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September 8, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-212


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"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away."

Ozymandias. By Percy Bysshe Shelley.

Idea Kit Klarenberg.

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@ my 68
more on Abrams tank (will tank) — “Abrams upgrade scrapped after Leopards tank in Ukraine. . .US Army recognizes it needs to change direction after the damage done to Germany’s supposedly superior tanks in Ukraine.” . . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 8 2023 19:57 utc | 301

@ my 68
more on Abrams tank (will tank) — “Abrams upgrade scrapped after Leopards tank in Ukraine. . .US Army recognizes it needs to change direction after the damage done to Germany’s supposedly superior tanks in Ukraine.” . . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 8 2023 19:57 utc | 302

I think this is likely the strongest signal Putin was expecting a repeat of Crimea and the west just ignoring his little conquest, otherwise leaving so much cash in western institutions was a historically stupid move.
Posted by: Hank Kwak | Sep 8 2023 10:32 utc | 28
You don’t know much about finances? Where TF would he take his money? The only option is Yuan and gold. Not easy to move so much cash.

Posted by: RB | Sep 8 2023 19:57 utc | 303

I think this is likely the strongest signal Putin was expecting a repeat of Crimea and the west just ignoring his little conquest, otherwise leaving so much cash in western institutions was a historically stupid move.
Posted by: Hank Kwak | Sep 8 2023 10:32 utc | 28
You don’t know much about finances? Where TF would he take his money? The only option is Yuan and gold. Not easy to move so much cash.

Posted by: RB | Sep 8 2023 19:57 utc | 304

Blinken, is stepson of Robert Maxwell’s atty, Sam Pisar, way back – member of JFK cabinet.
Blinken’s step sis Leah Pisar was in Bill Clinton’s cabinet. Special Foreign Policy advisor specialist.
These ghouls have been lurking in the back channels – and they move in and out of highest levels of federal gov – for decades.
Warmongering ZioGhouls.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Sep 8 2023 20:05 utc | 305

Blinken, is stepson of Robert Maxwell’s atty, Sam Pisar, way back – member of JFK cabinet.
Blinken’s step sis Leah Pisar was in Bill Clinton’s cabinet. Special Foreign Policy advisor specialist.
These ghouls have been lurking in the back channels – and they move in and out of highest levels of federal gov – for decades.
Warmongering ZioGhouls.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Sep 8 2023 20:05 utc | 306

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 8 2023 18:52 utc | 136
That’s the way it’s portrayed, but dig deeper and you find a remarkably consistent statistic, only 30% support the current lunacy. The only time it’s higher is when it’s a political poll about voting intentions, then the numbers increase. The US at the moment is following an agenda supported by a minority of a minority, but who have super majorities in all the institutions that shape public perceptions.
This thought is starting to crack, as the incompetents, who should be kept away from cap guns are metaphorically attempting to hold a shooting contest. Such incompetence, especially in hiding a previously hidden agenda, is hard to disguise and the administration’s increasingly ham-fisted responses only make the situation worse. As for not being long-term thinkers, seriously, it’s taken nearly over 100 years to achieve this institutional take-over and America didn’t suddenly become a hyper power because they got lucky on the world’s slot machine.
‘If there was anyone with bravery or accountability at the wheel, they would pull the bandaid off,’ There is, that’s why the Deep State is crapping itself, whilst inadvertently honing and empowering their own nemesis. 2024 will not be a contest between political parties but the final stage in a political counter-insurgency. I’m always amazed at the leftists who loudly proclaim support for revolutionary movements, but fail to recognise one in their own midst or close at home.
‘the way that the Russians and Chinese (and other healthy civilizations) instinctively and naturally do.’ You must either have a different definition of a healthy society, be in favour of state sponsored Utilitarianism, or think you’ll never be the reason for your collective to decide your solutions are ‘unhealthy’.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 20:05 utc | 307

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 8 2023 18:52 utc | 136
That’s the way it’s portrayed, but dig deeper and you find a remarkably consistent statistic, only 30% support the current lunacy. The only time it’s higher is when it’s a political poll about voting intentions, then the numbers increase. The US at the moment is following an agenda supported by a minority of a minority, but who have super majorities in all the institutions that shape public perceptions.
This thought is starting to crack, as the incompetents, who should be kept away from cap guns are metaphorically attempting to hold a shooting contest. Such incompetence, especially in hiding a previously hidden agenda, is hard to disguise and the administration’s increasingly ham-fisted responses only make the situation worse. As for not being long-term thinkers, seriously, it’s taken nearly over 100 years to achieve this institutional take-over and America didn’t suddenly become a hyper power because they got lucky on the world’s slot machine.
‘If there was anyone with bravery or accountability at the wheel, they would pull the bandaid off,’ There is, that’s why the Deep State is crapping itself, whilst inadvertently honing and empowering their own nemesis. 2024 will not be a contest between political parties but the final stage in a political counter-insurgency. I’m always amazed at the leftists who loudly proclaim support for revolutionary movements, but fail to recognise one in their own midst or close at home.
‘the way that the Russians and Chinese (and other healthy civilizations) instinctively and naturally do.’ You must either have a different definition of a healthy society, be in favour of state sponsored Utilitarianism, or think you’ll never be the reason for your collective to decide your solutions are ‘unhealthy’.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 20:05 utc | 308

why is NonZero writing such childish stuff about the front like in the latest blog entry that just has come up.
Some things I jut won´t get I guess.
https://nonzero.substack.com/p/logic-behind-ukraine-peace-talks

Posted by: AG | Sep 8 2023 20:09 utc | 309

why is NonZero writing such childish stuff about the front like in the latest blog entry that just has come up.
Some things I jut won´t get I guess.
https://nonzero.substack.com/p/logic-behind-ukraine-peace-talks

Posted by: AG | Sep 8 2023 20:09 utc | 310

Military summary:
-AFU concentrated some troops in Kherson and opposite to Kozachi Laheri, but haven’t launched crossing. The purpose could be force RU hold forces there
-AFU has continued concentrating forces to the NW of Verbove, and somewhere in the field between Verbove and Rabotyne. RUAF has target rich environment
-AFU has finally managed to establish foothold in Novodonetske and Novomajorske villages, some clash is ongoing
-RU is focusing fire hugely on AFU positions in Novomikhalovka (south of Maryinka)
-Also some RU activation in SW of Avdeevka
-AFU has got Andryivka into operational pincer (meaning in the south and north, but the road is still open to the east). RU might have to abandon it
-Sinkovka has been changing times several times, probably some minor attacks and counter-attacks
-AFU drones operate on the very north end of SMO zone, on the Urazovo – Lyman Druhyi road, trying to hit supply trucks
So yes, AFU has got Andryivka (very small village, two east-west streets) under a pincer. From what’s currently going on it does seem that RU flank south of Bakhmut, might be relocated further east which could open the suothern flank of Artemovsk. They are buying as much time to build a new defense line further east.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 8 2023 20:14 utc | 311

Military summary:
-AFU concentrated some troops in Kherson and opposite to Kozachi Laheri, but haven’t launched crossing. The purpose could be force RU hold forces there
-AFU has continued concentrating forces to the NW of Verbove, and somewhere in the field between Verbove and Rabotyne. RUAF has target rich environment
-AFU has finally managed to establish foothold in Novodonetske and Novomajorske villages, some clash is ongoing
-RU is focusing fire hugely on AFU positions in Novomikhalovka (south of Maryinka)
-Also some RU activation in SW of Avdeevka
-AFU has got Andryivka into operational pincer (meaning in the south and north, but the road is still open to the east). RU might have to abandon it
-Sinkovka has been changing times several times, probably some minor attacks and counter-attacks
-AFU drones operate on the very north end of SMO zone, on the Urazovo – Lyman Druhyi road, trying to hit supply trucks
So yes, AFU has got Andryivka (very small village, two east-west streets) under a pincer. From what’s currently going on it does seem that RU flank south of Bakhmut, might be relocated further east which could open the suothern flank of Artemovsk. They are buying as much time to build a new defense line further east.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 8 2023 20:14 utc | 312

@hank kwack 28. Maybe a shortsighted move, yet stealing it’s even more shortsighted. Stealing it makes other countries go Hmmmmm at the very least. Thats a + to Russia not to the thieves.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 8 2023 20:23 utc | 313

@hank kwack 28. Maybe a shortsighted move, yet stealing it’s even more shortsighted. Stealing it makes other countries go Hmmmmm at the very least. Thats a + to Russia not to the thieves.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 8 2023 20:23 utc | 314

That’s the way it’s portrayed, but dig deeper and you find a remarkably consistent statistic, only 30% support the current lunacy.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 20:05 utc | 156
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Due to cowardice, that 30% is really 100%.

The only time it’s higher is when it’s a political poll about voting intentions, then the numbers increase. The US at the moment is following an agenda supported by a minority of a minority, but who have super majorities in all the institutions that shape public perceptions.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 20:05 utc | 156
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Welcome to Democracy, American style. Ready for a monarchy headed by a Philosopher King who deadlifts yet?

‘If there was anyone with bravery or accountability at the wheel, they would pull the bandaid off,’ There is, that’s why the Deep State is crapping itself, whilst inadvertently honing and empowering their own nemesis. 2024 will not be a contest between political parties but the final stage in a political counter-insurgency. I’m always amazed at the leftists who loudly proclaim support for revolutionary movements, but fail to recognise one in their own midst or close at home.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 20:05 utc | 156
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Yeah, I know. “Trust the Plan.” Trump signed 100 secret Executive Orders to gather all of the information necessary to blow up the bogus electoral system. Any day now, and the plan will be activated the double top secret “White Hat” Patriots will save America. 😂😂😂

‘the way that the Russians and Chinese (and other healthy civilizations) instinctively and naturally do.’ You must either have a different definition of a healthy society, be in favour of state sponsored Utilitarianism, or think you’ll never be the reason for your collective to decide your solutions are ‘unhealthy’.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 20:05 utc | 156
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What can an American (which I assume you are) tell me about healthy societies?
I’d rather be part of an mildly oppressive but functioning collective than an isolated sucker surrounded and at the mercy of mentally ill degenerates.
But that’s just how I feel.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 8 2023 20:27 utc | 315

That’s the way it’s portrayed, but dig deeper and you find a remarkably consistent statistic, only 30% support the current lunacy.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 20:05 utc | 156
##########
Due to cowardice, that 30% is really 100%.

The only time it’s higher is when it’s a political poll about voting intentions, then the numbers increase. The US at the moment is following an agenda supported by a minority of a minority, but who have super majorities in all the institutions that shape public perceptions.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 20:05 utc | 156
######
Welcome to Democracy, American style. Ready for a monarchy headed by a Philosopher King who deadlifts yet?

‘If there was anyone with bravery or accountability at the wheel, they would pull the bandaid off,’ There is, that’s why the Deep State is crapping itself, whilst inadvertently honing and empowering their own nemesis. 2024 will not be a contest between political parties but the final stage in a political counter-insurgency. I’m always amazed at the leftists who loudly proclaim support for revolutionary movements, but fail to recognise one in their own midst or close at home.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 20:05 utc | 156
########
Yeah, I know. “Trust the Plan.” Trump signed 100 secret Executive Orders to gather all of the information necessary to blow up the bogus electoral system. Any day now, and the plan will be activated the double top secret “White Hat” Patriots will save America. 😂😂😂

‘the way that the Russians and Chinese (and other healthy civilizations) instinctively and naturally do.’ You must either have a different definition of a healthy society, be in favour of state sponsored Utilitarianism, or think you’ll never be the reason for your collective to decide your solutions are ‘unhealthy’.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 20:05 utc | 156
##########
What can an American (which I assume you are) tell me about healthy societies?
I’d rather be part of an mildly oppressive but functioning collective than an isolated sucker surrounded and at the mercy of mentally ill degenerates.
But that’s just how I feel.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 8 2023 20:27 utc | 316

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzqoqzSZkPs
The Russians ARE coming!

Posted by: Cuffy | Sep 8 2023 20:28 utc | 317

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzqoqzSZkPs
The Russians ARE coming!

Posted by: Cuffy | Sep 8 2023 20:28 utc | 318

@unimperator | Sep 8 2023 19:54 utc | 151
…even people with HIV and schizophrenia are subject to mobilization…

You scoff, but my insane ex-wife could probably take out 20 Russians before they got her.

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Sep 8 2023 20:31 utc | 319

@unimperator | Sep 8 2023 19:54 utc | 151
…even people with HIV and schizophrenia are subject to mobilization…

You scoff, but my insane ex-wife could probably take out 20 Russians before they got her.

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Sep 8 2023 20:31 utc | 320

The Russians are coming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzqoqzSZkPs

Posted by: Hillbob | Sep 8 2023 20:32 utc | 321

The Russians are coming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzqoqzSZkPs

Posted by: Hillbob | Sep 8 2023 20:32 utc | 322

@Posted by: Exile | Sep 8 2023 18:55 utc | 138

Blinken comes from a long line of criminals. On one side his great-grandfather was a pornographer and ran a brothel in NYC. On the other side his grandfather was a deadbeat tax cheat and black marketeer smuggler in post-war Europe.( the Third man ?)
Blinken’s birth father ran a shyster Wall Street Bank known for crooked deals.
Blinken‘s step-father was the conselgiere of none other than Robert Maxwell. So…..it’s not a stretch to suggest Blinken and Ghislaine Maxwell were childhood playmates.
Blinken = Ghislaine = Epstein

The US oligarchs have really stacked the deck in the State Department full of ex-Ukrainians who treat modern Russia as if it is a continuation of the Imperial Russia that subjugated them. Blinken’s grandfather was Jewish from Kiev. Nuland’s grandfather was also a Ukrainian Jew who lost much when he emigrated to the US and terrorized her father who ended up with serious psychological issues. So she blames Russia for ruining her family. And of course her spouse is Robert Kagan, who is of Lithuanian Jewish descent (strange that he doesn’t hate Lithuania given what they did to the Jews in WW2 hand in glove with the Germans).
And yes, the Blinken, Ghislaine, Epstein connection. It is obvious that Epstein was a tool of the oligarchs (Israeli and US intelligence services?) and Ghislaine was his sidekick. Her dad Maxwell (big media owner and MP in the UK) was buried with honours in Israel for his service to that country after dying in very strange circumstances. Then of course there are the Vindman Ukrainian Jewish twin traitors, embedded in the state-think-tank industrial complex. Trump forced out one, but he just landed in a neocon think-tank. Then again Trump’s daughter became Jewish to marry into a prominent Israel-supporting family, and Harris’ husband is also of that religion. And the US Treasury Secretary, US Attorney general, US Secretary for Homeland Security (whose rich family fled the Cuban revolution, so a guaranteed Cuba-hater).
The identities of all the 10,000s of Ukrainian SS Nazis that were allowed into the UK, US and Canada has been a carefully guarded secret. Who knows how many of them were placed in positions of power by the oligarchs? We have the grand-daughter of one of them as the Finance Minister in Canada; an ardent Russia hater.
We will know that the Western oligarchs have decided to make some form of lasting peace with Russia when all these Ukrainian and Eastern European Russia-haters are excised from positions in the government and state bureaucracy. They will have served their purpose and will become surplus to requirements. It can be tough being a courtier to the rich and powerful.
If there is one thing that the Ukrainian conflict has underlined is that Zionists (not Jews in general) have no problem working with fascists. Its been a constant in the history of Zionism, as Lenni Brenner noted in his book “Zionism in the Age of the Dictators”.

That one Zionist betrayed the Jews would not be of any moment: no movement
is responsible for its renegades. However, Kasztner was never regarded as a traitor
by the Labour Zionists. On the contrary, they insisted, that if he was guilty,
so were they. . . . by far the most important aspect of the Kasztner-Gruenwald
affair was its full exposure of the working philosophy of the World Zionist
Organisation (WZO) throughout the entire Nazi era: the sanctification of the
betrayal of the many in the interest of a selected immigration to Palestine’.
(pp.263–264)

Brenner was hugely attacked for raking up history that many want forgotten, this is his lengthy reply to critics of his book:
https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/pdf/10.3366/hlps.2015.0123

Posted by: Roger | Sep 8 2023 20:35 utc | 323

@Posted by: Exile | Sep 8 2023 18:55 utc | 138

Blinken comes from a long line of criminals. On one side his great-grandfather was a pornographer and ran a brothel in NYC. On the other side his grandfather was a deadbeat tax cheat and black marketeer smuggler in post-war Europe.( the Third man ?)
Blinken’s birth father ran a shyster Wall Street Bank known for crooked deals.
Blinken‘s step-father was the conselgiere of none other than Robert Maxwell. So…..it’s not a stretch to suggest Blinken and Ghislaine Maxwell were childhood playmates.
Blinken = Ghislaine = Epstein

The US oligarchs have really stacked the deck in the State Department full of ex-Ukrainians who treat modern Russia as if it is a continuation of the Imperial Russia that subjugated them. Blinken’s grandfather was Jewish from Kiev. Nuland’s grandfather was also a Ukrainian Jew who lost much when he emigrated to the US and terrorized her father who ended up with serious psychological issues. So she blames Russia for ruining her family. And of course her spouse is Robert Kagan, who is of Lithuanian Jewish descent (strange that he doesn’t hate Lithuania given what they did to the Jews in WW2 hand in glove with the Germans).
And yes, the Blinken, Ghislaine, Epstein connection. It is obvious that Epstein was a tool of the oligarchs (Israeli and US intelligence services?) and Ghislaine was his sidekick. Her dad Maxwell (big media owner and MP in the UK) was buried with honours in Israel for his service to that country after dying in very strange circumstances. Then of course there are the Vindman Ukrainian Jewish twin traitors, embedded in the state-think-tank industrial complex. Trump forced out one, but he just landed in a neocon think-tank. Then again Trump’s daughter became Jewish to marry into a prominent Israel-supporting family, and Harris’ husband is also of that religion. And the US Treasury Secretary, US Attorney general, US Secretary for Homeland Security (whose rich family fled the Cuban revolution, so a guaranteed Cuba-hater).
The identities of all the 10,000s of Ukrainian SS Nazis that were allowed into the UK, US and Canada has been a carefully guarded secret. Who knows how many of them were placed in positions of power by the oligarchs? We have the grand-daughter of one of them as the Finance Minister in Canada; an ardent Russia hater.
We will know that the Western oligarchs have decided to make some form of lasting peace with Russia when all these Ukrainian and Eastern European Russia-haters are excised from positions in the government and state bureaucracy. They will have served their purpose and will become surplus to requirements. It can be tough being a courtier to the rich and powerful.
If there is one thing that the Ukrainian conflict has underlined is that Zionists (not Jews in general) have no problem working with fascists. Its been a constant in the history of Zionism, as Lenni Brenner noted in his book “Zionism in the Age of the Dictators”.

That one Zionist betrayed the Jews would not be of any moment: no movement
is responsible for its renegades. However, Kasztner was never regarded as a traitor
by the Labour Zionists. On the contrary, they insisted, that if he was guilty,
so were they. . . . by far the most important aspect of the Kasztner-Gruenwald
affair was its full exposure of the working philosophy of the World Zionist
Organisation (WZO) throughout the entire Nazi era: the sanctification of the
betrayal of the many in the interest of a selected immigration to Palestine’.
(pp.263–264)

Brenner was hugely attacked for raking up history that many want forgotten, this is his lengthy reply to critics of his book:
https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/pdf/10.3366/hlps.2015.0123

Posted by: Roger | Sep 8 2023 20:35 utc | 324

@Cuffy | Sep 8 2023 20:28 utc | 162
Nice. But also, argh! That’s “Take Five”, and it’s not even in five!

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Sep 8 2023 20:36 utc | 325

@Cuffy | Sep 8 2023 20:28 utc | 162
Nice. But also, argh! That’s “Take Five”, and it’s not even in five!

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Sep 8 2023 20:36 utc | 326

Police stations, mobilization centres and commissars should be on the Russian hit list too. Any regime apparatus that is suppressing the captive citizens needs to be destroyed to allow for mass disobedience to the inhumane regime.

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 8 2023 20:45 utc | 327

Police stations, mobilization centres and commissars should be on the Russian hit list too. Any regime apparatus that is suppressing the captive citizens needs to be destroyed to allow for mass disobedience to the inhumane regime.

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 8 2023 20:45 utc | 328

Posted by: Marvin | Sep 8 2023 17:36 utc | 124
It’s a problem of military terminology and its often fraught journey over to the civilian world, often carried by a sensationalist press. An ‘intensive attack’ or ‘heavy fighting’ or ‘five assaults beaten back’ would actually represent a battalion sending its three companies to attack, often one up two back, or two up one back, not all together attacking repeatedly, that’s for the movies. These companies, especially in the SMO, breakdown their three platoons similarly. So an intensive battalion attack is really a series of small engagements over the attack frontage where, for a full-strength company, casualties of 20 men (20%) will often force the assault to stop. If those 110 reported were just frontline casualties it represents several battalions (possibly a brigade strength unit) losing over 10+% of its bayonet strength in one attack, an unsustainable loss ratio. If they were KIA then you are talking about casualties that render a formation combat ineffective after one attack. Two final points.
These casualties might be spread across the entire depth of the battle space, encompassing FEBA fighting and rear area strikes, especially on APC’s or FUP’s (forming up points) or rest areas, so they can again give a skewed result and view of the battle; however, the Ukrainians seem to operate a hybrid of both support systems, meaning their T3R (tooth to tail ratio), a reflection of how many rear-area soldiers support a combat soldier, is higher than usual Western armies, meaning more frontline losses.
Finally, another thing to consider is the troop strengths being talked about are paper strengths from official TO&E’s which rarely survive contact with any sustained combat. I think the Ukrainians are probably in the same position as Germans in ‘44, where most formations were operating at half or less strength. This then would mean those 110 losses reflect a higher percentage of the total, reflecting the intensity of the fighting.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 20:50 utc | 329

Posted by: Marvin | Sep 8 2023 17:36 utc | 124
It’s a problem of military terminology and its often fraught journey over to the civilian world, often carried by a sensationalist press. An ‘intensive attack’ or ‘heavy fighting’ or ‘five assaults beaten back’ would actually represent a battalion sending its three companies to attack, often one up two back, or two up one back, not all together attacking repeatedly, that’s for the movies. These companies, especially in the SMO, breakdown their three platoons similarly. So an intensive battalion attack is really a series of small engagements over the attack frontage where, for a full-strength company, casualties of 20 men (20%) will often force the assault to stop. If those 110 reported were just frontline casualties it represents several battalions (possibly a brigade strength unit) losing over 10+% of its bayonet strength in one attack, an unsustainable loss ratio. If they were KIA then you are talking about casualties that render a formation combat ineffective after one attack. Two final points.
These casualties might be spread across the entire depth of the battle space, encompassing FEBA fighting and rear area strikes, especially on APC’s or FUP’s (forming up points) or rest areas, so they can again give a skewed result and view of the battle; however, the Ukrainians seem to operate a hybrid of both support systems, meaning their T3R (tooth to tail ratio), a reflection of how many rear-area soldiers support a combat soldier, is higher than usual Western armies, meaning more frontline losses.
Finally, another thing to consider is the troop strengths being talked about are paper strengths from official TO&E’s which rarely survive contact with any sustained combat. I think the Ukrainians are probably in the same position as Germans in ‘44, where most formations were operating at half or less strength. This then would mean those 110 losses reflect a higher percentage of the total, reflecting the intensity of the fighting.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 20:50 utc | 330

@ Posted by: Roger | Sep 8 2023 20:35 utc | 165
You are wrong to conflate Jews and zionists, it is a zionist lie that an antisemite ideology like zionism is compatible with Judaism, they are opposites.

Posted by: Squeeth | Sep 8 2023 20:51 utc | 331

@ Posted by: Roger | Sep 8 2023 20:35 utc | 165
You are wrong to conflate Jews and zionists, it is a zionist lie that an antisemite ideology like zionism is compatible with Judaism, they are opposites.

Posted by: Squeeth | Sep 8 2023 20:51 utc | 332

Doesn’t know that virtually the entire Ukie / NATO leadership have publicly stated their intent is to “Kill All The Moskals”, that is, exterminate all Russians…
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And you believe they mean what they say?
Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 18:01 utc | 130

I do…
But my opinion is irrelevant…
Medvedev’s counts…. Putin’s counts… Dugin’s counts…. Russia’s counts…
AND….
They believe it!!
Which means….
This is a fight to the finish….
Your only option is to GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY!!!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 21:03 utc | 333

Doesn’t know that virtually the entire Ukie / NATO leadership have publicly stated their intent is to “Kill All The Moskals”, that is, exterminate all Russians…
===========================
And you believe they mean what they say?
Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 18:01 utc | 130

I do…
But my opinion is irrelevant…
Medvedev’s counts…. Putin’s counts… Dugin’s counts…. Russia’s counts…
AND….
They believe it!!
Which means….
This is a fight to the finish….
Your only option is to GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY!!!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 21:03 utc | 334

Police stations, mobilization centres and commissars should be on the Russian hit list too. Any regime apparatus that is suppressing the captive citizens needs to be destroyed to allow for mass disobedience to the inhumane regime.
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 8 2023 20:45 utc | 167

Cannot agree more…. those places should eat Geraniums…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 21:05 utc | 335

Police stations, mobilization centres and commissars should be on the Russian hit list too. Any regime apparatus that is suppressing the captive citizens needs to be destroyed to allow for mass disobedience to the inhumane regime.
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 8 2023 20:45 utc | 167

Cannot agree more…. those places should eat Geraniums…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 21:05 utc | 336

Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) analyst Trent Mol acknowledged that Washington underestimated the strength of the Russian Federation in the run-up to the Ukrainian counteroffensive, reports the Economist magazine.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19558
Posted by: Down South | Sep 8 2023 9:12 utc | 12
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As a 25 year former occupant of DC metro let me translate for you.
DIA would not let anyone speak for DIA with attribution without authorization. Basically, DIA says ‘we are right’ (without saying that we were right all along) and the other entities in Washington did not believe us. It seems that now that they are beginning to.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 8 2023 21:08 utc | 337

Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) analyst Trent Mol acknowledged that Washington underestimated the strength of the Russian Federation in the run-up to the Ukrainian counteroffensive, reports the Economist magazine.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19558
Posted by: Down South | Sep 8 2023 9:12 utc | 12
—————————————————–
As a 25 year former occupant of DC metro let me translate for you.
DIA would not let anyone speak for DIA with attribution without authorization. Basically, DIA says ‘we are right’ (without saying that we were right all along) and the other entities in Washington did not believe us. It seems that now that they are beginning to.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 8 2023 21:08 utc | 338

The Deep State is a parasitical phenomenon. The only reform for the Deep State is the collapse of the host. Then a new host emerges, and the process starts again.
For every Victoria Nuland who leaves government “service,” another is ready to replace her. There is an endless supply of Vicky Nulands, I believe that because power abhors a vacuum, and any system of governance begs bureaucracy.
Some aspects of power are evergreen and persistent. We can no more cure human nature than we can banish darkness forever by lighting every corner of the Earth. As long as there are humans, there will be human nature. A nature that can be beautiful, inspiring, sublime, and positive. Human nature can also be jealous, greedy, violent, and self-absorbed.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 8 2023 21:09 utc | 339

The Deep State is a parasitical phenomenon. The only reform for the Deep State is the collapse of the host. Then a new host emerges, and the process starts again.
For every Victoria Nuland who leaves government “service,” another is ready to replace her. There is an endless supply of Vicky Nulands, I believe that because power abhors a vacuum, and any system of governance begs bureaucracy.
Some aspects of power are evergreen and persistent. We can no more cure human nature than we can banish darkness forever by lighting every corner of the Earth. As long as there are humans, there will be human nature. A nature that can be beautiful, inspiring, sublime, and positive. Human nature can also be jealous, greedy, violent, and self-absorbed.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 8 2023 21:09 utc | 340

You scoff, but my insane ex-wife could probably take out 20 Russians before they got her.
Posted by: Boris Badenov | 163

“Why don’t you just sit down, take your wool out, and knit yourself an iron curtain..”
~Letter from Brezhnev

Posted by: Rattus | Sep 8 2023 21:17 utc | 341

You scoff, but my insane ex-wife could probably take out 20 Russians before they got her.
Posted by: Boris Badenov | 163

“Why don’t you just sit down, take your wool out, and knit yourself an iron curtain..”
~Letter from Brezhnev

Posted by: Rattus | Sep 8 2023 21:17 utc | 342

Today is the 80th anniversary of liberation of Donbass from German Nazis and their Ukrainian Nazi henchmen.
The head of the Russian Military Historical Society on the Nazis’ attempt to “Ukrainize” Donbass (RIA Novosti, September 8, 2023 — in Russian)

The forced “Ukrainization” of Donbass did not begin in the post-Soviet period—even during the Great Patriotic War, the Nazis deliberately appointed to occupation authority positions collaborators associated with the so-called Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), banned in Russia, the scientific director of the Russian Military Historical Society Mikhail Myagkov said to RIA Novosti.
Exactly 80 years ago, on September 8, 1943, the Red Army liberated Donetsk (then Stalino), and then, on September 10, Mariupol, both of which were under Nazi occupation since 1941. The liberation of these cities became a key episode in the Battle for Donbass (August 13 – September 22, 1943).
“In Soviet times, they preferred not to focus attention on the fact that the Germans, having occupied Donbass, relied there on Ukrainian Nationalists. According to declassified documents of the Donetsk KGB archive, which later became the archive of the SBU, where in post-Soviet times, among others, patriots of Donbass and Russia worked, the German security police Schutzmannschaft that was active in the region employed Ukrainian Nationalists, who, by the way, had close ties with the Bandera movement, namely, the OUN,” Myagkov said.
Forced Ukrainization
The historian emphasized that the Germans purposefully relied on Nationalists, introducing in Donbass, which had always been a Russian-speaking region, newspapers in the Ukrainian language, where portraits of the Chairman of the Ukrainian People’s Republic Symon Petliura were printed, as well as the anthem “The Ukraine has not yet perished”, in Donetsk and Mariupol next to The Nazi banners there were the “zhovto-blakitnyy” [Ukrainian: yellow-blue — S] flags of the UPR.
“Portraits of Hitler on buildings were exhibited next to portraits of Taras Shevchenko, because the Germans believed that since this poet was Ukrainian, he was certainly against everything Russian. That was complete nonsense, but nevertheless, the Nazis and their accomplices still used him in their propaganda,” said the scientific director of the Russian Military Historical Society.
“Divide and rule”
Myagkov explained that the Nazis deliberately relied on the “Ukrainization of Donbass under the Nazi swastika,” since for the OUN accomplices, the Russian-speaking majority were ideological enemies, with whom they, relying on the Germans, fought “with particular enthusiasm.”
“It reached the point of absurdity. In the institutions of the occupation authorities they were forced to speak Ukrainian, which almost no one knew in Donbass; they had to speak in ‘surzhik’—a mixed language consisting of Russian and Ukrainian words. The Germans understood perfectly well that Russians and Ukrainians come from a common root, therefore, following the principle of ‘divide and rule,’ they had to be separated as much as possible. The Americans are doing the same thing, encouraging the conflict between Ukrainian and Russian speakers, which has resulted in today’s tragedy,” the agency’s interlocutor emphasized.
The importance of Donbass
Speaking about the importance of the region during the Great Patriotic War, the historian recalled that Donbass was the “industrial heart” of the Soviet Union—in Donetsk alone, 5% of all coal mining in the USSR was carried out and 7% of all metallurgical enterprises were located.
“The fascists [Nazis — S], not unreasonably, believed that by depriving the USSR of Donbass, they would bleed its industrial potential and, accordingly, increase their own. However, the Soviet Union managed to evacuate many enterprises that were working until the last minute,” Myagkov explained.
For example, the Donetsk Metallurgical Plant kept producing metal right until the invaders entered the city in order to pour it into ladles and other valuable equipment that could not be evacuated in time.
“Due to the characteristics of the terrain in Donbass, a steppe region, it was impossible to establish effective work of the partisan movement, as in Belarus and Central Russia. At the same time, a powerful underground arose there; just the Young Guard alone was significant, and there were many such groups,” the Russian Military Historical Society said.
Nazi crimes
Speaking about the crimes of the Nazis in the region, the historian emphasized that during the years of occupation of Donbass, the Nazis committed one of the most terrible acts of genocide of the Soviet people. Namely, the notorious mine shaft 4/4 bis located in Donetsk.
“The most massive case of genocide of the Soviet people in the Ukrainian SSR after Babi Yar took place in Donbass—according to modern estimates, up to 100 thousand Russians, Jews and Ukrainians dissatisfied with the occupation regime were thrown into the Donetsk mine shaft 4/4 bis. Most of them were shot, some were buried there alive,” Myagkov said.

Posted by: S | Sep 8 2023 21:23 utc | 343

Today is the 80th anniversary of liberation of Donbass from German Nazis and their Ukrainian Nazi henchmen.
The head of the Russian Military Historical Society on the Nazis’ attempt to “Ukrainize” Donbass (RIA Novosti, September 8, 2023 — in Russian)

The forced “Ukrainization” of Donbass did not begin in the post-Soviet period—even during the Great Patriotic War, the Nazis deliberately appointed to occupation authority positions collaborators associated with the so-called Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), banned in Russia, the scientific director of the Russian Military Historical Society Mikhail Myagkov said to RIA Novosti.
Exactly 80 years ago, on September 8, 1943, the Red Army liberated Donetsk (then Stalino), and then, on September 10, Mariupol, both of which were under Nazi occupation since 1941. The liberation of these cities became a key episode in the Battle for Donbass (August 13 – September 22, 1943).
“In Soviet times, they preferred not to focus attention on the fact that the Germans, having occupied Donbass, relied there on Ukrainian Nationalists. According to declassified documents of the Donetsk KGB archive, which later became the archive of the SBU, where in post-Soviet times, among others, patriots of Donbass and Russia worked, the German security police Schutzmannschaft that was active in the region employed Ukrainian Nationalists, who, by the way, had close ties with the Bandera movement, namely, the OUN,” Myagkov said.
Forced Ukrainization
The historian emphasized that the Germans purposefully relied on Nationalists, introducing in Donbass, which had always been a Russian-speaking region, newspapers in the Ukrainian language, where portraits of the Chairman of the Ukrainian People’s Republic Symon Petliura were printed, as well as the anthem “The Ukraine has not yet perished”, in Donetsk and Mariupol next to The Nazi banners there were the “zhovto-blakitnyy” [Ukrainian: yellow-blue — S] flags of the UPR.
“Portraits of Hitler on buildings were exhibited next to portraits of Taras Shevchenko, because the Germans believed that since this poet was Ukrainian, he was certainly against everything Russian. That was complete nonsense, but nevertheless, the Nazis and their accomplices still used him in their propaganda,” said the scientific director of the Russian Military Historical Society.
“Divide and rule”
Myagkov explained that the Nazis deliberately relied on the “Ukrainization of Donbass under the Nazi swastika,” since for the OUN accomplices, the Russian-speaking majority were ideological enemies, with whom they, relying on the Germans, fought “with particular enthusiasm.”
“It reached the point of absurdity. In the institutions of the occupation authorities they were forced to speak Ukrainian, which almost no one knew in Donbass; they had to speak in ‘surzhik’—a mixed language consisting of Russian and Ukrainian words. The Germans understood perfectly well that Russians and Ukrainians come from a common root, therefore, following the principle of ‘divide and rule,’ they had to be separated as much as possible. The Americans are doing the same thing, encouraging the conflict between Ukrainian and Russian speakers, which has resulted in today’s tragedy,” the agency’s interlocutor emphasized.
The importance of Donbass
Speaking about the importance of the region during the Great Patriotic War, the historian recalled that Donbass was the “industrial heart” of the Soviet Union—in Donetsk alone, 5% of all coal mining in the USSR was carried out and 7% of all metallurgical enterprises were located.
“The fascists [Nazis — S], not unreasonably, believed that by depriving the USSR of Donbass, they would bleed its industrial potential and, accordingly, increase their own. However, the Soviet Union managed to evacuate many enterprises that were working until the last minute,” Myagkov explained.
For example, the Donetsk Metallurgical Plant kept producing metal right until the invaders entered the city in order to pour it into ladles and other valuable equipment that could not be evacuated in time.
“Due to the characteristics of the terrain in Donbass, a steppe region, it was impossible to establish effective work of the partisan movement, as in Belarus and Central Russia. At the same time, a powerful underground arose there; just the Young Guard alone was significant, and there were many such groups,” the Russian Military Historical Society said.
Nazi crimes
Speaking about the crimes of the Nazis in the region, the historian emphasized that during the years of occupation of Donbass, the Nazis committed one of the most terrible acts of genocide of the Soviet people. Namely, the notorious mine shaft 4/4 bis located in Donetsk.
“The most massive case of genocide of the Soviet people in the Ukrainian SSR after Babi Yar took place in Donbass—according to modern estimates, up to 100 thousand Russians, Jews and Ukrainians dissatisfied with the occupation regime were thrown into the Donetsk mine shaft 4/4 bis. Most of them were shot, some were buried there alive,” Myagkov said.

Posted by: S | Sep 8 2023 21:23 utc | 344

Posted by: bevin | Sep 8 2023 15:08 utc | 75
That is a matter of perspective. Technically speaking the Zaporizhian Cossacks of Khmelnitsky aligned themselves with Muscovy and considered themselves another group of Russians (as there was no modern concept of a cohesive national identity as it exists today).
Moreover, the “Ukrainian leaders” you refer to were not even originally Ukrainians and did not live within Russia. These were the Ukrainized Rusyn/Ruthenians who lived in Austria-Hungary. They were groomed and refashioned by the Germans and laid claim to all od Ukraine, but they certainly could not speak for the people who lived in Russia.
This is the true origin of the crisis. Since the 90s, the Anglo-Americans, patrons of the Ukro-Nazis throughout the Cold War took control of the project. But it wasn’t rooted in the Ukrainian SSR, despite Lenin’s very faulted insistence on certain issues. That is why Putin is wrong to waste political capital in confronting pro-Russian Ukrainians simply to promote a narrative that exonerates Yeltsin for his treasonous demolition of the USSR. He didn’t get anything out of this as the Yeltsinites, even the subhuman traitor’s own family, continue to despise Putin.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 8 2023 21:23 utc | 345

Posted by: bevin | Sep 8 2023 15:08 utc | 75
That is a matter of perspective. Technically speaking the Zaporizhian Cossacks of Khmelnitsky aligned themselves with Muscovy and considered themselves another group of Russians (as there was no modern concept of a cohesive national identity as it exists today).
Moreover, the “Ukrainian leaders” you refer to were not even originally Ukrainians and did not live within Russia. These were the Ukrainized Rusyn/Ruthenians who lived in Austria-Hungary. They were groomed and refashioned by the Germans and laid claim to all od Ukraine, but they certainly could not speak for the people who lived in Russia.
This is the true origin of the crisis. Since the 90s, the Anglo-Americans, patrons of the Ukro-Nazis throughout the Cold War took control of the project. But it wasn’t rooted in the Ukrainian SSR, despite Lenin’s very faulted insistence on certain issues. That is why Putin is wrong to waste political capital in confronting pro-Russian Ukrainians simply to promote a narrative that exonerates Yeltsin for his treasonous demolition of the USSR. He didn’t get anything out of this as the Yeltsinites, even the subhuman traitor’s own family, continue to despise Putin.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 8 2023 21:23 utc | 346

* 80th anniversary of liberation of Donbass → 80th anniversary of liberation of Donetsk

Posted by: S | Sep 8 2023 21:25 utc | 347

* 80th anniversary of liberation of Donbass → 80th anniversary of liberation of Donetsk

Posted by: S | Sep 8 2023 21:25 utc | 348

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 8 2023 13:31 utc | 64
By Edward Malnick, Sunday Political Editor 8 September 2023
RAF is conducting patrols over the Black Sea to deter Putin from carrying out attacks on civilian vessels carrying grain exports
Grain from the Black Sea region is considered vital for staving off hunger in lower-income countries. Russia said it had pulled out of the deal
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 8 2023 13:31 utc | 64
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Clear as mud.
Unarmed patrol aircraft taking pictures?
Grain for staving off hunger? Wher, Spanish pigs?
The Russian grain deal expired. No pulling, no pushing, it just plain expired.
Bad journalism continues.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 8 2023 21:26 utc | 349

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 8 2023 13:31 utc | 64
By Edward Malnick, Sunday Political Editor 8 September 2023
RAF is conducting patrols over the Black Sea to deter Putin from carrying out attacks on civilian vessels carrying grain exports
Grain from the Black Sea region is considered vital for staving off hunger in lower-income countries. Russia said it had pulled out of the deal
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 8 2023 13:31 utc | 64
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Clear as mud.
Unarmed patrol aircraft taking pictures?
Grain for staving off hunger? Wher, Spanish pigs?
The Russian grain deal expired. No pulling, no pushing, it just plain expired.
Bad journalism continues.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 8 2023 21:26 utc | 350

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 8 2023 20:27 utc | 161
You know what they say are the dangers of assuming, I’m a mongrel anyway, and proud of it, so just because I offer a contradictory viewpoint about a country does not mean I’m in anyway beholden to it. Heck, I think the Russian Army has done amazingly well given the low standard of most of its pre SMO troops, equipment and commanders and has followed the Roman Empire’s playbook brilliantly. So supportive but not a paid up supporter, or with any emotional stake, there being nothing wrong with genuine patriotism, apart from its tendency to smudge the analytical optics from time to time.
Yeah, I know. “Trust the Plan. No, no, no! It’s bigger, far bigger than one man, he is now undergoing the same transcendent process revolutionary leaders underwent. He’s not representing a party, he’s the visible head of a movement that is crossing party boundaries. Get a hold of the stages of a political/military insurgency and view it through the lens of the last six years, it’s eye-opening the similarities, especially the State’s reaction. The people most terrified of an assassination attempt on Trump are the Democrats and their handlers, because then….well let’s look at your point about 30%=100% due to cowardice. True normally, but statistically revolutions involve just 8-10% of a population and a tiny number of leaders to motivate them. The bigger the starting pool though the larger the figure involved, so looking at the effect on black males of arresting Trump, (20% support, double that of 2020) and crucially their increasing disbelief in the official narrative means the number of ‘deplorables,’ ,from which the brave step forward, keeps going. Or to put it another way, the Junta have lost control of the countryside, now the fights come to the cities, or stage 4 of an insurgency.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 21:30 utc | 351

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 8 2023 20:27 utc | 161
You know what they say are the dangers of assuming, I’m a mongrel anyway, and proud of it, so just because I offer a contradictory viewpoint about a country does not mean I’m in anyway beholden to it. Heck, I think the Russian Army has done amazingly well given the low standard of most of its pre SMO troops, equipment and commanders and has followed the Roman Empire’s playbook brilliantly. So supportive but not a paid up supporter, or with any emotional stake, there being nothing wrong with genuine patriotism, apart from its tendency to smudge the analytical optics from time to time.
Yeah, I know. “Trust the Plan. No, no, no! It’s bigger, far bigger than one man, he is now undergoing the same transcendent process revolutionary leaders underwent. He’s not representing a party, he’s the visible head of a movement that is crossing party boundaries. Get a hold of the stages of a political/military insurgency and view it through the lens of the last six years, it’s eye-opening the similarities, especially the State’s reaction. The people most terrified of an assassination attempt on Trump are the Democrats and their handlers, because then….well let’s look at your point about 30%=100% due to cowardice. True normally, but statistically revolutions involve just 8-10% of a population and a tiny number of leaders to motivate them. The bigger the starting pool though the larger the figure involved, so looking at the effect on black males of arresting Trump, (20% support, double that of 2020) and crucially their increasing disbelief in the official narrative means the number of ‘deplorables,’ ,from which the brave step forward, keeps going. Or to put it another way, the Junta have lost control of the countryside, now the fights come to the cities, or stage 4 of an insurgency.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 21:30 utc | 352

The war is an obscenity relieved only by the morality of Russia’s finally resigning itself to do the right thing and finally recognizing, what almost any previous generation of Russians could have told them, that western Europe is run by unprincipled scoundrels employed by violent criminals. And that north America is even worse.
Posted by: bevin | Sep 8 2023 16:42 utc | 107
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Maybe. Here is what I know.
Two oblasts declared their independence from Ukraine as ‘volksrepubliks.’ Some here might recall thirteen American colonies declaring their independence.
The Russian Dimas recognized the two ‘volksrepubliks’ as independent legal entities and requested Putin to draw up a defense agreement, which he did.
When Zelenskyy dramatically increased the shelling that had been occurring since 2014 and moved tens of thousands of troops, the two oblasts requested Russia for assistance in February 2022. This is legally supported by Article 51 of the UN charter. Hence no ‘war’ but a SMO, supported by international law.
Moral obligation? My foot. Putin is a stickler for rules.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 8 2023 21:43 utc | 353

The war is an obscenity relieved only by the morality of Russia’s finally resigning itself to do the right thing and finally recognizing, what almost any previous generation of Russians could have told them, that western Europe is run by unprincipled scoundrels employed by violent criminals. And that north America is even worse.
Posted by: bevin | Sep 8 2023 16:42 utc | 107
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Maybe. Here is what I know.
Two oblasts declared their independence from Ukraine as ‘volksrepubliks.’ Some here might recall thirteen American colonies declaring their independence.
The Russian Dimas recognized the two ‘volksrepubliks’ as independent legal entities and requested Putin to draw up a defense agreement, which he did.
When Zelenskyy dramatically increased the shelling that had been occurring since 2014 and moved tens of thousands of troops, the two oblasts requested Russia for assistance in February 2022. This is legally supported by Article 51 of the UN charter. Hence no ‘war’ but a SMO, supported by international law.
Moral obligation? My foot. Putin is a stickler for rules.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 8 2023 21:43 utc | 354

Young people who could’ve been the future of Russia but who instead lost their lives in the name of the so called SMO.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 8 2023 16:04 utc | 99
Young people could have been the future of Ukraine but for Kiev’s so-called Anti-Terrorist Operation (ATO) which started in 2014 and killed thousands in Donetsk and Luhansk. Is it any wonder these people want FUCK ALL to do with a bunch of Nazi RACIST loonies in Kiev who want nothing but to murder Russian speakers?
Youre a delusional TWAT Mr Inkan!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 8 2023 21:44 utc | 355

Young people who could’ve been the future of Russia but who instead lost their lives in the name of the so called SMO.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 8 2023 16:04 utc | 99
Young people could have been the future of Ukraine but for Kiev’s so-called Anti-Terrorist Operation (ATO) which started in 2014 and killed thousands in Donetsk and Luhansk. Is it any wonder these people want FUCK ALL to do with a bunch of Nazi RACIST loonies in Kiev who want nothing but to murder Russian speakers?
Youre a delusional TWAT Mr Inkan!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 8 2023 21:44 utc | 356

@ Inkan1969 | Sep 8 2023 16:04 utc | 99
Please, someone buy this guy an express economy class one-way ticket to Kiev! and stick him front line together with the foreign legion merc’s!
So we can all enjoy our lives…
Good luck ol’chap!

Posted by: BGeorge | Sep 8 2023 21:48 utc | 357

@ Inkan1969 | Sep 8 2023 16:04 utc | 99
Please, someone buy this guy an express economy class one-way ticket to Kiev! and stick him front line together with the foreign legion merc’s!
So we can all enjoy our lives…
Good luck ol’chap!

Posted by: BGeorge | Sep 8 2023 21:48 utc | 358

Posted by: BGeorge | Sep 8 2023 21:48 utc | 182
This fascist rat with a liberal mask is already serving his duty to the empire as an operative in information warfare. Specifically, as a troll. He scores points whenever he is able to derail a thread.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 8 2023 21:53 utc | 359

Posted by: BGeorge | Sep 8 2023 21:48 utc | 182
This fascist rat with a liberal mask is already serving his duty to the empire as an operative in information warfare. Specifically, as a troll. He scores points whenever he is able to derail a thread.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 8 2023 21:53 utc | 360

Spanish Pipedream | Sep 8 2023 13:04 utc | 54
Fuck off with your swipe at Down South.
I haven’t sent you post previously… DS has posted telegram snippets from the start of the sloSMO, and many here appreciate it.
>… DS. Keep up your contributions M8.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 8 2023 21:54 utc | 361

Spanish Pipedream | Sep 8 2023 13:04 utc | 54
Fuck off with your swipe at Down South.
I haven’t sent you post previously… DS has posted telegram snippets from the start of the sloSMO, and many here appreciate it.
>… DS. Keep up your contributions M8.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 8 2023 21:54 utc | 362

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 8 2023 21:08 utc | 172
Oh yes, hell hath no passive aggression like a government agency scorned. Nuland and her clan are feared and hated by people who’ve have watched her stick her pudgy fingers in their pies, smirking all the while. The fear is beginning to wane though, now that Ukraine is slowly imploding, (holding up disaster relief to States until Congress approves the latest cash for the Ukrainian laundromat being the latest sign), but the aggression is only growing, unifying elements who would normally be combative towards one another. Reputations are at stake and, as the Obamite Godfather’s protection of Madame podgy wanes, now is the time to defend them with sharply worded memos and officially leaked reports.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 21:56 utc | 363

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 8 2023 21:08 utc | 172
Oh yes, hell hath no passive aggression like a government agency scorned. Nuland and her clan are feared and hated by people who’ve have watched her stick her pudgy fingers in their pies, smirking all the while. The fear is beginning to wane though, now that Ukraine is slowly imploding, (holding up disaster relief to States until Congress approves the latest cash for the Ukrainian laundromat being the latest sign), but the aggression is only growing, unifying elements who would normally be combative towards one another. Reputations are at stake and, as the Obamite Godfather’s protection of Madame podgy wanes, now is the time to defend them with sharply worded memos and officially leaked reports.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 8 2023 21:56 utc | 364

How long can the west make this war by printing money?

Posted by: simplex | Sep 8 2023 21:57 utc | 365

How long can the west make this war by printing money?

Posted by: simplex | Sep 8 2023 21:57 utc | 366

LoveDonbass | Sep 8 2023 21:09 utc | 173
A sad truth, spoken wisely, from Philosopher’s Corner of the bar. Cheers!

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 8 2023 22:08 utc | 367

LoveDonbass | Sep 8 2023 21:09 utc | 173
A sad truth, spoken wisely, from Philosopher’s Corner of the bar. Cheers!

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 8 2023 22:08 utc | 368

How long can the west make this war by printing money?
Posted by: simplex | Sep 8 2023 21:57 utc | 186
As long as the west can find weapons to buy for its money – and people willing to die for its money.

Posted by: Martina | Sep 8 2023 22:09 utc | 369

How long can the west make this war by printing money?
Posted by: simplex | Sep 8 2023 21:57 utc | 186
As long as the west can find weapons to buy for its money – and people willing to die for its money.

Posted by: Martina | Sep 8 2023 22:09 utc | 370

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 8 2023 22:08 utc | 187
i’m not sure exactly what the point was, though. was it that we can’t change anything, cuz human nature? obvious bs.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 8 2023 22:19 utc | 371

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 8 2023 22:08 utc | 187
i’m not sure exactly what the point was, though. was it that we can’t change anything, cuz human nature? obvious bs.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 8 2023 22:19 utc | 372

@Posted by: Squeeth | Sep 8 2023 20:51 utc | 169

@ Posted by: Roger | Sep 8 2023 20:35 utc | 165
You are wrong to conflate Jews and zionists, it is a zionist lie that an antisemite ideology like zionism is compatible with Judaism, they are opposites.

Many non-Jews are Zionists, especially in the US Christian communities. But also many Jews are Zionists and they consider Zionism completely compatible with their Jewish faith and are fully accepted by the Synagogues and the Jewish faith hierarchy. So you are saying that when they are finally judged the Zionists will be deemed to be heretics and damned to hell for eternity?

Posted by: Roger | Sep 8 2023 22:21 utc | 373

@Posted by: Squeeth | Sep 8 2023 20:51 utc | 169

@ Posted by: Roger | Sep 8 2023 20:35 utc | 165
You are wrong to conflate Jews and zionists, it is a zionist lie that an antisemite ideology like zionism is compatible with Judaism, they are opposites.

Many non-Jews are Zionists, especially in the US Christian communities. But also many Jews are Zionists and they consider Zionism completely compatible with their Jewish faith and are fully accepted by the Synagogues and the Jewish faith hierarchy. So you are saying that when they are finally judged the Zionists will be deemed to be heretics and damned to hell for eternity?

Posted by: Roger | Sep 8 2023 22:21 utc | 374

” Exactly what is UK planning to do? Bomb Russian Navy to prevent them from inspecting ships?
Posted by: Marvin | Sep 8 2023 17:28 utc | 120 ”
Not necessarily, the British will be there to document. What is Russia planning to do ? Fire on civilian ships if they refuse to be inspected ?

Posted by: Shocked | Sep 8 2023 22:25 utc | 375

” Exactly what is UK planning to do? Bomb Russian Navy to prevent them from inspecting ships?
Posted by: Marvin | Sep 8 2023 17:28 utc | 120 ”
Not necessarily, the British will be there to document. What is Russia planning to do ? Fire on civilian ships if they refuse to be inspected ?

Posted by: Shocked | Sep 8 2023 22:25 utc | 376

richard steven hacks latest from 2 hours ago..
Another Ukrainian Interlude…
The slaughter accelerates…Possible the worst day yet for Ukraine…

Posted by: james | Sep 8 2023 22:30 utc | 377

richard steven hacks latest from 2 hours ago..
Another Ukrainian Interlude…
The slaughter accelerates…Possible the worst day yet for Ukraine…

Posted by: james | Sep 8 2023 22:30 utc | 378

Not necessarily, the British will be there to document. What is Russia planning to do ? Fire on civilian ships if they refuse to be inspected ?
Posted by: Shocked | Sep 8 2023 22:25 utc | 191
And what are the captains going to do of these civilian ships? Put their crew and passengers at risk? I doubt it.If theyve nothing to hide then theres no problem. They’ll let the russian navy board and search, then, if ok, on your way!
In reality, weapon and ammo supplies to the Kiev regime are slowing down because the black sea entry points are being severly blocked by Russia. The slimey Brits are only interested in maintaining weapons and ammo supplies to Ukraine. Fuck all to do with rights on the sea lanes.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 8 2023 22:37 utc | 379

Not necessarily, the British will be there to document. What is Russia planning to do ? Fire on civilian ships if they refuse to be inspected ?
Posted by: Shocked | Sep 8 2023 22:25 utc | 191
And what are the captains going to do of these civilian ships? Put their crew and passengers at risk? I doubt it.If theyve nothing to hide then theres no problem. They’ll let the russian navy board and search, then, if ok, on your way!
In reality, weapon and ammo supplies to the Kiev regime are slowing down because the black sea entry points are being severly blocked by Russia. The slimey Brits are only interested in maintaining weapons and ammo supplies to Ukraine. Fuck all to do with rights on the sea lanes.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 8 2023 22:37 utc | 380

Boris “Colonel Cassad” Rozhin:
Exit from a protracted war. Ukraine is making its move.
I came across very interesting translated material with an analysis of the strategic, operational and tactical reasons for the failure of the Ukrainian offensive in the Zaporozhye direction.
Part No. 1. Zaporozhye blockbuster.
https://telegra.ph/Spasenie-ot-istoshcheniya-Ukraina-delaet-hod-29082023-Ponyatnyj-perevod-09-03
Part No. 2. Problems and conclusions.
https://telegra.ph/Vyhod-iz-zatyazhnoj-vojny-Ukraina-delaet-hod-29082023-Ponyatnyj-perevod-09-05
How will the war develop further? The question is whether we will believe that Ukraine will ever again have a more powerful assault potential than the one with which it began the summer. The answer is obvious – no.
Cobbling together these understaffed teams is like pulling their teeth out in advance. The hope that after the defeat in the battle for Zaporozhye, NATO will miraculously assemble an even more powerful contingent for Ukraine seems far-fetched. Moreover, American officials were quite clear that this was the best mechanized contingent that Ukraine could get.
It is foolish to argue with the assertion that this was Ukraine’s best chance for a real operational victory, which is now slowly turning into modest but extremely costly tactical successes. As a result, Ukraine will not be able to avoid a war of attrition. And this is precisely the war that she cannot win. Due to all the disproportions that we talked about earlier.
Also, Ukraine will not be able to win a protracted positional war due to its own maximalist definition of the concept of “victory.” Kyiv insists it will not surrender until it returns to its 1991 borders. And the failure to dislodge Russian forces poses a particularly vexing problem. You will either have to admit defeat and Russian control of the annexed territories, or continue to fight stubbornly until Ukraine turns into a failed state.
#source (https://t.me/boris_rozhin/97013?single)
@Slavyangrad

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 8 2023 22:38 utc | 381

Boris “Colonel Cassad” Rozhin:
Exit from a protracted war. Ukraine is making its move.
I came across very interesting translated material with an analysis of the strategic, operational and tactical reasons for the failure of the Ukrainian offensive in the Zaporozhye direction.
Part No. 1. Zaporozhye blockbuster.
https://telegra.ph/Spasenie-ot-istoshcheniya-Ukraina-delaet-hod-29082023-Ponyatnyj-perevod-09-03
Part No. 2. Problems and conclusions.
https://telegra.ph/Vyhod-iz-zatyazhnoj-vojny-Ukraina-delaet-hod-29082023-Ponyatnyj-perevod-09-05
How will the war develop further? The question is whether we will believe that Ukraine will ever again have a more powerful assault potential than the one with which it began the summer. The answer is obvious – no.
Cobbling together these understaffed teams is like pulling their teeth out in advance. The hope that after the defeat in the battle for Zaporozhye, NATO will miraculously assemble an even more powerful contingent for Ukraine seems far-fetched. Moreover, American officials were quite clear that this was the best mechanized contingent that Ukraine could get.
It is foolish to argue with the assertion that this was Ukraine’s best chance for a real operational victory, which is now slowly turning into modest but extremely costly tactical successes. As a result, Ukraine will not be able to avoid a war of attrition. And this is precisely the war that she cannot win. Due to all the disproportions that we talked about earlier.
Also, Ukraine will not be able to win a protracted positional war due to its own maximalist definition of the concept of “victory.” Kyiv insists it will not surrender until it returns to its 1991 borders. And the failure to dislodge Russian forces poses a particularly vexing problem. You will either have to admit defeat and Russian control of the annexed territories, or continue to fight stubbornly until Ukraine turns into a failed state.
#source (https://t.me/boris_rozhin/97013?single)
@Slavyangrad

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 8 2023 22:38 utc | 382

Boris “Colonel Cassad” Rozhin:
Exit from a protracted war. Ukraine is making its move.
I came across very interesting translated material with an analysis of the strategic, operational and tactical reasons for the failure of the Ukrainian offensive in the Zaporozhye direction.
Part No. 1. Zaporozhye blockbuster.
Part No. 2. Problems and conclusions.
How will the war develop further? The question is whether we will believe that Ukraine will ever again have a more powerful assault potential than the one with which it began the summer. The answer is obvious – no.
Cobbling together these understaffed teams is like pulling their teeth out in advance. The hope that after the defeat in the battle for Zaporozhye, NATO will miraculously assemble an even more powerful contingent for Ukraine seems far-fetched. Moreover, American officials were quite clear that this was the best mechanized contingent that Ukraine could get.
It is foolish to argue with the assertion that this was Ukraine’s best chance for a real operational victory, which is now slowly turning into modest but extremely costly tactical successes. As a result, Ukraine will not be able to avoid a war of attrition. And this is precisely the war that she cannot win. Due to all the disproportions that we talked about earlier.
Also, Ukraine will not be able to win a protracted positional war due to its own maximalist definition of the concept of “victory.” Kyiv insists it will not surrender until it returns to its 1991 borders. And the failure to dislodge Russian forces poses a particularly vexing problem. You will either have to admit defeat and Russian control of the annexed territories, or continue to fight stubbornly until Ukraine turns into a failed state.
#source (https://t.me/boris_rozhin/97013?single)
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/62378

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 8 2023 22:45 utc | 383

Boris “Colonel Cassad” Rozhin:
Exit from a protracted war. Ukraine is making its move.
I came across very interesting translated material with an analysis of the strategic, operational and tactical reasons for the failure of the Ukrainian offensive in the Zaporozhye direction.
Part No. 1. Zaporozhye blockbuster.
Part No. 2. Problems and conclusions.
How will the war develop further? The question is whether we will believe that Ukraine will ever again have a more powerful assault potential than the one with which it began the summer. The answer is obvious – no.
Cobbling together these understaffed teams is like pulling their teeth out in advance. The hope that after the defeat in the battle for Zaporozhye, NATO will miraculously assemble an even more powerful contingent for Ukraine seems far-fetched. Moreover, American officials were quite clear that this was the best mechanized contingent that Ukraine could get.
It is foolish to argue with the assertion that this was Ukraine’s best chance for a real operational victory, which is now slowly turning into modest but extremely costly tactical successes. As a result, Ukraine will not be able to avoid a war of attrition. And this is precisely the war that she cannot win. Due to all the disproportions that we talked about earlier.
Also, Ukraine will not be able to win a protracted positional war due to its own maximalist definition of the concept of “victory.” Kyiv insists it will not surrender until it returns to its 1991 borders. And the failure to dislodge Russian forces poses a particularly vexing problem. You will either have to admit defeat and Russian control of the annexed territories, or continue to fight stubbornly until Ukraine turns into a failed state.
#source (https://t.me/boris_rozhin/97013?single)
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/62378

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 8 2023 22:45 utc | 384

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 21:05 utc | 171
Police stations, mobilization centres and commissars should be on the Russian hit list too. Any regime apparatus that is suppressing the captive citizens needs to be destroyed to allow for mass disobedience to the inhumane regime.
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 8 2023 20:45 utc | 167
Cannot agree more…. those places should eat Geraniums…
INDY
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Ah, no. Stupid thinking, the both of you. That would be targetting bureaucrats at the counter and civilians waiting in the lines, lambs to the slaughter, as it were — everyday Ukrainians just doing their “job” at the point of the SBU gun, not to mention the premises next door and passers-by. And it wouldn’t change the system anyway, which would just open another office down the street after a whole lot of international PR against Russia.
Your sense of righteous bigotted vengence is on display again, Professor Dr George. For an educated guy, your shortsighted but wordy guff never ceases to amaze me. Did you and Suresh stop to think how many actual recruitment offices there might be in Ukraine? Possibly one in every town these days. Did you stop to think how many missiles, and the cost to RF, to take them out for so little tactical gain? No you didn’t. You just mouth off trite partisan shite worthy of @shadowbanned, whom you used to excoriate for identical posts. HYPOCRITE. You forget, your keyboard is but a mirror to your ugly mind.
And besides … one of Russia’s unspoken tactics is to allow the gradual breeding of general resentment in the civilian population over time against Kiev. Wait until (possibly, finally) a civil uprising burns such places down in retribution against having X million of their compatriots needlessly sacrificed in a lost proxy war against their Slavic brothers. Bombing those offices will only create more resentment against Russia than Kiev. DUH!
You obviously understand little about human nature and the effects of war upon it. It is better chess to let those men enlisting under pressure go to the front, get terrified by real battle, maybe wounded, maybe surrender, even die, but definitely they and their lived ones actually experience the folly of their deluded leaders, rather than be hit just as they sign their enlistment forms.
Don’t forget your meds at 8am, 2pm, and just before bedtime, George. It won’t help cos your condition is no doubt terminal.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 8 2023 22:51 utc | 385

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 21:05 utc | 171
Police stations, mobilization centres and commissars should be on the Russian hit list too. Any regime apparatus that is suppressing the captive citizens needs to be destroyed to allow for mass disobedience to the inhumane regime.
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 8 2023 20:45 utc | 167
Cannot agree more…. those places should eat Geraniums…
INDY
####
Ah, no. Stupid thinking, the both of you. That would be targetting bureaucrats at the counter and civilians waiting in the lines, lambs to the slaughter, as it were — everyday Ukrainians just doing their “job” at the point of the SBU gun, not to mention the premises next door and passers-by. And it wouldn’t change the system anyway, which would just open another office down the street after a whole lot of international PR against Russia.
Your sense of righteous bigotted vengence is on display again, Professor Dr George. For an educated guy, your shortsighted but wordy guff never ceases to amaze me. Did you and Suresh stop to think how many actual recruitment offices there might be in Ukraine? Possibly one in every town these days. Did you stop to think how many missiles, and the cost to RF, to take them out for so little tactical gain? No you didn’t. You just mouth off trite partisan shite worthy of @shadowbanned, whom you used to excoriate for identical posts. HYPOCRITE. You forget, your keyboard is but a mirror to your ugly mind.
And besides … one of Russia’s unspoken tactics is to allow the gradual breeding of general resentment in the civilian population over time against Kiev. Wait until (possibly, finally) a civil uprising burns such places down in retribution against having X million of their compatriots needlessly sacrificed in a lost proxy war against their Slavic brothers. Bombing those offices will only create more resentment against Russia than Kiev. DUH!
You obviously understand little about human nature and the effects of war upon it. It is better chess to let those men enlisting under pressure go to the front, get terrified by real battle, maybe wounded, maybe surrender, even die, but definitely they and their lived ones actually experience the folly of their deluded leaders, rather than be hit just as they sign their enlistment forms.
Don’t forget your meds at 8am, 2pm, and just before bedtime, George. It won’t help cos your condition is no doubt terminal.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 8 2023 22:51 utc | 386

@Down South | 8
In Krivoy Rog they arrive at the police building. More than 35 police officers have already been injured.
Previously, the Russian Federation had not hit police buildings in the Ukrainian rear, but then they struck with missiles. Why?
I thought this was interesting also. A focused attack on Ukrainian internal security forces and infrastructure could pay big dividends – especially in ethnically Russian areas that tend to be the target of a lot of Unkrainian “recruiting”.
Kill the policemen, kill the recruiters, kill the secret police and their files. We will then find out just what kind of grip Western Ukraine really has on it’s Russian provinces…

Posted by: danf51 | Sep 8 2023 22:53 utc | 387

@Down South | 8
In Krivoy Rog they arrive at the police building. More than 35 police officers have already been injured.
Previously, the Russian Federation had not hit police buildings in the Ukrainian rear, but then they struck with missiles. Why?
I thought this was interesting also. A focused attack on Ukrainian internal security forces and infrastructure could pay big dividends – especially in ethnically Russian areas that tend to be the target of a lot of Unkrainian “recruiting”.
Kill the policemen, kill the recruiters, kill the secret police and their files. We will then find out just what kind of grip Western Ukraine really has on it’s Russian provinces…

Posted by: danf51 | Sep 8 2023 22:53 utc | 388

A focused attack on Ukrainian internal security forces and infrastructure could pay big dividends
Posted by: danf51 | Sep 8 2023 22:53 utc | 196
Absoutely, and this is happening more and more. The russian spetznatz are operating behind the lines now in the north. This is a new tactic in the SMO. More and more they’ll get closer and closer and target individuals like Budanov and military high ups.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 8 2023 23:01 utc | 389

A focused attack on Ukrainian internal security forces and infrastructure could pay big dividends
Posted by: danf51 | Sep 8 2023 22:53 utc | 196
Absoutely, and this is happening more and more. The russian spetznatz are operating behind the lines now in the north. This is a new tactic in the SMO. More and more they’ll get closer and closer and target individuals like Budanov and military high ups.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 8 2023 23:01 utc | 390

The most massive case of genocide of the Soviet people in the Ukrainian SSR after Babi Yar took place in Donbass—according to modern estimates, up to 100 thousand Russians, Jews and Ukrainians dissatisfied with the occupation regime were thrown into the Donetsk mine shaft 4/4 bis. Most of them were shot, some were buried there alive,” Myagkov said.
Posted by: S | Sep 8 2023 21:23 utc | 175

This has got my BS antennae twitching. Despite its awfulness I’ve never heard of it which leads me to think the evidence is weak. I’m guessing no csi and just a few statements by eye-witnesses (probably Party members). As for Babi Yar…..well same really

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Sep 8 2023 23:04 utc | 391

The most massive case of genocide of the Soviet people in the Ukrainian SSR after Babi Yar took place in Donbass—according to modern estimates, up to 100 thousand Russians, Jews and Ukrainians dissatisfied with the occupation regime were thrown into the Donetsk mine shaft 4/4 bis. Most of them were shot, some were buried there alive,” Myagkov said.
Posted by: S | Sep 8 2023 21:23 utc | 175

This has got my BS antennae twitching. Despite its awfulness I’ve never heard of it which leads me to think the evidence is weak. I’m guessing no csi and just a few statements by eye-witnesses (probably Party members). As for Babi Yar…..well same really

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Sep 8 2023 23:04 utc | 392

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 8 2023 22:51 utc | 195
Funnily (or not) enough, the most loudest war advocates of Ukraine side seem to be pseudo-patriats writing blog posts or tweets out of Canada or Poland. The first one who is waking up are actually affected normal people inside Ukraine. Kiev will be able to garner up tens of thousands of more people with the latest tricks.
Zelensky kicked the military recruitment generals and replaced them with wounded servicemen. Everyone will get mobilized, including woman, mentally ill and physically impaired. Russia does what it needs to do to defend itself against Nato. Meanwhile individual passive resistance should weaken conscription efforts much lower than the coke head clown and his gang envisions.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 8 2023 23:16 utc | 393

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 8 2023 22:51 utc | 195
Funnily (or not) enough, the most loudest war advocates of Ukraine side seem to be pseudo-patriats writing blog posts or tweets out of Canada or Poland. The first one who is waking up are actually affected normal people inside Ukraine. Kiev will be able to garner up tens of thousands of more people with the latest tricks.
Zelensky kicked the military recruitment generals and replaced them with wounded servicemen. Everyone will get mobilized, including woman, mentally ill and physically impaired. Russia does what it needs to do to defend itself against Nato. Meanwhile individual passive resistance should weaken conscription efforts much lower than the coke head clown and his gang envisions.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 8 2023 23:16 utc | 394

i’m not sure exactly what the point was, though. was it that we can’t change anything, cuz human nature? obvious bs.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 8 2023 22:19 utc | 189
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Don’t ask ME what the point of it was. Ask @LoveDonbass.
And no, to your post. The wisdom is that yes, there are certain traits in SOME HUMANS that can’t/won’t be changed. Equally, there are SOME humans who CAN rise above basal instincts. Equally, there are SOME things/people we CAN change through kindly efforts.
Perhaps you’ve heard the famous axiom — but probably not by the sound of your binary thinking —
“God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference”.
Attributed to Reinhold Niebuhr, Lutheran theologian (1892–1971)
If you seriously think that everything about human nature is changeable, then you are a fantasist dreamer. Look inside yourself, then go and ask your parents about things in you which have remained the same since your childhood, and they will surely put their finger on it. Lol.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 8 2023 23:16 utc | 395

i’m not sure exactly what the point was, though. was it that we can’t change anything, cuz human nature? obvious bs.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 8 2023 22:19 utc | 189
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Don’t ask ME what the point of it was. Ask @LoveDonbass.
And no, to your post. The wisdom is that yes, there are certain traits in SOME HUMANS that can’t/won’t be changed. Equally, there are SOME humans who CAN rise above basal instincts. Equally, there are SOME things/people we CAN change through kindly efforts.
Perhaps you’ve heard the famous axiom — but probably not by the sound of your binary thinking —
“God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference”.
Attributed to Reinhold Niebuhr, Lutheran theologian (1892–1971)
If you seriously think that everything about human nature is changeable, then you are a fantasist dreamer. Look inside yourself, then go and ask your parents about things in you which have remained the same since your childhood, and they will surely put their finger on it. Lol.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 8 2023 23:16 utc | 396

Taking bets that there was a team to hide/remove the Azov and Red/Black OUN flags for the photo shoot. They are all over the place on other cemetery photos.

Posted by: daffyDuct | Sep 8 2023 23:21 utc | 397

Taking bets that there was a team to hide/remove the Azov and Red/Black OUN flags for the photo shoot. They are all over the place on other cemetery photos.

Posted by: daffyDuct | Sep 8 2023 23:21 utc | 398

Blinken looks most as an undertaker,
a mortician, radiating ice and cold?

Posted by: Reader | Sep 8 2023 23:25 utc | 399

Blinken looks most as an undertaker,
a mortician, radiating ice and cold?

Posted by: Reader | Sep 8 2023 23:25 utc | 400