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September 12, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-215
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Johnny55 @ 42
That is actually what Lee did. If they had listened to Gen. Longstreet they might have had a shot. Longstreet wanted to do what the MoD did after Kherson, dig in and go on defense, let the enemy come to them, war of attrition, meat grind Lincoln out of office. It wasn’t manly and bold, glorious, gung-ho rebel yell enough for Lee and the rest of the Confederate command. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2023 21:50 utc | 101 Johnny55 @ 42
That is actually what Lee did. If they had listened to Gen. Longstreet they might have had a shot. Longstreet wanted to do what the MoD did after Kherson, dig in and go on defense, let the enemy come to them, war of attrition, meat grind Lincoln out of office. It wasn’t manly and bold, glorious, gung-ho rebel yell enough for Lee and the rest of the Confederate command. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2023 21:50 utc | 102 Philadelphia, USA Posted by: Passerby | Sep 12 2023 21:52 utc | 103 Philadelphia, USA Posted by: Passerby | Sep 12 2023 21:52 utc | 104 What happened to Wagner? Beat me but there’s this: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2023 21:52 utc | 105 What happened to Wagner? Beat me but there’s this: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2023 21:52 utc | 106 Passerby @ 51
It ain’t Gary Indiana, Cleveland Ohio, Rochester NY anymore, the wasteland now extends to San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York. Let that sink in. The cancer has spread to every organ. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2023 22:02 utc | 107 Passerby @ 51
It ain’t Gary Indiana, Cleveland Ohio, Rochester NY anymore, the wasteland now extends to San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York. Let that sink in. The cancer has spread to every organ. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2023 22:02 utc | 108 @44Boo Posted by: Johnny | Sep 12 2023 22:06 utc | 109 @44Boo Posted by: Johnny | Sep 12 2023 22:06 utc | 110 “The Hanseatic League of the Middle Ages defined trade agreements for North Western Europe for quite some time. An early example of what some would put down as ‘globalism,’ whatever that is. Another ‘ism’ to be despised?” Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 22:07 utc | 111 “The Hanseatic League of the Middle Ages defined trade agreements for North Western Europe for quite some time. An early example of what some would put down as ‘globalism,’ whatever that is. Another ‘ism’ to be despised?” Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 22:07 utc | 112 From Ukrainian media!!!!! Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 12 2023 22:08 utc | 113 From Ukrainian media!!!!! Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 12 2023 22:08 utc | 114 Trubind1 #30 Posted by: Clear as mud now! | Sep 12 2023 22:16 utc | 115 Trubind1 #30 Posted by: Clear as mud now! | Sep 12 2023 22:16 utc | 116 Is there smoke, shooting and explosions in a war? Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 22:26 utc | 117 Is there smoke, shooting and explosions in a war? Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 22:26 utc | 118 North Korea has been sprung from prison. Its pals from the old gang had gone straight, Russia got a job as sheriff, China opened up a general store, both married, church going and respect by the town folk. Then it all went to hell and they had to get the gang back together for one last job. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2023 22:38 utc | 119 North Korea has been sprung from prison. Its pals from the old gang had gone straight, Russia got a job as sheriff, China opened up a general store, both married, church going and respect by the town folk. Then it all went to hell and they had to get the gang back together for one last job. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2023 22:38 utc | 120 Re: Posted by: Johnny | Sep 12 2023 21:12 utc | 40 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 22:42 utc | 121 Re: Posted by: Johnny | Sep 12 2023 21:12 utc | 40 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 22:42 utc | 122 RE:Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2023 22:38 utc | 59 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 22:45 utc | 123 RE:Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2023 22:38 utc | 59 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 22:45 utc | 124 ” The USA cannot threaten North Korea like Cuba did a long time ago, because of nuclear missiles and its own security and so on. Posted by: Shocked | Sep 12 2023 22:46 utc | 125 ” The USA cannot threaten North Korea like Cuba did a long time ago, because of nuclear missiles and its own security and so on. Posted by: Shocked | Sep 12 2023 22:46 utc | 126 Re: Posted by: Clear as mud now! | Sep 12 2023 22:16 utc | 57 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 22:50 utc | 127 Re: Posted by: Clear as mud now! | Sep 12 2023 22:16 utc | 57 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 22:50 utc | 128 57 u package lawn clippings as mulch or weed suppressant or such and price it accordingly . works for other industrial waste like flouride Posted by: hankster | Sep 12 2023 23:11 utc | 129 57 u package lawn clippings as mulch or weed suppressant or such and price it accordingly . works for other industrial waste like flouride Posted by: hankster | Sep 12 2023 23:11 utc | 130 Then why does it seem to threaten Russia which has a multitudes more of said nuclear missiles ? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 12 2023 23:13 utc | 131 Then why does it seem to threaten Russia which has a multitudes more of said nuclear missiles ? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 12 2023 23:13 utc | 132 The essay related to my post @ #65 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 12 2023 23:25 utc | 133 The essay related to my post @ #65 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 12 2023 23:25 utc | 134 “Back in January, a poll of Daily Express readers found that most wanted the UK to give more support to Ukraine to ‘end the war quicker’” Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 12 2023 23:33 utc | 135 “Back in January, a poll of Daily Express readers found that most wanted the UK to give more support to Ukraine to ‘end the war quicker’” Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 12 2023 23:33 utc | 136 Is there smoke, shooting and explosions in a war? Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 12 2023 23:42 utc | 137 Is there smoke, shooting and explosions in a war? Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 12 2023 23:42 utc | 138 Posted by: Shocked | Sep 12 2023 22:46 utc | 62 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 12 2023 23:43 utc | 139 Posted by: Shocked | Sep 12 2023 22:46 utc | 62 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 12 2023 23:43 utc | 140 RE: Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 12 2023 23:13 utc | 65 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 23:49 utc | 141 RE: Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 12 2023 23:13 utc | 65 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 23:49 utc | 142 Ammunition has a use by date. Russia getting old but still just usable shells en masse from the DPRK and then replacing them (in increments) with new manufacture ordnance makes sense to both sides. This conflict is incredibly shell hungry and most rational people know that Russia does not have an infinite supply. In fact Simplicius76 has repeatedly calculated the production rates per month and the amount Russia needs to build up to launch the big war ending offensives that he himself thinks are eventually coming. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 13 2023 0:16 utc | 143 Ammunition has a use by date. Russia getting old but still just usable shells en masse from the DPRK and then replacing them (in increments) with new manufacture ordnance makes sense to both sides. This conflict is incredibly shell hungry and most rational people know that Russia does not have an infinite supply. In fact Simplicius76 has repeatedly calculated the production rates per month and the amount Russia needs to build up to launch the big war ending offensives that he himself thinks are eventually coming. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 13 2023 0:16 utc | 144 In continuation of my last comment one of the most important reasons T 55 and T 62 tanks were pressed into use as IFVs and direct fire self propelled artillery was that this allowed Russia to use its otherwise unusable stock of 100mm and 115mm shells. And they’re doing a good job in that role as even this admits: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 13 2023 0:19 utc | 145 In continuation of my last comment one of the most important reasons T 55 and T 62 tanks were pressed into use as IFVs and direct fire self propelled artillery was that this allowed Russia to use its otherwise unusable stock of 100mm and 115mm shells. And they’re doing a good job in that role as even this admits: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 13 2023 0:19 utc | 146 LoveDonbass | Sep 12 2023 23:13 utc | 65 Posted by: SCCC | Sep 13 2023 0:29 utc | 147 LoveDonbass | Sep 12 2023 23:13 utc | 65 Posted by: SCCC | Sep 13 2023 0:29 utc | 148 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Sep 13 2023 0:30 utc | 149 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Sep 13 2023 0:30 utc | 150 Posted by: Johnny | Sep 12 2023 21:12 utc | 40 Posted by: Johnny | Sep 12 2023 21:12 utc | 40 Easy, put in a bag and throw over the fence while he’s at work! Posted by: SCCC | Sep 13 2023 0:36 utc | 153 Easy, put in a bag and throw over the fence while he’s at work! Posted by: SCCC | Sep 13 2023 0:36 utc | 154 Paul from Norway | Sep 12 2023 22:08 utc | 56 Posted by: dh | Sep 13 2023 0:54 utc | 155 Paul from Norway | Sep 12 2023 22:08 utc | 56 Posted by: dh | Sep 13 2023 0:54 utc | 156 Posted by: Constantine | Sep 12 2023 17:23 utc | 6 Posted by: Constantine | Sep 12 2023 17:23 utc | 6 Posted by: Johnny | Sep 12 2023 21:12 utc | 40 Posted by: Constantine | Sep 13 2023 1:05 utc | 159 Posted by: Johnny | Sep 12 2023 21:12 utc | 40 Posted by: Constantine | Sep 13 2023 1:05 utc | 160 Declan Hayes really went for the jugular in this article. Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 13 2023 1:11 utc | 161 Declan Hayes really went for the jugular in this article. Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 13 2023 1:11 utc | 162 Re: Posted by: Constantine | Sep 13 2023 1:05 utc | 80 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 13 2023 1:48 utc | 163 Re: Posted by: Constantine | Sep 13 2023 1:05 utc | 80 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 13 2023 1:48 utc | 164 Honestly find that interesting, I knew of (here’s another “ism”) Mercantilism and knew they had some rigorous trade route “laws”, but would have never thought of a “League”… Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 13 2023 3:14 utc | 165 Honestly find that interesting, I knew of (here’s another “ism”) Mercantilism and knew they had some rigorous trade route “laws”, but would have never thought of a “League”… Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 13 2023 3:14 utc | 166 A country without navy is winning a naval war against second army in the world. Maybe time for Russia to also put rubber tires on top of whatever ships remain in the black sea. Posted by: brotosscumloader | Sep 13 2023 3:23 utc | 167 A country without navy is winning a naval war against second army in the world. Maybe time for Russia to also put rubber tires on top of whatever ships remain in the black sea. Posted by: brotosscumloader | Sep 13 2023 3:23 utc | 168
Posted by: Sasuke Uchiha | Sep 13 2023 3:32 utc | 169
Posted by: Sasuke Uchiha | Sep 13 2023 3:32 utc | 170 Well, it looks like the rotting corpse of the empire of lies has just choosen our path as living beings on planet earth. Posted by: Robert Hope | Sep 13 2023 3:35 utc | 171 Well, it looks like the rotting corpse of the empire of lies has just choosen our path as living beings on planet earth. Posted by: Robert Hope | Sep 13 2023 3:35 utc | 172 Sevastopol Shipyard was hit. Posted by: Laurette | Sep 13 2023 3:41 utc | 173 Sevastopol Shipyard was hit. Posted by: Laurette | Sep 13 2023 3:41 utc | 174 Ukraine strikes Russian military base of drone operators Posted by: Putin’s Failure | Sep 13 2023 3:47 utc | 175 Ukraine strikes Russian military base of drone operators Posted by: Putin’s Failure | Sep 13 2023 3:47 utc | 176 Question: Posted by: Exile | Sep 13 2023 3:55 utc | 177 Question: Posted by: Exile | Sep 13 2023 3:55 utc | 178 And the SMO goes on… I’ve read a lot on the site over the last 18 months and IMO, a great source of information and varied opinion. This “SMO” reminds me of the Zulus at Rorke’s Drift Posted by: Trincolo | Sep 13 2023 4:11 utc | 179 And the SMO goes on… I’ve read a lot on the site over the last 18 months and IMO, a great source of information and varied opinion. This “SMO” reminds me of the Zulus at Rorke’s Drift Posted by: Trincolo | Sep 13 2023 4:11 utc | 180 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 13 2023 3:14 utc | 83 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 13 2023 4:11 utc | 181 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 13 2023 3:14 utc | 83 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 13 2023 4:11 utc | 182 ZH has a posting up about the Sevastopol bombing with the title
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 13 2023 4:15 utc | 183 ZH has a posting up about the Sevastopol bombing with the title
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 13 2023 4:15 utc | 184 Putin bragging about upcoming weapon systems applying “new physics” – Posted by: AG | Sep 13 2023 4:19 utc | 185 Putin bragging about upcoming weapon systems applying “new physics” – Posted by: AG | Sep 13 2023 4:19 utc | 186 Has anyone else noticed how the West chooses the BRICS or the AFRICAN SUMMIT or the current Kim Un & EEF to do really nasty and escalating stuff? Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 13 2023 4:20 utc | 187 Has anyone else noticed how the West chooses the BRICS or the AFRICAN SUMMIT or the current Kim Un & EEF to do really nasty and escalating stuff? Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 13 2023 4:20 utc | 188 Sevastopol Shipyard was hit. Posted by: Jerr | Sep 13 2023 4:25 utc | 189 Sevastopol Shipyard was hit. Posted by: Jerr | Sep 13 2023 4:25 utc | 190 As far as Ukraine, I don’t even care about that pipsqueak failed state… I think we’re reaching a point of seeing the Duma recalling staff and closing Embassies within the next few months. Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 13 2023 4:29 utc | 191 As far as Ukraine, I don’t even care about that pipsqueak failed state… I think we’re reaching a point of seeing the Duma recalling staff and closing Embassies within the next few months. Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 13 2023 4:29 utc | 192 Ukrainian military attacked Sevastopol with 10 missiles and 3 naval drones; 7 missiles were shot down, 3 drones were destroyed by patrol ship Vasyliy Bykov, 2 ships were damaged at ship repairment plant Posted by: bazabazon | Sep 13 2023 4:33 utc | 193 Ukrainian military attacked Sevastopol with 10 missiles and 3 naval drones; 7 missiles were shot down, 3 drones were destroyed by patrol ship Vasyliy Bykov, 2 ships were damaged at ship repairment plant Posted by: bazabazon | Sep 13 2023 4:33 utc | 194 those satellites and any feeding ukraine-nato are on borrowed time.. Posted by: james | Sep 13 2023 4:36 utc | 195 those satellites and any feeding ukraine-nato are on borrowed time.. Posted by: james | Sep 13 2023 4:36 utc | 196
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19621 Posted by: Down South | Sep 13 2023 4:43 utc | 197
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