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September 5, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-210
Another wonder-weapon has met its fate. ![]() bigger Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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simplicius latest for anyone who missed it.. Posted by: james | Sep 5 2023 15:41 utc | 1 simplicius latest for anyone who missed it.. Posted by: james | Sep 5 2023 15:41 utc | 2 Unless tanks can deploy active defense systems that provide hemispheric coverage, they have no future on the battlefield. Cheap drones can take out the biggest tanks if there is no means of disabling or destroying them. Like the armored knight, the battle tank may be relegated to the pages of history. Posted by: HH | Sep 5 2023 15:46 utc | 3 Unless tanks can deploy active defense systems that provide hemispheric coverage, they have no future on the battlefield. Cheap drones can take out the biggest tanks if there is no means of disabling or destroying them. Like the armored knight, the battle tank may be relegated to the pages of history. Posted by: HH | Sep 5 2023 15:46 utc | 4 VDV is counterattacking.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 5 2023 15:47 utc | 5 VDV is counterattacking.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 5 2023 15:47 utc | 6 History Legends channel has a video of AFU counter-offensive near Robotyne. RU is building more forts further south, they still hold the flanks and more reinforcements arrived from the Kupyansk and perhaps other sectors. Basically enough that RU could theoretically launch a counteroffensive either directly on the spent AFU spearhead or on their flanks further north, but we’ll see. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 15:48 utc | 7 History Legends channel has a video of AFU counter-offensive near Robotyne. RU is building more forts further south, they still hold the flanks and more reinforcements arrived from the Kupyansk and perhaps other sectors. Basically enough that RU could theoretically launch a counteroffensive either directly on the spent AFU spearhead or on their flanks further north, but we’ll see. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 15:48 utc | 8 The British army has just released a new recruitment ad, I’ve seen it on TV a few times now. It depicts what is clearly meant to be Ukraine (Steppe-style farm houses and a big wheat field) with British soldiers in a Chinook evacuating white civilians who look and are dressed like Eastern European Slavs. (Who are silent so they aren’t explicitly Ukrainian but who else they might be is a mystery) In the background you can see smoke from fires, this is a combat zone. The tagline is ironically, “You Belong Here”. Posted by: Altai | Sep 5 2023 15:54 utc | 9 The British army has just released a new recruitment ad, I’ve seen it on TV a few times now. It depicts what is clearly meant to be Ukraine (Steppe-style farm houses and a big wheat field) with British soldiers in a Chinook evacuating white civilians who look and are dressed like Eastern European Slavs. (Who are silent so they aren’t explicitly Ukrainian but who else they might be is a mystery) In the background you can see smoke from fires, this is a combat zone. The tagline is ironically, “You Belong Here”. Posted by: Altai | Sep 5 2023 15:54 utc | 10 UKR stepping up provocations via Kerch Bridge attacks – Posted by: AG | Sep 5 2023 15:58 utc | 11 UKR stepping up provocations via Kerch Bridge attacks – Posted by: AG | Sep 5 2023 15:58 utc | 12 The tagline is ironically, “You Belong Here”. Posted by: jpc | Sep 5 2023 16:06 utc | 13 The tagline is ironically, “You Belong Here”. Posted by: jpc | Sep 5 2023 16:06 utc | 14 https://t.me/CyberspecNews/41285 Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 5 2023 16:07 utc | 15 https://t.me/CyberspecNews/41285 Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 5 2023 16:07 utc | 16 >British-made tanks are about to sweep Putin’s conscripts aside – http://archive.today/NPud4 Posted by: leaf | Sep 5 2023 16:08 utc | 17 >British-made tanks are about to sweep Putin’s conscripts aside – http://archive.today/NPud4 Posted by: leaf | Sep 5 2023 16:08 utc | 18 How many Russian T72, T90, and Armatas have been lost in battle? I do not trust the Ukrainian / NATO numbers. BTW I am speaking about the RUSSIAN operated tanks, not the ones operated by Ukraine. Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Sep 5 2023 16:19 utc | 19 How many Russian T72, T90, and Armatas have been lost in battle? I do not trust the Ukrainian / NATO numbers. BTW I am speaking about the RUSSIAN operated tanks, not the ones operated by Ukraine. Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Sep 5 2023 16:19 utc | 20 At this stage im absolutely convinced several plots are afoot to assasinate Putin Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 5 2023 16:20 utc | 21 At this stage im absolutely convinced several plots are afoot to assasinate Putin Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 5 2023 16:20 utc | 22 Serving the Kool-Aid. Posted by: John Doe | Sep 5 2023 16:21 utc | 23 Serving the Kool-Aid. Posted by: John Doe | Sep 5 2023 16:21 utc | 24 From the Forbes article Posted by: Tommy | Sep 5 2023 16:26 utc | 25 From the Forbes article Posted by: Tommy | Sep 5 2023 16:26 utc | 26
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19521
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19523 Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:26 utc | 27
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19521
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19523 Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:26 utc | 28 @leaf 9 Posted by: AG | Sep 5 2023 16:27 utc | 29 @leaf 9 Posted by: AG | Sep 5 2023 16:27 utc | 30 Serving the Kool-Aid. Posted by: too scents | Sep 5 2023 16:27 utc | 31 Serving the Kool-Aid. Posted by: too scents | Sep 5 2023 16:27 utc | 32 As I posted at the beginning of this war, Russia should reduce every federal government building in western Ukraine to rubble. Then tell the military to cease any activity or get the same treatment. Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Sep 5 2023 16:27 utc | 33 As I posted at the beginning of this war, Russia should reduce every federal government building in western Ukraine to rubble. Then tell the military to cease any activity or get the same treatment. Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Sep 5 2023 16:27 utc | 34
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19530 Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:29 utc | 37
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19530 Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:29 utc | 38
Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:31 utc | 39
Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:31 utc | 40 🇬🇧 Cheer up Britain. There’s a first time for everything Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 5 2023 16:31 utc | 41 🇬🇧 Cheer up Britain. There’s a first time for everything Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 5 2023 16:31 utc | 42 @ Altai – 5 Posted by: Urban Fox | Sep 5 2023 16:32 utc | 43 @ Altai – 5 Posted by: Urban Fox | Sep 5 2023 16:32 utc | 44
Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:34 utc | 45
Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:34 utc | 46 It’s all operational tactics 101 now, the Ukrainians better hope the Russian’s don’t have an armoured division waiting, otherwise the historical parallels to Operation Fredericus will be getting eerily familiar. Posted by: Milites | Sep 5 2023 16:35 utc | 47 It’s all operational tactics 101 now, the Ukrainians better hope the Russian’s don’t have an armoured division waiting, otherwise the historical parallels to Operation Fredericus will be getting eerily familiar. Posted by: Milites | Sep 5 2023 16:35 utc | 48
Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:36 utc | 49
Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:36 utc | 50 Perhaps went unnoticed due to all events in Kleschevka and Robotyne-Verbove, but AFU also launched several attacks between Novodonetske and Novomaiorske (east of Urozhaine). Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 16:37 utc | 51 Perhaps went unnoticed due to all events in Kleschevka and Robotyne-Verbove, but AFU also launched several attacks between Novodonetske and Novomaiorske (east of Urozhaine). Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 16:37 utc | 52 Putin’s addressing the Pobeda Committee today, which will eventually appear at my substack. Zakharova has given her weekly briefing that begins with a preview of Lavrov’s activities this week followed by a rundown of events to occur at the upcoming eighth Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok September 10-13. As usual, her Ukraine review is lengthy, so I’ll just supply the following excerpt:
Yes, quite ugly. Any counter-argument from the fleas? Unmentioned this time is the vast black/dark market for Ukrainian children for body parts with infants being part of the supply. The same was done previously during the war to destroy Yugoslavia then Serbia by NATO whose dark side established the body parts network now being employed. I should add the comment Zakharova had to say about NATO earlier in her briefing:
Security is yet another reason to merge the ASEAN with the SCO.
As Putin points-out, the entire NeoNazi/NATO “norm” is against international law as there’re no statutes of limitation against Nazis and Nazism–an important fact buried by the West for obvious reasons. Putin’s addressing the Pobeda Committee today, which will eventually appear at my substack. Zakharova has given her weekly briefing that begins with a preview of Lavrov’s activities this week followed by a rundown of events to occur at the upcoming eighth Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok September 10-13. As usual, her Ukraine review is lengthy, so I’ll just supply the following excerpt:
Yes, quite ugly. Any counter-argument from the fleas? Unmentioned this time is the vast black/dark market for Ukrainian children for body parts with infants being part of the supply. The same was done previously during the war to destroy Yugoslavia then Serbia by NATO whose dark side established the body parts network now being employed. I should add the comment Zakharova had to say about NATO earlier in her briefing:
Security is yet another reason to merge the ASEAN with the SCO.
As Putin points-out, the entire NeoNazi/NATO “norm” is against international law as there’re no statutes of limitation against Nazis and Nazism–an important fact buried by the West for obvious reasons.
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Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:38 utc | 56 1) FYI David Axe (the Forbes writer) is a glorious nincompoop who thinks he knows something about warfare: a total elite chairborne warrior. He’s given me as many laughs as Father Dougal, although not quite as bright as that renowned Catholic seminarian. Posted by: JulianJ | Sep 5 2023 16:40 utc | 57 1) FYI David Axe (the Forbes writer) is a glorious nincompoop who thinks he knows something about warfare: a total elite chairborne warrior. He’s given me as many laughs as Father Dougal, although not quite as bright as that renowned Catholic seminarian. Posted by: JulianJ | Sep 5 2023 16:40 utc | 58 Down South Posted by: AG | Sep 5 2023 16:45 utc | 59 Down South Posted by: AG | Sep 5 2023 16:45 utc | 60 Posted by: AG | Sep 5 2023 16:45 utc | 30 Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:54 utc | 61 Posted by: AG | Sep 5 2023 16:45 utc | 30 Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:54 utc | 62 even today the Ukronazis bombed the city of Donetsk Posted by: A.cagliostro | Sep 5 2023 16:54 utc | 63 even today the Ukronazis bombed the city of Donetsk Posted by: A.cagliostro | Sep 5 2023 16:54 utc | 64 Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:54 utc | 31 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 5 2023 16:55 utc | 65 Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:54 utc | 31 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 5 2023 16:55 utc | 66 Post on a website that is seen as having the pulse of the MAGA constituency. Posted by: Milites | Sep 5 2023 16:57 utc | 67 Post on a website that is seen as having the pulse of the MAGA constituency. Posted by: Milites | Sep 5 2023 16:57 utc | 68 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 5 2023 16:55 utc | 33 Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:59 utc | 69 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 5 2023 16:55 utc | 33 Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 16:59 utc | 70 “At this stage im absolutely convinced several plots are afoot to assasinate Putin Posted by: Comandante | Sep 5 2023 16:59 utc | 71 “At this stage im absolutely convinced several plots are afoot to assasinate Putin Posted by: Comandante | Sep 5 2023 16:59 utc | 72 Posted by: Comandante | Sep 5 2023 16:59 utc | 36 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 17:04 utc | 73 Posted by: Comandante | Sep 5 2023 16:59 utc | 36 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 17:04 utc | 74 ” At this stage im absolutely convinced several plots are afoot to assasinate Putin Posted by: Shocked | Sep 5 2023 17:04 utc | 75 ” At this stage im absolutely convinced several plots are afoot to assasinate Putin Posted by: Shocked | Sep 5 2023 17:04 utc | 76 @JulianJ 29 Posted by: AG | Sep 5 2023 17:08 utc | 77 @JulianJ 29 Posted by: AG | Sep 5 2023 17:08 utc | 78 There is a prophecy out there that ww3 starts with the assassination of “the third man”. Commonly interpreted as the 3rd powerfull man in the world. Posted by: Orgel | Sep 5 2023 17:11 utc | 79 There is a prophecy out there that ww3 starts with the assassination of “the third man”. Commonly interpreted as the 3rd powerfull man in the world. Posted by: Orgel | Sep 5 2023 17:11 utc | 80 “You Belong Here”. Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 5 2023 17:13 utc | 81 “You Belong Here”. Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 5 2023 17:13 utc | 82 Posted by: JulianJ | Sep 5 2023 16:40 utc | 29 Posted by: Ed4 | Sep 5 2023 17:23 utc | 83 Posted by: JulianJ | Sep 5 2023 16:40 utc | 29 Posted by: Ed4 | Sep 5 2023 17:23 utc | 84 According to Ray McGovern on today’s Judge Napolitano program, Judging Freedom: Russian President Putin, apparently with the blessing from President Xi, has given (sold?) ICBMs to North Korea that can (according to McGovern) reach Washington D.C. or New York. Posted by: Ed | Sep 5 2023 17:27 utc | 85 According to Ray McGovern on today’s Judge Napolitano program, Judging Freedom: Russian President Putin, apparently with the blessing from President Xi, has given (sold?) ICBMs to North Korea that can (according to McGovern) reach Washington D.C. or New York. Posted by: Ed | Sep 5 2023 17:27 utc | 86
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19533 Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 17:42 utc | 87
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19533 Posted by: Down South | Sep 5 2023 17:42 utc | 88 Some unknown number of the “lost” ones have been recovered and repaired. This happens on both sides. Posted by: JulianJ | Sep 5 2023 17:43 utc | 89 Some unknown number of the “lost” ones have been recovered and repaired. This happens on both sides. Posted by: JulianJ | Sep 5 2023 17:43 utc | 90 One other thing, tanks that catch fire are generally considered irrecoverable, because so much damage is done and the heat causes the armour to lose its protective shielding, especially so in modern composite armours which have plastic, rubber and aluminium components. Posted by: JulianJ | Sep 5 2023 17:49 utc | 91 One other thing, tanks that catch fire are generally considered irrecoverable, because so much damage is done and the heat causes the armour to lose its protective shielding, especially so in modern composite armours which have plastic, rubber and aluminium components. Posted by: JulianJ | Sep 5 2023 17:49 utc | 92 If Russia want to win it should start destruction of Ukro 750KV electrical network now. Posted by: simplex | Sep 5 2023 17:55 utc | 93 If Russia want to win it should start destruction of Ukro 750KV electrical network now. Posted by: simplex | Sep 5 2023 17:55 utc | 94 Without an adequate advancing force with fast transport, tanks are dubious as now they have to go for the front at maximum speed as not to get hit by local artillery. The path and deviations has to be cleared. Posted by: T S | Sep 5 2023 18:01 utc | 95 Without an adequate advancing force with fast transport, tanks are dubious as now they have to go for the front at maximum speed as not to get hit by local artillery. The path and deviations has to be cleared. Posted by: T S | Sep 5 2023 18:01 utc | 96 Posted by: Ed | Sep 5 2023 17:27 utc | 43 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 18:16 utc | 97 Posted by: Ed | Sep 5 2023 17:27 utc | 43 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 18:16 utc | 98 It’s official. Ukraine’s counteroffensive has miserably failed. Posted by: AI | Sep 5 2023 18:27 utc | 99 It’s official. Ukraine’s counteroffensive has miserably failed. Posted by: AI | Sep 5 2023 18:27 utc | 100 |
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