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September 10, 2023

The MoA Week In Review - (Not Ukraine) OT 2023-213

Last week's post on Moon of Alabama:

> My excuse for posting only three pieces this week  Yes and no. After a rather rainy summer around my block it finally warmed up a bit. So I got a bit lazy. But I also read a lot which may help with future pieces. - b. <
> Delaying deliveries of Abrams tanks could ensure that it enters service after the current period of intensified hostilities has ended, after which the vehicles will be less likely to suffer losses which could affect the class’ reputation - or that of the American defence sector. <

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Other Issues:

Middle East:

Spies:

Europe:

Finance:

Censorship:

Use as open (not Ukraine related) thread ...

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The Brave New Europe piece, recommended by b is superb.
Its analysis of current European politics is equally applicable to the rest of the pillars of the Empire.
https://braveneweurope.com/mathew-d-rose-europe-not-reading-the-writing-on-the-wall

Your posts are a very pleasant bonus and help focus discussion but the work you do in keeping the space open and operative and aggregating work from a wide variety of sources is invaluable.
Your welfare is important to many more than your family and friends.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 10 2023 13:37 utc | 1

Freedom of speech only exists when nothing you say will have an impact.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 10 2023 13:49 utc | 2

It's very clear that Occupied Palestine is becoming increasingly Totalitarian as Crooke reports in his al-Mayadeen column:

The strategic goal is to reshape the Israeli state, so as to assert Jewish primacy over all of "Israel" and over the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories. This would mean attenuation, or even elimination, of Palestinian civil rights.

Finance Minister Smotrich has taken to referring to the two-state solution as a ‘fantasy’ -- one that must be crushed "willingly or by force (i.e. ‘with deeds’: through a massive increase in settlements)." Thus, to "make it clear to all, … [he underlines] the Arab dream of a state in Judea and Samaria [the West Bank] - is no longer viable."

Co-minister Ben-Gvir has amplified, "My right, the right of my wife and my children to move around Judea and Samaria is more important than freedom of movement for the Arabs." This is the consolidation of apartheid in occupied Palestine.

To further make his point, Ben-Gvir provocatively invited ministers to oversee the demolition of houses in an impromptu Bedouin village in the Negev: "They should understand that we govern here - and that this country has a landlord." (There are 100,000 Bedouins in Negev – there, from the days before Turkish or British rule).

Again, to underline the point about ‘who governs,’ Smotrich has moved quickly to urge government agencies to prepare for an additional 500,000 settlers in the West Bank - which would bring the current estimated population of 700,000 settlers up to more than 1 million within the next decade.

Thus, there's no reason for ANY Arab state to have "friendly" relations with Apartheid Palestine, or for any other Global South nation as what's happening is clear Colonial Conquest. The big question is how will Russia and China react? And then there're those Arab nations bordering Palestine; their territory will surely be targeted next given the ultra-radical nature of the Zionists. The continuing assault against Syria is proof of that behavior.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2023 13:52 utc | 3

The Tooze "Chartbook 238" piece, and the background paper it references is great. Thanks!

Posted by: too scents | Sep 10 2023 14:01 utc | 4

"Freedom of speech only exists when nothing you say will have an impact." Colin@2

Unless those who have the power to suppress free speech are forced to concede it.

Which is what has happened again and again in our histories- the examples are too numerous to need mentioning.

So what Colin is telling us is that if we do not want to be exploited, misled, lied to and lied about, mistreated and left to die young we had better learn to do what our ancestors did when they built the Unions, cut the heads off their Kings, expelled the invaders or moved to places where they would be better treated.

Except that Colin would probably say that resistance is hopeless, the truth will never prevail and that we are all doomed (DOOMED). Which he is at perfect liberty to do.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 10 2023 14:02 utc | 5

there's no reason for ANY Arab state to have "friendly" relations with Apartheid Palestine

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2023 13:52 utc | 3

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The Berliner Morgenpost reports that a portrait of Golda Meir hangs behind the desk of German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock.

https://www.morgenpost.de/politik/article239391359/aussenministerin-annalena-baerbock-todesangst-ukraine-gruene-interview.html

Posted by: too scents | Sep 10 2023 14:12 utc | 6

too scents: I guess that means she saw the movie.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 10 2023 14:15 utc | 7

Posted by: bevin | Sep 10 2023 13:37 utc | 1

By contrast, it was obvious that the Rose article is just a repeat frothing-at-the-mouth anti-EU rant, which as usual fails at ever identifying the advantages nearly all EU states have benefitted from. Even UK is on its knees now begging to be let back into the Horizon Europe scheme.

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 10 2023 14:24 utc | 8

happy sunday! thanks b and the informed posters of moa... much appreciation from this poster..

Posted by: james | Sep 10 2023 14:45 utc | 9

"...the Rose article is just a repeat frothing-at-the-mouth anti-EU rant.."
laguerre@8

Let others be the judges. Read the article and decide for yourself: Is it frothing at the mouth or superb analysis ?

laguerre is right about one thing though: the widespread feeling in the UK that it ought to apply to rejoin the EU is an accurate measure of the utter lack of imagination, courage or reasoning ability in the Establishment and its echo chambers.

Leaving the EU implied an alternative plan and a social consensus for the future, in particular an alternative to neo-liberalism, from the very society which had come to grips with the appalling meaning of economic liberalism before most of the world knew what it was.

Putting the BRIT in BRICS is a far more hopeful course than trying to jump back onto the good ship Brussels before it sinks into the foetid excrement on which it floats.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 10 2023 14:50 utc | 10

"China’s missing foreign minister Qin Gang may have a companion now. Xi Jinping’s defense minister is also missing and in trouble. Even Xi’s most trusted person in the PLA, Vice Chairman Zhang Youxia, is rumored to be implicated. Their cases are tied to the Rocket Force fiasco. What has happened to the Rocket Force? Why does Xi Jinping fear the PLA elite troops so much?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ_82CAmexU

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 10 2023 15:00 utc | 11

MoA's science junkies will want to read my latest substack, "Vladimir Putin Met with Young Scientists and Specialists of the Russian Federal University Nuclear Center at Sarov's All-Russian Research Institute Experimental Physics (RFNC – VNIIEF)", as will those curious about Russia's policy in several areas of higher education and its progress on implementing its security goal of replacing all Western computer software by 2025. The discussion is mostly led by the young Acadamian researchers and IMO is quite stimulating.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2023 15:30 utc | 12

Insurance turns out to be the exact point of collision between capitalism and a collapsing global ecosystem, little-noted, though happening in the plain sight of public filings out here in California, where towns burn down and insurance companies clear out. They're also pulling out of Florida, out of homeowner's insurance entirely...

Very few thinkers have really thought through the implications of this collision, but it's already getting very difficult for young folks to buy a home.

It’s a fact. The US property and casualty industry suffered losses of $5 billion in 2021, which ballooned to losses of $26.5 billion in 2022. There have already been 15 confirmed weather/climate disaster events with losses exceeding $1 billion each in the US as of August 8, 2023. That was before Hurricane Idalia, the damage costs of which are still being calculated. Losses are almost certain to exceed 2022 amounts.

Yet the Treasury has been lackadaisical in its efforts to require the insurance industry to disclose information related to climate change-related disasters. Consequently, regulators have incomplete information to draw upon when supervising and regulating firms. All of this leaves consumers uninformed about their real estate risks. The letter reminded the FOI that withdrawals of insurers from natural disaster-prone states are merely a preview of the climate crisis threat and its potential to upturn the long-term economic health of communities around the country.

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/09/07/the-climate-crisis-is-wreaking-havoc-on-the-insurance-industry/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 10 2023 15:54 utc | 13

MoA's science junkies will want to read my latest substack,

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2023 15:30 utc | 12

Hi Karl. I'm looking forward to reading it.

I have a suggestion/request. If you plan to write about the elections in Russia, could you provide some information about how remote voting is conducted, with regard to registration, security, etc. Thanks.

Posted by: David Levin | Sep 10 2023 16:15 utc | 14

Posted by: bevin | Sep 10 2023 14:50 utc | 10

so what was there in the Rose article that was new? The EU is not particularly a neo-liberal institution, though a common accusation. It is or has been markedly protectionist of European economies. That is not neo-liberal, rather nearer to what a socialist would want. (That is until the EU foolishly allowed Tony Blair to persuade them into admitting the East Europeans). Lots of countries benefitted enormously from subsidies bringing regions nearer to European norm. The Greeks suffered because of the criminal irresponsibility of their government, not bothering with taxing anyone: there's a limit to which you can get Germans to agree to fiscal irresponsibility. Frankly I would have thrown them out of the EU, but there is no mechanism to do so. The only part he got right was where he recognised the folly of submitting to US foreign policy, which is in no way beneficial to European interests. But that is a very recent thing, and one can still hope things will change in the future (though I'm not convinced).
By the way, I quite understand that you haven't lived in Europe for decades. Have you actually visited Europe recently?

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 10 2023 16:15 utc | 15

Thanks to b for the weekly reading list.
Two other suggestions:

Young English-speaking Chinese broadcaster with short, detailed takes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TynMo7nHIk

Birmingham going bankrupt. More to follow. China and US similar issues. After this quick survey I got the distinct feeling that a worldwide depression is inevitable. The plunge in British exports last year is extraordinary. The debt in the US seems designed to brings things to a painful, unworkable point. China also has issues. (He is not anti-Xi as far as I can tell.)

https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/the-china-convergence

An Aug 3rd 30,000 (!) word essay on how the managerial class has emerged from the Industrial revolution and, albeit in somewhat different ways East and West, is converging to the quite likely ruin of us all. Definitely worth reading.

He writes in depth and with great understanding both of political theory in history and in the present, with much attention to both the US and China, whose history he knows well. Publishes articles slightly less than once a month; substantive and deeply original thinking. Am particularly looking forward to the one entitled: "A Prophecy of Evil: Tolkien, Lewis, and Technocratic Nihilism."

Here is a paragraph about the sixties in the US in a section about 'self-governance':

The counter-culture revolution of the 1960s and its “anti-authoritarian” quest to “liberate” the self from restraints therefore served the managerial regime perfectly. It swiftly broke down traditional informal bonds of stable, resilient communities that had for centuries helped to shelter individuals, and tore up moral norms that had helped them structure and discipline their lives without the aid of the state. So liberated, the self-expressive individual was made a king in name, but left far more isolated, alone, and vulnerable in actuality. Such an atomized individual proved far easier pickings for the mass corporation, which swooped in to offer all manner of ready-to-purchase replacements for what was once the social commons, and for the state, which acted on demand to guarantee the sovereignty of these liberated selves and protect them from their own choices. Their capacity for self-governance thus degraded, and encouraged to think of themselves as reliant on the state for their freedom, the public’s demands for management by a higher authority then only increased relentlessly.

Not surprisingly, the 1960s produced a great explosion of bureaucratic administration in America, with the state happily taking on a series of grand social management projects, including the War on Poverty, the Great Society, and Civil Rights law. These not only turbocharged the growth of the administrative apparatus, but also proved fundamental to propelling the managerial system’s expansion beyond the confines of the state, greatly enhancing the managerial role of non-profit organizations and compelling the creation of such innovates as the modern Human Resources department, which now serves essentially as a compliance arms of the managerial state within nearly every private sector firm.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 10 2023 16:27 utc | 16

Michal Krupa on Poland's subservience and its geopolitcal ambitions

"...Professor Stanisław Bieleń, eminent University of Warsaw scholar of internationals relations, is a case in point. Bieleń can rightly be considered Poland’s leading voice of foreign policy realism in the academic world. His research is focused on Polish Eastern policy, i.e. regarding the nations of the former Soviet Union, especially Russia.

"Much of what comes out of Poland currently from official channels is usually nothing else than a repetition of Washington talking points, such as President Andrzej Duda’s recent blunt admission to The Washington Post that “right now, Russian imperialism can be stopped cheaply, because American soldiers are not dying.” Seems some lives are worth more than others. In this light it is especially crucial to give Western audiences a feel for what a serious Polish scholar has to say on the matter.

"In recent days, Bieleń has penned an article for the conservative weekly Myśl Polska, about what he calls, Polish “imperial obsessions”. Bielen’s observations should be considered a foundational diagnosis of the hubris of the vast majority of the Polish medial and political elites, which became more severe after February 24 2022.

"After giving a theoretical and historical overview of the phenomenon of empire, as manifested in different national forms, Bieleń states: “Telling Poland that in the context being Ukraine’s most generous protector, it has become a mighty power in the Eastern European region, is nothing more than being harnessed to the chariot of US hegemonic policy. America has taken advantage of Russia’s weakness and found new spaces for imperialist expansion in post-Soviet areas. It needs several obedient states to pursue its strategic interests. Poland, still stuck in a satellite mentality, hostile to Russia, sniffing out treachery and threats from everywhere, lined with fear, has become the perfect executor of instructions coming from overseas....”
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2023/09/06/subservience-to-washington-does-not-a-superpower-make/

Posted by: bevin | Sep 10 2023 17:20 utc | 17

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 10 2023 16:15 utc | 15

Have you read the maastich accords? The EU is neoliberal to the core, not by accident but by law.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 10 2023 17:37 utc | 18

laguerre@15

An interesting reply- Yes the EU's predecessors were protectionist and did pursue the socialist reforms that were characteristic of the post war era.
But, as you note, that has channged. The EU is now very much a neo-liberal institution. It not only imposes neo-liberal measures but uses its influence and power over member states to eradicate traces of the old 'social contract' days where it can. Which, of course means in the most vulnerable states, the poorest and the nost open to bullying.
As to Blair's role in the opening up of the EU to the east this was consistent with the adoption by the EU of measures whose only beneficiaries were in the White House and among the corporate oligarchy.
Neo-liberalism marched alongside subservience to imperialism.

It seems to me, as someone who once harboured hopes that the EU would develop into a social federal structure strong enough to slough off the malign influence of the Empire and NATO, that you refuse to admit that times have changed and that the EU is very different from the EEC and the Common Market. Just as Macron is very different from de Gaulle or Mitterand.

Perhaps you do not get away often enough.

For my own part, to answer your question, I am lucky to be able to visit the UK quite regularly and to spend a few weeks in France on the winter. I have relatives working in several European countries and, to be honest, with the exception of some High Tory in laws who were enthusiastic supporters of Boris, they were all dead against leaving the EU.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 10 2023 17:39 utc | 19

Karlof1 @ 12:

Really enjoyed this conversation with Putin and young Russian scientists--thanks for pulling it together. As a retired person once associated with research institutions in the West, I simply cannot imagine a conversation around initiatives of this sort--the sense of being part of a grand adventure and projet de societe--in any Western country today.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Sep 10 2023 17:48 utc | 20

Karlof,

The tragedy of the Jewish State is the Likud chose a strategy of establishing-facts-on-the-ground in the heady days following June 1967. Plenty of Israelis warned at that time that the Likud's strategy would inevitably lead to what we see now - a insecure Jewish state whose leadership becomes ever more extreme nationalistic - embarrassingly so as those quotes you posted sadly show.

The best hope for a secure and lasting peace for the Jewish State remains UN resolution 181. It also happens to describe the sole internationally recognized borders of the Arab and Jewish states. Everything else is a temporary ceasefire line - hence the Likud's manic insecurity.

Tragedy which could be easily averted.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 10 2023 17:52 utc | 21

@bevin | Sep 10 2023 14:50 utc | 10

Rose's article, fourth line:

This comes as no surprise as the sole goal of Europe’s neo-liberal political class and corporations is an inexorable income distribution from the bottom upwards, which we see not only in the increasing inequality, but also in the failure to stop climate change.

There it is, right at the start. The mark of the woke beast: "failure to stop climate change". I am not surprised that Rose, being American, is imbued in neoliberal wokism. I am surprised that he is given credit.

Another idiotic statement from that article:

In many East European nations one recently established political party replaces the other in government. Their corruption is boundless, their obedience to the EU impeccable, their citizens disillusioned.

East European countries are all but obedient to the EU. If anything they are obedient to the USA.

In fact, now the EU is about half way to a recover: they kicked out foreign agent, neoliberal on steroid UK, now they need to kick out the Eastern Europeans, starting from the Baltics and Poland. Let Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, the Ukraine, maybe Romania and Bulgaria have their US-led, neocon commonwealth. That would only be to the benefit of the EU.

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The problem with Rose, and many others, is that they do not understand economy. Real economy, that is industry. The USA, now that they are building a new iron curtain against China, lack the manufacturing resources to keep afloat a modern society. As a consequence they have to import more from their "allied" industrialized countries, that is the EU, Japan and South Korea. Even if super inflation makes those products more expensive. As I keep saying for months, almost a year now, causing inflation in the EU, the USA are going to import back that inflation through trade. This is the updated trade balance of the USA, January to July:

country... | '23.............. | '22.............. | '21.............. | '19
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EU........... | -119,795.5 | -111,082.5 | -125,760.9 | -104,015.1
Germany | -48,708.3 ..| -37,916.9 ..| -39,374.8 ..| -38,891.6
Italy......... | -26,837.0 ..| -22,125.0 ..| -22,289.3 ..| -20,066.0
UK.......... | +6,760.2 ...| +6,105.6 ...| +3,436.0 ...| + 2,750.3

The trade deficit of the US versus the EU stays high. The trade deficit against industrialized countries like Germany or Italy is skyrocketing. The Uk could only wish to be in the EU.

Posted by: SG | Sep 10 2023 17:53 utc | 22

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2023 15:30 utc | 12


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Posted by: Merlin | Sep 10 2023 17:57 utc | 23

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2023 13:52 utc | 3


Either the occupiers leave or the Palestinians leave. There is no other possible solution there. Israel is 'agreement-incapable' when it comes to living with the Palestinians, especially given the entirely unworkable (no doubt by design) geographical configuration of the original territories.

Initial 1937 proposal with two separate and distinct territories:
https://israeled.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/part-july-1937.gif

Agreed-upon arrangement with split and surrounded Palestinian territories, obviously designed for future absorption.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/images/israel49.gif

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 10 2023 18:21 utc | 24

@ Exile | Sep 10 2023 17:52 utc | 21

The only tragedy is the Palestinians’: that a Jewish state was imposed on their lands in the first place.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 10 2023 18:32 utc | 25

@ laguerre | Sep 10 2023 16:15 utc | 15

perhaps you could explain the rationale on the part of the eu for this... maybe you are unable to read rt? germany in particular seems particularly hostile to the russian people wanting to punish them for decisions that germany and the eu are unhappy with from russia's leadership.. just how infantile can the eu be here?? apparently, a lot..

EU allows seizure of phones, cars from Russians

Posted by: james | Sep 10 2023 18:56 utc | 26

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 10 2023 15:54 utc | 13:

Insurance turns out to be the exact point of collision between capitalism and a collapsing global ecosystem, little-noted, though happening in the plain sight of public filings out here in California, where towns burn down and insurance companies clear out. They're also pulling out of Florida, out of homeowner's insurance entirely...

Excellent post!

But in my opinion it is too hasty to conclude insurance's predicament is due to climate change. It's not blatantly obvious that hurricanes are visiting Florida more frequently, nor wildfire catching up in California. The extent of damages and the costs of recoveries, however, are!!! Mother Nature is not guilty of imposing higher costs to recover from natural disasters, human beings are!!! Back in the mid-60's, one mile of Interstate Freeway costed approx. $1 million; it's now closer to $100 million even in scarecely populated regions. Used to be cleanup of aftermaths are handled professionally and by workers with genuine compassion, now the first stage of aftermath cleanup is finger pointing, redtapping, and take-advantage-of-crisis thinkings.

Insurance business model are still largely the same as 50 years ago, but we as a society has changed. Half century ago people like Biden/Trump/McConnel/Newsome et alia couldn't possibly get elected, but now these and only these type gets elected because they have thicker skins/more malicious minds/craftier at tricks. Half century ago there was still a modicum of meritology in staffing and administrating, now all in charge seem to be cynics. Half a century ago retail worked well on an honor system, now retailors are clearing out of cities due to blatant shoplifts and lawlessness.

Yup! Insurance business model is evolving due to something. That something has a lot to do with what most of MOA barflies moan about here on daily basis. What Insurances are doing is just an inevitable along the way of Empire's decline to oblivion.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 10 2023 18:57 utc | 27

SG@22
I do not share your view that Climate Change is not a real and dangerous phenomenon. I wish that it was not but, in common with all the other environmental and social dangers brought by capitalism and the absolute sovereignty of profit hunget corporations, it has to be recognised and dealt with by people awoken from their slumber.
Suggesting that climate change is part of a 'woke' programme advanced by an unnamed interest group- it wouldn't be the capitalists who are fighting tooth and nail to preserve their investments in, interalia, fossil fuel industries- is anti-socialist propaganda.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 10 2023 19:31 utc | 28

"Agreed-upon arrangement with split and surrounded Palestinian territories, obviously designed for future absorption..." Scorpion@ 24

What is meant by 'agreed upon'? This map was certainly never agreed to by the British government, the League of Nations or any Palestinian authorities.

I'm afraid that Israel missed the boat on partition, firstly, in 1948 by over reaching and expelling, employing terrorist methods, the inhabitants and then, when it was in a position to impose its demands on a corrupt and supine PLO and Palestinian Authority, insisting, as it currently does, on the expulsion of all Palestinians from the land.

What is going on currently is nothing less than genocide and those ruling Israel are openly genocidal.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 10 2023 19:43 utc | 29

"Half century ago people like Biden/Trump/McConnel/Newsome et alia couldn't possibly get elected"

sure they could get elected. i don't remember a glorious time of competence and integrity in the political class in the US. i mean Biden was first elected to the US Senate in 1972.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 10 2023 20:20 utc | 30

@ Oriental Voice | Sep 10 2023 18:57 utc | 27

Muchas gracias for your thoughtful reply. The salient feature of any climate-related disaster trends is that such trends can reasonably be expected to keep getting worse. Reasoning about expectations is the kind of thing actuaries do, in order to intelligently calibrate premiums. In a recent chat with my own insurance agent (working for State Farm), I told her this ongoing exit of insurance companies from homeowner's insurance is the gravest financial turmoil I've ever seen. She told me they have to pull out because they're not allowed to charge what they need to charge. That's one way of looking at it, I suppose.

As regards insurance business models, it seems to me the whole idea of insurance, in the first place, is to distribute isolated risk among a general population. That model fundamentally makes no sense in the context of more or less nationwide disasters, such as the depredations of a collapsing global ecosystem. There will be no well people to bail out the hurting, you see.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 10 2023 20:52 utc | 31

those ruling Israel are openly genocidal
@ bevin | Sep 10 2023 19:43 utc | 29

Sadly, not just Israelis, and not just rulers. What about your friends and neighbors? I recently had to part ways with a lifelong family friend, now prone to openly genocidal bigotry (of the Russophobic variety). Very hard times we're living in, in 2023.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 10 2023 21:04 utc | 32

Thanks for the replies on Crooke's report and my substack on Putin's discussion with the young scientists. But another piece was also done today, and that's Lavrov's meeting In Bangladesh with friends of Russia/USSR which begins as a reunion-like discussion that morphs into a very long answer to a very complex question: "How do you see the solution to the problem of Ukraine? A year or two later? When can we say the World is Safe?" Readers will discover new details to the overall answer.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2023 21:11 utc | 33

David Levin | Sep 10 2023 16:15 utc | 14--

I'll do what I can to honor your request, but currently the #1 source site--Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation--is blocked to me in both English and Russian. But currently I'm visiting my daughter in Tennessee, so my home ISP might not have those sites blocked. I'll know in ten days.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2023 21:15 utc | 34

Posted by: bevin | Sep 10 2023 19:43 utc | 29

"Agreed-upon arrangement with split and surrounded Palestinian territories, obviously designed for future absorption..." Scorpion@ 24

What is meant by 'agreed upon'? This map was certainly never agreed to by the British government, the League of Nations or any Palestinian authorities.

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Maybe I made a mistake in my search. I thought this was the official first map of Israel in 1949. Is this one better? From the Jewish virtual library?
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/images/israel49.gif

I don't see any difference myself but don't have them up side by side..

The very simple point is that the shape of the two nations is ridiculous, especially when compared to the 1939 proposal. The 1949 one has two split Palestinian zones surrounded by Israeli territory. Clearly designed to fail.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 10 2023 21:18 utc | 35

Posted by: bevin | Sep 10 2023 19:31 utc | 28

"Suggesting that climate change is part of a 'woke' programme advanced by an unnamed interest group- it wouldn't be the capitalists who are fighting tooth and nail to preserve their investments in, interalia, fossil fuel industries- is anti-socialist propaganda."

I warmly recommend N.S. Lyons' magisterial "The China Convergence" at https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/the-china-convergence#_ftn14. I have never in my life read an article which so clearly explains what is really going on, not only with 'woke' business but capitalism, democracy, modern societies and more, both in the West and China. And zero conspiracy theory. It's fascinating, insightful and for me a profound relief. Puzzling contradictions along with bafflegab like 'left' 'right' 'fascist' 'democracy' and so on which I find rarely make sense these days are clearly explained.

He posits that the modern view's materialist underpinnings lead to inevitable dead ends whilst throwing up, starting in the 1800s what he calls the 'managerial class'. This is a natural evolution which has displaced previous notions like socialism and communism to which so many are still wedded. 'Managerial class' is a deceptively simple term but a fascinating, complex and overpowering beast, doomed to fail, but meanwhile threatening to devour us all. He believes China has a hard form versus the West’s softer form, but essentially they are the same. He also explains 'woke' as part of a neomarxist/materialist dialectic creating a Maoist style 'Extreme Center' to create not only ongoing revolution pushing resistance to a persecuted fringe but also an increasingly docile, infantilized citizenry. The persecution of the Deplorables (aka traditionalist who value family and religion) fits in with this approach perfectly.

I also learned that communism in China was sparked by the visit of John Dewey, aka Dewey Du Wei!

Mr. Science and the New Man

Psychologist, instrumentalist philosopher, and foremost American progressive educationalist John Dewey landed in China on May 1, 1919. It was three days before the outbreak of the May Fourth Movement, an anti-traditionalist wave that would grow out of student protests in Beijing and become a crusade to radically transform the nation. It would give birth to the Chinese Communist Party two years later, in 1921. The student movement’s slogan called for China to embrace “Mr. Science” and “Mr. Democracy,” and with Dewey’s appearance it seemed Mr. Science had arrived. Chen Duxiu, co-founder of the CCP, said he thought Dewey embodied the whole spirit of the movement. Mao Zedong thought his educational theory “well worth studying.”[8] Adored as a progressive and modernizing hero, Dewey would remain in China for a tour that lasted more than two years, delivering over two hundred lectures to crowds of thousands of adoring fans. Many of those lectures were then translated into best-selling books distributed across the country. He was lauded as a “second Confucius” and nicknamed Dewey Du Wei, or Dewey the Great.


Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 10 2023 21:39 utc | 36

#16 etc.

theupheaval.substack.com/p/the-china-convergence

I see this mentioned again.

It is an abominable pastiche of century old reactionary tropes, regurgitated with that comical and pseudo-prophetical style which apparently never ceases to impress American readers, since the time of Walt Whitman...

The sequence of delirious categories, starting from "Technocratic Scientism" and culminating with "Homogenizing Cosmopolitan Universalism" is straight out of Mussolinian rhetoric about the "Demo-Plutocratic-Bolshevik-Judaic-Masonic" conspiracy.
Empty mentions of the always misunderstood (and in any case terribly overrated) George Orwell are also perfectly fitting...

A further "denouement" of the true fascist nature of several well-respected and "authoritative" posters here.

I always wonder how they feel about that Brecht quote...

Posted by: MoaMetal | Sep 10 2023 21:52 utc | 37

BORIS JOHNSON: Britain will NEVER, repeat NEVER, rejoin the EU. Instead of appearing embarrassed by Brexit, the Tories need to champion it, exploit its benefits - and explain why leaving was brave, remarkable and right

The EU is evil and rejoining it would be a disaster for the UK... The EU is the only future and joining it is essential for Ukraine. BTW Super-Genius Bojo was in Ukraine the other day getting an honorary doctorate.

Clownworld hits liquefy on the Osterizer, they are playing us for imbeciles and maybe rightfully so, we are so far down the path of dystopia that cognitive dissonances no longer leads to ennui but to a sense of fulfillment.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 10 2023 22:24 utc | 38

Posted by: MoaMetal | Sep 10 2023 21:52 utc | 37

#16 etc.

theupheaval.substack.com/p/the-china-convergence

I see this mentioned again.

It is an abominable pastiche of century old reactionary tropes, regurgitated with that comical and pseudo-prophetical style which apparently never ceases to impress American readers, since the time of Walt Whitman...

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Hit a nerve, eh?

Are you a marxist by any change? Just curious...

I wish you could have provided an example or made a clear point other than hurling invective. I would be interested to know what you think is so off. But maybe you would rather not say, eh?

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 10 2023 22:47 utc | 39

Posted by: bevin | Sep 10 2023 19:43 utc | 29

"Agreed-upon arrangement with split and surrounded Palestinian territories, obviously designed for future absorption..." Scorpion@ 24

What is meant by 'agreed upon'? This map was certainly never agreed to by the British government, the League of Nations or any Palestinian authorities.

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Why don't you please explain what is such a big deal about the map? I don't get it. Hasn't Israel been a recognized nation with borders for quite some time? Can a map not show the original territory? Is there something misleading about the one I picked - from dozens which come up when doing a search.

What's the fuss? Do you disagree with the point that the two territories were configured badly. Who cares about exactly which map is being used? If you care, why not explain the problem instead of raising cryptic objections.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 10 2023 22:58 utc | 40

RE: “Effects remain, especially in the mindset of their would-be successors.”

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 10 2023 23:10 utc | 108

I see what you see, this generation is seeing perilous times.
But remember we’re not the only ones. Think of what the World looked like to the average person in WW2… they were probably absolutely certain Hitler was going to run the World. And all his associate collaborators with whatever names they gave their various organizations.

Again, evidence “against” that megalomaniac ideology exists of a one World Dictatorship. Not “for it”.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 10 2023 23:26 utc | 41

All of this foreboding about the abandonment of the US dollar does not seem to be showing up anywhere that you can put your hand on.

Posted by: arby | Sep 10 2023 23:28 utc | 42

On the topic of "the climate" this article from Jonathan Cook just landed in my inbox.

https://jonathancook.substack.com/p/were-rearranging-the-deck-chairs

In which he addresses a critic of his previous article.

The critique:
https://plagueonbothhouses.substack.com/p/a-rebuttal-of-jonathan-cooks-climate

I honestly haven't had time to do a deep dive, nor was I aware of the "rebuttal" until now, so same for that. Just figured the bar might find it interesting.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 10 2023 23:30 utc | 43

To my previous--

Gold is roughly the same price it was over two years ago
The ruble has done a face plant over the past few months
the S&P is up close to all time highs after the covid and repo smack down a couple of years ago

Posted by: arby | Sep 10 2023 23:33 utc | 44

Linked within the Jonathan Cook article above is this recent essay at the LRB regarding, among other things, the uncertainties in modeling.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n17/geoff-mann/treading-thin-air

I have nothing else to offer at this time, and I've just taken on a new contract that will consume a lot of bandwidth over the coming weeks, so it's unlikely I'll ever get around to the LRB essay. But again, just placing here for others. Apologies if it's already been discussed in another thread; haven't been keeping up.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 10 2023 23:35 utc | 45

Below is the summary quote from the Adam Tooze link about US treasuries

Whether you regard the denouement - direct Fed stabilization - as a disaster depends on your worldview. It depends on how squarely you are willing to face the historical fact that our modern monetary and fiscal constitution profoundly entangles the state and the private financial system and it is the central bank that forms the ultimate backstop. You can reasonably advocate for a system that is even more transparently backstopped by the central bank. You can also reasonably prefer a new iteration of public-private partnership with new rules, new participants and new backstops. What Menand and Younger’s wonderful essay shows to be a fantasy is any idea of a fiscal and monetary system based on rigid separation, a “free” capital market, or a “privatized” money supply.

I got upset looking at the posting's Table 3. Percentage of Public Debt owned by Commercial Banks and the Fed. It shows a massive increase in Fed ownership of Treasuries since 2020 and a slight increase of bank ownership but the gap between the two looks like the largest its ever been....banks at less than 10% and Fed at about 30%.

What that says to me is that global private finance is getting out of US Treasuries because they are about to be proven of much less "value" then they currently trade at relative to value....the adjustment back to a value associated money will be difficult for the US money system which has been the tool of private finance since at least 1913.

Then what happens to all the global debt that is denominated in US dollars? Does it get downgraded to some realistic amounts? Or some/most forgiven entirely?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 10 2023 23:42 utc | 46

"about to be" Is sort of like "the world will end tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow.

My guess is that the dollar's demise is showing up disguised as inflation.
They blame everything else but inflation started at roughly the start of the SMO and the sanction routine.

Posted by: arby | Sep 10 2023 23:52 utc | 47

Trump survived impeachment. Biden may not be so lucky
The president is desperate to hide his secret emails to Hunter Biden. Why?
By Charles Lipson
https://www.informationclearinghouse.info/57816.htm

Talking of Jonathan Cook-see Tom Q Collins @45-he argues that "The West’s blueprint for goading China was laid out in Ukraine":

" The West is writing a script about its relations with China as stuffed full of misdirection as an Agatha Christie novel.
"In recent months, US and European officials have scurried to Beijing for so-called talks, as if the year were 1972 and Richard Nixon were in the White House.

"But there will be no dramatic, era-defining US-China pact this time. If relations are to change, it will be decisively for the worse.

"The West’s two-faced policy towards China was starkly illustrated last week by the visit to Beijing of Britain’s foreign secretary, James Cleverly – the first by a senior UK official for five years.

"While Cleverly talked vaguely afterwards about the importance of not “disengaging” from China and avoiding “mistrust and errors”, the British parliament did its best to undermine his message.

"The foreign affairs committee issued a report on UK policy in the Indo-Pacific that provocatively described the Chinese leadership as “a threat to the UK and its interests”.

"In terminology that broke with past diplomacy, the committee referred to Taiwan – a breakaway island that Beijing insists must one day be “reunified” with China – as an “independent country”. Only 13 states recognise Taiwan’s independence...."
https://www.informationclearinghouse.info/57819.htm

Posted by: bevin | Sep 11 2023 0:38 utc | 48

@Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 10 2023 22:47 utc | 39

Your comment to MoaMetal:

Are you a marxist by any change? Just curious...

I wish you could have provided an example or made a clear point other than hurling invective. I would be interested to know what you think is so off. But maybe you would rather not say, eh?

The "Are you a marxist ..." is straight out of the McCarthy Era playbook. The article you reference does in fact pretty much match the MoaMetals comments and is deeply flawed:

1. Its asserts that "At the same time, many citizens automatically assume everything the regime says is a lie. Officialdom in general is a Kafkaesque tragi-comedy of the absurd, something only to be stoically endured by normal people. Yet year by year the pressure to conform only continues to be ratcheted higher…" accurately describes the Chinese government model.

- Independent surveys have shown extremely high levels of trust by Chinese citizens in their government, for example: Cunningham, E., Saich, T., & Turiel. J. (2020, July) Understanding CCP Resilience: Surveying Chinese Public Opinion Through Time. Cambridge, MS: Ash Center for Democratic Governance and Innovation Harvard Kennedy School.

- The Chinese Party-state has been responsible for the forty-plus years of growth that has lifted China from the level of sub-Saharan states to an average income level of approaching that of southern Europe, with real incomes growing by 4.5% last year while they stagnated and fell in Western nations. This can hardly be characterized as a "tragi-comedy". For the average citizen the Chinese government has created a miracle in their lifetime, no wonder they treat it with great respect and support - certainly not stoically enduring it!

2. The article states that "There are limits to this similarity, of course: the Chinese Communist Party is a brutal regime that has in the past killed tens of millions of its own people and still rules over them with an iron fist". A "brutal regime" where the police are not armed, people are free to leave the country at any time, and the population enjoy ever increasing living standards? The "killed tens of millions" is the classic cold war trope which utterly misrepresents the Chinese Famine of 1958 to 1962 while also completely ignoring the incredible increases in average life expectancy of the previous decade.

3. The article states that both nations are converging on "totalizing techno-administrative governance". The US has always been a bourgeois oligarchic-dominated country, the administrators are simply the courtiers of those with real power. Mistaking the courtiers for the powerful has always been a major error of so many commentators which serves the ownership-class wonderfully, as it makes them invisible. It also makes it possible for some of the courtiers to be sacrificed to make it look like things are changing. We may swap bourgeois liberal progressivism for bourgeois right wing populism, but nothing will have really changed about who rules the US. China is ruled by a revolutionary Party-state, displaying a "continued resilience through earned legitimacy" (Cunningham et al) which inhibits the development of a bourgeois oligarchy. The two nations could not be more different in this respect.

4. The author fundamentally misunderstands the nature of the managerial revolution, which was an increase in the size and complexity of the courtier class to better manage the plebs both within corporations and within society in general (i.e. to manage the cultural hegemony of the plebs). The ownership class took in some of the more successful entrepreneurs but these were not managers, plus some senior executives who managed to extract wealth from their corporations. The US is fundamentally run by the owners, not the managers. Look at the top 10 media companies, how many are owned/dominated by individuals or individual families? Plus so many other corporations. Blackrock etc. serve to concentrate ownership class wealth and power, and stock options were designed to make the managers serve the owners. After that the author wanders of on a whole bunch of generalizing assumptive nonsense about some supposed managerial ideology when the reality is that we have neoliberalism in the raw. In the Party-state the bureaucracy is dominated by trained scientists and engineers who focus on solving problems (especially NOT woke bullshit) within a still strong Marxist tradition (heavily reinvigorated by Xi).

5. After later page after page of badly structured, unsubstantiated assertions and tangled logic the author then makes the fundamental error of seeing fascism as at odds with liberalism. As Gramsci so well identified, fascism is what the ownership class utilize when liberalism has failed to manage the consent of the plebs. It is in no way at odds with liberalism, as the saying goes "just under the surface of any liberal is a fascist". There is a lovely story fed to the plebs that the two are at odds, but this is just fantasy to conceal the true nature of power in bourgeois society. Divide and conquer has always been the rule of the US elite. Now that outright racism etc. cannot be used we have identity politics and culture wars.

6. The Chinese Communist Party has 96 million members and relies on the ongoing support and legitimization of the Chinese people as it cannot hide behind some facile performative notion of democracy to provide it with legitimacy - like the US governments that continuously work against the interest of the plebs. "Capitalist liberal democracy" is specific to a given period of Western bourgeois hegemonic dominance, trying to argue that other nations are bad because they don't conform to this is civilizational supremacism as has been practised by the West for hundreds of years.

I have to admit that I gave up before the end, my brain could just not stand such an expanse of fatuous and highly misleading nonsense hanging off some core threads of fact. So I totally agree with MoaMetal's comments.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 11 2023 0:50 utc | 49

@ arby

read this and tell me if it doesn't emphasize that things are changing and not for the better for the west..

Europe’s Leaders Are Paying a High Price at Home for Supporting Ukraine

Posted by: james | Sep 11 2023 0:59 utc | 50

I don't see any difference myself but don't have them up side by side..

The very simple point is that the shape of the two nations is ridiculous, especially when compared to the 1939 proposal. The 1949 one has two split Palestinian zones surrounded by Israeli territory. Clearly designed to fail.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 10 2023 21:18 utc | 35
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Between 1947 and 1949, Zionist military forces attacked major Palestinian cities and destroyed some 530 villages. About 15,000 Palestinians were killed in a series of mass atrocities, including dozens of massacres.

On April 9, 1948, Zionist forces committed one of the most infamous massacres of the war in the village of Deir Yassin on the western outskirts of Jerusalem. More than 110 men, women and children were killed by members of the pre-Israeli-state Irgun and Stern Gang Zionist militias.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/15/nakba-mapping-palestinian-villages-destroyed-by-israel-in-1948

"The 1949 Armistice Agreements were a set of agreements signed between Israel and neighboring Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria to end the 1948 Arab Israeli War. The agreements established armistice lines between Israeli forces and Jordanian-Iraqi forces, also known as the Green Line1. The United Nations supervised and reported on the implementation of the agreements1. Iraq, which had participated in the war, did not sign an agreement as it did not have a common border with Israel."

Wikipedia
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Notice that while Egypt, Lebanon, Jordon. and Syria agreed to the map of 1949 which changed significantly from the original 1947 map before the Nakba Massacre's by Israel, the one people who did not and still do accept this map was the Palestinian (6 million plus who are refugees today).

According to international law, refugees have the right to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced. Many Palestinians still have hope of returning to Palestine.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 11 2023 1:34 utc | 51

psychohistorian | Sep 10 2023 23:42 utc | 46--

Hudson's consistently stated debts that can't be paid won't be paid, and that the overall US foreign debt can't and thus won't be paid. As we discussed eight+ years ago, it's like musical chairs--who is going to be caught without a chair when the music stops. Japan is the one massive holder of such debt that isn't trying to reduce its potential losses, while Russia, China and others have either rid themselves completely (Russia) or have sharply decreased their exposure (China). Others are following suit--Arab nations, ASEAN, and others that are well aware. The Big Question: When does the shit hit the fan? Remember, the USG can print its way out of the debt it owes itself, but it can't do that with the debt it owes foreigners. Hudson has explained that over and over during the last 12 months, particularly to China. Lavrov talked about the "discredited" dollar in the Bangladesh discussion I linked to above and severely bashed US credibility which is 100% justified. The rest of his answer relates to how the world will become safe:

The manipulation of paper dollars, on which the entire world economy rests, will end, and more reliable tools will appear to ensure the functioning of the financial and other systems. Then let's see how the well-being of the United States and Europe will be ensured, because the euro has about the same fate.

"This is a long period, a whole era. As decolonization took more than one decade, so here you will have to "work". I hope that we will have a complete mutual understanding. The Non-Aligned Movement, the Group of 77, is also "straightening its shoulders". They have been in the "pen" for many years.

As we know, the dollar won't vanish, but much of its purchasing power will.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 11 2023 1:54 utc | 52

Ed | Sep 11 2023 1:34 utc | 51--

Thanks for that Ed. The only "home" Zionists have earned is within a prison.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 11 2023 1:56 utc | 53

@ Roger | Sep 11 2023 0:50 utc | 49
I have to admit that I gave up before the end, my brain could just not stand such an expanse of fatuous and highly misleading nonsense hanging off some core threads of fact. So I totally agree with MoaMetal's comments.

Nice try, but he's hardly worth the effort. Still I appreciate what you're doing to set the record a little straighter. Fact is Scorpion should be banned from this site and all others it might infest with it's extreme deceitful sophistry, manipulation, and lies. It deserves no more than condemnation, 'invective' and worse. It's a sociopath plain and simple. MoA is probably the only place left online where it hasn't been banned.

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 11 2023 2:02 utc | 54

"Hasn't Israel been a recognized nation with borders for quite some time?.." Scorpion@40

The answer is No. 'Israel' is, notoriously, reluctant to fix its borders. In fact it obviously regards the Golan Heights, and what it calls Judea and Samaria to be part of the Eretz Israel that it holds also includes parts of southern Lebanon, much of Jordan and Gaza.
That is why it has no 'recognised borders' it recognises none itself. This is a longstanding problem which has always got in the way of sttelements involving partition. It has blocked the Oslo settlement propsals and the Camp David agreements both of which were very favourable to 'Israel.'
The problems include the fact that the demands of the Israeli government continuously grow as last year's 'extremists' such as Kahane becomes this year's moderates.
What is going on in 'Israel' at the moment is almost beyond belief. But what is really beyond belief is the indifference shown towards the atrocities there by 'western' public opinion and politicians.
I am sure that if you looked into the state of affairs there, Tory though you are, you could not in honesty doubt the absolute justice of the Palestinian cause. It ought to be a matter of shame to British people that this situation is largely of our making and is a graphic reflection of the unthinking racism which arose from the imperial era.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 11 2023 2:09 utc | 55

@ bevin | Sep 11 2023 2:09 utc | 55

Much obliged, bevin. I was thinking about posting something about Israel’s “borders”, but you did so, and about a thousand times better than I would have.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 11 2023 2:17 utc | 56

@ 55
Israel's position on borders was determined by UNSC 242 on November 22, 1967.
Israel supported the resolution because it called on the Arab states to accept Israel's right “to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.” Israel's recognized boundaries are the 'Mandatory Palestine' borders from the past.
Palestine was not mentioned in 242.
On March 25, 2019, the United States officially recognized the Golan Heights as being under the sovereignty of Israel.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11 2023 3:10 utc | 57

@ bevin | Sep 11 2023 2:09 utc | 55

thanks for saying that bevin.. sometimes your commentary is very incisive, as is the case here..

Posted by: james | Sep 11 2023 3:26 utc | 58

karlof1 3

British Muslims who are offended by Israeli treatment of Palestinians should look at their own behaviour towards British non-muslims.

My sister has been raped twice by Muslim men. She touched another car's bumper in busy traffic and the Muslim taxi driver claimed £4000 through Muslim insurance sharks.

My son bought a car from a Muslim.man who had got a clean air charge and parking ticket on the day off the sale which he refused to pay. A group of Muslim men in Cardiff hustled him with ' you like being abused ' language.

I myself , a revert to Islam , have been spied on continuously in my own house for the last 20 years, because Muslims were fed disinformation about me by MI5. My neighbour spies on me and I throw every piece of food they give us straight down the toilet in case it is poisoned with something.

This weekend a youngster who had bee told about property values knocked my door to ask me if I was interested in selling my house.

The imam ignores my phone calls when I want to discuss the Japanese Knotweed poisoning being done by the mosque behind my house.
My wife gets half the minimum wage working for an Indian employer. She works 9 hours a day , 7 days a week. My M.P. Liam Byrne didn't answer the letter I sent to him.

At work my South Asian customers refuse to comply with the Electrical Regs that I am bound by, and accuse me of being possessed by demons if I won't submit to their ignorance.

I moved here purely to be near the mosques, from Shrposhire, but all I get from the racist South Asians is abuse, which the English community fear will one day turn into violence.

In short, the arrogance of the immigrant community gets worse every day. They are uncomfortable with English Law, and will eventually turn this country into the corrupt political systems of the countries they come from.

The general view is that when we are more powerful than you , you will do what we say, so you may as well start obeying us now.

Of course it isn't anything like Palestine, but the racism is the same.
The Anglosaxons and Norsemen drove the Celts out of England. I have heard many a preacher state from.the Mimba that we English people will be driven out or taken over by the Muslims.

In fact Taking Over is the motto of the local Muslim radio station Unity FM

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 11 2023 3:38 utc | 59

Posted by: Roger | Sep 11 2023 0:50 utc | 49

You are a credit to this site. Thanks for the point by point (for as long as you could stand, anyway) taking apart of the nonsense.

@ bevin | Sep 11 2023 2:09 utc | 55

I could say the same for bevin and a few others with respect to the Israel issue.

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 11 2023 2:02 utc | 54

I've had some mutually beneficial exchanges with Scorpion over the past couple of years, or at least mutually agreeable in tone. I don't want to get involved in whatever "beef" you may have with him, but I'm curious as to what may have transpired prior to the cited comment @54. Hopefully he can weigh in and present his own side at some point but my take on Scorpion is that he makes it intentionally difficult to pin him down on where he really stands on numerous issues of great import to the world and the bar. Granted, that could also mean - and in some cases I'm sure it does - that he himself hasn't made any "final" decisions on some topics (I haven't either other than that I know which "side" of the spectrum I can trust and which I cannot). But IIRC, he was lower middle class UK and has somehow retired in Mexico after a career as some type of "guru" (no offense intended in the use of that word) of transcendental Eastern quasi-religious something or other and has done quite nicely for himself (financially and otherwise). But I often do get a slight whiff of - if not fascism or overt racism or orientalism - a person who despises what he refuses to call "the left" and especially those leftists of the Asian or Bolshevik persuasions.

I won't push it any further as I don't want to veer off into pure speculation and perceived insult, since I don't intend any, but maybe this will elicit a reply from Scorpion so I can more accurately characterize his philosophical and political leanings in future correspondences here.

Oh, and P.S. - Are you saying/implying that he's been banned elsewhere? Where would that be if I may ask?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 11 2023 3:48 utc | 60

psychohistorian | Sep 10 2023 23:42 utc | 46--
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 11 2023 1:54 utc | 52

Hudson's consistently stated debts that can't be paid won't be paid...

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Payouts are a little more artful than that.

As the Menand--Younger article Tooze references explains debts are contracts held by counterparties. The State empowers strong counterparties to levy and collect on the weak.

Perhaps what Hudson means is "obligations that can be avoided will be skipped"?

Posted by: too scents | Sep 11 2023 4:07 utc | 61

@27, Oriental Voice

"Yup! Insurance business model is evolving due to something."

1M for a mile of freeway, 100M to rebuild. This is classic death by complexity. Tainter "Collapse of Complex Societies" That's the physical, materialistic energy aspect. I have to think there is some psychological aspect as well. We are eating our societies, our cultures, our young. And soon enough, when we no longer have the ability to fill the potholes in the freeway - let alone rebuild the freeway - the bottom falls out. That will be sudden and unpredictable: a single obligation missed and others, depending on the first, snowball. That will happen in the material world and also in the pschological, spiritual world. A nuclear holocaust or zombie apocalypse perhaps. "The Road" - if one is lucky.

Meanwhile, we can read the news and debate what Nuland and Blinken and Sleepy Joe are lying about today.

Posted by: oracle | Sep 11 2023 4:20 utc | 62

@Posted by: too scents | Sep 11 2023 4:07 utc | 61

Perhaps what Hudson means is "obligations that can be avoided will be skipped"?

Corporations walk away from legal obligations all the time when it suits them, while they gaslight the general public that all such obligations are sacrosanct. The state has the ability to inflate debts away, at the cost of most probably a currency crash. This is the most likely possibility for US Federal debts to foreigners, an inflationary crash will be allowed to debase the currency as a last resort to escape state default. Either way, the US dollar will be finished as a trusted asset.

The only other options would be seizing the Chinese US dollar FX reserves, as was done with Russia. This would be like letting off a financial nuclear bomb given what would then happen to world trade (China would immediately require all payments in Yen and other non-dollar currencies, crushing trade in the short term) and the US dollar (there would be an immediate run on the dollar as everyone else runs for safer currencies where their money wont be stolen).

Posted by: Roger | Sep 11 2023 4:23 utc | 63

Today, 50 years ago, September 11, 1973. Chili.

We never forget the crimes of the exceptional Empire.

AFL-CIO https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/labors-cold-war/, by Tim Shorrock (tweet).

Posted by: phiw13 | Sep 11 2023 5:00 utc | 64

Either way, the US dollar will be finished as a trusted asset.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 11 2023 4:23 utc | 63

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The weak will be crushed before the dollar is finished.

There is a lot of fat on the middle classes.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 11 2023 5:01 utc | 65

I realise that providing information on what the hegemonic liberal authoritarian outlets such as nyt gives us an insight into what the idiots are thinking however since NYT have nade it impossible for me to read their tossage unless I hunt around for a device they haven't yet blacklisted and I believe that giving money for a subscription is aiding and abetting an ongoing criminal enterprise, I for one would prefer that if anyone including our host b wishes to provide a NYT link that they archive the article then provide a link to that.

The only reason I still glance at the guardian is that it can be done atm without giving the zionist slugs any money and my ad blocker ensures that they cannot accrue a brass razoo off me by page clicks. Otherwise I would also boycott it as I do every neolib site that attempts to generate cash off my reading their tripe.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 11 2023 5:02 utc | 66

@ Debsisdead | Sep 11 2023 5:02 utc | 66

https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-firefox-clean

Posted by: too scents | Sep 11 2023 5:08 utc | 67

@phiw13 | Sep 11 2023 5:00 utc | 64

Today, 50 years ago, September 11, 1973. Chili.

Björn Afzelius - Elegi för Salvador Allende (Elegia por Salvador Allende)


Lyrics in English

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 11 2023 5:41 utc | 68

Brexit-11 is the rational response to Western belligerence. That is the conclusion formulated in my latest article:

https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/2023/09/11/brics-11-rationeel-antwoord-op-westerse-oorlogszucht/

Its synopsis is: “The war in Ukraine exposes NATO's dysfunction. BRICS embraces six new members. The West thus loses control over the energy resources of the Middle East and the raw materials of Africa.”

Welcome to read it (use Google to translate the text in Dutch), and be my guest to post a reaction.

Posted by: Paul-Robert | Sep 11 2023 5:43 utc | 69

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 11 2023 3:48 utc | 60

I have nothing to add. Make your own decisions.

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 11 2023 5:55 utc | 70

Sometimes clarifying definitions may assist others see what is right in front of them and had failed to recognize what it was before. Each to their own .... trust your own instincts always.

disingenuous
adjective
1. not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does
Example: he was being somewhat disingenuous as well as cynical
Synonyms: dishonest deceitful underhanded duplicitous manipulative
Related: conceited, vanity, haughty, narcissism, sociopath/psychopathy, internet troll, self-absorbed, fraud, con artist

What is Sealioning?

Sealioning refers to the disingenuous action by a commenter of making an ostensible effort to engage in sincere and serious civil debate, usually by asking persistent questions of the other commenter. These questions are phrased in a way that may come off as an effort to learn and engage with the subject at hand, but are really intended to erode the goodwill of the person to whom they are replying, to get them to appear impatient or to lash out, and therefore come off as unreasonable.

'Sealioning' is a form of trolling meant to exhaust the other debate participant with no intention of real discourse.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/sealioning-internet-trolling

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 11 2023 6:16 utc | 71

In modern usage, sophism, sophist, and sophistry are used disparagingly. A sophism, or sophistry, is a fallacious argument, especially one used deliberately to deceive. A sophist is a person who reasons with clever but fallacious and deceptive arguments. You can find everywhere to different degrees. By their fruits .... thou shall know them.

This activity is most common in today's mainstream media aka yellow journalism, and of course political speeches. When that fails to achieve the desired end results they bring in the extreme censorship of individuals and mass distribution as well. As has happened.

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 11 2023 6:24 utc | 72

re too scents | Sep 11 2023 5:08 utc | 67

It works!! I had given up on bypass paywalls for the NYT about 12 months ago when they (meaning bypass paywalls from github) ceased doing anything on the NYT about 18 months ago. I saw the post about gitlabs a couple of days back but when I saw that membership wanted $$'s I put it to the back of my mind not realising you could d/l without membership.

Thanks for that too scents much appreciated.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 11 2023 6:44 utc | 73

@ Roger | Sep 11 2023 4:23 utc | 63 with the follow on about global debt and wrote
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The state has the ability to inflate debts away, at the cost of most probably a currency crash. This is the most likely possibility for US Federal debts to foreigners, an inflationary crash will be allowed to debase the currency as a last resort to escape state default.
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Also in response to
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The weak will be crushed before the dollar is finished.

There is a lot of fat on the middle classes.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 11 2023 5:01 utc | 65
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When the BRICS+ instantiates its value connected Central Bank foreign exchange clearing type money the US will be forced to peg the dollar against that valued Bancor type currency and if it is gold then TSHTF because there is not enough gold to support the current US dollar price. I have commented here before with quotes about the nightmare that would cause to private Central Banks of the Western nations.

When does the rubber meet the road continues to be the question to think about the ramifications of this change?.....here is a question that just popped into my head about this.

What are the gold price to monetary base comparisons for US, EU, China, Russia and ??? How much will other nations experience the inflation that the US/EU will face if required to revert to a value/gold based core money?

The shit show continues until it doesn't

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 11 2023 7:03 utc | 74

Indonesia is the world's largest producer of nickel, and also produces cobolt and manganese. These are important for batteries and other clean tech. The country has nationalised the extraction of these minerals, and also plans on doing more of the metal refinement in the country. While the export of ore brings income to the country, the real money is done in the refinement of the metals. Indonesia has also supported the idea of founding an organisation for countries that produce battery metals (a bit like OPEC and oil).

Of course there is some resistance to this from the West since it would mean less influence and higher prices. If the CIA succeeds with its aims in Indonesia, the next government will probably privatise the extraction industry and ditch any plans of refining minerals. The developing countries metal alliance plans will also face a setback.

Posted by: Format | Sep 11 2023 7:36 utc | 75

@Debsisdead | Sep 11 2023 6:44 utc | 73

I saw the post about gitlabs a couple of days back but when I saw that membership wanted $$'s I put it to the back of my mind not realising you could d/l without membership.
Wrong. Gitlab accounts do not require $$. But the whole idea with open source is that you can clone or download without an account anyway.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 11 2023 7:50 utc | 76

Maybe I'm out of line for mentioning it...

There is no statute of limitations on murder. 22 years ago, mass-murder occurred on live television in the U.S.

We had two decades of pathetic wars, gaining nothing but war profits--but no investigation, no trial, no sentencing. A crime unresolved.

The perpetrators are still at large.

Seems like a world of evil--I'm just passing through.

Posted by: zendeviant | Sep 11 2023 8:17 utc | 77

Expert: Armenian authorities are trying to oust Russia from the region (VERELQ, Hayk Khalatyan, September 9, 2023 — in Russian)

By concentrating its troops, does Azerbaijan want to put pressure on the Armenian side or is it preparing for a major escalation? Will Russia, the West or Iran be able to stop Azerbaijan? What is causing the serious crisis in Armenian–Russian relations?

Caucasus expert Karen Igityan answered these and other questions of the information-analytical center VERELQ [based in Yerevan, Armenia — S].

Azerbaijan is concentrating troops and equipment near the borders of Armenia and Artsakh [Armenian name for Nagorno-Karabakh — S]. Is this an attempt to put pressure on the Armenian side and the mediators in the negotiations or preparation for a major escalation or even a large-scale war?

All the indicators that are present during preparation of large-scale military operations are there; Azerbaijan is clearly preparing for war. But at the same time, we must keep in mind that this very demonstrative readiness may not be real preparation for war, but only intimidation, that is, the threat of war. But, of course, we have no right not to take into account that Azerbaijan is actually preparing for war.

The fact is that the Armenian–Azerbaijani, or more broadly, the Armenian–Turkish conflict is mistakenly perceived through the prism of the Artsakh one. On the contrary, it is the Artsakh conflict that is part of the larger Armenian–Turkish confrontation that began a thousand years ago. Its essence lies in the fact that the newcomer nomadic element has already settled in these lands and is engaged in systematically expelling the local population and exterminating it. This is the essence of this conflict. One of the manifestations of this conflict is the Artsakh conflict. If we look through this prism, Azerbaijan’s goals are obvious. That is, they are trying to capitalize on the moment of Armenia’s weakness—and it is clear that with these people in power Armenia is permanently in a moment of weakness—and, accordingly, to realize their goals to the maximum. Their goals are also known. It’s the occupation of Armenian territories and the expulsion of the Armenian population. The more they can do this, the more territories they can occupy, the more people they can expel, the more they will consider that they have completed their tasks.

Against the background of Azerbaijan’s preparation for a new aggression against Armenia, we see a serious crisis in Armenian–Russian relations. Moreover, in recent days the Armenian authorities have made a number of steps and statements that Moscow clearly regarded as anti-Russian. What is the cause of this?

De facto, the Armenian authorities, even before this team came to power, had anti-Russian sentiments, worked in structures that were not, to put it mildly, sympathetic to Russia and, accordingly, when they came to power, they immediately began to pursue a pro-Western line, an anti-Russian line, that is, also an anti-Armenian one. We won’t talk about what they did in internal Armenian issues—about the attack on the church, on the army. But if we talk about anti-Russian actions, those took place immediately after they came to power. Among those were the arrest of the acting CSTO Secretary-General, SWAT raids on Russian companies, and the live broadcast of Alexey Navalnyy, the most toxic political figure for the Russian authorities.

Now, the authorities are saying that Russia itself is leaving the region, but in fact we see that the de facto authorities of Armenia are trying to oust Russia. That is, they de facto ceased their participation in the CSTO, de jure remaining in this organization, intensified their contacts with the West, they are holding military exercises with the Americans right now, they recalled their representative from the CSTO, etc. That is, the Armenian authorities continue their anti-Russian line.

Their policy, directed against the national interests of Armenia, Russia and Iran, has already led Armenia to a big war and to great losses, and now, on the eve of another big war, which is likely to occur, they continue and even intensify this policy of theirs.

Will global or regional players—Russia, the West or Iran—be able to stop Azerbaijan?

I don’t think that the West will attempt to stop Baku, because, overall, the occupation of Syunik, that is, the control of Azerbaijan and Turkey over Syunik, fits into the plans of the West, since Iran will be isolated as a result.

Accordingly, Iran understands all of this and will resist it in every possible way. Question is, will Iran will be able to resist it precisely at the moment when hostilities begin? Here, of course, there are doubts, because at that very moment some kind of civil confrontation could begin inside Iran, as it happened during the September aggression of Azerbaijan against Armenia in 2022. When, the very next day, mass unrest began in Iran, clearly instigated by, let’s call it, a pro-Western network. Therefore, it is difficult to guess what state Iran will be in by that moment. But if Iran is in a stable state and doesn’t have other active fronts open, it is likely that Iran will react quite harshly.

As for Russia, it must also be understood that the Russian Federation is in a very large military confrontation on the territory of the Ukraine with, essentially, the entire West, which is participating, even if in a measured way, to the extent that, in their opinion, can lead to the defeat of Russia in this matter. Russia is overexerting itself because of this conflict, perhaps there will be another mobilization in Russia, because of this, Russia objectively does not have the resources to respond today.

But if the rumors about the October mobilization come true, then after some time Russia will have sufficient resources to respond to the developments in the South Caucasus as well. Both the Azerbaijani authorities and the de facto Armenian authorities won’t be able to ignore that.

Posted by: S | Sep 11 2023 9:01 utc | 78

Posted by: Roger | Sep 11 2023 4:23 utc | 63
“China would immediately require all payments in Yen and other non-dollar currencies”

I sincerely doubt China would wish use Yen, except if absolutely nothing else was available. Can you clarify, what makes you think they would prefer it?

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Sep 11 2023 9:40 utc | 79

@Scorpion | Sep 10 2023 21:39 utc | 36
about Dewey and about a comparison between managerial classes in China and the west seeing parallells.
He recommends N.S. Lyons' magisterial "The China Convergence"

@MoaMetal | Sep 10 2023 21:52 utc | 37
Critisises Scorpions above comment in a sarcastic manner seeing Lyons piece as a fascist type of analysis.

@Roger | Sep 11 2023 0:50 utc | 49
That comment joins Moametal's interpretation

I agree with both sides
Scorpion is right about the fact that the western elite encouraged communism, is a sensitive issue for those having marxist sympathies but it wasnt just Dewey.

It was an important part of what Britain aimed to use the angloamerican establishment for in both Tsar Russia and China.

In the russian case they employed the Red Cross among other things.
In China via Yale University China.
And via YMCA China and moreover partly under the disguise of christian missionary activities.
Genuine grassroot western marxists can not be faulted for the doubleplay by those anglosaxon elites but neither should they be blind to it.

China today is a sound nationalistic system aimed to function in the interest of its public.

It still calls itself socialist but it is entirely different from what those anglosaxon elites intended.

They always want every rival weakened and the socialism they have supported from its beginning had that aim.

It was explicitly stated in the US parliament for the Russian case and by Dewey and Bertrand Russel for the Chinese case.

To prevent capitalist competition.
In order to make the targeted countries weak.

And I agree with those who opposed Scorpion about this comparison of managerial classes to be completely misleading.
Fascist or whatever way one describes it simply fits well to the western case but not at all to China.

Marxism and fascism were created/encouraged as british elite instruments in preparation for the desired world government under aristocratic control.

China has altered the emphasis from overemphasising egalitarianism and now aim for prosperity.

For that end they have to encourage talents.

That isnt fascism.

And Karlof1 reported Putins encouragement of young scientists.

Where is the west heading in this respect and wouldnt it be a great thing if western socialists would contribute with the encouragement of talent in the west also?

Even if there is nothing egalitarian about it.


Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 11 2023 9:47 utc | 80

re Norwegian | Sep 11 2023 7:50 utc | 76

Gitlabs make it tough to register without payment. When I found a way to do that I discovered that without giving them your mobile phone number or a credit card it is not possible to register, then they verify your email address, so in practice joining up without making available information about yourself ie giving a phone contact and email which will generate them more money than a sub you cannot be a registered member. D/Ling is ok for unregistered but that is all and not exactly 'open' for any other usage.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 11 2023 10:02 utc | 81

The tendency of "capitalists" is to fight each other for customers and then to abuse the customers, and anybody or anything else that gets in the way. This is why they need to be kept in their place, a low place.

My God it is 9/11 and nobody notices. I think we have forgotten.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 11 2023 11:45 utc | 82

Thanks, b, for another Week in Review. I’m still fixated on that running man made of drones that made me think of burning man which was in the news at the time you posted that.

From the RFA article- "Once a foreign state abolishes, restricts or downgrades the immunity it has granted to China, China will have the right to take necessary countermeasures in accordance with the principle of reciprocity," Xinhua said.

On that note, I’m posting a link to Canada CBC’s Andrew Chang explaining what the heck happened at Burning Man. How did 2 cms of rain totally ruin it? I found it worth watching. 8 mins.

https://youtu.be/mWg93jgfFi8

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 11 2023 12:04 utc | 83

Regarding the article by ‘Mathew D. Rose is an Investigative Journalist specialised in Organised Political Crime in Germany and an editor of BRAVE NEW EUROPE’.
His paragraph very efficiently expresses also my opinions on such issues. But succinctly!

“Since the introduction of neo-liberalism as its lode star, European governments have thrown everything out the window that made us strong, which consisted mainly in investing in their citizens and economy. That consisted of innumerable sorts of policies ranging from education, health, housing, environment, public supply to technical innovation. This was superfluous for “the market” unless it could be commodified or financialised. Thus these have been radically reduced and much of what remains has become inefficient and expensive through privatisation. The current economic and geopolitical developments are incomprehensible for these politicians.
Let us begin … “

https://braveneweurope.com/mathew-d-rose-europe-not-reading-the-writing-on-the-wall

“With its Belt and Road Initiative the Chinese, the first alternative to American and European imperialism in decades, are making inroads into markets important for Europe. The EU is finding itself being pushed by China into a distant second or third place with regard to trade in many nations of the Global South.”

He asks ‘what is the course’ for us in Europe?

Well? Isn’t the course for the EU and other European countries - ahem U.K. - OBVIOUS???

The latest bargaining, shilling, attempt at fast talking the world into buying into a fake expanded G20 and yes even the BRICS +, is the usual salesman’s bullshit of faking it , hoping to making it!
There is only one golden path or Road. It always has a Belt attached so that it can’t be mistaken.

And there is only one multipolar organisation that can guarantee its security and it can only exist cooperatively . It was like most things in our daily world was made in China. Shanghai in fact.

The sooner we are able to join it the better. I hope to be able to take a super fast train from London to Shanghai , or to Tibet or all the way down through south east Asia to Borneo, within 20 years. Or to Cape Town via the deserts and equatorial African lands.
The nightmare of EuroAmerican Imperialism finally extinguished and all humanity’s potential fully realised.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 11 2023 12:25 utc | 84

@Debsisdead | Sep 11 2023 6:44 utc | 73

archive.ph can help you bypass the paywall.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 11 2023 12:25 utc | 85

Posted by: Roger | Sep 11 2023 4:23 utc | 63

The powerful always make the rules and then just apply them to the lower class, not themselves. Even when they get caught they resort to emotional blackmail, and it seems like the rare people who can fight back should instead feel guilty and feel obligated to be continued exploited by them.

When they are strong, they claim you are weak you have no reason. When they are captured by the stronger justice, they claim the rights of the weak.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 11 2023 12:40 utc | 86

I've just posted my substack write-up of Lavrov's G-20 Presser which also links to the G-20 Declaration. The Summit was a victory for the Global South, which many didn't expect; Lavrov explains why.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 11 2023 13:01 utc | 87

I've been thinking over the Armenian situation, and I think the problem likely has something to do with the large Armenian ex-patriate community in the USA, which understandably wants Armenia to be close to the "West" and USA in particular. Which puts Armenia the state in the position of annoying Russia & Iran, which Armenia is dependent on for security.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 11 2023 13:07 utc | 88

The Government Censored Me and Other Scientists. We Fought Back—and Won.

Last week, a federal appeals court confirmed that science cannot function without free speech. Dr. Jay Bhattacharya reflects on a victory for himself—and every American.

By Jay Bhattacharya

September 11, 2023


On Friday, at long last, the Fifth Circuit Court ruled that we were not imagining it—that the Biden administration did indeed strong-arm social media companies into doing its bidding. The court found that the Biden White House, the CDC, the U.S. Surgeon General’s office, and the FBI “engaged in a years-long pressure campaign [on social media outlets] designed to ensure that the censorship aligned with the government’s preferred viewpoints.”

The judges described a pattern of government officials making “threats of ‘fundamental reforms’ like regulatory changes and increased enforcement actions” if we did not comply. The implication was clear. To paraphrase Al Capone: Nice company you have there. It’d be a shame if something were to happen to it.

It worked. According to the judges, “the officials’ campaign succeeded. The platforms, in capitulation to state-sponsored pressure, changed their moderation policies.”

In exposing this behavior—and in declaring it a likely violation of the First Amendment—the ruling is not just a victory for my fellow scientists and me, but for every single American.

The trouble began on October 4, 2020, when my colleagues and I—Dr. Martin Kulldorff, a professor of medicine at Harvard University, and Dr. Sunetra Gupta, an epidemiologist at the University of Oxford—published the Great Barrington Declaration. The Declaration called for an end to economic lockdowns, school shutdowns, and similar restrictive policies on the grounds that they disproportionately harm the young and economically disadvantaged while conferring limited benefits to society as a whole.

The Declaration endorsed a “focused protection” approach that called for strong measures to protect high-risk populations while allowing lower-risk individuals to return to normal life with reasonable precautions. Tens of thousands of doctors and public health scientists signed our statement.

https://www.thefp.com/p/i-fought-government-censorship-and-won

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 11 2023 14:02 utc | 89

@ Debsisdead | Sep 11 2023 5:02 utc | 66

Most if not all NYT articles can be found archived at

https://archive.ph/

Just enter the key words or headline under "I want to search the archive for saved snapshots"

Posted by: udkanten | Sep 11 2023 14:03 utc | 90

@petergrfstrm #80

It is true that Anglo-Saxon imperialist powers have constantly sought to infiltrate socialist movements, or rather the sectarian components within them, in order to enfeeble or confuse (the National Question is a complicated issue in the early political discourse of Lenin) the struggle for national liberation.

On the other hand, in the Chinese case, some basic form of "reality check" appears to be in order.

Leaving aside any attempt to investigate the complex figure of Mao***, one must at least observe that the most significant part of the future communist élite (Deng, Zhou etc.) was influenced by French scholars and activists, chiefly through the well known "Mouvement Travail-Études".
Whilst this briefly enjoyed some form of institutional protection, it can hardly be depicted as a foreign-sponsored interference.

Even clearer is the case of those other notable intellectuals (Lu Xun being the obvious example) who chose a path of study in the late Meiji or early Taishō Japan.
For those, even a clandestine condition along with their local comrades had sometimes to be endured.

And of course, it is not possible to completely neglect the debate, around the nature of the emerging socialist movement, which somehow grew within China itself, in those times.

In short, the notion of Chinese Marxism as a substantial product of the Anglo-American influence appears like a farfetched idea, to say the least...

***As a side note, it is interesting to observe that literary scholars have consistently fared better than politicians in understanding some aspects of Mao's figure. For example his very classical predilection for poetry (especially Tang) as opposed to political rhetoric...

Posted by: MoaMetal | Sep 11 2023 14:15 utc | 91

My God it is 9/11 and nobody notices. I think we have forgotten.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 11 2023 11:45 utc | 82

I believe it was referred to in the following:

Posted by: zendeviant | Sep 11 2023 8:17 utc | 77

Posted by: David Levin | Sep 11 2023 14:19 utc | 92

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 11 2023 9:47 utc | 80

And I agree with those who opposed Scorpion about this comparison of managerial classes to be completely misleading. Fascist or whatever way one describes it simply fits well to the western case but not at all to China.

First, did you read the article? Probably not. If so, you would know that what he describes in both polities is beyond fascism the way the word has been used for decades. And that is not his point - affixing labels - rather uncovering how modern states are run by the Managerial Class, which is both a way of doing things and a mentality. Again, this is beyond fascism per se.

That said, re fascism, try this quote from Xi Thought for size:

“Party, government, military, civilian, academic; east, west, south, north, and center, the Party leads everything.”
– CCP General Secretary Xi Jinping

Then read his explanation of how the Party works, with cells in every major business, and the significance of Xi's role as CCP General Secretary.

So: some disagree with the article whilst others like myself find it deeply clarifying. Unbeknownst to me, an old friend who publishes a geopolitical aggregator site (sitrepworld.info) on the same day also stumbled on this same article and had the same reaction. I'll let him chime in:

Today I’m breaking my pattern of publishing 36 links every day. Instead, I’m featuring a single link, from someone I never heard of before, by the name of N.S. Lyons. It’s long and dense but well worth your full attention. It is the closest attempt I’ve seen to successfully putting together the 100,000 piece puzzle that has riveted our attention for at least the last decade.

The China Convergence: Yes, the West is becoming more like China, by N.S. Lyons

How could our world – so familiar and taken somewhat for granted – have turned into clown world, full of absurdities like infantilist Wokery, crimes of the magnitude of the Covid scam and other gross violations of simple common sense and human decency? Who’s actually in charge and what is their agenda?

I had put it down to TGTS (The Geopolitical Tectonic Shift), which I’ve written about in my recent blog posts. TGTS – the end of the 500 yr era of the European Empire – is still a valid insight, but what N.S. Lyons has observed dates from less than 100 yrs ago.

Together, these two conceptual overlays come close to summing up the whole catastrophe. I urge you to read the essay carefully and then go back and read it again. You won’t regret it.

Indeed, am going to take his advice and read it again. And also other fine essays. BTW, my friend is an old school East Coast ex Army Intelligence Jewish liberal who was a well-known activist for a Democratic One State. He gave up on that a few years ago, finally surrendering to the truth: Israel is not 'agreement-capable'. He is a staunch fan of both Putin and multipolarity but he too found this article revelatory.

I don't understand why people get upset about ideas and hurl invective. Immature and unhelpful.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 11 2023 14:43 utc | 93

This article, dated early August, is worth reading. Evidently the US National Security Advisor understands what neo-liberalism means:

"U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan made a statement full of confessions about the US economy. Stating that the economy can no longer be saved with the existing system, Sullivan called for increasing public investments. The US official also underlined that the American middle class is losing ground.

"The leaders of the system in the U.S. themselves openly criticize neoliberalism now. Jake Sullivan has voiced the need for a new system in the US, where banks are failing and inflation is rising. In a speech held in the Brookings Institute on “Renewing American economic leadership”, Sullivan stated that the changing global economy had left behind lots of working Americans..."
http://www.defenddemocracy.press/us-national-security-advisor-enough-of-the-neoliberal-system/

Posted by: bevin | Sep 11 2023 15:06 utc | 94

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 11 2023 13:07 utc | 88

Centuries of European war refugees (and, as some historiographers have noted, lesser beneficiaries of primogeniture) have fled to the "new world" dragging their beefs with them. UNFETTERED by "illiberal" rules of and police in the metropoles, such emigres acquire wealth by rapine and political patronage in the wilderness only to return money and sanctimonious bootstraps to malingering "freedom fighters" in their hyphenated homelands.

That said, familiarize yourself with the Council of Europe (COE.int), permanent members, observe members, and "parliament" of appointed representatives...before the next Venn diagram partitions the clan into compartments labelled US/UK/FUKUS/NATO/"Allies and partners"-led globalists roll into this thread.

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 11 2023 15:23 utc | 95

The only solution to the Israel question is the one-state solution, and central to that being workable is full rights and political enfranchisement of Palestinians, with right of return for all displaced peoples and right of legal redress for stolen properties. I fail to understand how anyone cannot see this as obvious. How can anyone consider themselves a moral person and oppose this?

Hasbara trolls (I know there are some here), demonstrate your immorality, villainy even, by "explaining" why such such a one-state solution, which is to say a one-state solution that doesn't require genocide or apartheid, is wrong. I'm curious how evil and twisted you really are.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 11 2023 15:25 utc | 96

Posted by: MoaMetal | Sep 11 2023 14:15 utc | 91

In short, the notion of Chinese Marxism as a substantial product of the Anglo-American influence appears like a farfetched idea, to say the least...

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For the record, neither I nor the Article in question made that claim. The quote I shared about 'Dewey Du Wei' was part of a sub-section entitled 'Mr. Science and the New Man'.

Dewey the Great had already helped transform America. A leading light of the rising American progressive education movement, he had successfully led a mission to completely remake the American education system, remodeling the country’s historic liberal arts colleges into copies of Germany’s fashionable new centrally-managed “research universities,” as well as generally overhauling the purpose and pedagogy of public education. Whereas Western educational institutions had for centuries focused largely on cultural transmission and forming the character of the students in their charge through study of the humanities and the classical virtues, Dewey believed this approach was outdated and in fact immoral. Influenced by the new philosophy of Logical Positivism, he thought that instructing students in any belief in objective truth and authoritative notions of good and evil was harmful, as it was individual man himself who engaged in the “construction of the good.” The education system therefore had to abandon its age-old mission and focus instead on teaching students the technical skills to thrive in modern industrial society – including, most critically, “how to think” in rational, scientific terms. (and much more follows about that subject)


I included this in my first post because I found the connection interesting, no more. (Not mentioned in the article, but:) The entire world was watching the West's Industrial Revolution and the British Empire. Tzars were drawing global railway networks connecting Buenos Aires with Lisbon over the Bering Strait; Japan undertook the Meiji Restoration. Ideas about modernizing were rampant with leading American intellectuals widely followed.

The Managerial Class manipulates the 'demos' (population) to achieve their desired sort of 'democracy'. Although not spelled out as such, now I understand that 'The Deplorables are a threat to democracy' is not a crass demagogic lie. There is intelligence behind Wokeness and Clown world inanity; finally, it's making some sense.

Another subsection: the managerial class roils social unrest (a classic Maoist tactic)* using an 'Extreme Center' approach persecuting those with traditional, religious family-centric values who do not conform to the subservient, dependent 'demos' the Managers desire for their 'democracy'.

* From Part III Stability Maintenance, sub-section 'Permanent Revolution":


In other words a new, firmer order is produced through the chaos of disorder; you break things so you can replace them with new things of your choosing. Or as Mao put it in a letter to his wife in 1966 when he decided to kick off China’s hugely destructive Cultural Revolution (mainly so as to consolidate his own waning personal power) the method was to stir up “great disorder under heaven” for the purpose of creating “great order under heaven.” Only through the emergency of chaos and mass disruption could he find the latitude to take bold action, make sweeping changes, eliminate rivals, reorder allegiances, and seize control of new power centers in ways that would previously have been impossible. (Hence why he is reputed to have remarked during the height of the bloody madness that, “Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.”)

Of course much more in the article. I can only offer snapshots; the article is long for a reason; not a wasted paragraph. Truly, it is well worth reading!

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 11 2023 15:35 utc | 97

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 11 2023 15:23 utc | 95

Thank you for your comment.

As an USA-ian I am well aware of the effects of ex-patriate patriotism, that is why it occurred to me; I was just trying to make sense of the bizarre situation with Armenia & Pashinian sucking up to enemies and annoying friends all the while losing.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 11 2023 16:13 utc | 98

@ bevin | Sep 11 2023 15:06 utc | 94

Thanks for this. Looks like the election season volte-faces have begun!

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 11 2023 16:34 utc | 99

Posted by: Roger | Sep 11 2023 0:50 utc | 49

That is one hell of a rebuttal to the horsecrap spouted by the far-right parade and their "sources". The poster "MoA Metal" was correct, of course, but the other posting joker thought he could play smart before you mopped the floor with his arse.

What is further irritating with these self-righteous hypocrites is how easily they ignore their own attitudes towards authoritarianism an dthe empowerment of the very same elites that attack their alleged traditional values. These Pharisees, every bit as liberal as the ultra-prog cultural counterparts, basked and gloried in the degradation of entire generations of Europeans during the industrialization era. They never had any remorse for the brutal treatment and exploitation of socially and racially "inferior" communities.

These are the people who told that Russia's horrific social degradation in the 90s was "a restoration of traditional values". Describing stratospheric levels of abortions, drug addiction, human trafficking and child prostitution as "traditional values" is something that the most fanatical Bolshevik iconoclast would not do, but there you have it.

And let's not forget how much support trash like George Bush, Dick Cheney, the entire neocon gang etc. received early on from the supposed defenders of traditional values. In the end, it has all been a steady vomit of virtue-signalling, always in the service of the powers that be, the capitalist elites that run the show. But thankfully, we have wankers like "Scorpion" and his ilk informing us how the Chinese Revolution was a product of western subversives. Somewhere there, there should also be some hidden Jews.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 11 2023 16:56 utc | 100

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