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September 15, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-217
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Posted by: Down South | Sep 16 2023 12:04 utc | 197 ” iron “frameless” and arched hangars”
Any picture of what these look like? I looked at the links and didn’t see any pictures.
Posted by: ed5 | Sep 16 2023 12:24 utc | 401
Posted by: Down South | Sep 16 2023 12:04 utc | 197 ” iron “frameless” and arched hangars”
Any picture of what these look like? I looked at the links and didn’t see any pictures.
Posted by: ed5 | Sep 16 2023 12:24 utc | 402
https://t.me/milinfolive/106470
❗️Sergei Surovikin, former commander-in-chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces, was spotted in Algeria.
After the rebellion of Yevgeny Prigozhin, the general disappeared from view, but recently more and more photographs of his participation in various events have been leaked on social networks.
It is also known that Sergei Surovikin received a purely nominal position as Head of the CIS Coordination Committee on Air Defense Issues. However, according to rumors, he is now in charge of the African department.
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 16 2023 12:29 utc | 403
https://t.me/milinfolive/106470
❗️Sergei Surovikin, former commander-in-chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces, was spotted in Algeria.
After the rebellion of Yevgeny Prigozhin, the general disappeared from view, but recently more and more photographs of his participation in various events have been leaked on social networks.
It is also known that Sergei Surovikin received a purely nominal position as Head of the CIS Coordination Committee on Air Defense Issues. However, according to rumors, he is now in charge of the African department.
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 16 2023 12:29 utc | 404
90% of AFU grunts have been rolled over in the last 10-12 months.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 16 2023 9:44 utc | 177
That amounts, roughly, to a 20% casualty rate per month…
I would guess half of those dead half too injured to fight.
But seems a bit too high, at those rates you’d barely have a working army in 3-4 months. What we have seen so far looks more like a 8 month cycle
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 16 2023 12:32 utc | 405
90% of AFU grunts have been rolled over in the last 10-12 months.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 16 2023 9:44 utc | 177
That amounts, roughly, to a 20% casualty rate per month…
I would guess half of those dead half too injured to fight.
But seems a bit too high, at those rates you’d barely have a working army in 3-4 months. What we have seen so far looks more like a 8 month cycle
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 16 2023 12:32 utc | 406
… False reports, unfortunately, lead to poor decisions at many levels. This is there, let’s acknowledge it and fight it, otherwise there will be trouble.
Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2023 13:47 utc | 3
Good find. Let’s hope “Of course we can do without Wagner!” doesn’t turn out to be another falsehood in the service of narrow self interest.
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 16 2023 12:33 utc | 407
… False reports, unfortunately, lead to poor decisions at many levels. This is there, let’s acknowledge it and fight it, otherwise there will be trouble.
Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2023 13:47 utc | 3
Good find. Let’s hope “Of course we can do without Wagner!” doesn’t turn out to be another falsehood in the service of narrow self interest.
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 16 2023 12:33 utc | 408
Yes, Russian casualties are only relatively modest.
https://t.me/milinfolive/106468
❗️The mobilized will not return home until the end of the SVO, there will be no rotation – Kartapolov.
Mobilized Russians will leave the combat zone after the end of the special military operation (SVO) on the territory of Ukraine. This was stated by Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee Andrey Kartapolov in a conversation with Lenta.ru.
“They will return home after the end of the special military operation. No rotation is provided. They are entitled to leave for every six months served, they are now on these holidays,” the deputy called the term of return.
I see.
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 16 2023 12:40 utc | 409
Yes, Russian casualties are only relatively modest.
https://t.me/milinfolive/106468
❗️The mobilized will not return home until the end of the SVO, there will be no rotation – Kartapolov.
Mobilized Russians will leave the combat zone after the end of the special military operation (SVO) on the territory of Ukraine. This was stated by Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee Andrey Kartapolov in a conversation with Lenta.ru.
“They will return home after the end of the special military operation. No rotation is provided. They are entitled to leave for every six months served, they are now on these holidays,” the deputy called the term of return.
I see.
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 16 2023 12:40 utc | 410
So now we know North Korea has sent 500k troops to fight in Ukraine. Russia’s offensive starts next week with 350k Reserves.
How long before a peace deal is agreed to!!! Before the Polish Border or After is the right question!!!
Posted by: Peace | Sep 16 2023 12:54 utc | 411
So now we know North Korea has sent 500k troops to fight in Ukraine. Russia’s offensive starts next week with 350k Reserves.
How long before a peace deal is agreed to!!! Before the Polish Border or After is the right question!!!
Posted by: Peace | Sep 16 2023 12:54 utc | 412
England has been taken over by the political right wing, and it doesn’t give a monkeys about class , race or upbringing.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 16 2023 4:39 utc | 150
I’m not sure that labels of right and left have ever been particularly helpful but in the age of the uniparty they are meaningless. You may be correct about the indifference of the regime to class and upbringing but from where I’m standing I can see that they absolutely do care about race. They loathe the British peoples and more widely Europeans everywhere. Their vocabulary drips with it, their policies actuate it.
Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Sep 16 2023 13:03 utc | 413
England has been taken over by the political right wing, and it doesn’t give a monkeys about class , race or upbringing.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 16 2023 4:39 utc | 150
I’m not sure that labels of right and left have ever been particularly helpful but in the age of the uniparty they are meaningless. You may be correct about the indifference of the regime to class and upbringing but from where I’m standing I can see that they absolutely do care about race. They loathe the British peoples and more widely Europeans everywhere. Their vocabulary drips with it, their policies actuate it.
Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Sep 16 2023 13:03 utc | 414
Interesting some posters are supportive of being lied to by their own governments and media institutions on an industrial scale.
Beware he who denies you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 16 2023 13:09 utc | 415
Interesting some posters are supportive of being lied to by their own governments and media institutions on an industrial scale.
Beware he who denies you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 16 2023 13:09 utc | 416
@whirlX 184
I am quoting Marc Trachtenberg´s study “A Constructed Peace” from 1999:
“(…)
The Americans were capitalizing on their very heavy advantage in strategic
nuclear weapons and delivery systems, and this advantage lasted throughout
the Eisenhower period and into the Kennedy years. “There was a time in the
1950s,” according to General LeMay, the SAC commander during this period,
“when we could have won a war against Russia. It would have cost us essentially
the accident rate of the flying time,” because Soviet air defenses were so weak.
Eisenhower himself made a similar point in 1959. “If we were to release our nuclear
stockpile on the Soviet Union,” the president said, “the main danger would
arise not from retaliation but from fallout in the earth’s atmosphere.”
In keeping with standard bureaucratic practice, formal estimates were generally
a good deal more cautious, but even at the start of the 1960s, some of the people
most closely involved with these issues felt that the United States had something
close to a first-strike capability. When Carl Kaysen, then a top White House official,
analyzed the issue during the Berlin crisis in 1961, he reached the conclusion
that with a limited attack the United States could have destroyed the USSR’s ability
to inflict really heavy damage on America. And during the Cuban missile
crisis in 1962, a high Air Force general said that “if it came to a U.S. strike,” the
military authorities “could give a 90 percent assurance that 99 percent of the Soviet
nuclear force aimed at the United States would be destroyed before it could
get off the ground, or a 99 percent assurance that 90 percent would be destroyed.”
This calculation did not take into account either the damage that
would be inflicted by the nuclear forces under NATO command, nor the damage
that Europe would suffer through Soviet retaliation. But according to a major Defense
Department historical study, the Soviet strategic situation might well have
seemed “little short of desperate,” and a “coordinated U.S.-NATO first strike”
might have been able to destroy enough of the Soviet force targeted on the NATO
area “to negate the deterrent effect of hostage Europe.”(…)”.
The US in fact made insider jokes about how slow RU reaction time re: Bombers was.
The numbers of nuclear bombs – not differentiating strategic and non-strategic ratio (Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist):
YEAR / US / USSR
1945 / 2 / 0
1946 / 9 / 0
1947 / 13 / 0
1948 / 50 / 0
1949 / 170 / 1
1950 / 299 / 5
1951 / 438 / 25
1952 / 841 / 50
1953 / 1,169 / 120
1954 / 1,703 / 150
1955 / 2,422 / 200
1956 / 3,692 / 400
1957 / 5,543 / 650
1958 / 7,345 / 900
1959 / 12,298 / 1,050
1960 / 18,638 / 1,700
1961 / 22,229 / 2,450
Accordingly possible plans.
Examples from:
Canadian Dimension article (2016)
“From 1945-49 the US and UK planned to bomb Russia into the Stone Age”
& from New Left Review “Nuclear War Planning and Strategies of
Nuclear Coercion” by Donald MacKenzie, 1984
examples:
“When he took over the
Strategic Air Command, General LeMay prepared SAC Emergency War
Plan 1–49, involving ‘strikes on seventy Soviet urban target areas with
133 atomic bombs within thirty days’”
“The 1949 Dropshot plan envisaged that the US would attack Soviet Russia and
drop at least 300 nuclear bombs and 20,000 tons of conventional bombs on 200
targets in 100 urban areas, including Moscow and Leningrad (St. Petersburg). In
addition, the planners offered to kick off a major land campaign against the
USSR to win a “complete victory” over the Soviet Union together with the
European allies. According to the plan Washington would start the war on
January 1, 1957.”
“US’ Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP) 1960:
At first, the SIOP envisaged a massive simultaneous nuclear strike against the USSR’s
nuclear forces, military targets, cities, as well as against China and Eastern Europe. It was
planned that the US’ strategic forces would use almost 3,500 atomic warheads to bomb their
targets. According to US generals’ estimates, the attack could have resulted in the death of
about 285 to 425 million people. Some of the USSR’s European allies were meant to be
completely “wiped out.”
“We’re just going to have to wipe it [Albania] out,” US General Thomas Power remarked at
the 1960 SIOP planning conference”
* * *
As of now: The main danger is a computer error on any side. The RU detection systems are still an issue. And the RUs know this. Thats why they are concerned. And that´s why they talk about WMDs publicly while the smooth Americans don´t. That´s way they can call the RUs all kinds of things in public.
Or a hysterical reaction triggered e.g. by a British AWACS not almost but in fact shot down by an SU missile.
Those truly involved with nuclear forces are still sound enough to know what a launch would mean. Which doesn´t make me feel good. Just stating. Those are people you dont see or hear or read about.
Posted by: AG | Sep 16 2023 13:11 utc | 417
@whirlX 184
I am quoting Marc Trachtenberg´s study “A Constructed Peace” from 1999:
“(…)
The Americans were capitalizing on their very heavy advantage in strategic
nuclear weapons and delivery systems, and this advantage lasted throughout
the Eisenhower period and into the Kennedy years. “There was a time in the
1950s,” according to General LeMay, the SAC commander during this period,
“when we could have won a war against Russia. It would have cost us essentially
the accident rate of the flying time,” because Soviet air defenses were so weak.
Eisenhower himself made a similar point in 1959. “If we were to release our nuclear
stockpile on the Soviet Union,” the president said, “the main danger would
arise not from retaliation but from fallout in the earth’s atmosphere.”
In keeping with standard bureaucratic practice, formal estimates were generally
a good deal more cautious, but even at the start of the 1960s, some of the people
most closely involved with these issues felt that the United States had something
close to a first-strike capability. When Carl Kaysen, then a top White House official,
analyzed the issue during the Berlin crisis in 1961, he reached the conclusion
that with a limited attack the United States could have destroyed the USSR’s ability
to inflict really heavy damage on America. And during the Cuban missile
crisis in 1962, a high Air Force general said that “if it came to a U.S. strike,” the
military authorities “could give a 90 percent assurance that 99 percent of the Soviet
nuclear force aimed at the United States would be destroyed before it could
get off the ground, or a 99 percent assurance that 90 percent would be destroyed.”
This calculation did not take into account either the damage that
would be inflicted by the nuclear forces under NATO command, nor the damage
that Europe would suffer through Soviet retaliation. But according to a major Defense
Department historical study, the Soviet strategic situation might well have
seemed “little short of desperate,” and a “coordinated U.S.-NATO first strike”
might have been able to destroy enough of the Soviet force targeted on the NATO
area “to negate the deterrent effect of hostage Europe.”(…)”.
The US in fact made insider jokes about how slow RU reaction time re: Bombers was.
The numbers of nuclear bombs – not differentiating strategic and non-strategic ratio (Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist):
YEAR / US / USSR
1945 / 2 / 0
1946 / 9 / 0
1947 / 13 / 0
1948 / 50 / 0
1949 / 170 / 1
1950 / 299 / 5
1951 / 438 / 25
1952 / 841 / 50
1953 / 1,169 / 120
1954 / 1,703 / 150
1955 / 2,422 / 200
1956 / 3,692 / 400
1957 / 5,543 / 650
1958 / 7,345 / 900
1959 / 12,298 / 1,050
1960 / 18,638 / 1,700
1961 / 22,229 / 2,450
Accordingly possible plans.
Examples from:
Canadian Dimension article (2016)
“From 1945-49 the US and UK planned to bomb Russia into the Stone Age”
& from New Left Review “Nuclear War Planning and Strategies of
Nuclear Coercion” by Donald MacKenzie, 1984
examples:
“When he took over the
Strategic Air Command, General LeMay prepared SAC Emergency War
Plan 1–49, involving ‘strikes on seventy Soviet urban target areas with
133 atomic bombs within thirty days’”
“The 1949 Dropshot plan envisaged that the US would attack Soviet Russia and
drop at least 300 nuclear bombs and 20,000 tons of conventional bombs on 200
targets in 100 urban areas, including Moscow and Leningrad (St. Petersburg). In
addition, the planners offered to kick off a major land campaign against the
USSR to win a “complete victory” over the Soviet Union together with the
European allies. According to the plan Washington would start the war on
January 1, 1957.”
“US’ Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP) 1960:
At first, the SIOP envisaged a massive simultaneous nuclear strike against the USSR’s
nuclear forces, military targets, cities, as well as against China and Eastern Europe. It was
planned that the US’ strategic forces would use almost 3,500 atomic warheads to bomb their
targets. According to US generals’ estimates, the attack could have resulted in the death of
about 285 to 425 million people. Some of the USSR’s European allies were meant to be
completely “wiped out.”
“We’re just going to have to wipe it [Albania] out,” US General Thomas Power remarked at
the 1960 SIOP planning conference”
* * *
As of now: The main danger is a computer error on any side. The RU detection systems are still an issue. And the RUs know this. Thats why they are concerned. And that´s why they talk about WMDs publicly while the smooth Americans don´t. That´s way they can call the RUs all kinds of things in public.
Or a hysterical reaction triggered e.g. by a British AWACS not almost but in fact shot down by an SU missile.
Those truly involved with nuclear forces are still sound enough to know what a launch would mean. Which doesn´t make me feel good. Just stating. Those are people you dont see or hear or read about.
Posted by: AG | Sep 16 2023 13:11 utc | 418
(this is absolutely not Polish mainstream)
Posted by: nc | Sep 15 2023 14:51 utc | 10
That’s a PiS organ, funded in part or whole by the Act on the Institute of National Remembrance, as amended.
This is absolutely not Polish mainstream, dziennik-polityczny.
Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 16 2023 13:32 utc | 419
(this is absolutely not Polish mainstream)
Posted by: nc | Sep 15 2023 14:51 utc | 10
That’s a PiS organ, funded in part or whole by the Act on the Institute of National Remembrance, as amended.
This is absolutely not Polish mainstream, dziennik-polityczny.
Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 16 2023 13:32 utc | 420
Bolshevik propaganda. Bolsheviks in the US State Department supplied MASSIVE amounts of material and armaments to the Soviets. You can’t move smelters and fired furnaces. They did move machine tools and other fabrication and electrical equipment. All of the aluminum, steel, including armor plate, avgas, rubber, trucks, explosives, and a lot of the food came from the US.
Posted by: JackG | Sep 15 2023 16:42 utc | 27
What you don’t mention is that British lens-lease started arriving late in late 1941 but US deliveries didn’t arrive until mid 1942. By that time the Soviets nearly routed the Germans in front of Moscow and caused 750,000 casualties among Germany’s experienced front line soldiers that they never recovered from.
Despite “hosting” the war on their territory they managed to build MORE AFV than the USA did … and twice the number of artillery pieces and mortars.
Yes lend-lease helped shortened the war and saved lives in Russia and the Russians have acknoledged that and expressed their appreciation however without the Russians actually killing Germans the only way an American could set foot in Europe today would be on a tourist visa with a German phrase book.
Does the guy who supplies the shoe leather for football cleats get a superbowl ring? Does the grocery store that supplied half time snacks get to hold the trophy? Yet you thing the USA should get credit for the Soviets victory over Germany … pathetic.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 16 2023 13:39 utc | 421
Bolshevik propaganda. Bolsheviks in the US State Department supplied MASSIVE amounts of material and armaments to the Soviets. You can’t move smelters and fired furnaces. They did move machine tools and other fabrication and electrical equipment. All of the aluminum, steel, including armor plate, avgas, rubber, trucks, explosives, and a lot of the food came from the US.
Posted by: JackG | Sep 15 2023 16:42 utc | 27
What you don’t mention is that British lens-lease started arriving late in late 1941 but US deliveries didn’t arrive until mid 1942. By that time the Soviets nearly routed the Germans in front of Moscow and caused 750,000 casualties among Germany’s experienced front line soldiers that they never recovered from.
Despite “hosting” the war on their territory they managed to build MORE AFV than the USA did … and twice the number of artillery pieces and mortars.
Yes lend-lease helped shortened the war and saved lives in Russia and the Russians have acknoledged that and expressed their appreciation however without the Russians actually killing Germans the only way an American could set foot in Europe today would be on a tourist visa with a German phrase book.
Does the guy who supplies the shoe leather for football cleats get a superbowl ring? Does the grocery store that supplied half time snacks get to hold the trophy? Yet you thing the USA should get credit for the Soviets victory over Germany … pathetic.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 16 2023 13:39 utc | 422
#104 observer……sir it is you who really have to see doctor ASAP …is it you who got psychiatric problems..good luck
#104 observer……sir it is you who really have to see doctor ASAP …is it you who got psychiatric problems..good luck
Regarding Z’s threats against Europe, is anyone surprised? It was obvious, if you believed that Ukraine was being used by the filth in London and Washington to fight their cousins, that the Ukrainians would get very very angry with the situation the West lead them into. Banderites aside the ordinary people of Ukraine have been shafted. Like many of Washington s’ friends.
Posted by: Judge Barbier | Sep 16 2023 14:07 utc | 425
Regarding Z’s threats against Europe, is anyone surprised? It was obvious, if you believed that Ukraine was being used by the filth in London and Washington to fight their cousins, that the Ukrainians would get very very angry with the situation the West lead them into. Banderites aside the ordinary people of Ukraine have been shafted. Like many of Washington s’ friends.
Posted by: Judge Barbier | Sep 16 2023 14:07 utc | 426
Psychology describes it as human retribution or revenge for previously being a c**t to someone else.
Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 4:52 utc | 153
I disagree. I bid indoctrination in the Abrahamic faiths for $500.
Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 16 2023 14:17 utc | 427
Psychology describes it as human retribution or revenge for previously being a c**t to someone else.
Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 4:52 utc | 153
I disagree. I bid indoctrination in the Abrahamic faiths for $500.
Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 16 2023 14:17 utc | 428
It seems that Azerbaijan has got a green light from USA to attack Armenia.
Another humiliation of Russia.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 16 2023 14:52 utc | 429
It seems that Azerbaijan has got a green light from USA to attack Armenia.
Another humiliation of Russia.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 16 2023 14:52 utc | 430
At least the “Anglo-American elites and their vassals” are not starving their own citizens. How’s that propaganda kool-aid taste, sport?
Posted by: Observer | Sep 16 2023 1:56 utc | 134
From the propaganda you vomit, you know this taste well.
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 16 2023 2:04 utc | 136
Follow up to my previous stuff in Finland. Stora Enso’s Pulp Mill that they are closing employs 240 full time jobs. Many more jobs in other mills and ancillary industries to go. Coke-snorting, bum-warming Finland Politicians are sanctioning and greening themselves into a local revolution. Creating despair in Northern Climates always ends in disaster for ignorant Politicians.
And the rest of Europe? Slip, sliding back to the Dark Ages. Daddy, why do you sanction me?
Posted by: kupkee | Sep 16 2023 14:54 utc | 431
At least the “Anglo-American elites and their vassals” are not starving their own citizens. How’s that propaganda kool-aid taste, sport?
Posted by: Observer | Sep 16 2023 1:56 utc | 134
From the propaganda you vomit, you know this taste well.
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 16 2023 2:04 utc | 136
Follow up to my previous stuff in Finland. Stora Enso’s Pulp Mill that they are closing employs 240 full time jobs. Many more jobs in other mills and ancillary industries to go. Coke-snorting, bum-warming Finland Politicians are sanctioning and greening themselves into a local revolution. Creating despair in Northern Climates always ends in disaster for ignorant Politicians.
And the rest of Europe? Slip, sliding back to the Dark Ages. Daddy, why do you sanction me?
Posted by: kupkee | Sep 16 2023 14:54 utc | 432
And now if I type “moonofalabama” in google it is not finding this site any more.
The Western censorship is tighter and tighter, as they are escalating.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 16 2023 15:08 utc | 433
And now if I type “moonofalabama” in google it is not finding this site any more.
The Western censorship is tighter and tighter, as they are escalating.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 16 2023 15:08 utc | 434
EU has now banned Russian registered cars from moving into or within the bloc. They may confiscate the cars and possessions of Russian citizens.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 18:29 utc | 47
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The guidelines also urge national authorities to make sure that a long list of “personal products” that originate in Russia do not come into the bloc.
The list includes commonplace objects, such as razor blades, dental floss, deodorants, soap, clothes and footwear, but also numerous items that could potentially have a military application, like pneumatic tires, radio systems and electric generators.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/09/11/dont-let-russian-cars-enter-eu-territory-brussels-tells-member-states
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Dental floss and razor blades as weapons of war?
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 16 2023 15:09 utc | 435
EU has now banned Russian registered cars from moving into or within the bloc. They may confiscate the cars and possessions of Russian citizens.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 18:29 utc | 47
——————————————————–
The guidelines also urge national authorities to make sure that a long list of “personal products” that originate in Russia do not come into the bloc.
The list includes commonplace objects, such as razor blades, dental floss, deodorants, soap, clothes and footwear, but also numerous items that could potentially have a military application, like pneumatic tires, radio systems and electric generators.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/09/11/dont-let-russian-cars-enter-eu-territory-brussels-tells-member-states
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Dental floss and razor blades as weapons of war?
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 16 2023 15:09 utc | 436
@ SCCC 128
“Think about the actual dismemberment of a bureaucratic behemoth like the EU. How many collective and sovereign laws and parliamentary agreements hold it together? They would all need multiple parliamentary undoing to be annulled.”
I think the EU could be ended in one swoop, simply by announcing the Lisbon Treaty is invalid, as it wasn’t based on democratic referendums. Fake treaty, fake bureaucracy. No tax payments going in or out, lots of empty buildings in Brussels. One simple nullification.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 16 2023 15:12 utc | 437
@ SCCC 128
“Think about the actual dismemberment of a bureaucratic behemoth like the EU. How many collective and sovereign laws and parliamentary agreements hold it together? They would all need multiple parliamentary undoing to be annulled.”
I think the EU could be ended in one swoop, simply by announcing the Lisbon Treaty is invalid, as it wasn’t based on democratic referendums. Fake treaty, fake bureaucracy. No tax payments going in or out, lots of empty buildings in Brussels. One simple nullification.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 16 2023 15:12 utc | 438
@ LightYearsFromHome, §193:
Clearly the EU under Ursula von der Lying, is a malignant colonial would-be superpower, no different from the Europeans that carved up Africa in the 19th century. Why any of the EU´s 27 nations listens to Brussels any more baffles me.
Stop all payments to the Brussels bloated bureaucracy and carry on. The only ones complaining will be the Brussels bureaucrats: everyone else, everywhere, will be celebrating.
Posted by: John Marks | Sep 16 2023 15:12 utc | 439
@ LightYearsFromHome, §193:
Clearly the EU under Ursula von der Lying, is a malignant colonial would-be superpower, no different from the Europeans that carved up Africa in the 19th century. Why any of the EU´s 27 nations listens to Brussels any more baffles me.
Stop all payments to the Brussels bloated bureaucracy and carry on. The only ones complaining will be the Brussels bureaucrats: everyone else, everywhere, will be celebrating.
Posted by: John Marks | Sep 16 2023 15:12 utc | 440
Posted by: simplex | Sep 16 2023 14:52 utc | 215
Best go home, son. You’ve pissed in yur own pants again…
Posted by: irish al | Sep 16 2023 15:13 utc | 441
Posted by: simplex | Sep 16 2023 14:52 utc | 215
Best go home, son. You’ve pissed in yur own pants again…
Posted by: irish al | Sep 16 2023 15:13 utc | 442
“…At least the “Anglo-American elites and their vassals” are not starving their own citizens….”
Observer@134
Of course they aren’t they are attempting to starve Cuba’s citizens and North Korea’s, and Iran’s and now they are starting on Russia, which they starved through the 1920s and ’30s again.
Starving other countries, through sanctions and embargoes, blockades and piracy has been a central part of US policy for more than a century.
It works best when they can persuade morons to blame these economic attacks on the victims- as in “Saddam starved 200,000 kids to death by refusing to obey Madeleine Albright” , or “Milosevic made NATO bomb Belgrade by refusing to allow them to dismember his country…”etc.
Posted by: bevin | Sep 16 2023 15:13 utc | 443
“…At least the “Anglo-American elites and their vassals” are not starving their own citizens….”
Observer@134
Of course they aren’t they are attempting to starve Cuba’s citizens and North Korea’s, and Iran’s and now they are starting on Russia, which they starved through the 1920s and ’30s again.
Starving other countries, through sanctions and embargoes, blockades and piracy has been a central part of US policy for more than a century.
It works best when they can persuade morons to blame these economic attacks on the victims- as in “Saddam starved 200,000 kids to death by refusing to obey Madeleine Albright” , or “Milosevic made NATO bomb Belgrade by refusing to allow them to dismember his country…”etc.
Posted by: bevin | Sep 16 2023 15:13 utc | 444
RE: Posted by: bevin | Sep 16 2023 15:13 utc | 222
Let’s not leave out: Yemen, Libya,Afghanistan, Syria,Mali, Myranmar, Lebanon, Ethiopia, Haiti and others…
It’s list of “allies” grows thin..
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 16 2023 15:39 utc | 445
RE: Posted by: bevin | Sep 16 2023 15:13 utc | 222
Let’s not leave out: Yemen, Libya,Afghanistan, Syria,Mali, Myranmar, Lebanon, Ethiopia, Haiti and others…
It’s list of “allies” grows thin..
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 16 2023 15:39 utc | 446
Bolsheviks in the US State Department”
Posted by: JackG | Sep 15 2023 16:42 utc | 27
Oh dear Lord fuck off.
Posted by: Tichy | Sep 16 2023 15:40 utc | 447
Bolsheviks in the US State Department”
Posted by: JackG | Sep 15 2023 16:42 utc | 27
Oh dear Lord fuck off.
Posted by: Tichy | Sep 16 2023 15:40 utc | 448
John Marks @ 220
Stop all payments to the Brussels bloated bureaucracy and carry on. The only ones complaining will be the Brussels bureaucrats: everyone else, everywhere, will be celebrating.
With the exception of Mick Wallace and Clare Daly all the has-beens and wash-outs of local and national European politics get sent to sinecures in the EU parliament. It’s a feature not bug. What you hope for won’t happen.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2023 15:41 utc | 449
John Marks @ 220
Stop all payments to the Brussels bloated bureaucracy and carry on. The only ones complaining will be the Brussels bureaucrats: everyone else, everywhere, will be celebrating.
With the exception of Mick Wallace and Clare Daly all the has-beens and wash-outs of local and national European politics get sent to sinecures in the EU parliament. It’s a feature not bug. What you hope for won’t happen.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2023 15:41 utc | 450
@simplex | Sep 16 2023 15:08 utc | 217
And now if I type “moonofalabama” in google it is not finding this site any more.
The Western censorship is tighter and tighter, as they are escalating.
https://search.brave.com/
https://yandex.com/
https://lazyweb.ai/
https://www.qwant.com/
etc.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 16 2023 15:44 utc | 451
@simplex | Sep 16 2023 15:08 utc | 217
And now if I type “moonofalabama” in google it is not finding this site any more.
The Western censorship is tighter and tighter, as they are escalating.
https://search.brave.com/
https://yandex.com/
https://lazyweb.ai/
https://www.qwant.com/
etc.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 16 2023 15:44 utc | 452
Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 16 2023 9:52 utc | 179
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@ghiwen,
Maybe stop being butthurt?
Acco
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It’s pretty rough and tumble here. I don’t think too many object to it.
Posted by: SCCC | Sep 15 2023 23:26 utc | 317
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Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 14:43 utc | 298
b kindly requests that we do not attack each other. You have a comprehension or disrespect issue.
The starting point of this conversation was the cost of 152 mm vs 155 mm artillery rounds…
the starting point is quite right – BUT where in your 203-post did you mention this, did you address it ?
comprehension issue??? Did you think that your 203-post helps to further the “starting point”?
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Is it too far fetched to expect a mystery explosion occurring on a US attack sub inside one of their dry docks?
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2023 15:45 utc | 35
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Yes it is. Next question.
Not too far fetched is an accidental small fire that is so expensive to fic that the ship lies docked in the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard VA. When I get too close with my boat one or two US Navy patrol boats chase me off. Same with seagoing NAVY of the Norfolk Naval base, further North, protected by floating nets from the Elizabeth River threats.
Anything nuclear gets very tight security. It would be on par with the US NS2 escapade.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 3:04 utc | 203
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Why not just compare the cost of a Western 155 mm round to a Russian 155 mm one like a normal person would?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 15 2023 2:32 utc | 198
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The West pretty much use 155 mm, except for the Challenger 2, which has a rifled bore for 120 mm. That design is pretty much antique.
The Russkies and friends use 152 mm, smoothbore. Smoothbore, popular on both sides packs a bigger punch.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 3:22 utc | 204
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Russia has state industries. Skip the multi-layer middleman markups. Skip the lengthy RFI, RFP procurement process and all those layers of government bureaucracy.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 3:33 utc | 206
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instead you tried to say something about different calibers
AND further muddle the waters by mixing artillery and tanks
where should the respect come from for people who spread such obvious false information (intentionally or out of stupidity)?
b also kindly requests that we “Contribute facts”
Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 16 2023 9:52 utc | 179
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Fact: The cost of weaponse procurement cf. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 3:33 utc | 206
The starting point of this conversation was the cost of 152 mm vs 155 mm artillery rounds.
Having traversed the Aberdeen Proving Grounds when they still had their tank collection and on display some time ago was educational.
Russia has state industries although it also relies on the private sector weapons procurement. This cuts out the middleman with multiple layers of margin markup. US and Western procurement relies on RFI, RFP, proposals in need of evaluation (tech prop, cost prop), award by contract, protest, negotiations with the losers and buyout), IV&V for compliance with contract and the submission of compliance, completion and other documents.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 14:43 utc | 298
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 16 2023 15:46 utc | 453
Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 16 2023 9:52 utc | 179
————————————————-
@ghiwen,
Maybe stop being butthurt?
Acco
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It’s pretty rough and tumble here. I don’t think too many object to it.
Posted by: SCCC | Sep 15 2023 23:26 utc | 317
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Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 14:43 utc | 298
b kindly requests that we do not attack each other. You have a comprehension or disrespect issue.
The starting point of this conversation was the cost of 152 mm vs 155 mm artillery rounds…
the starting point is quite right – BUT where in your 203-post did you mention this, did you address it ?
comprehension issue??? Did you think that your 203-post helps to further the “starting point”?
==================================================================
Is it too far fetched to expect a mystery explosion occurring on a US attack sub inside one of their dry docks?
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2023 15:45 utc | 35
——————————————————-
Yes it is. Next question.
Not too far fetched is an accidental small fire that is so expensive to fic that the ship lies docked in the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard VA. When I get too close with my boat one or two US Navy patrol boats chase me off. Same with seagoing NAVY of the Norfolk Naval base, further North, protected by floating nets from the Elizabeth River threats.
Anything nuclear gets very tight security. It would be on par with the US NS2 escapade.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 3:04 utc | 203
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Why not just compare the cost of a Western 155 mm round to a Russian 155 mm one like a normal person would?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 15 2023 2:32 utc | 198
———————————————————-
The West pretty much use 155 mm, except for the Challenger 2, which has a rifled bore for 120 mm. That design is pretty much antique.
The Russkies and friends use 152 mm, smoothbore. Smoothbore, popular on both sides packs a bigger punch.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 3:22 utc | 204
—————————————-
Russia has state industries. Skip the multi-layer middleman markups. Skip the lengthy RFI, RFP procurement process and all those layers of government bureaucracy.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 3:33 utc | 206
====================================================================
instead you tried to say something about different calibers
AND further muddle the waters by mixing artillery and tanks
where should the respect come from for people who spread such obvious false information (intentionally or out of stupidity)?
b also kindly requests that we “Contribute facts”
Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 16 2023 9:52 utc | 179
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Fact: The cost of weaponse procurement cf. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 3:33 utc | 206
The starting point of this conversation was the cost of 152 mm vs 155 mm artillery rounds.
Having traversed the Aberdeen Proving Grounds when they still had their tank collection and on display some time ago was educational.
Russia has state industries although it also relies on the private sector weapons procurement. This cuts out the middleman with multiple layers of margin markup. US and Western procurement relies on RFI, RFP, proposals in need of evaluation (tech prop, cost prop), award by contract, protest, negotiations with the losers and buyout), IV&V for compliance with contract and the submission of compliance, completion and other documents.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 14:43 utc | 298
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 16 2023 15:46 utc | 454
At least the “Anglo-American elites and their vassals” are not starving their own citizens…
bevin @ 222
Of course they aren’t they are attempting to starve…
Sorry to both of you but last I looked back around 2010 and before Covid one in ten Americans was on food stamps, probably worse now. They are starving everyone.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2023 15:47 utc | 455
At least the “Anglo-American elites and their vassals” are not starving their own citizens…
bevin @ 222
Of course they aren’t they are attempting to starve…
Sorry to both of you but last I looked back around 2010 and before Covid one in ten Americans was on food stamps, probably worse now. They are starving everyone.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2023 15:47 utc | 456
Posted by: Peace | Sep 16 2023 12:54 utc | 206
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While we have the usual suspects who bitch and moan about Russian losses and attacks inside of Russia they are overlooking what a valuable and unique opportunity the SMO provides.
I think there is little doubt today that Russia has the best ground forces in the world because they have seen action and have evidence to back the claim up.
Not that I think war is imminent for NK, yet getting their troops blooded, testing out doctrines, weapons, sharpening training, it’s all stuff that cannot be simulated, and it is a boon for the NK government to hype up the domestic military as warriors capable of going to battle with the West.
Simulations can have value as a mental exercise and to discover obvious flaws in methodology, but time on task and muscle memory are essential to anything in the kinetic and tangible world. And it cannot be substituted for.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 16 2023 15:53 utc | 457
Posted by: Peace | Sep 16 2023 12:54 utc | 206
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While we have the usual suspects who bitch and moan about Russian losses and attacks inside of Russia they are overlooking what a valuable and unique opportunity the SMO provides.
I think there is little doubt today that Russia has the best ground forces in the world because they have seen action and have evidence to back the claim up.
Not that I think war is imminent for NK, yet getting their troops blooded, testing out doctrines, weapons, sharpening training, it’s all stuff that cannot be simulated, and it is a boon for the NK government to hype up the domestic military as warriors capable of going to battle with the West.
Simulations can have value as a mental exercise and to discover obvious flaws in methodology, but time on task and muscle memory are essential to anything in the kinetic and tangible world. And it cannot be substituted for.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 16 2023 15:53 utc | 458
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2023 15:47 utc | 228
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The lack of dietary literacy and the abundance of low nutrient foods are starving people worse, and creating habits and food addictions.
Money, in the West, is less of an issue when it comes to eating, IMO. It’s what one can buy and knows is good/bad for them.
The propaganda machine that told us fat was bad (successfully for generations) is so powerful. What people put into their minds is more important than what they put into their mouths, and what they put into their mouths is crucial.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 16 2023 15:56 utc | 459
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2023 15:47 utc | 228
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The lack of dietary literacy and the abundance of low nutrient foods are starving people worse, and creating habits and food addictions.
Money, in the West, is less of an issue when it comes to eating, IMO. It’s what one can buy and knows is good/bad for them.
The propaganda machine that told us fat was bad (successfully for generations) is so powerful. What people put into their minds is more important than what they put into their mouths, and what they put into their mouths is crucial.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 16 2023 15:56 utc | 460
And now if I type “moonofalabama” in google it is not finding this site any more.
The Western censorship is tighter and tighter, as they are escalating.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 16 2023 15:08 utc | 217
Credit where credit’s due: You’ve finally made a worthwhile comment.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 16 2023 15:58 utc | 461
And now if I type “moonofalabama” in google it is not finding this site any more.
The Western censorship is tighter and tighter, as they are escalating.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 16 2023 15:08 utc | 217
Credit where credit’s due: You’ve finally made a worthwhile comment.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 16 2023 15:58 utc | 462
reply to 215
I doubt that the US has done that but if so, why should Russia care? Armenia flirts with NATO and the US and criticizes Russia endlessly. Russia has good relations with Azerbaijan.
You would think a nation that has suffered genocide – and observed Ukraine would show good sense and care for its people – but why should it? National suicide seems like meme these days. Why be different?
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 16 2023 15:59 utc | 463
reply to 215
I doubt that the US has done that but if so, why should Russia care? Armenia flirts with NATO and the US and criticizes Russia endlessly. Russia has good relations with Azerbaijan.
You would think a nation that has suffered genocide – and observed Ukraine would show good sense and care for its people – but why should it? National suicide seems like meme these days. Why be different?
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 16 2023 15:59 utc | 464
Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 16 2023 13:39 utc | 211
“What you don’t mention is that British lens-lease started arriving late in late 1941 but US deliveries didn’t arrive until mid 1942.”
Agree with you and your refutation of JackG. But wasn’t Lend Lease motivated mainly by the desire to weaken both Germany and the USSR? Then-Senator Harry S Truman made a speech around 1941 saying “If the Germans are winning we should help the Russians, and if the Russians are winning we should help the Germans.” In most of 1941-42 it appeared that the Germans, who hadn’t been defeated anywhere in Europe, would most likely defeat the retreating Soviets. After all, the Russian military was humiliated in WWI and the country had only recently begun to industrialize. I vaguely recall reading something by Chomsky to the effect that State Department documents from around 1941-42 show it anticipated a German victory over the USSR and it was okay with that. But it undoubtedly preferred to deal with a weakened Germany, and Lend Lease advanced that aim.
I’m no historian so maybe someone can shed more light on this.
Posted by: Mouse | Sep 16 2023 16:08 utc | 465
Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 16 2023 13:39 utc | 211
“What you don’t mention is that British lens-lease started arriving late in late 1941 but US deliveries didn’t arrive until mid 1942.”
Agree with you and your refutation of JackG. But wasn’t Lend Lease motivated mainly by the desire to weaken both Germany and the USSR? Then-Senator Harry S Truman made a speech around 1941 saying “If the Germans are winning we should help the Russians, and if the Russians are winning we should help the Germans.” In most of 1941-42 it appeared that the Germans, who hadn’t been defeated anywhere in Europe, would most likely defeat the retreating Soviets. After all, the Russian military was humiliated in WWI and the country had only recently begun to industrialize. I vaguely recall reading something by Chomsky to the effect that State Department documents from around 1941-42 show it anticipated a German victory over the USSR and it was okay with that. But it undoubtedly preferred to deal with a weakened Germany, and Lend Lease advanced that aim.
I’m no historian so maybe someone can shed more light on this.
Posted by: Mouse | Sep 16 2023 16:08 utc | 466
@sln2002/210
sln2002 – by publishing false content, you lose credibility
If PIS financed SMP (Association of Polish Marxists),PIS it would have collapsed by now.
every source contributes something – even the mainstream. Just observe what they write and how they write. Because reality cannot be falsified indefinitely. If you read every day for three weeks that they captured Robotyne, you already that it’s not going their way. It is good to use multiple sources – then you can balance what is really true.
Posted by: nc | Sep 16 2023 16:09 utc | 467
@sln2002/210
sln2002 – by publishing false content, you lose credibility
If PIS financed SMP (Association of Polish Marxists),PIS it would have collapsed by now.
every source contributes something – even the mainstream. Just observe what they write and how they write. Because reality cannot be falsified indefinitely. If you read every day for three weeks that they captured Robotyne, you already that it’s not going their way. It is good to use multiple sources – then you can balance what is really true.
Posted by: nc | Sep 16 2023 16:09 utc | 468
FWIW I just went to google.com on my android phone and typed in moon over alabama and the site popped right up.
Not that I use google much; but must say that censorship and skewing aside, its search capability (its original raison d’etre) is very good. But of course not for non-narrative material.
Posted by: Dogtired | Sep 16 2023 16:21 utc | 469
FWIW I just went to google.com on my android phone and typed in moon over alabama and the site popped right up.
Not that I use google much; but must say that censorship and skewing aside, its search capability (its original raison d’etre) is very good. But of course not for non-narrative material.
Posted by: Dogtired | Sep 16 2023 16:21 utc | 470
@bevin34. Problem is your consensus has been reached with more than the scientific method.
A for alarmism
B for blackmail
C for corruption
D for deception
E for empire
F for forged
Belief is a curious thing
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 16 2023 16:23 utc | 471
@bevin34. Problem is your consensus has been reached with more than the scientific method.
A for alarmism
B for blackmail
C for corruption
D for deception
E for empire
F for forged
Belief is a curious thing
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 16 2023 16:23 utc | 472
simplex @ 215
It seems that Azerbaijan has got a green light from USA to attack Armenia.
… Armenia, whose military the US is training. Glad at least you have it figured out.
On a more evolved note I think Christoforou got it right, Pashinyan is selling out the country, the latest tensions are USA orchestrated kayfabe, Pashinyan will cede Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan, once that sticky wicket is out of the way Armenia is technically capable to join the EU and NATO. The good part is there will be no war, maybe some skirmishes to sell the story to the Armenian people.
And yes, it does suck for Russia. Sucks for Iran as they get locked out the Caucuses. Not sure what Russia can do about it but I don’t think Iran will stand for it, but Armenia is supposedly an ally and Iran would need to be invited to protect it, though I guess it could just invade Nagorno-Karabakh.
Erdogan is calling for a meeting of all involved including Russia, hopefully he has some sense and it isn’t a set up by Turkiye, the USA, and Israel but an intelligent attempt to keep the USA out of the Caucuses and the Caspian. Makes Game of Thrones child’s play.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2023 16:34 utc | 473
simplex @ 215
It seems that Azerbaijan has got a green light from USA to attack Armenia.
… Armenia, whose military the US is training. Glad at least you have it figured out.
On a more evolved note I think Christoforou got it right, Pashinyan is selling out the country, the latest tensions are USA orchestrated kayfabe, Pashinyan will cede Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan, once that sticky wicket is out of the way Armenia is technically capable to join the EU and NATO. The good part is there will be no war, maybe some skirmishes to sell the story to the Armenian people.
And yes, it does suck for Russia. Sucks for Iran as they get locked out the Caucuses. Not sure what Russia can do about it but I don’t think Iran will stand for it, but Armenia is supposedly an ally and Iran would need to be invited to protect it, though I guess it could just invade Nagorno-Karabakh.
Erdogan is calling for a meeting of all involved including Russia, hopefully he has some sense and it isn’t a set up by Turkiye, the USA, and Israel but an intelligent attempt to keep the USA out of the Caucuses and the Caspian. Makes Game of Thrones child’s play.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2023 16:34 utc | 474
Posted by: Dogtired | Sep 16 2023 16:21 utc | 235
Doesn’t for me using firebase and google search engine. Even though I visit it regulary. So it’s clearly blacklisted somehow.
Posted by: rageman | Sep 16 2023 16:34 utc | 475
Posted by: Dogtired | Sep 16 2023 16:21 utc | 235
Doesn’t for me using firebase and google search engine. Even though I visit it regulary. So it’s clearly blacklisted somehow.
Posted by: rageman | Sep 16 2023 16:34 utc | 476
RE: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2023 16:34 utc | 237
Last I read, Pashinyan had a 17% approval rating in his country. Russia probably hopes to wait him out and let him ruin himself more.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 16 2023 16:45 utc | 477
RE: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2023 16:34 utc | 237
Last I read, Pashinyan had a 17% approval rating in his country. Russia probably hopes to wait him out and let him ruin himself more.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 16 2023 16:45 utc | 478
@Dogtired 238
I can confirm. Google on android, actually, so not show this site as first entry as it used yesterday. The site is not banned but clearly something happened with the ranking of Google.
Posted by: Mario | Sep 16 2023 16:48 utc | 479
@Dogtired 238
I can confirm. Google on android, actually, so not show this site as first entry as it used yesterday. The site is not banned but clearly something happened with the ranking of Google.
Posted by: Mario | Sep 16 2023 16:48 utc | 480
sln2002 – by publishing false content, you lose credibility. If PIS financed SMP (Association of Polish Marxists),PIS it would have collapsed by now.
Posted by: nc | Sep 16 2023 16:09 utc | 234
lolwut.
You, not me, are the one who wants to establish a bar between “mainstream” media and the rest. I couldn’t help but question your overweening attention to one academic institution evidently not dedicated to uhhh Poland’s transformation from “communist” to “marxist” political economy, but to critiques of military industrial output in the Russian Federation. That nomination is not unlike putting the LSE on a pedestal around which tory pederasty flows.
Not to mention, PiS’s uhh difficulties establishing the legitimacy of its righteous indignation and independence from Ukraine, Germany, the former-USSR, US foreign direct investment (FDI)
[…]
RATAJCZAK: What sells well in Poland, Europe, or the European Union many not be welcomed with enthusiasm for entry to the US market and, subsequently accelerate its business after its registration in Nevada [!].
LACHERT: And why is Nevada a good place? Can this state become a kind of gateway for Poles to enter the entire US market? Is there anything particualarly attractive in Nevada for entrepreneurs or specific industries?
RATAJCZAK: We have been cooperating with Nevada for a few years. Specifically, we have been working with institutions committed to supporting entrepreneurship in Nevada. We believe that Nevada offers an optimal ecosystem [!] for supporting innovation and entrepreneurship. As an illustration, Nevada borders with California [!] and, in recent years, many companies native to California have migrated to Nevada for economic reasons an because of its friendly [income] tax system and support for entrepreneurship.
[…]
Teh Tusk, and the European Commission’s infringement assessments.
Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 16 2023 16:56 utc | 481
sln2002 – by publishing false content, you lose credibility. If PIS financed SMP (Association of Polish Marxists),PIS it would have collapsed by now.
Posted by: nc | Sep 16 2023 16:09 utc | 234
lolwut.
You, not me, are the one who wants to establish a bar between “mainstream” media and the rest. I couldn’t help but question your overweening attention to one academic institution evidently not dedicated to uhhh Poland’s transformation from “communist” to “marxist” political economy, but to critiques of military industrial output in the Russian Federation. That nomination is not unlike putting the LSE on a pedestal around which tory pederasty flows.
Not to mention, PiS’s uhh difficulties establishing the legitimacy of its righteous indignation and independence from Ukraine, Germany, the former-USSR, US foreign direct investment (FDI)
[…]
RATAJCZAK: What sells well in Poland, Europe, or the European Union many not be welcomed with enthusiasm for entry to the US market and, subsequently accelerate its business after its registration in Nevada [!].
LACHERT: And why is Nevada a good place? Can this state become a kind of gateway for Poles to enter the entire US market? Is there anything particualarly attractive in Nevada for entrepreneurs or specific industries?
RATAJCZAK: We have been cooperating with Nevada for a few years. Specifically, we have been working with institutions committed to supporting entrepreneurship in Nevada. We believe that Nevada offers an optimal ecosystem [!] for supporting innovation and entrepreneurship. As an illustration, Nevada borders with California [!] and, in recent years, many companies native to California have migrated to Nevada for economic reasons an because of its friendly [income] tax system and support for entrepreneurship.
[…]
Teh Tusk, and the European Commission’s infringement assessments.
Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 16 2023 16:56 utc | 482
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2023 16:34 utc | 237
This is ridiculous. Nagorno-Karabakh is already part of Azerbaijan, so Azerbaijan can’t “invade” it. But it has an autonomous status for the ethnic Armenians, and many of the Azerbaijanis were ethnically cleansed in the 1990s. But Azerbaijan has a perfect right to control it, contested by Armenia.
Posted by: laguerre | Sep 16 2023 16:57 utc | 483
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2023 16:34 utc | 237
This is ridiculous. Nagorno-Karabakh is already part of Azerbaijan, so Azerbaijan can’t “invade” it. But it has an autonomous status for the ethnic Armenians, and many of the Azerbaijanis were ethnically cleansed in the 1990s. But Azerbaijan has a perfect right to control it, contested by Armenia.
Posted by: laguerre | Sep 16 2023 16:57 utc | 484
Brief note on calibers.
Western MBT guns:
– 120mm smoothbore, mainstay;
– 120mm rifled, british holdover;
– 105mm rifled, obsolete/niche.
Western tube artillery:
– 155mm rifled, mainstay;
– 105mm rifled, obsolete/niche.
Russian MBT guns:
125mm smoothbore, mainstay;
115mm smoothbore, obsolete;
100mm rifled, obsolete.
Russian tube artillery:
152mm rifled, mainstay;
122mm rifled, sort of obsolete;
203mm rifled, supposedly obsolete but not on my book;
240mm smoothbore mortar, see above.
Posted by: Satepestage | Sep 16 2023 17:06 utc | 485
Brief note on calibers.
Western MBT guns:
– 120mm smoothbore, mainstay;
– 120mm rifled, british holdover;
– 105mm rifled, obsolete/niche.
Western tube artillery:
– 155mm rifled, mainstay;
– 105mm rifled, obsolete/niche.
Russian MBT guns:
125mm smoothbore, mainstay;
115mm smoothbore, obsolete;
100mm rifled, obsolete.
Russian tube artillery:
152mm rifled, mainstay;
122mm rifled, sort of obsolete;
203mm rifled, supposedly obsolete but not on my book;
240mm smoothbore mortar, see above.
Posted by: Satepestage | Sep 16 2023 17:06 utc | 486
@Acco Hengst 227
Could you possibly go more into the differences between the US MIC and the RU MIC? Or suggest some source?
You describe them shorthand like someone who knows the RU side much better than I do.
It was said here that in contrast to the US the RU complex is under state control und thus works more efficiently. But what about arms trade and the R&D of those arms products that are being sold?
After all RU is big too in that space.
On the other hand NATO offers a closed market for the US goods.
Would that mean US products are potentially worse or better?
And what about the RU owners/oligarchs/multis who are the players in the RU MIC?
Posted by: AG | Sep 16 2023 17:07 utc | 487
@Acco Hengst 227
Could you possibly go more into the differences between the US MIC and the RU MIC? Or suggest some source?
You describe them shorthand like someone who knows the RU side much better than I do.
It was said here that in contrast to the US the RU complex is under state control und thus works more efficiently. But what about arms trade and the R&D of those arms products that are being sold?
After all RU is big too in that space.
On the other hand NATO offers a closed market for the US goods.
Would that mean US products are potentially worse or better?
And what about the RU owners/oligarchs/multis who are the players in the RU MIC?
Posted by: AG | Sep 16 2023 17:07 utc | 488
Oh that’s funny. I very nearly typed in a line that said “…and that includes Mearshiemer…” (as a Putin hater).
Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 5:08 utc | 154
My god, you have to be a stupid moronic American. Hater? What a fracking low class. Why would he hate Putin? He is a serious scientist. He’s got his theories. Only fuckups like you can hate someone so remote.
Posted by: RB | Sep 16 2023 17:22 utc | 489
Oh that’s funny. I very nearly typed in a line that said “…and that includes Mearshiemer…” (as a Putin hater).
Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 5:08 utc | 154
My god, you have to be a stupid moronic American. Hater? What a fracking low class. Why would he hate Putin? He is a serious scientist. He’s got his theories. Only fuckups like you can hate someone so remote.
Posted by: RB | Sep 16 2023 17:22 utc | 490
Fun fact – many people wanted to join Russia back in 2014 after the coup happened and the people in Odessa were mass killed by nazis. Back then people in Odessa, Kharkov, Lugansk, Donetsk and Kherson wanted to quickly separate and go to Russia. Crimea did separate and de-facto was not a part of Ukraine with all the tensions mounting, so Russia had to act somewhat quickly and take it. Still, it basically abandoned people in Odessa, Kharkov and Kherson and literally threw people of Donetsk and Lugansk under the bus by refusing them the right to join the Federation.
Just remember one important fact about Russia – since about early 2000 our bourgeoisie was really, REALLY trying to integrate with Europe and sell our resources there for tons of cash. Yet we had war in Georgia of 2008 that put a huge strain on relationships between Russia and Europe and then the Ukrainian thing since 2014. Here’s a friendly reminder – Georgian army was supplied by the USA and Israel and had US instructors and PMCs training. Ukrainian coup had obvious signs of foreign funding as proper evidence and some shady shit going on with random private snipers shooting people.
No need to search for culprits, they’ve already been long known. It’s just that our bourgeoisie were trying to stay buddy-buddy with Europe up until the very end in 2022.
Posted by: Kind Stone | Sep 16 2023 17:38 utc | 491
Fun fact – many people wanted to join Russia back in 2014 after the coup happened and the people in Odessa were mass killed by nazis. Back then people in Odessa, Kharkov, Lugansk, Donetsk and Kherson wanted to quickly separate and go to Russia. Crimea did separate and de-facto was not a part of Ukraine with all the tensions mounting, so Russia had to act somewhat quickly and take it. Still, it basically abandoned people in Odessa, Kharkov and Kherson and literally threw people of Donetsk and Lugansk under the bus by refusing them the right to join the Federation.
Just remember one important fact about Russia – since about early 2000 our bourgeoisie was really, REALLY trying to integrate with Europe and sell our resources there for tons of cash. Yet we had war in Georgia of 2008 that put a huge strain on relationships between Russia and Europe and then the Ukrainian thing since 2014. Here’s a friendly reminder – Georgian army was supplied by the USA and Israel and had US instructors and PMCs training. Ukrainian coup had obvious signs of foreign funding as proper evidence and some shady shit going on with random private snipers shooting people.
No need to search for culprits, they’ve already been long known. It’s just that our bourgeoisie were trying to stay buddy-buddy with Europe up until the very end in 2022.
Posted by: Kind Stone | Sep 16 2023 17:38 utc | 492
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 16 2023 15:53 utc | 229
Much more than just training, the Russians have been able to update their Correlation of Forces and Means values regarding tier 1 Western weapons systems. Irrespective of how badly they have been deployed these encounters generate real-world data which can either validate the theoretical results, or update them. For example, the T-90 was rated as .89 v a 2nd Gen Western MBT, and this figure has been validated or updated thanks to the data from numerous combats recorded. From 3rd Gen AD systems v the latest ALCM’s and artillery rockets, all the way down to the LAD’s and LAW’s v’s NATO IFV’s, the SMO is providing rich veins of information that are being daily mined by Russia to improve combat efficiency.
The Ukrainians seem to be increasingly junking the Western manual, that was barely taught to them, and reverting back to Cold War Soviet tactics, especially using artillery. The trouble was the Soviet tables they are using are out of date (they have not been collecting data from day 1 like the Russians), are largely based on extrapolations of WW2 data and modern but dissimilar conflicts (Chechnya, Afghanistan) and are at odds with Western practice This was the reason that news reports appeared suggesting the Ukrainians were firing too many shells, as the old tables suggested using prodigious amounts to achieve the desired results against dug in dispersed infantry.
The end result is that the Russians are using their forces far more effectively than the Ukrainians, who have rejected NATO tactics that require professional soldiers, backed by fire superiority, to execute, for blindly sending waves of troops in the hope of a breakthrough. Conversely, the Russians, as proved by their superlative handling of the defensive screen in the South, are increasingly able to squeeze the most out of their units, revising Nathan Bedford Forests famous maxim to, ‘get there at the right time, with just enough.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 16 2023 17:43 utc | 493
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 16 2023 15:53 utc | 229
Much more than just training, the Russians have been able to update their Correlation of Forces and Means values regarding tier 1 Western weapons systems. Irrespective of how badly they have been deployed these encounters generate real-world data which can either validate the theoretical results, or update them. For example, the T-90 was rated as .89 v a 2nd Gen Western MBT, and this figure has been validated or updated thanks to the data from numerous combats recorded. From 3rd Gen AD systems v the latest ALCM’s and artillery rockets, all the way down to the LAD’s and LAW’s v’s NATO IFV’s, the SMO is providing rich veins of information that are being daily mined by Russia to improve combat efficiency.
The Ukrainians seem to be increasingly junking the Western manual, that was barely taught to them, and reverting back to Cold War Soviet tactics, especially using artillery. The trouble was the Soviet tables they are using are out of date (they have not been collecting data from day 1 like the Russians), are largely based on extrapolations of WW2 data and modern but dissimilar conflicts (Chechnya, Afghanistan) and are at odds with Western practice This was the reason that news reports appeared suggesting the Ukrainians were firing too many shells, as the old tables suggested using prodigious amounts to achieve the desired results against dug in dispersed infantry.
The end result is that the Russians are using their forces far more effectively than the Ukrainians, who have rejected NATO tactics that require professional soldiers, backed by fire superiority, to execute, for blindly sending waves of troops in the hope of a breakthrough. Conversely, the Russians, as proved by their superlative handling of the defensive screen in the South, are increasingly able to squeeze the most out of their units, revising Nathan Bedford Forests famous maxim to, ‘get there at the right time, with just enough.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 16 2023 17:43 utc | 494
Your comment reminds me of an early statement by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. They actually wanted to go to war in Ukraine back then, but United Russia refused. I don’t know what its (United Russia’s) reasons were, but I was very intrigued when I found out about that since they were neither in agreement with Putin nor more pacifist than him.
Posted by: A Socialist Abroad | Sep 16 2023 17:46 utc | 495
Your comment reminds me of an early statement by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. They actually wanted to go to war in Ukraine back then, but United Russia refused. I don’t know what its (United Russia’s) reasons were, but I was very intrigued when I found out about that since they were neither in agreement with Putin nor more pacifist than him.
Posted by: A Socialist Abroad | Sep 16 2023 17:46 utc | 496
Agree with you and your refutation of JackG. But wasn’t Lend Lease motivated mainly by the desire to weaken both Germany and the USSR?
Posted by: Mouse | Sep 16 2023 16:08 utc | 233
I’m sure such things were discussed and as in most cases conspiracies are seen more easily in hindsight however in Dec. 1941 I suspect the survival of GB was of foremost concern as was keeping the Soviets in the war so the Germans couldn’t focus on GB the oil rich middle east.
I also suspect that someone in the USA managed to get through Mein kampf without killing themselves and realized that AH considered the real enemy in the battle for world domination was the USA. Remember in the last war Germany was starved into submission and Germany with Russian agriculture, Donbas mining and industry and Caucasian oil would turn Europe into a German fortress.
this is my opinion … I’m not a historian but a retired carpenter who as a child couldn’t understand what happened in Europe in WW2 between Dunkirk and D-day so I started to read. As a kid growing up in Canada in the 1960’s with 2 British war vets as parents no one ever mentioned the Russians were even involved in WW2.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 16 2023 17:47 utc | 497
Agree with you and your refutation of JackG. But wasn’t Lend Lease motivated mainly by the desire to weaken both Germany and the USSR?
Posted by: Mouse | Sep 16 2023 16:08 utc | 233
I’m sure such things were discussed and as in most cases conspiracies are seen more easily in hindsight however in Dec. 1941 I suspect the survival of GB was of foremost concern as was keeping the Soviets in the war so the Germans couldn’t focus on GB the oil rich middle east.
I also suspect that someone in the USA managed to get through Mein kampf without killing themselves and realized that AH considered the real enemy in the battle for world domination was the USA. Remember in the last war Germany was starved into submission and Germany with Russian agriculture, Donbas mining and industry and Caucasian oil would turn Europe into a German fortress.
this is my opinion … I’m not a historian but a retired carpenter who as a child couldn’t understand what happened in Europe in WW2 between Dunkirk and D-day so I started to read. As a kid growing up in Canada in the 1960’s with 2 British war vets as parents no one ever mentioned the Russians were even involved in WW2.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 16 2023 17:47 utc | 498
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 16 2023 8:48 utc | 169
I honestly do not understand what you’re suggesting abourt past leftists. Did BoJo, Macron, Rutte or Duda call themselves leftists in the past? Same goes for Meloni, the Spanish and Greek ruling parties.
Now, you might want to point out that numerous champions of NATO like Solana, Stoltenberg, Scholz etc. were leftists or social-democrats who completely betrayed their past convictions. This has been a trend among western or westernizec leftists and socdems since the 90s. But it curiously leaves out the leaderships of most countries targeted by the globalist regime. Latin America is a perfect example, but not the least. China, Belarus, NK, Syria etc. have been governed by leftist or left-leaning parties. And that marks the rift between the mainstream left in the west vs the RoW.
One could go further and point out that post-Soviet Russia was targeted overtly (it was always targeted covertly) when Putin reversed the neolberal rave of the 90s, cracked down on some powerful oligarchs and initiated social programs to rejuvenate the country. The intense criticism of his (neo)liberal critics, some of whom moved to the US years ago, speaks volumes, when they show their admiration for Pinochet and their disgust for Allende.
To conclude, this all leads to what is the endgame. Generic denunciations of the establishment do not offer solutions.
And bringing this in connection with the conflict in Ukraine, I was quite surprised many months ago, when the new president of Colombia, a leftist, lauded a known Colombian leftist who died in Ukraine fighting as a volunteer agaisnt the AFU (for the Donbass militia if I recall). On the other hand, the rightists in Colombia and elsewhere in LAtin America have been consistently supporting NATO, including as volunteers, mercs etc. And of course, let’s not forget the call of Brazilian right-wingers some time ago for the “Ukrainization” of Brazil, i.e. the liquidation of the local political left.
Is there anyone suggesting that all of that is coincidence?
P.S. I also now recall that American communist, who joined the AFU as a volunteer, took a lot of videos exposing the blatant glorification of Nazism there while posing as a co-ideologue and then moved to Russia to show the goodies. It is even more glaring when one notes the opposite trend of far-rightists and neo-Nazis fighting with conviction for NATO and the Maidanist regime.
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 16 2023 17:51 utc | 499
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 16 2023 8:48 utc | 169
I honestly do not understand what you’re suggesting abourt past leftists. Did BoJo, Macron, Rutte or Duda call themselves leftists in the past? Same goes for Meloni, the Spanish and Greek ruling parties.
Now, you might want to point out that numerous champions of NATO like Solana, Stoltenberg, Scholz etc. were leftists or social-democrats who completely betrayed their past convictions. This has been a trend among western or westernizec leftists and socdems since the 90s. But it curiously leaves out the leaderships of most countries targeted by the globalist regime. Latin America is a perfect example, but not the least. China, Belarus, NK, Syria etc. have been governed by leftist or left-leaning parties. And that marks the rift between the mainstream left in the west vs the RoW.
One could go further and point out that post-Soviet Russia was targeted overtly (it was always targeted covertly) when Putin reversed the neolberal rave of the 90s, cracked down on some powerful oligarchs and initiated social programs to rejuvenate the country. The intense criticism of his (neo)liberal critics, some of whom moved to the US years ago, speaks volumes, when they show their admiration for Pinochet and their disgust for Allende.
To conclude, this all leads to what is the endgame. Generic denunciations of the establishment do not offer solutions.
And bringing this in connection with the conflict in Ukraine, I was quite surprised many months ago, when the new president of Colombia, a leftist, lauded a known Colombian leftist who died in Ukraine fighting as a volunteer agaisnt the AFU (for the Donbass militia if I recall). On the other hand, the rightists in Colombia and elsewhere in LAtin America have been consistently supporting NATO, including as volunteers, mercs etc. And of course, let’s not forget the call of Brazilian right-wingers some time ago for the “Ukrainization” of Brazil, i.e. the liquidation of the local political left.
Is there anyone suggesting that all of that is coincidence?
P.S. I also now recall that American communist, who joined the AFU as a volunteer, took a lot of videos exposing the blatant glorification of Nazism there while posing as a co-ideologue and then moved to Russia to show the goodies. It is even more glaring when one notes the opposite trend of far-rightists and neo-Nazis fighting with conviction for NATO and the Maidanist regime.
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 16 2023 17:51 utc | 500