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September 30, 2023
‘The Source Of Russian Brutality’ As Proven By Fiction

The currently "Most Popular" piece at the National Interest website has a somewhat intriguing title:

The Source of Russian Brutality
Russia’s military operates on a Soviet, totalizing view of war that ignores distinctions between soldiers and civilians.

That is of course news to me as well as to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Right which is counting civilian casualties.

From 24 February 2022, which marked the start of the large-scale armed attack by the Russian Federation, to 24 September 2023, OHCHR recorded 27,449 civilian casualties in the country: 9,701 killed and 17,748 injured.

Meanwhile the military casualties in the war exceed several 100,000nds. Compared to any other modern war the ratio of civilian casualties to military casualties is thus extremely low. How is that demonstrating 'Russian brutality'?

So lets see what the author, one Ivan Arreguin-Toft, is alluding to:

One need not be an expert on international law to understand how Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in March of 2022 has violated the laws’ core principles. The Kremlin’s pretexts, the alleged violation of Russia’s “sphere of influence,” cited by, for example, international relations scholar John Mearsheimer, remain inadequate to justify the invasion of an internationally recognized sovereign state.

Russia's reason for the war is the threatened entering of its neighbor country Ukraine into an aggressive NATO.  The Secretary General of NATO recently said so. That may(!) be "inadequate" to justify a war. But what about a war over fake WMD claims in a country on the other side of the planet? Has any U.S. reason for waging wars ever been "adequate"?

On top of that, in its prosecution of an illegitimate war, Russia continues to practice war crimes—systematically and deliberately attacking noncombatants, including medical personnel and facilities. We may continue to debate whether allowing Russia to reclaim the USSR’s sphere of influence is acceptable as a tradeoff to prevent a global conflict. Still, there can be no question that Russia’s continual rape, torture, and murder of noncombatants is illegal and damages Russia’s reputation on the world stage. 

The question, then, is, what explains Russia’s behavior?

Those are strong claims. Strong claims require strong evidence. But the link under "continual rape, torture, and murder" does not go to any evidence. The link instead goes to an overview of the Geneva Convention. In fact – the whole piece does not contain ANY evidence of 'Russian brutality'. ZERO! NONE!

So without presenting any factual evidence, statistic or even anecdote the author simply claims that Russia's behavior is somehow different from others.

He is then off to find something that would explain his farcical claim.

During the entire rule of Russia’s Tsars—from the very founding of the Russian state until 1917, Russia’s military was no more or no less brutal toward noncombatants than the militaries of any other state or empire. But the Russian Revolution and the horrific civil war that followed changed everything.

The first part might be true. All militaries were (and are) generally brutal against noncombatants. They often had to 'live off the land' they marched through and that includes robbing and killing everyone who had not left.

But the second part of the above claim, that the revolution and civil war changed that, is strange. Lets look for evidence:

In place of an aristocratic code of honor, Russia’s surviving officer corps were loyal to the person of Josef Stalin (although in 1938, he had three-quarters of them above the rank of lieutenant executed for treason) and, more broadly, to the international communist movement, which they believed was destined to liberate the world from its capitalist and imperialist chains.

Did any "aristocratic code of honor" ever stopped an aristocrat from killing a peasant? I doubt that.

Stalin's Great Purge was actually against Trotsky and others which wanted to spread communism around the world while Stalin preferred a socialism in one country policy of putting the Soviet Union first. Officers who preferred Trotsky's ideas were indeed purged but the numbers Ivan Arreguin-Toft puts into parenthesis are just totally nuts.

Here is what the purge of the army actually did:

The purge of the Red Army and Military Maritime Fleet removed three of five marshals (then equivalent to four-star generals), 13 of 15 army commanders (then equivalent to three-star generals), eight of nine admirals (the purge fell heavily on the Navy, who were suspected of exploiting their opportunities for foreign contacts), 50 of 57 army corps commanders, 154 out of 186 division commanders, 16 of 16 army commissars, and 25 of 28 army corps commissars.

That sounds like high numbers but more importantly we are taking General ranks here and not all 'people above the rank of lieutenant'. Moreover most of the purged were not executed. The total numbers were also much smaller than had been perceived:

At first, it was thought 25–50% of Red Army officers had been purged; the true figure is now known to be in the area of 3.7–7.7%. This discrepancy was the result of a systematic underestimation of the true size of the Red Army officer corps, and it was overlooked that most of those purged were merely expelled from the Party. Thirty percent of officers purged in 1937–1939 were allowed to return to service.

How can one get from those historic facts to "three-quarters of them above the rank of lieutenant executed for treason"?

One can't. And that is why one should stop reading that trash piece right there. The rest gets only worse.

During the cold war Ivan Arreguin-Toft had learned Russian while in the U.S. army. His duty included signal intelligence in Germany. We can be sure that he was also given the usual indoctrination lectures about the 'deviant Russian mind'. Since then he has dabbled in cyber-security which he is currently teaching somewhere. I find no evidence that he, at any time. has learned about history or sociology. The piece he delivered shows no such knowledge.

How all that qualifies him to make evidence free claims that Russia is extraordinary brutal is beyond me. Especially when his underlying theory is not based on historic facts but pure fiction.

What is most astonishing though is that there seems to be a market for such dreck.

Comments

They somehow find a way to blame the Soviets for this. Russophobia doesn’t exists. If Russia had accepted the Robert Conquest narrative and brought down Soviet monuments, they would have been accepted to NATO and left alone a long time ago.

Posted by: Mariátegui | Oct 1 2023 12:47 utc | 201

They somehow find a way to blame the Soviets for this. Russophobia doesn’t exists. If Russia had accepted the Robert Conquest narrative and brought down Soviet monuments, they would have been accepted to NATO and left alone a long time ago.

Posted by: Mariátegui | Oct 1 2023 12:47 utc | 202

What you say is just bourgeois democracy. Bourgeois democracy is a dictatorship over the proletariat (and petty bourgeoisie), just as proletarian democracy would still be a dictatorship over the bourgeoisie.
Posted by: Colin | Oct 1 2023 12:42 utc | 99
Nope, it is not a democracy. It is bourgeois dictatorship. Period. Obviously Lenin did not understand the meaning of the word “democracy”.

Posted by: Patience | Oct 1 2023 13:28 utc | 203

What you say is just bourgeois democracy. Bourgeois democracy is a dictatorship over the proletariat (and petty bourgeoisie), just as proletarian democracy would still be a dictatorship over the bourgeoisie.
Posted by: Colin | Oct 1 2023 12:42 utc | 99
Nope, it is not a democracy. It is bourgeois dictatorship. Period. Obviously Lenin did not understand the meaning of the word “democracy”.

Posted by: Patience | Oct 1 2023 13:28 utc | 204

Thanks b. As always, on top of things.
Brutality, hmmm. This reminds of an empire’s commander testifying in congress. The congresscritters were piling on him for having killed the Iraqis by burying them alive with a bulldozer. His response: my job is to kill, what difference does it make how I do it? There you have it. The mentality of an empire encapsulated.
For those mentioning Viet Nam, remember, Cambodia paid a higher price in that fight for just being a neighbor with over 3 million dead. And for those mentioning Russian brutality, it’s just that the numbers are not high enough for them, to be “statistics.”
One person killed is murder, one million killed is statistics.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 1 2023 13:53 utc | 205

Thanks b. As always, on top of things.
Brutality, hmmm. This reminds of an empire’s commander testifying in congress. The congresscritters were piling on him for having killed the Iraqis by burying them alive with a bulldozer. His response: my job is to kill, what difference does it make how I do it? There you have it. The mentality of an empire encapsulated.
For those mentioning Viet Nam, remember, Cambodia paid a higher price in that fight for just being a neighbor with over 3 million dead. And for those mentioning Russian brutality, it’s just that the numbers are not high enough for them, to be “statistics.”
One person killed is murder, one million killed is statistics.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 1 2023 13:53 utc | 206

Why did FDR allow all those involved in the 1933-4 Businessmen’s Coup Plot to escape prosecution?
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 30 2023 22:44 utc | 72
Your question is answered in great detail on Miles W Mathis’s much maligned “conspiracy” website.
http://mileswmathis.com/butler.pdf
http://mileswmathis.com/butler2.pdf
Be sure to use http not https to avoid the “unsafe site” message

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Oct 1 2023 14:36 utc | 207

Why did FDR allow all those involved in the 1933-4 Businessmen’s Coup Plot to escape prosecution?
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 30 2023 22:44 utc | 72
Your question is answered in great detail on Miles W Mathis’s much maligned “conspiracy” website.
http://mileswmathis.com/butler.pdf
http://mileswmathis.com/butler2.pdf
Be sure to use http not https to avoid the “unsafe site” message

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Oct 1 2023 14:36 utc | 208

Lord Posonby’s Ten Commandments of War Propaganda:
1. We don’t want war, we are only defending ourselves.
2. Our adversary is solely responsible for this war.
3. Our adversary’s leader is inherently evil and resembles the devil.
4. We are defending a noble cause, not our particular interests.
5. The enemy is purposefully committing atrocities; if we are making mistakes this happens without intention.
6. The enemy makes use of illegal weapons.
7. We suffer few losses, the enemy’s losses are considerable.
8. Recognized intellectuals and artists support our cause.
9. Our cause is sacred.
10. Whoever casts doubt on our propaganda helps the enemy and is a traitor.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 1 2023 19:43 utc | 209

Lord Posonby’s Ten Commandments of War Propaganda:
1. We don’t want war, we are only defending ourselves.
2. Our adversary is solely responsible for this war.
3. Our adversary’s leader is inherently evil and resembles the devil.
4. We are defending a noble cause, not our particular interests.
5. The enemy is purposefully committing atrocities; if we are making mistakes this happens without intention.
6. The enemy makes use of illegal weapons.
7. We suffer few losses, the enemy’s losses are considerable.
8. Recognized intellectuals and artists support our cause.
9. Our cause is sacred.
10. Whoever casts doubt on our propaganda helps the enemy and is a traitor.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 1 2023 19:43 utc | 210

fanto 86 See Furr’s book ‘The Mystery of the Katyn Massacre’. I emailed Furr to draw his attention to an online attack on his work on Katyn by someone named ‘Romanov’. He was aware of it, dealt at length with the criticism in his reply to me and may publish his response. The documentary evidence produced by Gorbachev is suspect and considered by many to have been falsified. Espresso Stalinist also deals with Katyn in some detail.

Posted by: Shakesvshav | Oct 1 2023 20:11 utc | 211

fanto 86 See Furr’s book ‘The Mystery of the Katyn Massacre’. I emailed Furr to draw his attention to an online attack on his work on Katyn by someone named ‘Romanov’. He was aware of it, dealt at length with the criticism in his reply to me and may publish his response. The documentary evidence produced by Gorbachev is suspect and considered by many to have been falsified. Espresso Stalinist also deals with Katyn in some detail.

Posted by: Shakesvshav | Oct 1 2023 20:11 utc | 212

SwissArmyMan | Oct 1 2023 14:36 utc | 104–
Thanks for your reply and the links. It’s too bad the author strays from his topic and provides little in the way of factual evidence. At least that’s my first impressions halfway through the first link. The reason for the criticism relates to the main issue at hand which is the policy of saving Nazism; and since it’s an extraordinary sensational claim it requires extraordinary hard evidence to prove and thus overturn a great deal of accepted history that recent events clearly call into question.
IMO, we must all bear in mind what is said within this article about the Empire of Lies and its war in the realm of information–past, present and future. “People are not blind in seeing US’ empire of lies: Chinese FM refuting State Department’s China report”.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 1 2023 20:42 utc | 213

SwissArmyMan | Oct 1 2023 14:36 utc | 104–
Thanks for your reply and the links. It’s too bad the author strays from his topic and provides little in the way of factual evidence. At least that’s my first impressions halfway through the first link. The reason for the criticism relates to the main issue at hand which is the policy of saving Nazism; and since it’s an extraordinary sensational claim it requires extraordinary hard evidence to prove and thus overturn a great deal of accepted history that recent events clearly call into question.
IMO, we must all bear in mind what is said within this article about the Empire of Lies and its war in the realm of information–past, present and future. “People are not blind in seeing US’ empire of lies: Chinese FM refuting State Department’s China report”.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 1 2023 20:42 utc | 214

Posted by: fanto | Oct 1 2023 3:07 utc
I read Fuhr a long time ago, but I remember his 3 main points were
1- the actual order signed by Stalin doesn’t mention any “murder” of nobody. It just requested for “transportation”
2- nazis made all the discoveries, therefore suspicious
3- some of the Katyn burials had German bullets in the corpses which dated after the Soviet withdrawal and the ordered manner in which were placed didn’t match with Soviet mass executions. This was found by modern ukranistani researchers which predictably didn’t go any further on the findings
4- if there were any killings they were probably carried out by lower Soviet commanders who were getting revenge by polish mass executions of Russian red army POWs killed in the 20s

Posted by: Mariátegui | Oct 1 2023 21:07 utc | 215

Posted by: fanto | Oct 1 2023 3:07 utc
I read Fuhr a long time ago, but I remember his 3 main points were
1- the actual order signed by Stalin doesn’t mention any “murder” of nobody. It just requested for “transportation”
2- nazis made all the discoveries, therefore suspicious
3- some of the Katyn burials had German bullets in the corpses which dated after the Soviet withdrawal and the ordered manner in which were placed didn’t match with Soviet mass executions. This was found by modern ukranistani researchers which predictably didn’t go any further on the findings
4- if there were any killings they were probably carried out by lower Soviet commanders who were getting revenge by polish mass executions of Russian red army POWs killed in the 20s

Posted by: Mariátegui | Oct 1 2023 21:07 utc | 216

A key reason for the Sino-Soviet split was the USSR’s de-Stalinization policy. Mao had his disagreements with Stalin but even he was taken aback by how quickly and thoroughly the Soviets dishonored the memory of Stalin soon after the great leader’s death. Stalin was by no means perfect but when a leader who led Eastern Europe to victory in the Great Patriotic War and saved them from the genocidal Nazis was suddenly and officially treated as a pariah, the legitimacy of the CPSU’s rule was undermined, thus sowing seeds of the CPSU’s eventual destruction. Even within the CPC, the harshest criticism delivered by Deng against Mao was 7-3, 70% good and 30% bad. Deng only said what was necessary to keep the Gang of Four remnant Trotskyist faction placated and prevent them from further wrecking China (incidentally, Mao explicitly stated that the Chinese revolution did not follow the path set out by Trotsky). Deng did not set out to tear down Mao’s image.
Vacuous terms such as “totalitarianism” and “authoritarianism” harm rather than help the discourse. The terms are selectively applied to states that have broken free or threaten to break free from the political and economic stranglehold of the collective West. Many who use the term never considered that Western “liberal” democracies can just as easily be described as totalitarian considering that the interests of the masses are never represented by the government. Instead, the interests of capital always take precedence no matter which candidate gets elected. Anyone who articulate a solution that directly challenges capital (not just merely whine about capitalism ineffectually) is declared the state enemy by the “free” press that are suspiciously adept at singing the same chorus. To further maintain the illusion of freedom, leftist movements that are doomed to failure such Trotskyism and anarchism are cultivated and allowed to bloom in the West since it does not challenge the capitalist/bourgeois democracy power structure. The liberatory varieties of leftism are harshly stamped out, and in death they are thoroughly demonized so that people instinctively reject them, preventing their revival.
Western leftists remain in a perpetual state of puzzlement as to why things are getting worse despite them voting in the right candidates, chanting the right slogans, and doing the right actions as circumscribed by their state intelligence agency-approved leftist organizations. I find this slightly amusing.
Also, to be perfectly clear, fascism isn’t one of the ideologies suppressed or demonized in the West. Fascism is encouraged. When internal contradictions in capitalist societies such as wealth disparity grow too big to paper over with measures such as welfare capitalism, i.e., doling out meager benefits that is only a tiny fraction of the super-profits extracted from cheap labor and resources originating from the Global South, fascism inevitably emerges. Why? With fascism, violence is not only sanctioned but celebrated. The West needs full-scale military conquest to quash the slave revolt now that the Global South have awoken and are pushing back against this exploitation. Coups, assassinations and bribery no longer have the effect they once did now that Russia and China offer alternatives to the West’s exploitative system. Fascism does away with the velvet glove approach and unabashedly goes straight for the jugular.
The whole Canada Nazi standing ovation debacle is just the state apparatus testing the waters to fine-tune their strategy for reintroducing fascism. Already the dog avatars are out in full force on social media saying that people need to be nuanced and account for the fact that SS soldiers are regular Joes who love God, their family and their country trying to fight for freedom and democracy against the evil “totalitarian” Soviet Union. This paves the way for people to accept fascism as an acceptable response to socialism and communism, whether it be socialist uprisings in the Global South or in the West itself. And this also brings our discussion full circle back to why “totalitarianism” and “authoritarianism” are meaningless terms.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 1 2023 23:28 utc | 217

A key reason for the Sino-Soviet split was the USSR’s de-Stalinization policy. Mao had his disagreements with Stalin but even he was taken aback by how quickly and thoroughly the Soviets dishonored the memory of Stalin soon after the great leader’s death. Stalin was by no means perfect but when a leader who led Eastern Europe to victory in the Great Patriotic War and saved them from the genocidal Nazis was suddenly and officially treated as a pariah, the legitimacy of the CPSU’s rule was undermined, thus sowing seeds of the CPSU’s eventual destruction. Even within the CPC, the harshest criticism delivered by Deng against Mao was 7-3, 70% good and 30% bad. Deng only said what was necessary to keep the Gang of Four remnant Trotskyist faction placated and prevent them from further wrecking China (incidentally, Mao explicitly stated that the Chinese revolution did not follow the path set out by Trotsky). Deng did not set out to tear down Mao’s image.
Vacuous terms such as “totalitarianism” and “authoritarianism” harm rather than help the discourse. The terms are selectively applied to states that have broken free or threaten to break free from the political and economic stranglehold of the collective West. Many who use the term never considered that Western “liberal” democracies can just as easily be described as totalitarian considering that the interests of the masses are never represented by the government. Instead, the interests of capital always take precedence no matter which candidate gets elected. Anyone who articulate a solution that directly challenges capital (not just merely whine about capitalism ineffectually) is declared the state enemy by the “free” press that are suspiciously adept at singing the same chorus. To further maintain the illusion of freedom, leftist movements that are doomed to failure such Trotskyism and anarchism are cultivated and allowed to bloom in the West since it does not challenge the capitalist/bourgeois democracy power structure. The liberatory varieties of leftism are harshly stamped out, and in death they are thoroughly demonized so that people instinctively reject them, preventing their revival.
Western leftists remain in a perpetual state of puzzlement as to why things are getting worse despite them voting in the right candidates, chanting the right slogans, and doing the right actions as circumscribed by their state intelligence agency-approved leftist organizations. I find this slightly amusing.
Also, to be perfectly clear, fascism isn’t one of the ideologies suppressed or demonized in the West. Fascism is encouraged. When internal contradictions in capitalist societies such as wealth disparity grow too big to paper over with measures such as welfare capitalism, i.e., doling out meager benefits that is only a tiny fraction of the super-profits extracted from cheap labor and resources originating from the Global South, fascism inevitably emerges. Why? With fascism, violence is not only sanctioned but celebrated. The West needs full-scale military conquest to quash the slave revolt now that the Global South have awoken and are pushing back against this exploitation. Coups, assassinations and bribery no longer have the effect they once did now that Russia and China offer alternatives to the West’s exploitative system. Fascism does away with the velvet glove approach and unabashedly goes straight for the jugular.
The whole Canada Nazi standing ovation debacle is just the state apparatus testing the waters to fine-tune their strategy for reintroducing fascism. Already the dog avatars are out in full force on social media saying that people need to be nuanced and account for the fact that SS soldiers are regular Joes who love God, their family and their country trying to fight for freedom and democracy against the evil “totalitarian” Soviet Union. This paves the way for people to accept fascism as an acceptable response to socialism and communism, whether it be socialist uprisings in the Global South or in the West itself. And this also brings our discussion full circle back to why “totalitarianism” and “authoritarianism” are meaningless terms.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 1 2023 23:28 utc | 218

Wow, are people here really saying that the Katyn Massacre never happened??
What’s next! Denying the Armenian Genocide? Denying the Holocaust? B, I hope you police these tankies and cretins!

Posted by: ABOBA | Oct 2 2023 0:44 utc | 219

Wow, are people here really saying that the Katyn Massacre never happened??
What’s next! Denying the Armenian Genocide? Denying the Holocaust? B, I hope you police these tankies and cretins!

Posted by: ABOBA | Oct 2 2023 0:44 utc | 220

Posted by: ABOBA | Oct 2 2023 0:44 utc | 110
I’m glad you made me realize that eating one chilli pepper can quickly lead to cancer in the throat.
And I’m also glad you’re telling people that people who are rabidly opposed to so-called “tankies” are ableists and have no self-knowledge.
But tankies is a term of honour because, of course, it’s right to use tanks to suppress fascists.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 2 2023 1:04 utc | 221

Posted by: ABOBA | Oct 2 2023 0:44 utc | 110
I’m glad you made me realize that eating one chilli pepper can quickly lead to cancer in the throat.
And I’m also glad you’re telling people that people who are rabidly opposed to so-called “tankies” are ableists and have no self-knowledge.
But tankies is a term of honour because, of course, it’s right to use tanks to suppress fascists.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 2 2023 1:04 utc | 222

@ Shakesvshav #106
@ Mariátegui #108
Thank you both for your replies. I do not know anything about documentation supplied by Gorbachev – I was referring to Sudoplatov’s ‘Special Tasks’ – there is refers to the letter by Beria to Stalin of March 5, 1940 – in which he recommends trials for counterrevolutionary activities, spying etc. and the “supreme penalty: shooting” (page 478).
The speculations about finding german bullets – that is too speculative, Russians might have used german pistols with fitting ammunition to direct the blame on Germans. The argument of German bullets was also raised in connection with massacre of Jews in Jedwabne IIRC, so I will not take this argument for a fact. Germans have enough guilt to respond for, no need to “pile on”.
Likewise the argumentation that the Katyn massacre was in retribution on Poles for their crimes in 1920 – that goes too far in my opinion, would require a whole lot of people (Russians) among “lower commanders” – and the executioners and the “judges” to produce such a massive ‘industrial’ size killing. Beria speaks of ‘shooting’ the Poles, not ‘transporting’ – that is not a serious argumentation (I purposely do not use a vulgarity to describe that).

Posted by: fanto | Oct 2 2023 2:02 utc | 223

@ Shakesvshav #106
@ Mariátegui #108
Thank you both for your replies. I do not know anything about documentation supplied by Gorbachev – I was referring to Sudoplatov’s ‘Special Tasks’ – there is refers to the letter by Beria to Stalin of March 5, 1940 – in which he recommends trials for counterrevolutionary activities, spying etc. and the “supreme penalty: shooting” (page 478).
The speculations about finding german bullets – that is too speculative, Russians might have used german pistols with fitting ammunition to direct the blame on Germans. The argument of German bullets was also raised in connection with massacre of Jews in Jedwabne IIRC, so I will not take this argument for a fact. Germans have enough guilt to respond for, no need to “pile on”.
Likewise the argumentation that the Katyn massacre was in retribution on Poles for their crimes in 1920 – that goes too far in my opinion, would require a whole lot of people (Russians) among “lower commanders” – and the executioners and the “judges” to produce such a massive ‘industrial’ size killing. Beria speaks of ‘shooting’ the Poles, not ‘transporting’ – that is not a serious argumentation (I purposely do not use a vulgarity to describe that).

Posted by: fanto | Oct 2 2023 2:02 utc | 224

From the Dugin piece in the excellent Postil: https://www.thepostil.com/new-multipolar-order-heptarchy-and-its-meanings/
The conclusion. The entire essay is well worth reading.

Heptapolarity
Today, after the XV BRICS summit, such a heptapolarity of seven civilizations is broadly outlined:
Liberal West;1.
Maoist-Confucian China;2.
Orthodox Eurasian Russia;3.
Vedantic India;4.
Islamic world (Sunni-Shia)
Latin America;6.
Africa.7.
Its contours are quite clearly outlined. But of course, this model has not yet become a new system of international law. It is a long way off.
However, attention should be paid to how deep a complete and radical break with the West must become in order to justify the right of civilizations and their traditional values to exist. All poles will need to reject the basic postulates of the West that have been consistently and compulsively inculcated in themselves and in all of humanity since the beginning of the New Age:
• individualism,
• materialism,
• economism,
• technology as destiny,
• scientism,
• secularism,
• the dominance of money,
• the culture of hedonism and decay,
• progressivism, etc.
This must be taken out of one’s culture by anyone who claims an independent pole, a distinctive civilization. None of the big cultures, except Western culture, is based on these principles. All traditional values are completely opposed to it.
The gradual liberation from the West’s colonial ideology will, of necessity, predetermine the basic parameters of the new system of international relations and the new model of international law. For now, the proponents of a multipolar order are called upon to reactively counteract the entrenchment of rules dictated by the global West, clinging in agony to the unipolar moment. But soon this will not be enough, and the countries of the expanded BRICS — the ivilizations that have surfaced — will have to raise the question of the meaning of sacredness, of Tradition and its values, of eternity and the transcendent dimension of existence.

He shorthands several issues leaping from one point to another without full explanation but this is a very good piece. In the beginning he points out how the modern world was born about 500 years ago (which as I was harping on about had, not coincidentally, to do with China’s Maritime Ban in the mid 1400’s). According to Dugin, the modern era is built on a foundation of an essentially atheist, materialist ‘natural science’ worldview which denies the sacred along with its sense of eternity in its place positing a present divorced from from the past and always targeting an ever-better future, thus worshipping ‘progress’. It also projects/believes in a unitary (objective) reality which all must share as the basis of the unipolar thrust, a dimension beyond Plunder alone. Unbelievers are scorned, marginalized or colonized. This is a deep point he only mentions in passing. He then goes into several phases of the international order up to the recent unipolar moment.
His view is somewhat religious and his emphasis on the sacred as the basis of traditional (and superior) civilization-states, which he distinguishes from Westphalian nation states based on sovereignty et alia, is similarly not something that many will accept these days because both East and West, socialist and capitalist, are equally under the materialist spell, something he often mentions.
So there is work to be done. But his voice discusses multipolarity from a more deeply informed intellectual perspective than most.

Posted by: scorpion | Oct 2 2023 2:41 utc | 225

From the Dugin piece in the excellent Postil: https://www.thepostil.com/new-multipolar-order-heptarchy-and-its-meanings/
The conclusion. The entire essay is well worth reading.

Heptapolarity
Today, after the XV BRICS summit, such a heptapolarity of seven civilizations is broadly outlined:
Liberal West;1.
Maoist-Confucian China;2.
Orthodox Eurasian Russia;3.
Vedantic India;4.
Islamic world (Sunni-Shia)
Latin America;6.
Africa.7.
Its contours are quite clearly outlined. But of course, this model has not yet become a new system of international law. It is a long way off.
However, attention should be paid to how deep a complete and radical break with the West must become in order to justify the right of civilizations and their traditional values to exist. All poles will need to reject the basic postulates of the West that have been consistently and compulsively inculcated in themselves and in all of humanity since the beginning of the New Age:
• individualism,
• materialism,
• economism,
• technology as destiny,
• scientism,
• secularism,
• the dominance of money,
• the culture of hedonism and decay,
• progressivism, etc.
This must be taken out of one’s culture by anyone who claims an independent pole, a distinctive civilization. None of the big cultures, except Western culture, is based on these principles. All traditional values are completely opposed to it.
The gradual liberation from the West’s colonial ideology will, of necessity, predetermine the basic parameters of the new system of international relations and the new model of international law. For now, the proponents of a multipolar order are called upon to reactively counteract the entrenchment of rules dictated by the global West, clinging in agony to the unipolar moment. But soon this will not be enough, and the countries of the expanded BRICS — the ivilizations that have surfaced — will have to raise the question of the meaning of sacredness, of Tradition and its values, of eternity and the transcendent dimension of existence.

He shorthands several issues leaping from one point to another without full explanation but this is a very good piece. In the beginning he points out how the modern world was born about 500 years ago (which as I was harping on about had, not coincidentally, to do with China’s Maritime Ban in the mid 1400’s). According to Dugin, the modern era is built on a foundation of an essentially atheist, materialist ‘natural science’ worldview which denies the sacred along with its sense of eternity in its place positing a present divorced from from the past and always targeting an ever-better future, thus worshipping ‘progress’. It also projects/believes in a unitary (objective) reality which all must share as the basis of the unipolar thrust, a dimension beyond Plunder alone. Unbelievers are scorned, marginalized or colonized. This is a deep point he only mentions in passing. He then goes into several phases of the international order up to the recent unipolar moment.
His view is somewhat religious and his emphasis on the sacred as the basis of traditional (and superior) civilization-states, which he distinguishes from Westphalian nation states based on sovereignty et alia, is similarly not something that many will accept these days because both East and West, socialist and capitalist, are equally under the materialist spell, something he often mentions.
So there is work to be done. But his voice discusses multipolarity from a more deeply informed intellectual perspective than most.

Posted by: scorpion | Oct 2 2023 2:41 utc | 226

Why did the Western Ukrainians fight against the Soviets into the Fifties? Because they hadn´t forgotten that in 1939 about 10% of the population had been deported into Siberia where half died nor that many thousand of political prisoners were killed when the Red Army had to quickly retreat in the face of the German onslaught.
Posted by: Tom67 | Oct 1 2023 12:20 utc | 96

Seriously, to all concerned in this “discussion” – I do not give a flying f*** about that shit from 85 years and 4 generations ago – it has absolutely nothing to do with Russia or Ukraine today, nothing to do with Putin or the Russian Govt or Russian soldiers today, and nothing to do with me, and nothing to do with that nazi scumbag standing ovation in Canada, or the fucking lowlife neo-nazi murderous scumbags of Right Sector, Azov battalions et al killing their own fellow citizens including burning them alive in buildings and shooting them dead in Maidan square, today’s Nazi mongrels like Boryslav Bereza, Andriy Biletsky and Oleh Tyahnybok’s neo-Nazi Svoboda Party FFS!
Please get lost and get a life, and stop living in the past and deal with the sickening present instead. Enough of the sophist excuse making for BRAIN DEAD Ukrainian Fascists, Racists, Nazis, White Supremacists and Murderers Today! Some of you people are a massive pain talking about your endless irrelevant meaningless historical anal retentive arguments over minutia here. Please go somewhere else. Yeah?
These are photos of SS Galicia Division veteran who was given standing ovation by Canadian parliament, prime-minister of Canada and president of Ukraine … just the other day – NOT in 1939!
https://nitter.net/I_Katchanovski/status/1707397406181003275#m
And a late breaking NEWS FLASH – Mao and Stalin are DEAD! Get over it already.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 2 2023 2:59 utc | 227

Why did the Western Ukrainians fight against the Soviets into the Fifties? Because they hadn´t forgotten that in 1939 about 10% of the population had been deported into Siberia where half died nor that many thousand of political prisoners were killed when the Red Army had to quickly retreat in the face of the German onslaught.
Posted by: Tom67 | Oct 1 2023 12:20 utc | 96

Seriously, to all concerned in this “discussion” – I do not give a flying f*** about that shit from 85 years and 4 generations ago – it has absolutely nothing to do with Russia or Ukraine today, nothing to do with Putin or the Russian Govt or Russian soldiers today, and nothing to do with me, and nothing to do with that nazi scumbag standing ovation in Canada, or the fucking lowlife neo-nazi murderous scumbags of Right Sector, Azov battalions et al killing their own fellow citizens including burning them alive in buildings and shooting them dead in Maidan square, today’s Nazi mongrels like Boryslav Bereza, Andriy Biletsky and Oleh Tyahnybok’s neo-Nazi Svoboda Party FFS!
Please get lost and get a life, and stop living in the past and deal with the sickening present instead. Enough of the sophist excuse making for BRAIN DEAD Ukrainian Fascists, Racists, Nazis, White Supremacists and Murderers Today! Some of you people are a massive pain talking about your endless irrelevant meaningless historical anal retentive arguments over minutia here. Please go somewhere else. Yeah?
These are photos of SS Galicia Division veteran who was given standing ovation by Canadian parliament, prime-minister of Canada and president of Ukraine … just the other day – NOT in 1939!
https://nitter.net/I_Katchanovski/status/1707397406181003275#m
And a late breaking NEWS FLASH – Mao and Stalin are DEAD! Get over it already.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 2 2023 2:59 utc | 228

My hunch is at least a few others will agree with me. But whatever, it’s like howling at the wind, or trying to shut Scorpion up for 5 minutes on his Never-ending anti-China Crusade – impossible! 🙂

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 2 2023 3:13 utc | 229

My hunch is at least a few others will agree with me. But whatever, it’s like howling at the wind, or trying to shut Scorpion up for 5 minutes on his Never-ending anti-China Crusade – impossible! 🙂

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 2 2023 3:13 utc | 230

@ scorpion | Oct 2 2023 2:41 utc | 113 with his ongoing vomitorium of TINA BS
That Dugin piece makes it sound much more complex than it is (one of your favorite ploys)
If society replaces private finance with totally sovereign public based finance as a utility for the masses, all the profit incentives on society take a major hit and the culture changes dramatically.
Humanity is in a civilization war about public/private finance and people like you say all public finance can’t happen and are we sure we are sure we are sure we are sure we are sure that private finance based culture is evil?
Scorpion is the “legendary” MoA vomitorium of agnotology and they seemingly hate the thought of humanity evolving.
“legendary” = applied to Scorpion by another commenter and as a long time barfly I will note that they seem to have outlasted vk tenure….my base characterization of Scorpion is disingenuous.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 2 2023 3:54 utc | 231

@ scorpion | Oct 2 2023 2:41 utc | 113 with his ongoing vomitorium of TINA BS
That Dugin piece makes it sound much more complex than it is (one of your favorite ploys)
If society replaces private finance with totally sovereign public based finance as a utility for the masses, all the profit incentives on society take a major hit and the culture changes dramatically.
Humanity is in a civilization war about public/private finance and people like you say all public finance can’t happen and are we sure we are sure we are sure we are sure we are sure that private finance based culture is evil?
Scorpion is the “legendary” MoA vomitorium of agnotology and they seemingly hate the thought of humanity evolving.
“legendary” = applied to Scorpion by another commenter and as a long time barfly I will note that they seem to have outlasted vk tenure….my base characterization of Scorpion is disingenuous.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 2 2023 3:54 utc | 232

Rokossovsky was freed in 1940 i.e. a year before the Nazi invasion.
After the fall of Yezhov cases were reviwed and many prisoners were freed. Rokossovsky was just one of many.

Posted by: rob | Oct 2 2023 6:52 utc | 233

Rokossovsky was freed in 1940 i.e. a year before the Nazi invasion.
After the fall of Yezhov cases were reviwed and many prisoners were freed. Rokossovsky was just one of many.

Posted by: rob | Oct 2 2023 6:52 utc | 234

All Under Heaven | Oct 1 2023 23:28 utc | 109 ….
Worrying in Britain, given near inevitability of Starmer plus resurrection of Liz Truss.
As surveillance of the general public considerably increases….

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 3 2023 0:22 utc | 235

All Under Heaven | Oct 1 2023 23:28 utc | 109 ….
Worrying in Britain, given near inevitability of Starmer plus resurrection of Liz Truss.
As surveillance of the general public considerably increases….

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 3 2023 0:22 utc | 236

>Posted by: Colin | Oct 2 2023 1:04 utc | 111
Your post makes no sense. Anyone who supports communism is a sick dog. This goes double for Westerners who support it. They have never suffered under it and just spew propaganda like useful idiots. I wish they can experience communistic hell for themselves, but for some reason they are not in a rush to move out of their comfortable Capitalist countries.

Posted by: ABOBA | Oct 4 2023 3:17 utc | 237

>Posted by: Colin | Oct 2 2023 1:04 utc | 111
Your post makes no sense. Anyone who supports communism is a sick dog. This goes double for Westerners who support it. They have never suffered under it and just spew propaganda like useful idiots. I wish they can experience communistic hell for themselves, but for some reason they are not in a rush to move out of their comfortable Capitalist countries.

Posted by: ABOBA | Oct 4 2023 3:17 utc | 238