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September 2, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-207
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Looks like the last push from their reserves is running out of steam. They made some headway, but seems like ukraine will be going on the defence. Lots of artillery and ammo and light vehicles, but no second tank coalition being formed. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 2 2023 18:08 utc | 1 Looks like the last push from their reserves is running out of steam. They made some headway, but seems like ukraine will be going on the defence. Lots of artillery and ammo and light vehicles, but no second tank coalition being formed. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 2 2023 18:08 utc | 2 any creative ideas on how to deal with this aussie drones? Posted by: james | Sep 2 2023 18:16 utc | 3 any creative ideas on how to deal with this aussie drones? Posted by: james | Sep 2 2023 18:16 utc | 4 @1 There is no need for ‘big arrows’; time is on Russia’s side. Attrition is the most economical use of resources and lives especially when you are behind prepared defenses. @1 There is no need for ‘big arrows’; time is on Russia’s side. Attrition is the most economical use of resources and lives especially when you are behind prepared defenses. @james Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 2 2023 18:24 utc | 7 @james Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 2 2023 18:24 utc | 8 james @ 2
A boomerang? Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 2 2023 18:36 utc | 9 james @ 2
A boomerang? Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 2 2023 18:36 utc | 10 thanks for the feedback…. ”these” drones are a problem.. spelling typo in my post @ 2.. Posted by: james | Sep 2 2023 18:38 utc | 11 thanks for the feedback…. ”these” drones are a problem.. spelling typo in my post @ 2.. Posted by: james | Sep 2 2023 18:38 utc | 12 Russia will compel the MIC controlled Western media to negotiate with itself, a self goal when in conflict, as it can’t help endlessly striving to appear that it has the ability to foretell, and even influence, the endgame of Russia’s SMO. Posted by: Babel-17 | Sep 2 2023 18:39 utc | 13 Russia will compel the MIC controlled Western media to negotiate with itself, a self goal when in conflict, as it can’t help endlessly striving to appear that it has the ability to foretell, and even influence, the endgame of Russia’s SMO. Posted by: Babel-17 | Sep 2 2023 18:39 utc | 14 The headline is “Spain’s Ministry of Defence donates rifles almost a quarter of a century old to Ukraine border guards” Posted by: FakeBelieve | Sep 2 2023 18:39 utc | 15 The headline is “Spain’s Ministry of Defence donates rifles almost a quarter of a century old to Ukraine border guards” Posted by: FakeBelieve | Sep 2 2023 18:39 utc | 16 What next? Posted by: Satepestage | Sep 2 2023 18:40 utc | 17 What next? Posted by: Satepestage | Sep 2 2023 18:40 utc | 18
Biggest problem with that kind of thing is always going to be seeing it. Once you see it you could take it out with a firework. I don’t know what the thermal profile would look like but a little cardboard frame is going to be very difficult to pick up, especially at night if it’s flying low. Sonic profile? The world is a noisy place. Posted by: Due West | Sep 2 2023 18:59 utc | 19
Biggest problem with that kind of thing is always going to be seeing it. Once you see it you could take it out with a firework. I don’t know what the thermal profile would look like but a little cardboard frame is going to be very difficult to pick up, especially at night if it’s flying low. Sonic profile? The world is a noisy place. Posted by: Due West | Sep 2 2023 18:59 utc | 20 Assessment of Russia’s Offensive Capability Posted by: young | Sep 2 2023 19:00 utc | 21 Assessment of Russia’s Offensive Capability Posted by: young | Sep 2 2023 19:00 utc | 22
You know the saying “Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics”? If I look at Shoigu’s work, i do not yet know if he will be a great military leader, but i can say for sure he is a professional. Posted by: HEL | Sep 2 2023 19:06 utc | 23
You know the saying “Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics”? If I look at Shoigu’s work, i do not yet know if he will be a great military leader, but i can say for sure he is a professional. Posted by: HEL | Sep 2 2023 19:06 utc | 24 The mercenaries are running away too. Posted by: Jusses | Sep 2 2023 19:17 utc | 25 The mercenaries are running away too. Posted by: Jusses | Sep 2 2023 19:17 utc | 26 I am watching the BBC series about WW1, that Scorpion recommended in the general thread. The might of German industrial production is shown to be far ahead of that of France and England. A great quote “In Britain Guns and Shells were still being produced by a system designed for small armies and small wars”. Just like the Western arms industry producing for small short wars against weak opponents while prioritizing profiteering. In 1915, the British and French were rationing shells, being overwhelmed by the much better supplied Germans. In the East, the Russians didn’t even have enough guns for their soldiers. I am watching the BBC series about WW1, that Scorpion recommended in the general thread. The might of German industrial production is shown to be far ahead of that of France and England. A great quote “In Britain Guns and Shells were still being produced by a system designed for small armies and small wars”. Just like the Western arms industry producing for small short wars against weak opponents while prioritizing profiteering. In 1915, the British and French were rationing shells, being overwhelmed by the much better supplied Germans. In the East, the Russians didn’t even have enough guns for their soldiers. @Posted by: Jusses | Sep 2 2023 19:17 utc | 13 @Posted by: Jusses | Sep 2 2023 19:17 utc | 13 My guess is russia let’s it pause all the way till elections and the gas contracts run out. Then it’s bad news for pro empire politicians in the US, and really bad for Europe who won’t be able to pretend they’ve stopped using russian energy much more. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 2 2023 19:26 utc | 31 My guess is russia let’s it pause all the way till elections and the gas contracts run out. Then it’s bad news for pro empire politicians in the US, and really bad for Europe who won’t be able to pretend they’ve stopped using russian energy much more. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 2 2023 19:26 utc | 32
A drone based Super Soaker? Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 2 2023 19:27 utc | 33
A drone based Super Soaker? Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 2 2023 19:27 utc | 34 Posted by: HEL | Sep 2 2023 19:06 utc | 12 Posted by: young | Sep 2 2023 19:40 utc | 35 Posted by: HEL | Sep 2 2023 19:06 utc | 12 Posted by: young | Sep 2 2023 19:40 utc | 36 @ Due West | Sep 2 2023 18:59 utc | 10 Posted by: james | Sep 2 2023 19:46 utc | 37 @ Due West | Sep 2 2023 18:59 utc | 10 Posted by: james | Sep 2 2023 19:46 utc | 38 The citizens of Donetsk would certainly appreciate some kind of offensive that would finally end the shelling of their city and murder of their families. Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 2 2023 19:51 utc | 39 The citizens of Donetsk would certainly appreciate some kind of offensive that would finally end the shelling of their city and murder of their families. Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 2 2023 19:51 utc | 40 Dima says that Russia is in serious situation, regarding the situation in Robotyne. Posted by: simplex | Sep 2 2023 19:56 utc | 41 Dima says that Russia is in serious situation, regarding the situation in Robotyne. Posted by: simplex | Sep 2 2023 19:56 utc | 42 Military summary/Dima seems to think that AFU will launch a large attack with tanks south, between Verbove and Novopokrivka towards the village Ocheretuvate, with some secondary attacks to the east and west. And RU is deploying an entire army from Kupyansk to that line. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 2 2023 19:57 utc | 43 Military summary/Dima seems to think that AFU will launch a large attack with tanks south, between Verbove and Novopokrivka towards the village Ocheretuvate, with some secondary attacks to the east and west. And RU is deploying an entire army from Kupyansk to that line. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 2 2023 19:57 utc | 44 RU is strengthening their position in Robotyne to repel the attack, but for AFU it is the thing that could break the camel’s back. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 2 2023 19:59 utc | 45 RU is strengthening their position in Robotyne to repel the attack, but for AFU it is the thing that could break the camel’s back. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 2 2023 19:59 utc | 46 Posted by: young | Sep 2 2023 19:40 utc | 18 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:01 utc | 47 Posted by: young | Sep 2 2023 19:40 utc | 18 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:01 utc | 48 Slavyangrad reports…. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 20:10 utc | 49 Slavyangrad reports…. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 20:10 utc | 50 Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 2 2023 19:51 utc | 20 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:10 utc | 51 Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 2 2023 19:51 utc | 20 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:10 utc | 52 @21 simplex Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 2 2023 20:13 utc | 53 @21 simplex Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 2 2023 20:13 utc | 54 @16 Posted by: Ahenobarbus Posted by: Koba | Sep 2 2023 20:14 utc | 55 @16 Posted by: Ahenobarbus Posted by: Koba | Sep 2 2023 20:14 utc | 56 Finally a comment which acknowledges Shiogu’s writ… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 20:18 utc | 57 Finally a comment which acknowledges Shiogu’s writ… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 20:18 utc | 58 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:01 utc | 24 Posted by: young | Sep 2 2023 20:20 utc | 59 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:01 utc | 24 Posted by: young | Sep 2 2023 20:20 utc | 60 Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 20:10 utc | 25 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 2 2023 20:21 utc | 61 Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 20:10 utc | 25 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 2 2023 20:21 utc | 62
That V.V., I swear, has quite a sense of humor. Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 2 2023 20:24 utc | 63
That V.V., I swear, has quite a sense of humor. Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 2 2023 20:24 utc | 64 Anyone paying attention in Syria? Seems all hell has broken loose, hard to figure out who is who, new element is Arab tribes now, and TG posts are all over the place on who is on who’s side, CIG/ Telegram seems to be the most focused. I could never figure out what the Kurds were up to at any time in the last 30 years, but I think I got it, they are the spoiler, working for the USA and themselves to keeps the wars in area going forever. It’s their bread and butter at this point. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 2 2023 20:25 utc | 65 Anyone paying attention in Syria? Seems all hell has broken loose, hard to figure out who is who, new element is Arab tribes now, and TG posts are all over the place on who is on who’s side, CIG/ Telegram seems to be the most focused. I could never figure out what the Kurds were up to at any time in the last 30 years, but I think I got it, they are the spoiler, working for the USA and themselves to keeps the wars in area going forever. It’s their bread and butter at this point. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 2 2023 20:25 utc | 66 My guess is Putin is waiting to see if he gets a new group to negotiate with before going all in. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 2 2023 20:27 utc | 67 My guess is Putin is waiting to see if he gets a new group to negotiate with before going all in. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 2 2023 20:27 utc | 68 Re: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:10 utc | 26 Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 2 2023 20:27 utc | 69 Re: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:10 utc | 26 Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 2 2023 20:27 utc | 70 Russia’s offense has been to straighten the zero line and to slowly advance forward. Using this single approach has its vulnerabilities. Over time the West will find the weaknesses of such a tactic and exploit them to Russia’s hurt. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:33 utc | 71 Russia’s offense has been to straighten the zero line and to slowly advance forward. Using this single approach has its vulnerabilities. Over time the West will find the weaknesses of such a tactic and exploit them to Russia’s hurt. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:33 utc | 72 My guess is Russia let’s it pause all the way till elections and the gas contracts run out. Then it’s bad news for pro empire politicians in the US, and really bad for Europe who won’t be able to pretend they’ve stopped using Russian energy much more. Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 2 2023 20:36 utc | 73 My guess is Russia let’s it pause all the way till elections and the gas contracts run out. Then it’s bad news for pro empire politicians in the US, and really bad for Europe who won’t be able to pretend they’ve stopped using Russian energy much more. Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 2 2023 20:36 utc | 74 Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 2 2023 20:27 utc | 35 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:37 utc | 75 Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 2 2023 20:27 utc | 35 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:37 utc | 76 …>No “Big Arrow” moves …. Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 2 2023 20:52 utc | 77 …>No “Big Arrow” moves …. Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 2 2023 20:52 utc | 78 @33 “I could never figure out what the Kurds were up to at any time in the last 30 years..” @33 “I could never figure out what the Kurds were up to at any time in the last 30 years..” If Mediazona’s count of Russian casualties in Ukraine is accurate – and it probably is – Russian losses tapered off over the month of August to the point they’re now hardly worse than American ones at the height of the Iraq War. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 2 2023 21:08 utc | 81 If Mediazona’s count of Russian casualties in Ukraine is accurate – and it probably is – Russian losses tapered off over the month of August to the point they’re now hardly worse than American ones at the height of the Iraq War. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 2 2023 21:08 utc | 82 Armchair Warlord tweets… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 21:23 utc | 83 Armchair Warlord tweets… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 21:23 utc | 84 Regardless whether you believe Mediazona has 100 % accurate numbers or not, the methodology they use stays the same. That means the relations of numbers is correct and they are correct. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 2 2023 21:32 utc | 85 Regardless whether you believe Mediazona has 100 % accurate numbers or not, the methodology they use stays the same. That means the relations of numbers is correct and they are correct. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 2 2023 21:32 utc | 86 Media Zone is a typical pro-Western publication. Included in the list of foreign agents (FARA analogue) Posted by: Koba | Sep 2 2023 21:41 utc | 87 Media Zone is a typical pro-Western publication. Included in the list of foreign agents (FARA analogue) Posted by: Koba | Sep 2 2023 21:41 utc | 88 @ LightYearsFromHome | Sep 2 2023 20:25 utc | 33
The Israelis are heavily involved with the Kurds too, e.g., they are interweaved with them in northern Iraq. Posted by: majoab | Sep 2 2023 21:48 utc | 89 @ LightYearsFromHome | Sep 2 2023 20:25 utc | 33
The Israelis are heavily involved with the Kurds too, e.g., they are interweaved with them in northern Iraq. Posted by: majoab | Sep 2 2023 21:48 utc | 90 @43 unimperator Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 2 2023 21:52 utc | 91 @43 unimperator Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 2 2023 21:52 utc | 92 Because everyone says there will be a pause and nothing will happen until spring, I think means there will be a WINTER OFFENSIVE. Last year there was going to be a big winter offensive, but wasn’t because it wasn’t cold enough. RUSSians WIN WARS IN WINTER. It will be the WINTER OF OUR DISCONTENT. Energy prices up, inflation up further, the collapse of free credit card credit, the real estate market, and I think Bitcoin is a Dem/ Musk pyramid scheme to break the dollar. God bless this unholy mess with reason. Posted by: JimG | Sep 2 2023 22:00 utc | 93 Because everyone says there will be a pause and nothing will happen until spring, I think means there will be a WINTER OFFENSIVE. Last year there was going to be a big winter offensive, but wasn’t because it wasn’t cold enough. RUSSians WIN WARS IN WINTER. It will be the WINTER OF OUR DISCONTENT. Energy prices up, inflation up further, the collapse of free credit card credit, the real estate market, and I think Bitcoin is a Dem/ Musk pyramid scheme to break the dollar. God bless this unholy mess with reason. Posted by: JimG | Sep 2 2023 22:00 utc | 94 re: Burisma Posted by: AG | Sep 2 2023 22:35 utc | 95 re: Burisma Posted by: AG | Sep 2 2023 22:35 utc | 96 Kurds are turds, land pirates from way back. They did the dirty work for the Turks with the Armenians in return for land and other pillage. Turds in Syria mostly are a result of that. Posted by: Ново З | Sep 2 2023 22:54 utc | 97 Kurds are turds, land pirates from way back. They did the dirty work for the Turks with the Armenians in return for land and other pillage. Turds in Syria mostly are a result of that. Posted by: Ново З | Sep 2 2023 22:54 utc | 98 A letter to me from a Ukrainian who escaped the Donbass as things were tough there. Then, as Russia encircled Kyiv, fled in the cold in a harrowing journey to reach Poland. She is now a Ukrainian ex-pat, and does not intend to return. 26 years old. Posted by: Dante | Sep 2 2023 23:01 utc | 99 A letter to me from a Ukrainian who escaped the Donbass as things were tough there. Then, as Russia encircled Kyiv, fled in the cold in a harrowing journey to reach Poland. She is now a Ukrainian ex-pat, and does not intend to return. 26 years old. Posted by: Dante | Sep 2 2023 23:01 utc | 100 |
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