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September 12, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-215
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Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 14 2023 14:45 utc | 395
They aren’t hard to hide, are they? The glib warmongers mentioned want to gloat for the horror that NATO inflicts as it makes them feel part of the superior Homo Occidentalis. The goal is to trigger other posters and derail the threads.
That’s what some folks don’t understand here who think that genuine criticism that has been seen by many who also visit the front and make suggestions about the war effort (such a Vladlen Tatarsky and others) are not championing NATO. It is unfortunate that many see these internet debates as a pissing contest.
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 14 2023 16:34 utc | 801
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 14 2023 14:45 utc | 395
They aren’t hard to hide, are they? The glib warmongers mentioned want to gloat for the horror that NATO inflicts as it makes them feel part of the superior Homo Occidentalis. The goal is to trigger other posters and derail the threads.
That’s what some folks don’t understand here who think that genuine criticism that has been seen by many who also visit the front and make suggestions about the war effort (such a Vladlen Tatarsky and others) are not championing NATO. It is unfortunate that many see these internet debates as a pissing contest.
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 14 2023 16:34 utc | 802
Why is peaceful cooperation being abandoned?
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 14 2023 16:19 utc | 397
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The simple answer to this is that peaceful cooperation is pure poison for the profit interests of the international arms trade.
Posted by: Nobody | Sep 14 2023 16:34 utc | 803
Why is peaceful cooperation being abandoned?
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 14 2023 16:19 utc | 397
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The simple answer to this is that peaceful cooperation is pure poison for the profit interests of the international arms trade.
Posted by: Nobody | Sep 14 2023 16:34 utc | 804
Russia´s cunning adoption of “horizontal escalation” may tip Brandon over even when he´s not walking:
A Turkish attack on the Kurds
An Assyrian attack on the Kurds
An Iraqi/Hezbollah/Assyrian attack on al-Tanf & al-Zuqf
A Niger attack on American bases there
Victories by Yemen against Sadist Barbaria
Venezuela joining BRICS
A “terrorist” attack on Rotterdam´s LNG depot
and so on . . .
Posted by: John Marks | Sep 14 2023 16:48 utc | 805
Russia´s cunning adoption of “horizontal escalation” may tip Brandon over even when he´s not walking:
A Turkish attack on the Kurds
An Assyrian attack on the Kurds
An Iraqi/Hezbollah/Assyrian attack on al-Tanf & al-Zuqf
A Niger attack on American bases there
Victories by Yemen against Sadist Barbaria
Venezuela joining BRICS
A “terrorist” attack on Rotterdam´s LNG depot
and so on . . .
Posted by: John Marks | Sep 14 2023 16:48 utc | 806
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 14 2023 16:34 utc | 401
Were you born a crettin or did you have to work on it? The threat of this conflict reaching extreme levels of escalation and going nuclear is brought by all sensible people in numerous fora who demand that the west back down from its confronational stance. Any one with a scintilla of attachment to reality recognizes this danger when a nuclear-armed state is targeted with such intensity.
Yet here you are, a first-grade wanker, being all cocky and carefree about a war where an imperial bloc openly calls for the dissolution of a nuclear-armed power that has already been subjected to numerous humiliations. You pose as an adult when you project small-dick energy and call me a child to get around your own inadequacies. you deliberately misrepresent my post to score imaginary points, when the nuclear threat has been called by any who have a basic grip with reality, including many barflies.
Get a life and try to communicate with real people in real life before you pose a a pseudo-intellectual in the internet.
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 14 2023 16:50 utc | 807
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 14 2023 16:34 utc | 401
Were you born a crettin or did you have to work on it? The threat of this conflict reaching extreme levels of escalation and going nuclear is brought by all sensible people in numerous fora who demand that the west back down from its confronational stance. Any one with a scintilla of attachment to reality recognizes this danger when a nuclear-armed state is targeted with such intensity.
Yet here you are, a first-grade wanker, being all cocky and carefree about a war where an imperial bloc openly calls for the dissolution of a nuclear-armed power that has already been subjected to numerous humiliations. You pose as an adult when you project small-dick energy and call me a child to get around your own inadequacies. you deliberately misrepresent my post to score imaginary points, when the nuclear threat has been called by any who have a basic grip with reality, including many barflies.
Get a life and try to communicate with real people in real life before you pose a a pseudo-intellectual in the internet.
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 14 2023 16:50 utc | 808
Ah more invective and insults. Whatever man. Go home, you’re drunk and are unable to even account for your own words. You’ve got nothing to offer.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 14 2023 17:04 utc | 809
Ah more invective and insults. Whatever man. Go home, you’re drunk and are unable to even account for your own words. You’ve got nothing to offer.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 14 2023 17:04 utc | 810
Even though Russian troops have run out of shells, ammunition, tanks, planes, boots, socks and condoms, and are now armed only with shovels, they still manage to knock out Leopards and Challengers (with their shovels) whilst paralytic drunk on vodka with plummeting morale.
Just think what they could do if Putin manages to scrape together a few AK47s or even old PPSHs to give them, and if he could get them to sober up for a day or two!
They would be in Paris, London and Washington within a week!
Unless those Leopards and Challengers are made of cardboard, of course (just like all German tanks were before WW2.)
Posted by: anon | Sep 14 2023 21:06 utc | 813
Even though Russian troops have run out of shells, ammunition, tanks, planes, boots, socks and condoms, and are now armed only with shovels, they still manage to knock out Leopards and Challengers (with their shovels) whilst paralytic drunk on vodka with plummeting morale.
Just think what they could do if Putin manages to scrape together a few AK47s or even old PPSHs to give them, and if he could get them to sober up for a day or two!
They would be in Paris, London and Washington within a week!
Unless those Leopards and Challengers are made of cardboard, of course (just like all German tanks were before WW2.)
Posted by: anon | Sep 14 2023 21:06 utc | 814
LMAO like b says for every thread : « please make sure to attack fellow barflies. »
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 14 2023 21:45 utc | 815
LMAO like b says for every thread : « please make sure to attack fellow barflies. »
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 14 2023 21:45 utc | 816
Meanwhile, « Sarah Ashton-Cirillo » (the tranny Ukrainian spokesperson) apparently made death threats to journalists.
https://www.rt.com/russia/582950-ukraine-spokesperson-threat-propagandists/
Now the first thing I wonder is : is this person taking hormones, and if so, has it affected her frank n beans situation ?
Maybe judge Napolitano knows somebody who knows. Enquiring minds wanna know !
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 14 2023 22:09 utc | 817
Meanwhile, « Sarah Ashton-Cirillo » (the tranny Ukrainian spokesperson) apparently made death threats to journalists.
https://www.rt.com/russia/582950-ukraine-spokesperson-threat-propagandists/
Now the first thing I wonder is : is this person taking hormones, and if so, has it affected her frank n beans situation ?
Maybe judge Napolitano knows somebody who knows. Enquiring minds wanna know !
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 14 2023 22:09 utc | 818
@ Featherless | Sep 14 2023 22:09 utc | 410
A quick overview of Cirillo’s past (the Wikipedia is serviceable enough) ought to demonstrate that (s)he is both an attention seeker and unhinged to boot — the kind of person who will reinvent him/herself on a dime. Or maybe even for a dime.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 14 2023 22:39 utc | 819
@ Featherless | Sep 14 2023 22:09 utc | 410
A quick overview of Cirillo’s past (the Wikipedia is serviceable enough) ought to demonstrate that (s)he is both an attention seeker and unhinged to boot — the kind of person who will reinvent him/herself on a dime. Or maybe even for a dime.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 14 2023 22:39 utc | 820
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 14 2023 22:39 utc | 411
Oh yeah obvs. I just think, if she’s been taking hormones, she should be cuter by now. Maybe she’s off her hormones to be more physically robust, cause of being in a warzone, that would figure.
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 14 2023 23:15 utc | 821
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 14 2023 22:39 utc | 411
Oh yeah obvs. I just think, if she’s been taking hormones, she should be cuter by now. Maybe she’s off her hormones to be more physically robust, cause of being in a warzone, that would figure.
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 14 2023 23:15 utc | 822
Featherless: No, hormone treatment doesn’t make a M -to-F transexual any cuter. If one has a manly face as a guy and transitions, then as a female one will have the same mannish face, if without the beard stubble.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 14 2023 23:28 utc | 823
Featherless: No, hormone treatment doesn’t make a M -to-F transexual any cuter. If one has a manly face as a guy and transitions, then as a female one will have the same mannish face, if without the beard stubble.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 14 2023 23:28 utc | 824
Mario | Sep 14 2023 16:31 utc | 400
*** Now there is a great rumble for the lost of the kilo submarine ***
A UK submarine needs to be sunk.
Posted by: Cynic | Sep 14 2023 23:36 utc | 825
Mario | Sep 14 2023 16:31 utc | 400
*** Now there is a great rumble for the lost of the kilo submarine ***
A UK submarine needs to be sunk.
Posted by: Cynic | Sep 14 2023 23:36 utc | 826
Mario | Sep 14 2023 16:31 utc | 400
*** Now there is a great rumble for the lost of the kilo submarine ***
A UK submarine needs to be sunk.
Posted by: Cynic | Sep 14 2023 23:37 utc | 827
Mario | Sep 14 2023 16:31 utc | 400
*** Now there is a great rumble for the lost of the kilo submarine ***
A UK submarine needs to be sunk.
Posted by: Cynic | Sep 14 2023 23:37 utc | 828
@malenkov – cool, thank you. I’m doing research for a book.
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 15 2023 0:05 utc | 829
@malenkov – cool, thank you. I’m doing research for a book.
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 15 2023 0:05 utc | 830
From TG:
“Russian counter-battery has improved drastically the last few months. As Dima (MilSum) frequently points out now, Ukraine has to rely on HIMARS for regular artillery / CB duties.”
This could be one of the single most important things in this war.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 0:14 utc | 831
From TG:
“Russian counter-battery has improved drastically the last few months. As Dima (MilSum) frequently points out now, Ukraine has to rely on HIMARS for regular artillery / CB duties.”
This could be one of the single most important things in this war.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 0:14 utc | 832
“@malenkov – cool, thank you. I’m doing research for a book.”
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 15 2023 0:05 utc | 416
Good luck with your book. If you want to make an impact get a sex change.
Posted by: dh | Sep 15 2023 0:24 utc | 833
“@malenkov – cool, thank you. I’m doing research for a book.”
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 15 2023 0:05 utc | 416
Good luck with your book. If you want to make an impact get a sex change.
Posted by: dh | Sep 15 2023 0:24 utc | 834
@dh – thanks, but that sounds needlessly complicated. I think I’m gonna go with a F to M character, as those aren’t overdone yet, in our collective consciousness, so they still have a modicum of mystique, at least for now.
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 15 2023 0:52 utc | 835
@dh – thanks, but that sounds needlessly complicated. I think I’m gonna go with a F to M character, as those aren’t overdone yet, in our collective consciousness, so they still have a modicum of mystique, at least for now.
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 15 2023 0:52 utc | 836
Featherless | Sep 15 2023 0:52 utc | 419
Just trying to help. The mantra used to be ‘sex sells’ but it’s hard to keep up with all the new variations.
Posted by: dh | Sep 15 2023 0:58 utc | 837
Featherless | Sep 15 2023 0:52 utc | 419
Just trying to help. The mantra used to be ‘sex sells’ but it’s hard to keep up with all the new variations.
Posted by: dh | Sep 15 2023 0:58 utc | 838
Yesterday I asked essentially why the U.S. does not use diplomacy to build peaceful cooperation among nations, creating prosperity and opportunity for the world’s people.
I believe this is the desire of most common people in the U.S., especially white Heritage Americans, based in large part on their sincerely held Christian beliefs.
Clearly, the U.S.’s rogue government has different ideas.
I do my best, but this flies over the heads of media brainwashed or manipulated people.
Is it fair that under Hugo Grotius that the U.S. people should be punished for what is the action of government psychopaths? That is, the entirety of all media and press is to prevent Americans from discovering the truth; this only works if our leaders victimize the people first.
My thought is that the U.S. military industrial complex is the active and prime enemy of the American people, and that since they have elected to make war on us, then it is time to make war on them.
“The Great Chessboard” by Zbigniew Brzezinski outlines a geopolitical strategy for the United States in the post-Cold War era. Brzezinski’s ideas can be related to the MacKinder Doctrine and “The Hinge of the World” concept as follows:
1. MacKinder Doctrine: Brzezinski’s work can be seen as an extension of Sir Halford Mackinder’s geopolitical theory. Mackinder argued that controlling the Eurasian landmass was essential for global dominance. Brzezinski applies this idea to the modern world, emphasizing the importance of Eurasia as the “chessboard” where global power struggles take place. He suggests that whoever controls Eurasia can dominate the world, echoing Mackinder’s core concept.
2. The Hinge of the World: Brzezinski’s “The Hinge of the World” concept relates to his focus on Central Asia. He sees this region as a pivotal area due to its geographic location between Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. Control of Central Asia, particularly its energy resources, can provide a significant strategic advantage. This idea aligns with his broader strategy for the U.S. in Eurasia, emphasizing the importance of securing key regions like Central Asia to maintain global influence.
In summary, “The Great Chessboard” by Brzezinski builds upon the principles of the MacKinder Doctrine by emphasizing the importance of Eurasia and extends the concept by highlighting the strategic significance of Central Asia as the “Hinge of the World” in the modern geopolitical landscape.
Posted by: ECPtasking | Sep 15 2023 3:18 utc | 839
Yesterday I asked essentially why the U.S. does not use diplomacy to build peaceful cooperation among nations, creating prosperity and opportunity for the world’s people.
I believe this is the desire of most common people in the U.S., especially white Heritage Americans, based in large part on their sincerely held Christian beliefs.
Clearly, the U.S.’s rogue government has different ideas.
I do my best, but this flies over the heads of media brainwashed or manipulated people.
Is it fair that under Hugo Grotius that the U.S. people should be punished for what is the action of government psychopaths? That is, the entirety of all media and press is to prevent Americans from discovering the truth; this only works if our leaders victimize the people first.
My thought is that the U.S. military industrial complex is the active and prime enemy of the American people, and that since they have elected to make war on us, then it is time to make war on them.
“The Great Chessboard” by Zbigniew Brzezinski outlines a geopolitical strategy for the United States in the post-Cold War era. Brzezinski’s ideas can be related to the MacKinder Doctrine and “The Hinge of the World” concept as follows:
1. MacKinder Doctrine: Brzezinski’s work can be seen as an extension of Sir Halford Mackinder’s geopolitical theory. Mackinder argued that controlling the Eurasian landmass was essential for global dominance. Brzezinski applies this idea to the modern world, emphasizing the importance of Eurasia as the “chessboard” where global power struggles take place. He suggests that whoever controls Eurasia can dominate the world, echoing Mackinder’s core concept.
2. The Hinge of the World: Brzezinski’s “The Hinge of the World” concept relates to his focus on Central Asia. He sees this region as a pivotal area due to its geographic location between Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. Control of Central Asia, particularly its energy resources, can provide a significant strategic advantage. This idea aligns with his broader strategy for the U.S. in Eurasia, emphasizing the importance of securing key regions like Central Asia to maintain global influence.
In summary, “The Great Chessboard” by Brzezinski builds upon the principles of the MacKinder Doctrine by emphasizing the importance of Eurasia and extends the concept by highlighting the strategic significance of Central Asia as the “Hinge of the World” in the modern geopolitical landscape.
Posted by: ECPtasking | Sep 15 2023 3:18 utc | 840
Bloomberg reveals more about Germany’s Baerbock.
Texas is “a bellwether for America and for the future,” said Baerbock, 42, who spent a year in Florida as a high-school exchange student in the 1990s but is making her first visit to the Lone Star state. “It’s a state of extremes in a country of extremes.”
Posted by: too scents | Sep 15 2023 7:32 utc | 841
Bloomberg reveals more about Germany’s Baerbock.
Texas is “a bellwether for America and for the future,” said Baerbock, 42, who spent a year in Florida as a high-school exchange student in the 1990s but is making her first visit to the Lone Star state. “It’s a state of extremes in a country of extremes.”
Posted by: too scents | Sep 15 2023 7:32 utc | 842
The latest edition of the BBC’s The Real Story includes ret. Lt. Colonel Daniel Davis, who made it clear that Ukraine cannot achieve its announced objectives in the current counter offensive.
Evidently, those in charge are trying to allow some reality into the narrative.
Later commentary by others reiterated the official story, without directly contradicting Lt. Col. Davis.
Posted by: Peter VE | Sep 15 2023 7:44 utc | 843
The latest edition of the BBC’s The Real Story includes ret. Lt. Colonel Daniel Davis, who made it clear that Ukraine cannot achieve its announced objectives in the current counter offensive.
Evidently, those in charge are trying to allow some reality into the narrative.
Later commentary by others reiterated the official story, without directly contradicting Lt. Col. Davis.
Posted by: Peter VE | Sep 15 2023 7:44 utc | 844