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September 3, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-209
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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But as I understand Dima differently. Slowly, as maggots, Ukrainians are eating their way and moving forward. No matter how many died, no matter the pain, no regret. Their fantasies about “being a member of European family” are holding their fighting spirit. In a IWW manner, human ways, one after another are the pushing Russians. With pure numbers. Meat only. Posted by: simplex | Sep 5 2023 9:09 utc | 601 But as I understand Dima differently. Slowly, as maggots, Ukrainians are eating their way and moving forward. No matter how many died, no matter the pain, no regret. Their fantasies about “being a member of European family” are holding their fighting spirit. In a IWW manner, human ways, one after another are the pushing Russians. With pure numbers. Meat only. Posted by: simplex | Sep 5 2023 9:09 utc | 602
Alexander Mercouris explained that the British are far more invested in this Ukraine project than the US. Maybe the US doesn’t have such a difficult time letting things go. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 9:11 utc | 603
Alexander Mercouris explained that the British are far more invested in this Ukraine project than the US. Maybe the US doesn’t have such a difficult time letting things go. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 9:11 utc | 604 Hi folks, this isn’t so much related to the Ukraine war, but really it might be. Posted by: Tichy | Sep 5 2023 9:14 utc | 605 Hi folks, this isn’t so much related to the Ukraine war, but really it might be. Posted by: Tichy | Sep 5 2023 9:14 utc | 606 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 9:11 utc | 303 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 5 2023 9:14 utc | 607 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 9:11 utc | 303 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 5 2023 9:14 utc | 608 Video 1:30 mins about #FakeNews in the Donbas Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 9:19 utc | 609 Video 1:30 mins about #FakeNews in the Donbas Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 9:19 utc | 610 Apparently a challenger 2 has been destroyed in the Ukraine. Posted by: jpc | Sep 5 2023 9:24 utc | 611 Apparently a challenger 2 has been destroyed in the Ukraine. Posted by: jpc | Sep 5 2023 9:24 utc | 612 Apparently a challenger 2 has been destroyed in the Ukraine. Posted by: Tichy | Sep 5 2023 9:26 utc | 613 Apparently a challenger 2 has been destroyed in the Ukraine. Posted by: Tichy | Sep 5 2023 9:26 utc | 614 And oh dear God… Posted by: Tichy | Sep 5 2023 9:28 utc | 615 And oh dear God… Posted by: Tichy | Sep 5 2023 9:28 utc | 616 🇷🇺🇺🇦🏴☠️🇩🇪🇫🇷 9 years ago, the Minsk Agreements were signed for the first time. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 9:33 utc | 617 🇷🇺🇺🇦🏴☠️🇩🇪🇫🇷 9 years ago, the Minsk Agreements were signed for the first time. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 9:33 utc | 618 @ Tichy | Sep 5 2023 9:28 utc | 309 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 9:43 utc | 619 @ Tichy | Sep 5 2023 9:28 utc | 309 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 9:43 utc | 620 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 9:43 utc | 311 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 5 2023 9:51 utc | 621 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 9:43 utc | 311 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 5 2023 9:51 utc | 622 @ Tichy | Sep 5 2023 9:28 utc | 309 Posted by: Tichy | Sep 5 2023 9:54 utc | 623 @ Tichy | Sep 5 2023 9:28 utc | 309 Posted by: Tichy | Sep 5 2023 9:54 utc | 624 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 9:43 utc | 311 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 10:02 utc | 625 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 9:43 utc | 311 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 10:02 utc | 626 In other news (outside Ukraine) one of the problems with a “slow and steady SMO” is that “Germany handed over ammunition for Gepard anti-aircraft self-propelled guns, newly produced on the restored production line, to Ukraine.” Posted by: Ed4 | Sep 5 2023 10:42 utc | 627 In other news (outside Ukraine) one of the problems with a “slow and steady SMO” is that “Germany handed over ammunition for Gepard anti-aircraft self-propelled guns, newly produced on the restored production line, to Ukraine.” Posted by: Ed4 | Sep 5 2023 10:42 utc | 628 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 4 2023 22:42 utc | 256 Posted by: Ed4 | Sep 5 2023 10:58 utc | 629 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 4 2023 22:42 utc | 256 Posted by: Ed4 | Sep 5 2023 10:58 utc | 630 It’s pretty obvious that as Nato started using underwater drones, that would limit what RU navy can do in the vicinity the Moldova/Transnistria/Odessa region. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 11:12 utc | 631 It’s pretty obvious that as Nato started using underwater drones, that would limit what RU navy can do in the vicinity the Moldova/Transnistria/Odessa region. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 11:12 utc | 632 Posted by: Ed4 | Sep 5 2023 10:58 utc | 316 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 5 2023 11:14 utc | 633 Posted by: Ed4 | Sep 5 2023 10:58 utc | 316 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 5 2023 11:14 utc | 634 Re: Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 9:33 utc | 310 Posted by: Julian | Sep 5 2023 11:19 utc | 635 Re: Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 9:33 utc | 310 Posted by: Julian | Sep 5 2023 11:19 utc | 636 re: Passerby | Sep 4 2023 16:00 utc | 209 Posted by: Steven Starr | Sep 5 2023 11:21 utc | 637 re: Passerby | Sep 4 2023 16:00 utc | 209 Posted by: Steven Starr | Sep 5 2023 11:21 utc | 638 Posted by: Julian | Sep 5 2023 11:19 utc | 319 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 5 2023 11:26 utc | 639 Posted by: Julian | Sep 5 2023 11:19 utc | 319 Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 5 2023 11:26 utc | 640 Re: Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 5 2023 11:26 utc | 321
Yep – apparently the shooting only started in January 2014. Posted by: Julian | Sep 5 2023 11:33 utc | 641 Re: Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 5 2023 11:26 utc | 321
Yep – apparently the shooting only started in January 2014. Posted by: Julian | Sep 5 2023 11:33 utc | 642 This war didn’t start in 2014 Posted by: too scents | Sep 5 2023 11:34 utc | 643 This war didn’t start in 2014 Posted by: too scents | Sep 5 2023 11:34 utc | 644 … This claims it (Gepard ) takes 6 rounds to drop a drone. … Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 5 2023 11:41 utc | 645 … This claims it (Gepard ) takes 6 rounds to drop a drone. … Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 5 2023 11:41 utc | 646 Things are not going well for the allies when you look at this. If there’s one place where all should be well oiled, plain sailing, it is surely the rabotino area. been there for some time, was predictable, is obviously really important, is easily accessible for support, story is ‘we’ have the arms, the munitions, the troops – right? Posted by: arthur brogard | Sep 5 2023 11:43 utc | 647 Things are not going well for the allies when you look at this. If there’s one place where all should be well oiled, plain sailing, it is surely the rabotino area. been there for some time, was predictable, is obviously really important, is easily accessible for support, story is ‘we’ have the arms, the munitions, the troops – right? Posted by: arthur brogard | Sep 5 2023 11:43 utc | 648 Re: Posted by: arthur brogard | Sep 5 2023 11:43 utc | 325 Posted by: Julian | Sep 5 2023 11:47 utc | 649 Re: Posted by: arthur brogard | Sep 5 2023 11:43 utc | 325 Posted by: Julian | Sep 5 2023 11:47 utc | 650 I was before in favor of Russia performing slow motion war, but now I think that would lead to Russian defeat if continued. Posted by: Simplex | Sep 5 2023 11:53 utc | 651 I was before in favor of Russia performing slow motion war, but now I think that would lead to Russian defeat if continued. Posted by: Simplex | Sep 5 2023 11:53 utc | 652 Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 5 2023 11:41 utc | 324 Posted by: Ed4 | Sep 5 2023 12:09 utc | 653 Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 5 2023 11:41 utc | 324 Posted by: Ed4 | Sep 5 2023 12:09 utc | 654 my understanding from reading yesterday is that they still haven’t gotten past a dragon’s teeth barrier but i may be wrong. Posted by: Mike R | Sep 5 2023 13:11 utc | 655 my understanding from reading yesterday is that they still haven’t gotten past a dragon’s teeth barrier but i may be wrong. Posted by: Mike R | Sep 5 2023 13:11 utc | 656 Re: “Putin’s way to avoid a new grain deal … at least Ergodan is happy.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 5 2023 13:38 utc | 657 Re: “Putin’s way to avoid a new grain deal … at least Ergodan is happy.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 5 2023 13:38 utc | 658 🇷🇺🇺🇦 Orekhovsky area Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 13:57 utc | 659 🇷🇺🇺🇦 Orekhovsky area Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 13:57 utc | 660 The report, according to MOD report and Military summary and Weeb union reports was AFU was forced to move their western artillery systems closer to the front between Verbove and Robotyne. This led them immediately becoming more susceptible to drones and counter fire, leading a large bunch of destroyed over past days in this area. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 14:01 utc | 661 The report, according to MOD report and Military summary and Weeb union reports was AFU was forced to move their western artillery systems closer to the front between Verbove and Robotyne. This led them immediately becoming more susceptible to drones and counter fire, leading a large bunch of destroyed over past days in this area. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 5 2023 14:01 utc | 662 “The Defense Ministry has already turned on the heating in its facilities across five Russian regions. In general, preparatory work “has been completed in full,” and in the Far North “fuel reserve standards have been met.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 5 2023 14:04 utc | 663 “The Defense Ministry has already turned on the heating in its facilities across five Russian regions. In general, preparatory work “has been completed in full,” and in the Far North “fuel reserve standards have been met.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 5 2023 14:04 utc | 664 https://nationalinterest.org/feature/ukrainian-refugees-are-not-others-206748 Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 5 2023 14:32 utc | 665 https://nationalinterest.org/feature/ukrainian-refugees-are-not-others-206748 Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 5 2023 14:32 utc | 666 per cyberspec, Russia has launched a counterattack in the Rabotina area Posted by: ctiger | Sep 5 2023 15:12 utc | 667 per cyberspec, Russia has launched a counterattack in the Rabotina area Posted by: ctiger | Sep 5 2023 15:12 utc | 668 Saw a video from drone footage, where a soldier lost his buddy because they were under artillery fire, he laid down weapon and took off helmet in order to do a farewell prayer. While there was still artillery raining down. f*** war Posted by: Tortuosit | Sep 5 2023 15:15 utc | 669 Saw a video from drone footage, where a soldier lost his buddy because they were under artillery fire, he laid down weapon and took off helmet in order to do a farewell prayer. While there was still artillery raining down. f*** war Posted by: Tortuosit | Sep 5 2023 15:15 utc | 670 Refreshed by an August long vacation, John Helmer, the longest serving foreign corespondent in Moscow, is back at work. Posted by: bevin | Sep 5 2023 15:23 utc | 671 Refreshed by an August long vacation, John Helmer, the longest serving foreign corespondent in Moscow, is back at work. Posted by: bevin | Sep 5 2023 15:23 utc | 672 @ArchBungle: Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 5 2023 15:35 utc | 673 @ArchBungle: Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 5 2023 15:35 utc | 674 Can anyone here tell me what happened to Southfront.org? It got its DNS (domain name server) taken down. I assume it was an FSB front, but it was a vital balance to the pro-NATO propaganda. I got wind of it via antiwar.com. When I do a WHOIS, it looks to be registered in Russia. If the Russians took it down because SouthFront occasionally would mention Ukrainian successes, then the Russian oligarchy are so stupid they do deserve to lose this war. I was devouring southfront.org every day during the battle of Bakhmut. When their maps showed occasional Russian losses, I came to trust them. Now I have no idea what is going on, other than the NTY, WP, Economist, and WSJ are surely in the pocket of war profiteers. Posted by: SportsterPaul | Sep 5 2023 18:22 utc | 675 Can anyone here tell me what happened to Southfront.org? It got its DNS (domain name server) taken down. I assume it was an FSB front, but it was a vital balance to the pro-NATO propaganda. I got wind of it via antiwar.com. When I do a WHOIS, it looks to be registered in Russia. If the Russians took it down because SouthFront occasionally would mention Ukrainian successes, then the Russian oligarchy are so stupid they do deserve to lose this war. I was devouring southfront.org every day during the battle of Bakhmut. When their maps showed occasional Russian losses, I came to trust them. Now I have no idea what is going on, other than the NTY, WP, Economist, and WSJ are surely in the pocket of war profiteers. Posted by: SportsterPaul | Sep 5 2023 18:22 utc | 676 Major disagreements in Western mainstream media coverage may indicate major fractures within the intel alliance. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 5 2023 18:47 utc | 677 Major disagreements in Western mainstream media coverage may indicate major fractures within the intel alliance. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 5 2023 18:47 utc | 678 Can anyone here tell me what happened to Southfront.org? Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 5 2023 18:57 utc | 679 Can anyone here tell me what happened to Southfront.org? Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 5 2023 18:57 utc | 680 Thank you so much Acco Hengst. Southfront.org was the only place that would show maps of ground actually taken by Ukrainians. They showed the farmland south of Bakhmut that Ukrainians took back. They also showed the vital railroad line that was still in Russian hands. They also showed the true advances along the line. I suppose most people here know the Institute for the Study of War, that even Al Jeezera uses, is a neo-con crony operation with Victoria Nuland’s relatives given nice cushy jobs. Posted by: SportsterPaul | Sep 5 2023 19:50 utc | 681 Thank you so much Acco Hengst. Southfront.org was the only place that would show maps of ground actually taken by Ukrainians. They showed the farmland south of Bakhmut that Ukrainians took back. They also showed the vital railroad line that was still in Russian hands. They also showed the true advances along the line. I suppose most people here know the Institute for the Study of War, that even Al Jeezera uses, is a neo-con crony operation with Victoria Nuland’s relatives given nice cushy jobs. Posted by: SportsterPaul | Sep 5 2023 19:50 utc | 682 Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 5 2023 15:35 utc | 338 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 5 2023 22:43 utc | 683 Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 5 2023 15:35 utc | 338 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 5 2023 22:43 utc | 684 |
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