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September 14, 2023
Russia Is Winning The Industrial Warfare Race

Last year I mocked the media for claiming that 'Russia is running out of' whatever.

> Back in March I had warned that Lies Do Not Win Wars. Here is another practical example.

After allegedly having 'run out of missiles' and, more importantly, patience, the leadership of the Russian Federation decided to de-electrify Ukrainian cities with a 'barrage of missile strikes'. <

Western military commentators have finally started to accept the obvious. Russia is winning and doing so by a large margin.

A similar turn can be seen in dearth of new 'Russia is running out of' stories which get now replaced by acknowledgements that Russia's weapon industries are out-producing the West:

Russia Overcomes Sanctions to Expand Missile Production, Officials SayNY Times
Moscow’s missile production now exceeds prewar levels, officials say, leaving Ukraine especially vulnerable this coming winter.

As a result of the sanctions, American officials estimate that Russia was forced to dramatically slow its production of missiles and other weaponry at the start of the war in February 2022 for at least six months. But by the end of 2022, Moscow’s military industrial manufacturing began to pick up speed again, American officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to disclose the sensitive assessment now concede.

Before the war, one senior Western defense official said, Russia could make 100 tanks a year; now they are producing 200.

Western officials also believe Russia is on track to manufacture two million artillery shells a year — double the amount Western intelligence services had initially estimated Russia could manufacture before the war.

As a result of the push, Russia is now producing more ammunition than the United States and Europe. Overall, Kusti Salm, a senior Estonian defense ministry official, estimated that Russia’s current ammunition production is seven times greater than that of the West.

Russia’s production costs are also far lower than the West’s, in part because Moscow is sacrificing safety and quality in its effort to build weapons more cheaply, Mr. Salm said. For instance, it costs a Western country $5,000 to $6,000 to make a 155-millimeter artillery round, whereas it costs Russia about $600 to produce a comparable 152-millimeter artillery shell, he said.

I believe that the numbers of current weapon production in Russia, which the New York Times cites, are too low. Consider that back in February the former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev spoke of an 'exponential increase' in weapon output:

Medvedev said Moscow had increased military production "by tens of times" at some factories and was closely studying weapons fired into Russian-held areas from the Ukrainian side in an effort to gain an advantage.

I would also argue that sanctions were never really able to hinder Russia's arms industry. No military uses the latest and greatest chips when it comes to making weapons. Putting sanctioning on those is thus pretty useless. Some old Intel 80386 compatible CPU is, correctly programmed, sufficient to manage a modern artillery system. For little money one can get thousands of these in any Asian electronic market.

There are a few exceptions that need special stuff. For some time Russia was behind in the production of night vision equipment. It imported some from France which blocked further transfers. But that issues seems to have been solved. For basic materials and energy Russia has all it needs. It also has well qualified staff to develop and build new weapons.

Five years ago the Russian President Vladimir Putin revealed a number of new weapon systems which were superior to western ones. He also mentioned that same of these were based on "new physical principles" which had been discovered by Russian scientists. At the recent Eastern Economic Forum he repeated that claim:

If one looks into the security sphere, new physical principles weapons will ensure the security of any country in the near historic perspective. We understand this very well and are working on it, Putin said.

(I don't find those sentences in the plenum transcript but trust Sputnik to have it right.)

There is some guessing what Putin might have meant. I thought about it for quite a while but have to admit that I have no clue what he has in mind.

A warning that Russia will outproduce the West was given back in June 2022 when Alex Vershinin of RUSI issued a note about The Return of Industrial Warfare:

The winner in a prolonged war between two near-peer powers is still based on which side has the strongest industrial base. A country must either have the manufacturing capacity to build massive quantities of ammunition or have other manufacturing industries that can be rapidly converted to ammunition production. Unfortunately, the West no longer seems to have either.

It has become to expensive for the West to regain that capability.

That Russia was running out of stuff was always wishful thinking, not fact based analysis. On that point it took the media more than a year to catch up with reality. On other aspects of the the war, casualty numbers come to mind, the media are still miles behind.

Comments

The Russkies and friends use 152 mm, smoothbore. Smoothbore, popular on both sides packs a bigger punch.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 3:22 utc | 203
Aha! Thanks. I was confused because I’ve been reading too many YooTube forums filled with idiots ranting about how Russia is running out of 155 mm artillery. Not to mention the MSM does a good job of elevating 155 mm to the level of “holy grail”.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 15 2023 3:30 utc | 401

The Russkies and friends use 152 mm, smoothbore. Smoothbore, popular on both sides packs a bigger punch.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 3:22 utc | 203
Aha! Thanks. I was confused because I’ve been reading too many YooTube forums filled with idiots ranting about how Russia is running out of 155 mm artillery. Not to mention the MSM does a good job of elevating 155 mm to the level of “holy grail”.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 15 2023 3:30 utc | 402

Would y’all just quit pissing on American engineers? You don’t thlnk weapons technology is not demanding? Look at AN-Spy1 radar. A nuclear submarine ballistic missille boat might be the most complex war toy designed by man. DoD does not seem to mind white male engineers toiling in the MIC eiter.
Why are there so many Asiatic students enrolled in US Engineering Schools? You’ll be a paleface at CalTech.
Last year, one the bar flies provided a detaled analysis on the differences in defense procurement. That person deserves mmajor credit.
Russia has state industries. Skip the multi-layer middleman markups. Skip the lengthy RFI, RFP procurement process and all those layers of government bureaucracy.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 3:33 utc | 403

Would y’all just quit pissing on American engineers? You don’t thlnk weapons technology is not demanding? Look at AN-Spy1 radar. A nuclear submarine ballistic missille boat might be the most complex war toy designed by man. DoD does not seem to mind white male engineers toiling in the MIC eiter.
Why are there so many Asiatic students enrolled in US Engineering Schools? You’ll be a paleface at CalTech.
Last year, one the bar flies provided a detaled analysis on the differences in defense procurement. That person deserves mmajor credit.
Russia has state industries. Skip the multi-layer middleman markups. Skip the lengthy RFI, RFP procurement process and all those layers of government bureaucracy.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 15 2023 3:33 utc | 404

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 15 2023 2:32 utc | 199
I could be mistaken but someone here , sometime ago , said that a NATO 155mm can pack up to double -4x the walloping power of a Russian 152mm. Apparently those 3 mm are critical to explosive content. The poster seemed clever , informed and unbiased to me.
I also heard that Smoothbore gives longer range, but rifled barrels are more accurate.
Happy to be corrected by someone who was in artillery and really knows his stuff.

Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 15 2023 3:58 utc | 405

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 15 2023 2:32 utc | 199
I could be mistaken but someone here , sometime ago , said that a NATO 155mm can pack up to double -4x the walloping power of a Russian 152mm. Apparently those 3 mm are critical to explosive content. The poster seemed clever , informed and unbiased to me.
I also heard that Smoothbore gives longer range, but rifled barrels are more accurate.
Happy to be corrected by someone who was in artillery and really knows his stuff.

Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 15 2023 3:58 utc | 406

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 15 2023 2:32 utc | 199
I could be mistaken but someone here , sometime ago , said that a NATO 155mm can pack up to double -4x the walloping power of a Russian 152mm. Apparently those 3 mm are critical to explosive content. The poster seemed clever , informed and unbiased to me.
I also heard that Smoothbore gives longer range, but rifled barrels are more accurate.
Happy to be corrected by someone who was in artillery and really knows his stuff.

Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 15 2023 3:59 utc | 407

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 15 2023 2:32 utc | 199
I could be mistaken but someone here , sometime ago , said that a NATO 155mm can pack up to double -4x the walloping power of a Russian 152mm. Apparently those 3 mm are critical to explosive content. The poster seemed clever , informed and unbiased to me.
I also heard that Smoothbore gives longer range, but rifled barrels are more accurate.
Happy to be corrected by someone who was in artillery and really knows his stuff.

Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 15 2023 3:59 utc | 408

“The West’s rejection of God will destroy it.
Meanwhile Putin sits on a vast expanse of practicing Islam inside the Russian Federation. He should consolidate his religious reforms in Russia by extending them to the whole Muslim area in his sphere of influence.
USUKIS be very afraid. Your civilization would collapse even at the thought of such an anti-crusade. Queen Liz and Henry VIII already spinning in their graves
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 15 2023 2:14 utc | 195
The West’s destruction of the nuclear family, in which religion did play a part in the past in terms of setting norms and expectations for people’s behaviour, is the core element of Western degradation. Unfortunately religion is also a business and the keys to that kingdom are closely guarded and challengers will meet with very stiff resistance. Old testament style resistance if necessary as we have seen in recent years in the case of the manipulations of Islam by those who learned how to perform that trick quite some time ago.
Not so different really to deals cut between heads of organized criminal syndicates. Politicians and the Sheiks of Araby have some many things in common. Self interest at the top of the list.
Now back to the West and the nuclear family for a moment. It seems to me the rich can’t even stand the idea that a family is an independent unit that can operate somewhat autonomously, separate in some ways from the reach of the syndicate that seeks control of …well, destiny.
On the subject of destroying family units / cohesion, I would cite something I learned approx a decade ago. In the Western country where I live, 40% of all new court cases were in Family Court. That means families breaking apart and the Justice Industry inserting itself as arbitrator to decide the fate of these people including the children.
Full Stop. Like a property settlement adjudicated by the learned practitioners of the Law.
It’s a very profitable industry btw, and certainly would give a nice boost to Western countries GDP figures. Apparently greed is #3 of the 7 deadly sins, but religious beliefs in Western society are like the “Rules based order”, they keep changing depending on what is expedient.
Lastly, I don’t mind if you tag my posts like one of the blogs new bullies wrote to you recently. I find that kind of bullying most distasteful. In my humble opinion you have a right to express yourself on an open blog and quite simply, to be you if you’re not trying to do harm to anyone. I haven’t seen anything in your post to indicate that, so ignore the ever barking Chihuahua would be my advice and challenge his soap box performances if you so choose.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 15 2023 4:02 utc | 409

“The West’s rejection of God will destroy it.
Meanwhile Putin sits on a vast expanse of practicing Islam inside the Russian Federation. He should consolidate his religious reforms in Russia by extending them to the whole Muslim area in his sphere of influence.
USUKIS be very afraid. Your civilization would collapse even at the thought of such an anti-crusade. Queen Liz and Henry VIII already spinning in their graves
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 15 2023 2:14 utc | 195
The West’s destruction of the nuclear family, in which religion did play a part in the past in terms of setting norms and expectations for people’s behaviour, is the core element of Western degradation. Unfortunately religion is also a business and the keys to that kingdom are closely guarded and challengers will meet with very stiff resistance. Old testament style resistance if necessary as we have seen in recent years in the case of the manipulations of Islam by those who learned how to perform that trick quite some time ago.
Not so different really to deals cut between heads of organized criminal syndicates. Politicians and the Sheiks of Araby have some many things in common. Self interest at the top of the list.
Now back to the West and the nuclear family for a moment. It seems to me the rich can’t even stand the idea that a family is an independent unit that can operate somewhat autonomously, separate in some ways from the reach of the syndicate that seeks control of …well, destiny.
On the subject of destroying family units / cohesion, I would cite something I learned approx a decade ago. In the Western country where I live, 40% of all new court cases were in Family Court. That means families breaking apart and the Justice Industry inserting itself as arbitrator to decide the fate of these people including the children.
Full Stop. Like a property settlement adjudicated by the learned practitioners of the Law.
It’s a very profitable industry btw, and certainly would give a nice boost to Western countries GDP figures. Apparently greed is #3 of the 7 deadly sins, but religious beliefs in Western society are like the “Rules based order”, they keep changing depending on what is expedient.
Lastly, I don’t mind if you tag my posts like one of the blogs new bullies wrote to you recently. I find that kind of bullying most distasteful. In my humble opinion you have a right to express yourself on an open blog and quite simply, to be you if you’re not trying to do harm to anyone. I haven’t seen anything in your post to indicate that, so ignore the ever barking Chihuahua would be my advice and challenge his soap box performances if you so choose.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 15 2023 4:02 utc | 410

@ Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2023 1:50 utc | 192 who says Russia is going to win from a defensive position
Good to see you are still breathing and sharing your perspective with the bar again.
I say that shock and awe are not the Russia way and the SMO is defensive of the oblasts that asked for protection. Russia has established itself to meat grinder the nazi military folks and their/NATO equipment. They are also taking out incoming ordinance and collections of command/control in Ukraine……I wonder if NATO is operating more from outside Ukraine given the NATO bigwig losses we don’t know about?
When does projecting defense become offense?…grin….Russia has not taken control of all the oblast territory yet and then there is the NATO in Poland issue…..lets hope empire crashes before Russia has to invade Poland to complete its SMO.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15 2023 4:23 utc | 411

@ Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2023 1:50 utc | 192 who says Russia is going to win from a defensive position
Good to see you are still breathing and sharing your perspective with the bar again.
I say that shock and awe are not the Russia way and the SMO is defensive of the oblasts that asked for protection. Russia has established itself to meat grinder the nazi military folks and their/NATO equipment. They are also taking out incoming ordinance and collections of command/control in Ukraine……I wonder if NATO is operating more from outside Ukraine given the NATO bigwig losses we don’t know about?
When does projecting defense become offense?…grin….Russia has not taken control of all the oblast territory yet and then there is the NATO in Poland issue…..lets hope empire crashes before Russia has to invade Poland to complete its SMO.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15 2023 4:23 utc | 412

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 15 2023 2:14 utc | 195
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 15 2023 2:16 utc | 197
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Go join the Taliban.
Go preach in a Madrassa.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 15 2023 4:23 utc | 413

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 15 2023 2:14 utc | 195
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 15 2023 2:16 utc | 197
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Go join the Taliban.
Go preach in a Madrassa.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 15 2023 4:23 utc | 414

Happy to be corrected by someone who was in artillery and really knows his stuff.
Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 15 2023 3:58 utc | 206
You will find, on this forum and every other, that even a bunch of people who were “in artillery and really knows their stuff” will often give you diametrically opposite assertions on the points that actually matter. I’d bet a career artilleryman would disagree with a professor of ballistics on many key things. Science, even Engineering, transmutes into Religion …
(Aside: This is why, as SCCC pointed out, I don’t follow many arguments up to the end. There is no “end” when even facts that should be basic are in constant contention by the experts. Sometimes one just has to wait for Time to reveal who really was bullshitting all along …)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 15 2023 4:33 utc | 415

Happy to be corrected by someone who was in artillery and really knows his stuff.
Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 15 2023 3:58 utc | 206
You will find, on this forum and every other, that even a bunch of people who were “in artillery and really knows their stuff” will often give you diametrically opposite assertions on the points that actually matter. I’d bet a career artilleryman would disagree with a professor of ballistics on many key things. Science, even Engineering, transmutes into Religion …
(Aside: This is why, as SCCC pointed out, I don’t follow many arguments up to the end. There is no “end” when even facts that should be basic are in constant contention by the experts. Sometimes one just has to wait for Time to reveal who really was bullshitting all along …)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 15 2023 4:33 utc | 416

Re: Posted by: Down South | Sep 14 2023 16:01 utc | 43

Our source reports that the entire Ukrainian elite is waiting for the UN General Assembly and Zelensky’s trip to the United States.
Everyone will be watching closely:
1) Ze meetings (official/backstage)
2) rhetoric
3) the result of the trip (will there be any real goodies or just promises and idle talk
4) press interest in Ze and what publications will be published. What questions will they ask him? Many are confident that the Western press will be more interested in large-scale corruption in Ukraine, against the backdrop of a failed offensive.
5) will there be a meeting with Biden?
If the trip as a whole is a “failure”, “empty”, then this will be the last signal from the West that Zelensky has played out a tool (leaked by Ze).
Among all our sources, more than 65% support the option that the trip as a whole will be “empty.”
https://t.me/legitimniy/16254

We heard almost EXACTLY THE SANE stuff a year ago when Zelensky was on his way to the General Assembly – that Ukraine was “on its last legs” and ready to collapse due to the imminent Russian Winter offensive of 2022-23.
Turned out to all be an absolute load of hopium bollocks.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 15 2023 4:38 utc | 417

Re: Posted by: Down South | Sep 14 2023 16:01 utc | 43

Our source reports that the entire Ukrainian elite is waiting for the UN General Assembly and Zelensky’s trip to the United States.
Everyone will be watching closely:
1) Ze meetings (official/backstage)
2) rhetoric
3) the result of the trip (will there be any real goodies or just promises and idle talk
4) press interest in Ze and what publications will be published. What questions will they ask him? Many are confident that the Western press will be more interested in large-scale corruption in Ukraine, against the backdrop of a failed offensive.
5) will there be a meeting with Biden?
If the trip as a whole is a “failure”, “empty”, then this will be the last signal from the West that Zelensky has played out a tool (leaked by Ze).
Among all our sources, more than 65% support the option that the trip as a whole will be “empty.”
https://t.me/legitimniy/16254

We heard almost EXACTLY THE SANE stuff a year ago when Zelensky was on his way to the General Assembly – that Ukraine was “on its last legs” and ready to collapse due to the imminent Russian Winter offensive of 2022-23.
Turned out to all be an absolute load of hopium bollocks.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 15 2023 4:38 utc | 418

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 15 2023 2:14 utc | 195
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I will be impressed when Putin solves Russia’s demographic issues by finally supporting Polygyny. There is historical precedent in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Marriage is always preferable to casual sex. With marriage, there is an opportunity for family formation. Casual sex seems like an evolutionary dead end. The statistical trends seem to corroborate that.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 15 2023 4:45 utc | 419

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 15 2023 2:14 utc | 195
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I will be impressed when Putin solves Russia’s demographic issues by finally supporting Polygyny. There is historical precedent in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Marriage is always preferable to casual sex. With marriage, there is an opportunity for family formation. Casual sex seems like an evolutionary dead end. The statistical trends seem to corroborate that.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 15 2023 4:45 utc | 420

bubbles | Sep 15 2023 4:02 utc | 208
You completely missed my point back then. What Giyane does, and I could reference over a dozen of such posts in the last few weeks since he has appeared, is to tag a name, write ONE relevance sentence, and then go off on a long totally disconnected, OT theological rant that may as well be to any of his “infidels” on the site. He just did it to Constantine at 195 about Constantine’s post at 182 which had NOTHING to do with Giyane’s response. Giyane is just spouting from a pulpit and IMO should be called out on it.
Btw, so-called free speech is neither absolute nor should it be devoid of situational appropriateness and self awareness (ie, religious bigotry). You’ve called my posts distasteful. Well, my friend, I find his ranty posts distasteful.
And now all you’ve done in your 208 is encourage him to spew forth more OT and theological nonsense again. You watch!

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 15 2023 4:49 utc | 421

bubbles | Sep 15 2023 4:02 utc | 208
You completely missed my point back then. What Giyane does, and I could reference over a dozen of such posts in the last few weeks since he has appeared, is to tag a name, write ONE relevance sentence, and then go off on a long totally disconnected, OT theological rant that may as well be to any of his “infidels” on the site. He just did it to Constantine at 195 about Constantine’s post at 182 which had NOTHING to do with Giyane’s response. Giyane is just spouting from a pulpit and IMO should be called out on it.
Btw, so-called free speech is neither absolute nor should it be devoid of situational appropriateness and self awareness (ie, religious bigotry). You’ve called my posts distasteful. Well, my friend, I find his ranty posts distasteful.
And now all you’ve done in your 208 is encourage him to spew forth more OT and theological nonsense again. You watch!

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 15 2023 4:49 utc | 422

Happy to PeterAU’s return. I also want to step in here and remind everyone that one of the main reasons for the US-sponsored coup in Ukraine was to peel Crimea away from Russia, thereby shutting down its Black Sea fleeting, cutting its access to the Mediterranean and—most importantly—its direct line to Syria.
Russia’s intervention in Syria was seen as an imperative for F/uk/US+Izzies to rob the Russians of their power to interfere in the US/Israeli/NATOstani destabilization and wars-of-choice in the Middle East and further abroad. The US simply didn’t anticipate that Russia would be so bold in making such a direct and shamelessly public move to take Crimea back.
Of course Russia’s move was perfectly legal-more legal and totally peaceful in comparison to what the US did in Yugoslavia and Kosovo—but the Neocons and their oligarch backers were simply caught flat footed and totally unawares because of the conspicuous stupidity and incompetence that currently typifies the US and NATOstani leadership.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 15 2023 4:55 utc | 423

Happy to PeterAU’s return. I also want to step in here and remind everyone that one of the main reasons for the US-sponsored coup in Ukraine was to peel Crimea away from Russia, thereby shutting down its Black Sea fleeting, cutting its access to the Mediterranean and—most importantly—its direct line to Syria.
Russia’s intervention in Syria was seen as an imperative for F/uk/US+Izzies to rob the Russians of their power to interfere in the US/Israeli/NATOstani destabilization and wars-of-choice in the Middle East and further abroad. The US simply didn’t anticipate that Russia would be so bold in making such a direct and shamelessly public move to take Crimea back.
Of course Russia’s move was perfectly legal-more legal and totally peaceful in comparison to what the US did in Yugoslavia and Kosovo—but the Neocons and their oligarch backers were simply caught flat footed and totally unawares because of the conspicuous stupidity and incompetence that currently typifies the US and NATOstani leadership.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 15 2023 4:55 utc | 424

Posted by: Julian | Sep 15 2023 4:38 utc | 212

that Ukraine was “on its last legs” and ready to collapse due to the imminent Russian Winter offensive of 2022-23.
Turned out to all be an absolute load of hopium bollocks.

Depends on your definition of “collapsed”.
You will find that just because a State has “collapsed” it does not mean it’s resistance to foreign occupation has ceased.
Ukraine collapsed months ago.
It no longer functions as a state without the life-support system of billions of inflow from the West.
Pull that lifeline and the whole Ukrainian Blow-Up Doll sags into nothingness.

Some examples:
– Yemen: Collapsed State. Yet the Houthi continue to be lethal to the West and Saudi Arabia
– Lebanon: For all intents, a collapsed state, yet still lethal to ‘israel’ and it’s Amero-Zionist backers.
– Somalia: Collapsed not long ago. Still lethal to U.S forces (Black Hawk Down?)
– Transdniestria: Essentially a collapsed place-holder entity that nobody has the balls to touch
– Syria: Collapsed in parts, with the State intact in other part of the country. At any time lethal to U.S occupying forces in the oil-rich areas.
– Libya: Collapsed. Still able to give rise to the Benghazi incident.
Ukraine is worse of than all of these, for while all these entities have nowhere to go but “up” towards unification, Ukraine is a dead end: It’s the end of the road for the Ukraine as we knew it …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 15 2023 4:55 utc | 425

Posted by: Julian | Sep 15 2023 4:38 utc | 212

that Ukraine was “on its last legs” and ready to collapse due to the imminent Russian Winter offensive of 2022-23.
Turned out to all be an absolute load of hopium bollocks.

Depends on your definition of “collapsed”.
You will find that just because a State has “collapsed” it does not mean it’s resistance to foreign occupation has ceased.
Ukraine collapsed months ago.
It no longer functions as a state without the life-support system of billions of inflow from the West.
Pull that lifeline and the whole Ukrainian Blow-Up Doll sags into nothingness.

Some examples:
– Yemen: Collapsed State. Yet the Houthi continue to be lethal to the West and Saudi Arabia
– Lebanon: For all intents, a collapsed state, yet still lethal to ‘israel’ and it’s Amero-Zionist backers.
– Somalia: Collapsed not long ago. Still lethal to U.S forces (Black Hawk Down?)
– Transdniestria: Essentially a collapsed place-holder entity that nobody has the balls to touch
– Syria: Collapsed in parts, with the State intact in other part of the country. At any time lethal to U.S occupying forces in the oil-rich areas.
– Libya: Collapsed. Still able to give rise to the Benghazi incident.
Ukraine is worse of than all of these, for while all these entities have nowhere to go but “up” towards unification, Ukraine is a dead end: It’s the end of the road for the Ukraine as we knew it …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 15 2023 4:55 utc | 426

peterau1@192, lovely to hear your voice once more. blessings. stay well, please, you have been missed & your rational pov is essential.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Sep 15 2023 5:01 utc | 427

peterau1@192, lovely to hear your voice once more. blessings. stay well, please, you have been missed & your rational pov is essential.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Sep 15 2023 5:01 utc | 428

@Peter AU1 | Sep 14 2023 22:50 utc | 141
Welcome back!

The Americans want Sevastopol which will give them control of the black sea. US embassy in Ukraine had a tender out for upgrades to buildings at the naval base after there successful regime change operation.

If I remember correctly, this was almost exactly 10 years ago in 2013. I believe the tender was from the US military.
This was about 6 months before the Maidan coup in 2014.

Hence the sacrifice of the Ukrainians as cannon fodder and flocks of sheep to clear minefields.

Very much so.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 5:18 utc | 429

@Peter AU1 | Sep 14 2023 22:50 utc | 141
Welcome back!

The Americans want Sevastopol which will give them control of the black sea. US embassy in Ukraine had a tender out for upgrades to buildings at the naval base after there successful regime change operation.

If I remember correctly, this was almost exactly 10 years ago in 2013. I believe the tender was from the US military.
This was about 6 months before the Maidan coup in 2014.

Hence the sacrifice of the Ukrainians as cannon fodder and flocks of sheep to clear minefields.

Very much so.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 5:18 utc | 430

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 5:18 utc | 218
I find it interessting that mostly only control of the black sea is mentioned in connection with the Crimea and Sevastopol. But I think there is more to it – through the street of Kerch there would also be control of the Azov sea an not least the Kaspian sea which is connected through channels and the river Don to the Azov sea an thus needs to pass the street of Kerch to get to the black sea and on. And who ever sits in Crimea has control of the Street of Kerch.
I think if the US had been able it would been able to get on the Crimea they would not only been able to harass Russia and but also Iran and the other countries neibhoring the Caspian sea.

Posted by: Fran | Sep 15 2023 5:26 utc | 431

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 5:18 utc | 218
I find it interessting that mostly only control of the black sea is mentioned in connection with the Crimea and Sevastopol. But I think there is more to it – through the street of Kerch there would also be control of the Azov sea an not least the Kaspian sea which is connected through channels and the river Don to the Azov sea an thus needs to pass the street of Kerch to get to the black sea and on. And who ever sits in Crimea has control of the Street of Kerch.
I think if the US had been able it would been able to get on the Crimea they would not only been able to harass Russia and but also Iran and the other countries neibhoring the Caspian sea.

Posted by: Fran | Sep 15 2023 5:26 utc | 432

I’ll reiterate basically what I’ve said before, while noting that b’s original post would mean that my speculation has to evolve to match the reality on the ground.
I’ve said or implied that I could imagine the Russian military employing a strategy of making weak feints, feints, and strong feints, along with grabbing useful bits of ground here and there. Nothing makes an army’s feints more ominous than the actual assaults that they can at times evolve into.
This is a blood and guts war, but there’s a reason that the more cerebral of real time strategy games rely heavily on resource management. The people who play those games know more of history than the average person, crave some realism, and understand how employing forces in real life, or in a game that strives for realism, is utterly dependent on several factors in supplying them.
Before I forget, I’ve been thinking for a while that the importance of artillery barrels, and trained crews, has been getting a bit under reported on. While Russia hasn’t a shortage of either at the moment, being able to greatly increase the amount of artillery that could be deployed would help a lot were Russia to eventually make large scale advances across wide swathes of the map, and up and down a very long line of contact.
North Korea might be sending artillery as well as shells. And the AFU suffering proportionally higher losses of trained artillery crews is imo likely to play out as a bigger and bigger factor in future artillery duels. Russia having a wealth of artillery people, with an enormous amount of experience with which to train new crews, gives Russia the ability to rapidly expand its artillery forces.
During muddy season Russia will try to press its advantages in drones, artillery, and missiles. And I think they might also start bringing up a lot of artillery pieces, and positioning them behind the lines, in areas that they’ll later begin operating in maneuver warfare from.
Every breakthrough Russia makes in the North, the AFU will have to respond to. Every preparation for a feint that the AFU can’t plausibly defend against represents an opportunity for an actual assault. Every likely strong assault that Russia prepares to make will be matched by the AFU being compelled to stockpile fuel and ammo so as to meet it, and thus represent an opportunity for Russia to take that out.
In other words, I see Russia as preparing to make this more and more a war of resource management (for the time being), and not of “King of the Hill”, where the most fanatical and Berserker like forces will dominate the line of contact, and thus win the day, the battle, and the war.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Sep 15 2023 5:36 utc | 433

I’ll reiterate basically what I’ve said before, while noting that b’s original post would mean that my speculation has to evolve to match the reality on the ground.
I’ve said or implied that I could imagine the Russian military employing a strategy of making weak feints, feints, and strong feints, along with grabbing useful bits of ground here and there. Nothing makes an army’s feints more ominous than the actual assaults that they can at times evolve into.
This is a blood and guts war, but there’s a reason that the more cerebral of real time strategy games rely heavily on resource management. The people who play those games know more of history than the average person, crave some realism, and understand how employing forces in real life, or in a game that strives for realism, is utterly dependent on several factors in supplying them.
Before I forget, I’ve been thinking for a while that the importance of artillery barrels, and trained crews, has been getting a bit under reported on. While Russia hasn’t a shortage of either at the moment, being able to greatly increase the amount of artillery that could be deployed would help a lot were Russia to eventually make large scale advances across wide swathes of the map, and up and down a very long line of contact.
North Korea might be sending artillery as well as shells. And the AFU suffering proportionally higher losses of trained artillery crews is imo likely to play out as a bigger and bigger factor in future artillery duels. Russia having a wealth of artillery people, with an enormous amount of experience with which to train new crews, gives Russia the ability to rapidly expand its artillery forces.
During muddy season Russia will try to press its advantages in drones, artillery, and missiles. And I think they might also start bringing up a lot of artillery pieces, and positioning them behind the lines, in areas that they’ll later begin operating in maneuver warfare from.
Every breakthrough Russia makes in the North, the AFU will have to respond to. Every preparation for a feint that the AFU can’t plausibly defend against represents an opportunity for an actual assault. Every likely strong assault that Russia prepares to make will be matched by the AFU being compelled to stockpile fuel and ammo so as to meet it, and thus represent an opportunity for Russia to take that out.
In other words, I see Russia as preparing to make this more and more a war of resource management (for the time being), and not of “King of the Hill”, where the most fanatical and Berserker like forces will dominate the line of contact, and thus win the day, the battle, and the war.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Sep 15 2023 5:36 utc | 434

@AG | Sep 15 2023 0:31 utc | 173

I dont want to test how accurate the climate models are.

Why not? Are you not interested in the objective truth?

Because if there is the slightest truth to them (I am addressing people who think its mostly a hoax) we are fucked.

The good news is that they originate from the same group that is behind the Ukraine war. They don’t want you to have access to reasonably priced energy, or else their ideas of a new feudal system might fail.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 5:38 utc | 435

@AG | Sep 15 2023 0:31 utc | 173

I dont want to test how accurate the climate models are.

Why not? Are you not interested in the objective truth?

Because if there is the slightest truth to them (I am addressing people who think its mostly a hoax) we are fucked.

The good news is that they originate from the same group that is behind the Ukraine war. They don’t want you to have access to reasonably priced energy, or else their ideas of a new feudal system might fail.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 5:38 utc | 436

I find it interessting that mostly only control of the black sea is mentioned in connection with the Crimea and Sevastopol.
Posted by: Fran | Sep 15 2023 5:26 utc | 219

Yes. The Black Sea connects the Danube to the Volga by way of the Volga-Don Canal.
The navigable watershed is enormous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga%E2%80%93Don_Canal

Posted by: too scents | Sep 15 2023 5:42 utc | 437

I find it interessting that mostly only control of the black sea is mentioned in connection with the Crimea and Sevastopol.
Posted by: Fran | Sep 15 2023 5:26 utc | 219

Yes. The Black Sea connects the Danube to the Volga by way of the Volga-Don Canal.
The navigable watershed is enormous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga%E2%80%93Don_Canal

Posted by: too scents | Sep 15 2023 5:42 utc | 438

Some observations:
Putin/Russia are escalating just not in a kinetic direct manner against the west, they are escalating in unconventional ways, the latest escalation(as viewed by the West) is increased contact/ties with North Korea. This is actually a huge act as it may open the door for NK to emerge from the isolation the US has put in for the last 20 or so years. No doubt South Korea and Japan are nervous about this latest act as they are the two countries the most likely targets of any North Korean aggression, especially the South Koreans, they aren’t as dumb as Taiwan, Japan, Ukraine. They know exactly that they are proxy meat for the grinder and they want to get out of that position. Even though it wasn’t announced it looks like Russia wants to create strategic ties to North Korea. Kim Jong Un seems to be one of the big winners of this whole Ukraine situation, he may be looking at a path out of isolation while also being a nuclear weapons power, lucky SOB. Conversely South Korea and the US entire strategy around isolating North Korea and forcing regime change seems to be fading quickly and SK will have to make a strategic painful decision either way. Makes me wonder if this was the reason Trump wanted to strike a deal with NK, some in the US power circles are kicking themselves right now as an agreement with NK would have removed this card from the Russians.
The US has nothing to respond against this strategic escalation by Putin and it can’t offer South Korea anything really except empty air, forcing the South Koreans to make a strategic decision. Cooperate with Russia in some way or at the very least stay out of the way or face a Ukraine like proxy fate, same bind China already has them in. This is the same position Russia has put Israel in via Syria/Iran.
It pays to look at this conflict in strategic terms, it looks like Russia started the ball rolling in 2014 with the Crimea decision, then 2015 with the Syria decision, etc.
Putin/Russia may be escalating just not in the way some are expecting.

Posted by: fox48 | Sep 15 2023 5:48 utc | 439

Some observations:
Putin/Russia are escalating just not in a kinetic direct manner against the west, they are escalating in unconventional ways, the latest escalation(as viewed by the West) is increased contact/ties with North Korea. This is actually a huge act as it may open the door for NK to emerge from the isolation the US has put in for the last 20 or so years. No doubt South Korea and Japan are nervous about this latest act as they are the two countries the most likely targets of any North Korean aggression, especially the South Koreans, they aren’t as dumb as Taiwan, Japan, Ukraine. They know exactly that they are proxy meat for the grinder and they want to get out of that position. Even though it wasn’t announced it looks like Russia wants to create strategic ties to North Korea. Kim Jong Un seems to be one of the big winners of this whole Ukraine situation, he may be looking at a path out of isolation while also being a nuclear weapons power, lucky SOB. Conversely South Korea and the US entire strategy around isolating North Korea and forcing regime change seems to be fading quickly and SK will have to make a strategic painful decision either way. Makes me wonder if this was the reason Trump wanted to strike a deal with NK, some in the US power circles are kicking themselves right now as an agreement with NK would have removed this card from the Russians.
The US has nothing to respond against this strategic escalation by Putin and it can’t offer South Korea anything really except empty air, forcing the South Koreans to make a strategic decision. Cooperate with Russia in some way or at the very least stay out of the way or face a Ukraine like proxy fate, same bind China already has them in. This is the same position Russia has put Israel in via Syria/Iran.
It pays to look at this conflict in strategic terms, it looks like Russia started the ball rolling in 2014 with the Crimea decision, then 2015 with the Syria decision, etc.
Putin/Russia may be escalating just not in the way some are expecting.

Posted by: fox48 | Sep 15 2023 5:48 utc | 440

@fox48 | Sep 15 2023 5:48 utc | 223

It pays to look at this conflict in strategic terms, it looks like Russia started the ball rolling in 2014 with the Crimea decision, then 2015 with the Syria decision, etc.
Putin/Russia may be escalating just not in the way some are expecting.

Crimea in 2014 was a defensive response to the aggressive US coup in Ukraine in February 2014. Syria in 2015 was defensive response help on the request of Syria after the US led attacks on Syria since 2011 and especially the ISIS “freedom fighters” that popped up from nowhere and threatened to take Damascus.
These are not examples of something “Russia started” or “Russian escalation”.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 6:03 utc | 441

@fox48 | Sep 15 2023 5:48 utc | 223

It pays to look at this conflict in strategic terms, it looks like Russia started the ball rolling in 2014 with the Crimea decision, then 2015 with the Syria decision, etc.
Putin/Russia may be escalating just not in the way some are expecting.

Crimea in 2014 was a defensive response to the aggressive US coup in Ukraine in February 2014. Syria in 2015 was defensive response help on the request of Syria after the US led attacks on Syria since 2011 and especially the ISIS “freedom fighters” that popped up from nowhere and threatened to take Damascus.
These are not examples of something “Russia started” or “Russian escalation”.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 6:03 utc | 442

Posted by: fox48 | Sep 15 2023 5:48 utc | 223
Yes, and I can’t help but to note that if North Korea provides a bump to Russia’s existing advantage with artillery, that would be a heck of a bookend to America having twisted South Korea’s arm to provide it with shells, so it could then send more of America’s inventory to Ukraine.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Sep 15 2023 6:04 utc | 443

Posted by: fox48 | Sep 15 2023 5:48 utc | 223
Yes, and I can’t help but to note that if North Korea provides a bump to Russia’s existing advantage with artillery, that would be a heck of a bookend to America having twisted South Korea’s arm to provide it with shells, so it could then send more of America’s inventory to Ukraine.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Sep 15 2023 6:04 utc | 444

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 15 2023 4:55 utc | 215
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 5:18 utc | 218
Posted by: Fran | Sep 15 2023 5:26 utc | 219
Posted by: too scents | Sep 15 2023 5:42 utc | 222
… one of the main reasons for the US-sponsored coup in Ukraine was to peel Crimea away from Russia, thereby shutting down its Black Sea fleeting, cutting its access to the Mediterranean and—most importantly—its direct line to Syria.
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What is all this nonsense about the US/NATO planning/hoping to steal back Crimea AND FURTHER inland to the Caspian Sea! All now a pipe dream from < 2021. Does any bozo in NATO or US military seriously think that is remotely feasible, now? Attack Russia into its mainland? Sheesh. 🙄 The present Ukr/NATO actions upon Crimea are also a crazy Kiev pipedream -- or else just an op they had in the cupboard for after their Greatest Offensive in June succeeded. It's now just a legacy ploy. They're just showing off. What good would Crimea be to them if they can't even cut to Melitopol and evict RF from Kherson and Zap Objasts. It's pure fantasy thinking.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 15 2023 6:09 utc | 445

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 15 2023 4:55 utc | 215
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 5:18 utc | 218
Posted by: Fran | Sep 15 2023 5:26 utc | 219
Posted by: too scents | Sep 15 2023 5:42 utc | 222
… one of the main reasons for the US-sponsored coup in Ukraine was to peel Crimea away from Russia, thereby shutting down its Black Sea fleeting, cutting its access to the Mediterranean and—most importantly—its direct line to Syria.
####
What is all this nonsense about the US/NATO planning/hoping to steal back Crimea AND FURTHER inland to the Caspian Sea! All now a pipe dream from < 2021. Does any bozo in NATO or US military seriously think that is remotely feasible, now? Attack Russia into its mainland? Sheesh. 🙄 The present Ukr/NATO actions upon Crimea are also a crazy Kiev pipedream -- or else just an op they had in the cupboard for after their Greatest Offensive in June succeeded. It's now just a legacy ploy. They're just showing off. What good would Crimea be to them if they can't even cut to Melitopol and evict RF from Kherson and Zap Objasts. It's pure fantasy thinking.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 15 2023 6:09 utc | 446

Sure, if NK can provide more shells why not? It gets them involved as a supplier and also brings in the potential to bring in other players into the war which is something the United States does not want. Even NK observers on the front lines would be something Kim and the NK military would probably be interested in as the newer generations of the NK military have not actually seen/experienced wide scale actual combat. I don’t think the Russian military actually needs the shells in any significant way.
This NK move by Russia is going to put pressure on the US alliance via South Korea and will further force the “China is the real threat faction” to scream even louder in DC, this will drive a wedge among Western elites. Again SK is not Japan or Taiwan they view themselves as independent of the US and are not interested in becoming proxy meat including their elite class, in this way they are much like Israel.
This NK move is strategic escalation by Putin/Russia, in a war which this is on various levels, one must take offensive and defensive actions. This is a big card which Putin has played , we just can’t see the effects right now.

Posted by: fox48 | Sep 15 2023 6:15 utc | 447

Sure, if NK can provide more shells why not? It gets them involved as a supplier and also brings in the potential to bring in other players into the war which is something the United States does not want. Even NK observers on the front lines would be something Kim and the NK military would probably be interested in as the newer generations of the NK military have not actually seen/experienced wide scale actual combat. I don’t think the Russian military actually needs the shells in any significant way.
This NK move by Russia is going to put pressure on the US alliance via South Korea and will further force the “China is the real threat faction” to scream even louder in DC, this will drive a wedge among Western elites. Again SK is not Japan or Taiwan they view themselves as independent of the US and are not interested in becoming proxy meat including their elite class, in this way they are much like Israel.
This NK move is strategic escalation by Putin/Russia, in a war which this is on various levels, one must take offensive and defensive actions. This is a big card which Putin has played , we just can’t see the effects right now.

Posted by: fox48 | Sep 15 2023 6:15 utc | 448

@SCCC | Sep 15 2023 6:09 utc | 226
The US/NATO gearbox is stuck in “Drive”. They have no reverse gear. They will move forward and over the cliff.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 6:15 utc | 449

@SCCC | Sep 15 2023 6:09 utc | 226
The US/NATO gearbox is stuck in “Drive”. They have no reverse gear. They will move forward and over the cliff.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 6:15 utc | 450

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 6:03 utc | 224
Wasn’t Sevastopol a “friendly” RF/Ukraine lease arrangement after 1991, and which Poroshenko had threatened to end. I just love Putin’s response — “Fuck that. We’ll take the lot, then”! Lol. And the people agreed. Duh.
That single ploy shows just how awake and ahead of everyone else’s game Putin is. Hence what we’ll see tomorrow will be something the MoD has had mapped out for years. Gotta love that maskirovka.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 15 2023 6:18 utc | 451

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2023 6:03 utc | 224
Wasn’t Sevastopol a “friendly” RF/Ukraine lease arrangement after 1991, and which Poroshenko had threatened to end. I just love Putin’s response — “Fuck that. We’ll take the lot, then”! Lol. And the people agreed. Duh.
That single ploy shows just how awake and ahead of everyone else’s game Putin is. Hence what we’ll see tomorrow will be something the MoD has had mapped out for years. Gotta love that maskirovka.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 15 2023 6:18 utc | 452

Peter AU1 @ 143.
Bloody great to see you back.

Posted by: Sisofia | Sep 15 2023 6:37 utc | 453

Peter AU1 @ 143.
Bloody great to see you back.

Posted by: Sisofia | Sep 15 2023 6:37 utc | 454

Posted by: JimG | Sep 14 2023 16:08 utc | 48

… these missiles should not have hit
Russia’s key Black Sea Naval base, and the multiple S-34s that launched the missiles should have been shot down….

ridiculous!!!!!
since when does ukraine have su-34 in its inventory?

Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 15 2023 6:38 utc | 455

Posted by: JimG | Sep 14 2023 16:08 utc | 48

… these missiles should not have hit
Russia’s key Black Sea Naval base, and the multiple S-34s that launched the missiles should have been shot down….

ridiculous!!!!!
since when does ukraine have su-34 in its inventory?

Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 15 2023 6:38 utc | 456

In fact there is only one 155mm ammon manufacturing plant left in the US, located, yup, you guessed it in Joey’s hometown of Scranton Pa. Huge limited bottleneck here………
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 14 2023 14:36 utc | 15

Perhaps last year on the nightly news, they showed a short clip of that 155mm plant. I was shocked – because the machine tools and processes were straight out of the 1920s. Labor hours must be sky high. Quality must be abysmal.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 15 2023 6:53 utc | 457

In fact there is only one 155mm ammon manufacturing plant left in the US, located, yup, you guessed it in Joey’s hometown of Scranton Pa. Huge limited bottleneck here………
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 14 2023 14:36 utc | 15

Perhaps last year on the nightly news, they showed a short clip of that 155mm plant. I was shocked – because the machine tools and processes were straight out of the 1920s. Labor hours must be sky high. Quality must be abysmal.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 15 2023 6:53 utc | 458

The IMF and creditors are demanding that President Zelensky and the National Bank raise the dollar exchange rate to 42 hryvnia this year so that Ukraine can continue to receive loans.
Moreover, the authorities do not hide the current situation: “We are concerned about the strengthening of the hryvnia. We do not have any fundamental factors for this. This is a minus about which we communicate with the NBU and the IMF,” Finance Minister Sergei Marchenko said recently.
At the same time, one must understand that now the hryvnia exchange rate is artificially lowered due to “quantitative easing” – the injection of Western money, which is actually loans.
And there is no doubt that the dollar will break the “bar” of 40 UAH/$ by the end of the year. For example, most Ukrainian developers, when setting prices on the primary housing market, are already setting the rate at 42 UAH/$, and the market is only held back from further price increases by the lack of demand for real estate in the country.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19667

Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2023 6:54 utc | 459

The IMF and creditors are demanding that President Zelensky and the National Bank raise the dollar exchange rate to 42 hryvnia this year so that Ukraine can continue to receive loans.
Moreover, the authorities do not hide the current situation: “We are concerned about the strengthening of the hryvnia. We do not have any fundamental factors for this. This is a minus about which we communicate with the NBU and the IMF,” Finance Minister Sergei Marchenko said recently.
At the same time, one must understand that now the hryvnia exchange rate is artificially lowered due to “quantitative easing” – the injection of Western money, which is actually loans.
And there is no doubt that the dollar will break the “bar” of 40 UAH/$ by the end of the year. For example, most Ukrainian developers, when setting prices on the primary housing market, are already setting the rate at 42 UAH/$, and the market is only held back from further price increases by the lack of demand for real estate in the country.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19667

Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2023 6:54 utc | 460

The meeting between Zelensky and Biden is not as important as the result. If Zelensky is unable to take away a military aid package from the United States, which will include ATACMS missiles, then the result of the meeting can be considered negative or “empty” – source.
The negative one is rumors that Biden will persuade Zelensky to start freezing the conflict under the auspices of Washington in order to take credit for saving the world from World War III and bringing peace to Europe, and so on.
Empty – for show, Zelensky will be given a new package of weapons from the previously allocated billions. In total, they will simply announce the program, but this will not mean anything new.
And yes, if the United States does not transfer the ATACMS missiles, then Washington will stop raising the stakes in the game and begin a turn to a “soft dump” while it is still possible to get away with a good result by exchanging Ukraine for the Asian “Taiwan case.” Bidding is ongoing.
Let’s add. The only compelling argument that can really force Biden to leak the Ukrainian crisis is information that China is preparing for a Taiwan scenario in the coming year. If China, God forbid, starts it before Washington manages to freeze the Ukrainian crisis and before the US elections, then the Republicans will tear apart the Democrats and the entire Biden administration for a miscalculation and a possible “negotiation”.
We will understand a lot from Zelensky’s meeting with Joe.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16258

Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2023 6:56 utc | 461

The meeting between Zelensky and Biden is not as important as the result. If Zelensky is unable to take away a military aid package from the United States, which will include ATACMS missiles, then the result of the meeting can be considered negative or “empty” – source.
The negative one is rumors that Biden will persuade Zelensky to start freezing the conflict under the auspices of Washington in order to take credit for saving the world from World War III and bringing peace to Europe, and so on.
Empty – for show, Zelensky will be given a new package of weapons from the previously allocated billions. In total, they will simply announce the program, but this will not mean anything new.
And yes, if the United States does not transfer the ATACMS missiles, then Washington will stop raising the stakes in the game and begin a turn to a “soft dump” while it is still possible to get away with a good result by exchanging Ukraine for the Asian “Taiwan case.” Bidding is ongoing.
Let’s add. The only compelling argument that can really force Biden to leak the Ukrainian crisis is information that China is preparing for a Taiwan scenario in the coming year. If China, God forbid, starts it before Washington manages to freeze the Ukrainian crisis and before the US elections, then the Republicans will tear apart the Democrats and the entire Biden administration for a miscalculation and a possible “negotiation”.
We will understand a lot from Zelensky’s meeting with Joe.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16258

Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2023 6:56 utc | 462

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Why #Bakhmut is so Important for the AFU⚡️
🔹The importance of the #Bakhmut junction for the enemy is evident from the very dynamics of its offensive actions. We have already considered this issue, but from the point of view of our potential plans. Let’s try to consider the #Bakhmut (#Artyomovsk) direction from the enemy’s point of view.
🤚 The fact of the #Bakhmut capture by the forces of the Wagner PMC and the subsequent transfer of the liberated area to MoD units determined the activity of the AFU in this area for a long time. If we consider the configuration of our positions in the area of #Bakhmut, it is objectively unfavourable for the AFU to attack on the northern flank. The attempt to gain a foothold in the area of the #Berkhovskoye reservoir and to create pressure near Dubovo-Vasilyevka was not successful, as we still occupy the dominant heights, keeping under fire control the direction to Orekhovo-Vasilyevka. While three months ago units of the 56th Separate Mechanised Brigade occupied positions along the border of #Berkhovka, at the moment we have pushed them beyond the reservoir. Having pulled back, the enemy is trying to hold a bridgehead here with the forces of the 57th Mechanized Brigade.
▪️ The concentration of the AFU in the #Zheleznodorozhnoye section is also not high. Here are the 225th Battalion of the 127th Territorial Defence Brigade, 30th Mechanized Brigade, 27th Artillery Brigade, and the 8th Special Forces Regiment. This is explained by the fact that the enemy does not expect a counterattack from our side in this area, as well as the location 15 km northeast of the reserve grouping in #Seversk.
▪️ The southern flank, the strip #Kleshcheyevka – #Andreyevka – #Kurdyumovka was chosen as the direction of the main strike due to its favourable configuration, as well as the proximity of the Chasov Yar fortification, logistically tied to #Konstantinovka. It is the fact of uninterrupted logistics that allows the AFU to provide rotation of troops in this area in the shortest possible time, transferring fresh reserves. The situation on the southern flank of #Bakhmut has much in common with the situation in the #Zaporozhe (near #Rabotino) and Veliko-Novoselovskoye sections. Therefore, when we talk about the dynamics of the situation, which implies a constant transition of control over the positions from the enemy to us and vice versa, we should take into account that the defence forces are not only smaller in number, but are here virtually without rotation.
🇺🇦 As for the enemy’s objectives, it is obvious that they are divided into three components:
✅ Tactical – to create an exhausting effect by forcing us to hold a large in number grouping in #Bakhmut, while the southern section of the front is in dire need of reserves.
✅ Informational and propagandistic – to take revenge for the biggest defeat of this year. After all, if we set aside the emotions that accompany reports about the situation in #Rabotino and on the #Vremyevka ledge, the enemy, having been advancing for more than three months, cannot boast of territorial gains comparable to the loss of #Bakhmut.
✅ Operative – in case of failure of the southern flank of #Bakhmut, the AFU do not exclude the possibility of going on the offensive simultaneously in the #Soledar area, as well as from the direction of #Seversk in the direction of #Rubezhnoye, creating a threat of a flank strike to our units conducting offensive operations in the direction of #Yampol – #Torskoye.
📜 MultiXAM;

https://t.me/sitreports/15057

Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2023 6:58 utc | 463

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Why #Bakhmut is so Important for the AFU⚡️
🔹The importance of the #Bakhmut junction for the enemy is evident from the very dynamics of its offensive actions. We have already considered this issue, but from the point of view of our potential plans. Let’s try to consider the #Bakhmut (#Artyomovsk) direction from the enemy’s point of view.
🤚 The fact of the #Bakhmut capture by the forces of the Wagner PMC and the subsequent transfer of the liberated area to MoD units determined the activity of the AFU in this area for a long time. If we consider the configuration of our positions in the area of #Bakhmut, it is objectively unfavourable for the AFU to attack on the northern flank. The attempt to gain a foothold in the area of the #Berkhovskoye reservoir and to create pressure near Dubovo-Vasilyevka was not successful, as we still occupy the dominant heights, keeping under fire control the direction to Orekhovo-Vasilyevka. While three months ago units of the 56th Separate Mechanised Brigade occupied positions along the border of #Berkhovka, at the moment we have pushed them beyond the reservoir. Having pulled back, the enemy is trying to hold a bridgehead here with the forces of the 57th Mechanized Brigade.
▪️ The concentration of the AFU in the #Zheleznodorozhnoye section is also not high. Here are the 225th Battalion of the 127th Territorial Defence Brigade, 30th Mechanized Brigade, 27th Artillery Brigade, and the 8th Special Forces Regiment. This is explained by the fact that the enemy does not expect a counterattack from our side in this area, as well as the location 15 km northeast of the reserve grouping in #Seversk.
▪️ The southern flank, the strip #Kleshcheyevka – #Andreyevka – #Kurdyumovka was chosen as the direction of the main strike due to its favourable configuration, as well as the proximity of the Chasov Yar fortification, logistically tied to #Konstantinovka. It is the fact of uninterrupted logistics that allows the AFU to provide rotation of troops in this area in the shortest possible time, transferring fresh reserves. The situation on the southern flank of #Bakhmut has much in common with the situation in the #Zaporozhe (near #Rabotino) and Veliko-Novoselovskoye sections. Therefore, when we talk about the dynamics of the situation, which implies a constant transition of control over the positions from the enemy to us and vice versa, we should take into account that the defence forces are not only smaller in number, but are here virtually without rotation.
🇺🇦 As for the enemy’s objectives, it is obvious that they are divided into three components:
✅ Tactical – to create an exhausting effect by forcing us to hold a large in number grouping in #Bakhmut, while the southern section of the front is in dire need of reserves.
✅ Informational and propagandistic – to take revenge for the biggest defeat of this year. After all, if we set aside the emotions that accompany reports about the situation in #Rabotino and on the #Vremyevka ledge, the enemy, having been advancing for more than three months, cannot boast of territorial gains comparable to the loss of #Bakhmut.
✅ Operative – in case of failure of the southern flank of #Bakhmut, the AFU do not exclude the possibility of going on the offensive simultaneously in the #Soledar area, as well as from the direction of #Seversk in the direction of #Rubezhnoye, creating a threat of a flank strike to our units conducting offensive operations in the direction of #Yampol – #Torskoye.
📜 MultiXAM;

https://t.me/sitreports/15057

Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2023 6:58 utc | 464

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ War Map and the Situation on the Fronts for the Evening of 14 Sep 2023; pub. 00:05⚡️
🤔 The Kiev Regime has tightly targeted the Black Sea Fleet. The AFU attempted to attack the patrol ship “Sergey Kotov” with five marine drones, but all UAVs were destroyed by the ship’s weapon systems. This is confirmed by the video footage of the drone destruction posted by the 404 GUR. Apparently, just a video of the attack, albeit a complete failure, is already enough for a “rewind” in the Ukrainian media.
⚔️ Situation on the Fronts over the past Day
🔹#Svatovo – #Kremennaya Direction:
▪️ In the #Kupyansk sector, the offensive continues in the areas of #Sinkovka and #Petropavlovka.
▪️ On the #Karmazinovka ledge, our fighters are advancing in the area of #Novoyegorovka. In addition, ours are successfully attacking in the #Serebryanskoye forest, from the direction of #Dibrova.
▪️ In the area of #Seversk ours do not give the enemy and a chance to attack without losses and failures. Russian gunners from the 123rd Brigade especially stand out, nightmarishing the trench Nazis.
🔹#Bakhmut (#Artyomovsk) Direction:
▪️ In #Kleshcheyevka, fierce fighting continues, part of the village is in the grey zone. In #Andreyevka also, but the information about the control of the settlement by militants does not correspond to reality.
🔹#Zaporozhye Direction:
▪️ The AFU are trying to break through to #Novoprokopovka and #Verbovoye, but without success. Russian aviation is actively working on the militants in the #Rabotino area. There are no special changes on the #Vremyevka ledge, the AFU are pounding on #Priyutnoye and #Novomayorskoye.
💥 Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed a Ukrainian Mi-8 near #Krasnyliman in #DPR.
⚡️ Overnight, the Russian army worked on enemy infrastructure in #Dnepropetrovsk region. According to preliminary data, the Geranis hit facilities near the Dnipro-Liski Freight Railway Station.

https://t.me/sitreports/15063

Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2023 7:00 utc | 465

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ War Map and the Situation on the Fronts for the Evening of 14 Sep 2023; pub. 00:05⚡️
🤔 The Kiev Regime has tightly targeted the Black Sea Fleet. The AFU attempted to attack the patrol ship “Sergey Kotov” with five marine drones, but all UAVs were destroyed by the ship’s weapon systems. This is confirmed by the video footage of the drone destruction posted by the 404 GUR. Apparently, just a video of the attack, albeit a complete failure, is already enough for a “rewind” in the Ukrainian media.
⚔️ Situation on the Fronts over the past Day
🔹#Svatovo – #Kremennaya Direction:
▪️ In the #Kupyansk sector, the offensive continues in the areas of #Sinkovka and #Petropavlovka.
▪️ On the #Karmazinovka ledge, our fighters are advancing in the area of #Novoyegorovka. In addition, ours are successfully attacking in the #Serebryanskoye forest, from the direction of #Dibrova.
▪️ In the area of #Seversk ours do not give the enemy and a chance to attack without losses and failures. Russian gunners from the 123rd Brigade especially stand out, nightmarishing the trench Nazis.
🔹#Bakhmut (#Artyomovsk) Direction:
▪️ In #Kleshcheyevka, fierce fighting continues, part of the village is in the grey zone. In #Andreyevka also, but the information about the control of the settlement by militants does not correspond to reality.
🔹#Zaporozhye Direction:
▪️ The AFU are trying to break through to #Novoprokopovka and #Verbovoye, but without success. Russian aviation is actively working on the militants in the #Rabotino area. There are no special changes on the #Vremyevka ledge, the AFU are pounding on #Priyutnoye and #Novomayorskoye.
💥 Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed a Ukrainian Mi-8 near #Krasnyliman in #DPR.
⚡️ Overnight, the Russian army worked on enemy infrastructure in #Dnepropetrovsk region. According to preliminary data, the Geranis hit facilities near the Dnipro-Liski Freight Railway Station.

https://t.me/sitreports/15063

Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2023 7:00 utc | 466

Posted by: Julian | Sep 15 2023 4:38 utc | 212
Firstly, that is a Ukrainian TG not Russian.
Secondly, when you’re reduced to mobilising women (going as far as to produce military uniforms for pregnant women) the elderly, the sickly, the infirm you’re on your last legs.
They may not collapse today they may not collapse tomorrow but collapse they will. Not just military collapse but as has been shown here countless times societal collapse too.

Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2023 7:14 utc | 467

Posted by: Julian | Sep 15 2023 4:38 utc | 212
Firstly, that is a Ukrainian TG not Russian.
Secondly, when you’re reduced to mobilising women (going as far as to produce military uniforms for pregnant women) the elderly, the sickly, the infirm you’re on your last legs.
They may not collapse today they may not collapse tomorrow but collapse they will. Not just military collapse but as has been shown here countless times societal collapse too.

Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2023 7:14 utc | 468

@ Down South | Sep 15 2023 6:56 utc | 234 with the speculation about the results of the coming Z meeting in the US with Biden…thanks
I see things speeding up to where dominoes start to fall that the West can’t control in Syria, Iran, Africa along with some attempt at pivot from Ukraine/Russia to China/Taiwan.
Coming is the winter of empire’s discontent, literally and figuratively, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15 2023 7:14 utc | 469

@ Down South | Sep 15 2023 6:56 utc | 234 with the speculation about the results of the coming Z meeting in the US with Biden…thanks
I see things speeding up to where dominoes start to fall that the West can’t control in Syria, Iran, Africa along with some attempt at pivot from Ukraine/Russia to China/Taiwan.
Coming is the winter of empire’s discontent, literally and figuratively, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15 2023 7:14 utc | 470

Good to see you back Peter Au1.
You cant keep a good man down.
If it dont kill you it makes you stronger.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 15 2023 7:27 utc | 471

Good to see you back Peter Au1.
You cant keep a good man down.
If it dont kill you it makes you stronger.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 15 2023 7:27 utc | 472

Now Nk seems to officially a partner and not an isolated individual state. It would be great to see china and Rf go all out and help develop industries and use the nations workforce. industrialise it with the needed capital that has been squeezed out for so long . fully egg on the face as South Korea fades under western debt and turning into a bunch of tranny woke fools

Posted by: hankster | Sep 15 2023 8:03 utc | 473

Now Nk seems to officially a partner and not an isolated individual state. It would be great to see china and Rf go all out and help develop industries and use the nations workforce. industrialise it with the needed capital that has been squeezed out for so long . fully egg on the face as South Korea fades under western debt and turning into a bunch of tranny woke fools

Posted by: hankster | Sep 15 2023 8:03 utc | 474

Thanks b, Russia IS winning…..
Looks like somebody in the West agrees too..
“What we are experiencing now is more than a test of the strength of the post-Cold War world order. This is the end of it” (c) Blinken

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 15 2023 8:24 utc | 475

Thanks b, Russia IS winning…..
Looks like somebody in the West agrees too..
“What we are experiencing now is more than a test of the strength of the post-Cold War world order. This is the end of it” (c) Blinken

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 15 2023 8:24 utc | 476

Alexander Mercouris says that NK partnership primary thing isn’t necessarily weapons or ammo (although it may be included), but employing NK work force in building projects in Far East Russia. It’s probably a good thing.
Of course, there will probably be some weapon manufacturing involved, NK could build some stuff with a license or directly. NK also wants to test their weapons, like MLRS in Ukraine. Every commander in the world would love to test their weapons in real combat.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 8:30 utc | 477

Alexander Mercouris says that NK partnership primary thing isn’t necessarily weapons or ammo (although it may be included), but employing NK work force in building projects in Far East Russia. It’s probably a good thing.
Of course, there will probably be some weapon manufacturing involved, NK could build some stuff with a license or directly. NK also wants to test their weapons, like MLRS in Ukraine. Every commander in the world would love to test their weapons in real combat.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 8:30 utc | 478

Meanwhile, Ukraine proposes using dead soldiers as fertilizers…..
https://t.me/fr0m_Russia_with_L0ve/28447

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 15 2023 8:33 utc | 479

Meanwhile, Ukraine proposes using dead soldiers as fertilizers…..
https://t.me/fr0m_Russia_with_L0ve/28447

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 15 2023 8:33 utc | 480

It seems likely that NATO’s plan is to park themselves up on Romanian territory, and pick off Russia’s Black Sea fleet at will.
Putin will either have to respond in a way that risks full NATO involvement, or back down and accept the “frozen conflict” idea being touted.
Recent history suggests he will opt for the latter. Any thoughts?

Posted by: Glasshopper | Sep 15 2023 8:51 utc | 481

It seems likely that NATO’s plan is to park themselves up on Romanian territory, and pick off Russia’s Black Sea fleet at will.
Putin will either have to respond in a way that risks full NATO involvement, or back down and accept the “frozen conflict” idea being touted.
Recent history suggests he will opt for the latter. Any thoughts?

Posted by: Glasshopper | Sep 15 2023 8:51 utc | 482

I think b. entirely misses the point…. the purpose of all the articles you quote is not to give you information on what Russia can and cannot produce. Their purpose is to get more funding – need to money for more more weapons = “Russia is running out of weapons, we just need to ship a few more and Ukraine will win”… need money for more weapons = “Russia has overcome sanctions, we need more money to produce more ourselves”.
All the numbers and speculation (200 tanks, 2 million shells, $600/shell etc) are entirely arbitrary and sucked out of someones ass. Everything is made up to support more funding for the military/industrial complex. Its a complete waste of time to write this post and draw conclusions about anything except more $$$$ for some, less for you and me.

Posted by: marco | Sep 15 2023 9:03 utc | 483

I think b. entirely misses the point…. the purpose of all the articles you quote is not to give you information on what Russia can and cannot produce. Their purpose is to get more funding – need to money for more more weapons = “Russia is running out of weapons, we just need to ship a few more and Ukraine will win”… need money for more weapons = “Russia has overcome sanctions, we need more money to produce more ourselves”.
All the numbers and speculation (200 tanks, 2 million shells, $600/shell etc) are entirely arbitrary and sucked out of someones ass. Everything is made up to support more funding for the military/industrial complex. Its a complete waste of time to write this post and draw conclusions about anything except more $$$$ for some, less for you and me.

Posted by: marco | Sep 15 2023 9:03 utc | 484

Does any bozo in NATO or US military seriously think that is remotely feasible, now?
Yes, they do. In much the same way that they shipped Africans to farm the New World, bought up Eastern Europe and piped Kurdish Oil directly to the UK without a meter.
How does it help to understand the world by pretending that USUKIS are not frothing at the mouth batshit crazy?
That’s the sum total of all my comments here on MoA. Your heart seems to have some kind of investment in the idea that the political entity of USUKIS are normal , nice , sane and predictable. Not so.imho.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 15 2023 9:14 utc | 485

Does any bozo in NATO or US military seriously think that is remotely feasible, now?
Yes, they do. In much the same way that they shipped Africans to farm the New World, bought up Eastern Europe and piped Kurdish Oil directly to the UK without a meter.
How does it help to understand the world by pretending that USUKIS are not frothing at the mouth batshit crazy?
That’s the sum total of all my comments here on MoA. Your heart seems to have some kind of investment in the idea that the political entity of USUKIS are normal , nice , sane and predictable. Not so.imho.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 15 2023 9:14 utc | 486

Posted by: MSardou | Sep 14 2023 17:56 utc | 85
Good and thoughtful post, nice to see the bar can still be raised on occasion.

Posted by: Organic | Sep 15 2023 9:15 utc | 487

Posted by: MSardou | Sep 14 2023 17:56 utc | 85
Good and thoughtful post, nice to see the bar can still be raised on occasion.

Posted by: Organic | Sep 15 2023 9:15 utc | 488

Fox48 @ 223:
There was no annexation of Crimea in the sense of an invasion and then a takeover against the will of Crimea residents. Crimea held a referendum in late Feb or early March in 2014. About 80% of eligible voters showed up at polling stations and about 97 or 98% of them voted for independence from Ukraine with the understanding that an independent Crimea would request inclusion in the Russian Federation.
The referendum was organised after an incident in late Feb 2014 in which several busloads of Crimeans, returning from Kiev after protesting peacefully in support of then Ukr President Yanukovych, were ambushed and beaten up by Nazi thugs at Korsun. Several passengers died from their injuries. The survivors managed to return to Crimea and raised the alarm with authorities there.
The role of Russia was reactive to these events.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 15 2023 9:32 utc | 489

Fox48 @ 223:
There was no annexation of Crimea in the sense of an invasion and then a takeover against the will of Crimea residents. Crimea held a referendum in late Feb or early March in 2014. About 80% of eligible voters showed up at polling stations and about 97 or 98% of them voted for independence from Ukraine with the understanding that an independent Crimea would request inclusion in the Russian Federation.
The referendum was organised after an incident in late Feb 2014 in which several busloads of Crimeans, returning from Kiev after protesting peacefully in support of then Ukr President Yanukovych, were ambushed and beaten up by Nazi thugs at Korsun. Several passengers died from their injuries. The survivors managed to return to Crimea and raised the alarm with authorities there.
The role of Russia was reactive to these events.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 15 2023 9:32 utc | 490

Posted by: Glasshopper | Sep 15 2023 8:51 utc | 244
Putin will either have to …
or …
Any thoughts?
####
My first thought is that you should refrain from pronouncing that Putin and his whole team of military advisors “will have to” do only one of the two options that YOU can think up.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 15 2023 9:34 utc | 491

Posted by: Glasshopper | Sep 15 2023 8:51 utc | 244
Putin will either have to …
or …
Any thoughts?
####
My first thought is that you should refrain from pronouncing that Putin and his whole team of military advisors “will have to” do only one of the two options that YOU can think up.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 15 2023 9:34 utc | 492

Giyane | Sep 15 2023 9:14 utc | 246
Giyane does it again. Picks a random post, responds to it in only his first sentence, then fills two more paragraphs with his twisted rhetoric.
Go join the Taliban.
Go preach in a Madrassa.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 15 2023 9:45 utc | 493

Giyane | Sep 15 2023 9:14 utc | 246
Giyane does it again. Picks a random post, responds to it in only his first sentence, then fills two more paragraphs with his twisted rhetoric.
Go join the Taliban.
Go preach in a Madrassa.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 15 2023 9:45 utc | 494

Constantine 201
None of the spiritual values of Islam helped in the least, when the Muslim countries became colonies or vassals of European powers.
Islam is a comprehensive installation manual for life. The values might be on page 1, but you have to read further. The Qur’an categorically forbids Muslims to take political help from the Jews and Christians. In particular the British offer assistance to one tribe against another, starting a war in which like Ukraine the tribe assisted are completely colonised. I see the British Muslims collaborating with MI5 and MI6. Is there any excuse for this after 250 years of colonial bribery,
corruption and subsequent persecution?
When you service the car, you lubricate the brake mechanisms as well as changing the engine oil. Short-term gain by cutting corners leads to long term pain. Don’t the Muslim scholars understand that MI5 and MI6 are going to feed them shit. They aren’t scholars if they haven’t studied their enemies’ politics. They are just green choirboys with no respect for the Book.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 15 2023 9:53 utc | 495

Constantine 201
None of the spiritual values of Islam helped in the least, when the Muslim countries became colonies or vassals of European powers.
Islam is a comprehensive installation manual for life. The values might be on page 1, but you have to read further. The Qur’an categorically forbids Muslims to take political help from the Jews and Christians. In particular the British offer assistance to one tribe against another, starting a war in which like Ukraine the tribe assisted are completely colonised. I see the British Muslims collaborating with MI5 and MI6. Is there any excuse for this after 250 years of colonial bribery,
corruption and subsequent persecution?
When you service the car, you lubricate the brake mechanisms as well as changing the engine oil. Short-term gain by cutting corners leads to long term pain. Don’t the Muslim scholars understand that MI5 and MI6 are going to feed them shit. They aren’t scholars if they haven’t studied their enemies’ politics. They are just green choirboys with no respect for the Book.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 15 2023 9:53 utc | 496

@Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 8:30 utc | 242
Or they simply paraded Kim to annoy US, with no intention of anything. The question is what China and Russia can do for Kim, not what Kim can do for them. If they sit and watch like they always do pretending to be great strategists or attrition warriors in their own house, the successful Ukr script will run in multiple places at the same time.

Posted by: rk | Sep 15 2023 9:54 utc | 497

@Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2023 8:30 utc | 242
Or they simply paraded Kim to annoy US, with no intention of anything. The question is what China and Russia can do for Kim, not what Kim can do for them. If they sit and watch like they always do pretending to be great strategists or attrition warriors in their own house, the successful Ukr script will run in multiple places at the same time.

Posted by: rk | Sep 15 2023 9:54 utc | 498

Ukraine Weekly Update – may be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-8a2

Posted by: Rob Campbell | Sep 15 2023 10:02 utc | 499

Ukraine Weekly Update – may be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-8a2

Posted by: Rob Campbell | Sep 15 2023 10:02 utc | 500