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September 30, 2023
‘The Source Of Russian Brutality’ As Proven By Fiction

The currently "Most Popular" piece at the National Interest website has a somewhat intriguing title:

The Source of Russian Brutality
Russia’s military operates on a Soviet, totalizing view of war that ignores distinctions between soldiers and civilians.

That is of course news to me as well as to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Right which is counting civilian casualties.

From 24 February 2022, which marked the start of the large-scale armed attack by the Russian Federation, to 24 September 2023, OHCHR recorded 27,449 civilian casualties in the country: 9,701 killed and 17,748 injured.

Meanwhile the military casualties in the war exceed several 100,000nds. Compared to any other modern war the ratio of civilian casualties to military casualties is thus extremely low. How is that demonstrating 'Russian brutality'?

So lets see what the author, one Ivan Arreguin-Toft, is alluding to:

One need not be an expert on international law to understand how Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in March of 2022 has violated the laws’ core principles. The Kremlin’s pretexts, the alleged violation of Russia’s “sphere of influence,” cited by, for example, international relations scholar John Mearsheimer, remain inadequate to justify the invasion of an internationally recognized sovereign state.

Russia's reason for the war is the threatened entering of its neighbor country Ukraine into an aggressive NATO.  The Secretary General of NATO recently said so. That may(!) be "inadequate" to justify a war. But what about a war over fake WMD claims in a country on the other side of the planet? Has any U.S. reason for waging wars ever been "adequate"?

On top of that, in its prosecution of an illegitimate war, Russia continues to practice war crimes—systematically and deliberately attacking noncombatants, including medical personnel and facilities. We may continue to debate whether allowing Russia to reclaim the USSR’s sphere of influence is acceptable as a tradeoff to prevent a global conflict. Still, there can be no question that Russia’s continual rape, torture, and murder of noncombatants is illegal and damages Russia’s reputation on the world stage. 

The question, then, is, what explains Russia’s behavior?

Those are strong claims. Strong claims require strong evidence. But the link under "continual rape, torture, and murder" does not go to any evidence. The link instead goes to an overview of the Geneva Convention. In fact – the whole piece does not contain ANY evidence of 'Russian brutality'. ZERO! NONE!

So without presenting any factual evidence, statistic or even anecdote the author simply claims that Russia's behavior is somehow different from others.

He is then off to find something that would explain his farcical claim.

During the entire rule of Russia’s Tsars—from the very founding of the Russian state until 1917, Russia’s military was no more or no less brutal toward noncombatants than the militaries of any other state or empire. But the Russian Revolution and the horrific civil war that followed changed everything.

The first part might be true. All militaries were (and are) generally brutal against noncombatants. They often had to 'live off the land' they marched through and that includes robbing and killing everyone who had not left.

But the second part of the above claim, that the revolution and civil war changed that, is strange. Lets look for evidence:

In place of an aristocratic code of honor, Russia’s surviving officer corps were loyal to the person of Josef Stalin (although in 1938, he had three-quarters of them above the rank of lieutenant executed for treason) and, more broadly, to the international communist movement, which they believed was destined to liberate the world from its capitalist and imperialist chains.

Did any "aristocratic code of honor" ever stopped an aristocrat from killing a peasant? I doubt that.

Stalin's Great Purge was actually against Trotsky and others which wanted to spread communism around the world while Stalin preferred a socialism in one country policy of putting the Soviet Union first. Officers who preferred Trotsky's ideas were indeed purged but the numbers Ivan Arreguin-Toft puts into parenthesis are just totally nuts.

Here is what the purge of the army actually did:

The purge of the Red Army and Military Maritime Fleet removed three of five marshals (then equivalent to four-star generals), 13 of 15 army commanders (then equivalent to three-star generals), eight of nine admirals (the purge fell heavily on the Navy, who were suspected of exploiting their opportunities for foreign contacts), 50 of 57 army corps commanders, 154 out of 186 division commanders, 16 of 16 army commissars, and 25 of 28 army corps commissars.

That sounds like high numbers but more importantly we are taking General ranks here and not all 'people above the rank of lieutenant'. Moreover most of the purged were not executed. The total numbers were also much smaller than had been perceived:

At first, it was thought 25–50% of Red Army officers had been purged; the true figure is now known to be in the area of 3.7–7.7%. This discrepancy was the result of a systematic underestimation of the true size of the Red Army officer corps, and it was overlooked that most of those purged were merely expelled from the Party. Thirty percent of officers purged in 1937–1939 were allowed to return to service.

How can one get from those historic facts to "three-quarters of them above the rank of lieutenant executed for treason"?

One can't. And that is why one should stop reading that trash piece right there. The rest gets only worse.

During the cold war Ivan Arreguin-Toft had learned Russian while in the U.S. army. His duty included signal intelligence in Germany. We can be sure that he was also given the usual indoctrination lectures about the 'deviant Russian mind'. Since then he has dabbled in cyber-security which he is currently teaching somewhere. I find no evidence that he, at any time. has learned about history or sociology. The piece he delivered shows no such knowledge.

How all that qualifies him to make evidence free claims that Russia is extraordinary brutal is beyond me. Especially when his underlying theory is not based on historic facts but pure fiction.

What is most astonishing though is that there seems to be a market for such dreck.

Comments

Belgian Babies Bayoneted
Sudanese Aspirin Factory
Kuwait Baby Incubators
Bosnian Rape Camps
Libyian Rape Pills
And many more ……it’s a pattern

Posted by: Exile | Sep 30 2023 14:27 utc | 1

Belgian Babies Bayoneted
Sudanese Aspirin Factory
Kuwait Baby Incubators
Bosnian Rape Camps
Libyian Rape Pills
And many more ……it’s a pattern

Posted by: Exile | Sep 30 2023 14:27 utc | 2

This is what passes for analysis in the West. Just hurl out a bunch of plausible-sounding but unsubstantiated accusations about Official Enemies. This is almost always accompanied by historical amnesia about equivalent actions by the West.
If you ever confront one of these people about their double-think in real life, they either accuse you of being a propagandist/apologist for the other side, change the subject, pull funny faces, or stare at their shoes and trail off.

Posted by: SpatialFix | Sep 30 2023 14:31 utc | 3

This is what passes for analysis in the West. Just hurl out a bunch of plausible-sounding but unsubstantiated accusations about Official Enemies. This is almost always accompanied by historical amnesia about equivalent actions by the West.
If you ever confront one of these people about their double-think in real life, they either accuse you of being a propagandist/apologist for the other side, change the subject, pull funny faces, or stare at their shoes and trail off.

Posted by: SpatialFix | Sep 30 2023 14:31 utc | 4

The alleged brutalities of the enemy have always served to cover up his own crimes.
Think of accusing Putin of kidnapping people, especially children, when Ukraine is notorious for selling its own children!
Moreover, it appears to be much safer to surrender to the Russians than to fight them Ze’s way !

Posted by: Chb | Sep 30 2023 14:35 utc | 5

The alleged brutalities of the enemy have always served to cover up his own crimes.
Think of accusing Putin of kidnapping people, especially children, when Ukraine is notorious for selling its own children!
Moreover, it appears to be much safer to surrender to the Russians than to fight them Ze’s way !

Posted by: Chb | Sep 30 2023 14:35 utc | 6

Ahhhh….
‘international law’, whatever that is (biggest mechanized divisions with most drones, artillery and rockets?), justifies u$$a funding a war to restore kiev’s jurisdiction (for galatian nazis) to ethnically cleanse Russian sections of whatever the ‘international law’ wants to….
justify government sanctioned and funded mass murder!
who put these neocon vipers in charge of justifying government run legal murder?

Posted by: paddy | Sep 30 2023 14:37 utc | 7

Ahhhh….
‘international law’, whatever that is (biggest mechanized divisions with most drones, artillery and rockets?), justifies u$$a funding a war to restore kiev’s jurisdiction (for galatian nazis) to ethnically cleanse Russian sections of whatever the ‘international law’ wants to….
justify government sanctioned and funded mass murder!
who put these neocon vipers in charge of justifying government run legal murder?

Posted by: paddy | Sep 30 2023 14:37 utc | 8

The National Interest is a leading outlet for our neocon elite. In that role, it tells us what they believe.
Their beliefs are wrong, but we still need to realize the delusions of those governing us.
Our policy is guided by these delusions. They don’t just lie to us, they lie to themselves, and then act on those lies.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Sep 30 2023 14:37 utc | 9

The National Interest is a leading outlet for our neocon elite. In that role, it tells us what they believe.
Their beliefs are wrong, but we still need to realize the delusions of those governing us.
Our policy is guided by these delusions. They don’t just lie to us, they lie to themselves, and then act on those lies.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Sep 30 2023 14:37 utc | 10

That makes wonder you what is really true about WW2 in general. They demonized the Soviet Union during the cold war and they certainly demonized everything German immediately after the war and during the show trials of Nuremberg. It speaks volumes about the thoroughness of the propaganda if everyone knows about gas chambers and zyklon B while the vast majority is virtually oblivious to the claim that, according to the official history, most victims died of carbon monoxide poisoning by the deeds of the Einsatzgruppen, not even in the camps. And, to show the stupidity and idiocy of the evil Nazis, they used the most inefficient producer of carbon monoxide available: diesel engines. But I am sure that all the evil details of the history written by the victors is 100% true, and there is no propaganda involved in the storytelling of the greatest crime in human history, none. /sarc

Posted by: Dandy Chiggins III | Sep 30 2023 14:47 utc | 11

That makes wonder you what is really true about WW2 in general. They demonized the Soviet Union during the cold war and they certainly demonized everything German immediately after the war and during the show trials of Nuremberg. It speaks volumes about the thoroughness of the propaganda if everyone knows about gas chambers and zyklon B while the vast majority is virtually oblivious to the claim that, according to the official history, most victims died of carbon monoxide poisoning by the deeds of the Einsatzgruppen, not even in the camps. And, to show the stupidity and idiocy of the evil Nazis, they used the most inefficient producer of carbon monoxide available: diesel engines. But I am sure that all the evil details of the history written by the victors is 100% true, and there is no propaganda involved in the storytelling of the greatest crime in human history, none. /sarc

Posted by: Dandy Chiggins III | Sep 30 2023 14:47 utc | 12

…international law…
Posted by: paddy | Sep 30 2023 14:37 utc | 4
Regarding international law: Watch Russian FM Destroy US Hypocrisy on International Law
Lavrov at his best 😀

Posted by: Zet | Sep 30 2023 14:48 utc | 13

…international law…
Posted by: paddy | Sep 30 2023 14:37 utc | 4
Regarding international law: Watch Russian FM Destroy US Hypocrisy on International Law
Lavrov at his best 😀

Posted by: Zet | Sep 30 2023 14:48 utc | 14

According to a quick Googling of the matter, a more or less average ratio of civilian to combatants killed during a modern war is: 2 civilians to 1 soldier killed.
According to the U.N. numbers cited above, the civilian-soldier death ratio in the Ukraine War, assuming a half million soldiers dead as I’ve heard over and over, would be 1 civilian for every 50 soldiers killed.
So that’s about 100 times less civilian deaths than average.
My apology to the National Interest website for using actual numbers.

Posted by: Dolgen | Sep 30 2023 14:52 utc | 15

According to a quick Googling of the matter, a more or less average ratio of civilian to combatants killed during a modern war is: 2 civilians to 1 soldier killed.
According to the U.N. numbers cited above, the civilian-soldier death ratio in the Ukraine War, assuming a half million soldiers dead as I’ve heard over and over, would be 1 civilian for every 50 soldiers killed.
So that’s about 100 times less civilian deaths than average.
My apology to the National Interest website for using actual numbers.

Posted by: Dolgen | Sep 30 2023 14:52 utc | 16

big thx “b”
this MoA entry might be one of the most important in this war,
These fake “brutality” claims to shatter would be core to fighting the foundation of the information warfare going on against RU.
“Objective” and thus undeniable numbers and allegations align with the “non-rational” emotional racism and prejudice. Their combination is an extremely powerful propagandistic tool.
Usually to “hate” Russians was not legit in the public sphere. But with RU crimes which were out of the question this changed.
To prove much of these crimes as fabrication would weaken one major force behind the masses who want to see RU destroyed –
– in contrast to those masses who dont wan´t that but who are muted via lawfare – §130 in Germany i.e. – and TV&press “coverage”. Almost the entire press corps is complicit in this.
Their incompetence has to be made known and proven. Too little is happening on this front by too few people.
Eventually everything available especially in languages I personally have no command of should be collected and analyzed. I can only hope a few witty scholars are doing just that.

Posted by: AG | Sep 30 2023 14:52 utc | 17

big thx “b”
this MoA entry might be one of the most important in this war,
These fake “brutality” claims to shatter would be core to fighting the foundation of the information warfare going on against RU.
“Objective” and thus undeniable numbers and allegations align with the “non-rational” emotional racism and prejudice. Their combination is an extremely powerful propagandistic tool.
Usually to “hate” Russians was not legit in the public sphere. But with RU crimes which were out of the question this changed.
To prove much of these crimes as fabrication would weaken one major force behind the masses who want to see RU destroyed –
– in contrast to those masses who dont wan´t that but who are muted via lawfare – §130 in Germany i.e. – and TV&press “coverage”. Almost the entire press corps is complicit in this.
Their incompetence has to be made known and proven. Too little is happening on this front by too few people.
Eventually everything available especially in languages I personally have no command of should be collected and analyzed. I can only hope a few witty scholars are doing just that.

Posted by: AG | Sep 30 2023 14:52 utc | 18

The different standards is what kills any attempt at a reasoned conversation with normies in the West.
Yes, the USA killed almost all of its indigenous population in a few decades, but it’s “part of the growing pains of a country” and “well, they were also being aggressive”. However, Soviets are monsters who eat babies because of the two famines in the early 20th century, which wouldn’t have happened at all if we weren’t sanctioning them to death in the first place.
Yes, the USA “performed more than 200 military interventions” since the end of the 2nd World War, “illegally invading” countless countries in the process, but they had good intentions, motives and ultimately it was for the greater good. But hey, Soviets and Russians intervened at the behest of the Afghan communist government while the US was busy propping up sharia law there, and they did recently invade a neighbor country which was threatening to attack them with nuclear weapons. So yeah, monsters.
Now everyone is howling at the moon because Russians supposedly massacred a bunch of pro-russian civilians in Bucha, who were still freshly bleeding when “discovered”, days after the Russians left.
How can you argue against that?

Posted by: Lemming | Sep 30 2023 14:57 utc | 19

The different standards is what kills any attempt at a reasoned conversation with normies in the West.
Yes, the USA killed almost all of its indigenous population in a few decades, but it’s “part of the growing pains of a country” and “well, they were also being aggressive”. However, Soviets are monsters who eat babies because of the two famines in the early 20th century, which wouldn’t have happened at all if we weren’t sanctioning them to death in the first place.
Yes, the USA “performed more than 200 military interventions” since the end of the 2nd World War, “illegally invading” countless countries in the process, but they had good intentions, motives and ultimately it was for the greater good. But hey, Soviets and Russians intervened at the behest of the Afghan communist government while the US was busy propping up sharia law there, and they did recently invade a neighbor country which was threatening to attack them with nuclear weapons. So yeah, monsters.
Now everyone is howling at the moon because Russians supposedly massacred a bunch of pro-russian civilians in Bucha, who were still freshly bleeding when “discovered”, days after the Russians left.
How can you argue against that?

Posted by: Lemming | Sep 30 2023 14:57 utc | 20

Israel in 2006, with a force less than 1/10th the size of Russia’s, killed roughly 1,200 Lebanese civilians and wounded over 4,000 in a month. Multiply that number by a factor 10 times for size and again by 18 months, and you would get a sense what an army that genuinely does not differentiate between miliary and civilian would do. They would have killed at least a couple hundred thousand civilians by now.

Posted by: Bob | Sep 30 2023 15:00 utc | 21

Israel in 2006, with a force less than 1/10th the size of Russia’s, killed roughly 1,200 Lebanese civilians and wounded over 4,000 in a month. Multiply that number by a factor 10 times for size and again by 18 months, and you would get a sense what an army that genuinely does not differentiate between miliary and civilian would do. They would have killed at least a couple hundred thousand civilians by now.

Posted by: Bob | Sep 30 2023 15:00 utc | 22

It was one of the features of the Civil war in China that the Communists made considerable effort to recruit prisoners into the ranks of the PLA while they assumed that peasants and workers in conquered territory would come to support them when they understood their programme, which included land reform and writing off debts.
The doctrine of their opponents-the KMT- was to terrorise the population into doing what they were told, this included executing large numbers of prisoners, killing communists on sight ( the same policy as that the Nazis used) and treating civilians as inferiors.
The same was true in the Russian Civil war- the Reds regarded peasants and workers as natural allies who would rally to their cause, while bourgeois and landowners were treated roughly.
In fact the National Interest article is the purest projection- US doctrine is to terrorise civilians into deserting their government. That was what Shock and Awe was about. That is why there were a million civilian casualties in 2003 in Iraq. Not to mention the 500,000 children dead through sanctions in the years before the war.
To put it simply, again, the NATO doctrine is that civilians are aliens on the wrong side, while the communist doctrine is that they are workers ready to ‘throw off their chains.’
So the article is not just wrong but the reverse of the truth: Russia is making every effort to rebuild the ties with Ukrainians. NATO goes out of its way to induce the peoples to hate each other. Hence the widely publicised (by the perpetrators) mistreatment of Russian POWs and the promises of good treatment by the Russians.
In fact if the Revolution did make a difference in the way that Russian soldiers treated civilians it was the complete opposite of that alleged by Arreguin-Toft.
The casual way in which the National Interest repeats the most incredible lies about the 1938 purges is an indication of the intellectual corruption of a society in which most people actually believe such stuff :”75% of officers executed for treason” turns out to be the US way of saying that about 5% were punished, some by execution, most by losing Party membership, or by serving a few months in jail. The great majority returned to the colours within the next couple of years.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 30 2023 15:28 utc | 23

It was one of the features of the Civil war in China that the Communists made considerable effort to recruit prisoners into the ranks of the PLA while they assumed that peasants and workers in conquered territory would come to support them when they understood their programme, which included land reform and writing off debts.
The doctrine of their opponents-the KMT- was to terrorise the population into doing what they were told, this included executing large numbers of prisoners, killing communists on sight ( the same policy as that the Nazis used) and treating civilians as inferiors.
The same was true in the Russian Civil war- the Reds regarded peasants and workers as natural allies who would rally to their cause, while bourgeois and landowners were treated roughly.
In fact the National Interest article is the purest projection- US doctrine is to terrorise civilians into deserting their government. That was what Shock and Awe was about. That is why there were a million civilian casualties in 2003 in Iraq. Not to mention the 500,000 children dead through sanctions in the years before the war.
To put it simply, again, the NATO doctrine is that civilians are aliens on the wrong side, while the communist doctrine is that they are workers ready to ‘throw off their chains.’
So the article is not just wrong but the reverse of the truth: Russia is making every effort to rebuild the ties with Ukrainians. NATO goes out of its way to induce the peoples to hate each other. Hence the widely publicised (by the perpetrators) mistreatment of Russian POWs and the promises of good treatment by the Russians.
In fact if the Revolution did make a difference in the way that Russian soldiers treated civilians it was the complete opposite of that alleged by Arreguin-Toft.
The casual way in which the National Interest repeats the most incredible lies about the 1938 purges is an indication of the intellectual corruption of a society in which most people actually believe such stuff :”75% of officers executed for treason” turns out to be the US way of saying that about 5% were punished, some by execution, most by losing Party membership, or by serving a few months in jail. The great majority returned to the colours within the next couple of years.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 30 2023 15:28 utc | 24

Indeed, one obvious example of how many purged officers weren’t executed is marshall Rokossovsky (well he wasn’t a marshall when purged, he became one during the great patriotic war). He was tortured, had his teeth knocked out and was sent to the gulag, but when the Nazis came, he was taken back into the Stavka, and actually agreed to defend USSR and then free Poland (being Russo-Polish himself).

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 30 2023 15:32 utc | 25

Indeed, one obvious example of how many purged officers weren’t executed is marshall Rokossovsky (well he wasn’t a marshall when purged, he became one during the great patriotic war). He was tortured, had his teeth knocked out and was sent to the gulag, but when the Nazis came, he was taken back into the Stavka, and actually agreed to defend USSR and then free Poland (being Russo-Polish himself).

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 30 2023 15:32 utc | 26

Overcome with modesty, the National Interest failed to mention that the United States holds the dubious honour of achieving first place in the pursuit of brutality and war crimes, and by a very large margin.
https://russia-insider.com/en/history/us-atrocities-korean-war-chem-and-bio-weapons-mass-civilian-bombing-and-execution/ri23685
No other explanation for the feelings of the North Koreans towards the United States is needed.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 30 2023 15:34 utc | 27

Overcome with modesty, the National Interest failed to mention that the United States holds the dubious honour of achieving first place in the pursuit of brutality and war crimes, and by a very large margin.
https://russia-insider.com/en/history/us-atrocities-korean-war-chem-and-bio-weapons-mass-civilian-bombing-and-execution/ri23685
No other explanation for the feelings of the North Koreans towards the United States is needed.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 30 2023 15:34 utc | 28

Excerpt from what CitizenSmith linked above :
…., 3.) Mass executions of civilians:
According to witnesses, the commander of the U.S. Forces in the region of Sinchon by the name of Harrison ordered the mass killing of 35,383 civilians (19,149 men and 16,234 women) during the period between October 17th and December 7th, 1950.
The civilians were pushed into a deep open grave, doused with fuel oil and set on fire. Those who tried to escape were shot. …..

Posted by: Exile | Sep 30 2023 15:40 utc | 29

Excerpt from what CitizenSmith linked above :
…., 3.) Mass executions of civilians:
According to witnesses, the commander of the U.S. Forces in the region of Sinchon by the name of Harrison ordered the mass killing of 35,383 civilians (19,149 men and 16,234 women) during the period between October 17th and December 7th, 1950.
The civilians were pushed into a deep open grave, doused with fuel oil and set on fire. Those who tried to escape were shot. …..

Posted by: Exile | Sep 30 2023 15:40 utc | 30

Man, THANK YOU SO FREAKING MUCH for that concise and clear note on the “Stalin purge”. Western media of any kind NEVER speak about it in any way even remotely approaching truth. They’re too busy constructing an axiomatic religious hatred of Russia as the devil to let contradictory things get in the way.
That’s just it – just like the racist russophobe who penned that article, they want only to see it as some mad blood orgy of senseless slaughter of anyone who wasn’t pure evil. Ironic, then, that aside from how colossaly inflated the claims about that party power struggle are, the true nature of the competitors for power flies in the face of Western dogma – Stalin’s side wanted essentially isolationism and to abandon any crusading revolutions for the sake of building their own nation at home, whereas Trotsky’s ideals demanded precisely the latter and implied the sacrifice of the nation like a revolutionary suicide bomber. Meanwhile Western dogma more or less reverses their positions in its portrayal. Though, given how many Trotskyists made their way to the West and ended up influencing its politics, up to and including revenge on Russia and the roots of wokeism (woke delusions are fundamentally Trotsky-style in how they view the world and call to crusade).
Sadly, the issue is that we’re in faith-based claim territory now. It’s axiomatic for most Western figures, and even civilians, that Russians are somehow exceedingly brutal and merciless, that it’s a distinguishing Russian feature somehow. It’s at the core of Western self-image as noble and righteous, opposing the inhuman and evil Russians – they can’t allow the thought that Russians are not in fact inhuman or evil, and especially not that Russians are far less destructive or indiscriminate than the West has ever been.

Posted by: Red Outsider | Sep 30 2023 15:42 utc | 31

Man, THANK YOU SO FREAKING MUCH for that concise and clear note on the “Stalin purge”. Western media of any kind NEVER speak about it in any way even remotely approaching truth. They’re too busy constructing an axiomatic religious hatred of Russia as the devil to let contradictory things get in the way.
That’s just it – just like the racist russophobe who penned that article, they want only to see it as some mad blood orgy of senseless slaughter of anyone who wasn’t pure evil. Ironic, then, that aside from how colossaly inflated the claims about that party power struggle are, the true nature of the competitors for power flies in the face of Western dogma – Stalin’s side wanted essentially isolationism and to abandon any crusading revolutions for the sake of building their own nation at home, whereas Trotsky’s ideals demanded precisely the latter and implied the sacrifice of the nation like a revolutionary suicide bomber. Meanwhile Western dogma more or less reverses their positions in its portrayal. Though, given how many Trotskyists made their way to the West and ended up influencing its politics, up to and including revenge on Russia and the roots of wokeism (woke delusions are fundamentally Trotsky-style in how they view the world and call to crusade).
Sadly, the issue is that we’re in faith-based claim territory now. It’s axiomatic for most Western figures, and even civilians, that Russians are somehow exceedingly brutal and merciless, that it’s a distinguishing Russian feature somehow. It’s at the core of Western self-image as noble and righteous, opposing the inhuman and evil Russians – they can’t allow the thought that Russians are not in fact inhuman or evil, and especially not that Russians are far less destructive or indiscriminate than the West has ever been.

Posted by: Red Outsider | Sep 30 2023 15:42 utc | 32

I have known the tale of the brutal, wild, child-eating, mp3-downloading, animal raping russian for centuries.
It’s part of propaganda to dehumanize the opponent.

Posted by: Ruediger | Sep 30 2023 15:45 utc | 33

I have known the tale of the brutal, wild, child-eating, mp3-downloading, animal raping russian for centuries.
It’s part of propaganda to dehumanize the opponent.

Posted by: Ruediger | Sep 30 2023 15:45 utc | 34

National Interest does produce some good articles on occasion but
that is a rare event.
When Russia helped the Union and Abe Lincoln.
1. Russian warships in NY and SF
https://www.rbth.com/politics_and_society/2017/08/16/what-role-did-russia-play-in-the-us-civil-war_823252
2. Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War

Posted by: Angelo | Sep 30 2023 15:51 utc | 35

National Interest does produce some good articles on occasion but
that is a rare event.
When Russia helped the Union and Abe Lincoln.
1. Russian warships in NY and SF
https://www.rbth.com/politics_and_society/2017/08/16/what-role-did-russia-play-in-the-us-civil-war_823252
2. Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War

Posted by: Angelo | Sep 30 2023 15:51 utc | 36

Not absolutely new. I’ve seen several times the play of a generic scheme when someone “demonstrate” russian sick mind :
First. A “Truth” is made up about Russia, which as no basis in objective reality.
Second. A genius expert decides to explain the causes of this “Truth”.
Third. The genius finds there is no rational cause for the “Truth”. [of course, he cannot find a real one, since the “Truth” is actually pure non-sense].
Fourth. Therefore, there can be no other explanation than the sickness of the russian mind.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 30 2023 15:57 utc | 37

Not absolutely new. I’ve seen several times the play of a generic scheme when someone “demonstrate” russian sick mind :
First. A “Truth” is made up about Russia, which as no basis in objective reality.
Second. A genius expert decides to explain the causes of this “Truth”.
Third. The genius finds there is no rational cause for the “Truth”. [of course, he cannot find a real one, since the “Truth” is actually pure non-sense].
Fourth. Therefore, there can be no other explanation than the sickness of the russian mind.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 30 2023 15:57 utc | 38

“Russia’s military operates on a Soviet,–totalizing–view of war that ignores distinctions between soldiers and civilians.”
This word totalizing has been in the mouth of a lot of trolls at the bar lately. From the 60s forward, in reaction to the general opinion in the west, that the soviets, despite Stalin, we’re still better than the Nazis, a psuedo left emerged using the concept of “totalitarianism” to argue the Nazis and Soviets we’re actually one and the same evil phenomena.
This was of course rejected by anyone with even a passing grasp of history or politics, but in the US where there’d never been a mass explicitly class based party and amidst the cold war with the same soviets, this false equivalency was accepted broadly and promoted by the psuedo left. Michael Harrington is one prominent example.
The logic is that only US capitalism is truly free and the ideologies of the 19th and 20th century Europe were all the same: dark, evil and “totalizing”.
This stupid conception gained a lot of adherents in the 60s and 70s, in fact it was only from people who were young then that I heard it repeated, until recently.
From that conception, many a fake leftist could argue that a new real socialism must be built by rejecting the entire theoretical heritage from Marx forward and replacing it with very generic, supra-class, ostensibly virtuous single issue goals such as fighting racism, sexism, homophobia, saving the environment etc all of which can be safely “fought” within capitalism. Never mind that capitalism itself actually exacerbates and in many cases deliberately creates these problems.
…which naturally leads us to the intellectual authors of this war: the Capitalist Dem party virtuously pretending to battle the abstractions of racism, sexism, homophobia while backing Nazis (their the same as the Russians so who cares) and pushing the world to the brink of a “totalizing” war of nukes. Yes, the Russians abandoned communism a generation ago, but they’ve been touched by the evil and remain in it’s thrall.
US RC, at least the real drivers of this war in government, are mad. Nonetheless, even madmen have to explain what they are doing to themselves.
US imperialist nuts are convinced that communism and fascism are essentially the same and that triangulating them in Ukraine to destroy one another is the most virtuous of dirty tricks, clearing the way for virtue signalling US imperialism to reorder the world under it’s infantile conceptions..with the virtuous US billionaires making massive profits too, of course.
Clearly, the reality is very different, but I’m convinced this is how the tops of the US political elite explain things to themselves and one another on the theoretical level.
Timothy Snyder’s Bloodlands in 2015 (I think) was a first step in giving this false equivalency an intellectual imprimatur with the goal of casting the Nazi collaborators in Eastern Europe as not so bad, really.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 30 2023 16:16 utc | 39

“Russia’s military operates on a Soviet,–totalizing–view of war that ignores distinctions between soldiers and civilians.”
This word totalizing has been in the mouth of a lot of trolls at the bar lately. From the 60s forward, in reaction to the general opinion in the west, that the soviets, despite Stalin, we’re still better than the Nazis, a psuedo left emerged using the concept of “totalitarianism” to argue the Nazis and Soviets we’re actually one and the same evil phenomena.
This was of course rejected by anyone with even a passing grasp of history or politics, but in the US where there’d never been a mass explicitly class based party and amidst the cold war with the same soviets, this false equivalency was accepted broadly and promoted by the psuedo left. Michael Harrington is one prominent example.
The logic is that only US capitalism is truly free and the ideologies of the 19th and 20th century Europe were all the same: dark, evil and “totalizing”.
This stupid conception gained a lot of adherents in the 60s and 70s, in fact it was only from people who were young then that I heard it repeated, until recently.
From that conception, many a fake leftist could argue that a new real socialism must be built by rejecting the entire theoretical heritage from Marx forward and replacing it with very generic, supra-class, ostensibly virtuous single issue goals such as fighting racism, sexism, homophobia, saving the environment etc all of which can be safely “fought” within capitalism. Never mind that capitalism itself actually exacerbates and in many cases deliberately creates these problems.
…which naturally leads us to the intellectual authors of this war: the Capitalist Dem party virtuously pretending to battle the abstractions of racism, sexism, homophobia while backing Nazis (their the same as the Russians so who cares) and pushing the world to the brink of a “totalizing” war of nukes. Yes, the Russians abandoned communism a generation ago, but they’ve been touched by the evil and remain in it’s thrall.
US RC, at least the real drivers of this war in government, are mad. Nonetheless, even madmen have to explain what they are doing to themselves.
US imperialist nuts are convinced that communism and fascism are essentially the same and that triangulating them in Ukraine to destroy one another is the most virtuous of dirty tricks, clearing the way for virtue signalling US imperialism to reorder the world under it’s infantile conceptions..with the virtuous US billionaires making massive profits too, of course.
Clearly, the reality is very different, but I’m convinced this is how the tops of the US political elite explain things to themselves and one another on the theoretical level.
Timothy Snyder’s Bloodlands in 2015 (I think) was a first step in giving this false equivalency an intellectual imprimatur with the goal of casting the Nazi collaborators in Eastern Europe as not so bad, really.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 30 2023 16:16 utc | 40

Russian brutality?
In WWII who systematically bombed the other side’s cities in mass aerial attacks in waves that were timed so that each succeeding wave would kill rescuers and firemen tackling the aftermath of the previous wave? Who nuked two cities, both of which were overwhelmingly civilian targets?
Not the USSR.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 30 2023 16:30 utc | 41

Russian brutality?
In WWII who systematically bombed the other side’s cities in mass aerial attacks in waves that were timed so that each succeeding wave would kill rescuers and firemen tackling the aftermath of the previous wave? Who nuked two cities, both of which were overwhelmingly civilian targets?
Not the USSR.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 30 2023 16:30 utc | 42

Even b, missed the point here. Russia started the SMO to stop the genocide against the Russian ethnic population that had been going on for eight years with the connivance of Germany, France and the whole NATO apparatus, in former Eastern Ukraine. That is simply R2P.
Demilitarizing and denazifing a bunch of lunatics openly declaring their intention to build a nuclear weapon justifies the Russian intervention.
John Mearsheimer and his ilks should stop being economical with the truth.

Posted by: Steve | Sep 30 2023 16:33 utc | 43

Even b, missed the point here. Russia started the SMO to stop the genocide against the Russian ethnic population that had been going on for eight years with the connivance of Germany, France and the whole NATO apparatus, in former Eastern Ukraine. That is simply R2P.
Demilitarizing and denazifing a bunch of lunatics openly declaring their intention to build a nuclear weapon justifies the Russian intervention.
John Mearsheimer and his ilks should stop being economical with the truth.

Posted by: Steve | Sep 30 2023 16:33 utc | 44

Belgian Babies Bayoneted
Sudanese Aspirin Factory
Kuwait Baby Incubators
Bosnian Rape Camps
Libyian Rape Pills
Rewritten from WWI’s UK’s Wellington House propaganda factory. Then it was
Huns bayonet belgian babies
Huns bomb aspirin factory
Kaiser operates rapecamps
Hun warlords feed rape pills to troops in France.
This thing does have a WWI feel to it.
“Wellington House” made known to me because a poster here referenced Thomas Fleming’s book and i irdered and read it.
Good site this is.

Posted by: Dogtired | Sep 30 2023 16:37 utc | 45

Belgian Babies Bayoneted
Sudanese Aspirin Factory
Kuwait Baby Incubators
Bosnian Rape Camps
Libyian Rape Pills
Rewritten from WWI’s UK’s Wellington House propaganda factory. Then it was
Huns bayonet belgian babies
Huns bomb aspirin factory
Kaiser operates rapecamps
Hun warlords feed rape pills to troops in France.
This thing does have a WWI feel to it.
“Wellington House” made known to me because a poster here referenced Thomas Fleming’s book and i irdered and read it.
Good site this is.

Posted by: Dogtired | Sep 30 2023 16:37 utc | 46

Belgian Babies Bayoneted
Sudanese Aspirin Factory
Kuwait Baby Incubators
Bosnian Rape Camps
Libyian Rape Pills
Rewritten from WWI’s UK’s Wellington House propaganda factory. Then it was
Huns bayonet belgian babies
Huns bomb aspirin factory
Kaiser operates rapecamps
Hun warlords feed rape pills to troops in France.
This thing does have a WWI feel to it.
“Wellington House” made known to me because a poster here referenced Thomas Fleming’s book and i irdered and read it.
Good site this is.

Posted by: Dogtired | Sep 30 2023 16:37 utc | 47

Belgian Babies Bayoneted
Sudanese Aspirin Factory
Kuwait Baby Incubators
Bosnian Rape Camps
Libyian Rape Pills
Rewritten from WWI’s UK’s Wellington House propaganda factory. Then it was
Huns bayonet belgian babies
Huns bomb aspirin factory
Kaiser operates rapecamps
Hun warlords feed rape pills to troops in France.
This thing does have a WWI feel to it.
“Wellington House” made known to me because a poster here referenced Thomas Fleming’s book and i irdered and read it.
Good site this is.

Posted by: Dogtired | Sep 30 2023 16:37 utc | 48

Trotsky’s ideals demanded precisely the latter and implied the sacrifice of the nation like a revolutionary suicide bomber.
Posted by: Red Outsider | Sep 30 2023 15:42 utc | 16
Trotskys internationalism (“ideals” is really abstract) was really that of Marx and Lenin, so maybe just say Marxist internationalism.
Describing spreading the revolution internationally as “suicide bomber” would indicate you see international revolution as a suicide mission, hence you are neither a revolutionary or a Marxist, red.
And in the end the epigones of Stalin did sacrifice the nation to US imperialism without any fight at all.
Had Trotsky defeated Stalin or simply not been killed by Stalin, the Russian Soviet would still exist. US imperialism perhaps would not.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 30 2023 16:38 utc | 49

Trotsky’s ideals demanded precisely the latter and implied the sacrifice of the nation like a revolutionary suicide bomber.
Posted by: Red Outsider | Sep 30 2023 15:42 utc | 16
Trotskys internationalism (“ideals” is really abstract) was really that of Marx and Lenin, so maybe just say Marxist internationalism.
Describing spreading the revolution internationally as “suicide bomber” would indicate you see international revolution as a suicide mission, hence you are neither a revolutionary or a Marxist, red.
And in the end the epigones of Stalin did sacrifice the nation to US imperialism without any fight at all.
Had Trotsky defeated Stalin or simply not been killed by Stalin, the Russian Soviet would still exist. US imperialism perhaps would not.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 30 2023 16:38 utc | 50

John Mearsheimer and his ilks should stop being economical with the truth.
Posted by: Steve | Sep 30 2023 16:33 utc | 22
Mershheimer is the Cassandra of US imperialism, doomed to be right and ignored.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 30 2023 16:39 utc | 51

John Mearsheimer and his ilks should stop being economical with the truth.
Posted by: Steve | Sep 30 2023 16:33 utc | 22
Mershheimer is the Cassandra of US imperialism, doomed to be right and ignored.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 30 2023 16:39 utc | 52

Israel in 2006, with a force less than 1/10th the size of Russia’s, killed roughly 1,200 Lebanese civilians and wounded over 4,000 in a month. Multiply that number by a factor 10 times for size and again by 18 months, and you would get a sense what an army that genuinely does not differentiate between miliary and civilian would do. They would have killed at least a couple hundred thousand civilians by now.
Posted by: Bob | Sep 30 2023 15:00 utc | 11
And they recently won visa free travel in and out of the US despite the overwhelming number of terrorist movements the country has spawned.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 30 2023 16:42 utc | 53

Israel in 2006, with a force less than 1/10th the size of Russia’s, killed roughly 1,200 Lebanese civilians and wounded over 4,000 in a month. Multiply that number by a factor 10 times for size and again by 18 months, and you would get a sense what an army that genuinely does not differentiate between miliary and civilian would do. They would have killed at least a couple hundred thousand civilians by now.
Posted by: Bob | Sep 30 2023 15:00 utc | 11
And they recently won visa free travel in and out of the US despite the overwhelming number of terrorist movements the country has spawned.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 30 2023 16:42 utc | 54

Hell, suspected Trotskyites is one thing, but even white officers were allowed to resume their service, provided they had acted honorably during the civil war. In fact, the opposite of what is claimed in the article is true: Russians are too kind and considerate, even when inappropriate and often to their own detriment. They could probably cut their own troop losses in half at any time, at the expense of Ukrainian civilians.

Posted by: Skiffer | Sep 30 2023 16:44 utc | 55

Hell, suspected Trotskyites is one thing, but even white officers were allowed to resume their service, provided they had acted honorably during the civil war. In fact, the opposite of what is claimed in the article is true: Russians are too kind and considerate, even when inappropriate and often to their own detriment. They could probably cut their own troop losses in half at any time, at the expense of Ukrainian civilians.

Posted by: Skiffer | Sep 30 2023 16:44 utc | 56

USA, USA, according to the US Ivy league university Bard; the US has killed kinetically ~1M plus another>3M through dhiorrea and starving children through sanctions just since 9/11.. Remember the US SS Madalyn Albright, 500,000 Iraqi children and it was “worth it on TV. Destroyed and killed so many in Korea there was nothing left to bomb. Millions in Vietnam and Cambodia Laos etc. The firebombing of defenseless German and Japanese civilians and even nuking the Japanese civilians. Good thing that the western memory hole is so big.

Posted by: Bob | Sep 30 2023 16:47 utc | 57

USA, USA, according to the US Ivy league university Bard; the US has killed kinetically ~1M plus another>3M through dhiorrea and starving children through sanctions just since 9/11.. Remember the US SS Madalyn Albright, 500,000 Iraqi children and it was “worth it on TV. Destroyed and killed so many in Korea there was nothing left to bomb. Millions in Vietnam and Cambodia Laos etc. The firebombing of defenseless German and Japanese civilians and even nuking the Japanese civilians. Good thing that the western memory hole is so big.

Posted by: Bob | Sep 30 2023 16:47 utc | 58

As most of us know here that in today’s intelligentsia the Party line must be kept vigorously growing. If you are someone who wants to make a living writing and are mediocre you just publish the Party line and all the officially recognized outlets and publishers will welcome you. You cannot find, for example, any stories any more that say anything postive about “enemy” countries like Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea (there is always something positive about anywhere) and so on. I’ve also noticed that anything the official media will not publish stuff (as it once did) on Pentagon corruption (which is extensive and systemic).
Fortunately, as is beginning to happen, the more intelligent (and less money-hungry) writers and commentators are beginning to wake up. This will eventually create a new dispensation in the same way the repressive 50s transitioned to the more open-minded 60s in the USA’s cultural life.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Sep 30 2023 17:03 utc | 59

As most of us know here that in today’s intelligentsia the Party line must be kept vigorously growing. If you are someone who wants to make a living writing and are mediocre you just publish the Party line and all the officially recognized outlets and publishers will welcome you. You cannot find, for example, any stories any more that say anything postive about “enemy” countries like Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea (there is always something positive about anywhere) and so on. I’ve also noticed that anything the official media will not publish stuff (as it once did) on Pentagon corruption (which is extensive and systemic).
Fortunately, as is beginning to happen, the more intelligent (and less money-hungry) writers and commentators are beginning to wake up. This will eventually create a new dispensation in the same way the repressive 50s transitioned to the more open-minded 60s in the USA’s cultural life.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Sep 30 2023 17:03 utc | 60

The choice of subject demonstrates Bernd’s integrity. Teachers should take a cue from him.
U.S. history goes hand in hand with murder and robbery.
North and South America were colonized by Europeans.
The actual landowners enslaved, displaced and murdered. Biological warfare was also used, blankets of smallpox infected people, etc. given to the natives.
“A good Indian is a dead Indian”.
The cradle of the United States is genocide.
Civilians have never had it easy in war.
Example 1
https://www.zwangsarbeit-archiv.de/zwangsarbeit/zwangsarbeit/index.html
“Over 12 million people performed forced labor in Germany during World War II.”
So besides the numerous dead and aggrieved, about 12 million were enslaved by the German side.
Example 2
https://www.journal21.ch/artikel/seit-1945-sechs-millionen-tote-us-kriegen
“Our lack of awareness has less to do with oversight than with habit,” writes John Tirman, who has also written a book on the subject (“The Deaths of Others: The Fate of Civilians of America’s Wars”). Americans, the author says, see themselves as generous and empathetic, and often they are, as in the case of natural disasters such as the Asian tsumani in 2004 or the Haitian earthquake two years ago: “But when it comes to our wars overseas, we care only about the fate of U.S. troops.”
Conclusion:
War has to do with killing.
Not everyone finds that easy.
In the U.S. Army, there is a tradition of dehumanizing opponents. This is supposed to make killing easier, but it also affects the civilian population (in addition to the daily war routine – e.g. setting up free fire zones in populated areas). Vietnamese were called ‘gooks’ etc, Iraqis ‘sand niggers’ etc.
Did they also have a name for the Germans? Or did they copy the ‘Untermenschenkonzept” there?
Ukraine follows the US and Nazi tradition with its ‘Orcs’.
The West is drowning in propaganda.

Posted by: 600w | Sep 30 2023 17:04 utc | 61

The choice of subject demonstrates Bernd’s integrity. Teachers should take a cue from him.
U.S. history goes hand in hand with murder and robbery.
North and South America were colonized by Europeans.
The actual landowners enslaved, displaced and murdered. Biological warfare was also used, blankets of smallpox infected people, etc. given to the natives.
“A good Indian is a dead Indian”.
The cradle of the United States is genocide.
Civilians have never had it easy in war.
Example 1
https://www.zwangsarbeit-archiv.de/zwangsarbeit/zwangsarbeit/index.html
“Over 12 million people performed forced labor in Germany during World War II.”
So besides the numerous dead and aggrieved, about 12 million were enslaved by the German side.
Example 2
https://www.journal21.ch/artikel/seit-1945-sechs-millionen-tote-us-kriegen
“Our lack of awareness has less to do with oversight than with habit,” writes John Tirman, who has also written a book on the subject (“The Deaths of Others: The Fate of Civilians of America’s Wars”). Americans, the author says, see themselves as generous and empathetic, and often they are, as in the case of natural disasters such as the Asian tsumani in 2004 or the Haitian earthquake two years ago: “But when it comes to our wars overseas, we care only about the fate of U.S. troops.”
Conclusion:
War has to do with killing.
Not everyone finds that easy.
In the U.S. Army, there is a tradition of dehumanizing opponents. This is supposed to make killing easier, but it also affects the civilian population (in addition to the daily war routine – e.g. setting up free fire zones in populated areas). Vietnamese were called ‘gooks’ etc, Iraqis ‘sand niggers’ etc.
Did they also have a name for the Germans? Or did they copy the ‘Untermenschenkonzept” there?
Ukraine follows the US and Nazi tradition with its ‘Orcs’.
The West is drowning in propaganda.

Posted by: 600w | Sep 30 2023 17:04 utc | 62

Western media has begun an attempt to separate the undeniable truth of Ukrainian nationalist atrocities during WWII from the current government in Ukraine. A story today highlights a documentary being shown in Austria about the wwii massacres of Jews, Poles, and Russians (referred to as Ukrainians of course) by the nationalists, but insists that this is all about the past and that there were, of course, other nazi collaborators across Europe – [so what happened was ‘normal’ for the times]. This must be due to wide coverage of the flap about the nazi cheered in the Canadian parliament. “Of course claims by Russia that Ukraine has a nazi problem are just propaganda.” They fail to mention all the far right nationalists infesting the current government, or the honoring of Stephan Bandera, or the Azov battalion, Right Sector and other far right militias, etc.
Awful Avalanche has a four part series posted on the Canadian nazi problem which is worth a read.

Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 30 2023 17:09 utc | 63

Western media has begun an attempt to separate the undeniable truth of Ukrainian nationalist atrocities during WWII from the current government in Ukraine. A story today highlights a documentary being shown in Austria about the wwii massacres of Jews, Poles, and Russians (referred to as Ukrainians of course) by the nationalists, but insists that this is all about the past and that there were, of course, other nazi collaborators across Europe – [so what happened was ‘normal’ for the times]. This must be due to wide coverage of the flap about the nazi cheered in the Canadian parliament. “Of course claims by Russia that Ukraine has a nazi problem are just propaganda.” They fail to mention all the far right nationalists infesting the current government, or the honoring of Stephan Bandera, or the Azov battalion, Right Sector and other far right militias, etc.
Awful Avalanche has a four part series posted on the Canadian nazi problem which is worth a read.

Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 30 2023 17:09 utc | 64

Just take a look at the history of Jules Cesar. His conquest of the Gaule is the matrix of all war of agression and empire expansion.
He lied a lot to pretend people in Gaule were brutal, bloodthirsty etc etc. Most of his claim were indeed completely false but allowed him to justify the slaughter.
Since then, nothing changed.

Posted by: W | Sep 30 2023 17:22 utc | 65

Just take a look at the history of Jules Cesar. His conquest of the Gaule is the matrix of all war of agression and empire expansion.
He lied a lot to pretend people in Gaule were brutal, bloodthirsty etc etc. Most of his claim were indeed completely false but allowed him to justify the slaughter.
Since then, nothing changed.

Posted by: W | Sep 30 2023 17:22 utc | 66

Since then, nothing changed.
Posted by: W | Sep 30 2023 17:22 utc | 33
Poor, poor history, W. Try harder.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 30 2023 17:26 utc | 67

Since then, nothing changed.
Posted by: W | Sep 30 2023 17:22 utc | 33
Poor, poor history, W. Try harder.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 30 2023 17:26 utc | 68

I’ll have you know Ivan Arreguin-Toft ‘risked his life in the Cold War’! His words, in the tranquil west German city of Augsburg hidden away with his wife to be translating or some bs job. Glad you exposed this trouble making coward.

Posted by: Jeff A | Sep 30 2023 17:26 utc | 69

I’ll have you know Ivan Arreguin-Toft ‘risked his life in the Cold War’! His words, in the tranquil west German city of Augsburg hidden away with his wife to be translating or some bs job. Glad you exposed this trouble making coward.

Posted by: Jeff A | Sep 30 2023 17:26 utc | 70

“…Timothy Snyder’s Bloodlands in 2015 (I think) was a first step in giving this false equivalency an intellectual imprimatur with the goal of casting the Nazi collaborators in Eastern Europe as not so bad, really.” Ahenobarbus@20
You may be right. But my view is that it went much further back. And that the most systematic purveyor of these views was the Foreign Office’s Information Research Department which originated in the late 1940s (1948 I believe). Britain was deeply interested in opposing communism intellectually because it saw it (rightly) as the major external force behind the anti-colonial movements which threatened the , economically vital, colonies. Above all their interest was in ensuring that, when the Colonies became independent, as they knew that they must, they would be ruled by licensed anti-communists such as Tunku Abdul Rahman. As Kenya sends ‘Police” to Haiti to do the Empire’s dirty work for it the logic of the policy- to demonise communism- is evident.
The current “They are both as bad as each other” ideology is promoted by fascists and their useful idiots, who are Legion.
I have no quarrel with Trotsky, who I consider to have been one of the handful of political and literary giants of the last century. But I think that you are wrong in thinking that his survival would have ensured the USSR’s. As to Stalin I am coming to the view that the major problem in the ‘struggle for power’ lay not with him but with the chameleons Zinoviev, Kamenev and Bukharin.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 30 2023 17:35 utc | 71

“…Timothy Snyder’s Bloodlands in 2015 (I think) was a first step in giving this false equivalency an intellectual imprimatur with the goal of casting the Nazi collaborators in Eastern Europe as not so bad, really.” Ahenobarbus@20
You may be right. But my view is that it went much further back. And that the most systematic purveyor of these views was the Foreign Office’s Information Research Department which originated in the late 1940s (1948 I believe). Britain was deeply interested in opposing communism intellectually because it saw it (rightly) as the major external force behind the anti-colonial movements which threatened the , economically vital, colonies. Above all their interest was in ensuring that, when the Colonies became independent, as they knew that they must, they would be ruled by licensed anti-communists such as Tunku Abdul Rahman. As Kenya sends ‘Police” to Haiti to do the Empire’s dirty work for it the logic of the policy- to demonise communism- is evident.
The current “They are both as bad as each other” ideology is promoted by fascists and their useful idiots, who are Legion.
I have no quarrel with Trotsky, who I consider to have been one of the handful of political and literary giants of the last century. But I think that you are wrong in thinking that his survival would have ensured the USSR’s. As to Stalin I am coming to the view that the major problem in the ‘struggle for power’ lay not with him but with the chameleons Zinoviev, Kamenev and Bukharin.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 30 2023 17:35 utc | 72

Angelo | Sep 30 2023 15:51 utc | 18
*** When Russia helped the Union and Abe Lincoln.***
And consider what horrors that intervention led to, worldwide…
The royals in Russia thoroughly deserved to be wiped out, even just for that.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 30 2023 17:51 utc | 73

Angelo | Sep 30 2023 15:51 utc | 18
*** When Russia helped the Union and Abe Lincoln.***
And consider what horrors that intervention led to, worldwide…
The royals in Russia thoroughly deserved to be wiped out, even just for that.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 30 2023 17:51 utc | 74

The Nazi government, like their successor state, the US, used bribery of top military officers as a way to subvert resistance to their invasions.
If Stalin hadn’t removed disloyal officers from their posts, perhaps the USSR would have lasted as long as Denmark or Belgium.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 30 2023 18:00 utc | 75

The Nazi government, like their successor state, the US, used bribery of top military officers as a way to subvert resistance to their invasions.
If Stalin hadn’t removed disloyal officers from their posts, perhaps the USSR would have lasted as long as Denmark or Belgium.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 30 2023 18:00 utc | 76

it was real in their minds

Posted by: leaf | Sep 30 2023 18:02 utc | 77

it was real in their minds

Posted by: leaf | Sep 30 2023 18:02 utc | 78

For a balanced, nuanced rumination of the Stalin era controversies from the Saker:
https://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-controversy-about-stalin-a-basket-of-preliminary-considerations/

Personally, I am left with a sense of not knowing enough. So all I can share with you is my gut feeling, my best guesstimate if you want, of what Stalin and the Soviet era represented for Russia. So here are my highly subjective and personal conclusions which I share with you as a basis for discussion and not as The Total And Final Truth on this issue.
1) The historical Russia has been murdered and completely destroyed by the Bolshevik/Soviet regime. There is no continuity of any type between the rule of Czar Nicholas II and the Lenin-Trotsky duo. Therefore, there is no continuity between what came before and after these two Bolshevik leaders. The post-Soviet “Russia” after 1991 had nothing in common with the real Russia of before 1917. As for Putin’s Russia, the Russia after 2000, it is a new Russia, a Russia which is neither the pre-1917 one, nor the “democratic” pseudo “Russia” of Eltsin, but a new Russia whose real nature I still have to comprehend and which absolutely amazes me. In my wildest dreams during the horrible 1990s, especially 1993, I would never ever imagined to see what I see in Russia today and this gives me a great deal of hope. This new Russia has much stronger roots in the Soviet period than in the distant pre-1917 Russia, but what it has finally truly ditched is the rabid russophobia of the early Bolshevik years and of the equally rabidly russophobic 1990s. And that is really interesting because nowdays you will find monarchists, like Alexander Rutskoi, and Stalinists, like Nikolai Starikov, generally very much agreeing on the present even if they don’t agree about the past. Speaking for myself, as a “People’s Monarchist” (a kind of uniquely Russian Left-leaning monarchism embraced by Fedor Doestoevskii, Lev Tikhomirov or, especially, Ivan Solonevich) I also find myself in agreement with much of what Starikov writes. Except for his book on Stalin which I find absolutely non-convincing, to put it mildly. So this is something new, I think. I do not believe that the “Reds” or the original Bolsheviks were Russian patriots at all, I believe that this is a total myth, however, I do believe that those who today believe in this myth are themselves sincere and real patriots. So while I don’t believe that it possible to find any common ground or “reconciliation” between the White and the Red principles, I do very much believe that there is a real opportunity for a joint stance of Russian patriots today against the real enemy of Russia: the AngloZionist Empire.
Take a look at this amazing picture: the ex-prisoner of the Gulag shakes hands with the ex-KGB officer. True, Putin was only a foreign intelligence officer member of the First Chief Directorate (PGU) of the KGB which had nothing to do with any purges, dissidents or Gulags, but he still wore the same uniform as those KGB officers who kept a watchful (and mostly incompetent) eye on the Russian people (the Fifth Chief Directorate). So this handshake is immensely symbolic: not only did Solzhenitsyn receive Putin in his own home, but his entire face was beaming with real joy (as was Putin’s). These men were both educated and intelligent enough to realize not only the immense power of this symbolic moment, but they also realized what this meant for Russia: that real Russians (in the civilizational sense, of course, ethnically the category “Russian” is meaningless) were finally back in control of their own country. Solzhenitsyn lived long enough to see his country liberated (at least mostly) from the occupation of russophobic leaders representing foreign interests and he also saw that a fellow officer (Solzhenitsyn was decorated First Lieutenant of the Red Army before his arrest in 1945) was now in command of the country.

There are a few sections elsewhere with reasonable guesstimate numbers, all of which of course are disputed in some quarters as all such numbers are, but generally we are talking millions no matter how you make the tally. I think b’s description of the military purge might be on the minimizing side (or about just one particular aspect?) whilst many others go overboard in the other direction. Such extreme events are never easy to unpack, both whilst ongoing in real-time and even decades or centuries later – as this article by the Saker also touches on.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 30 2023 18:02 utc | 79

For a balanced, nuanced rumination of the Stalin era controversies from the Saker:
https://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-controversy-about-stalin-a-basket-of-preliminary-considerations/

Personally, I am left with a sense of not knowing enough. So all I can share with you is my gut feeling, my best guesstimate if you want, of what Stalin and the Soviet era represented for Russia. So here are my highly subjective and personal conclusions which I share with you as a basis for discussion and not as The Total And Final Truth on this issue.
1) The historical Russia has been murdered and completely destroyed by the Bolshevik/Soviet regime. There is no continuity of any type between the rule of Czar Nicholas II and the Lenin-Trotsky duo. Therefore, there is no continuity between what came before and after these two Bolshevik leaders. The post-Soviet “Russia” after 1991 had nothing in common with the real Russia of before 1917. As for Putin’s Russia, the Russia after 2000, it is a new Russia, a Russia which is neither the pre-1917 one, nor the “democratic” pseudo “Russia” of Eltsin, but a new Russia whose real nature I still have to comprehend and which absolutely amazes me. In my wildest dreams during the horrible 1990s, especially 1993, I would never ever imagined to see what I see in Russia today and this gives me a great deal of hope. This new Russia has much stronger roots in the Soviet period than in the distant pre-1917 Russia, but what it has finally truly ditched is the rabid russophobia of the early Bolshevik years and of the equally rabidly russophobic 1990s. And that is really interesting because nowdays you will find monarchists, like Alexander Rutskoi, and Stalinists, like Nikolai Starikov, generally very much agreeing on the present even if they don’t agree about the past. Speaking for myself, as a “People’s Monarchist” (a kind of uniquely Russian Left-leaning monarchism embraced by Fedor Doestoevskii, Lev Tikhomirov or, especially, Ivan Solonevich) I also find myself in agreement with much of what Starikov writes. Except for his book on Stalin which I find absolutely non-convincing, to put it mildly. So this is something new, I think. I do not believe that the “Reds” or the original Bolsheviks were Russian patriots at all, I believe that this is a total myth, however, I do believe that those who today believe in this myth are themselves sincere and real patriots. So while I don’t believe that it possible to find any common ground or “reconciliation” between the White and the Red principles, I do very much believe that there is a real opportunity for a joint stance of Russian patriots today against the real enemy of Russia: the AngloZionist Empire.
Take a look at this amazing picture: the ex-prisoner of the Gulag shakes hands with the ex-KGB officer. True, Putin was only a foreign intelligence officer member of the First Chief Directorate (PGU) of the KGB which had nothing to do with any purges, dissidents or Gulags, but he still wore the same uniform as those KGB officers who kept a watchful (and mostly incompetent) eye on the Russian people (the Fifth Chief Directorate). So this handshake is immensely symbolic: not only did Solzhenitsyn receive Putin in his own home, but his entire face was beaming with real joy (as was Putin’s). These men were both educated and intelligent enough to realize not only the immense power of this symbolic moment, but they also realized what this meant for Russia: that real Russians (in the civilizational sense, of course, ethnically the category “Russian” is meaningless) were finally back in control of their own country. Solzhenitsyn lived long enough to see his country liberated (at least mostly) from the occupation of russophobic leaders representing foreign interests and he also saw that a fellow officer (Solzhenitsyn was decorated First Lieutenant of the Red Army before his arrest in 1945) was now in command of the country.

There are a few sections elsewhere with reasonable guesstimate numbers, all of which of course are disputed in some quarters as all such numbers are, but generally we are talking millions no matter how you make the tally. I think b’s description of the military purge might be on the minimizing side (or about just one particular aspect?) whilst many others go overboard in the other direction. Such extreme events are never easy to unpack, both whilst ongoing in real-time and even decades or centuries later – as this article by the Saker also touches on.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 30 2023 18:02 utc | 80

Ahenobarbus | Sep 30 2023 16:16 utc | 20
*** From that conception, many a fake leftist could argue that a new real socialism must be built by rejecting the entire theoretical heritage from Marx forward and replacing it with very generic, supra-class, ostensibly virtuous single issue goals such as fighting racism, sexism, homophobia, saving the environment etc all of which can be safely “fought” within capitalism. Never mind that capitalism itself actually exacerbates and in many cases deliberately creates these problems.***
Also don’t forget that in the West these wokists and political correcters derive rather a good living for themselves from spouting their synthetic ideological off-the-shelf shit (not to mention the satisfaction of bullying and punishing other people) — being paid to do so directly and indirectly by governments and big corporate/financial interests.
So since they themselves are (so the liberal bigots sanctimoniously think) “good”, that system which empowers and sponsors them, complete with its NGOs and corporate-entity masters, must therefore be basically good too.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 30 2023 18:08 utc | 81

Ahenobarbus | Sep 30 2023 16:16 utc | 20
*** From that conception, many a fake leftist could argue that a new real socialism must be built by rejecting the entire theoretical heritage from Marx forward and replacing it with very generic, supra-class, ostensibly virtuous single issue goals such as fighting racism, sexism, homophobia, saving the environment etc all of which can be safely “fought” within capitalism. Never mind that capitalism itself actually exacerbates and in many cases deliberately creates these problems.***
Also don’t forget that in the West these wokists and political correcters derive rather a good living for themselves from spouting their synthetic ideological off-the-shelf shit (not to mention the satisfaction of bullying and punishing other people) — being paid to do so directly and indirectly by governments and big corporate/financial interests.
So since they themselves are (so the liberal bigots sanctimoniously think) “good”, that system which empowers and sponsors them, complete with its NGOs and corporate-entity masters, must therefore be basically good too.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 30 2023 18:08 utc | 82

The Establishment Narrative filled with factless assertions marches on in the Empire of Lies. Aside from the facts as b related, there are two other antidotes to the mind poison being produced by that publication. The first is Putin’s Reunification Day Speech, and the second is the Global Times editorial marking China’s 10th Martyrs’ Day, “Understanding China’s past and future on Martyrs’ Day”.
When it comes to the issue of brutality in war and even in peace, the Outlaw US Empire is in the top tier: Genocide of Native Americans; Genocide of Koreans; Genocide of Southeast Asians; Genocide of Iraqis; formation and training of Latin American Death Squads; Genocide of Africans during the Era of Slavery; and the poisoning of its own citizenry via nuclear fallout, lead, pollution of aquafers with fracking chemicals, Cancer Alley; and so much more. How many Superfund sites have actually received the funding needed to repair the damage done?
SCF has several items currently that speak to the above and more. “America Needs Regime Change… Robert Kennedy Jr. Dices With Death by Running for the Presidency” is one, and “Crime and Impunity… One Year Lying About U.S.-Led NATO’s Nord Stream Terrorism Breeds More War” is another.
Ending the hegemonic Age of Plunder won’t be an easy task, while also keeping the nukes from flying. As the first item above describes, eliminating the Outlaw elements within the USA will take a massive effort that currently seems implausible given the passivity of its society. But that’s the surest way to keep the nukes from flying.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 30 2023 18:10 utc | 83

The Establishment Narrative filled with factless assertions marches on in the Empire of Lies. Aside from the facts as b related, there are two other antidotes to the mind poison being produced by that publication. The first is Putin’s Reunification Day Speech, and the second is the Global Times editorial marking China’s 10th Martyrs’ Day, “Understanding China’s past and future on Martyrs’ Day”.
When it comes to the issue of brutality in war and even in peace, the Outlaw US Empire is in the top tier: Genocide of Native Americans; Genocide of Koreans; Genocide of Southeast Asians; Genocide of Iraqis; formation and training of Latin American Death Squads; Genocide of Africans during the Era of Slavery; and the poisoning of its own citizenry via nuclear fallout, lead, pollution of aquafers with fracking chemicals, Cancer Alley; and so much more. How many Superfund sites have actually received the funding needed to repair the damage done?
SCF has several items currently that speak to the above and more. “America Needs Regime Change… Robert Kennedy Jr. Dices With Death by Running for the Presidency” is one, and “Crime and Impunity… One Year Lying About U.S.-Led NATO’s Nord Stream Terrorism Breeds More War” is another.
Ending the hegemonic Age of Plunder won’t be an easy task, while also keeping the nukes from flying. As the first item above describes, eliminating the Outlaw elements within the USA will take a massive effort that currently seems implausible given the passivity of its society. But that’s the surest way to keep the nukes from flying.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 30 2023 18:10 utc | 84

Since the archives opened up, demonizing guesses have been replaced by sober counts, and a drastic re-writing of Soviet history in the West is overdue:
https://www.thepostil.com/on-the-extent-of-political-repressions-in-the-ussr-through-the-maze-of-speculations-distortions-and-hoaxes/
The “black legends” accumulated around Stalin in particular need to be stripped away:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5ed33bcd368e221ec227cacd/t/5ee39a1731781f54f197c5f7/1591974443348/Domenico+Losurdo+-+Stalin.pdf
See also the works of Professor Grover Furr, passim

Posted by: CloseReader | Sep 30 2023 18:31 utc | 85

Since the archives opened up, demonizing guesses have been replaced by sober counts, and a drastic re-writing of Soviet history in the West is overdue:
https://www.thepostil.com/on-the-extent-of-political-repressions-in-the-ussr-through-the-maze-of-speculations-distortions-and-hoaxes/
The “black legends” accumulated around Stalin in particular need to be stripped away:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5ed33bcd368e221ec227cacd/t/5ee39a1731781f54f197c5f7/1591974443348/Domenico+Losurdo+-+Stalin.pdf
See also the works of Professor Grover Furr, passim

Posted by: CloseReader | Sep 30 2023 18:31 utc | 86

“The expected 1 million Ukrainian losses, 15 million refugees, devastated families in Ukraine – all these are vain sacrifices because the victory of Putin and Russia over this entire world of civilized barbarians was obvious even before the start of the SMO.
Putin understands not only the power of words and bullets, but also the specifics of a long, long game of cat-and-mouse with all centers of power, and knows that war is a path of deception and that destroying the enemy’s plans and alliances is much more important and smarter than defeating him in open combat.
Putin has already won the war against all of Russia’s enemies; in fact, he didn’t even start it.”
— August Kotlyar

https://twitter.com/apocalypseos/status/1708072959263604923

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 30 2023 18:38 utc | 87

“The expected 1 million Ukrainian losses, 15 million refugees, devastated families in Ukraine – all these are vain sacrifices because the victory of Putin and Russia over this entire world of civilized barbarians was obvious even before the start of the SMO.
Putin understands not only the power of words and bullets, but also the specifics of a long, long game of cat-and-mouse with all centers of power, and knows that war is a path of deception and that destroying the enemy’s plans and alliances is much more important and smarter than defeating him in open combat.
Putin has already won the war against all of Russia’s enemies; in fact, he didn’t even start it.”
— August Kotlyar

https://twitter.com/apocalypseos/status/1708072959263604923

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 30 2023 18:38 utc | 88

The US, during both the Korean and Vietnam wars, killed huge numbers of civilians.
In fact, the US declared areas of Vietnam “free fire zones” meaning anyone there, men, women, and children, were intentionally murdered en mass.
The US also admitted that killing 500,000 Iraqi children during the between war embargo was “worth it” because the embargo would weaken Iraq.
Thus, when an American writes about the brutality of others, it’s a joke.

Posted by: TimmyB | Sep 30 2023 18:40 utc | 89

The US, during both the Korean and Vietnam wars, killed huge numbers of civilians.
In fact, the US declared areas of Vietnam “free fire zones” meaning anyone there, men, women, and children, were intentionally murdered en mass.
The US also admitted that killing 500,000 Iraqi children during the between war embargo was “worth it” because the embargo would weaken Iraq.
Thus, when an American writes about the brutality of others, it’s a joke.

Posted by: TimmyB | Sep 30 2023 18:40 utc | 90

You may be right. But my view is that it went much further back. And that the most systematic purveyor of these views was the Foreign Office’s Information Research Department which originated in the late 1940s (1948 I believe). Britain was deeply interested in opposing communism intellectually because it saw it (rightly) as the major external force behind the anti-colonial movements which threatened the , economically vital, colonies. Above all their interest was in ensuring that, when the Colonies became independent, as they knew that they must, they would be ruled by licensed anti-communists such as Tunku Abdul Rahman. As Kenya sends ‘Police” to Haiti to do the Empire’s dirty work for it the logic of the policy- to demonise communism- is evident.
The current “They are both as bad as each other” ideology is promoted by fascists and their useful idiots, who are Legion.
I have no quarrel with Trotsky, who I consider to have been one of the handful of political and literary giants of the last century. But I think that you are wrong in thinking that his survival would have ensured the USSR’s. As to Stalin I am coming to the view that the major problem in the ‘struggle for power’ lay not with him but with the chameleons Zinoviev, Kamenev and Bukharin.
Posted by: bevin | Sep 30 2023 17:35 utc | 36
Snyder is definitely not the first to rehabilitate the Nazis after WW2. There was a certain Ernst Nolte in Germany in the 80s whose line was essentially that the Nazis were justified based on the threat of Communism from the east. But I think Snyder represents the moment the US RC began to come around the idea aka went mad.
I can’t really say that Trotsky’s survival would have ensured the USSR’s. Counterfactual history is so speculative and doesn’t allow for accuracy, but I can say had he, a genuine marxist theoretician who led the first socialist revolution in world history, survived it would have been much more difficult to liquidate the Soviet Union.
Even if he never returned to Russia on the strength of a left political revolution against the beauracracy, his work would have born fruit. The likelihood he would have developed a party along the lines of the Bolsheviks in the west would have been much greater, especially during WW2 and it’s aftermath.
And you’re certainly right about these three stooges: Zinoviev, Kamenev and Bukharin. They all idiotically paved the national road for Stalin, then realized the error after it was too late. You can see it on their faces in the mugshots Stalin took. Especially Zinoviev.
As Trotsky said, had he and Lenin not been present, the revolution would not have occurred. Lessons of October is the essential proof of this.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 30 2023 18:43 utc | 91

You may be right. But my view is that it went much further back. And that the most systematic purveyor of these views was the Foreign Office’s Information Research Department which originated in the late 1940s (1948 I believe). Britain was deeply interested in opposing communism intellectually because it saw it (rightly) as the major external force behind the anti-colonial movements which threatened the , economically vital, colonies. Above all their interest was in ensuring that, when the Colonies became independent, as they knew that they must, they would be ruled by licensed anti-communists such as Tunku Abdul Rahman. As Kenya sends ‘Police” to Haiti to do the Empire’s dirty work for it the logic of the policy- to demonise communism- is evident.
The current “They are both as bad as each other” ideology is promoted by fascists and their useful idiots, who are Legion.
I have no quarrel with Trotsky, who I consider to have been one of the handful of political and literary giants of the last century. But I think that you are wrong in thinking that his survival would have ensured the USSR’s. As to Stalin I am coming to the view that the major problem in the ‘struggle for power’ lay not with him but with the chameleons Zinoviev, Kamenev and Bukharin.
Posted by: bevin | Sep 30 2023 17:35 utc | 36
Snyder is definitely not the first to rehabilitate the Nazis after WW2. There was a certain Ernst Nolte in Germany in the 80s whose line was essentially that the Nazis were justified based on the threat of Communism from the east. But I think Snyder represents the moment the US RC began to come around the idea aka went mad.
I can’t really say that Trotsky’s survival would have ensured the USSR’s. Counterfactual history is so speculative and doesn’t allow for accuracy, but I can say had he, a genuine marxist theoretician who led the first socialist revolution in world history, survived it would have been much more difficult to liquidate the Soviet Union.
Even if he never returned to Russia on the strength of a left political revolution against the beauracracy, his work would have born fruit. The likelihood he would have developed a party along the lines of the Bolsheviks in the west would have been much greater, especially during WW2 and it’s aftermath.
And you’re certainly right about these three stooges: Zinoviev, Kamenev and Bukharin. They all idiotically paved the national road for Stalin, then realized the error after it was too late. You can see it on their faces in the mugshots Stalin took. Especially Zinoviev.
As Trotsky said, had he and Lenin not been present, the revolution would not have occurred. Lessons of October is the essential proof of this.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 30 2023 18:43 utc | 92

thanks b… quote “What is most astonishing though is that there seems to be a market for such dreck.”
timothy sydner is extremely popular.. maybe someone can explain that…

Posted by: james | Sep 30 2023 18:46 utc | 93

thanks b… quote “What is most astonishing though is that there seems to be a market for such dreck.”
timothy sydner is extremely popular.. maybe someone can explain that…

Posted by: james | Sep 30 2023 18:46 utc | 94

so…once again…these kind of authors ignore the 14000 deaths at least crimes against Donbass citizens . and the thousands of war crimes as recorded in the White Book they and Russia have been compiling and pre senting

Posted by: Jo | Sep 30 2023 19:02 utc | 95

so…once again…these kind of authors ignore the 14000 deaths at least crimes against Donbass citizens . and the thousands of war crimes as recorded in the White Book they and Russia have been compiling and pre senting

Posted by: Jo | Sep 30 2023 19:02 utc | 96

The National Interest is mostly certainly not a neo-con mouthpiece, as some have suggested. Perhaps you are confusing it with The National Review, which used to be fairly libertarian under William F. Buckley but now is very neo-conish, never-Trumpian. The National Interest has had some financial difficulties lately and therefore will publish dubious free content that is thrown their way, such as this utter dreck. That said, they have published many thoughtful pieces about Russia, particularly the effect of the war on world oil & gas markets and food supply.
Academic research typically contains many footnotes because it rests squarely on credible sources. That there are only a handful of footnotes, and that most of the are to dubious sources, particularly WikiLeaks, speaks volumes to this paper’s quality (or lack thereof).
In “Syrian and Russian armed forces made no distinction between civilians and insurgents” the link is to a Guardian piece, which is also highly dubious. Worse still, that piece links to a UN press release, which discusses pro-Syrian government forces, not Russian, killing civilians and criticizes them for – wait for it –
“the use of cluster munitions.”

Posted by: Sudsie76 | Sep 30 2023 19:02 utc | 97

The National Interest is mostly certainly not a neo-con mouthpiece, as some have suggested. Perhaps you are confusing it with The National Review, which used to be fairly libertarian under William F. Buckley but now is very neo-conish, never-Trumpian. The National Interest has had some financial difficulties lately and therefore will publish dubious free content that is thrown their way, such as this utter dreck. That said, they have published many thoughtful pieces about Russia, particularly the effect of the war on world oil & gas markets and food supply.
Academic research typically contains many footnotes because it rests squarely on credible sources. That there are only a handful of footnotes, and that most of the are to dubious sources, particularly WikiLeaks, speaks volumes to this paper’s quality (or lack thereof).
In “Syrian and Russian armed forces made no distinction between civilians and insurgents” the link is to a Guardian piece, which is also highly dubious. Worse still, that piece links to a UN press release, which discusses pro-Syrian government forces, not Russian, killing civilians and criticizes them for – wait for it –
“the use of cluster munitions.”

Posted by: Sudsie76 | Sep 30 2023 19:02 utc | 98

Oh sure, the brutality of the “Untermenschen”, right!
Reading B’s piece reminded me of something seen in one of those documentaries about how civilians in Germany experienced the end of the Nazi war, when the Red Army moved in. An elderly woman from Berlin remembering the day she first met the Russians. She and the other women from her apartment building, together with their children, were huddled together in the “Luftschutzkeller”, probably for days on end. A horrific mood of fear and uncertainty. The Soviets’ advance then made its way on the street above them. Before long, some soldiers came in and searched the entire building, when they found the people down in the bunker. Somehow, across the language barrier, the soldiers demanded to know how many children and women there were, then they left. This brought on a sense of panic among the women, for in their minds the soldiers’ question could only mean they wanted to separate children from women – to collectively rape anyone old enough to be considered a woman. What then happened was the soldiers came back after a while, with a big can full of milk and a bag of rice for the women to cook some “Milchreis” for their families.
“Russia’s continual rape, torture, and murder“, no doubt.
I’m ashamed of the world I live in, the one I have to share with the likes of Ivan Arreguin-Toft.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Sep 30 2023 19:06 utc | 99

Oh sure, the brutality of the “Untermenschen”, right!
Reading B’s piece reminded me of something seen in one of those documentaries about how civilians in Germany experienced the end of the Nazi war, when the Red Army moved in. An elderly woman from Berlin remembering the day she first met the Russians. She and the other women from her apartment building, together with their children, were huddled together in the “Luftschutzkeller”, probably for days on end. A horrific mood of fear and uncertainty. The Soviets’ advance then made its way on the street above them. Before long, some soldiers came in and searched the entire building, when they found the people down in the bunker. Somehow, across the language barrier, the soldiers demanded to know how many children and women there were, then they left. This brought on a sense of panic among the women, for in their minds the soldiers’ question could only mean they wanted to separate children from women – to collectively rape anyone old enough to be considered a woman. What then happened was the soldiers came back after a while, with a big can full of milk and a bag of rice for the women to cook some “Milchreis” for their families.
“Russia’s continual rape, torture, and murder“, no doubt.
I’m ashamed of the world I live in, the one I have to share with the likes of Ivan Arreguin-Toft.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Sep 30 2023 19:06 utc | 100