Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 15 2023 18:13 utc | 43

reply to 7
The link is from US News And World Report. And there are claims that commercial sats
can see the port. I don’t think either of these are Pro -Russian, quite the contrary.
So, I still wonder where the after photos are. A picture’s worth a thousand words?
Russo phobes should provide them……unless….

PLUS:
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 15 2023 13:40 utc | 1
mayby you should read/check your own link

A combination image of satellite photos shows Sevastopol, Crimea before a Ukrainian missile attack, on September 12, 2023 (inset) and a view of the same site after the missile attack, on September 13, 2023.
BlackSky/Handout via REUTERS

see also:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russian-submarine-landing-ship-struck-in-attack-on-sevastopol

Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 16 2023 4:48 utc | 303

Oh c’mon SCCC. “America” wasn’t even a sovereign nation when that slave trade began. “America” wasn’t the only country that used or contined that slavery. “America” is the only country in the whole world that fought a huge Civil War to ban slavery. Something like 600k people died in that war, almost all white. Do they count in your Karma calculatuons?
I don’t believe that “Karma” is race-based and can only goes against white people (including Slavs). African warlords sold slaves to many buyers.
But once again I have to admit that your final analysis is 100% correct. America, after 1776, should never have allowed the importation of more African slaves for “cheap labor”.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 16 2023 3:16 utc | 143
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Wow. 5 strawmen in less than 200 words.
Some facts for you;
1. I never said, implied or even thought that America needed to be a soveign nation to receive slaves.
2. I never said, implied or even thought that America was the only country in the world that conducted slavery. I only used it as a secondary example of how a once-white-founded country had inherited a modern day schism of black/white relations through its ancestors — same as GB and France.
3. The American Civil War and its tragic death toll of whites, and the abolition of slavery, clearly never annulled the contemporary social frictions of its race history.
4. I never said, implied or even thought that karma was race-based. I was addressing (WITHOUT PREJUDICE) Acco’s comment about the “blackening” of London. Karma is just karma. Physical science describes it as the equal and opposite force. Psychology describes it as human retribution or revenge for previously being a c**t to someone else. My parents used to say it was my “just desserts” for being a naughty boy. Buddhism describes it as nature’s immutable law which brings good results back to those who do good deeds and bad returns to those who do unkind deeds. Theologies describe it as God’s rewards or punishments for obeying or disobeying his laws. So, karma is not my invention or belief. It just is.
5. I never made “a final analysis” about America’s slave trade after 1776. That is also your own imaginings.
So no cookies for you today for such a poor response.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 4:52 utc | 305

Here is one. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 16 2023 4:10 utc | 147
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Oh that’s funny. I very nearly typed in a line that said “…and that includes Mearshiemer…” (as a Putin hater).
I dunno how much of him you’ve seen or read, but he is clearly a classic American imperialist (That’d be the sum of his upbring and training). Sure, he says endlessly that the west ignored Russia’s security needs. But that’s more his critique of US foreign policy and NOT support for Putin nor his SMO. He has often said the SMO was wrong to do. And I’m pretty sure I’ve heard him say he DOES CONSIDER Putin a dictator. He’s a hyper conservative peacenik, 90% brainwashed by his surrounding cultural narratives.
Now go find me another one, other than Ritter and McGregor.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 5:08 utc | 307

Interesting debate about the Ukraine
conflict this morning on….
BBC Radio World Service ‘Real story’
4.30 am sat gmt.
Yes i know. BBC pass the sick bucket.
But i found this discusion more balanced than enything iv heared in the last l8 months from this organ.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2023 5:12 utc | 309

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 3:55 utc | 145
This must be the first post where you respond to me in a normal fashion, even if I have a few quibles. I’ll try to answer accordingly.
Specifically, on the stance of many specialists of political sciences in the western countries: you are pretty much correct on the abysmal current state of affairs. But that doesn’t discredit the discipline of political sciences, only those who fail to uphold its standards.
The same can be applied to journalism. The vast majority of its prominent practitioners in the western world, especially the MSM, consists of low-life presstitutes. Yet, this isn’t a negation of the profession and much of the info we receive in order to adopt an inform opinion on important current issues like the war in Ukraine comes from individuals who honor the label.
You could also apply that to other jobs or disciplines like history. There are pseudo-scholars like Timothy Snyder who push a form of propaganda for the Anglo-American empire and others who work diligently and keep the serious study of the past alive.
I understand that you may have become cynical through your experiences and decided to ditch political nomenclature and labels, but that doesn’t mean that those who use such are wrong nor that those who actually are using it wrong should not be corrected because of some form of relativism. Words have meaning and importance, so when one makes the fantastic, surreal suggestion for example, that the western world today is run by leftists/socialists/communists, one should be corrected. One cannot formulate based, informed opinions when when one’s worldview is grossly distorted by a lifetime of propaganda.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 16 2023 5:21 utc | 311

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 16 2023 4:39 utc | 150
You still here? I thought you might have bought a ticket to Afghanistan, joined the Taliban, and gone to preach in a madrassa.
You don’t alter your rants much in a day, do you? Why don’t you go hurl some flaming tyres through your local MPs office window, like a good fundamentalist zealot, or maybe play suicide bomber for a day.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 5:25 utc | 313

ghiwen@152
Interesting how those sat photos appear on the web but no similar ones regarding the damage done by the now daily Russian attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure circulate. I guess that since the Ukrainian AD shoots down all the Russian missiles and drones there is nothing to see….

Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 16 2023 5:35 utc | 315

This is how we have ended up in an alternate reality where the EU and NATO are somehow led by socialists. Go figure.
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 16 2023 2:49 utc | 141
It’s a chronic problem. The result of intense psyops, me thinks.
These folks happily believe what our overlords say about themselves. The financiers of fascism in Ukraine, soon Europe, are all apparently Marxist revolutionary anti capitalists.
Just ridiculous.
Our leaders are hard right capitalist madmen willing to drag us all to nuclear war to avert even a slight turn back to mere reformist capitalism with some guardrails, ala china.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 16 2023 5:47 utc | 317

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 16 2023 5:21 utc | 156
Thanks you your gracious reply. I agreed with much, although it does exhibit some still-formulating ideas.
Some things ones learns with age are:
* that nothing is as it seems;
* that one always has soooo much more to learn about everything;
* that ideologies are only that — ideas wrapped up in doctrines, ie -oligies and -isms. Gradually, real life dismantles them;
* academe is not real life. It is a simulation, a mental exercise, a training of left brain thinking and memory. It is oniy as valid as the info put in.
* no belief you hold is real knowledge. Beliefs are merely temporary thinking frameworks until experiental life proves/disproves their worth, and experience validates real knowledge (not just book knowledge, theory, or told information);
* one is ALWAYS deeply deeply conditioned by ones surrounding culture, usually at an unconscious level and not aware of. This gives the mind incredible biases unless and until you step outside it and de-culture yourself, hence the importance of travel.
* having been through youth and beyond, one can easily pick immaturity. It manifests as cock-sure certainty, firebrand politics, lack of respect for age, narrow-mindedness, inflexibility of worldview, lack of self awareness. That is what comes through in your posts.
Travel well.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 6:08 utc | 319

@27
You claim all the steel used in Soviet tanks was US. You have obviously not been to Chelyabinsk.

Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Sep 16 2023 7:12 utc | 321

The Daily Telegraph newspaper tried to conduct its own investigation into the mysterious death of two British soldiers in Ukraine. Daniel Burke disappeared from his apartment in the Zaporozhye region, and the body of Jordan Chadwick was found in a pond with his hands tied behind his back.
And the newspaper comes to a disappointing conclusion: most likely both were killed by their own people. In particular, according to the Telegraph, an analysis of the water in Chadwick’s lungs showed a discrepancy with the water of the reservoir in which he was found. That is, he was drowned in another place, and then the body was transported.
And Burke, it seems, was killed because of money – the newspaper claims that a certain American millionaire transferred him 8 thousand monthly for his maintenance.
And the Telegraph writes (I quote verbatim): “Many complain that selection for service in Ukraine is practically non-existent. “There are guys who shouldn’t be here: someone with a criminal record, someone with post-traumatic stress disorder, someone with drug and alcohol problems or someone using steroids,” one volunteer said.”

https://t.me/MediaKiller2021/9479

Our source in the OP said that after the murder of two British instructors, volunteers began to leave Ukraine. The President’s Office is trying to stop the scandal and has instructed the SBU to find killers among criminal structures with Russian traces in order to form the necessary opinion in the West about the special operation of the Russian special services to discredit Ukraine.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19679

Posted by: Down South | Sep 16 2023 7:38 utc | 323

It’s not dissimilar social karma to present day America for its African slave trade. Their treatment of poor blacks for 300 years now sadly floods their city streets.
Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 0:22 utc | 123

Many countries had slavery that was ended in the 1800’s. Blacks in the UK are generally well integrated, are generally well educated, and generally speak English indistinguishable from other English people.
The problem in the USA started in the 1960’s when welfare incentivized young black women to have children without marrying the father. Now we see the results – feral black young men who grew up without fathers, unable to read, unemployable and largely criminals. The problem is fatherlessness and education in the big cities, not blackness.

Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Sep 16 2023 7:45 utc | 325

Unfortunately, Ukraine is getting stronger and stronger each day.
They get more and more weapons form The West.
Due to Putin’s politics it is harder and harder for Russian soldiers each day.

Posted by: simplex | Sep 16 2023 8:02 utc | 327

The US has neither the ability nor intention to win in Ukraine, the fight is just to drive a wedge between Europe and Russia. If, at the end of the conflict, Europe is just scorched earth, so much the better. That is why the US is not concerned about DU or blowing up nuclear power plants in Ukraine, who cares if the land in that part of the globe becomes uninhabitable. The West is even confiscating the vehicles and possessions of Russian tourists visiting Europe in order to drive Russia and Europe part.
At the end Russia will have peace on her western flank. Whether that is because Europe has seen the light and thrown off her GloboHomo agenda and occupying armies (1st prize) or because Europe is no more (2’nd prize) remains to be seen. Russia is hoping that Europe sees the light, and is maintaining trade relations and contact with Europe for just this eventuality. The whole SloMO is in fact just a go slow initiative which allows the Europeans’ time to see the light while at the same time sparing Russian lives. SloMO is the correct humanitarian response to NATO expansion on Russian lands. But humanitarians don’t get what they want on this Earth, so its much more likely that a scorched earth Europe is going to be the end result.
So while its still early days and Russia can get away with using minimal troops, at a later stage Russia is going to have to stop her nonsense about not allowing foreigners in the the Russian army and open the flood gates to all volunteers. Lots in the Middle East and Asia would flock to the Russian banner, no matter what their governments in the Middle East or Asia say about the matter. While people across the globe admire America, in a manner of speaking, they still just trust Russia. Russia has something more earthly, more real to it, while America is just weird, crazy in fact. No-one in the RoW believes in GloboHomo.

Posted by: gT | Sep 16 2023 8:06 utc | 329

@HERMIUS | Sep 15 2023 23:52 utc | 111

The ONLY way this can be redressed is the arrest of these madmen who have brought hell on Ukraine. I fear these people will face a brutal end!

Don’t forget the women, they want equity.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 16 2023 8:24 utc | 331

@SCCC | Sep 16 2023 1:24 utc | 128

So I don’t see a full American crash, or an EU disintegration, or a NATO dissolution any time soon.

Nobody knows for sure. Linear extrapolation is always a risky game though, this is a non-linear process.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 16 2023 8:32 utc | 333

“at a later stage Russia is going to have to stop her nonsense about not allowing foreigners in the the Russian army ”
gT | Sep 16 2023 8:06 utc | 165
No foreigners, no PMCs, no moving the front line allowed. Losing parked planes and ships every week allowed (t.me/CyberspecNews/42249). Also, allegedly Ukr moved weapon storage in npps (t.me/CyberspecNews/42256) so, if true, the real DU party hasn’t even started yet, probably waiting for f16s

Posted by: rk | Sep 16 2023 8:39 utc | 335

@Boris Badenov | Sep 15 2023 15:56 utc | 23

This is obviously true, but baffles me. Until 10-20 years ago, the left often seemed a bit loopy, but rarely cruel and thirsty for human misery. What the hell happened?

“Left” and “Right” are outdated 20th Century political dogmas. Trying to understand the present time in those terms leads to bafflement. Today it is more like “us” and “them”, where “them” being powerful cliques attempting to re-introduce feudalism using opportunist quislings as tools. Those opportunist quislings in the past used to call themselves “left” … because they were always opportunists.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 16 2023 8:48 utc | 337

Re: population in The Ukraine
I’d like to revisit the question “How many people live in Kiev controlled territory ?”
Barfly Roger presented a compelling case that about 20 million people live in Kiev controlled territory. On the other hand; I calculate no more than 12 million currently live in Kiev controlled territory
There seems to be general agreement on people voting with their feet;
8 million fled 2014-2021
8 million fled 2022-2022
7 million in the 4 Oblasts
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23 million ‘fled’ Kiev’s territory since 2014
However, there seems to be a wide range of estimates what exactly Kiev’s population was as a starting point, namely in 2013. Since there hasn’t been a census for over 20 years – estimating the population as of 2013 is mostly guesswork. I’ve seen estimates ranging from 40 million to 32 million as of 2013/14. does anyone have real insight into the 2013 population ?

Posted by: Exile | Sep 16 2023 9:01 utc | 339

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 16 2023 3:16 utc
seriously, you think american civil war was about slavery? lol, you made my day

Posted by: publicdisorder | Sep 16 2023 9:07 utc | 341

“Left” and “Right” are outdated 20th Century political dogmas. Trying to understand the present time in those terms leads to bafflement. Today it is more like “us” and “them”, where “them” being powerful cliques attempting to re-introduce feudalism using opportunist quislings as tools. Those opportunist quislings in the past used to call themselves “left” … because they were always opportunists.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 16 2023 8:48 utc | 169
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Whilst I partially, personally agree with you, it would be far more advantageous to inform the US Congress and media about this truism than poor old Boris! 🙂 There’s still a lot of leftism and rightism being talked about in politics today. I can’t see them dying out real soon.
Here’s some history about the terms and how they are actually still quite relevant today in many ways. They describe not a black and white binary but a spectrum, a bellcurve, with many hybrid shades of grey.
Be careful you don’t discount a popular term or concept simply because it doesn’t suit your own worldview 🙂
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 9:09 utc | 343

Unfortunately, Ukraine is getting stronger and stronger each day.
They get more and more weapons form The West.
Due to Putin’s politics it is harder and harder for Russian soldiers each day.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 16 2023 8:02 utc | 164
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Where do you gleen such utter nonsense? Denys Dadynov? CNN? France24? Or is it drugs? Or just a small brain?
I have now revised my previous assessment of you not being a willing troll. The shit you post here is just too stupid to be accidental.
Game up, simplex.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 9:17 utc | 345

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 16 2023 3:16 utc
seriously, you think american civil war was about slavery? lol, you made my day
Posted by: publicdisorder | Sep 16 2023 9:07 utc | 171
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Yeah, I noticed that too … and I’m not even an American historian! (or even an American).

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 9:22 utc | 347

@ SCCC | Sep 16 2023 9:09 utc | 172
Why would I attempt to ‘inform’ the US Congress? I don’t live in the US and my comment was not about the US in particular. This is a Ukraine thread and Ukraine is in Europe. For sure, the US is guilty in instigating the coup in Ukraine, with support from quisling opportunists in Europe. The goal is the same as it was before the left/right dogmas were invented: Conquer the vast resources of Russia.
Assuming our goal is to resolve the conflict and find a peace acceptable to all, we must use a terminology that is relevant (there’s a challenge to find one). The old left/right terminology just serves as a “squirrel” to prevent real solutions.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 16 2023 9:26 utc | 349

Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 16 2023 5:35 utc | 158 “Interesting how those sat photos appear on the web but no similar ones regarding the damage done by the now daily Russian attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure circulate. ”
Why doesn’t Tass Or RT publish some?

Posted by: Ed5 | Sep 16 2023 9:38 utc | 351

🇺🇦 The Armed Forces of Ukraine are suffering heavy losses; up to 90% of the personnel who joined the units in the fall of 2022 are out of action. This was announced by the acting head of the Poltava regional military registration and enlistment office Vitaly Berezhnoy.
The military commissar drew attention to the low rates of mobilization in the region and called on deputies to take measures to increase the rate of conscription of local residents. According to Berezhny, in the regional center only 13% of the plan approved by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was fulfilled.

90% of AFU grunts have been rolled over in the last 10-12 months.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 16 2023 9:44 utc | 353

Ukraine Weekly Update: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-8a2

Posted by: Rob Campbell | Sep 16 2023 9:45 utc | 355

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 14:43 utc | 298

b kindly requests that we do not attack each other. You have a comprehension or disrespect issue.
The starting point of this conversation was the cost of 152 mm vs 155 mm artillery rounds…

the starting point is quite right – BUT where in your 203-post did you mention this, did you address it ?
comprehension issue??? Did you think that your 203-post helps to further the “starting point”?
instead you tried to say something about different calibers
AND further muddle the waters by mixing artillery and tanks
where should the respect come from for people who spread such obvious false information (intentionally or out of stupidity)?
b also kindly requests that we “Contribute facts”
ALSO:
b | March 05, 2022
Yves Smith of Naked Capitalism states:
Lambert and I both find this is the worst informational environment either of us have faced, orders of magnitude worse than the war in Iraq, …
and:
Dear patient readers,
Lambert and I, and many readers, agree that Ukraine has prompted the worst informational environment ever.
We hope readers will collaborate in mitigating the fog of war – both real fog and stage fog – in comments.
None of us need more cheerleading and link-free repetition of memes;
there are platforms for that.
I ask readers and commentators here to live by the same standard.
There are too many comments now for me to read and police.
Please notify me via email if there are certain trolls or offenders
who deserve to be excluded from this site.

Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 16 2023 9:52 utc | 357

Posted by: Exile | Sep 16 2023 9:01 utc | 170 “7 million in the 4 Oblasts”
It appears some of them are still living in the parts of the Oblasts that Russian doesn’t control. Kherson, for example.
And of those that fled, how many of them fled to the west of Ukraine?
Here are some claims on the population of Ukraine:
This says closer to 40 million in 2021. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Ukrainian_Census#/media/File:Population_of_Ukraine_from_1950z.svg
This also cites a number close to 40 million https://ukrstat.gov.ua/druk/publicat/kat_u/2021/zb/11/Yearbook_2020_e.pdf
This gives a number in the mid 30 millions for 2023: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/UKR/ukraine/population
This says about 34 millions in Ukraine in 2023: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/ukraines-demography-second-year-full-fledged-war
This has a number in high 30 millions in 2023: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ukraine-population/

Posted by: Ed5 | Sep 16 2023 9:53 utc | 359

Puton said at one of the recent interviews that the kill ratio is now more than 10:1. If you bothered to go on Telegram you’d see whole convoys of Ukies blown up. I saw that on Chinese media.

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 16 2023 10:05 utc | 361

Why would I attempt to ‘inform’ the US Congress?
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 16 2023 9:26 utc | 175
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It was a little joke. Did you not see the smiley face 🙂 ?
Sorry, I forget for a moment you were Norweigen 🙂

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 10:14 utc | 363

Sorry, I forget for a moment you were Norweigen 🙂
Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 10:14 utc | 182
Don’t even start mate! 🙂
btw, love the way you handle your broom and sometimes even
your shovel to help keep things orderly here. G’day!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Sep 16 2023 10:20 utc | 365

Posted by: Ed5 | Sep 16 2023 9:53 utc | 180
Those reports of 30-40 million population are deeply flawed.
first, they do not distinguish between those people living in Kiev controlled territories and otherwise. Second they ignore the 10 million people that moved to NATO countries since 2014. Third, they ignore the 6 million people that moved to the RF since 2014. and Fourth, they ignore the at least 7 million people living in Crimea, DPR, and LPR.
There are lots of reports of people internally displaced who fled Kiev controlled areas for the DPR/LPR

Posted by: Exile | Sep 16 2023 10:38 utc | 367

I had an astounding reality check of just HOW MUCH STUFF the following 44 Brothers-in-Armaments have now sent to Ukraine. And all of it amassed against one nation, Russia, simply holding onto 4 puny oblasts in the Donbass (~15% of Ukraine) where it decided to protect its disconnected ethnic nationals in Ukro-nazi-stan. It’s quite incredible when you realise just how many donors Zelensky accumulated in his travels last year and all the US/UN arm twisting which must have gone on.
Please browse the Wiki page under DONORS to appreciate that it is mostly all now shot to pieces by one country against 44. Wow.
USA
Canada
Australia
New Zealand
UK
Ireland
Germany|Sholz|
France
Poland
Norway
Sweden
Finland
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Denmark
Netherlands
Italy
Malta
Spain
Portugal
Greece
North Macedonia
Albania
Turkey
Jordan
Austria
Belgium
Switzerland
Luxembourg
Montenegro
Morocco
Romania
Bulgaria
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Slovenia
Croatia
[Hungary]
[Serbia]
South Korea
Japan
Iceland
Israel
Pakistan
Sudan

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 11:12 utc | 369

Oops, forgot link ♤♤♤
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 11:14 utc | 371

185 – The fact that Turkey is on the list should serve as a warning to Russia not to trust its government, which is at best opportunist and Janus-faced.

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 16 2023 11:24 utc | 373

This is obviously true, but baffles me. Until 10-20 years ago, the left often seemed a bit loopy, but rarely cruel and thirsty for human misery. What the hell happened?
Posted by: Boris Badenov | Sep 15 2023 15:56 utc | 23
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The Taliban
I mean this quite literally. Once the Taliban took over Afghanistan, a whole bunch of my liberal hippy relatives that opposed both Iraq wars became okay with the US acting as policeman.
Once the Left veered off into culture wars, it is only a step to defending the US Military because the Taliban doesn’t let women go to school.
There is a lot more to the story but that was the pivotal point. The Viet-Name era left found a military adventure they liked and the Empire used it to disarm any political opposition. Once they figured out that would work, they developed the “Putin is a Thug who poisons his opponents” story and now only a few on the fridges people will publicly defend Russia.

Posted by: je | Sep 16 2023 11:25 utc | 375

188 – I think the post-Soviet left, with some exceptions, has been disoriented. This makes it easier to drag large parts of it into identity politics, cultural wars and so on. There has been definite deterioration. Even among Trotskyists, traditionally hostile to socialism in power because it was “Stalinist”, nobody actually called the Nicaraguan Contras “freedom fighters”. But there have been plenty on the left who thought those fighting Gaddafi or Bashar Assad were “freedom fighters” and even “revolutionaries”.

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 16 2023 11:34 utc | 377

To add to 189, I recall graffiti by a Trotskyist group in Piraeus, Greece last year, which called for “Victory and peace for Ukraine” and signed it with the group’s initials and a hammer and sickle. In fact, their beloved Kiev government bans the hammer and sickle, though they may not know that. Not all Trots have this sort of political confusion, but many do.

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 16 2023 11:38 utc | 379

Yeah !
Just when we need strong anti facist organisations thers none to be had.
Ha ha ha i wonder why ?
Time to look in the mirror for a lot of people right on this blog.
On topic.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2023 11:41 utc | 381

As much as I’d like to see it tomorrow, I wonder which decade they are talking about — 2030? 2050?
So I don’t see a full American crash, or an EU disintegration, or a NATO dissolution any time soon.
Posted by: SCCC | Sep 16 2023 1:24 utc | 128
Back in 1914 GB could still order its empire, by the late 1930s it had to beg and barter
I expect the same in 2050 and late 2070s

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 16 2023 11:42 utc | 383

Hungarian Prime Minister Orbán commented on the global deception involving the export of Ukrainian grain:
“We imported Ukrainian grain under pressure from individuals in Brussels who urged us, along with Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania – Ukraine’s neighbors – to allow the land-based import of grain sent from Ukraine by sea.
They argued that if the grain didn’t reach Africa from Ukraine, there would be famine. In the end, we were deceived. It turns out that we export Ukrainian grain, but it never reaches Africa. Traders here in Europe, instead of buying our grain, which is more expensive than Ukrainian grain, opt for the cheaper Ukrainian grain. As a result, impoverished African children do not benefit from this situation.
There is indeed deception involved. This is why we have been battling in Brussels to prevent the import of Ukrainian grain into Central European countries and to keep it within our region. We find ourselves in these battles with Brussels daily because Brussels seems unwilling to support the interests of its member states and European peoples, instead representing different interests. In the case of this grain issue, these interests are not European, Romanian, Polish, Hungarian, or Slovak, but rather American interests.”
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/63264

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2023 11:49 utc | 385

Breaking!
According to TG channels based on RU MOD report, AFU attacks in the Verbove direction have been repelled with heavy losses, AFU has no choice but they started withdrawing the 82nd airlift brigade responsible of this direction.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 16 2023 11:49 utc | 387

reply to 152
The Reuters photos presented mean little. Your second link is better as to actually showing the damage. I note updates there finally showing explicit damage – which is good solid information, not just claimed headlines and long distant photos demanding belief.

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 16 2023 11:59 utc | 389

A typical story on the ARTE (French-German public TV) evening news last night: Victims of the flood following the destruction of the Khakova dam return to the sites of their homes and realize that they have lost everything. The destruction of the dam is “attributed to the Russians,” with no mention of a possible alternative scenario.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Sep 16 2023 11:59 utc | 391

Our source reports that one of the reasons why the Russian Armed Forces are hitting iron “frameless” and arched hangars, which are mainly used for grain storage, etc. – this is the storage by Ukraine in such hangars of aircraft, helicopters, Bayraktara UAVs and others, as well as the assembly and repair of UAVs, helicopters, and aircraft in them.
For the last two months, they have been targeting such hangars throughout the Odessa region, not because they wanted to demolish small granaries (it would be easier to destroy all the elevators, the effect would be better), but they were trying to identify such objects. According to our information, the OP disguised all military industrial facilities and warehouses in Odessa as “grain”; when the grain deal was in effect, they were safe. The Russians knew this and when the deal ended, they immediately began clearing such objects.
Based on this, we are shown photos only when there was actually grain there, and not “toys,” as was the case in the Belgorod-Dniester port.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16266

Posted by: Down South | Sep 16 2023 12:04 utc | 393

You would think the USA, or the 50 nation “coalition of the compromised” would offer to buy all the Ukrainian grain and transport it free of charge to the needy of the world, they are writing 100 million dollar checks to Ukraine every week, multi billion dollar ones every month so there’s no financial hang up. They can even offer to over pay for the grain as an extra gesture of support. Money transfer, good PR, and pressure the Russians on the grain corridor.
Of course Russia beat them to it and the west would look like pendejos, but they do anyway and they’d eliminate the unsightly internal EU discord. The USA/UK spin doctors managing Kiev never even thought of it, I doubt they ever saw it, the Empire’s blind greed will be its undoing.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2023 12:11 utc | 395

Posted by: Exile | Sep 16 2023 10:38 utc | 184
This one, that I included in the list https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/ukraines-demography-second-year-full-fledged-war
“As of January 1, 2023, 37.6 million people lived in the territory within the 1991 borders, 32.6 million within the 2022 borders, and 31.1 million in the territories currently controlled by the Ukrainian government.”

Posted by: Ed5 | Sep 16 2023 12:22 utc | 397

Posted by: Down South | Sep 16 2023 7:38 utc | 162
— Original Article
Death and disappearance of British volunteers in Ukraine exposes rivalry in foreign legion (Archived)
https://tinyurl.com/bdedx4jb

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 16 2023 12:22 utc | 399