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September 12, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-215

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

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As promised in the last thread. If you think it’s tasteless my defence is unbeatable: the BBC made me do it!
“Living Next Door To Putin”
Music by Chinn/Chapman
Lyrics by Annalena Charlotte Alma Baerbock

Biden called when he got the word
And he said: “I suppose you’ve heard
About Putin”
When I rushed to the window
And I looked outside
And I could hardly believe my eyes
As a big limousine rolled up
Into Putins drive…
Oh, I don’t know why he’s leaving
Or where he’s gonna go
I guess he’s got his reasons
But I just don’t want to know
‘Cos for forty-three years
I’ve been living next door to Putin
Forty-three years just waiting for a chance
To tell him how I feel, and maybe get a second glance
Now I’ve got to get used to not living next door to Putin…
We’d hang out together
Two kids in the park
We carved our initials
Deep in the bark
Me and Putin
Now he walks through the door
With his head held high
Just for a moment, I caught his eye
As a big limousine pulled slowly
Out of Putin’s drive
Oh, I don’t know why he’s leaving
Or where he’s gonna go
I guess he’s got his reasons
But I just don’t want to know
‘Cos for forty-three years
I’ve been living next door to Putin
Forty-three years just waiting for a chance
To tell him how I feel, and maybe get a second glance
Now I gotta get used to not living next door to Putin …
And Biden called back and asked how I felt
And he said: “I know how to help
Get over Putin”
He said: “Now Putin is gone
But I’m still here
You know I’ve been waiting
For forty-three years…”
And a big limousine disappeared…
I don’t know why he’s leaving
Or where he’s gonna go
I guess he’s got his reasons
But I just don’t want to know
‘Cos for forty-three years
I’ve been living next door to Putin
Forty-three years just waiting for a chance
To tell him how I feel, and maybe get a second glance
But I’ll never get used to not living next door to Putin…

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 12 2023 17:02 utc | 1

As promised in the last thread. If you think it’s tasteless my defence is unbeatable: the BBC made me do it!
“Living Next Door To Putin”
Music by Chinn/Chapman
Lyrics by Annalena Charlotte Alma Baerbock

Biden called when he got the word
And he said: “I suppose you’ve heard
About Putin”
When I rushed to the window
And I looked outside
And I could hardly believe my eyes
As a big limousine rolled up
Into Putins drive…
Oh, I don’t know why he’s leaving
Or where he’s gonna go
I guess he’s got his reasons
But I just don’t want to know
‘Cos for forty-three years
I’ve been living next door to Putin
Forty-three years just waiting for a chance
To tell him how I feel, and maybe get a second glance
Now I’ve got to get used to not living next door to Putin…
We’d hang out together
Two kids in the park
We carved our initials
Deep in the bark
Me and Putin
Now he walks through the door
With his head held high
Just for a moment, I caught his eye
As a big limousine pulled slowly
Out of Putin’s drive
Oh, I don’t know why he’s leaving
Or where he’s gonna go
I guess he’s got his reasons
But I just don’t want to know
‘Cos for forty-three years
I’ve been living next door to Putin
Forty-three years just waiting for a chance
To tell him how I feel, and maybe get a second glance
Now I gotta get used to not living next door to Putin …
And Biden called back and asked how I felt
And he said: “I know how to help
Get over Putin”
He said: “Now Putin is gone
But I’m still here
You know I’ve been waiting
For forty-three years…”
And a big limousine disappeared…
I don’t know why he’s leaving
Or where he’s gonna go
I guess he’s got his reasons
But I just don’t want to know
‘Cos for forty-three years
I’ve been living next door to Putin
Forty-three years just waiting for a chance
To tell him how I feel, and maybe get a second glance
But I’ll never get used to not living next door to Putin…

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 12 2023 17:02 utc | 2

“Ukraine’s objectives ‘no longer aligned with’ West’s as Russia ‘no longer a threat’
Questions are beginning to be asked on whether it is actually in Britain and America’s interests to give Ukraine such strong financial support.
Back in January, a poll of Daily Express readers found that most wanted the UK to give more support to Ukraine to ‘end the war quicker’. However, that was eight months ago and – with Russia digging in – the war shows no sign of ending anytime soon.
Some analysts now believe that – as the war grinds on – continuing to write cheques for Urkaine may longer be in the West’s best interests. And a recent CNN poll shows that most Americans oppose Congress authorising additional funding to support Ukraine.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1811208/Ukraine-no-longer-aligned-with-west

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 12 2023 17:06 utc | 3

“Ukraine’s objectives ‘no longer aligned with’ West’s as Russia ‘no longer a threat’
Questions are beginning to be asked on whether it is actually in Britain and America’s interests to give Ukraine such strong financial support.
Back in January, a poll of Daily Express readers found that most wanted the UK to give more support to Ukraine to ‘end the war quicker’. However, that was eight months ago and – with Russia digging in – the war shows no sign of ending anytime soon.
Some analysts now believe that – as the war grinds on – continuing to write cheques for Urkaine may longer be in the West’s best interests. And a recent CNN poll shows that most Americans oppose Congress authorising additional funding to support Ukraine.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1811208/Ukraine-no-longer-aligned-with-west

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 12 2023 17:06 utc | 4

“U.S. Army Refuses to Modernize Abrams Tanks, Not Fit for Battle: Defense News
The U.S. military has canceled a planned upgrade of the Abrams tank, citing the tank’s weight and vulnerability to enemy weapons, Defense News reported.
Stephen Bryan, a former deputy vice secretary of defense and security strategy expert, said the Abrams tank could no longer survive on today’s battlefield.
Heavy European tanks and armored vehicles are struggling in the mud and fuel shortages in Ukraine. They are also vulnerable to enemy fire. The German Leopard tank, which was considered better than the Abrams tank, did not perform well, Stephen Brian stressed.”
https://obektivno.bg/amerikanskata-armiya-se-otkaza-ot-modernizacziya-na-tankovete-ejbras-ne-sa-godni-za-bitka-defense-news/
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/09/06/us-army-scraps-abrams-tank-upgrade-unveils-new-modernization-plan/

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 12 2023 17:09 utc | 5

“U.S. Army Refuses to Modernize Abrams Tanks, Not Fit for Battle: Defense News
The U.S. military has canceled a planned upgrade of the Abrams tank, citing the tank’s weight and vulnerability to enemy weapons, Defense News reported.
Stephen Bryan, a former deputy vice secretary of defense and security strategy expert, said the Abrams tank could no longer survive on today’s battlefield.
Heavy European tanks and armored vehicles are struggling in the mud and fuel shortages in Ukraine. They are also vulnerable to enemy fire. The German Leopard tank, which was considered better than the Abrams tank, did not perform well, Stephen Brian stressed.”
https://obektivno.bg/amerikanskata-armiya-se-otkaza-ot-modernizacziya-na-tankovete-ejbras-ne-sa-godni-za-bitka-defense-news/
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/09/06/us-army-scraps-abrams-tank-upgrade-unveils-new-modernization-plan/

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 12 2023 17:09 utc | 6

And a recent CNN poll shows that most Americans oppose Congress authorising additional funding to support Ukraine.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1811208/Ukraine-no-longer-aligned-with-west
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 12 2023 17:06 utc | 2
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CNN is not leading the parade. They are using the wet finger approach.
Stick it in the air and see which way the wind blows. Nice to know that they are interested.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 12 2023 17:10 utc | 7

And a recent CNN poll shows that most Americans oppose Congress authorising additional funding to support Ukraine.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1811208/Ukraine-no-longer-aligned-with-west
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 12 2023 17:06 utc | 2
—————————————————————
CNN is not leading the parade. They are using the wet finger approach.
Stick it in the air and see which way the wind blows. Nice to know that they are interested.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 12 2023 17:10 utc | 8

So what will the sanctions be?
And letting aside the breath taking hypocrisy and absurdity of the statement.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/12/kim-jong-un-arrives-russia-vladivostok-vladimir-putin-meeting

Posted by: jpc | Sep 12 2023 17:21 utc | 9

So what will the sanctions be?
And letting aside the breath taking hypocrisy and absurdity of the statement.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/12/kim-jong-un-arrives-russia-vladivostok-vladimir-putin-meeting

Posted by: jpc | Sep 12 2023 17:21 utc | 10

One has to wonder what is this bruhaha with Elon Musk supposedly abandoning Ukraine. The statement that extended use of Starlink/Space X for major escalations would be a step to WW3 smacks of obfuscating bullcrap.
Perhaps I’m too suspicious byt now. But I cannot shake the idea that they are proceeding with a new escalation and they are using as much smokescreen as possible.
Plus, iy is a bit odd that Musk would be allowed to handicap the war effort of NATO in the most important conflict it has been involved. This is a do-or-die moment and the suggestion that a single oligarch might be allowed to inject his own views and options into the collision course opted by the imperialists seems somewhat absurd to me.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 12 2023 17:23 utc | 11

One has to wonder what is this bruhaha with Elon Musk supposedly abandoning Ukraine. The statement that extended use of Starlink/Space X for major escalations would be a step to WW3 smacks of obfuscating bullcrap.
Perhaps I’m too suspicious byt now. But I cannot shake the idea that they are proceeding with a new escalation and they are using as much smokescreen as possible.
Plus, iy is a bit odd that Musk would be allowed to handicap the war effort of NATO in the most important conflict it has been involved. This is a do-or-die moment and the suggestion that a single oligarch might be allowed to inject his own views and options into the collision course opted by the imperialists seems somewhat absurd to me.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 12 2023 17:23 utc | 12

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 12 2023 17:06 utc | 2
Questions are beginning to be asked on whether it is actually in Britain and America’s interests to give Ukraine such strong financial support.
But the article says those questions exist because Sean Bell, a former RAF Air Vice-Marshal and Ministry of Defence (MoD) staffer, suggests that the war has weakened Russia to such an extent that it “no longer poses a credible threat to Europe”. People here insist on the opposite, that the war has not weakened Russia in the slightest. And the article still begins with Western political leaders were unified in condemning Vladimir Putin’s regime for illegally invading its neighbour in February 2022.
Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 12 2023 17:02 utc | 1
Now I gotta get used to not living next door to Putin …
If he kept living next door to you, he throw you out your window eventually.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 12 2023 17:25 utc | 13

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 12 2023 17:06 utc | 2
Questions are beginning to be asked on whether it is actually in Britain and America’s interests to give Ukraine such strong financial support.
But the article says those questions exist because Sean Bell, a former RAF Air Vice-Marshal and Ministry of Defence (MoD) staffer, suggests that the war has weakened Russia to such an extent that it “no longer poses a credible threat to Europe”. People here insist on the opposite, that the war has not weakened Russia in the slightest. And the article still begins with Western political leaders were unified in condemning Vladimir Putin’s regime for illegally invading its neighbour in February 2022.
Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 12 2023 17:02 utc | 1
Now I gotta get used to not living next door to Putin …
If he kept living next door to you, he throw you out your window eventually.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 12 2023 17:25 utc | 14

Heavy European tanks and armored vehicles are struggling in the mud and fuel shortages in Ukraine. They are also vulnerable to enemy fire. The German Leopard tank, which was considered better than the Abrams tank, did not perform well

Wow. Did they finally let the realists out of the dungeons?

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 12 2023 17:29 utc | 15

Heavy European tanks and armored vehicles are struggling in the mud and fuel shortages in Ukraine. They are also vulnerable to enemy fire. The German Leopard tank, which was considered better than the Abrams tank, did not perform well

Wow. Did they finally let the realists out of the dungeons?

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 12 2023 17:29 utc | 16

If he kept living next door to you, he throw you out your window eventually.
You must’ve had it coming.

Posted by: Fred777 | Sep 12 2023 17:33 utc | 17

If he kept living next door to you, he throw you out your window eventually.
You must’ve had it coming.

Posted by: Fred777 | Sep 12 2023 17:33 utc | 18

Inkan Inkan. You do realize there is a specific word here? Defensetration. It’s a beautiful word really.
I’m afraid I disagree with you, I would far rather be Putins neighbour than Bidens and worry not at all about windows. But hey what do I know I’m only referencing the behavior of Maerica over the past 70 years, which has engaged in more wars of choice than any other nation I am aware of.
How do you feel about Poland getting suited up to be the next Maerican proxy to use to attack Russia? It’s all so predictable.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 12 2023 17:36 utc | 19

Inkan Inkan. You do realize there is a specific word here? Defensetration. It’s a beautiful word really.
I’m afraid I disagree with you, I would far rather be Putins neighbour than Bidens and worry not at all about windows. But hey what do I know I’m only referencing the behavior of Maerica over the past 70 years, which has engaged in more wars of choice than any other nation I am aware of.
How do you feel about Poland getting suited up to be the next Maerican proxy to use to attack Russia? It’s all so predictable.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 12 2023 17:36 utc | 20

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 12 2023 17:25 utc | 7
I’ve been living next door to him for 51 years, so far so good. The house where I’m currently at — in the eastern most part of Sweden — has it windows about a meter above ground level. If Putin threw me out of one of them I’d be surprised but hardly bruised.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 12 2023 17:43 utc | 21

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 12 2023 17:25 utc | 7
I’ve been living next door to him for 51 years, so far so good. The house where I’m currently at — in the eastern most part of Sweden — has it windows about a meter above ground level. If Putin threw me out of one of them I’d be surprised but hardly bruised.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 12 2023 17:43 utc | 22

Now I gotta get used to not living next door to Putin …
If he kept living next door to you, he throw you out your window eventually.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 12 2023 17:25 utc | 7
Actually, I bet he throws a hell of a party. And if he lived next door and you weren’t a threat to him (or an arseh*le), I bet he’d invite you over.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 12 2023 17:50 utc | 23

Now I gotta get used to not living next door to Putin …
If he kept living next door to you, he throw you out your window eventually.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 12 2023 17:25 utc | 7
Actually, I bet he throws a hell of a party. And if he lived next door and you weren’t a threat to him (or an arseh*le), I bet he’d invite you over.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 12 2023 17:50 utc | 24

Unless there is a good point to be made, it would be advisable for barflies to follow the golden rule and stop feeding the Inkanafo fascist troll.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 12 2023 17:52 utc | 25

Unless there is a good point to be made, it would be advisable for barflies to follow the golden rule and stop feeding the Inkanafo fascist troll.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 12 2023 17:52 utc | 26

Unless there is a good point to be made, it would be advisable for barflies to follow the golden rule and stop feeding the Inkanafo fascist troll.
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 12 2023 17:52 utc | 13
I wholeheartedly agree with your comment, but in this case I don’t think of it as feeding as much as mocking.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 12 2023 17:58 utc | 27

Unless there is a good point to be made, it would be advisable for barflies to follow the golden rule and stop feeding the Inkanafo fascist troll.
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 12 2023 17:52 utc | 13
I wholeheartedly agree with your comment, but in this case I don’t think of it as feeding as much as mocking.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 12 2023 17:58 utc | 28

RE: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/12/kim-jong-un-arrives-russia-vladivostok-vladimir-putin-meeting
Posted by: jpc | Sep 12 2023 17:21 utc | 5
The MSM & every news channel here is ad naseum running the same ridiculous hype & speculation. I thought we’d gotten past the “running out…” mantra, but no…
I can honestly say…I haven’t seen the media et el so triggered this badly since the day of “Putins invasion”…
You’d think by this coverage, that Kim Yong Un just invaded Poland. Looks like another major “plan” by US just wrecked.
It’s wild here about him.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 18:11 utc | 29

RE: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/12/kim-jong-un-arrives-russia-vladivostok-vladimir-putin-meeting
Posted by: jpc | Sep 12 2023 17:21 utc | 5
The MSM & every news channel here is ad naseum running the same ridiculous hype & speculation. I thought we’d gotten past the “running out…” mantra, but no…
I can honestly say…I haven’t seen the media et el so triggered this badly since the day of “Putins invasion”…
You’d think by this coverage, that Kim Yong Un just invaded Poland. Looks like another major “plan” by US just wrecked.
It’s wild here about him.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 18:11 utc | 30

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 18:11 utc | 15
It’s not that Russia really needs ammo from NK, but certainly they wouldn’t mind having it. Jake Sullivan from the White House was furious about this, and the reason is obviously that NK can add to the SMO war effort with a pretty hefty weight, when compared to the entire EU industry. It basically negates any industrial war effort EU can muster.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 12 2023 18:18 utc | 31

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 18:11 utc | 15
It’s not that Russia really needs ammo from NK, but certainly they wouldn’t mind having it. Jake Sullivan from the White House was furious about this, and the reason is obviously that NK can add to the SMO war effort with a pretty hefty weight, when compared to the entire EU industry. It basically negates any industrial war effort EU can muster.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 12 2023 18:18 utc | 32

If he kept living next door to you, he throw you out your window eventually.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 12 2023 17:25 utc | 7
You must know, Putin being a judo master, doesn’t need a window to throw you out of …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 12 2023 18:19 utc | 33

If he kept living next door to you, he throw you out your window eventually.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 12 2023 17:25 utc | 7
You must know, Putin being a judo master, doesn’t need a window to throw you out of …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 12 2023 18:19 utc | 34

Replying to unimperator @16 – I remeber seeing early on in the SMO that Russian Artillery Crews had Ammo Crates with early 1970’s Date Markings.
Using up Older Ammo is just common sense (I do it with Rifle and Pistol Ammo) and then re-stocking with New. Like Russia, North Korea has Millions of Cold-War Era Shells piled in the Bunkers, and it would be a good gesture on the part of Russia to Buy it, and maybe Trade some Newer stuff as well.

Posted by: Gryphon | Sep 12 2023 18:47 utc | 35

Replying to unimperator @16 – I remeber seeing early on in the SMO that Russian Artillery Crews had Ammo Crates with early 1970’s Date Markings.
Using up Older Ammo is just common sense (I do it with Rifle and Pistol Ammo) and then re-stocking with New. Like Russia, North Korea has Millions of Cold-War Era Shells piled in the Bunkers, and it would be a good gesture on the part of Russia to Buy it, and maybe Trade some Newer stuff as well.

Posted by: Gryphon | Sep 12 2023 18:47 utc | 36

Oct4th turn OFF phone&tv

Posted by: Timewilltell | Sep 12 2023 18:50 utc | 37

Oct4th turn OFF phone&tv

Posted by: Timewilltell | Sep 12 2023 18:50 utc | 38

I used to be on several list serves (one very large one that b was on too). For years I quipped on those lists about Putin eating the West’s leader’s lunch. He’s doing it again. Quietly, calmly, with that little smirk he gets.
There’s no doubt he tried to avoid this and none that he’d prefer it to be over with a reasonable negotiated settlement. But he was left with two bad choices, so he took the least bad and is maximizing it. He’s not “doing it right” and that’s the most frustrating thing to DC. He was supposed to topple Zelensky and get an insurgency. He was supposed to over react to all the escalations and sanctions. He was supposed to do what the US would do if the US were in Russia’s position. And he’s done essentially the opposite.
You can call it X-dimensional chess, but it isn’t. It’s just thoughtful and rational behavior based on understanding yourself and your opponent. Plus actually acting rather than preening for the media.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 12 2023 19:03 utc | 39

I used to be on several list serves (one very large one that b was on too). For years I quipped on those lists about Putin eating the West’s leader’s lunch. He’s doing it again. Quietly, calmly, with that little smirk he gets.
There’s no doubt he tried to avoid this and none that he’d prefer it to be over with a reasonable negotiated settlement. But he was left with two bad choices, so he took the least bad and is maximizing it. He’s not “doing it right” and that’s the most frustrating thing to DC. He was supposed to topple Zelensky and get an insurgency. He was supposed to over react to all the escalations and sanctions. He was supposed to do what the US would do if the US were in Russia’s position. And he’s done essentially the opposite.
You can call it X-dimensional chess, but it isn’t. It’s just thoughtful and rational behavior based on understanding yourself and your opponent. Plus actually acting rather than preening for the media.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 12 2023 19:03 utc | 40

One has to wonder what is this bruhaha with Elon Musk supposedly abandoning Ukraine.
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 12 2023 17:23 utc | 6
He’s just being (crudely, if I may say) made into the current Trump-like “white hat” saviour, so that people stay pacified, distracted and inactive (“Trust the plan! Elon is on it! He’ll drain the swamp!”) while they’re being led to the butchery.
What did trusting and waiting for Trump get the world? Covid, biolabs, vaccines, lockdowns, Ukraine war groundwork. What’s waiting for Elon/RFK/Trump/Tucker going to get the world? Covid 2.0, more vaccines, “15 minute” prison cities, food collapse, world war III, societal destruction, digital id’s and digital money, martial law (because of covid 2.0), WHO takeover.

Posted by: Jusses | Sep 12 2023 19:06 utc | 41

One has to wonder what is this bruhaha with Elon Musk supposedly abandoning Ukraine.
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 12 2023 17:23 utc | 6
He’s just being (crudely, if I may say) made into the current Trump-like “white hat” saviour, so that people stay pacified, distracted and inactive (“Trust the plan! Elon is on it! He’ll drain the swamp!”) while they’re being led to the butchery.
What did trusting and waiting for Trump get the world? Covid, biolabs, vaccines, lockdowns, Ukraine war groundwork. What’s waiting for Elon/RFK/Trump/Tucker going to get the world? Covid 2.0, more vaccines, “15 minute” prison cities, food collapse, world war III, societal destruction, digital id’s and digital money, martial law (because of covid 2.0), WHO takeover.

Posted by: Jusses | Sep 12 2023 19:06 utc | 42

Since Russia and its SloMO quest is always under attack for being too slow, too relaxed and so on, I’ll just repost what someone posted somewhere or other

Zbigniew Brzezinski
– We cannot let any country’s economic ability to be selfsufficient … means potential military power
– In order to prevent any country to threaten us militarily, we have to prevent it from developing economically
(America’s nightmare Brzezinski wrote, was …)
-If Europa and Russia become prosperous we cannot control them any more, and there will be no reason to have NATO
– We got to stop Russia, and the place to stop …. is to split (Europa/Russia) down the border of Ukraine
– Let us support the crazies … as in Afghanistan
“Brzezinski has no doubt about the Europeans. They are totally defanged, under control, unable to present any actual or potential danger for Anglo-American dominance. They will keep obeying every order against their sovereignty and basic economic interests; they will masochistically strengthen the NATO cage; and they will be progressively and irreversibly weakened to irrelevance and chaos by the well-organized migrations from the South”

So yes, the US does try and prevent anyone anywhere from developing economically, and being allies of the US is downright deadly (Europe). Furthermore, its best to split Europe and Russia down the border of Ukraine by supporting the crazies (NAZIS), and of course blowing up NordStream. So the US doesn’t want to win in Ukraine, they just want ruin things for Russia in Europe, and destroy Europe as well because Europeans are stupid, and a potential threat to the US if Europe becomes to strong. Anyway, a scorched earth Europe is best just in case Russia wins, so the more migrations from Africa and MENA into Europe the better.
Russia is aware of this, so the SloMO does not rock the boat too much, its just grinds slowly ahead. Meanwhile the Russians try and be as nice to the Europeans as possible, and even trade with the Europeans, to keep the intended split between Russia and Europe from occurring. But all the while the Russians know that Europe is going down the drain with the “well-organized migrations from the South”, so the longer the SloMO lasts the weaker Europe gets anyway. NATO is therefore not a threat to Russia in the long term, no need to go all ballistic over something which is not a threat, the SloMO just accelerates Europe demise. Just a pity about the agriculturally superior black earth region in Ukraine becoming all DU’ed, but there are always casualties in war.
I wonder how France is keeping things in check there with the Rugby World Cup, they must have bribed the Yellow Vests and the Muslims a lot to get them to behave themselves during the competition.

Posted by: gT | Sep 12 2023 19:08 utc | 43

Since Russia and its SloMO quest is always under attack for being too slow, too relaxed and so on, I’ll just repost what someone posted somewhere or other

Zbigniew Brzezinski
– We cannot let any country’s economic ability to be selfsufficient … means potential military power
– In order to prevent any country to threaten us militarily, we have to prevent it from developing economically
(America’s nightmare Brzezinski wrote, was …)
-If Europa and Russia become prosperous we cannot control them any more, and there will be no reason to have NATO
– We got to stop Russia, and the place to stop …. is to split (Europa/Russia) down the border of Ukraine
– Let us support the crazies … as in Afghanistan
“Brzezinski has no doubt about the Europeans. They are totally defanged, under control, unable to present any actual or potential danger for Anglo-American dominance. They will keep obeying every order against their sovereignty and basic economic interests; they will masochistically strengthen the NATO cage; and they will be progressively and irreversibly weakened to irrelevance and chaos by the well-organized migrations from the South”

So yes, the US does try and prevent anyone anywhere from developing economically, and being allies of the US is downright deadly (Europe). Furthermore, its best to split Europe and Russia down the border of Ukraine by supporting the crazies (NAZIS), and of course blowing up NordStream. So the US doesn’t want to win in Ukraine, they just want ruin things for Russia in Europe, and destroy Europe as well because Europeans are stupid, and a potential threat to the US if Europe becomes to strong. Anyway, a scorched earth Europe is best just in case Russia wins, so the more migrations from Africa and MENA into Europe the better.
Russia is aware of this, so the SloMO does not rock the boat too much, its just grinds slowly ahead. Meanwhile the Russians try and be as nice to the Europeans as possible, and even trade with the Europeans, to keep the intended split between Russia and Europe from occurring. But all the while the Russians know that Europe is going down the drain with the “well-organized migrations from the South”, so the longer the SloMO lasts the weaker Europe gets anyway. NATO is therefore not a threat to Russia in the long term, no need to go all ballistic over something which is not a threat, the SloMO just accelerates Europe demise. Just a pity about the agriculturally superior black earth region in Ukraine becoming all DU’ed, but there are always casualties in war.
I wonder how France is keeping things in check there with the Rugby World Cup, they must have bribed the Yellow Vests and the Muslims a lot to get them to behave themselves during the competition.

Posted by: gT | Sep 12 2023 19:08 utc | 44

Ukraine has lost! NATO has lost!
Russia has WON the only question is do you want tanks in Berlin and Paris!!!
500k North Korean Soldiers are in route along with 350k Russian Reserves.

Posted by: Peace | Sep 12 2023 19:14 utc | 45

Ukraine has lost! NATO has lost!
Russia has WON the only question is do you want tanks in Berlin and Paris!!!
500k North Korean Soldiers are in route along with 350k Russian Reserves.

Posted by: Peace | Sep 12 2023 19:14 utc | 46

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 12 2023 17:02 utc | 1
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I was actually waiting for that!

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 12 2023 19:17 utc | 47

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 12 2023 17:02 utc | 1
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I was actually waiting for that!

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 12 2023 19:17 utc | 48

CIA overthrew the gov’t of Ukraine in 2014, just one of over 6 dozen CIA ‘interventions’ in my lifetime. Now Blackrock et al. is ‘buying’ up the assets/ownership of Ukraine. My question – Has the CIA ever overthrown a multinational corporation?

Posted by: Eric Blair | Sep 12 2023 19:21 utc | 49

CIA overthrew the gov’t of Ukraine in 2014, just one of over 6 dozen CIA ‘interventions’ in my lifetime. Now Blackrock et al. is ‘buying’ up the assets/ownership of Ukraine. My question – Has the CIA ever overthrown a multinational corporation?

Posted by: Eric Blair | Sep 12 2023 19:21 utc | 50

Putin accused British intelligence service for attempting to attacking RU nuclear power plant.
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1701680049353523214

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 12 2023 19:33 utc | 51

Putin accused British intelligence service for attempting to attacking RU nuclear power plant.
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1701680049353523214

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 12 2023 19:33 utc | 52

Dima says tonight that Ukrainians are still able to push forward.
I do not understand how they cannot be stopped.

Posted by: simplex | Sep 12 2023 19:43 utc | 53

Dima says tonight that Ukrainians are still able to push forward.
I do not understand how they cannot be stopped.

Posted by: simplex | Sep 12 2023 19:43 utc | 54

The insane, precious, spoiled, deluded, entitled thinking of Kiev is summed up nicely here, from RT this morning:
“Kiev will lobby for its right to export grain into Poland under World Trade Organization rules, Ukrainian Prime Minister Denis Shmygal has declared”.
Now, I would have thought that it is an IMPORTER’S right to choose what they allow into their country or not. You cannot force exports into another country. Lmao. No contracts, therefore no goods, no money. Ukraine is always free to “export” its grains into the black Sea, ie dump them.
Funny that, Russia, despite being severally sanctioned, found other sources and markets for its economy. Maybe Ukraine doesn’t have any friends! What a bunch of entitled cocks.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 12 2023 19:47 utc | 55

The insane, precious, spoiled, deluded, entitled thinking of Kiev is summed up nicely here, from RT this morning:
“Kiev will lobby for its right to export grain into Poland under World Trade Organization rules, Ukrainian Prime Minister Denis Shmygal has declared”.
Now, I would have thought that it is an IMPORTER’S right to choose what they allow into their country or not. You cannot force exports into another country. Lmao. No contracts, therefore no goods, no money. Ukraine is always free to “export” its grains into the black Sea, ie dump them.
Funny that, Russia, despite being severally sanctioned, found other sources and markets for its economy. Maybe Ukraine doesn’t have any friends! What a bunch of entitled cocks.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 12 2023 19:47 utc | 56

Dima says tonight that Ukrainians are still able to push forward.
I do not understand how they cannot be stopped.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 12 2023 19:43 utc | 26
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Simplex, I’m starting to think you are trolling, or else just very very simple. There have been innunerable posts here and all over those YouTube sitrep channels you frequent, as well as top quality military analysis by Ritter and McGregor and Berletic et al, that Russia is letting Ukraine move forwards and backwards in tactics which best clobber men and machinery. It’s a cat and mouse game for Russia.
Do try to think deeper than the surface, keep up with a broader range of war commentary, and not post your trivial concern nonsense.
If you ARE sincere, don’t worry. Russia’s doing fine on the front. But Dima is a drama queen who structures his headlines and narratives to APPEAR unbiased, attract both supporters, avoid YT shutdown, and MAKE MONEY. Nothing is as simple as it looks, simplex.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 12 2023 20:04 utc | 57

Dima says tonight that Ukrainians are still able to push forward.
I do not understand how they cannot be stopped.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 12 2023 19:43 utc | 26
####
Simplex, I’m starting to think you are trolling, or else just very very simple. There have been innunerable posts here and all over those YouTube sitrep channels you frequent, as well as top quality military analysis by Ritter and McGregor and Berletic et al, that Russia is letting Ukraine move forwards and backwards in tactics which best clobber men and machinery. It’s a cat and mouse game for Russia.
Do try to think deeper than the surface, keep up with a broader range of war commentary, and not post your trivial concern nonsense.
If you ARE sincere, don’t worry. Russia’s doing fine on the front. But Dima is a drama queen who structures his headlines and narratives to APPEAR unbiased, attract both supporters, avoid YT shutdown, and MAKE MONEY. Nothing is as simple as it looks, simplex.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 12 2023 20:04 utc | 58

I thought at first Alex Christoforou from Duran would be joking, when he reported in his video today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sKHeGzbuu4
that the German customs would not only confiscate cars from Russian tourists, but might also start confiscating their other personal goods such als mobile telephones, shampoo, toilet paper (clown world!). He apparently referred to a Russian language article
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/10/09/2023/64fc726c9a79471818cd2333
which was quoted with a malicious headline in the German „Berliner Zeitung“

Russians shocked: The EU bans the import of private cars, cell phones and even suitcases

https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/wirtschaft-verantwortung/russen-schockiert-die-eu-verbietet-einfuhr-von-privaten-autos-handys-und-sogar-reisekoffern-li.387736
Indeed, both the Commission (answering question 13)
https://finance.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2023-09/faqs-sanctions-russia-listed-goods_en.pdf
and the German government (answer to question 22)
https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/20/079/2007945.pdf
alleged, that the wording of article 3i first paragraph of Council Regulation 833/2014 would allow such confiscations
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A02014R0833-20231001
This is the wording:

It shall be prohibited to purchase, import, or transfer, directly or indirectly, goods which generate significant revenues for Russia thereby enabling its actions destabilising the situation in Ukraine, as listed in Annex XXI into the Union if they originate in Russia or are exported from Russia.

True, the wording does not presuppose any sale from Russia to Europe, just crossing the customs border would be enough to fulfill the requirement of the rule. However I cannot see how this crossing the border to Europe of a private Russian car (or telephone etc.) can possibly generate any revenue for Russia, let alone significant revenue. So even if the wording does cover the case, the meaning and purpose of this prohibition is something completely different.
Nevertheless it is absolutely breathtaking, that it is of all European countries the German customs, who started executing these confiscations. Particularly if you are aware of the contents of annex XXI (11 pages), which lists the relevant Russian goods, that may not come into Europe. These are not just industrial goods, but just as well

6204 women’s or girls’ suits, ensembles, jackets, blazers, dresses, skirts, divided skirts, trousers, bib and brace overalls, breeches and shorts
6403 footwear with outer soles of rubber, plastics, leather or composition leather and uppers of leather
3304 beauty or make-up preparations and preparations for the care of the skin, incl. sunscreen or suntan preparations

Come on, German Customs, follow the rules! Undress all Russian tourists, confiscate their personal belongings and send them home naked!

Posted by: Udkanten | Sep 12 2023 20:05 utc | 59

I thought at first Alex Christoforou from Duran would be joking, when he reported in his video today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sKHeGzbuu4
that the German customs would not only confiscate cars from Russian tourists, but might also start confiscating their other personal goods such als mobile telephones, shampoo, toilet paper (clown world!). He apparently referred to a Russian language article
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/10/09/2023/64fc726c9a79471818cd2333
which was quoted with a malicious headline in the German „Berliner Zeitung“

Russians shocked: The EU bans the import of private cars, cell phones and even suitcases

https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/wirtschaft-verantwortung/russen-schockiert-die-eu-verbietet-einfuhr-von-privaten-autos-handys-und-sogar-reisekoffern-li.387736
Indeed, both the Commission (answering question 13)
https://finance.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2023-09/faqs-sanctions-russia-listed-goods_en.pdf
and the German government (answer to question 22)
https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/20/079/2007945.pdf
alleged, that the wording of article 3i first paragraph of Council Regulation 833/2014 would allow such confiscations
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A02014R0833-20231001
This is the wording:

It shall be prohibited to purchase, import, or transfer, directly or indirectly, goods which generate significant revenues for Russia thereby enabling its actions destabilising the situation in Ukraine, as listed in Annex XXI into the Union if they originate in Russia or are exported from Russia.

True, the wording does not presuppose any sale from Russia to Europe, just crossing the customs border would be enough to fulfill the requirement of the rule. However I cannot see how this crossing the border to Europe of a private Russian car (or telephone etc.) can possibly generate any revenue for Russia, let alone significant revenue. So even if the wording does cover the case, the meaning and purpose of this prohibition is something completely different.
Nevertheless it is absolutely breathtaking, that it is of all European countries the German customs, who started executing these confiscations. Particularly if you are aware of the contents of annex XXI (11 pages), which lists the relevant Russian goods, that may not come into Europe. These are not just industrial goods, but just as well

6204 women’s or girls’ suits, ensembles, jackets, blazers, dresses, skirts, divided skirts, trousers, bib and brace overalls, breeches and shorts
6403 footwear with outer soles of rubber, plastics, leather or composition leather and uppers of leather
3304 beauty or make-up preparations and preparations for the care of the skin, incl. sunscreen or suntan preparations

Come on, German Customs, follow the rules! Undress all Russian tourists, confiscate their personal belongings and send them home naked!

Posted by: Udkanten | Sep 12 2023 20:05 utc | 60

“Now, I would have thought that it is an IMPORTER’S right to choose what they allow into their country or not. You cannot force exports into another country.”
Posted by: SCCC | Sep 12 2023 19:47 utc | 27
Nope. That’s not how the WTO operates. Nor the “Paris Accords”… the TPP was worse.
Nations “forfeit” their sovereignty when they sign these agreements. They are capitalizing (and money makers for many) and market management.
For example, if I live in a state that the main agricultural is tomatoes, in the US say… they should be cheaper than imported ones from Chile (this was a real case) so, my tomatoes grown in my state, not transported all around the globe, should be cheaper than Chiles. But no… with the WTO, they price control so that I may pay a couple cents less, but really jack the Chilean ones up, and Chile makes a lot more money and so does the US. And if we have an abundant supply, not as much demand, the US still has to take Chile tomatoes driving prices lower.. hence, local farmers go out of business.
When you sign these “trade agreements” especially “global ones”… your sovereign control in accepting or rejecting products for even national protection is dust.
My guess is as far as “Poland” itself goes, or the individual state, he can’t do crap, but if Ukraine is a WTO signature, and we know the EU is, as in the EU Commission body, then the EU would probably have to take some percentage at least. It’s more of a EU problem than a Poland one.
Isn’t the EU glad for all the handouts to Ukraine now??

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 20:21 utc | 61

“Now, I would have thought that it is an IMPORTER’S right to choose what they allow into their country or not. You cannot force exports into another country.”
Posted by: SCCC | Sep 12 2023 19:47 utc | 27
Nope. That’s not how the WTO operates. Nor the “Paris Accords”… the TPP was worse.
Nations “forfeit” their sovereignty when they sign these agreements. They are capitalizing (and money makers for many) and market management.
For example, if I live in a state that the main agricultural is tomatoes, in the US say… they should be cheaper than imported ones from Chile (this was a real case) so, my tomatoes grown in my state, not transported all around the globe, should be cheaper than Chiles. But no… with the WTO, they price control so that I may pay a couple cents less, but really jack the Chilean ones up, and Chile makes a lot more money and so does the US. And if we have an abundant supply, not as much demand, the US still has to take Chile tomatoes driving prices lower.. hence, local farmers go out of business.
When you sign these “trade agreements” especially “global ones”… your sovereign control in accepting or rejecting products for even national protection is dust.
My guess is as far as “Poland” itself goes, or the individual state, he can’t do crap, but if Ukraine is a WTO signature, and we know the EU is, as in the EU Commission body, then the EU would probably have to take some percentage at least. It’s more of a EU problem than a Poland one.
Isn’t the EU glad for all the handouts to Ukraine now??

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 20:21 utc | 62

@ Udkanten | Sep 12 2023 20:05 utc | 29
I’m more than a little surprised that they aren’t confiscating wedding rings and tooth fillings. That would be typically German of them.
Maybe that’s next?

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 12 2023 20:23 utc | 63

@ Udkanten | Sep 12 2023 20:05 utc | 29
I’m more than a little surprised that they aren’t confiscating wedding rings and tooth fillings. That would be typically German of them.
Maybe that’s next?

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 12 2023 20:23 utc | 64

Eric Blair@24, The US inc.?

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Sep 12 2023 20:24 utc | 65

Eric Blair@24, The US inc.?

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Sep 12 2023 20:24 utc | 66

The Russian president has claimed that the ongoing counteroffensive had cost Kiev more than 71,000 troops and 543 tanks
https://www.rt.com/russia/582831-putin-names-ukraine-losses/

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2023 20:32 utc | 67

The Russian president has claimed that the ongoing counteroffensive had cost Kiev more than 71,000 troops and 543 tanks
https://www.rt.com/russia/582831-putin-names-ukraine-losses/

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2023 20:32 utc | 68

RE: Posted by: Udkanten | Sep 12 2023 20:05 utc | 29
What’s weird is the machinations and rational behind hit.
This is another “sanction” avenue, they think, if they just make it incredibly hard and a nuisance for “tourist” to visit the irreplaceable, great EU nation states… and “tourists” are inconvenienced enough, they’ll run back to Russia howling for the removal of Putin for making their vacation to the great lands difficult.
The other sanctions haven’t worked, maybe this will get the Russians to overthrow Putin. They’re truly deranged.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 20:35 utc | 69

RE: Posted by: Udkanten | Sep 12 2023 20:05 utc | 29
What’s weird is the machinations and rational behind hit.
This is another “sanction” avenue, they think, if they just make it incredibly hard and a nuisance for “tourist” to visit the irreplaceable, great EU nation states… and “tourists” are inconvenienced enough, they’ll run back to Russia howling for the removal of Putin for making their vacation to the great lands difficult.
The other sanctions haven’t worked, maybe this will get the Russians to overthrow Putin. They’re truly deranged.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 20:35 utc | 70

It’s not that Russia really needs ammo from NK, but certainly they wouldn’t mind having it. Jake Sullivan from the White House was furious about this, and the reason is obviously that NK can add to the SMO war effort with a pretty hefty weight, when compared to the entire EU industry. It basically negates any industrial war effort EU can muster.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 12 2023 18:18 utc | 16
I think it’s about more than North Korean weapons.
North Korea would be an ideal partner for Russia’s nuclear arsenal.
North Korea is stable and cannot be further threatened. It has the same enemies as Russia.
North Korea is stable and regime change is not foreseeable.
Behavior like Turkey’s, despite the S-400, is not to be expected.
Spreading the risk would enable a retaliatory strike after an initial strike by the enemy.
As with NATO, all alliance partners would have to be attacked if one attacked.
Russia would increase its defensive and offensive capabilities
expand, North Korea too. The USA cannot threaten North Korea like Cuba did a long time ago, because of nuclear missiles and its own security and so on.
NATO’s eastward expansion speaks for itself.

Posted by: 600w | Sep 12 2023 20:46 utc | 71

It’s not that Russia really needs ammo from NK, but certainly they wouldn’t mind having it. Jake Sullivan from the White House was furious about this, and the reason is obviously that NK can add to the SMO war effort with a pretty hefty weight, when compared to the entire EU industry. It basically negates any industrial war effort EU can muster.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 12 2023 18:18 utc | 16
I think it’s about more than North Korean weapons.
North Korea would be an ideal partner for Russia’s nuclear arsenal.
North Korea is stable and cannot be further threatened. It has the same enemies as Russia.
North Korea is stable and regime change is not foreseeable.
Behavior like Turkey’s, despite the S-400, is not to be expected.
Spreading the risk would enable a retaliatory strike after an initial strike by the enemy.
As with NATO, all alliance partners would have to be attacked if one attacked.
Russia would increase its defensive and offensive capabilities
expand, North Korea too. The USA cannot threaten North Korea like Cuba did a long time ago, because of nuclear missiles and its own security and so on.
NATO’s eastward expansion speaks for itself.

Posted by: 600w | Sep 12 2023 20:46 utc | 72

The USA cannot threaten North Korea like IT DID WITH Cuba a long time ago, …
Sorry for too much mistakes

Posted by: 600w | Sep 12 2023 20:49 utc | 73

The USA cannot threaten North Korea like IT DID WITH Cuba a long time ago, …
Sorry for too much mistakes

Posted by: 600w | Sep 12 2023 20:49 utc | 74

Constantine @ 6

One has to wonder what is this bruhaha with Elon Musk supposedly abandoning Ukraine.

I don’t wonder at all. Musk launches several satellites a year for the US military, he has a foot in each of the USA economic sides, military and civilian, as most American corporations. How do you think the Super-Duper Space Force Troopers are going to get into space?
His agreement with Kiev and the Pentagon is simple, “I’ll supply you with everything you want and need but you can’t make me look like a warmongering Nazi like the rest of you and damage my civilian business.”
“What WEF globohomo yuppie would buy an electric luxury car from a Nazi, or sign up for Nazi satellite internet? So, I’ll pretend to be balanced, judicious, reasoned, and anti-war and you will help reinforce this narrative by denouncing me for it.”
Simple as that.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2023 21:05 utc | 75

Constantine @ 6

One has to wonder what is this bruhaha with Elon Musk supposedly abandoning Ukraine.

I don’t wonder at all. Musk launches several satellites a year for the US military, he has a foot in each of the USA economic sides, military and civilian, as most American corporations. How do you think the Super-Duper Space Force Troopers are going to get into space?
His agreement with Kiev and the Pentagon is simple, “I’ll supply you with everything you want and need but you can’t make me look like a warmongering Nazi like the rest of you and damage my civilian business.”
“What WEF globohomo yuppie would buy an electric luxury car from a Nazi, or sign up for Nazi satellite internet? So, I’ll pretend to be balanced, judicious, reasoned, and anti-war and you will help reinforce this narrative by denouncing me for it.”
Simple as that.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2023 21:05 utc | 76

Any comments on Mr foot in mouth disease?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/stoltenberg-directly-admitted-smo-launched-nato-aggression/5832251

Posted by: jpc | Sep 12 2023 21:05 utc | 77

Any comments on Mr foot in mouth disease?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/stoltenberg-directly-admitted-smo-launched-nato-aggression/5832251

Posted by: jpc | Sep 12 2023 21:05 utc | 78

Where is Ukraine’s General Robert E. Lee?
The war between Russia and Ukraine is more like the American Civil War than WWII. Ukraine pretends they’re different than Russia, but they’re closer than any other two countries in the world.
The American South never had a chance against the North, since war had become an industrial slaughterhouse and the strongest economy would inevitably win. The war in Ukraine is the same.
General Robert E. Lee was a man of honor, and knew had to lead the South, since that was where he was from.
When he recognized that the war was lost, he surrendered with honor. General Ulysses S. Grant honored him in return and allowed every Southern officer to keep his sidearm and horse and accompany his men home.
Some of my relatives died in that war (known as the War of Northern Aggression in the South) but wounds healed.
Where is the Ukrainian General Robert E. Lee?

Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Sep 12 2023 21:08 utc | 79

Where is Ukraine’s General Robert E. Lee?
The war between Russia and Ukraine is more like the American Civil War than WWII. Ukraine pretends they’re different than Russia, but they’re closer than any other two countries in the world.
The American South never had a chance against the North, since war had become an industrial slaughterhouse and the strongest economy would inevitably win. The war in Ukraine is the same.
General Robert E. Lee was a man of honor, and knew had to lead the South, since that was where he was from.
When he recognized that the war was lost, he surrendered with honor. General Ulysses S. Grant honored him in return and allowed every Southern officer to keep his sidearm and horse and accompany his men home.
Some of my relatives died in that war (known as the War of Northern Aggression in the South) but wounds healed.
Where is the Ukrainian General Robert E. Lee?

Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Sep 12 2023 21:08 utc | 80

@21Jusses @6Constantine
Having read about 8-9 biographies on Putin, I don’t think any outsider can do anything. At all.
The sivolki moved Putin into power after Russia suffered the genocide looting and robbing from the Harvard boys and the connected oligarchs in the 1990s. Yeltsin knew he was getting set up on a world bank embezzlement charge and needed someone he could trust and because Putin had stuck his neck out to save the former mayor of St. Petersburg, Yeltsin turned to him to endorse.
US deep state and all had no idea who the guy was. He was just going to be a stand in until the oligarchs and empire chose the next successor to continue their looting and rape of the Russian people.
But Putin had some valuable friends, and wasn’t a constant drunk, and was damn smart. But he had to make deals, make sure certain oligarchs were taken care of, and slowly but surely has removed a lot of the immediate poison from the controls of state. Is it perfect, of course not. Are there a lot of oligarchs who remain who were involved in that looting? Yes, but it’s as if people here or elsewhere have lost all sense of realism.
Politics ain’t beanbag, and you gotta cut deals. It has taken Putin 20 damn years of deep state silvolki help and continuous control to finally right this ship. I don’t see that ever happening here, at all. Our silvolki sold this country out a long time ago and I don’t think there’s anyone left.
If real change is going to happen in America, it will have to be somewhat revolutionary and assisted by outside help, meaning foreign countries. Only way to accomplish it in this panopticon nightmare we find ourselves in… Trump was neutered. RFK will be too. And that is my dream ticket, it just is what it is I think. The empire will lumber on, but it is sick, it’s corpus is rotten, and the people it would rely on to fight for it no longer feel the calling, who wants to die for freaks who mutilate little children and call it civil rights. No thank you.

Posted by: Johnny | Sep 12 2023 21:12 utc | 81

@21Jusses @6Constantine
Having read about 8-9 biographies on Putin, I don’t think any outsider can do anything. At all.
The sivolki moved Putin into power after Russia suffered the genocide looting and robbing from the Harvard boys and the connected oligarchs in the 1990s. Yeltsin knew he was getting set up on a world bank embezzlement charge and needed someone he could trust and because Putin had stuck his neck out to save the former mayor of St. Petersburg, Yeltsin turned to him to endorse.
US deep state and all had no idea who the guy was. He was just going to be a stand in until the oligarchs and empire chose the next successor to continue their looting and rape of the Russian people.
But Putin had some valuable friends, and wasn’t a constant drunk, and was damn smart. But he had to make deals, make sure certain oligarchs were taken care of, and slowly but surely has removed a lot of the immediate poison from the controls of state. Is it perfect, of course not. Are there a lot of oligarchs who remain who were involved in that looting? Yes, but it’s as if people here or elsewhere have lost all sense of realism.
Politics ain’t beanbag, and you gotta cut deals. It has taken Putin 20 damn years of deep state silvolki help and continuous control to finally right this ship. I don’t see that ever happening here, at all. Our silvolki sold this country out a long time ago and I don’t think there’s anyone left.
If real change is going to happen in America, it will have to be somewhat revolutionary and assisted by outside help, meaning foreign countries. Only way to accomplish it in this panopticon nightmare we find ourselves in… Trump was neutered. RFK will be too. And that is my dream ticket, it just is what it is I think. The empire will lumber on, but it is sick, it’s corpus is rotten, and the people it would rely on to fight for it no longer feel the calling, who wants to die for freaks who mutilate little children and call it civil rights. No thank you.

Posted by: Johnny | Sep 12 2023 21:12 utc | 82

Where is the Ukrainian General Robert E. Lee?
Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Sep 12 2023 21:08 utc | 39
There’s none alive.
And as you pointed out.
The vast majority bar the western Galiceans have/had far more affinity to Russian views.
What’s left now are shake down merchants.

Posted by: jpc | Sep 12 2023 21:16 utc | 83

Where is the Ukrainian General Robert E. Lee?
Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Sep 12 2023 21:08 utc | 39
There’s none alive.
And as you pointed out.
The vast majority bar the western Galiceans have/had far more affinity to Russian views.
What’s left now are shake down merchants.

Posted by: jpc | Sep 12 2023 21:16 utc | 84

@39contrarian_ed
The Ukranian mass slaughter is something to behold. How can the men of that country keep going off the cliff? How powerful is the media, it really is amazing.
Only disagreement I have is I think if Stonewall Jackson’s strategy had been employed, I think it was him, which was to immediately move in force strike in the North and disrupt the industrial facilities of the North, they may have had a shot.
General Lee indeed was one of a kind. In every way.

Posted by: Johnny55 | Sep 12 2023 21:19 utc | 85

@39contrarian_ed
The Ukranian mass slaughter is something to behold. How can the men of that country keep going off the cliff? How powerful is the media, it really is amazing.
Only disagreement I have is I think if Stonewall Jackson’s strategy had been employed, I think it was him, which was to immediately move in force strike in the North and disrupt the industrial facilities of the North, they may have had a shot.
General Lee indeed was one of a kind. In every way.

Posted by: Johnny55 | Sep 12 2023 21:19 utc | 86

@ Paul from Norway, §2:
Well done!
You´ve discovered the off-ramp that Bribe ´em Brandon and Sunken Sunak have been seeking.
The YouCrane has so degraded Russia´s military, it is now no longer a threat to the West.
So we can pull out, declaring “mission accomplished”.

Posted by: John Marks | Sep 12 2023 21:19 utc | 87

@ Paul from Norway, §2:
Well done!
You´ve discovered the off-ramp that Bribe ´em Brandon and Sunken Sunak have been seeking.
The YouCrane has so degraded Russia´s military, it is now no longer a threat to the West.
So we can pull out, declaring “mission accomplished”.

Posted by: John Marks | Sep 12 2023 21:19 utc | 88

Posted by: Johnny | Sep 12 2023 21:12 utc | 40
Good post. One nitpick: it’s “siloviki” (sila = power in Russian), thus, “the powers”. Typically means KGB/FSB, the army/GRU, police; they were the most patriotic of the Russian elites. You look at the equivalent structures in the US and they are completely emasculated and subservient to the Lobby and other assorted private US actors.

Posted by: Boo | Sep 12 2023 21:24 utc | 89

Posted by: Johnny | Sep 12 2023 21:12 utc | 40
Good post. One nitpick: it’s “siloviki” (sila = power in Russian), thus, “the powers”. Typically means KGB/FSB, the army/GRU, police; they were the most patriotic of the Russian elites. You look at the equivalent structures in the US and they are completely emasculated and subservient to the Lobby and other assorted private US actors.

Posted by: Boo | Sep 12 2023 21:24 utc | 90

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 12 2023 18:18 utc | 16
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Russia would increase its defensive and offensive capabilities
expand, North Korea too. The USA cannot threaten North Korea like Cuba did a long time ago, because of nuclear missiles and its own security and so on.
NATO’s eastward expansion speaks for itself.
Posted by: 600w | Sep 12 2023 20:46 utc | 35
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Looks like Sullivan’s version of a hissy fit. Satisfying.
We already know that Blinken only listens to the CIA and not DIA for example. More bad news for them a**holes to come. The barflies collective assessment, credits to many, is that there seems no cover for them.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 12 2023 21:31 utc | 91

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 12 2023 18:18 utc | 16
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Russia would increase its defensive and offensive capabilities
expand, North Korea too. The USA cannot threaten North Korea like Cuba did a long time ago, because of nuclear missiles and its own security and so on.
NATO’s eastward expansion speaks for itself.
Posted by: 600w | Sep 12 2023 20:46 utc | 35
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Looks like Sullivan’s version of a hissy fit. Satisfying.
We already know that Blinken only listens to the CIA and not DIA for example. More bad news for them a**holes to come. The barflies collective assessment, credits to many, is that there seems no cover for them.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 12 2023 21:31 utc | 92

@ Trubind1, §15:
“North Korea” and “Kim Jong-un” are like click-bait to what the Western élite call their ´useless eaters´ – with suggestions of Oddjob and James Bond baddies. Helps foster the image of the “evil Putin”: they´ll be comparing him to Ernst Stavro Blofeld next and filming him with a white cat . . .
It´s called Western propaganda 101, © Marianna Spring, BBC.

Posted by: John Marks | Sep 12 2023 21:33 utc | 93

@ Trubind1, §15:
“North Korea” and “Kim Jong-un” are like click-bait to what the Western élite call their ´useless eaters´ – with suggestions of Oddjob and James Bond baddies. Helps foster the image of the “evil Putin”: they´ll be comparing him to Ernst Stavro Blofeld next and filming him with a white cat . . .
It´s called Western propaganda 101, © Marianna Spring, BBC.

Posted by: John Marks | Sep 12 2023 21:33 utc | 94

It’s a cat and mouse game for Russia.
Do try to think deeper than the surface, keep up with a broader range of war commentary, and not post your trivial concern nonsense.
If you ARE sincere, don’t worry. Russia’s doing fine on the front. But Dima is a drama queen who structures his headlines and narratives to APPEAR unbiased, attract both supporters, avoid YT shutdown, and MAKE MONEY. Nothing is as simple as it looks, simplex.
Posted by: SCCC | Sep 12 2023 20:04 utc | 28
Not to put too fine a point on it, but Russia is a Cat playing with a paralyzed mouse.

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 12 2023 21:45 utc | 95

It’s a cat and mouse game for Russia.
Do try to think deeper than the surface, keep up with a broader range of war commentary, and not post your trivial concern nonsense.
If you ARE sincere, don’t worry. Russia’s doing fine on the front. But Dima is a drama queen who structures his headlines and narratives to APPEAR unbiased, attract both supporters, avoid YT shutdown, and MAKE MONEY. Nothing is as simple as it looks, simplex.
Posted by: SCCC | Sep 12 2023 20:04 utc | 28
Not to put too fine a point on it, but Russia is a Cat playing with a paralyzed mouse.

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 12 2023 21:45 utc | 96

Posted by: 600w | Sep 12 2023 20:46 utc | 35
We can be pretty sure that RU will only rarely, if even have to limit the amount of shells they are shooting from their guns in SMO zone once NK starts delivering. Just remember the artillery shell debacle in Bakhmut/Artemvosk last May (although it could have been Prigo lying, but it could have been real).
Russia is producing crap tons of shells, many multipliers of Nato combined, but guess, one can never have enough shells. At that point the bottleneck becomes available trucks to transport them to the artillery units.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 12 2023 21:45 utc | 97

Posted by: 600w | Sep 12 2023 20:46 utc | 35
We can be pretty sure that RU will only rarely, if even have to limit the amount of shells they are shooting from their guns in SMO zone once NK starts delivering. Just remember the artillery shell debacle in Bakhmut/Artemvosk last May (although it could have been Prigo lying, but it could have been real).
Russia is producing crap tons of shells, many multipliers of Nato combined, but guess, one can never have enough shells. At that point the bottleneck becomes available trucks to transport them to the artillery units.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 12 2023 21:45 utc | 98

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 12 2023 19:47 utc | 27
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That’s not how the WTO operates. Nations “forfeit” their sovereignty when they sign these agreements. They are capitalizing (and money makers for many) and market management.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 20:21 utc | 30
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The Harmonized Tariff Schedule (HTS) of the US of A reflects all the various Trade Agreements in which the US is a signatory. US Customs, formerly of the Dept of Treasury (when I joined) not Customs and Border Protection (DHS – no comment) owns and administers it. Trade agreements are just that and any discussion should belong on an alternate platform. The WTO in Brussels holds the meetings and issues the tariffs schedule based on updates from the agreements.
The HTS was on my list of responsibilities for a few years from 2012 onward. It is granular as the country of origin for watch bands.
The Hanseatic League of the Middle Ages defined trade agreements for North Western Europe for quite some time. An early example of what some would put down as ‘globalism,’ whatever that is. Another ‘ism’ to be despised?

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 12 2023 21:46 utc | 99

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 12 2023 19:47 utc | 27
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That’s not how the WTO operates. Nations “forfeit” their sovereignty when they sign these agreements. They are capitalizing (and money makers for many) and market management.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 12 2023 20:21 utc | 30
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The Harmonized Tariff Schedule (HTS) of the US of A reflects all the various Trade Agreements in which the US is a signatory. US Customs, formerly of the Dept of Treasury (when I joined) not Customs and Border Protection (DHS – no comment) owns and administers it. Trade agreements are just that and any discussion should belong on an alternate platform. The WTO in Brussels holds the meetings and issues the tariffs schedule based on updates from the agreements.
The HTS was on my list of responsibilities for a few years from 2012 onward. It is granular as the country of origin for watch bands.
The Hanseatic League of the Middle Ages defined trade agreements for North Western Europe for quite some time. An early example of what some would put down as ‘globalism,’ whatever that is. Another ‘ism’ to be despised?

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 12 2023 21:46 utc | 100