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September 15, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-217

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Posted by: tesla | Sep 15 2023 18:37 utc | 50
Did you see 7000 African migrants landing on the island of Lampedusa the other day? And then EU funded taxi service start shipping them to the continent?
EU controlled Europe is done. Not only Russia, but the global south (non-west) wins by brain draining the EU and leaving only dumb neoliberals behind, who will act to wreck the rest of the system. Look a bit further, Europe is done. That’s why they are screaming, jumping and acting in all ways similar to lunatic asylum patients.
The largest problem Russia will have in the future is how to seal the border and isolate itself from another overweight neoliberal sh#thole, where braindead rabid zombies are trying to attack across the border.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 18:48 utc | 101

Posted by: tesla | Sep 15 2023 18:37 utc | 50
Did you see 7000 African migrants landing on the island of Lampedusa the other day? And then EU funded taxi service start shipping them to the continent?
EU controlled Europe is done. Not only Russia, but the global south (non-west) wins by brain draining the EU and leaving only dumb neoliberals behind, who will act to wreck the rest of the system. Look a bit further, Europe is done. That’s why they are screaming, jumping and acting in all ways similar to lunatic asylum patients.
The largest problem Russia will have in the future is how to seal the border and isolate itself from another overweight neoliberal sh#thole, where braindead rabid zombies are trying to attack across the border.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 18:48 utc | 102

Southfront articlee on new anti-armor fpv dron- https://southfront.press/russia-developed-anti-armor-suicide-drone-report/
The age of drone warfare has arrived…
Russia’s Spektr engineering firm had developed an FPV suicide drone, dubbed “Vorobey”, with a warhead designed to defeat armored vehicles, TASS reported on September 14.
Andrey Bratenkov, executive director of Spektr, told the Russian news agency that the drone had been successfully tested in the special military operation zone.
Vorobey drones will be deployed in combat in the near future, the executive said, adding that the drones will ensure greater efficiency due to their lower mass and heightened effectiveness.
“The round of ordnance weighs about 500 grams and is capable of penetrating armor of up to 200 mm [thick]. As a result, in terms of its properties, the Vorobey drone turns out to be a mini-Lancet. The first batch of drones and ordnance has already been handed over for use in the special [military] operation zone,” Bratenkov said.
The suicide drone weighs 1.3 kilograms and has a maximum operational range of up to five kilometers, according to Vorobey.
The executive also noted that the low cost and small mass were the two main advantages of Spektr’s new FPV suicide drone.
“Vorobey has turned out to have quite a ‘bite,’ because it can break through armored hardware. Its prime cost is much lower than that of the Lancet, about 150,000 rubles [about $1,500 – TASS]. The drone is small and its length is about nine inches. One cannot drag a Lancet to the frontline on foot, while it is possible to carry about 10 Vorobey drones without any particular effort and the effectiveness is much greater this way,” Bratenkov said.
The Russian military has been using suicide drones, also known as loitering munitions, since the start of the special operation in Ukraine last year.
These systems inflicted heavy material and human losses on Kiev forces since the start of the Ukrainian counteroffensive more than three months ago.

Posted by: ctiger | Sep 15 2023 18:49 utc | 103

Southfront articlee on new anti-armor fpv dron- https://southfront.press/russia-developed-anti-armor-suicide-drone-report/
The age of drone warfare has arrived…
Russia’s Spektr engineering firm had developed an FPV suicide drone, dubbed “Vorobey”, with a warhead designed to defeat armored vehicles, TASS reported on September 14.
Andrey Bratenkov, executive director of Spektr, told the Russian news agency that the drone had been successfully tested in the special military operation zone.
Vorobey drones will be deployed in combat in the near future, the executive said, adding that the drones will ensure greater efficiency due to their lower mass and heightened effectiveness.
“The round of ordnance weighs about 500 grams and is capable of penetrating armor of up to 200 mm [thick]. As a result, in terms of its properties, the Vorobey drone turns out to be a mini-Lancet. The first batch of drones and ordnance has already been handed over for use in the special [military] operation zone,” Bratenkov said.
The suicide drone weighs 1.3 kilograms and has a maximum operational range of up to five kilometers, according to Vorobey.
The executive also noted that the low cost and small mass were the two main advantages of Spektr’s new FPV suicide drone.
“Vorobey has turned out to have quite a ‘bite,’ because it can break through armored hardware. Its prime cost is much lower than that of the Lancet, about 150,000 rubles [about $1,500 – TASS]. The drone is small and its length is about nine inches. One cannot drag a Lancet to the frontline on foot, while it is possible to carry about 10 Vorobey drones without any particular effort and the effectiveness is much greater this way,” Bratenkov said.
The Russian military has been using suicide drones, also known as loitering munitions, since the start of the special operation in Ukraine last year.
These systems inflicted heavy material and human losses on Kiev forces since the start of the Ukrainian counteroffensive more than three months ago.

Posted by: ctiger | Sep 15 2023 18:49 utc | 104

@ T6 | Sep 15 2023 18:08 utc | 41
I’m reminded of this description of the perfect Nazi, frequently heard on the streets before 1933:
blond wie Hitler
schlank wie Göring
schweigsam wie Goebbels
keusch wir Röhm
(blond like Hitler, slim like Göring, silent like Goebbels, chaste like Röhm)

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 15 2023 18:50 utc | 105

@ T6 | Sep 15 2023 18:08 utc | 41
I’m reminded of this description of the perfect Nazi, frequently heard on the streets before 1933:
blond wie Hitler
schlank wie Göring
schweigsam wie Goebbels
keusch wir Röhm
(blond like Hitler, slim like Göring, silent like Goebbels, chaste like Röhm)

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 15 2023 18:50 utc | 106

@JackG | Sep 15 2023 16:42 utc | 27
What a deplorable crap about Nuland being a “bolshevik”, typical for rants of fascists. Nuland never was in any way left wing affiliated, not even in her youth. Her husband, Robert Kagan, is a staunch right winger, co founder with William Kristol of PNAC.
Of the older generation Neocons, only Kristol and Daniel Bell have beeb trotskyites in their youth, but all they retained from that was hatred of USSR and Russia. Most Neocons like Rumsfeld were right wingers all their lives, all of them staunch anti-commuists like idiots of your breed.

Posted by: aquadraht | Sep 15 2023 19:00 utc | 107

@JackG | Sep 15 2023 16:42 utc | 27
What a deplorable crap about Nuland being a “bolshevik”, typical for rants of fascists. Nuland never was in any way left wing affiliated, not even in her youth. Her husband, Robert Kagan, is a staunch right winger, co founder with William Kristol of PNAC.
Of the older generation Neocons, only Kristol and Daniel Bell have beeb trotskyites in their youth, but all they retained from that was hatred of USSR and Russia. Most Neocons like Rumsfeld were right wingers all their lives, all of them staunch anti-commuists like idiots of your breed.

Posted by: aquadraht | Sep 15 2023 19:00 utc | 108

Mercouris interesting on RU shell production
at about 40:00
https://theduran.com/blinken-hints-wants-ukr-conflict-freeze-focus-china-shoigu-victory-only-option-attrition-war/

Posted by: AG | Sep 15 2023 19:07 utc | 109

Mercouris interesting on RU shell production
at about 40:00
https://theduran.com/blinken-hints-wants-ukr-conflict-freeze-focus-china-shoigu-victory-only-option-attrition-war/

Posted by: AG | Sep 15 2023 19:07 utc | 110

Continuation of my previous post. My belief is that drones are going to be the great equalizer in the near future for smaller countries. This is due to their advantages of low cost and ease of transportation. Can you imagine a $1500 drone destroying a tank, mrap, afv, etc.. at a range of up to 5 kilometer? I read somewhere that drone operation is now a required part of Russian infantry training (and probably other specialties as well). Can you imagine what Palestinians, Lebanon or Hamas could do with these things? Israel might have to actually negotiate…
I’m sure Syria would love to have some of them for the Golan Heights area….

Posted by: ctiger | Sep 15 2023 19:09 utc | 111

Continuation of my previous post. My belief is that drones are going to be the great equalizer in the near future for smaller countries. This is due to their advantages of low cost and ease of transportation. Can you imagine a $1500 drone destroying a tank, mrap, afv, etc.. at a range of up to 5 kilometer? I read somewhere that drone operation is now a required part of Russian infantry training (and probably other specialties as well). Can you imagine what Palestinians, Lebanon or Hamas could do with these things? Israel might have to actually negotiate…
I’m sure Syria would love to have some of them for the Golan Heights area….

Posted by: ctiger | Sep 15 2023 19:09 utc | 112

Even at the beginning of the war, we insided that the authorities would clear all monuments about the Great Patriotic War, changing the emphasis, which would benefit those who are the real scriptwriters of the game.
Now, this happens as a matter of course. No one cares about the memory of their people anymore. Today in Kyiv they “cleaned up” the Victory Stella. The re-flashing is in full swing. The result will be the fact that Ukraine will not be proud of the victory of its people, but will begin to regret it as losers. Those who are in charge of this, on the contrary, will privatize this victory in history for themselves and will be proud.
Ukrainians are being made into a mediocre nation.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16263

Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2023 19:17 utc | 113

Even at the beginning of the war, we insided that the authorities would clear all monuments about the Great Patriotic War, changing the emphasis, which would benefit those who are the real scriptwriters of the game.
Now, this happens as a matter of course. No one cares about the memory of their people anymore. Today in Kyiv they “cleaned up” the Victory Stella. The re-flashing is in full swing. The result will be the fact that Ukraine will not be proud of the victory of its people, but will begin to regret it as losers. Those who are in charge of this, on the contrary, will privatize this victory in history for themselves and will be proud.
Ukrainians are being made into a mediocre nation.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16263

Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2023 19:17 utc | 114

@51
And what?
Did u see or hear only one voice of EU citizens complaining?
NO in contrary ! They want more not only 7000!
I agree with u that EU is done!
But who cares?
Seems like only me, you and few others re complaining…)))
The bigger problem is that these EU satanists re in full mode to destroy mother Russia
5 D Jesus is not realizing that nobody takes him serious anymore
Almost all russian red lines have been easily crossed
Zero reaction
Actually The formula must be:
If we (russia) going to sink we ll take u (western partners) with us!
But therefore u need to make a mark at last…..impressive mark!
I doubt with 5D Jesus in power
For His western partners he is a laughingstock (

Posted by: tesla | Sep 15 2023 19:17 utc | 115

@51
And what?
Did u see or hear only one voice of EU citizens complaining?
NO in contrary ! They want more not only 7000!
I agree with u that EU is done!
But who cares?
Seems like only me, you and few others re complaining…)))
The bigger problem is that these EU satanists re in full mode to destroy mother Russia
5 D Jesus is not realizing that nobody takes him serious anymore
Almost all russian red lines have been easily crossed
Zero reaction
Actually The formula must be:
If we (russia) going to sink we ll take u (western partners) with us!
But therefore u need to make a mark at last…..impressive mark!
I doubt with 5D Jesus in power
For His western partners he is a laughingstock (

Posted by: tesla | Sep 15 2023 19:17 utc | 116

@ctiger | Sep 15 2023 19:09 utc | 56
I read somewhere that drone operation is now a required part of Russian infantry training…

Is there a teenage boy (or really almost any dude under 60) that hasn’t been playing video games for years and that couldn’t learn to operate one of these drones in about 15 minutes?
(And to avoid seeming sexist, I had at least one girlfriend who could kick my ass at this sort of thing…)

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Sep 15 2023 19:20 utc | 117

@ctiger | Sep 15 2023 19:09 utc | 56
I read somewhere that drone operation is now a required part of Russian infantry training…

Is there a teenage boy (or really almost any dude under 60) that hasn’t been playing video games for years and that couldn’t learn to operate one of these drones in about 15 minutes?
(And to avoid seeming sexist, I had at least one girlfriend who could kick my ass at this sort of thing…)

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Sep 15 2023 19:20 utc | 118

So now I’m wondering if this puts pressure to shoot down US surveillance drones directly and push towards Odessa. To attack US assets is seemingly justified if they’re directly aiding in the conflict, but it would be a very significant escalation.
Posted by: Matthew | Sep 15 2023 17:45 utc | 38
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In my observation, the Russians aren’t very reactive. They stay their course. They have a plan, they iterate it, but they generally stick to it.
Odessa will fall, maybe next year. This is going to be a long, long war.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 15 2023 19:22 utc | 119

So now I’m wondering if this puts pressure to shoot down US surveillance drones directly and push towards Odessa. To attack US assets is seemingly justified if they’re directly aiding in the conflict, but it would be a very significant escalation.
Posted by: Matthew | Sep 15 2023 17:45 utc | 38
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In my observation, the Russians aren’t very reactive. They stay their course. They have a plan, they iterate it, but they generally stick to it.
Odessa will fall, maybe next year. This is going to be a long, long war.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 15 2023 19:22 utc | 120

Posted by: tesla | Sep 15 2023 19:17 utc | 58
###############
I can appreciate the complaining of Slavs but there is a point where it becomes pathetic and counter-productive.
You have reached that point with your comments today.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 15 2023 19:25 utc | 121

Posted by: tesla | Sep 15 2023 19:17 utc | 58
###############
I can appreciate the complaining of Slavs but there is a point where it becomes pathetic and counter-productive.
You have reached that point with your comments today.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 15 2023 19:25 utc | 122

Alexander Mercouris talked about how New York Times claims Russia is producing 2 million shells per year. But it’s likely that the correct figure currently is closer to 3 million, and set to rise going forward with new factories coming online and plentiful raw materials.
Also, this article, looking at steel, aluminum and chemical explosive precursors arrives more or less in the same conclusion.
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/is-russia-running-out-of-ammunition

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 19:38 utc | 123

Alexander Mercouris talked about how New York Times claims Russia is producing 2 million shells per year. But it’s likely that the correct figure currently is closer to 3 million, and set to rise going forward with new factories coming online and plentiful raw materials.
Also, this article, looking at steel, aluminum and chemical explosive precursors arrives more or less in the same conclusion.
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/is-russia-running-out-of-ammunition

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 19:38 utc | 124

The largest problem Russia will have in the future is how to seal the border and isolate itself from another overweight neoliberal sh#thole, where braindead rabid zombies are trying to attack across the border.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 18:48 utc | 51
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Exactly correct insight into the mess the Europeans have created for themselves, aided and abetted by Obama, HRC, with Samantha Powers as the champion for getting Libya destroyed. It is the single worst event the European leaders have inflicted upon themselves, turning them into Muslim nations.
Heathrow, last time I went through it, looked to me like Nairobi. I know it was not, but it made my ‘be sure not to go through it ever again’ list. Amsterdam, Brussels, Rome, Munich, Frankfurt, Madrid, Athens are not in the same league, yet.
A statue should be erected for HRC. I have my own ideas along this line. The cartoons of ‘Broomstick One’ some years ago were informative. The pigeons, as art critics in waiting, are waiting for one of the Bamster’s first.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 19:38 utc | 125

The largest problem Russia will have in the future is how to seal the border and isolate itself from another overweight neoliberal sh#thole, where braindead rabid zombies are trying to attack across the border.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 18:48 utc | 51
——————————————————-
Exactly correct insight into the mess the Europeans have created for themselves, aided and abetted by Obama, HRC, with Samantha Powers as the champion for getting Libya destroyed. It is the single worst event the European leaders have inflicted upon themselves, turning them into Muslim nations.
Heathrow, last time I went through it, looked to me like Nairobi. I know it was not, but it made my ‘be sure not to go through it ever again’ list. Amsterdam, Brussels, Rome, Munich, Frankfurt, Madrid, Athens are not in the same league, yet.
A statue should be erected for HRC. I have my own ideas along this line. The cartoons of ‘Broomstick One’ some years ago were informative. The pigeons, as art critics in waiting, are waiting for one of the Bamster’s first.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 19:38 utc | 126

@ 61
should i be worried?

Posted by: tesla | Sep 15 2023 19:56 utc | 127

@ 61
should i be worried?

Posted by: tesla | Sep 15 2023 19:56 utc | 128

Ukraine is trying to buy time till the autumn rains start and this goal is basically achieved. Russian active defence = crimean bridge will be completely destroyed soon and on top of that expect Putin hiding in a bunker because of strikes on Kremilin. After disposing all ukies US/UK will bring their eternal asset – jihadis. They will entrench them in cities (syrian way) taking population as human shield. Of course expect “chemical attacks” white helmets and similar stuff. This step plus mining every inch of UA territory and this mess can last for decades. US doesn’t give a fuck about UA population. They need only territory to bite Russia.

Posted by: smartboy | Sep 15 2023 19:59 utc | 129

Ukraine is trying to buy time till the autumn rains start and this goal is basically achieved. Russian active defence = crimean bridge will be completely destroyed soon and on top of that expect Putin hiding in a bunker because of strikes on Kremilin. After disposing all ukies US/UK will bring their eternal asset – jihadis. They will entrench them in cities (syrian way) taking population as human shield. Of course expect “chemical attacks” white helmets and similar stuff. This step plus mining every inch of UA territory and this mess can last for decades. US doesn’t give a fuck about UA population. They need only territory to bite Russia.

Posted by: smartboy | Sep 15 2023 19:59 utc | 130

Paper Of Record (Daily Mail) reports that recent vanished/deceased Brit mercenaries were deliberate ‘own-goals’.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12521985/british-soldiers-ukraine-murdered-foreign-legion.html
Two British volunteer fighters who fought in Ukraine are feared to have been murdered by their fellow foreign legion comrades following alleged disputes over money and petty arguments, it has emerged. Daniel Burke, a former paratrooper who went to fight in Ukraine as a volunteer last year, vanished from his flat in the southeastern city of Zaporizhzhia on August 11 and hasn’t been seen since. There are now fears that the 36-year-old could have been killed not by Russian soldiers, but by his fellow foreign legion fighters because of reported disputes and jealousy over the amount of money he was receiving in donations.
Ukrainian police comb the fields of Komyshuvakha village on the outskirts of Zaporizhzhia for any sign of Burke’s body, cops further east are investigating the death of former British soldier Jordan Chadwick, 31, near Bakhmut. Chadwick, a former Scots Guard from Burnley, Lancashire, who also volunteered to fight for Ukraine, was found dead in a body of water with his hands tied behind his back in June. A source told the Daily Telegraph that Chadwick had been shot during a petty argument that got out of hand, raising further mystery surrounding his death.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 15 2023 20:02 utc | 131

Paper Of Record (Daily Mail) reports that recent vanished/deceased Brit mercenaries were deliberate ‘own-goals’.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12521985/british-soldiers-ukraine-murdered-foreign-legion.html
Two British volunteer fighters who fought in Ukraine are feared to have been murdered by their fellow foreign legion comrades following alleged disputes over money and petty arguments, it has emerged. Daniel Burke, a former paratrooper who went to fight in Ukraine as a volunteer last year, vanished from his flat in the southeastern city of Zaporizhzhia on August 11 and hasn’t been seen since. There are now fears that the 36-year-old could have been killed not by Russian soldiers, but by his fellow foreign legion fighters because of reported disputes and jealousy over the amount of money he was receiving in donations.
Ukrainian police comb the fields of Komyshuvakha village on the outskirts of Zaporizhzhia for any sign of Burke’s body, cops further east are investigating the death of former British soldier Jordan Chadwick, 31, near Bakhmut. Chadwick, a former Scots Guard from Burnley, Lancashire, who also volunteered to fight for Ukraine, was found dead in a body of water with his hands tied behind his back in June. A source told the Daily Telegraph that Chadwick had been shot during a petty argument that got out of hand, raising further mystery surrounding his death.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 15 2023 20:02 utc | 132

@ctiger/46
direct link to the publication.
https://myslpolska.info/2023/09/13/worek-pod-rabotino/
!(myslpolska is not the Polish mainstream either)
!!! – important message
for the future – buy your children puzzles, even tomorrow. So that later they were able to do it , what we all spend our time doing here now.

Posted by: nc | Sep 15 2023 20:02 utc | 133

@ctiger/46
direct link to the publication.
https://myslpolska.info/2023/09/13/worek-pod-rabotino/
!(myslpolska is not the Polish mainstream either)
!!! – important message
for the future – buy your children puzzles, even tomorrow. So that later they were able to do it , what we all spend our time doing here now.

Posted by: nc | Sep 15 2023 20:02 utc | 134

Mercouris basically argues that the neocon faction that wants to focus on China won in Washington and since AFU has failed, the caravan will soon move off. Zelensky didn’t get the hint yet and is going to US to drum up more support, but Ukraine might not only be deprioritized, but cut off completely.
He also talks about the attrition war, and when pro-west trolls say Ukraine has scrapped the counter-offensive and moved to attrition, it certainly isn’t showing anywhere. Basically Nato demanded Ukraine stop using their AFVs and use only infantry attacks, losing hundreds every day for no gains. That is not the way to fight war of attrition.
They also increasingly need to use Himars as counter-battery asset at extreme ranges.
US is not nearly as strong as it was during cold war.
Mercouris analyzed Blinken’s new speech and basically the goal of Ukraine 1991 borders have been completely dropped. The only goal for Ukraine is to survive. That’s the only one.
Biden regime wants to freeze the conflict to focus China, but the conflict will not be allowed to freeze. Shoigu said Russia has no other choice, certainly, freezing is not a choice. Obviously, this also means that it is not in Chinese or Xi Jinping’s interest for the conflict in Ukraine to freeze. It is in Chinese interest now that Nato loses in Ukraine.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 20:12 utc | 135

Mercouris basically argues that the neocon faction that wants to focus on China won in Washington and since AFU has failed, the caravan will soon move off. Zelensky didn’t get the hint yet and is going to US to drum up more support, but Ukraine might not only be deprioritized, but cut off completely.
He also talks about the attrition war, and when pro-west trolls say Ukraine has scrapped the counter-offensive and moved to attrition, it certainly isn’t showing anywhere. Basically Nato demanded Ukraine stop using their AFVs and use only infantry attacks, losing hundreds every day for no gains. That is not the way to fight war of attrition.
They also increasingly need to use Himars as counter-battery asset at extreme ranges.
US is not nearly as strong as it was during cold war.
Mercouris analyzed Blinken’s new speech and basically the goal of Ukraine 1991 borders have been completely dropped. The only goal for Ukraine is to survive. That’s the only one.
Biden regime wants to freeze the conflict to focus China, but the conflict will not be allowed to freeze. Shoigu said Russia has no other choice, certainly, freezing is not a choice. Obviously, this also means that it is not in Chinese or Xi Jinping’s interest for the conflict in Ukraine to freeze. It is in Chinese interest now that Nato loses in Ukraine.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 20:12 utc | 136

A bit more flesh would help: You are suggesting that Ukraine has longer-reach artillery than Russia. Maybe. But what guns are you talking about, and when did Ukraine aquire them? Until recently, the story went that Russia could shoot a couple of kilometers further than Ukraine, with exception of the mysterious HIMARS, that for some reason Russia can’t find an antidote against.
Posted by: Marvin | Sep 15 2023 17:38 utc | 35
No, not “with exception to the mysterious HIMARS”. The Russian Tornado-S MLRS has not only double the magazine capacity but also 50% more range over the HIMARS system

Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 15 2023 20:12 utc | 137

A bit more flesh would help: You are suggesting that Ukraine has longer-reach artillery than Russia. Maybe. But what guns are you talking about, and when did Ukraine aquire them? Until recently, the story went that Russia could shoot a couple of kilometers further than Ukraine, with exception of the mysterious HIMARS, that for some reason Russia can’t find an antidote against.
Posted by: Marvin | Sep 15 2023 17:38 utc | 35
No, not “with exception to the mysterious HIMARS”. The Russian Tornado-S MLRS has not only double the magazine capacity but also 50% more range over the HIMARS system

Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 15 2023 20:12 utc | 138

with exception of the mysterious HIMARS, that for some reason Russia can’t find an antidote against.
Posted by: Marvin | Sep 15 2023 17:38 utc | 35
Himars are shot down almost daily, no problem. The success appears mostly on shoot and run or when traitors give coordinates, like the Chechen’s hotel hit last year. For the same reason, shoot and run, Donetsk or Belgorod are still hit by artillery or missiles. The smo being fully static/paused since Gerasimov is in full control, and more limited in resources than before, it’s simple statistics that himars will hit some targets. Surveillance and response time is also bad so you won’t see zero hits.
Btw, statistics game is also played by Elon for market value. Says he disabled starlink for Crimea, which 99.9% was a lie, then all he has to do is wait a bit. Daily drone attacks, eventually something new will be hit and he’ll say “give me more money, I win the war”. The same trick he did with Hyperloop project. Absurd and idiotic, but billions were collected for a fake story.

Posted by: rk | Sep 15 2023 20:16 utc | 139

with exception of the mysterious HIMARS, that for some reason Russia can’t find an antidote against.
Posted by: Marvin | Sep 15 2023 17:38 utc | 35
Himars are shot down almost daily, no problem. The success appears mostly on shoot and run or when traitors give coordinates, like the Chechen’s hotel hit last year. For the same reason, shoot and run, Donetsk or Belgorod are still hit by artillery or missiles. The smo being fully static/paused since Gerasimov is in full control, and more limited in resources than before, it’s simple statistics that himars will hit some targets. Surveillance and response time is also bad so you won’t see zero hits.
Btw, statistics game is also played by Elon for market value. Says he disabled starlink for Crimea, which 99.9% was a lie, then all he has to do is wait a bit. Daily drone attacks, eventually something new will be hit and he’ll say “give me more money, I win the war”. The same trick he did with Hyperloop project. Absurd and idiotic, but billions were collected for a fake story.

Posted by: rk | Sep 15 2023 20:16 utc | 140

As events unfold how likely is delivery of nukes to UKR?
This appears to be a serious issue now which is more than mere speculation.
By augmenting threat potential to an absolute maximum they could try to provoke RU attack on NATO staff since most likely US WMDs will not be put in the hands of AFU forces.
I do not know in how far the serious military in NATO are masters of their own and in how far they are truly willing to walk this edge.
This accompanied by increasing threat to Crimea of course. Wonder what Erdogan said on that topic.

Posted by: AG | Sep 15 2023 20:21 utc | 141

As events unfold how likely is delivery of nukes to UKR?
This appears to be a serious issue now which is more than mere speculation.
By augmenting threat potential to an absolute maximum they could try to provoke RU attack on NATO staff since most likely US WMDs will not be put in the hands of AFU forces.
I do not know in how far the serious military in NATO are masters of their own and in how far they are truly willing to walk this edge.
This accompanied by increasing threat to Crimea of course. Wonder what Erdogan said on that topic.

Posted by: AG | Sep 15 2023 20:21 utc | 142

RE: Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 20:12 utc | 68
Mercouris is a Western analyst that thinks the West has some control over when the SMO ends. Goes on and on about Blinken, Neocons in Washington, China. Et el.
If you think Russia cares, when it comes to their National Security, the existential threat to them, what even China wants, forget about it.
This SMO is not “ending” anytime soon. Russia doesn’t give a rag about Sullivan, elections, the UN, the UNSC, China, neocons or any entity that doesn’t support them. Those days are over.
They’ll decide when on the ground and political events shape in a way that provides their nation & people with security.
This SMO isn’t going away anytime soon.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 15 2023 20:26 utc | 143

RE: Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 20:12 utc | 68
Mercouris is a Western analyst that thinks the West has some control over when the SMO ends. Goes on and on about Blinken, Neocons in Washington, China. Et el.
If you think Russia cares, when it comes to their National Security, the existential threat to them, what even China wants, forget about it.
This SMO is not “ending” anytime soon. Russia doesn’t give a rag about Sullivan, elections, the UN, the UNSC, China, neocons or any entity that doesn’t support them. Those days are over.
They’ll decide when on the ground and political events shape in a way that provides their nation & people with security.
This SMO isn’t going away anytime soon.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 15 2023 20:26 utc | 144

If Russia starts systematically “lighting” every spy device flying over the Black Sea as a first warning that enough is enough, would it be too big an escalation towards NATO?

Posted by: scc | Sep 15 2023 20:32 utc | 145

If Russia starts systematically “lighting” every spy device flying over the Black Sea as a first warning that enough is enough, would it be too big an escalation towards NATO?

Posted by: scc | Sep 15 2023 20:32 utc | 146

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 15 2023 20:26 utc | 72
Fundamentally I agree with that assertion. US is basically a glorified arms dealer with a pile of meat shields (Finland, Poland) in front of it. Beyond that, there’s nothing but rotten power structures controlled by corporations. However, it might still be useful to know what they are trying to achieve or planning, as it has some effect on global events.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 20:33 utc | 147

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 15 2023 20:26 utc | 72
Fundamentally I agree with that assertion. US is basically a glorified arms dealer with a pile of meat shields (Finland, Poland) in front of it. Beyond that, there’s nothing but rotten power structures controlled by corporations. However, it might still be useful to know what they are trying to achieve or planning, as it has some effect on global events.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 20:33 utc | 148

unimperator @14

Finland’s economy is going down the gutter like Ukraine has gone.

Good, they can go back to herding reindeer, the contact with nature might instill some wisdom. What country with neutrality trashes it to put itself right smack between two fighting super-powers?
Rhetorical question, I know the answer, the USA told them straight up they are going all in on war, you are either with us or against us, no fence straddling. We will ruin you in the process and if we win we’ll be merciless. And, the Fins, the Swedes, Bulgarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, and now Armenians, know that if Russia wins not much bad will happen, the Russians won’t be merciless and life will go back to normal. So, they took the best bet.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 15 2023 20:39 utc | 149

unimperator @14

Finland’s economy is going down the gutter like Ukraine has gone.

Good, they can go back to herding reindeer, the contact with nature might instill some wisdom. What country with neutrality trashes it to put itself right smack between two fighting super-powers?
Rhetorical question, I know the answer, the USA told them straight up they are going all in on war, you are either with us or against us, no fence straddling. We will ruin you in the process and if we win we’ll be merciless. And, the Fins, the Swedes, Bulgarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, and now Armenians, know that if Russia wins not much bad will happen, the Russians won’t be merciless and life will go back to normal. So, they took the best bet.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 15 2023 20:39 utc | 150

Musk knew they were going to attack Crimea and he used it to sell his book and advertise starlink on every news channel, this story was old and reported on months ago.
NATO has gone to war over oil or water in some random small country repeatedly. Anyone who thinks they will shrug and walk away from Russia taking away their control of the planet is in for one hell of a surprise. Unless the US has been taken over by traitors and is going to destroy itself we are in for a war that makes WW2 look like a joke.
North Korea and China have signed on to fight out east so has Japan and Taiwan. People are arming up and picking sides, Iran didn’t get jets and a satellite for nothing. Africa is starting to ramp up fighting in many areas and the same goes for Syria/Iraq.

Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 15 2023 20:43 utc | 151

Musk knew they were going to attack Crimea and he used it to sell his book and advertise starlink on every news channel, this story was old and reported on months ago.
NATO has gone to war over oil or water in some random small country repeatedly. Anyone who thinks they will shrug and walk away from Russia taking away their control of the planet is in for one hell of a surprise. Unless the US has been taken over by traitors and is going to destroy itself we are in for a war that makes WW2 look like a joke.
North Korea and China have signed on to fight out east so has Japan and Taiwan. People are arming up and picking sides, Iran didn’t get jets and a satellite for nothing. Africa is starting to ramp up fighting in many areas and the same goes for Syria/Iraq.

Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 15 2023 20:43 utc | 152

You see once 95% of Ukraine’s men are gone you will be left only eith the most superior specimen. They will dedicate their lives to mate with Ukrainian women, the money will be provided by NATO, to create a much more purified, powerful master race. Where all men are as vigorous as reznikov, refined and smart-looking like zelensky and streamlined like budanov.
Posted by: T6 | Sep 15 2023 18:08 utc | 41
When 95% of male citizens of Ukraine are “gone”, 5% remain. Until then it is consistent and can also be proven by Adam Riese. Whether the remaining pensioners, corruptors, penis piano players, etc. can then form a “master race” is ridiculous, like the term master race.
You are the king of bullshit. Do you think you will be a part of these 5%?
Like Rich Piana?

Posted by: 600w | Sep 15 2023 20:43 utc | 153

You see once 95% of Ukraine’s men are gone you will be left only eith the most superior specimen. They will dedicate their lives to mate with Ukrainian women, the money will be provided by NATO, to create a much more purified, powerful master race. Where all men are as vigorous as reznikov, refined and smart-looking like zelensky and streamlined like budanov.
Posted by: T6 | Sep 15 2023 18:08 utc | 41
When 95% of male citizens of Ukraine are “gone”, 5% remain. Until then it is consistent and can also be proven by Adam Riese. Whether the remaining pensioners, corruptors, penis piano players, etc. can then form a “master race” is ridiculous, like the term master race.
You are the king of bullshit. Do you think you will be a part of these 5%?
Like Rich Piana?

Posted by: 600w | Sep 15 2023 20:43 utc | 154

Ukraine is losing ~20 artillery pieces a day, which is 360 per month, which is 4,320 per year. As far as I know, I don’t think NATO has little more artillery to spare. They may run out of artillery before they run put of shells.

Posted by: JustTruth | Sep 15 2023 20:44 utc | 155

Ukraine is losing ~20 artillery pieces a day, which is 360 per month, which is 4,320 per year. As far as I know, I don’t think NATO has little more artillery to spare. They may run out of artillery before they run put of shells.

Posted by: JustTruth | Sep 15 2023 20:44 utc | 156

My observations on “Shifting the conflict East” and also a bit on Mercouris.
I still think the Russia/NK move is an escalation and it will encourage factions within the West to ditch Ukraine and go for Taiwan option while they still can, NK is actually a tricky situation for the USA as the NK primary deterrence is an all out attack on South Korea which the US will have to back up. South Korea is also independent to a degree and it does not consider itself a proxy meat buffer like Japan/Taiwan. Increased Russian/Chinese ties with NK spell big trouble for the SK/USA alliance.
On Mercouris: As Trubind1@72 stated, he is a western analyst who has not yet realized this conflict is redefining old geo strategic/geopolitical structures, he still puts weight on Blinken, Sullivan, UN, UNSC as if Russia or even China are still taking any of these characters/institutions seriously. A new world order is being born and it will not be stopped.
He has not yet come to the realization that the West in it’s current form is done, it’s a corrupt system through and through and small changes around the edges are not going to solve anything, yet he goes on an on about them as if Blinken and the Neocons are going to dictate to Russia when to stop.
His partner Alex K. get it better, he realizes the West is for the most part done and it’s just enjoy the decline from here on out.

Posted by: foxy48 | Sep 15 2023 21:06 utc | 157

My observations on “Shifting the conflict East” and also a bit on Mercouris.
I still think the Russia/NK move is an escalation and it will encourage factions within the West to ditch Ukraine and go for Taiwan option while they still can, NK is actually a tricky situation for the USA as the NK primary deterrence is an all out attack on South Korea which the US will have to back up. South Korea is also independent to a degree and it does not consider itself a proxy meat buffer like Japan/Taiwan. Increased Russian/Chinese ties with NK spell big trouble for the SK/USA alliance.
On Mercouris: As Trubind1@72 stated, he is a western analyst who has not yet realized this conflict is redefining old geo strategic/geopolitical structures, he still puts weight on Blinken, Sullivan, UN, UNSC as if Russia or even China are still taking any of these characters/institutions seriously. A new world order is being born and it will not be stopped.
He has not yet come to the realization that the West in it’s current form is done, it’s a corrupt system through and through and small changes around the edges are not going to solve anything, yet he goes on an on about them as if Blinken and the Neocons are going to dictate to Russia when to stop.
His partner Alex K. get it better, he realizes the West is for the most part done and it’s just enjoy the decline from here on out.

Posted by: foxy48 | Sep 15 2023 21:06 utc | 158

@foxy48 | Sep 15 2023 21:06 utc | 79

On Mercouris: As Trubind1@72 stated, he is a western analyst who has not yet realized this conflict is redefining old geo strategic/geopolitical structures, he still puts weight on Blinken, Sullivan, UN, UNSC as if Russia or even China are still taking any of these characters/institutions seriously. A new world order is being born and it will not be stopped.

I don’t think you have spent much time listening to Mercouris.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 21:15 utc | 159

@foxy48 | Sep 15 2023 21:06 utc | 79

On Mercouris: As Trubind1@72 stated, he is a western analyst who has not yet realized this conflict is redefining old geo strategic/geopolitical structures, he still puts weight on Blinken, Sullivan, UN, UNSC as if Russia or even China are still taking any of these characters/institutions seriously. A new world order is being born and it will not be stopped.

I don’t think you have spent much time listening to Mercouris.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 21:15 utc | 160

Looks like EU disintegration is in progress:

The European Commission has refused to extend the embargo on Ukrainian grain supplies to five neighbouring countries – Poland was the first to officially refuse to comply.
Polish Prime Minister Morawiecki: Here and now I say. We will extend the ban on imports of Ukrainian grain. We will not listen to Berlin, we will not listen to Brussels. We will do it from midnight tonight. This decision of the European Commission is very harmful for Polish farmers.
Hungary has imposed a ban on imports of 24 types of agricultural products from Ukraine, including grain, vegetables, meat and honey
Slovakia unilaterally extends ban on grain imports from Ukraine – country’s Agriculture Ministry.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/63236

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 21:17 utc | 161

Looks like EU disintegration is in progress:

The European Commission has refused to extend the embargo on Ukrainian grain supplies to five neighbouring countries – Poland was the first to officially refuse to comply.
Polish Prime Minister Morawiecki: Here and now I say. We will extend the ban on imports of Ukrainian grain. We will not listen to Berlin, we will not listen to Brussels. We will do it from midnight tonight. This decision of the European Commission is very harmful for Polish farmers.
Hungary has imposed a ban on imports of 24 types of agricultural products from Ukraine, including grain, vegetables, meat and honey
Slovakia unilaterally extends ban on grain imports from Ukraine – country’s Agriculture Ministry.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/63236

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 21:17 utc | 162

AG @ 71

As events unfold how likely is delivery of nukes to UKR?

Absolutely zero that they’d be handed over to Kiev, zero and then some. As for the USA, not NATO but the USA exclusively, it would first have to move its forces en masse into the theater, that could happen eventually but it’s not around the corner. Using nukes tactically in Ukraine would be a fatal strategic blunder for the USA. Russia might use tactical nukes but not in Ukraine, not because of fraternity among Slavs but it would be strategically useless. There is no tactical use of nukes that isn’t also strategic, it would have to be worth it, ie saving the lives of millions of Russians needed to push NATO out of eastern Europe. People shit on me for being doom and gloom, I have Putin in one ear, Medvedev in the other, I listen to both – as intended.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 15 2023 21:25 utc | 163

AG @ 71

As events unfold how likely is delivery of nukes to UKR?

Absolutely zero that they’d be handed over to Kiev, zero and then some. As for the USA, not NATO but the USA exclusively, it would first have to move its forces en masse into the theater, that could happen eventually but it’s not around the corner. Using nukes tactically in Ukraine would be a fatal strategic blunder for the USA. Russia might use tactical nukes but not in Ukraine, not because of fraternity among Slavs but it would be strategically useless. There is no tactical use of nukes that isn’t also strategic, it would have to be worth it, ie saving the lives of millions of Russians needed to push NATO out of eastern Europe. People shit on me for being doom and gloom, I have Putin in one ear, Medvedev in the other, I listen to both – as intended.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 15 2023 21:25 utc | 164

The food ban started when the depleted uranium showed up no?

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 15 2023 21:27 utc | 165

The food ban started when the depleted uranium showed up no?

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 15 2023 21:27 utc | 166

OhCanada @76
You really hit on my greatest fear. The NATO nations are run by an international elite that actually hate their own people. This is new in history.
There is no other way to think of this. 7000 Africans land on an Italian island and this is not immediately dealt with??? Folks, even if you are not of a “sink the boats” mentality, mass deporting people is not difficult. The US did it in the 1950s, more than a million were taken out in a very short window. It’s not rocket science.
Heck, ask how the Dominican Republic did it with the Haitians.
Events are converging. And it is a dangerous time indeed… A nation is its people. Period. Anyone who says anything different is an enemy not only to diversity, but to humanity and to culture.

Posted by: Johnny | Sep 15 2023 21:30 utc | 167

OhCanada @76
You really hit on my greatest fear. The NATO nations are run by an international elite that actually hate their own people. This is new in history.
There is no other way to think of this. 7000 Africans land on an Italian island and this is not immediately dealt with??? Folks, even if you are not of a “sink the boats” mentality, mass deporting people is not difficult. The US did it in the 1950s, more than a million were taken out in a very short window. It’s not rocket science.
Heck, ask how the Dominican Republic did it with the Haitians.
Events are converging. And it is a dangerous time indeed… A nation is its people. Period. Anyone who says anything different is an enemy not only to diversity, but to humanity and to culture.

Posted by: Johnny | Sep 15 2023 21:30 utc | 168

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 21:17 utc | 81
Ursula and pals are in a very tight spot. It’s fun to watch them squirm for a change.
On one hand, the EU commissions only guiding principle is to do things that do not result in the break-up of the union. That is, if enough weight counters what they want to do, they will usually give up and simply decide or agree in the way that will not result in damage to EU cohesion.
On the other hand, Ursula and pals are hugely in love in Ukraine, and they would certainly bend over to do anything Zelensky wants. They would love to allow free flow of Ukrainian grain.
Now we have a conflict situation. The EU has been simply disregarded.
The next step is damage control, with Ursula coming out and saying that they “agreed” to an exception to those countries opposing. So they are just bending and shifting shape to maintain the illusion of being in control and deciding things, they’ll say they have understood Polish concerns and “allowed” them the grain ban.
EU is a completely squirmy and structure with no backbone. The real problem is it’s hard to kill that sort of shape shifter, because they are “always right” and always bend the way that doesn’t threaten the system. Of course, simultaneously it means that it is a pretty much irrelevant structure behind the grandiose theater setups.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 21:31 utc | 169

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 21:17 utc | 81
Ursula and pals are in a very tight spot. It’s fun to watch them squirm for a change.
On one hand, the EU commissions only guiding principle is to do things that do not result in the break-up of the union. That is, if enough weight counters what they want to do, they will usually give up and simply decide or agree in the way that will not result in damage to EU cohesion.
On the other hand, Ursula and pals are hugely in love in Ukraine, and they would certainly bend over to do anything Zelensky wants. They would love to allow free flow of Ukrainian grain.
Now we have a conflict situation. The EU has been simply disregarded.
The next step is damage control, with Ursula coming out and saying that they “agreed” to an exception to those countries opposing. So they are just bending and shifting shape to maintain the illusion of being in control and deciding things, they’ll say they have understood Polish concerns and “allowed” them the grain ban.
EU is a completely squirmy and structure with no backbone. The real problem is it’s hard to kill that sort of shape shifter, because they are “always right” and always bend the way that doesn’t threaten the system. Of course, simultaneously it means that it is a pretty much irrelevant structure behind the grandiose theater setups.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 21:31 utc | 170

So the stories on the Ukrainian telegram channels were true. The Ukrainians are pushing through the mind fields and making progress against Russia’s defensive lines. Whelp….
Posted by: bored | Sep 15 2023 14:45 utc | 8
The intention is to create an appearance of progress. In that regard, your statement is accurate. However, in actuality, it can be argued that this is not true progress, as it lacks the necessary momentum to penetrate further into Russian territory. It has taken a duration of three months to advance approximately 6 kilometres within a significantly limited portion of the contact line. There are individuals who hold the belief that they are being drawn into a situation where the Kiev forces are entering a precarious ‘cauldron’ scenario.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2023 21:44 utc | 171

So the stories on the Ukrainian telegram channels were true. The Ukrainians are pushing through the mind fields and making progress against Russia’s defensive lines. Whelp….
Posted by: bored | Sep 15 2023 14:45 utc | 8
The intention is to create an appearance of progress. In that regard, your statement is accurate. However, in actuality, it can be argued that this is not true progress, as it lacks the necessary momentum to penetrate further into Russian territory. It has taken a duration of three months to advance approximately 6 kilometres within a significantly limited portion of the contact line. There are individuals who hold the belief that they are being drawn into a situation where the Kiev forces are entering a precarious ‘cauldron’ scenario.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2023 21:44 utc | 172

Trubind1 @ 72
The problem with a lot of the otherwise perceptive, and worthy, internet pundits, Mercouris, Christoforou, Jimmy Dore, etc, is that they glean over MSM media for worthwhile insights, as if there are any. I spent decades getting brainwashed by western MSM, just hearing a reference, any reference, has the same reaction that seeing a plate of mussels has to someone that once ate a bad mussel.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 15 2023 21:45 utc | 173

Trubind1 @ 72
The problem with a lot of the otherwise perceptive, and worthy, internet pundits, Mercouris, Christoforou, Jimmy Dore, etc, is that they glean over MSM media for worthwhile insights, as if there are any. I spent decades getting brainwashed by western MSM, just hearing a reference, any reference, has the same reaction that seeing a plate of mussels has to someone that once ate a bad mussel.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 15 2023 21:45 utc | 174

Boris Badenov @ 59
I am beyond your age cutoff so you may be correct. Haven’t played a video game since Pong and that got no more than a couple minutes. The newer games I’ve no idea who is good guy and who is bad guy or the faintest notion what all the commotion on the screen is about. The gents authorizing and funding ‘training’ are my age, we would imagine it is needed.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 15 2023 21:50 utc | 175

Boris Badenov @ 59
I am beyond your age cutoff so you may be correct. Haven’t played a video game since Pong and that got no more than a couple minutes. The newer games I’ve no idea who is good guy and who is bad guy or the faintest notion what all the commotion on the screen is about. The gents authorizing and funding ‘training’ are my age, we would imagine it is needed.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 15 2023 21:50 utc | 176

RE:” I don’t think you have spent much time listening to Mercouris.”
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 21:15 utc | 80
It’s not personal or one particular Western analysis. Look at our “power” from the outside… the whole world is seeing the internal collapse, the 2nd President in a row facing impeachment processes, a country completely polarized, non-functioning, non-agreement capable, one President signs a treaty, the next comes in and tears it up. How would Ukraine differ? Or any important US agreement with any nation see us, especially as they see a bunch of indicted Presidents, one after the other? That’s why attending the G20 was a waste of time. Maybe some foreign governments know “who’s in charge” but we sure as heck don’t. My guess is, they don’t either.
If it was just in “decline” that would still be something foreign governments would have to respect ,but this is political collapse that makes the whole world run for the exits. (Except the ones with knives and forks out).
That’s why none of the “analysis” about the West matters, it’s fluid and what’s here today, can be gone tomorrow in the West. Policies, spending, wars, trade, economic aide and even wars. The “tactical minutia” of the day of week hardly matters when it come to the US right now.
All this hoopla when we don’t even have ammunition, not worth much analysis time is all I’m saying.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 15 2023 21:55 utc | 177

RE:” I don’t think you have spent much time listening to Mercouris.”
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 21:15 utc | 80
It’s not personal or one particular Western analysis. Look at our “power” from the outside… the whole world is seeing the internal collapse, the 2nd President in a row facing impeachment processes, a country completely polarized, non-functioning, non-agreement capable, one President signs a treaty, the next comes in and tears it up. How would Ukraine differ? Or any important US agreement with any nation see us, especially as they see a bunch of indicted Presidents, one after the other? That’s why attending the G20 was a waste of time. Maybe some foreign governments know “who’s in charge” but we sure as heck don’t. My guess is, they don’t either.
If it was just in “decline” that would still be something foreign governments would have to respect ,but this is political collapse that makes the whole world run for the exits. (Except the ones with knives and forks out).
That’s why none of the “analysis” about the West matters, it’s fluid and what’s here today, can be gone tomorrow in the West. Policies, spending, wars, trade, economic aide and even wars. The “tactical minutia” of the day of week hardly matters when it come to the US right now.
All this hoopla when we don’t even have ammunition, not worth much analysis time is all I’m saying.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 15 2023 21:55 utc | 178

Assume this person is a doomer but is there any validity to any of this?
“”Recently, a number of channels claimed that the front has become calmer, and Ukrainians have run out of steam. Unfortunately, this is not the case. The enemy continues to storm our positions with maniacal persistence. Opponents have a real unlimited infantry (they will call as much as they need and at the same time they can send them to “meat assaults”, regardless of losses). Not only has the 9th Corps been practically restored, but the enemy is still preparing new brigades in the rear. Unfortunately, during the summer campaign we did not manage to surround a single unit, which means that very soon we will see the same brigades at the front.
The summer-autumn offensive can be called “armored”. The bet was made on Western models, but it did not materialize. In the current conditions, the “armor” could not break through the front line. And here again, you should be careful. Of course, we destroyed a lot of equipment, even the most media cemeteries of western armor near Rabotino appeared, but the enemy has no shortage of armor. One delivery of 190 MaxxPro covers all lost machines of this brand. Moreover, lately, armor has been used little in attacks, which means it is protected.
There were hopes that after the failure of the counteroffensive, Ukraine would negotiate, but at the moment there are no such prerequisites. This means that the counteroffensive will continue. What will it be like?
The new phase of the Ukrainian counteroffensive will be aviation. It was the lack of adequate air support that was recognized as the cause of the failures. And now the enemy is doing everything to reduce our ability to counter aviation. To do this, strikes are methodically carried out against air defense systems in the Crimea. The supply of cluster ATACMS poses a huge threat to our airfields (yes, we have problems with hangars for boards).
The introduction of Western fighters will make it possible to use the full range of Western aviation weapons on the front line. As conceived, JDAMs and HARMs will fly more accurately…..”
https://t.me/s/bayraktar1070

Posted by: MG | Sep 15 2023 22:04 utc | 179

Assume this person is a doomer but is there any validity to any of this?
“”Recently, a number of channels claimed that the front has become calmer, and Ukrainians have run out of steam. Unfortunately, this is not the case. The enemy continues to storm our positions with maniacal persistence. Opponents have a real unlimited infantry (they will call as much as they need and at the same time they can send them to “meat assaults”, regardless of losses). Not only has the 9th Corps been practically restored, but the enemy is still preparing new brigades in the rear. Unfortunately, during the summer campaign we did not manage to surround a single unit, which means that very soon we will see the same brigades at the front.
The summer-autumn offensive can be called “armored”. The bet was made on Western models, but it did not materialize. In the current conditions, the “armor” could not break through the front line. And here again, you should be careful. Of course, we destroyed a lot of equipment, even the most media cemeteries of western armor near Rabotino appeared, but the enemy has no shortage of armor. One delivery of 190 MaxxPro covers all lost machines of this brand. Moreover, lately, armor has been used little in attacks, which means it is protected.
There were hopes that after the failure of the counteroffensive, Ukraine would negotiate, but at the moment there are no such prerequisites. This means that the counteroffensive will continue. What will it be like?
The new phase of the Ukrainian counteroffensive will be aviation. It was the lack of adequate air support that was recognized as the cause of the failures. And now the enemy is doing everything to reduce our ability to counter aviation. To do this, strikes are methodically carried out against air defense systems in the Crimea. The supply of cluster ATACMS poses a huge threat to our airfields (yes, we have problems with hangars for boards).
The introduction of Western fighters will make it possible to use the full range of Western aviation weapons on the front line. As conceived, JDAMs and HARMs will fly more accurately…..”
https://t.me/s/bayraktar1070

Posted by: MG | Sep 15 2023 22:04 utc | 180

” And what?
Did u see or hear only one voice of EU citizens complaining?
NO in contrary ! They want more not only 7000!
I agree with u that EU is done!
But who cares?
Seems like only me, you and few others re complaining…)))
Posted by: tesla | Sep 15 2023 19:17 utc | 58 ”
Many complain about the ” invasion ” however they are immediately accused of being racist, Nazi fascists and possibly lose their employment. Would you complain in that kind of environment ?

Posted by: Shocked | Sep 15 2023 22:29 utc | 181

” And what?
Did u see or hear only one voice of EU citizens complaining?
NO in contrary ! They want more not only 7000!
I agree with u that EU is done!
But who cares?
Seems like only me, you and few others re complaining…)))
Posted by: tesla | Sep 15 2023 19:17 utc | 58 ”
Many complain about the ” invasion ” however they are immediately accused of being racist, Nazi fascists and possibly lose their employment. Would you complain in that kind of environment ?

Posted by: Shocked | Sep 15 2023 22:29 utc | 182

@LightYearsFromHome 82
I actually agree.
I do not mean to say the US really wants to use them. Its meant more as a provocation. Create, pose, a major threat. Just like increasing surveillance over the Black Sea in order to provoke a Russian “mistake”.
It is even less likely that the RUs use nukes. I do not understand why Mearsheimer and others are saying this.
RU WMDs are more defensive in posture than US. Has been that way most of the time.
But it has always been the politics of the US to create aggressive posture. To trying to induce fear to dominate the other for economic or whatever reason. They could have well wiped out RU and CHINA in the early 1950s with probably zero KIA of their own.
They didn´t do it because eventually to not kill your adversary is better for business. And it was in fact simply unnecessary. US power was so overwhelming after WWII.
But I asked this question because I see no real reason for the US to NOT do such a WMD move in UKR after a certain period of additional serious escalation. Just to put a few of them there and look what happens. And then some more. And since WMDs will always be handeled only by US/NATO staff an attack on them is a different game.
And by doing that they could very well demonstrate to China what the would be willing to do in South Korea, Taiwan and the entire region. What can CHINA do against the US building up a belt of WMDs?

Posted by: AG | Sep 15 2023 22:38 utc | 183

@LightYearsFromHome 82
I actually agree.
I do not mean to say the US really wants to use them. Its meant more as a provocation. Create, pose, a major threat. Just like increasing surveillance over the Black Sea in order to provoke a Russian “mistake”.
It is even less likely that the RUs use nukes. I do not understand why Mearsheimer and others are saying this.
RU WMDs are more defensive in posture than US. Has been that way most of the time.
But it has always been the politics of the US to create aggressive posture. To trying to induce fear to dominate the other for economic or whatever reason. They could have well wiped out RU and CHINA in the early 1950s with probably zero KIA of their own.
They didn´t do it because eventually to not kill your adversary is better for business. And it was in fact simply unnecessary. US power was so overwhelming after WWII.
But I asked this question because I see no real reason for the US to NOT do such a WMD move in UKR after a certain period of additional serious escalation. Just to put a few of them there and look what happens. And then some more. And since WMDs will always be handeled only by US/NATO staff an attack on them is a different game.
And by doing that they could very well demonstrate to China what the would be willing to do in South Korea, Taiwan and the entire region. What can CHINA do against the US building up a belt of WMDs?

Posted by: AG | Sep 15 2023 22:38 utc | 184

U.S. billionaire Elon Musk has agreed to sell a portion of Starlink assets to the U.S. Department of Defense, removing himself from decision-making regarding geofencing Ukraine’s access to the satellite internet service, Musk’s biographer Walter Isaacson told The Washington Post on Sept. 13.

Ukraine/NATO will have full Starlink access for their new drone attacks. Seems like kind of a big deal.

Posted by: Mookraker | Sep 15 2023 22:51 utc | 185

U.S. billionaire Elon Musk has agreed to sell a portion of Starlink assets to the U.S. Department of Defense, removing himself from decision-making regarding geofencing Ukraine’s access to the satellite internet service, Musk’s biographer Walter Isaacson told The Washington Post on Sept. 13.

Ukraine/NATO will have full Starlink access for their new drone attacks. Seems like kind of a big deal.

Posted by: Mookraker | Sep 15 2023 22:51 utc | 186

EUROPE DIVIDED OVER UKRAINE GRAIN AS HUNGARY, ROMANIA AND SLOVAKIA BAN CONTINUES

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki announced on Friday that Warsaw will unilaterally block the import of agricultural produce from Ukraine starting at midnight, after learning that the EU has decided to lift the ban imposed in May to protect farmers in several member states.
Hungary, Romania and Slovakia will also reinstate their own bans and brace for “a serious fight in Brussels,” Hungarian PM Viktor Orban said in a radio appearance on Friday.

Seems support for kiev is weakening by the day….

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2023 22:57 utc | 187

EUROPE DIVIDED OVER UKRAINE GRAIN AS HUNGARY, ROMANIA AND SLOVAKIA BAN CONTINUES

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki announced on Friday that Warsaw will unilaterally block the import of agricultural produce from Ukraine starting at midnight, after learning that the EU has decided to lift the ban imposed in May to protect farmers in several member states.
Hungary, Romania and Slovakia will also reinstate their own bans and brace for “a serious fight in Brussels,” Hungarian PM Viktor Orban said in a radio appearance on Friday.

Seems support for kiev is weakening by the day….

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2023 22:57 utc | 188

Posted by: JackG | Sep 15 2023 16:42 utc | 27
The representative of the lunatic parade is on it again. Even his meds can’t help anymore.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 15 2023 22:58 utc | 189

Posted by: JackG | Sep 15 2023 16:42 utc | 27
The representative of the lunatic parade is on it again. Even his meds can’t help anymore.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 15 2023 22:58 utc | 190

KIEV ITENSIFIES ITS ATTACK ON FREEDOM SAYS DUTCH JOURNALIST

Kiev’s pledge to hunt down Russian media figures echoes its infamous ‘Peacekeeper’ kill list and is a threat to all members of the profession, independent Dutch Journalist Sonja van den Ende told RT in an interview on Friday.

This has been going on for 10 years in bandera kiev. After all, its a Nazi regime. Thats what they do…just like the Germans did in the 30s and 40s.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2023 23:01 utc | 191

KIEV ITENSIFIES ITS ATTACK ON FREEDOM SAYS DUTCH JOURNALIST

Kiev’s pledge to hunt down Russian media figures echoes its infamous ‘Peacekeeper’ kill list and is a threat to all members of the profession, independent Dutch Journalist Sonja van den Ende told RT in an interview on Friday.

This has been going on for 10 years in bandera kiev. After all, its a Nazi regime. Thats what they do…just like the Germans did in the 30s and 40s.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2023 23:01 utc | 192

Mookraker @ 93

U.S. billionaire Elon Musk has agreed to sell a portion of Starlink assets to the U.S. Department of Defense, removing himself…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF68HewRJqo

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 15 2023 23:02 utc | 193

Mookraker @ 93

U.S. billionaire Elon Musk has agreed to sell a portion of Starlink assets to the U.S. Department of Defense, removing himself…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF68HewRJqo

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 15 2023 23:02 utc | 194

Posted by: jpc | Sep 15 2023 15:35 utc | 16
The Tories, Macron, Meloni & Co in Spain, Greece etc. are “lefties”. Who would have known?
Is there any wonder that the Dems are labeled “communists”? It should be obvious that Biden was named after Comrade Stalin, dontcha know…

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 15 2023 23:05 utc | 195

Posted by: jpc | Sep 15 2023 15:35 utc | 16
The Tories, Macron, Meloni & Co in Spain, Greece etc. are “lefties”. Who would have known?
Is there any wonder that the Dems are labeled “communists”? It should be obvious that Biden was named after Comrade Stalin, dontcha know…

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 15 2023 23:05 utc | 196

by: scc | Sep 15 2023 20:32 utc | 73
If Russia starts systematically “lighting” every spy device flying over the Black Sea as a first warning that enough is enough, would it be too big an escalation towards NATO?
They pretty much do, and RQ’s often fly back to home base with the error code 7600, meaning “go home, signal(s) lost for too long”.
But, I think the Murmansk-BN system is used often against AWACS near the Black Sea with a range of more than 1400 km effectively, some claim even more. Meaning from Crimea Westwards its range is just past Wien, South it goes past Israel. So maybe amplified by naval EW it can basically cover pretty much of a vast deterrent zone. Also do not forget, recent RF’s military satellites are also EW capable.
In the Black Sea RF has Krasukha-4 linked to ships equipped with TK-25E jamming stations, acting as a relays. That is pretty hefty EW and ECM capacity, but I doubt it is used to its full power, due to the near-by civilian air traffic corridor.
Lately RF is more cautious with its EW, as those when radiating, can be detected and tracked from satellites, however, I have noticed that lately EW is somewhat modest to idle, giving the space for Ukrainian strikes. Also in visible decline with multiple Ukrainian drones deep over the front lines.
EW also affects RF’s forces, too.
Historically, the signal suppression has been done since the 1961 (historians will go back to Trojan wars), when the Berlin Wall went up. It is a “soft warfare”, kinda of a normal measure, so, no reason to understand it as an escalation. Hacking is kind of the same, getting more unease and friction there, but the USA/Israel weaponized it first and everyone else accepted it.
Escalation is when Stratofortress B-52 flies over the Romanian Black Sea coastal airspace, and this is what happened today late afternoon.
So, RF will not escalate. NATO will. It always does, until is no more.

Posted by: whirlX | Sep 15 2023 23:06 utc | 197

by: scc | Sep 15 2023 20:32 utc | 73
If Russia starts systematically “lighting” every spy device flying over the Black Sea as a first warning that enough is enough, would it be too big an escalation towards NATO?
They pretty much do, and RQ’s often fly back to home base with the error code 7600, meaning “go home, signal(s) lost for too long”.
But, I think the Murmansk-BN system is used often against AWACS near the Black Sea with a range of more than 1400 km effectively, some claim even more. Meaning from Crimea Westwards its range is just past Wien, South it goes past Israel. So maybe amplified by naval EW it can basically cover pretty much of a vast deterrent zone. Also do not forget, recent RF’s military satellites are also EW capable.
In the Black Sea RF has Krasukha-4 linked to ships equipped with TK-25E jamming stations, acting as a relays. That is pretty hefty EW and ECM capacity, but I doubt it is used to its full power, due to the near-by civilian air traffic corridor.
Lately RF is more cautious with its EW, as those when radiating, can be detected and tracked from satellites, however, I have noticed that lately EW is somewhat modest to idle, giving the space for Ukrainian strikes. Also in visible decline with multiple Ukrainian drones deep over the front lines.
EW also affects RF’s forces, too.
Historically, the signal suppression has been done since the 1961 (historians will go back to Trojan wars), when the Berlin Wall went up. It is a “soft warfare”, kinda of a normal measure, so, no reason to understand it as an escalation. Hacking is kind of the same, getting more unease and friction there, but the USA/Israel weaponized it first and everyone else accepted it.
Escalation is when Stratofortress B-52 flies over the Romanian Black Sea coastal airspace, and this is what happened today late afternoon.
So, RF will not escalate. NATO will. It always does, until is no more.

Posted by: whirlX | Sep 15 2023 23:06 utc | 198

GERMANY DEFIES KIEV – IMPORTS RUSSIAN OIL!

Germany has continued importing large volumes of Russian oil, turning to India as a substitute supplier after the EU banned almost all crude imports from Moscow in early December.
According to a Der Spiegel report on Tuesday, Berlin’s imports of petroleum products from India jumped more than twelvefold in January-July 2023 year-on-year.
The value of those imports soared from €37 million ($39 million) in the first seven months of 2022 to $484 million during the same period of 2023, the outlet’s analysis of official data reportedly showed.

Cracks appear to be opening up in Europe.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2023 23:13 utc | 199

GERMANY DEFIES KIEV – IMPORTS RUSSIAN OIL!

Germany has continued importing large volumes of Russian oil, turning to India as a substitute supplier after the EU banned almost all crude imports from Moscow in early December.
According to a Der Spiegel report on Tuesday, Berlin’s imports of petroleum products from India jumped more than twelvefold in January-July 2023 year-on-year.
The value of those imports soared from €37 million ($39 million) in the first seven months of 2022 to $484 million during the same period of 2023, the outlet’s analysis of official data reportedly showed.

Cracks appear to be opening up in Europe.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2023 23:13 utc | 200