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September 24, 2023
The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2023-224

Last week's post on Moon of Alabama:

Ivan Katchanovski @I_Katchanovski – 0:23 UTC · Sep 24, 2023

These are photos of SS Galicia Division veteran who was given standing ovation by Canadian parliament, prime-minister of Canada and president of Ukraine. He published these photos of himself in this division during training in Germany. He is standing in the middle in 1st photo, second on the left in 2nd photo & without helmet near machine gun in 3d photo.


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Assad is very enthusiastically received in China, especially his wife lol
https://twitter.com/SAMSyria0/status/1705242231739666749

Posted by: leaf | Sep 24 2023 13:26 utc | 1

Assad is very enthusiastically received in China, especially his wife lol
https://twitter.com/SAMSyria0/status/1705242231739666749

Posted by: leaf | Sep 24 2023 13:26 utc | 2

Nobody has seemed to pick up on this commentary:
Taking advantage of Russia’s preoccupations in Ukraine, the US and the EU have inserted themselves aggressively into the Black Sea region and the Caucasus. Armenia is a low hanging fruit.

Posted by: Maracatu | Sep 24 2023 13:40 utc | 3

Nobody has seemed to pick up on this commentary:
Taking advantage of Russia’s preoccupations in Ukraine, the US and the EU have inserted themselves aggressively into the Black Sea region and the Caucasus. Armenia is a low hanging fruit.

Posted by: Maracatu | Sep 24 2023 13:40 utc | 4

Just in parallel with b’s news on Canada this week, I’d just like to post another comment on what Québec and it’s premier were up to this week. Montreal mayor, Val Plante, went to New York. Posts on her Twitter/X account are pretty much what might be expected:
With Eric Adams, mayor of New York
https://x.com/Val_Plante/status/1704943888681586869
At the UN for Climate Week
https://x.com/Val_Plante/status/1704886773866713162
Then there are the updates from the Twitter/X account of premier, Francois Legault. They are a bit different. I don’t know why, but perhaps it has something to do with why he was featured in La Presse, a 5 article series on his political career.
https://x.com/francoislegault/status/1704607327913992472
https://x.com/francoislegault/status/1705914980468691251
And… lots of mixing & mingling of Legault with the US political class in other posts: Al Gore; New York State Governor, Kathy Hochul; Washington State Governor, Jay Inslee; California Governor, Gavin Newsom

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 24 2023 13:41 utc | 5

Just in parallel with b’s news on Canada this week, I’d just like to post another comment on what Québec and it’s premier were up to this week. Montreal mayor, Val Plante, went to New York. Posts on her Twitter/X account are pretty much what might be expected:
With Eric Adams, mayor of New York
https://x.com/Val_Plante/status/1704943888681586869
At the UN for Climate Week
https://x.com/Val_Plante/status/1704886773866713162
Then there are the updates from the Twitter/X account of premier, Francois Legault. They are a bit different. I don’t know why, but perhaps it has something to do with why he was featured in La Presse, a 5 article series on his political career.
https://x.com/francoislegault/status/1704607327913992472
https://x.com/francoislegault/status/1705914980468691251
And… lots of mixing & mingling of Legault with the US political class in other posts: Al Gore; New York State Governor, Kathy Hochul; Washington State Governor, Jay Inslee; California Governor, Gavin Newsom

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 24 2023 13:41 utc | 6

The under-reported story from last week is Zelinski’s Wall Street meetings with leaders of private Capital.
Gasparino of Fox reports that Zelinski took meetings with:
. Larry Fink — Black Rock CEO.
. William Ackman — Pershing Square Capital.
. Ken Griffin — Citadel.
. Jonathan Gray — Blackstone.
. Philipp Hildebrand — BlackRock.
. Michael Bloomberg — Bloomberg LP.
. Eric Schmidt — ex. Google current Schmidt Futures.
. Henry Kissinger.
. Robert Kraft — New England Patriots.
. Jose Andres — relief organization World Central Kitchen.

The meeting, which hasn’t been publicly announced or reported on, was the brainchild of JPMorgan’s Mary Erdoes, who runs the firm’s asset and wealth management unit, and Vince La Padula, CEO of the firm’s wealth solutions unit. It’s scheduled to take place at around 4:30 p.m. ET at the Permanent Mission of Ukraine to the United Nations in midtown Manhattan.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/ukraines-zelenskyy-to-meet-with-nations-top-financers-diplomats-in-new-york-city

CNN published a photo of Kissenger seated next to Erdoes and across the table from Zelinski.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 24 2023 14:01 utc | 7

The under-reported story from last week is Zelinski’s Wall Street meetings with leaders of private Capital.
Gasparino of Fox reports that Zelinski took meetings with:
. Larry Fink — Black Rock CEO.
. William Ackman — Pershing Square Capital.
. Ken Griffin — Citadel.
. Jonathan Gray — Blackstone.
. Philipp Hildebrand — BlackRock.
. Michael Bloomberg — Bloomberg LP.
. Eric Schmidt — ex. Google current Schmidt Futures.
. Henry Kissinger.
. Robert Kraft — New England Patriots.
. Jose Andres — relief organization World Central Kitchen.

The meeting, which hasn’t been publicly announced or reported on, was the brainchild of JPMorgan’s Mary Erdoes, who runs the firm’s asset and wealth management unit, and Vince La Padula, CEO of the firm’s wealth solutions unit. It’s scheduled to take place at around 4:30 p.m. ET at the Permanent Mission of Ukraine to the United Nations in midtown Manhattan.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/ukraines-zelenskyy-to-meet-with-nations-top-financers-diplomats-in-new-york-city

CNN published a photo of Kissenger seated next to Erdoes and across the table from Zelinski.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 24 2023 14:01 utc | 8

Bruised Northerner@3
I recall stories, from the 70s, of Pierre Elliot Trudeau’s wartime adventures in Quebec. One of them involved his having been arrested for riding a motorbike wearing a Wehrmacht helmet.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 14:07 utc | 9

Bruised Northerner@3
I recall stories, from the 70s, of Pierre Elliot Trudeau’s wartime adventures in Quebec. One of them involved his having been arrested for riding a motorbike wearing a Wehrmacht helmet.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 14:07 utc | 10

“Governments across the planet are spending countless billions to combat climate change — when the models that supposedly justify those outlays can’t explain why global temperatures have been flat for nearly two decades now. Yet federal funds are going for a feminist take on climate.
Almost makes you wonder if science really has much of anything to do with all the noise over climate change.”
hmm New York Post lies at the end of the article on this paper, the paper itself sounds like bullshit but without a link I don’t trust the Post’s reporting on it. global temperatures haven’t been flat for 2 decades or 1 decade or 5 years. I don’t like wokeism, and I also don’t like lying about the science, so get it right.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 24 2023 14:20 utc | 11

“Governments across the planet are spending countless billions to combat climate change — when the models that supposedly justify those outlays can’t explain why global temperatures have been flat for nearly two decades now. Yet federal funds are going for a feminist take on climate.
Almost makes you wonder if science really has much of anything to do with all the noise over climate change.”
hmm New York Post lies at the end of the article on this paper, the paper itself sounds like bullshit but without a link I don’t trust the Post’s reporting on it. global temperatures haven’t been flat for 2 decades or 1 decade or 5 years. I don’t like wokeism, and I also don’t like lying about the science, so get it right.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 24 2023 14:20 utc | 12

Re: Xi, Assad announce China-Syria strategic partnership –
Global Times

Xi’s Charm Offensive is winning so many friends around the world that in a year or so Taiwan will be begging to join the China Friendship, Prosperity and Defense Club.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 24 2023 14:21 utc | 13

Re: Xi, Assad announce China-Syria strategic partnership –
Global Times

Xi’s Charm Offensive is winning so many friends around the world that in a year or so Taiwan will be begging to join the China Friendship, Prosperity and Defense Club.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 24 2023 14:21 utc | 14

…and I also don’t like lying about the science, so get it right.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 24 2023 14:20 utc | 6
There is no such animal as “the science”, so lying about it is pretty hard to do.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 24 2023 14:40 utc | 15

…and I also don’t like lying about the science, so get it right.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 24 2023 14:20 utc | 6
There is no such animal as “the science”, so lying about it is pretty hard to do.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 24 2023 14:40 utc | 16

Posted by: too scents | Sep 24 2023 14:01 utc | 4
And yet there’s still some, even here, who wonder how come that nice zelensky doesn’t choose peace even when it would be better for “his people”. Ukrainians and other slavs are not his people, the ones at wall street and israel are.
I’ve been thinking, aren’t they just going to depopulate Ukraine, kill off the men (the women can stay for various uses, the old people can be taken care of (sic) by the healthcare system), fly the jews over, and then make the whole thing an even bigger money siphon than the first israel. Make the West pay for absolutely everything.
Maybe they can even jam it into the EU while pretending it’s still a slavic country and get some kind of quadruple profit:
– Permanent EU subsidies several times the size of the current money hose leading from the US and Germany to israel
– Separately, full rebuilding coverage
– Make it into an overpriced exclusive grain producer while they slit the throat of european agriculture, and
– Blackrock gets all of it for free.
They can put a picture on the grain bags of a happy heterosexual golden-haired ukrainian couple in a wheat field, their kids running happily around with no mines and no one getting harvested or anything. Except the wheat. Should be enough to convince the Europeans that they’re paying to get the good Ukrainians (who at that point exist only in landfill) back on their feet.

Posted by: Jusses | Sep 24 2023 14:42 utc | 17

Posted by: too scents | Sep 24 2023 14:01 utc | 4
And yet there’s still some, even here, who wonder how come that nice zelensky doesn’t choose peace even when it would be better for “his people”. Ukrainians and other slavs are not his people, the ones at wall street and israel are.
I’ve been thinking, aren’t they just going to depopulate Ukraine, kill off the men (the women can stay for various uses, the old people can be taken care of (sic) by the healthcare system), fly the jews over, and then make the whole thing an even bigger money siphon than the first israel. Make the West pay for absolutely everything.
Maybe they can even jam it into the EU while pretending it’s still a slavic country and get some kind of quadruple profit:
– Permanent EU subsidies several times the size of the current money hose leading from the US and Germany to israel
– Separately, full rebuilding coverage
– Make it into an overpriced exclusive grain producer while they slit the throat of european agriculture, and
– Blackrock gets all of it for free.
They can put a picture on the grain bags of a happy heterosexual golden-haired ukrainian couple in a wheat field, their kids running happily around with no mines and no one getting harvested or anything. Except the wheat. Should be enough to convince the Europeans that they’re paying to get the good Ukrainians (who at that point exist only in landfill) back on their feet.

Posted by: Jusses | Sep 24 2023 14:42 utc | 18

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 24 2023 14:40 utc | 8
bullshit. emissions are causing global warming, and the temperature is rising. you want to criticise the paper get the details right. the paper was financed by the Mellon Foundation and the NSF. The post doesn’t inform us of who provided the bulk of the contributions, so i don’t know if any of their details are right.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 24 2023 14:44 utc | 19

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 24 2023 14:40 utc | 8
bullshit. emissions are causing global warming, and the temperature is rising. you want to criticise the paper get the details right. the paper was financed by the Mellon Foundation and the NSF. The post doesn’t inform us of who provided the bulk of the contributions, so i don’t know if any of their details are right.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 24 2023 14:44 utc | 20

bevin @5,
I hadn’t heard about that! I wonder what he was suggesting. Kind of like when Prince Harry went out dressed in Nazi wear. Peculiar. I don’t know where Trudeau (or Zelensky) fits in all this, but I’m starting to wonder if Legault is favoured to lead the Organisation Internationale de la Francophonie. Currently the Secretary-General is a lady from Tunisia, Louise Mushikiwabo. Perhaps some notable members of the Democratic Party object to replacing a Francophone woman from Africa with Legault. But perhaps those Democratic Party members need a friendly reminder of where their electricity (and more) comes from. Which I’m sure has happened.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 24 2023 14:46 utc | 21

bevin @5,
I hadn’t heard about that! I wonder what he was suggesting. Kind of like when Prince Harry went out dressed in Nazi wear. Peculiar. I don’t know where Trudeau (or Zelensky) fits in all this, but I’m starting to wonder if Legault is favoured to lead the Organisation Internationale de la Francophonie. Currently the Secretary-General is a lady from Tunisia, Louise Mushikiwabo. Perhaps some notable members of the Democratic Party object to replacing a Francophone woman from Africa with Legault. But perhaps those Democratic Party members need a friendly reminder of where their electricity (and more) comes from. Which I’m sure has happened.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 24 2023 14:46 utc | 22

u$$a pre-occupation with war over formosa (aka taiwan/aka republic of china) is cheap harassment for the real china.
the reward for flying a few sorties over the formosa straits is us going ballistic and squandering huge amounts of its national treasure.
real china knows there is no career in fighting over formosa, but there is huge pay off in baiting the paper tiger with images of fighting over formosa……
the u$$a is projecting its grandiose tactic of ‘burning the village to save’ it on to real china.
if u$$a did not have nukes this all would be comical.

Posted by: paddy | Sep 24 2023 14:47 utc | 23

u$$a pre-occupation with war over formosa (aka taiwan/aka republic of china) is cheap harassment for the real china.
the reward for flying a few sorties over the formosa straits is us going ballistic and squandering huge amounts of its national treasure.
real china knows there is no career in fighting over formosa, but there is huge pay off in baiting the paper tiger with images of fighting over formosa……
the u$$a is projecting its grandiose tactic of ‘burning the village to save’ it on to real china.
if u$$a did not have nukes this all would be comical.

Posted by: paddy | Sep 24 2023 14:47 utc | 24

Phil R | Sep 24 2023 14:40 utc | 8
you cannot lie about ‘the science’, hypotheses tested, etc.
you can ‘alter’ the results to what you want, use skewed ground rules, assumptions and biased statistics!
no fighting in ‘the science’ room!

Posted by: paddy | Sep 24 2023 14:51 utc | 25

Phil R | Sep 24 2023 14:40 utc | 8
you cannot lie about ‘the science’, hypotheses tested, etc.
you can ‘alter’ the results to what you want, use skewed ground rules, assumptions and biased statistics!
no fighting in ‘the science’ room!

Posted by: paddy | Sep 24 2023 14:51 utc | 26

The meeting, which hasn’t been publicly announced or reported on, was the brainchild of JPMorgan’s Mary Erdoes, who runs the firm’s asset and wealth management unit, and Vince La Padula, CEO of the firm’s wealth solutions unit. It’s scheduled to take place at around 4:30 p.m. ET at the Permanent Mission of Ukraine to the United Nations in midtown Manhattan.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/ukraines-zelenskyy-to-meet-with-nations-top-financers-diplomats-in-new-york-city
Posted by: too scents | Sep 24 2023 14:01 utc | 4
———————————————————-
Virtue signaling never goes wrong. A win for JPMorgan’s Mary Erdoes.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 24 2023 14:53 utc | 27

The meeting, which hasn’t been publicly announced or reported on, was the brainchild of JPMorgan’s Mary Erdoes, who runs the firm’s asset and wealth management unit, and Vince La Padula, CEO of the firm’s wealth solutions unit. It’s scheduled to take place at around 4:30 p.m. ET at the Permanent Mission of Ukraine to the United Nations in midtown Manhattan.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/ukraines-zelenskyy-to-meet-with-nations-top-financers-diplomats-in-new-york-city
Posted by: too scents | Sep 24 2023 14:01 utc | 4
———————————————————-
Virtue signaling never goes wrong. A win for JPMorgan’s Mary Erdoes.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 24 2023 14:53 utc | 28

Posted by: paddy | Sep 24 2023 14:51 utc | 13
but that isn’t what is happening on the science side. sure the fossil fuel companies fund people to lie about the science, using skewed ground rules, biased stats. I tell you what they can’t do, with all their billions of dollars–produce a study with an alternate hypothesis that holds up. they tried, and failed catastrophically as people predicted, and even since they have relied on ads and ad campaigns and bs.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 24 2023 14:56 utc | 29

Posted by: paddy | Sep 24 2023 14:51 utc | 13
but that isn’t what is happening on the science side. sure the fossil fuel companies fund people to lie about the science, using skewed ground rules, biased stats. I tell you what they can’t do, with all their billions of dollars–produce a study with an alternate hypothesis that holds up. they tried, and failed catastrophically as people predicted, and even since they have relied on ads and ad campaigns and bs.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 24 2023 14:56 utc | 30

Virtue signaling never goes wrong. A win for JPMorgan’s Mary Erdoes.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 24 2023 14:53 utc | 14

Seems more like a shakedown to me.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 24 2023 15:21 utc | 31

Virtue signaling never goes wrong. A win for JPMorgan’s Mary Erdoes.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 24 2023 14:53 utc | 14

Seems more like a shakedown to me.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 24 2023 15:21 utc | 32

The interest of a pack of Neoliberal Parasites in bankrupt Ukraine is indeed curious. But are they as deluded about Ukraine’s chances against Russia as Team Biden?

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2023 15:29 utc | 33

The interest of a pack of Neoliberal Parasites in bankrupt Ukraine is indeed curious. But are they as deluded about Ukraine’s chances against Russia as Team Biden?

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2023 15:29 utc | 34

Posted by: too scents | Sep 24 2023 14:01 utc | 4
. Robert Kraft — New England Patriots.
. Henry Kissinger.

Posted by: john brewster | Sep 24 2023 15:33 utc | 35

Posted by: too scents | Sep 24 2023 14:01 utc | 4
. Robert Kraft — New England Patriots.
. Henry Kissinger.

Posted by: john brewster | Sep 24 2023 15:33 utc | 36

Again for those who missed it, “Lavrov’s UNGA Speech, Documents & Presser”, with another hat-tip to Zet for posting the links to the documents.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2023 15:34 utc | 37

Again for those who missed it, “Lavrov’s UNGA Speech, Documents & Presser”, with another hat-tip to Zet for posting the links to the documents.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2023 15:34 utc | 38

I just thought I’d pop by and apologize on behalf of Canada and any remaining saying Canadians. We are such an embarrassment these days.
The idea that our government is applauding zelinsky and War films of Nazi war criminals is just appalling.
This being a G7 country the only thing we can really do is speak out against this Behavior.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 24 2023 15:36 utc | 39

I just thought I’d pop by and apologize on behalf of Canada and any remaining saying Canadians. We are such an embarrassment these days.
The idea that our government is applauding zelinsky and War films of Nazi war criminals is just appalling.
This being a G7 country the only thing we can really do is speak out against this Behavior.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 24 2023 15:36 utc | 40

thanks b…
ditto @ David G Horsman | Sep 24 2023 15:36 utc | 20 comment… david – i plan on writing the members of parliament to address this.. how about you?? i am also sending my friends a link to that forward article that b posted….

Posted by: james | Sep 24 2023 15:38 utc | 41

thanks b…
ditto @ David G Horsman | Sep 24 2023 15:36 utc | 20 comment… david – i plan on writing the members of parliament to address this.. how about you?? i am also sending my friends a link to that forward article that b posted….

Posted by: james | Sep 24 2023 15:38 utc | 42

Menendez corruption was about weapon “sales”
I left something important out of my comments in the last thread. B is only half right when he says that Egyptian beef eaters paid for the Menendez corruption. Far bigger payers were the US taxpayers.
The bribes were used to get the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to approve weapons “sales” to Egypt. The weapons were not actually sold, but where paid by US. military aid. In the end, Menendez approved sending a billion dollars of taxpayer money to US weapons manufacturers – year after year.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 24 2023 15:58 utc | 43

Menendez corruption was about weapon “sales”
I left something important out of my comments in the last thread. B is only half right when he says that Egyptian beef eaters paid for the Menendez corruption. Far bigger payers were the US taxpayers.
The bribes were used to get the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to approve weapons “sales” to Egypt. The weapons were not actually sold, but where paid by US. military aid. In the end, Menendez approved sending a billion dollars of taxpayer money to US weapons manufacturers – year after year.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 24 2023 15:58 utc | 44

I believe it was David Levine who asked me about Russia’s electoral system, to which I replied that the main body that oversees elections, the Central Election Commission, website was blocked to me and remains so. Today, Putin made a video address to commemorate its 30th anniversary and said the following:

President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Colleagues,
This year we mark 30 years since the establishment of the Central Election Commission of Russia. I want to congratulate the current staff of the Central Election Commission, its leadership and, of course, all those, who are working or worked in the previous years in this highly important state body.
I would like to thank you, first and foremost, for the well-calibrated organisation of the election process. You are absolutely independent in your work, since there is no higher authority in this field. You make all decisions on your own, publicly and collectively, and guided only by the law and the principles of openness, transparency and utmost responsibility. Voters’ trust in election results depends on your professionalism, impartiality and transparency of your organisation. You do everything in your power to make sure that elections are held honestly and legitimately, in strict compliance with the law.
Over the past thirty years, the Russian electoral system has come a long way. It is constantly improving, using the latest technical achievements and the best world practices, harmoniously combining tradition and innovation.
In recent years digital solutions, which make participation in elections comfortable and accessible, have been actively implemented. A unique, second-to-none video surveillance system has been installed at polling stations.
Modern technological tools that allow for automatic processing of the votes are being used, and remote e-voting is available in many constituent entities of the Russian Federation.
Today, every citizen has everything necessary to freely express his or her will at the elections, do it at the official place of residence or wherever one might be, at a polling station or at home, on the day when it is most convenient, since there is an opportunity to vote within a period of several days.
Colleagues,
I would like to highlight your awareness-building efforts to help people understand the importance of elections and each citizen’s participation.
You also work together with Russian political parties, representatives of civil society and your colleagues abroad, and make a significant contribution to socio-political dialogue and stability.
I would like to separately thank you for your great help and support in creating electoral commissions of the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics, the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions. For acting bravely, decisively, despite all the challenges and numerous threats.
Colleagues,
In essence, we are celebrating the 30th anniversary of Russia’s entire electoral system this year. It is rightfully considered to be one of the best in the world, since it is based on election procedures which are clear and transparent for citizens, on strict compliance with the standards of election legislation, protection of national interests, Russia’s sovereignty and free expression of its citizens’ will.
It is the people who are the source of power in our country. They define its national development path. I would like to stress that the Central Election Commission deserves great credit for asserting the most important constitutional right of our citizens – to elect and be elected.
Once again, I would like to extend my congratulations on the anniversary date. I wish you good health, success and all the best.

IMO, that’s the best vote of confidence any agency can get. Think of what Trump and others have said about the state of elections within the Outlaw US Empire for a comparison. This sentence is the most important:
“Voters’ trust in election results depends on your professionalism, impartiality and transparency of your organisation.”
And Russia’s voters do trust the Commission and thus the security and accuracy of elections in Russia.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2023 16:04 utc | 45

I believe it was David Levine who asked me about Russia’s electoral system, to which I replied that the main body that oversees elections, the Central Election Commission, website was blocked to me and remains so. Today, Putin made a video address to commemorate its 30th anniversary and said the following:

President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Colleagues,
This year we mark 30 years since the establishment of the Central Election Commission of Russia. I want to congratulate the current staff of the Central Election Commission, its leadership and, of course, all those, who are working or worked in the previous years in this highly important state body.
I would like to thank you, first and foremost, for the well-calibrated organisation of the election process. You are absolutely independent in your work, since there is no higher authority in this field. You make all decisions on your own, publicly and collectively, and guided only by the law and the principles of openness, transparency and utmost responsibility. Voters’ trust in election results depends on your professionalism, impartiality and transparency of your organisation. You do everything in your power to make sure that elections are held honestly and legitimately, in strict compliance with the law.
Over the past thirty years, the Russian electoral system has come a long way. It is constantly improving, using the latest technical achievements and the best world practices, harmoniously combining tradition and innovation.
In recent years digital solutions, which make participation in elections comfortable and accessible, have been actively implemented. A unique, second-to-none video surveillance system has been installed at polling stations.
Modern technological tools that allow for automatic processing of the votes are being used, and remote e-voting is available in many constituent entities of the Russian Federation.
Today, every citizen has everything necessary to freely express his or her will at the elections, do it at the official place of residence or wherever one might be, at a polling station or at home, on the day when it is most convenient, since there is an opportunity to vote within a period of several days.
Colleagues,
I would like to highlight your awareness-building efforts to help people understand the importance of elections and each citizen’s participation.
You also work together with Russian political parties, representatives of civil society and your colleagues abroad, and make a significant contribution to socio-political dialogue and stability.
I would like to separately thank you for your great help and support in creating electoral commissions of the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics, the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions. For acting bravely, decisively, despite all the challenges and numerous threats.
Colleagues,
In essence, we are celebrating the 30th anniversary of Russia’s entire electoral system this year. It is rightfully considered to be one of the best in the world, since it is based on election procedures which are clear and transparent for citizens, on strict compliance with the standards of election legislation, protection of national interests, Russia’s sovereignty and free expression of its citizens’ will.
It is the people who are the source of power in our country. They define its national development path. I would like to stress that the Central Election Commission deserves great credit for asserting the most important constitutional right of our citizens – to elect and be elected.
Once again, I would like to extend my congratulations on the anniversary date. I wish you good health, success and all the best.

IMO, that’s the best vote of confidence any agency can get. Think of what Trump and others have said about the state of elections within the Outlaw US Empire for a comparison. This sentence is the most important:
“Voters’ trust in election results depends on your professionalism, impartiality and transparency of your organisation.”
And Russia’s voters do trust the Commission and thus the security and accuracy of elections in Russia.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2023 16:04 utc | 46

no fighting in ‘the science’ room!
Posted by: paddy | Sep 24 2023 14:51 utc | 13
No intellectual disagreement or honest debate in “the science” room either.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 24 2023 16:16 utc | 47

no fighting in ‘the science’ room!
Posted by: paddy | Sep 24 2023 14:51 utc | 13
No intellectual disagreement or honest debate in “the science” room either.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 24 2023 16:16 utc | 48

Yes, Dems need to replace Biden with someone half his age, someone who is not just a closet Republican. I’m sick of constant wars, and growing poverty and homelessness. Shut down the wars, get busy on countering global warming and climate change.

Posted by: lester | Sep 24 2023 16:20 utc | 49

Yes, Dems need to replace Biden with someone half his age, someone who is not just a closet Republican. I’m sick of constant wars, and growing poverty and homelessness. Shut down the wars, get busy on countering global warming and climate change.

Posted by: lester | Sep 24 2023 16:20 utc | 50

i plan on writing the members of parliament to address this.. how about you?? i am also sending my friends a link to that forward article that b posted….

Posted by: james | Sep 24 2023 15:38 utc | 21
Hi James! It’s always nice to see your regular posts. That’s great! Although creating something on one of those (very public) petition sites might be more productive. I don’t know. I don’t think they care much about our digital protestations.
After a very long delay (see Covid) I’m back to my original plans. I’m going to create an app to address these many problems. How absurd. It’s not only a rather large undertaking but it’s involved a lot of upgrading for me. Wish me luck. BTW I’m just now publishing quite a bit of code (DHorse2 on github) that has an educational focus. Money is another thing I will need so I’m back in the job market as well. Lots going on.
Where is this effort going? The result? You will be able to use comments and social media anywhere and everywhere online. A free speech platform that comes with goodies. A “must have” in my view.
So? What do think? You could post your protest letter on CBC’s home page if you wanted. That’s the concept.
Concerning this latest outrage I am letting friends and family know what happened and the context around it. I also plan to post my feeling on various web sites that allow it.
If you decide to put signatures to your letter you can absolutely add my name to it. Cheers.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 24 2023 16:20 utc | 51

i plan on writing the members of parliament to address this.. how about you?? i am also sending my friends a link to that forward article that b posted….

Posted by: james | Sep 24 2023 15:38 utc | 21
Hi James! It’s always nice to see your regular posts. That’s great! Although creating something on one of those (very public) petition sites might be more productive. I don’t know. I don’t think they care much about our digital protestations.
After a very long delay (see Covid) I’m back to my original plans. I’m going to create an app to address these many problems. How absurd. It’s not only a rather large undertaking but it’s involved a lot of upgrading for me. Wish me luck. BTW I’m just now publishing quite a bit of code (DHorse2 on github) that has an educational focus. Money is another thing I will need so I’m back in the job market as well. Lots going on.
Where is this effort going? The result? You will be able to use comments and social media anywhere and everywhere online. A free speech platform that comes with goodies. A “must have” in my view.
So? What do think? You could post your protest letter on CBC’s home page if you wanted. That’s the concept.
Concerning this latest outrage I am letting friends and family know what happened and the context around it. I also plan to post my feeling on various web sites that allow it.
If you decide to put signatures to your letter you can absolutely add my name to it. Cheers.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 24 2023 16:20 utc | 52

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 24 2023 14:20 utc | 6
I absolutely agree but please note the pub date of that article: 2016. (their assertion at the end is still wrong though.)

Posted by: Zet | Sep 24 2023 16:29 utc | 53

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 24 2023 14:20 utc | 6
I absolutely agree but please note the pub date of that article: 2016. (their assertion at the end is still wrong though.)

Posted by: Zet | Sep 24 2023 16:29 utc | 54

“…in a year or so Taiwan will be begging to join the China Friendship, Prosperity and Defense Club.” -Hoarsewhisperer
The economies of the mainaland and the island are pretty closely intertwined, have been for a long time. Only Biden wants an invasion and warfare.

Posted by: lester | Sep 24 2023 16:30 utc | 55

“…in a year or so Taiwan will be begging to join the China Friendship, Prosperity and Defense Club.” -Hoarsewhisperer
The economies of the mainaland and the island are pretty closely intertwined, have been for a long time. Only Biden wants an invasion and warfare.

Posted by: lester | Sep 24 2023 16:30 utc | 56

bullshit. emissions are causing global warming, and the temperature is rising. you want to criticise the paper get the details right. the paper was financed by the Mellon Foundation and the NSF. The post doesn’t inform us of who provided the bulk of the contributions, so i don’t know if any of their details are right.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 24 2023 14:44 utc | 10

Congratulations, taxpayers of America: You’ve just spent $412,930 on a “scientific” paper on the “relationship between gender and glaciers.”
That’s what the National Science Foundation dropped on “Glaciers, gender and science,” 10,000-plus words of gobbledygook from University of Oregon prof Mark Carey.
Sure, that’s roughly 40 bucks a word — but many of them are big words.
The study urges scientists to take a “feminist political ecology and feminist postcolonial” approach when studying melting ice caps and climate change. Hey, it’s not really global doom unless it comes with full-bore cutting-edge social-justice buzzwords.
Another taste: “The feminist glaciology framework generates robust analysis of gender, power and epistemologies in dynamic social-ecological systems, thereby leading to more just and equitable science and human-ice interactions.

This is the current state of the so-called “the science” in climate science. If you’re good with this then who am I to judge? But to echo the only word you got right in your comment, this is “bullshit.”

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 24 2023 16:31 utc | 57

bullshit. emissions are causing global warming, and the temperature is rising. you want to criticise the paper get the details right. the paper was financed by the Mellon Foundation and the NSF. The post doesn’t inform us of who provided the bulk of the contributions, so i don’t know if any of their details are right.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 24 2023 14:44 utc | 10

Congratulations, taxpayers of America: You’ve just spent $412,930 on a “scientific” paper on the “relationship between gender and glaciers.”
That’s what the National Science Foundation dropped on “Glaciers, gender and science,” 10,000-plus words of gobbledygook from University of Oregon prof Mark Carey.
Sure, that’s roughly 40 bucks a word — but many of them are big words.
The study urges scientists to take a “feminist political ecology and feminist postcolonial” approach when studying melting ice caps and climate change. Hey, it’s not really global doom unless it comes with full-bore cutting-edge social-justice buzzwords.
Another taste: “The feminist glaciology framework generates robust analysis of gender, power and epistemologies in dynamic social-ecological systems, thereby leading to more just and equitable science and human-ice interactions.

This is the current state of the so-called “the science” in climate science. If you’re good with this then who am I to judge? But to echo the only word you got right in your comment, this is “bullshit.”

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 24 2023 16:31 utc | 58

@ Maracatu | Sep 24 2023 13:40 utc | 2
There are several relevant points about the Armenian situation. One is, what now becomes of the 120,000 Armenians of Nagorno Karabakh (Artsakh)? Some have speculated that they will stay under Azeri rule, but I doubt that. It is just like the flight of the French colons from Algeria in 1962; it was supposed many would stay, but almost none did, out of fear of reprisals. Never mind that the Armenians are an ancient, autochthonous population while the French were settler colonizers, because the fear of the losers leading to their flight is the same. Didn’t the news say that thousands had already gathered at Stepanakert airport to leave Karabakh? Didn’t the Armenian prime minister say to Armenia, “Prepare to receive 40,000 Armenian refugee families from Artsakh”? It looks like another total defeat for Armenia, with all the baggage that that brings.
Then there is the question you raise of Armenia’s potential realignment with the US. Armenia is enraged at Russia for not saving Armenian Karabakh, but it is also very displeased with the constant US and other western tilt in favor of Turkey and Azerbaijan, and of course no one but the Armenians has ever seriously taken up the cause of Artsakh, however much there might be hand-wringing over the fate of the Armenians there. Armenia’s desire to align with the West dates back to 1991 and before, even though the West has never brought it anything but grief and even though its only savior ever was the Soviet Union. Armenia’s pro-western desire comes from the huge Armenian diaspora there, and mainly from the expectation of economic betterment through membership in the capitalist world which was also the self-deception of all the other former communist countries, including Russia. Since Armenia was never able to get that alignment, its people still have not experienced what that would really mean, mainly further impoverishment, so they continue to hope for the cargo cult of capitalism to bring them goodies from the sky.
The US, for its part, will never embrace the Armenians’ agenda about their “lost lands” all around, because US relations with the Turkic world are worth more. Nevertheless, the Armenians might think the US at least would protect the internationally-recognized borders of their existing nation-state. However, Armenia does not have much to offer, as it has very little strategic or economic value. Landlocked, it doesn’t really lead anywhere. The alignment of Georgia with Azerbaijan and Turkey means that any highway from Central Asia to Turkey can simply go through Georgia, and the route through Iran is also open. The idea that a route is needed along the Araks River at the southern border of Armenia would in reality only benefit Azerbaijan by linking it directly to its exclave of Nakhchivan, and maybe also providing a more direct link for Turkey to Azerbaijan. Conversely, because Armenia butts up against Georgia and shares no border with Russia, it does not offer any corridor for Russia to connect with Iran. So, contrary to what media usually say, Armenia has almost no strategic importance or value, neither to the US or to any other distant countries, but only, limitedly, to its immediate neighbors.
Armenia’s best option, perhaps, would be to make its peace with the Turkic world, but that would certainly be a hard sell, given the ever-fresh nationalist victimology and suffering of Armenians. To ask the Armenians to put aside their historical and current complaints is a big ask, especially when there is hardly any give from the Turkic side as well, with no acknowledgement of Armenian suffering and loss since the 1890s to now.

Posted by: Cabe | Sep 24 2023 16:33 utc | 59

@ Maracatu | Sep 24 2023 13:40 utc | 2
There are several relevant points about the Armenian situation. One is, what now becomes of the 120,000 Armenians of Nagorno Karabakh (Artsakh)? Some have speculated that they will stay under Azeri rule, but I doubt that. It is just like the flight of the French colons from Algeria in 1962; it was supposed many would stay, but almost none did, out of fear of reprisals. Never mind that the Armenians are an ancient, autochthonous population while the French were settler colonizers, because the fear of the losers leading to their flight is the same. Didn’t the news say that thousands had already gathered at Stepanakert airport to leave Karabakh? Didn’t the Armenian prime minister say to Armenia, “Prepare to receive 40,000 Armenian refugee families from Artsakh”? It looks like another total defeat for Armenia, with all the baggage that that brings.
Then there is the question you raise of Armenia’s potential realignment with the US. Armenia is enraged at Russia for not saving Armenian Karabakh, but it is also very displeased with the constant US and other western tilt in favor of Turkey and Azerbaijan, and of course no one but the Armenians has ever seriously taken up the cause of Artsakh, however much there might be hand-wringing over the fate of the Armenians there. Armenia’s desire to align with the West dates back to 1991 and before, even though the West has never brought it anything but grief and even though its only savior ever was the Soviet Union. Armenia’s pro-western desire comes from the huge Armenian diaspora there, and mainly from the expectation of economic betterment through membership in the capitalist world which was also the self-deception of all the other former communist countries, including Russia. Since Armenia was never able to get that alignment, its people still have not experienced what that would really mean, mainly further impoverishment, so they continue to hope for the cargo cult of capitalism to bring them goodies from the sky.
The US, for its part, will never embrace the Armenians’ agenda about their “lost lands” all around, because US relations with the Turkic world are worth more. Nevertheless, the Armenians might think the US at least would protect the internationally-recognized borders of their existing nation-state. However, Armenia does not have much to offer, as it has very little strategic or economic value. Landlocked, it doesn’t really lead anywhere. The alignment of Georgia with Azerbaijan and Turkey means that any highway from Central Asia to Turkey can simply go through Georgia, and the route through Iran is also open. The idea that a route is needed along the Araks River at the southern border of Armenia would in reality only benefit Azerbaijan by linking it directly to its exclave of Nakhchivan, and maybe also providing a more direct link for Turkey to Azerbaijan. Conversely, because Armenia butts up against Georgia and shares no border with Russia, it does not offer any corridor for Russia to connect with Iran. So, contrary to what media usually say, Armenia has almost no strategic importance or value, neither to the US or to any other distant countries, but only, limitedly, to its immediate neighbors.
Armenia’s best option, perhaps, would be to make its peace with the Turkic world, but that would certainly be a hard sell, given the ever-fresh nationalist victimology and suffering of Armenians. To ask the Armenians to put aside their historical and current complaints is a big ask, especially when there is hardly any give from the Turkic side as well, with no acknowledgement of Armenian suffering and loss since the 1890s to now.

Posted by: Cabe | Sep 24 2023 16:33 utc | 60

Hi again James et al. b I appreciate the gracious service you provide here and will keep this short.
James I’ve determined we could host a web site that could not be taken down in order to host all this. Built-in VPN/TOR, encryption and distributed data storage.
It’s doable. Call it a mission. I even have a catchy slogan!
“Peace, Freedom and Democracy in that Order”
But read it carefully. Note the caps. This is extremely problematic.
Preliminary research suggests the 50% of humanity lean fascist. Think about it. Generally I release software… in this case ‘unleash’ might be a better word.
This is the right place to discuss ideology in context to emerging technology.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 24 2023 16:37 utc | 61

Hi again James et al. b I appreciate the gracious service you provide here and will keep this short.
James I’ve determined we could host a web site that could not be taken down in order to host all this. Built-in VPN/TOR, encryption and distributed data storage.
It’s doable. Call it a mission. I even have a catchy slogan!
“Peace, Freedom and Democracy in that Order”
But read it carefully. Note the caps. This is extremely problematic.
Preliminary research suggests the 50% of humanity lean fascist. Think about it. Generally I release software… in this case ‘unleash’ might be a better word.
This is the right place to discuss ideology in context to emerging technology.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 24 2023 16:37 utc | 62

Regarding “Feminism and Icebergs” — a link to wretchedly wonderful corporate folklore. I can’t believe some of the utter crap people devoted to ignorance have time to read, around here. The unsubtle subtext, just beneath the surface, carries the joke that woke feminists are either lesbians or frigid icebergs. What a coup for ignorance! Getting great yucks ridiculing ecofeminism and making fun of climate science at the same time.
This at a serious time for humanity, a time when we see initial confirmation that Earth’s methane feedback is well underway:
Atmospheric Methane: Comparison Between Methane’s Record in 2006–2022 and During Glacial Terminations
This important paper finds that most of the recent increase in atmospheric methane comes from “wetland feedbacks.” Feedbacks already outweigh direct emissions of methane. It really is a turning point, indicating that direct emissions could stop entirely, and such feedbacks would continue mounting. This is how an irreversible runaway starts.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 24 2023 16:38 utc | 63

Regarding “Feminism and Icebergs” — a link to wretchedly wonderful corporate folklore. I can’t believe some of the utter crap people devoted to ignorance have time to read, around here. The unsubtle subtext, just beneath the surface, carries the joke that woke feminists are either lesbians or frigid icebergs. What a coup for ignorance! Getting great yucks ridiculing ecofeminism and making fun of climate science at the same time.
This at a serious time for humanity, a time when we see initial confirmation that Earth’s methane feedback is well underway:
Atmospheric Methane: Comparison Between Methane’s Record in 2006–2022 and During Glacial Terminations
This important paper finds that most of the recent increase in atmospheric methane comes from “wetland feedbacks.” Feedbacks already outweigh direct emissions of methane. It really is a turning point, indicating that direct emissions could stop entirely, and such feedbacks would continue mounting. This is how an irreversible runaway starts.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 24 2023 16:38 utc | 64

Re (non)spy balloon stupidity, the US had spy balloons in the 1940s. They went out with zoot suits and Victrolas. Spy planes like the U-2 came into use in the 1950s. Now China, the US, everybody else has spy satellites! Too bad Biden and Blinken et al. aren’t mentally in the present!

Posted by: lester | Sep 24 2023 16:58 utc | 65

Re (non)spy balloon stupidity, the US had spy balloons in the 1940s. They went out with zoot suits and Victrolas. Spy planes like the U-2 came into use in the 1950s. Now China, the US, everybody else has spy satellites! Too bad Biden and Blinken et al. aren’t mentally in the present!

Posted by: lester | Sep 24 2023 16:58 utc | 66

b has decided not to cover Armenian events, so I’ll step in.

Posted by: S | Sep 24 2023 17:00 utc | 67

b has decided not to cover Armenian events, so I’ll step in.

Posted by: S | Sep 24 2023 17:00 utc | 68

Thank you, b; happy Sunday! I have a lovely poem for us all this morning!

Cana
“This beginning of miracles did Jesus
in Cana of Galilee.”

Once when our eyes were clean as noon, our rooms
filled with the joys of Cana’s feast:
For Jesus came, and His disciples, and His Mother,
And after them the singers
And some men with violins.
Once when our minds were Galilees,
And clean as skies our faces,
Our simple rooms were charmed with sun.
Our thoughts went in and out in whiter coats than God’s
disciples’
In Cana’s crowded rooms, at Cana’s tables.
Nor did we seem to fear the wine would fail:
For ready, in a row, to fill with water and a miracle,
We saw our earthen vessels, waiting empty.
What wine those humble waterjars fortell!
Wine for the ones who, bended to the dirty earth,
Have feared, since lovely Eden, the sun’s fire,
Yet hardly mumble, in their dusty mouths, one prayer.
Wine for old Adam, digging in the briars!
THOMAS MERTON

Posted by: juliania | Sep 24 2023 17:04 utc | 69

Thank you, b; happy Sunday! I have a lovely poem for us all this morning!

Cana
“This beginning of miracles did Jesus
in Cana of Galilee.”

Once when our eyes were clean as noon, our rooms
filled with the joys of Cana’s feast:
For Jesus came, and His disciples, and His Mother,
And after them the singers
And some men with violins.
Once when our minds were Galilees,
And clean as skies our faces,
Our simple rooms were charmed with sun.
Our thoughts went in and out in whiter coats than God’s
disciples’
In Cana’s crowded rooms, at Cana’s tables.
Nor did we seem to fear the wine would fail:
For ready, in a row, to fill with water and a miracle,
We saw our earthen vessels, waiting empty.
What wine those humble waterjars fortell!
Wine for the ones who, bended to the dirty earth,
Have feared, since lovely Eden, the sun’s fire,
Yet hardly mumble, in their dusty mouths, one prayer.
Wine for old Adam, digging in the briars!
THOMAS MERTON

Posted by: juliania | Sep 24 2023 17:04 utc | 70

First, an excerpt from an interview with Aleksandr Krylov, Doctor of Sciences in Historical Sciences, Chief Researcher at the Primakov Institute of World Economy and International Relations of the Russian Academy of Sciences:
Lessons of Cilician and Western Armenia (Golos Armenii, Zara Gevorkyan, September 11, 2023 — in Russian)

Gevorkyan: Today much is being said and written about the West’s desire to oust Russia from the South Caucasus. How do you see this process?
Krylov: It is obvious that, 3 years after the end of the 44-day war, the region again found itself on the brink of a new war. The method proposed by Russia to stabilize the situation did not materialize; in this regard, Western diplomacy achieved complete success. The current situation is extremely tense, and there is no tendency towards reconciliation. Armenia is seeking to find allies and new sources of arms supplies, including from India, while Azerbaijan is relying on a military solution to the problem.
What is symptomatic is how Turkey and Azerbaijan see the future of the South Caucasus, and here there are certain differences between them. Turkey created the structures of the “Geycha-Zangezur Republic”—a project according to which part of Armenia (the Zangezur region, Lake Sevan) would go to Turkey, and the rest of the territory of Armenia they were ready to give to Azerbaijan. But Azerbaijan did not agree with this, and is actively promoting its “Western Azerbaijan” plan, which implies the absorption of all of Armenia by Azerbaijan. And Turkey agreed with this—the above-mentioned structures of the “Geycha-Zangezur Republic” were dissolved. One way or another, the point is that Turkey and Azerbaijan consider as real the prospects of establishing control over those territories of Armenia they consider their own.
Gevorkyan: But they consider the entire Armenia to be their own, and this is being expressed, in particular, in Baku, at the state level, broadcast on government media…
Krylov: Absolutely right—all of Armenia. If Armenia is deprived of security guarantees, if further processes begin to weaken its relations with the CSTO and Russia and conditions are created for replacing Russian security guarantees with U.S. ones, and we see that everything is heading towards this (there are a lot of statements in this regard, and specific actions, including announced Armenian–U.S. maneuvers on Armenian territory), then the situation will very quickly become unpredictable.
Here we can remember the historical lessons of 1920. There was Cilician Armenia, the French promised the local Armenians that they would protect them and guarantee their safety. By the way, after the pogroms of 1915, part of the local Armenian population left their homes, fled, and then they returned under French security guarantees…
Gevorkyan: And then?
Krylov: And then France concluded its treaties with the Turkish Republic, and the most vile thing in all this policy was that the French withdrew at night, without even warning their Armenian allies that they were leaving. As a result, there was a repeat massacre in Cilician Armenia and today there is no longer an Armenian population in Cilician Armenia. There once was Cilician Armenia, there was also Western Armenia, and the Entente powers also promised to guarantee its security. The end result is that neither Armenia actually exists now. What remained was Eastern Armenia, which became part of Soviet Russia, and this happened with difficulties as well, because the authorities there also associated the future of the country with the Entente. But the Red Army came, and as a result, the Entente left in 1920, leaving, by the way, the Armenian army that was fighting the Turks to the mercy of fate. When, in fulfillment of the terms of the Treaty of Versailles, the Armenians launched an offensive in Western Armenia, their Western allies pretended that this did not concern them. They betrayed the Greeks in the same way. Therefore, the arrival of the Red Army in the Caucasus was salvation then; otherwise, Eastern Armenia would have repeated the fate of Cilician Armenia and Western Armenia. The fact that the Armenian state survived was thanks to its inclusion in Soviet Russia.
And then we see that the period of existence of the Armenian Soviet Republic became one of the most fruitful and safe periods in the history of Armenia. Although there were tragic events, repressions, the Great Patriotic War, and many losses. Nevertheless, at that time there was no threat of physical destruction of the Armenian nation, the local Armenian population—what happened in Western Armenia, in Cilician Armenia.

Posted by: S | Sep 24 2023 17:06 utc | 71

First, an excerpt from an interview with Aleksandr Krylov, Doctor of Sciences in Historical Sciences, Chief Researcher at the Primakov Institute of World Economy and International Relations of the Russian Academy of Sciences:
Lessons of Cilician and Western Armenia (Golos Armenii, Zara Gevorkyan, September 11, 2023 — in Russian)

Gevorkyan: Today much is being said and written about the West’s desire to oust Russia from the South Caucasus. How do you see this process?
Krylov: It is obvious that, 3 years after the end of the 44-day war, the region again found itself on the brink of a new war. The method proposed by Russia to stabilize the situation did not materialize; in this regard, Western diplomacy achieved complete success. The current situation is extremely tense, and there is no tendency towards reconciliation. Armenia is seeking to find allies and new sources of arms supplies, including from India, while Azerbaijan is relying on a military solution to the problem.
What is symptomatic is how Turkey and Azerbaijan see the future of the South Caucasus, and here there are certain differences between them. Turkey created the structures of the “Geycha-Zangezur Republic”—a project according to which part of Armenia (the Zangezur region, Lake Sevan) would go to Turkey, and the rest of the territory of Armenia they were ready to give to Azerbaijan. But Azerbaijan did not agree with this, and is actively promoting its “Western Azerbaijan” plan, which implies the absorption of all of Armenia by Azerbaijan. And Turkey agreed with this—the above-mentioned structures of the “Geycha-Zangezur Republic” were dissolved. One way or another, the point is that Turkey and Azerbaijan consider as real the prospects of establishing control over those territories of Armenia they consider their own.
Gevorkyan: But they consider the entire Armenia to be their own, and this is being expressed, in particular, in Baku, at the state level, broadcast on government media…
Krylov: Absolutely right—all of Armenia. If Armenia is deprived of security guarantees, if further processes begin to weaken its relations with the CSTO and Russia and conditions are created for replacing Russian security guarantees with U.S. ones, and we see that everything is heading towards this (there are a lot of statements in this regard, and specific actions, including announced Armenian–U.S. maneuvers on Armenian territory), then the situation will very quickly become unpredictable.
Here we can remember the historical lessons of 1920. There was Cilician Armenia, the French promised the local Armenians that they would protect them and guarantee their safety. By the way, after the pogroms of 1915, part of the local Armenian population left their homes, fled, and then they returned under French security guarantees…
Gevorkyan: And then?
Krylov: And then France concluded its treaties with the Turkish Republic, and the most vile thing in all this policy was that the French withdrew at night, without even warning their Armenian allies that they were leaving. As a result, there was a repeat massacre in Cilician Armenia and today there is no longer an Armenian population in Cilician Armenia. There once was Cilician Armenia, there was also Western Armenia, and the Entente powers also promised to guarantee its security. The end result is that neither Armenia actually exists now. What remained was Eastern Armenia, which became part of Soviet Russia, and this happened with difficulties as well, because the authorities there also associated the future of the country with the Entente. But the Red Army came, and as a result, the Entente left in 1920, leaving, by the way, the Armenian army that was fighting the Turks to the mercy of fate. When, in fulfillment of the terms of the Treaty of Versailles, the Armenians launched an offensive in Western Armenia, their Western allies pretended that this did not concern them. They betrayed the Greeks in the same way. Therefore, the arrival of the Red Army in the Caucasus was salvation then; otherwise, Eastern Armenia would have repeated the fate of Cilician Armenia and Western Armenia. The fact that the Armenian state survived was thanks to its inclusion in Soviet Russia.
And then we see that the period of existence of the Armenian Soviet Republic became one of the most fruitful and safe periods in the history of Armenia. Although there were tragic events, repressions, the Great Patriotic War, and many losses. Nevertheless, at that time there was no threat of physical destruction of the Armenian nation, the local Armenian population—what happened in Western Armenia, in Cilician Armenia.

Posted by: S | Sep 24 2023 17:06 utc | 72

Second, an excerpt from a 2020 interview with Russian Armenian political scientist and historian Andranik Migranyan:
“Pashinyan’s task was to surrender Karabakh” (MK, Marina Perevozkina, November 11, 2020 — in Russian)


Perevozkina: But the situation at the front was really bad and, it seems, there was no other way out…
Migranyan: And who created this situation? In Armenia, everyone who is not zombified by this velvet revolution and Pashinyan believes that this is a total betrayal. Simply a surrender. This man, many years ago, while in opposition, wrote that no one needs this Karabakh, it must be surrendered and forgotten. Because he was Levon Ter-Petrosyan’s henchman, and this was Ter-Petrosyan’s plan. To surrender Karabakh and resolve other issues.
Perevozkina: Which ones?
Migranyan: At the time, Strobe Talbott (former U.S. Deputy Secretary of State — MK) offered Ter-Petrosyan gas pipelines, oil pipelines through Armenia, lifting the blockade, investments. Just surrender it. That’s why Ter-Petrosyan’s formula was: “Karabakh is de facto independent, but de jure part of Azerbaijan.” That’s why he was forced to resign from his position.

Levon Ter-Petrosyan was the first President of Armenia, in office from November 11, 1991 to February 3, 1998.

Posted by: S | Sep 24 2023 17:21 utc | 73

Second, an excerpt from a 2020 interview with Russian Armenian political scientist and historian Andranik Migranyan:
“Pashinyan’s task was to surrender Karabakh” (MK, Marina Perevozkina, November 11, 2020 — in Russian)


Perevozkina: But the situation at the front was really bad and, it seems, there was no other way out…
Migranyan: And who created this situation? In Armenia, everyone who is not zombified by this velvet revolution and Pashinyan believes that this is a total betrayal. Simply a surrender. This man, many years ago, while in opposition, wrote that no one needs this Karabakh, it must be surrendered and forgotten. Because he was Levon Ter-Petrosyan’s henchman, and this was Ter-Petrosyan’s plan. To surrender Karabakh and resolve other issues.
Perevozkina: Which ones?
Migranyan: At the time, Strobe Talbott (former U.S. Deputy Secretary of State — MK) offered Ter-Petrosyan gas pipelines, oil pipelines through Armenia, lifting the blockade, investments. Just surrender it. That’s why Ter-Petrosyan’s formula was: “Karabakh is de facto independent, but de jure part of Azerbaijan.” That’s why he was forced to resign from his position.

Levon Ter-Petrosyan was the first President of Armenia, in office from November 11, 1991 to February 3, 1998.

Posted by: S | Sep 24 2023 17:21 utc | 74

Here’s a detailed overview of Canada’s welcoming of Nazis today and after World War II.
https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1705810843827364199?t=HxDaFDHKuj6LX2sW5_5l5A&s=19

Ezra Levant
7. Can that really be true?
Did Justin Trudeau really invite a
Nazi SS soldier from the Second
World War to Parliament as an
honoured guest?
Please tell me I’ve got a fact
wrong here.
CC. @LevittMichael
@AHousefather @mgeist
@CIJAinfo @bnaibrithcanada

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 24 2023 17:23 utc | 75

Here’s a detailed overview of Canada’s welcoming of Nazis today and after World War II.
https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1705810843827364199?t=HxDaFDHKuj6LX2sW5_5l5A&s=19

Ezra Levant
7. Can that really be true?
Did Justin Trudeau really invite a
Nazi SS soldier from the Second
World War to Parliament as an
honoured guest?
Please tell me I’ve got a fact
wrong here.
CC. @LevittMichael
@AHousefather @mgeist
@CIJAinfo @bnaibrithcanada

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 24 2023 17:23 utc | 76

Again, thank you b, for the Gordon Hahn essay, beautifully presented.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 24 2023 17:24 utc | 77

Again, thank you b, for the Gordon Hahn essay, beautifully presented.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 24 2023 17:24 utc | 78

What the scene in the Canadian parliament demonstrated is that Holocaust Denial, in its most virulent form, now dominates our politics.
And, in this case I suspect that its Liberal roots are very deep, going back not only to Mackenzie King but also to Pierre Trudeau and the right wing of Quebec nationalism which, influenced by the ultramontane Catholic Church, saw the Nazis as preferable to the Reds and no worse than the British dominating their province.
In immediate political terms what we saw in Ottawa was enthusiasm for the resumption of Operation Barbarossa which had precisely the same strategic objectives as the current war, which can only be understood as having arisen from years of Canadian originating provocations going back to at least 2004.
The government has spent billions of dollars on this operation, designed to ensure the long term interests of Canada’s ruling class as junior but equal partners in the Empire, a position that it has occupied since the country’s emergence in 1867 as the British Empire’s first “Dominion”.
In terms of Canadian politics it is notable that this underwriting of the bottomless pit of Ukrainian public finance takes place at a time when every level of government is pleading poverty as inflation bites into the living standards of, most notably, the poor and marginalised. This is a class situation in which hungry, homeless people are being urged to tighten their belts for the sacred cause of a particularly ugly form of fadcism in Ukraine.
One thing that we have not seen in the past eighteen months is any evidence that Ottawa is even attempting to use its leverage in Kiev to control the ugliest behaviour of its clients. To wit: the torture, including castration of Russian POWs, the beating of Russian speakers, the banning of political parties, the closing of all media not under the control of the State and the widespread assassination of critics and dissidents.
Suffice it to say that any accusations made against Modi’s government abroad pale in comparison with Kiev’s targeted killings of journalists and simple supporters of Russian language rights in Ukraine.
To undersyans what Ottawa is supporting this link of b’s should be followed.
The History of Fascism in Ukraine Part I: The Origins of the OUN 1917-1941 Part II, Part III – Internationalist 360
It is not a short story but it is an exceedingly nasty one- the story of Serial Killing as a form of politics.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 17:30 utc | 79

What the scene in the Canadian parliament demonstrated is that Holocaust Denial, in its most virulent form, now dominates our politics.
And, in this case I suspect that its Liberal roots are very deep, going back not only to Mackenzie King but also to Pierre Trudeau and the right wing of Quebec nationalism which, influenced by the ultramontane Catholic Church, saw the Nazis as preferable to the Reds and no worse than the British dominating their province.
In immediate political terms what we saw in Ottawa was enthusiasm for the resumption of Operation Barbarossa which had precisely the same strategic objectives as the current war, which can only be understood as having arisen from years of Canadian originating provocations going back to at least 2004.
The government has spent billions of dollars on this operation, designed to ensure the long term interests of Canada’s ruling class as junior but equal partners in the Empire, a position that it has occupied since the country’s emergence in 1867 as the British Empire’s first “Dominion”.
In terms of Canadian politics it is notable that this underwriting of the bottomless pit of Ukrainian public finance takes place at a time when every level of government is pleading poverty as inflation bites into the living standards of, most notably, the poor and marginalised. This is a class situation in which hungry, homeless people are being urged to tighten their belts for the sacred cause of a particularly ugly form of fadcism in Ukraine.
One thing that we have not seen in the past eighteen months is any evidence that Ottawa is even attempting to use its leverage in Kiev to control the ugliest behaviour of its clients. To wit: the torture, including castration of Russian POWs, the beating of Russian speakers, the banning of political parties, the closing of all media not under the control of the State and the widespread assassination of critics and dissidents.
Suffice it to say that any accusations made against Modi’s government abroad pale in comparison with Kiev’s targeted killings of journalists and simple supporters of Russian language rights in Ukraine.
To undersyans what Ottawa is supporting this link of b’s should be followed.
The History of Fascism in Ukraine Part I: The Origins of the OUN 1917-1941 Part II, Part III – Internationalist 360
It is not a short story but it is an exceedingly nasty one- the story of Serial Killing as a form of politics.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 17:30 utc | 80

S | Sep 24 2023 17:06 utc | 36–
So, we have a renewal of events that were never solved 100 years ago. The Cradle offers this article, “Russia’s reluctance to secure an indecisive Armenia will weaken both”. I’ve also followed the current happenings and have watched this conflict since it arose during Soviet times. When I first saw the geography and ethnic distribution, I knew this would become an almost unsolvable problem without moving a whole lot of people around. The map provided in the linked article is very instructive for those unfamiliar. The very longstanding ethnic animosities run very deep and make a just solution close to impossible. IMO, no external actors will be able to forge a solution, which as Russia has said over and over that the two parties must come to an agreement AND uphold it. So far, neither has done so, thus the continuation of hostilities.
Armenia is clearly weaker and cannot afford a war. Its big and affluent diaspora within the Outlaw US Empire urges war but doesn’t have any skin in the game being well removed physically. Its noises need to be shunned. Will NATO try to take advantage? It might, but it will find itself facing the same intractable issues Russia faces. And we’ve all seen that NATO weapons are no match for Soviet or Russian, so that’s no solution. Given rapidly growing EU dependency on Azerbaijan’s energy exports, I rather doubt EU/NATO will side with Armenia.
It appears the only real solution is for Armenia to accept its fate and make the best of a very bad situation as it’s stuck with its geography and its neighbors.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2023 17:51 utc | 81

S | Sep 24 2023 17:06 utc | 36–
So, we have a renewal of events that were never solved 100 years ago. The Cradle offers this article, “Russia’s reluctance to secure an indecisive Armenia will weaken both”. I’ve also followed the current happenings and have watched this conflict since it arose during Soviet times. When I first saw the geography and ethnic distribution, I knew this would become an almost unsolvable problem without moving a whole lot of people around. The map provided in the linked article is very instructive for those unfamiliar. The very longstanding ethnic animosities run very deep and make a just solution close to impossible. IMO, no external actors will be able to forge a solution, which as Russia has said over and over that the two parties must come to an agreement AND uphold it. So far, neither has done so, thus the continuation of hostilities.
Armenia is clearly weaker and cannot afford a war. Its big and affluent diaspora within the Outlaw US Empire urges war but doesn’t have any skin in the game being well removed physically. Its noises need to be shunned. Will NATO try to take advantage? It might, but it will find itself facing the same intractable issues Russia faces. And we’ve all seen that NATO weapons are no match for Soviet or Russian, so that’s no solution. Given rapidly growing EU dependency on Azerbaijan’s energy exports, I rather doubt EU/NATO will side with Armenia.
It appears the only real solution is for Armenia to accept its fate and make the best of a very bad situation as it’s stuck with its geography and its neighbors.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2023 17:51 utc | 82

RT has this interesting tid-bit, “US government stopped me from interviewing Putin – Tucker Carlson: The former Fox News host has questioned why ‘you’re not allowed to hear’ the Russian president’s voice.”
It continues:

Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson has alleged in a recent interview that unnamed figures in Washington obstructed his attempts to interview Russian president Vladimir Putin.
“I tried to interview Vladimir Putin, and the US government stopped me,” Carlson claimed in an interview with Swiss publication Die Weltwoche published on Thursday. He also explained that he felt let down by the lack of support for his situation that he says he received from US news media.
He said: “I don’t think there was anybody who said ‘wait a second. I may not like this guy but he has a right to interview anyone he wants, and we have a right to hear what Putin says’.” The 54-year-old added: “You’re not allowed to hear Putin’s voice. Because why? There was no vote on it. No one asked me.”

And some people wonder why I provide as much about Putin and Russia as I can.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2023 18:00 utc | 83

RT has this interesting tid-bit, “US government stopped me from interviewing Putin – Tucker Carlson: The former Fox News host has questioned why ‘you’re not allowed to hear’ the Russian president’s voice.”
It continues:

Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson has alleged in a recent interview that unnamed figures in Washington obstructed his attempts to interview Russian president Vladimir Putin.
“I tried to interview Vladimir Putin, and the US government stopped me,” Carlson claimed in an interview with Swiss publication Die Weltwoche published on Thursday. He also explained that he felt let down by the lack of support for his situation that he says he received from US news media.
He said: “I don’t think there was anybody who said ‘wait a second. I may not like this guy but he has a right to interview anyone he wants, and we have a right to hear what Putin says’.” The 54-year-old added: “You’re not allowed to hear Putin’s voice. Because why? There was no vote on it. No one asked me.”

And some people wonder why I provide as much about Putin and Russia as I can.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2023 18:00 utc | 84

More from RT today: “US planning military base in disputed territory – Venezuela: Washington wants to take control of oil resources in the contested Guayana Esequiba area, Caracas’ foreign minister says.”
More:

Washington is looking to set up a military base in the Guayana Esequiba area, which is contested by Venezuela and Guyana, the former’s foreign minister has claimed.
In a speech to the UN General Assembly on Saturday, Yvan Gil said the US considers itself “the sovereign” of Latin America, and is now intervening in the more than 200-year-old territorial dispute between Caracas and Georgetown.
“The US government seeks to appropriate our oil resources by using the company Exxon Mobil, which has incorporated the government of Guyana into its ranks,” he said.
Guayana Esequiba is rich in oil and gas, especially in offshore areas. In recent years, exploration in the disputed territory has been dominated by an Exxon-led consortium, which has received a drilling license from Georgetown. Last week, Guyana held another offshore oil bidding round, receiving applications from Exxon Mobil, Total Energies and other firms.
Guyana is acting “in total violation of international law” by granting those oil permits, the Venezuelan diplomat said. “Unilateral disposal of a disputed territory isn’t permissible, but the government of Guyana persists in its illegal conduct,” he insisted.

There’s more at the article. IMO, this is a very important situation as if the Empire gets a beachhead in Guyana, it will be very hard to oust, and Venezuela will need to further arm itself in preparation for war. The Empire intends to replace its exhausted oil and gas sources with as many as it can occupy in the Western Hemisphere.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2023 18:14 utc | 85

More from RT today: “US planning military base in disputed territory – Venezuela: Washington wants to take control of oil resources in the contested Guayana Esequiba area, Caracas’ foreign minister says.”
More:

Washington is looking to set up a military base in the Guayana Esequiba area, which is contested by Venezuela and Guyana, the former’s foreign minister has claimed.
In a speech to the UN General Assembly on Saturday, Yvan Gil said the US considers itself “the sovereign” of Latin America, and is now intervening in the more than 200-year-old territorial dispute between Caracas and Georgetown.
“The US government seeks to appropriate our oil resources by using the company Exxon Mobil, which has incorporated the government of Guyana into its ranks,” he said.
Guayana Esequiba is rich in oil and gas, especially in offshore areas. In recent years, exploration in the disputed territory has been dominated by an Exxon-led consortium, which has received a drilling license from Georgetown. Last week, Guyana held another offshore oil bidding round, receiving applications from Exxon Mobil, Total Energies and other firms.
Guyana is acting “in total violation of international law” by granting those oil permits, the Venezuelan diplomat said. “Unilateral disposal of a disputed territory isn’t permissible, but the government of Guyana persists in its illegal conduct,” he insisted.

There’s more at the article. IMO, this is a very important situation as if the Empire gets a beachhead in Guyana, it will be very hard to oust, and Venezuela will need to further arm itself in preparation for war. The Empire intends to replace its exhausted oil and gas sources with as many as it can occupy in the Western Hemisphere.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2023 18:14 utc | 86

Is ignorance bliss? was asked on another recent thread at MoA. I shall try to provide an answer.
In short, I believe that No; ignorance is just ignorance. Here’s the argument:
(1) Assume that you have knowledge on various evils in the world. By wishing it was not so, you are making a statement about a non-reality, as basically you’re now denying your own premise (that true evils are present).- Note: this is akin to using Vernunft (translating as ability to reason) as a means to show Vernunft is useless.
(2) Now assume you are not in possession of the above specific knowledge on evils. You then cannot decide on the reality of such evils, provided you even somehow develop the notion that they might be real. Seen from a third person view as in (1), this is ignorance, but points 1+2 are mutually exclusive, hence ignorance doesn’t apply.
(3) A third case is more natural: assume that you are living somehow reclused, like, as an example, the Kogi tribe in America. Now you are aware of a larger world out there, physically and knowledge-wise, but decide to remain ignorant yet sufficiently blissful. This decision must (in principle) be weighed and reasoned, so technically I’d argue that this is not real ignorance, but acknowledgement of unexplored spaces; precisely what Donald Rumsfeld termed the “known unknowns”, while (2) deals with the “unknown unknowns” of our problem.
(4) Now comes the tricky part. How can you decide if a situation 3 is actually fair, or already ignorant? For one, I would argue that there is some basic responsibilty for those around you (and including nature/Terra). Other teachings, like the notion of a personal Karma, are on the record, and of course many never ask themselves this question; perhaps because it leads straight into another riddle, as you will then have to deal with your limited ability to “tidy the world from evil” (borrowing from a Zoroastrian notion here). In any case, man is an irritable being, as his mind wanders etc, and this can be made into another, very strong argument to aim at reduction of ignorance. In the words of Edmund Husserl, who’s closely paraphrasing an idea of Kant: “I must achieve internal consistency!” This means, of course, that ignorance cannot provide true bliss

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 24 2023 18:18 utc | 87

Is ignorance bliss? was asked on another recent thread at MoA. I shall try to provide an answer.
In short, I believe that No; ignorance is just ignorance. Here’s the argument:
(1) Assume that you have knowledge on various evils in the world. By wishing it was not so, you are making a statement about a non-reality, as basically you’re now denying your own premise (that true evils are present).- Note: this is akin to using Vernunft (translating as ability to reason) as a means to show Vernunft is useless.
(2) Now assume you are not in possession of the above specific knowledge on evils. You then cannot decide on the reality of such evils, provided you even somehow develop the notion that they might be real. Seen from a third person view as in (1), this is ignorance, but points 1+2 are mutually exclusive, hence ignorance doesn’t apply.
(3) A third case is more natural: assume that you are living somehow reclused, like, as an example, the Kogi tribe in America. Now you are aware of a larger world out there, physically and knowledge-wise, but decide to remain ignorant yet sufficiently blissful. This decision must (in principle) be weighed and reasoned, so technically I’d argue that this is not real ignorance, but acknowledgement of unexplored spaces; precisely what Donald Rumsfeld termed the “known unknowns”, while (2) deals with the “unknown unknowns” of our problem.
(4) Now comes the tricky part. How can you decide if a situation 3 is actually fair, or already ignorant? For one, I would argue that there is some basic responsibilty for those around you (and including nature/Terra). Other teachings, like the notion of a personal Karma, are on the record, and of course many never ask themselves this question; perhaps because it leads straight into another riddle, as you will then have to deal with your limited ability to “tidy the world from evil” (borrowing from a Zoroastrian notion here). In any case, man is an irritable being, as his mind wanders etc, and this can be made into another, very strong argument to aim at reduction of ignorance. In the words of Edmund Husserl, who’s closely paraphrasing an idea of Kant: “I must achieve internal consistency!” This means, of course, that ignorance cannot provide true bliss

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 24 2023 18:18 utc | 88

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/understanding-the-civil-war/#comment-6168722
believe me most southern Americans will find this article highly informative and it will likely reverse their understanding of the South and its civil war.
Lincoln wanted to protect slavery,, and the war was to deny the south their constitutional right to withdraw from the USA.
Lincoln’s interest in putting down the south was about forcing the south to pay, in the form of a tariff, for the development of the British industrial north..
so did Lincoln free the slaves in hopes that they would join the yanks against the south?
In another article I read (C/n find it just now) Czarist Russia posted ships off both the East coast and the West coast to prevent the North from invading or barricading the South. Until the above article I did not know why?

Posted by: snake | Sep 24 2023 18:25 utc | 89

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/understanding-the-civil-war/#comment-6168722
believe me most southern Americans will find this article highly informative and it will likely reverse their understanding of the South and its civil war.
Lincoln wanted to protect slavery,, and the war was to deny the south their constitutional right to withdraw from the USA.
Lincoln’s interest in putting down the south was about forcing the south to pay, in the form of a tariff, for the development of the British industrial north..
so did Lincoln free the slaves in hopes that they would join the yanks against the south?
In another article I read (C/n find it just now) Czarist Russia posted ships off both the East coast and the West coast to prevent the North from invading or barricading the South. Until the above article I did not know why?

Posted by: snake | Sep 24 2023 18:25 utc | 90

That “Gaius Baltard”/Sonar21 “What is wrong with the Political class” article is shallow and pedantic.
Everything he ascribes to his frothingly inept analysis of “narcissism” is far more directly attributable to “unscrupulous/immoral love of money”. Although I will grant that in a Capitalist system, narcissists will, in general, share that value, at root the thing that is eating up the collective west’s political class is not so much narcissism as it is financial capitalist capture of our political system—or, in other words, Capitalist (specifically, Corporate) corruption of every layer of governance.
“Gaius Baltar” must use the excuse of his phony pseudoscientific psycho-baloney to stop short from admitting this simple and obvious fact. Western political systems are bought and paid for by multimillionaire oligarchs and the (mostly Nazi) sympathetic genetic aristocracies that have allied with them.
The problem is our Oligarchs, who not only have money but also have familial and communal networks of associates who, based upon their mistaken faith in their own superiority—a sort of genuine narcissism—are able to choose our governments, regardless of public will; who can write laws to their own benefit, regardless of public need; and certainly, who can orchestrate mass slaughter—even of their own peoples—without any accountability, indeed, while having themselves lauded as “Patriots”, “Saviors”, and. “Statesmen” in the Corporate media.
I pity Gaius. He truly believes he understands, but he hasn’t grasped three fingers of it, all because he’s been programmed to be terrified of the words “Socialism”, and “Community”.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 24 2023 18:34 utc | 91

That “Gaius Baltard”/Sonar21 “What is wrong with the Political class” article is shallow and pedantic.
Everything he ascribes to his frothingly inept analysis of “narcissism” is far more directly attributable to “unscrupulous/immoral love of money”. Although I will grant that in a Capitalist system, narcissists will, in general, share that value, at root the thing that is eating up the collective west’s political class is not so much narcissism as it is financial capitalist capture of our political system—or, in other words, Capitalist (specifically, Corporate) corruption of every layer of governance.
“Gaius Baltar” must use the excuse of his phony pseudoscientific psycho-baloney to stop short from admitting this simple and obvious fact. Western political systems are bought and paid for by multimillionaire oligarchs and the (mostly Nazi) sympathetic genetic aristocracies that have allied with them.
The problem is our Oligarchs, who not only have money but also have familial and communal networks of associates who, based upon their mistaken faith in their own superiority—a sort of genuine narcissism—are able to choose our governments, regardless of public will; who can write laws to their own benefit, regardless of public need; and certainly, who can orchestrate mass slaughter—even of their own peoples—without any accountability, indeed, while having themselves lauded as “Patriots”, “Saviors”, and. “Statesmen” in the Corporate media.
I pity Gaius. He truly believes he understands, but he hasn’t grasped three fingers of it, all because he’s been programmed to be terrified of the words “Socialism”, and “Community”.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 24 2023 18:34 utc | 92

Third, a long piece by Russian Armenian political scientist Gevorg Mirzayan:
Karabakh suicide: Armenia violated the rules of survival for small states (Regnum, Gevorg Mirzayan, September 21, 2023 — in Russian)

On September 21, Armenia celebrates Independence Day. And, by coincidence, on this day the Armenians are surrendering Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan, having lost in the last, one-day war.
On the morning of September 21, the delegates of the Armenian population of Karabakh (meaning, the leaders of the unrecognized Republic of Artsakh) arrived in the Azerbaijani city of Yevlakh to meet with representatives of Baku, TASS reported.
According to the Azerbaijani news agency Trend, Karabakh representatives arrived accompanied by Russian military personnel from the peacekeeping force. The Azerbaijani side sent an invitation to the meeting in Yevlakh to the Stepanakert authorities at the height of the one-day war.
On September 20, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev’s assistant on foreign policy issues, Hikmet Hajiyev, said that Baku has prepared a plan for the socio-economic reintegration of the Armenian population of Nagorno-Karabakh.
The plan was the result of the fact that the authorities of the unrecognized Artsakh (another name is the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, NKR) accepted the conditions of Azerbaijan on the morning of the same day. Units of the Armed Forces of Armenia (whose presence is denied by Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan) will be withdrawn from the Russian peacekeepers deployment zone, the Artsakh Defense Army will be disbanded and disarmed, and its military equipment will be being disposed of.
Thus ends the history of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, which was proclaimed even before the collapse of the USSR, in September 1991, which won, with support from Armenia, the First Karabakh War of 1992–94, but was never recognized by any country in the world, including Armenia itself.
Breaking the rules
The NKR delegation in Yevlakh is negotiating with the Azerbaijani side on the terms of surrender and “reintegration” into Azerbaijan, however, with a high degree of probability, there will be no reintegration. There will be an exodus of tens of thousands of Armenians from their lands—of course, if Azerbaijan releases them.
“For many decades since the beginning of the 90s, there have been wars, surges of tension, clashes—but there have also been attempts to resolve the Karabakh issue diplomatically. The issue was discussed at length within various associations, the UN, the OSCE. Debates were held in the capitals of the countries participating in the Minsk Group on Nagorno-Karabakh. As always, military force and political cunning, demonstrated by Azerbaijan, and not Armenia, won,” international political scientist and expert at the Russian International Affairs Council Yelena Suponina told Regnum.
To some, the ending of the Karabakh drama will seem strange, even unfair. However, it is quite natural, experts say. The denouement was a completely logical consequence of the mistakes that Armenia has made over the past 30 years, and especially over the last five of them.
Exactly 32 years ago, on September 21, 1991, 99.5% of the population of the Armenian SSR voted in a referendum to secede from the Soviet Union and form an independent state. In 1994, for the first time in many centuries, the Armenians managed to expand the territory under their control—the residents of Nagorno-Karabakh, with the support of the Armenian army, were able to oust Azerbaijani troops from their lands, as well as from the territories surrounding Karabakh.
But the rules of geopolitics were still in force. Armenia was and remained a small state, which by all indicators of power (population, territory, natural resources) was inferior even to Azerbaijan, which was dreaming of revanche, not to mention its ally Turkey. And this meant that in order to preserve statehood, Armenia had to follow a clear set of rules developed by the Israelis (who found themselves in approximately the same situation in 1949).
The rules are very simple and can be listed briefly.
Total mobilization of society. Focus on economic growth. Search for sectors of the economy where big money can be made in restricted conditions (in the case of Armenia, a logistics semi-blockade was in effect).
Concentration of the diaspora on the development of the state. Demographic growth (including by stimulating the resettlement of compatriots). Technological development of the armed forces up to the creation of nuclear weapons as an absolute means of deterrence.
And, finally, complete, unconditional, unquestioning loyalty to the great power that provides security.
In reality, everything was different.
Armenia was never able to build an economic system—instead of a stable, developing model, a real oligarchy emerged. The republic was unable to overcome large-scale corruption, due to which representatives of the diaspora very quickly lost interest in investing in this country. And they began to spend money on the senseless and even to some extent humiliating lobbying of Western officials for their recognition of the fact of the 1915 Armenian Genocide.
These “investments” did not contribute in any way to the development of Armenia, nor to the influx of citizens there (the country was experiencing depopulation—the population decreased by 17% from 1991 to 2019), nor to strengthening the defense capability of Karabakh. The people of Karabakh met the Second Karabakh War in 2020 wearing the helmets they wore in the first.
Fighting with the ally
The only rule that was observed was not to spoil relations with the ally, Russia. And even that was enough to ensure safety.
But in 2018, as a result of the coup of the year, Nikol Pashinyan came to power. The new Armenian prime minister began to purposefully purge power of pro-Russian figures and set a course for a geopolitical divorce from Moscow.
Actually, this is why a campaign was launched in Armenia to discredit Russia, which “did not help defend Karabakh in 2020” (despite the fact that Armenia itself then refused to fight for the region), as well as the CSTO, “which did not protect Armenia in 2021–2022 during military conflicts with Azerbaijan” (despite the fact that Armenia did not even announce mobilization, refusing to fight with the Azerbaijanis who invaded the territory).
And this anti-Russian propaganda resonated with the Armenian society, part of which wanted to throw off the “Karabakh burden,” but at the same time blame someone else for it.
“Armenia, in principle, abandoned Karabakh a long time ago. Pashinyan was not going to provide assistance to Karabakh in 2020, and the population as a whole was not eager to do that. There are even sentiments like ‘serves you right, Artsakhians,’ ” writes Dmitriy Ofitserov-Belskiy, senior researcher at the Primakov Institute of World Economy and International Relations of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
The first reason, according to him, was that “people grew tired of the Karabakh clan, which had been dominating Armenian politics for many years.” And that’s true—for almost 20 years (from 1998 to 2018), the country was ruled by people from Karabakh, Robert Kocharyan and Serzh Sargsyan.
The second reason, according to Ofitserov-Belskiy, is that “the Karabakh people themselves are people with a slightly different mentality—tough, more prone to crime and, by the way, very pro-Russian.”
The point about crime is, of course, a myth—however, in general, it was true that the “Karabakh people” were very different in mentality from, let’s call them, the “Yerevan people.” For example, it is believed that they are more hardworking and persistent (hence the half-offensive, half-respectful expression “Karabakh donkey”—that is, a stubborn, hardworking, persistent person).
“Moscow’s guilt” and Tehran’s worries
During the current conflict, they are again trying to cast Russia as guilty—simply because there were Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh who “didn’t stop it.” And this despite the fact that Pashinyan directly stated his refusal to protect the Karabakh Armenians, and also made it clear that he was not interested in their fate at all.
Instead of following the trilateral Russian–Armenian–Azerbaijani plan to resolve the situation (and as a result of the stopped Second Karabakh War, Yerevan actually had a road map for settlement in its hands), Pashinyan ran to the West and at its negotiating platforms twice confirmed in writing that he recognizes Karabakh as the territory of Azerbaijan without any conditions.
This, in particular, was pointed out by the representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Mariya Zakharova.
“There is not a word in the text about the need to ensure the rights and safety of the inhabitants of the region… This became Yerevan’s final solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh issue. Why did Nikol Pashinyan and the Armenian authorities do it in this way, why did Paris and Brussels push official Yerevan to do this?” Zakharova asks rhetorical questions.
Now is the time to diplomatically formalize the new status quo in the region. “The status of the new regions needs to be recorded on paper, a peace agreement must be achieved between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and security guarantees must be accepted for the population of Nagorno-Karabakh,” reminds Yelena Suponina.
A number of external players will pursue their own interests. The Americans want to oust Russia, the Turks want to oust all external players from the region. And the Iranians want to prevent Turkish domination of the region.
“There is an opinion in the Iranian expert community (it sounds quite strong) that the Islamic Republic may ultimately turn out to be the losing side. An anti-Iranian alliance will strengthen near its borders, and its goal will be the Zangezur corridor. Let me remind you that this project, which presupposes the claims of Baku and Turkey to the Armenian Syunik (Zangezur), was called a ‘red line’ by Tehran many times,” international affairs expert Abbas Djuma explained to Regnum.
Russian humanitarian protection
Now that the end of the Karabakh conflict in favor of Azerbaijan has become an obvious fact that is changing the political alignment in Transcaucasia, Russia faces new challenges in this region, experts note.
In a situation where Pashinyan continues to be in power in Yerevan, Moscow does not have many tools to protect its interests (to ensure a stable South Caucasus and the presence of a Russian bridgehead in Armenia there).
It will not be possible to outbid Pashinyan or change his mind—and not only because he is strongly indoctrinated.
As Dmitriy Ofitserov-Belskiy reminds, Pashinyan is personally dependent on the West, because he understands that he will have to emigrate there in the future. Explaining to Armenians that abandoning Moscow will lead to the seizure of their country by the Turks is also not easy due to the fact that Moscow is bad at defending its interests using “soft power” tools.
“Our military diplomats work very well, as do peacekeepers. What we lack is ‘soft power.’ We didn’t have enough of it in the Ukraine, in Azerbaijan—everywhere,” reminds Yelena Suponina.
However, the tools still exist, experts believe. Both at the highest political level and at the humanitarian level.
First of all, we need to take care of the Karabakh refugees, if only because by bringing peacekeepers into Karabakh, Moscow assumed moral obligations. “Against the background of rumors about Pashinyan’s reluctance to accept refugees from Karabakh, I think it would be fair to provide refugees with the opportunity to obtain Russian citizenship in a simplified manner,” wrote State Duma deputy Yevgeniy Popov.
With this step, Moscow, according to experts, might solve several problems at once.
First, Russia will effectively shield itself from any accusations that it has “abandoned the Armenians it pledged to protect.” Secondly, it will demonstrate that it does not abandon its own. Yes, its own—Nagorno-Karabakh (along with Transnistria) is one of the most pro-Russian regions of the post-Soviet space. Thirdly, it will acquire several tens of thousands of new hardworking Christian citizens.

Posted by: S | Sep 24 2023 18:38 utc | 93

Third, a long piece by Russian Armenian political scientist Gevorg Mirzayan:
Karabakh suicide: Armenia violated the rules of survival for small states (Regnum, Gevorg Mirzayan, September 21, 2023 — in Russian)

On September 21, Armenia celebrates Independence Day. And, by coincidence, on this day the Armenians are surrendering Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan, having lost in the last, one-day war.
On the morning of September 21, the delegates of the Armenian population of Karabakh (meaning, the leaders of the unrecognized Republic of Artsakh) arrived in the Azerbaijani city of Yevlakh to meet with representatives of Baku, TASS reported.
According to the Azerbaijani news agency Trend, Karabakh representatives arrived accompanied by Russian military personnel from the peacekeeping force. The Azerbaijani side sent an invitation to the meeting in Yevlakh to the Stepanakert authorities at the height of the one-day war.
On September 20, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev’s assistant on foreign policy issues, Hikmet Hajiyev, said that Baku has prepared a plan for the socio-economic reintegration of the Armenian population of Nagorno-Karabakh.
The plan was the result of the fact that the authorities of the unrecognized Artsakh (another name is the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, NKR) accepted the conditions of Azerbaijan on the morning of the same day. Units of the Armed Forces of Armenia (whose presence is denied by Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan) will be withdrawn from the Russian peacekeepers deployment zone, the Artsakh Defense Army will be disbanded and disarmed, and its military equipment will be being disposed of.
Thus ends the history of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, which was proclaimed even before the collapse of the USSR, in September 1991, which won, with support from Armenia, the First Karabakh War of 1992–94, but was never recognized by any country in the world, including Armenia itself.
Breaking the rules
The NKR delegation in Yevlakh is negotiating with the Azerbaijani side on the terms of surrender and “reintegration” into Azerbaijan, however, with a high degree of probability, there will be no reintegration. There will be an exodus of tens of thousands of Armenians from their lands—of course, if Azerbaijan releases them.
“For many decades since the beginning of the 90s, there have been wars, surges of tension, clashes—but there have also been attempts to resolve the Karabakh issue diplomatically. The issue was discussed at length within various associations, the UN, the OSCE. Debates were held in the capitals of the countries participating in the Minsk Group on Nagorno-Karabakh. As always, military force and political cunning, demonstrated by Azerbaijan, and not Armenia, won,” international political scientist and expert at the Russian International Affairs Council Yelena Suponina told Regnum.
To some, the ending of the Karabakh drama will seem strange, even unfair. However, it is quite natural, experts say. The denouement was a completely logical consequence of the mistakes that Armenia has made over the past 30 years, and especially over the last five of them.
Exactly 32 years ago, on September 21, 1991, 99.5% of the population of the Armenian SSR voted in a referendum to secede from the Soviet Union and form an independent state. In 1994, for the first time in many centuries, the Armenians managed to expand the territory under their control—the residents of Nagorno-Karabakh, with the support of the Armenian army, were able to oust Azerbaijani troops from their lands, as well as from the territories surrounding Karabakh.
But the rules of geopolitics were still in force. Armenia was and remained a small state, which by all indicators of power (population, territory, natural resources) was inferior even to Azerbaijan, which was dreaming of revanche, not to mention its ally Turkey. And this meant that in order to preserve statehood, Armenia had to follow a clear set of rules developed by the Israelis (who found themselves in approximately the same situation in 1949).
The rules are very simple and can be listed briefly.
Total mobilization of society. Focus on economic growth. Search for sectors of the economy where big money can be made in restricted conditions (in the case of Armenia, a logistics semi-blockade was in effect).
Concentration of the diaspora on the development of the state. Demographic growth (including by stimulating the resettlement of compatriots). Technological development of the armed forces up to the creation of nuclear weapons as an absolute means of deterrence.
And, finally, complete, unconditional, unquestioning loyalty to the great power that provides security.
In reality, everything was different.
Armenia was never able to build an economic system—instead of a stable, developing model, a real oligarchy emerged. The republic was unable to overcome large-scale corruption, due to which representatives of the diaspora very quickly lost interest in investing in this country. And they began to spend money on the senseless and even to some extent humiliating lobbying of Western officials for their recognition of the fact of the 1915 Armenian Genocide.
These “investments” did not contribute in any way to the development of Armenia, nor to the influx of citizens there (the country was experiencing depopulation—the population decreased by 17% from 1991 to 2019), nor to strengthening the defense capability of Karabakh. The people of Karabakh met the Second Karabakh War in 2020 wearing the helmets they wore in the first.
Fighting with the ally
The only rule that was observed was not to spoil relations with the ally, Russia. And even that was enough to ensure safety.
But in 2018, as a result of the coup of the year, Nikol Pashinyan came to power. The new Armenian prime minister began to purposefully purge power of pro-Russian figures and set a course for a geopolitical divorce from Moscow.
Actually, this is why a campaign was launched in Armenia to discredit Russia, which “did not help defend Karabakh in 2020” (despite the fact that Armenia itself then refused to fight for the region), as well as the CSTO, “which did not protect Armenia in 2021–2022 during military conflicts with Azerbaijan” (despite the fact that Armenia did not even announce mobilization, refusing to fight with the Azerbaijanis who invaded the territory).
And this anti-Russian propaganda resonated with the Armenian society, part of which wanted to throw off the “Karabakh burden,” but at the same time blame someone else for it.
“Armenia, in principle, abandoned Karabakh a long time ago. Pashinyan was not going to provide assistance to Karabakh in 2020, and the population as a whole was not eager to do that. There are even sentiments like ‘serves you right, Artsakhians,’ ” writes Dmitriy Ofitserov-Belskiy, senior researcher at the Primakov Institute of World Economy and International Relations of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
The first reason, according to him, was that “people grew tired of the Karabakh clan, which had been dominating Armenian politics for many years.” And that’s true—for almost 20 years (from 1998 to 2018), the country was ruled by people from Karabakh, Robert Kocharyan and Serzh Sargsyan.
The second reason, according to Ofitserov-Belskiy, is that “the Karabakh people themselves are people with a slightly different mentality—tough, more prone to crime and, by the way, very pro-Russian.”
The point about crime is, of course, a myth—however, in general, it was true that the “Karabakh people” were very different in mentality from, let’s call them, the “Yerevan people.” For example, it is believed that they are more hardworking and persistent (hence the half-offensive, half-respectful expression “Karabakh donkey”—that is, a stubborn, hardworking, persistent person).
“Moscow’s guilt” and Tehran’s worries
During the current conflict, they are again trying to cast Russia as guilty—simply because there were Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh who “didn’t stop it.” And this despite the fact that Pashinyan directly stated his refusal to protect the Karabakh Armenians, and also made it clear that he was not interested in their fate at all.
Instead of following the trilateral Russian–Armenian–Azerbaijani plan to resolve the situation (and as a result of the stopped Second Karabakh War, Yerevan actually had a road map for settlement in its hands), Pashinyan ran to the West and at its negotiating platforms twice confirmed in writing that he recognizes Karabakh as the territory of Azerbaijan without any conditions.
This, in particular, was pointed out by the representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Mariya Zakharova.
“There is not a word in the text about the need to ensure the rights and safety of the inhabitants of the region… This became Yerevan’s final solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh issue. Why did Nikol Pashinyan and the Armenian authorities do it in this way, why did Paris and Brussels push official Yerevan to do this?” Zakharova asks rhetorical questions.
Now is the time to diplomatically formalize the new status quo in the region. “The status of the new regions needs to be recorded on paper, a peace agreement must be achieved between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and security guarantees must be accepted for the population of Nagorno-Karabakh,” reminds Yelena Suponina.
A number of external players will pursue their own interests. The Americans want to oust Russia, the Turks want to oust all external players from the region. And the Iranians want to prevent Turkish domination of the region.
“There is an opinion in the Iranian expert community (it sounds quite strong) that the Islamic Republic may ultimately turn out to be the losing side. An anti-Iranian alliance will strengthen near its borders, and its goal will be the Zangezur corridor. Let me remind you that this project, which presupposes the claims of Baku and Turkey to the Armenian Syunik (Zangezur), was called a ‘red line’ by Tehran many times,” international affairs expert Abbas Djuma explained to Regnum.
Russian humanitarian protection
Now that the end of the Karabakh conflict in favor of Azerbaijan has become an obvious fact that is changing the political alignment in Transcaucasia, Russia faces new challenges in this region, experts note.
In a situation where Pashinyan continues to be in power in Yerevan, Moscow does not have many tools to protect its interests (to ensure a stable South Caucasus and the presence of a Russian bridgehead in Armenia there).
It will not be possible to outbid Pashinyan or change his mind—and not only because he is strongly indoctrinated.
As Dmitriy Ofitserov-Belskiy reminds, Pashinyan is personally dependent on the West, because he understands that he will have to emigrate there in the future. Explaining to Armenians that abandoning Moscow will lead to the seizure of their country by the Turks is also not easy due to the fact that Moscow is bad at defending its interests using “soft power” tools.
“Our military diplomats work very well, as do peacekeepers. What we lack is ‘soft power.’ We didn’t have enough of it in the Ukraine, in Azerbaijan—everywhere,” reminds Yelena Suponina.
However, the tools still exist, experts believe. Both at the highest political level and at the humanitarian level.
First of all, we need to take care of the Karabakh refugees, if only because by bringing peacekeepers into Karabakh, Moscow assumed moral obligations. “Against the background of rumors about Pashinyan’s reluctance to accept refugees from Karabakh, I think it would be fair to provide refugees with the opportunity to obtain Russian citizenship in a simplified manner,” wrote State Duma deputy Yevgeniy Popov.
With this step, Moscow, according to experts, might solve several problems at once.
First, Russia will effectively shield itself from any accusations that it has “abandoned the Armenians it pledged to protect.” Secondly, it will demonstrate that it does not abandon its own. Yes, its own—Nagorno-Karabakh (along with Transnistria) is one of the most pro-Russian regions of the post-Soviet space. Thirdly, it will acquire several tens of thousands of new hardworking Christian citizens.

Posted by: S | Sep 24 2023 18:38 utc | 94

“multimillionaire” should be “multibillionaire”. Autocorrect error.
Also, I should give a shout-out to the poster on an earlier thread (can’t remember the name—sorry—but if you want to say “That was me!” then feel free—I’m thinking maybe psychohistorian?) who pointed out that the amount of money needed to purchase the US Uniparty, on any particular issue , would be roughly 200 million dollars, max. That was a “Wow, he’s totally right about that!” moment, for me. Excellent breakdown, and apologies if misattributes.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 24 2023 18:44 utc | 95

“multimillionaire” should be “multibillionaire”. Autocorrect error.
Also, I should give a shout-out to the poster on an earlier thread (can’t remember the name—sorry—but if you want to say “That was me!” then feel free—I’m thinking maybe psychohistorian?) who pointed out that the amount of money needed to purchase the US Uniparty, on any particular issue , would be roughly 200 million dollars, max. That was a “Wow, he’s totally right about that!” moment, for me. Excellent breakdown, and apologies if misattributes.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 24 2023 18:44 utc | 96

@ David G Horsman | Sep 24 2023 16:20 utc | 26 // 31
thanks david! we all do what we can… all the best in your endeavors too! cheers james

Posted by: james | Sep 24 2023 19:17 utc | 97

@ David G Horsman | Sep 24 2023 16:20 utc | 26 // 31
thanks david! we all do what we can… all the best in your endeavors too! cheers james

Posted by: james | Sep 24 2023 19:17 utc | 98

There is no such thing as settled science. Anything labeled “the science” is horse manure. Everything can be and should be challenged. OTOH if someone challenges the existence of Gravity, or wishes to change the definition, or claims it should be measured differently, don’t expect readers, do expect laughs.
Most who wish to speak of climate science don’t even know which of their notions deserve laughter.
Then again if you read climate scientists you will rapidly discover they are astonishingly naive about politics. And say many laughable things.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 24 2023 19:19 utc | 99

There is no such thing as settled science. Anything labeled “the science” is horse manure. Everything can be and should be challenged. OTOH if someone challenges the existence of Gravity, or wishes to change the definition, or claims it should be measured differently, don’t expect readers, do expect laughs.
Most who wish to speak of climate science don’t even know which of their notions deserve laughter.
Then again if you read climate scientists you will rapidly discover they are astonishingly naive about politics. And say many laughable things.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 24 2023 19:19 utc | 100