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September 14, 2023
Russia Is Winning The Industrial Warfare Race

Last year I mocked the media for claiming that 'Russia is running out of' whatever.

> Back in March I had warned that Lies Do Not Win Wars. Here is another practical example.

After allegedly having 'run out of missiles' and, more importantly, patience, the leadership of the Russian Federation decided to de-electrify Ukrainian cities with a 'barrage of missile strikes'. <

Western military commentators have finally started to accept the obvious. Russia is winning and doing so by a large margin.

A similar turn can be seen in dearth of new 'Russia is running out of' stories which get now replaced by acknowledgements that Russia's weapon industries are out-producing the West:

Russia Overcomes Sanctions to Expand Missile Production, Officials SayNY Times
Moscow’s missile production now exceeds prewar levels, officials say, leaving Ukraine especially vulnerable this coming winter.

As a result of the sanctions, American officials estimate that Russia was forced to dramatically slow its production of missiles and other weaponry at the start of the war in February 2022 for at least six months. But by the end of 2022, Moscow’s military industrial manufacturing began to pick up speed again, American officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to disclose the sensitive assessment now concede.

Before the war, one senior Western defense official said, Russia could make 100 tanks a year; now they are producing 200.

Western officials also believe Russia is on track to manufacture two million artillery shells a year — double the amount Western intelligence services had initially estimated Russia could manufacture before the war.

As a result of the push, Russia is now producing more ammunition than the United States and Europe. Overall, Kusti Salm, a senior Estonian defense ministry official, estimated that Russia’s current ammunition production is seven times greater than that of the West.

Russia’s production costs are also far lower than the West’s, in part because Moscow is sacrificing safety and quality in its effort to build weapons more cheaply, Mr. Salm said. For instance, it costs a Western country $5,000 to $6,000 to make a 155-millimeter artillery round, whereas it costs Russia about $600 to produce a comparable 152-millimeter artillery shell, he said.

I believe that the numbers of current weapon production in Russia, which the New York Times cites, are too low. Consider that back in February the former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev spoke of an 'exponential increase' in weapon output:

Medvedev said Moscow had increased military production "by tens of times" at some factories and was closely studying weapons fired into Russian-held areas from the Ukrainian side in an effort to gain an advantage.

I would also argue that sanctions were never really able to hinder Russia's arms industry. No military uses the latest and greatest chips when it comes to making weapons. Putting sanctioning on those is thus pretty useless. Some old Intel 80386 compatible CPU is, correctly programmed, sufficient to manage a modern artillery system. For little money one can get thousands of these in any Asian electronic market.

There are a few exceptions that need special stuff. For some time Russia was behind in the production of night vision equipment. It imported some from France which blocked further transfers. But that issues seems to have been solved. For basic materials and energy Russia has all it needs. It also has well qualified staff to develop and build new weapons.

Five years ago the Russian President Vladimir Putin revealed a number of new weapon systems which were superior to western ones. He also mentioned that same of these were based on "new physical principles" which had been discovered by Russian scientists. At the recent Eastern Economic Forum he repeated that claim:

If one looks into the security sphere, new physical principles weapons will ensure the security of any country in the near historic perspective. We understand this very well and are working on it, Putin said.

(I don't find those sentences in the plenum transcript but trust Sputnik to have it right.)

There is some guessing what Putin might have meant. I thought about it for quite a while but have to admit that I have no clue what he has in mind.

A warning that Russia will outproduce the West was given back in June 2022 when Alex Vershinin of RUSI issued a note about The Return of Industrial Warfare:

The winner in a prolonged war between two near-peer powers is still based on which side has the strongest industrial base. A country must either have the manufacturing capacity to build massive quantities of ammunition or have other manufacturing industries that can be rapidly converted to ammunition production. Unfortunately, the West no longer seems to have either.

It has become to expensive for the West to regain that capability.

That Russia was running out of stuff was always wishful thinking, not fact based analysis. On that point it took the media more than a year to catch up with reality. On other aspects of the the war, casualty numbers come to mind, the media are still miles behind.

Comments

unimperator @ 41

Is it too far fetched to expect a mystery explosion occurring on a US attack sub inside one of their dry docks?

Yes, the Russians are trying very, very hard to not have it devolve into a free for all. Sadly, the Empire of Chaos is doing everything possible to provoke that.
I’m sure Russian spies could be setting fires to shopping malls, industrial parks, and refineries in Germany and the UK but they are not.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 14 2023 16:11 utc | 101

unimperator @ 41

Is it too far fetched to expect a mystery explosion occurring on a US attack sub inside one of their dry docks?

Yes, the Russians are trying very, very hard to not have it devolve into a free for all. Sadly, the Empire of Chaos is doing everything possible to provoke that.
I’m sure Russian spies could be setting fires to shopping malls, industrial parks, and refineries in Germany and the UK but they are not.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 14 2023 16:11 utc | 102

@ LightYearsFromHome | Sep 14 2023 15:04 utc | 26
what is your response to the question you left @ 26? i gave mine..

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2023 16:14 utc | 103

@ LightYearsFromHome | Sep 14 2023 15:04 utc | 26
what is your response to the question you left @ 26? i gave mine..

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2023 16:14 utc | 104

Timely reminder, b, thanks.
If you read the compilation of passages from Putin’s conversation with young Russian scientists, which Karlof1 produced for us a few days back–a valuable and very engaging read–you get tantalizing hints of directions Russian research is taking, in these areas of new physical principles. Some are connected loosely to weapons potential; others less so. But all of these scientists are working & funded under the aegis of Russia’s strategic weapons programs.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Sep 14 2023 16:18 utc | 105

Timely reminder, b, thanks.
If you read the compilation of passages from Putin’s conversation with young Russian scientists, which Karlof1 produced for us a few days back–a valuable and very engaging read–you get tantalizing hints of directions Russian research is taking, in these areas of new physical principles. Some are connected loosely to weapons potential; others less so. But all of these scientists are working & funded under the aegis of Russia’s strategic weapons programs.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Sep 14 2023 16:18 utc | 106

Timely reminder, b, thanks.
If you read the compilation of passages from Putin’s conversation with young Russian scientists, which Karlof1 produced for us a few days back–a valuable and very engaging read–you get tantalizing hints of directions Russian research is taking, in these areas of new physical principles. Some are connected loosely to weapons potential; others less so. But all of these scientists are working & funded under the aegis of Russia’s strategic weapons programs.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Sep 14 2023 16:20 utc | 107

Timely reminder, b, thanks.
If you read the compilation of passages from Putin’s conversation with young Russian scientists, which Karlof1 produced for us a few days back–a valuable and very engaging read–you get tantalizing hints of directions Russian research is taking, in these areas of new physical principles. Some are connected loosely to weapons potential; others less so. But all of these scientists are working & funded under the aegis of Russia’s strategic weapons programs.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Sep 14 2023 16:20 utc | 108

Timely reminder, b, thanks.
If you read the compilation of passages from Putin’s conversation with young Russian scientists, which Karlof1 produced for us a few days back–a valuable and very engaging read–you get tantalizing hints of directions Russian research is taking, in these areas of new physical principles. Some are connected loosely to weapons potential; others less so. But all of these scientists are working & funded under the aegis of Russia’s strategic weapons programs.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Sep 14 2023 16:23 utc | 109

Timely reminder, b, thanks.
If you read the compilation of passages from Putin’s conversation with young Russian scientists, which Karlof1 produced for us a few days back–a valuable and very engaging read–you get tantalizing hints of directions Russian research is taking, in these areas of new physical principles. Some are connected loosely to weapons potential; others less so. But all of these scientists are working & funded under the aegis of Russia’s strategic weapons programs.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Sep 14 2023 16:23 utc | 110

Can’t imagine a reason why a talented engineer would accept a job with an American defense contractor. Career suicide. Only third string would take the money. Who wants to be associated with the next F-35.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 14 2023 16:23 utc | 111

Can’t imagine a reason why a talented engineer would accept a job with an American defense contractor. Career suicide. Only third string would take the money. Who wants to be associated with the next F-35.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 14 2023 16:23 utc | 112

Can’t imagine a reason why a talented engineer would accept a job with an American defense contractor. Career suicide. Only third string would take the money. Who wants to be associated with the next F-35.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 14 2023 16:23 utc | 113

Can’t imagine a reason why a talented engineer would accept a job with an American defense contractor. Career suicide. Only third string would take the money. Who wants to be associated with the next F-35.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 14 2023 16:23 utc | 114

@ post 43 “USA was a pioneer in mass production of metal products, e.g. Ford cars, and this art is not lost, but MIC definitely prefers high profit “artisanal production”…
Those old arts of mass production are totally lost to the US. There are no engineers that know how to design the machines needed to produce weapons of war.
One of the reasons the US canceled the F22 Raptor was lack of spare parts and nobody knew how to design the tooling needed to manufacture the needed parts.
Not only lack of engineers, There is very little domestic metal production. No steel, No titanium and other metals produced in the quantities needed to make machines of war.
The only kind of engineers the US graduates these days are Social Engineers.
“You dont win wars with lies”
BTW You mentioned Ford. have you ever compared a Ford car to a similar Toyota or Honda? That right there will tell you the dismal state of American “Mass Production”

Posted by: Golddigger | Sep 14 2023 16:23 utc | 115

@ post 43 “USA was a pioneer in mass production of metal products, e.g. Ford cars, and this art is not lost, but MIC definitely prefers high profit “artisanal production”…
Those old arts of mass production are totally lost to the US. There are no engineers that know how to design the machines needed to produce weapons of war.
One of the reasons the US canceled the F22 Raptor was lack of spare parts and nobody knew how to design the tooling needed to manufacture the needed parts.
Not only lack of engineers, There is very little domestic metal production. No steel, No titanium and other metals produced in the quantities needed to make machines of war.
The only kind of engineers the US graduates these days are Social Engineers.
“You dont win wars with lies”
BTW You mentioned Ford. have you ever compared a Ford car to a similar Toyota or Honda? That right there will tell you the dismal state of American “Mass Production”

Posted by: Golddigger | Sep 14 2023 16:23 utc | 116

Frank McGar @ 45

It’s kind of weird being an American and rooting against my own country

I come from a mother and uncles who were partisans in WW2, they had to pick up a gun and fight their own countrymen to get their country back. That’s also part of the destiny of nations.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 14 2023 16:24 utc | 117

Frank McGar @ 45

It’s kind of weird being an American and rooting against my own country

I come from a mother and uncles who were partisans in WW2, they had to pick up a gun and fight their own countrymen to get their country back. That’s also part of the destiny of nations.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 14 2023 16:24 utc | 118

Can’t imagine a reason why a talented engineer would accept a job with an American defense contractor. Career suicide. Only third string would take the money. Who wants to be associated with the next F-35.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 14 2023 16:24 utc | 119

Can’t imagine a reason why a talented engineer would accept a job with an American defense contractor. Career suicide. Only third string would take the money. Who wants to be associated with the next F-35.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 14 2023 16:24 utc | 120

“And eventually the losing side will resort to Nukes. And then well we all be dead.”
Beg to differ, if Russia loses, they face an existential crisis on their border at which point the prerequisits according to their nuclear doctrine to use this terrible weapon will be met. If the HATO powers loses they’ll just declare victory, and walk off whistling with hands in their pockets, perhaps to go bother China instead, then finding that a now much more challenging proposition they will chose instead to to go ransack accessible parts of the global south for whatever pillage can still be found there. The Sith Lords of the Neocon Death-cult may fall into disfavour though.
The policy elite in the West is so stupid, if they were actually to get what they want- a desperate tottering Russia, they only acheive a much greater chance of nuclear annihilation for all. Fuckwits.

Posted by: Loncal | Sep 14 2023 16:27 utc | 121

“And eventually the losing side will resort to Nukes. And then well we all be dead.”
Beg to differ, if Russia loses, they face an existential crisis on their border at which point the prerequisits according to their nuclear doctrine to use this terrible weapon will be met. If the HATO powers loses they’ll just declare victory, and walk off whistling with hands in their pockets, perhaps to go bother China instead, then finding that a now much more challenging proposition they will chose instead to to go ransack accessible parts of the global south for whatever pillage can still be found there. The Sith Lords of the Neocon Death-cult may fall into disfavour though.
The policy elite in the West is so stupid, if they were actually to get what they want- a desperate tottering Russia, they only acheive a much greater chance of nuclear annihilation for all. Fuckwits.

Posted by: Loncal | Sep 14 2023 16:27 utc | 122

“And eventually the losing side will resort to Nukes. And then well we all be dead.”
Beg to differ, if Russia loses, they face an existential crisis on their border at which point the prerequisits according to their nuclear doctrine to use this terrible weapon will be met. If the HATO powers loses they’ll just declare victory, and walk off whistling with hands in their pockets, perhaps to go bother China instead, then finding that a now much more challenging proposition they will chose instead to to go ransack accessible parts of the global south for whatever pillage can still be found there. The Sith Lords of the Neocon Death-cult may fall into disfavour though.
The policy elite in the West is so stupid, if they were actually to get what they want- a desperate tottering Russia, they only acheive a much greater chance of nuclear annihilation for all. Fuckwits.

Posted by: Loncal | Sep 14 2023 16:27 utc | 123

“And eventually the losing side will resort to Nukes. And then well we all be dead.”
Beg to differ, if Russia loses, they face an existential crisis on their border at which point the prerequisits according to their nuclear doctrine to use this terrible weapon will be met. If the HATO powers loses they’ll just declare victory, and walk off whistling with hands in their pockets, perhaps to go bother China instead, then finding that a now much more challenging proposition they will chose instead to to go ransack accessible parts of the global south for whatever pillage can still be found there. The Sith Lords of the Neocon Death-cult may fall into disfavour though.
The policy elite in the West is so stupid, if they were actually to get what they want- a desperate tottering Russia, they only acheive a much greater chance of nuclear annihilation for all. Fuckwits.

Posted by: Loncal | Sep 14 2023 16:27 utc | 124

Think of the corruption and graft required to make one artillery shell cost $5000
Posted by: Fred777 | Sep 14 2023 14:18 utc | 10

Yep. Very hard to forget…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 14 2023 16:28 utc | 125

Think of the corruption and graft required to make one artillery shell cost $5000
Posted by: Fred777 | Sep 14 2023 14:18 utc | 10

Yep. Very hard to forget…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 14 2023 16:28 utc | 126

Think of the corruption and graft required to make one artillery shell cost $5000
Posted by: Fred777 | Sep 14 2023 14:18 utc | 10

Yep. Very hard to forget…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 14 2023 16:29 utc | 127

Think of the corruption and graft required to make one artillery shell cost $5000
Posted by: Fred777 | Sep 14 2023 14:18 utc | 10

Yep. Very hard to forget…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 14 2023 16:29 utc | 128

what they’ve done in Ukraine is beyond the pale.
Posted by: Frank McGar | Sep 14 2023 15:50 utc | 45
NATO country here. If we live it’s thanks to V.V.Putin’s temperate character.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 14 2023 16:33 utc | 129

what they’ve done in Ukraine is beyond the pale.
Posted by: Frank McGar | Sep 14 2023 15:50 utc | 45
NATO country here. If we live it’s thanks to V.V.Putin’s temperate character.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 14 2023 16:33 utc | 130

The entire planet today saw the AmericanNazi massmurdering brown people of Hawaii for “privatization”, nazis hiding behind a label and lawyers
Additionally the continued century long forced racial segregation starving native indians confined to landlocked unfertile lands.
Those USA states that connect to BRI, will be the superpowers nations of the future, those that don’t will be third world.
Posted by: Shade | Sep 14 2023 16:22 utc | 62
There’s a party just made for you. It’s called the Democrats and they love people who reduce imperialism to the issue of racism. Take a look at the devastated people in Maui or anywhere else in the US. It ain’t just brown people, you tool. Show some class solidarity.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 14 2023 16:35 utc | 131

The entire planet today saw the AmericanNazi massmurdering brown people of Hawaii for “privatization”, nazis hiding behind a label and lawyers
Additionally the continued century long forced racial segregation starving native indians confined to landlocked unfertile lands.
Those USA states that connect to BRI, will be the superpowers nations of the future, those that don’t will be third world.
Posted by: Shade | Sep 14 2023 16:22 utc | 62
There’s a party just made for you. It’s called the Democrats and they love people who reduce imperialism to the issue of racism. Take a look at the devastated people in Maui or anywhere else in the US. It ain’t just brown people, you tool. Show some class solidarity.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 14 2023 16:35 utc | 132

Yap. Spot-on, as always, b.
Cheers—

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 14 2023 16:37 utc | 133

Yap. Spot-on, as always, b.
Cheers—

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 14 2023 16:37 utc | 134

Let’s just hope that Russian resources don’t get combined with Chinese manufacturing.

Posted by: ian | Sep 14 2023 16:39 utc | 135

Let’s just hope that Russian resources don’t get combined with Chinese manufacturing.

Posted by: ian | Sep 14 2023 16:39 utc | 136

Painted lines
You got em
We got em
Everybody, Painted Lines
Well, I’m not sure who sets Russia’s red line (singular), or if one even exists, while NATO has no shortage of Rainbow Lines that regardless of action Russia seems mystified. For every spy drone fly by, Crimea will SloMoly burn……an entire Navel fleet hobbled and chained at dock, drones be like that. For all the MMA money debates spilled here, well huge joke for there will be no win, nor house of cards collapse…..Empires never die, they diversify…..bidness 101.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 14 2023 16:41 utc | 137

Painted lines
You got em
We got em
Everybody, Painted Lines
Well, I’m not sure who sets Russia’s red line (singular), or if one even exists, while NATO has no shortage of Rainbow Lines that regardless of action Russia seems mystified. For every spy drone fly by, Crimea will SloMoly burn……an entire Navel fleet hobbled and chained at dock, drones be like that. For all the MMA money debates spilled here, well huge joke for there will be no win, nor house of cards collapse…..Empires never die, they diversify…..bidness 101.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 14 2023 16:41 utc | 138

Posted by: Wilbur | Sep 14 2023 13:54 utc | 3″
Meds talks a lot. Youd be better off not taking much of his rhetoric to heart.
Posted by: Comandante | Sep 14 2023 14:02 utc | 4
I believe (per The New Atlas) that it was 200 tanks plus 800 upgraded ones.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 14 2023 16:41 utc | 139

Posted by: Wilbur | Sep 14 2023 13:54 utc | 3″
Meds talks a lot. Youd be better off not taking much of his rhetoric to heart.
Posted by: Comandante | Sep 14 2023 14:02 utc | 4
I believe (per The New Atlas) that it was 200 tanks plus 800 upgraded ones.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 14 2023 16:41 utc | 140

Seriously, I think Putin is referring to lasers. They should make great short range air defence for more or less immobile assets where access to electricity isn’t an issue, such as ships, missile launch sites, government buildings, headquarters, strategically vital airports and the like.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 14 2023 16:52 utc | 141

Seriously, I think Putin is referring to lasers. They should make great short range air defence for more or less immobile assets where access to electricity isn’t an issue, such as ships, missile launch sites, government buildings, headquarters, strategically vital airports and the like.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 14 2023 16:52 utc | 142

Let’s just hope that Russian resources don’t get combined with Chinese manufacturing.
Posted by: ian | Sep 14 2023 16:39 utc | 71
Comrade, have you been following the news the last eighteen months or so?

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 14 2023 16:54 utc | 143

Let’s just hope that Russian resources don’t get combined with Chinese manufacturing.
Posted by: ian | Sep 14 2023 16:39 utc | 71
Comrade, have you been following the news the last eighteen months or so?

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 14 2023 16:54 utc | 144

@Jörgen Hassler | Sep 14 2023 16:52 utc | 71

Seriously, I think Putin is referring to lasers.

But lasers are not based on “new physical principles”, are they? Lasers are well known.
I guess you could say there are no “new physical principles”, only new understanding of “old physical principles”…

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 14 2023 17:00 utc | 145

@Jörgen Hassler | Sep 14 2023 16:52 utc | 71

Seriously, I think Putin is referring to lasers.

But lasers are not based on “new physical principles”, are they? Lasers are well known.
I guess you could say there are no “new physical principles”, only new understanding of “old physical principles”…

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 14 2023 17:00 utc | 146

So stop bumping your chests and act like an intelligent species.
Posted by: Comandante | Sep 14 2023 14:01 utc | 2
So you grant yourself license to drop and and give commanding “advise” to the barflies?
To what end?

Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 14 2023 17:03 utc | 147

So stop bumping your chests and act like an intelligent species.
Posted by: Comandante | Sep 14 2023 14:01 utc | 2
So you grant yourself license to drop and and give commanding “advise” to the barflies?
To what end?

Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 14 2023 17:03 utc | 148

Now there’s news circulating that Ukraine is currently bombing SEVASTOPOL again! I guess all the talk about failure of the Ukrainian counteroffensive was premature.

Posted by: bored | Sep 14 2023 17:08 utc | 149

Now there’s news circulating that Ukraine is currently bombing SEVASTOPOL again! I guess all the talk about failure of the Ukrainian counteroffensive was premature.

Posted by: bored | Sep 14 2023 17:08 utc | 150

Is it too far fetched to expect a mystery explosion occurring on a US attack sub inside one of their dry docks?
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2023 15:45 utc | 36
It shouldn’t be “far fetched”.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 14 2023 17:09 utc | 151

Is it too far fetched to expect a mystery explosion occurring on a US attack sub inside one of their dry docks?
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2023 15:45 utc | 36
It shouldn’t be “far fetched”.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 14 2023 17:09 utc | 152

james @ 58

what is your response to the question you left @ 26? i gave mine

You don’t want to hear it, plus it’s too wordy for a forum but here goes. Russia isn’t fighting Ukraine it’s fighting the USA along with NATO plus another 30 countries. All Russia wants is PEACE – a sound, authoritative, viable, honorable security agreement that sets James Baker’s promise to not encroach NATO into the ex-Warsaw Pact if not into stone, at least into Mont Blanc ink and parchment.
Besides the fact the west is agreement incapable, which is a biggie, after all the best laid plans of the last 32 years the USA isn’t going to turn around, it will have to be turned around, hopefully by global corporate capitalism that is getting fucked over by all this and that has much more to gain in multipolarism than hegemony, once upon a time money talked, now I don’t know.
Neocon isn’t just some fringe wackos in the deep state – it is the military expression of neoliberalism, neoliberalism is the present stage expression of capitalism, to defeat neocon policy means defeating neoliberalism which means at the very least massively changing present day capitalism – a very tall order, especially since the mass media is now fully a part of the neoliberal financialized economic system. I don’t see it happening anywhere in the west and discussion is verboten.
Russia is having a very hard, very costly, time of fighting NATO and the pressure on them keeps building, all part of the plan, failures like the counter offensive doesn’t mean the USA and Pentagon are haphazard and mindless, it means they got a part of the plan wrong, that’s planned for too.
For RF destroying NATO seems to me too grand an objective at this point, getting it out of Russia’s sphere of influence can be done, but only one way that I can see, admittedly from my stepping stool height perspective. As Russia doesn’t have the troops to march to Brussels and plant the flag on top of NATO HQ it will have to nuke all the NATO bases in the ex-Warsaw pact all at once, and nothing of the sort will be used in Ukraine.
A tactical move that forces a strategic reply, which I don’t think the USA is up for, but where is it written that saner minds prevail? There’s also a positive outcome for the USA that allows it to walk away without a nuclear reply that it must also have calculated. Russia would be seen as a wanton mass murderous pariah and shunned for the rest of human history. Especially by its east European neighbors to say the least.
A war over the Black Sea isn’t just another escalation, it’s the final escalation. Doom and gloom, like I said you didn’t want to hear it.
There is the possibility that the Pentagon is pressuring Crimea to force a freeze in the conflict – a time out for a year or two. But nothing in the last 18 months indicates that, in fact, in retrospect, nothing in the last 32 years indicates that.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 14 2023 17:15 utc | 153

james @ 58

what is your response to the question you left @ 26? i gave mine

You don’t want to hear it, plus it’s too wordy for a forum but here goes. Russia isn’t fighting Ukraine it’s fighting the USA along with NATO plus another 30 countries. All Russia wants is PEACE – a sound, authoritative, viable, honorable security agreement that sets James Baker’s promise to not encroach NATO into the ex-Warsaw Pact if not into stone, at least into Mont Blanc ink and parchment.
Besides the fact the west is agreement incapable, which is a biggie, after all the best laid plans of the last 32 years the USA isn’t going to turn around, it will have to be turned around, hopefully by global corporate capitalism that is getting fucked over by all this and that has much more to gain in multipolarism than hegemony, once upon a time money talked, now I don’t know.
Neocon isn’t just some fringe wackos in the deep state – it is the military expression of neoliberalism, neoliberalism is the present stage expression of capitalism, to defeat neocon policy means defeating neoliberalism which means at the very least massively changing present day capitalism – a very tall order, especially since the mass media is now fully a part of the neoliberal financialized economic system. I don’t see it happening anywhere in the west and discussion is verboten.
Russia is having a very hard, very costly, time of fighting NATO and the pressure on them keeps building, all part of the plan, failures like the counter offensive doesn’t mean the USA and Pentagon are haphazard and mindless, it means they got a part of the plan wrong, that’s planned for too.
For RF destroying NATO seems to me too grand an objective at this point, getting it out of Russia’s sphere of influence can be done, but only one way that I can see, admittedly from my stepping stool height perspective. As Russia doesn’t have the troops to march to Brussels and plant the flag on top of NATO HQ it will have to nuke all the NATO bases in the ex-Warsaw pact all at once, and nothing of the sort will be used in Ukraine.
A tactical move that forces a strategic reply, which I don’t think the USA is up for, but where is it written that saner minds prevail? There’s also a positive outcome for the USA that allows it to walk away without a nuclear reply that it must also have calculated. Russia would be seen as a wanton mass murderous pariah and shunned for the rest of human history. Especially by its east European neighbors to say the least.
A war over the Black Sea isn’t just another escalation, it’s the final escalation. Doom and gloom, like I said you didn’t want to hear it.
There is the possibility that the Pentagon is pressuring Crimea to force a freeze in the conflict – a time out for a year or two. But nothing in the last 18 months indicates that, in fact, in retrospect, nothing in the last 32 years indicates that.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 14 2023 17:15 utc | 154

Is it too far fetched to expect a mystery explosion occurring on a US attack sub inside one of their dry docks?
unimperator | Sep 14 2023 15:45 utc | 41

Tech has changed, the operative would surely be caught so it better be one hell of an explosion.
It would be wasting a very valuable operative so while possible I wouldn’t expect it.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 14 2023 17:16 utc | 155

Is it too far fetched to expect a mystery explosion occurring on a US attack sub inside one of their dry docks?
unimperator | Sep 14 2023 15:45 utc | 41

Tech has changed, the operative would surely be caught so it better be one hell of an explosion.
It would be wasting a very valuable operative so while possible I wouldn’t expect it.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 14 2023 17:16 utc | 156

Talking about Ru’s Wonder Weapons, I came across a video clip, a week or so ago, purporting to show the launch of a nuclear-powered cruise missile. It launched from a ramp at about 20 degrees above horizontal and streaked aloft with the same violent crackling sound one hears in the early phase of an orbital rocket launch.
I assume that this type of missile is based on the principle of a ram jet or scram jet and would operate within the atmosphere. But the manner in which the heat generated in the combustion chamber is confined to the combustion chamber is impossible to imagine – for me.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 14 2023 17:19 utc | 157

Talking about Ru’s Wonder Weapons, I came across a video clip, a week or so ago, purporting to show the launch of a nuclear-powered cruise missile. It launched from a ramp at about 20 degrees above horizontal and streaked aloft with the same violent crackling sound one hears in the early phase of an orbital rocket launch.
I assume that this type of missile is based on the principle of a ram jet or scram jet and would operate within the atmosphere. But the manner in which the heat generated in the combustion chamber is confined to the combustion chamber is impossible to imagine – for me.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 14 2023 17:19 utc | 158

It’s kind of weird being an American and rooting against my own country
Frank McGar @ 45
Not at all, when your country isn’t the constitutional republic it was supposed to be and has morphed into the primary component of the blood-mad Anglo-American empire. Any true patriot in the Anglosphere and beyond should be implacably hostile to the globalist regime.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 14 2023 17:21 utc | 159

It’s kind of weird being an American and rooting against my own country
Frank McGar @ 45
Not at all, when your country isn’t the constitutional republic it was supposed to be and has morphed into the primary component of the blood-mad Anglo-American empire. Any true patriot in the Anglosphere and beyond should be implacably hostile to the globalist regime.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 14 2023 17:21 utc | 160

Now there’s news circulating that Ukraine is currently bombing SEVASTOPOL again! I guess all the talk about failure of the Ukrainian counteroffensive was premature.
Posted by: bored | Sep 14 2023 17:08 utc | 75
NOT Ukraine. This is a deliberate falsehood, propagated in order to establish that the Ukrainians are the ones fighting back against the evil Russians, when in fact it is NATO attacking Russia with a whiff of plausible deniability.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 14 2023 17:24 utc | 161

Now there’s news circulating that Ukraine is currently bombing SEVASTOPOL again! I guess all the talk about failure of the Ukrainian counteroffensive was premature.
Posted by: bored | Sep 14 2023 17:08 utc | 75
NOT Ukraine. This is a deliberate falsehood, propagated in order to establish that the Ukrainians are the ones fighting back against the evil Russians, when in fact it is NATO attacking Russia with a whiff of plausible deniability.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 14 2023 17:24 utc | 162

Latest from Russia MOD per southfront https://southfront.press/kiev-forces-face-failure-across-the-front-videos
Kiev forces have made several failed advance attempts across the front, according to the September 14 briefing by the Russian Ministry of Defense.
In the Donetsk direction, the Russian Yug Group of Forces repelled eight attacks by Ukraine’s 80th Airborne Assault Brigade and 59th Motorised Brigade near Klescheevka, Berdichi and Pervomayskoye.
Up to 350 Ukrainian troops were killed or wounded during the fighting in this direction, the ministry said, adding that three armored fighting vehicles, five motor vehicles, three American-made M777 towed howitzers and M109 self-propelled howitzers and one D-30 towed howitzer were destroyed.
Moreover, an ammunition depot of the 28th Mechanised Brigade was targeted and destroyed by the group in the outskirts of Dileevka.
In the Zaporozhye direction, three attacks by the 82nd Airborne Assault Brigade and 71st Jaeger Brigade were repelled close to Verbovoye.
The ministry said that 95 Ukrainian troops, one tank, two armored fighting vehicles and three motor vehicles were neutralized in this direction. In addition, six towed howitzers, one M777, one M119, one British-made FH-70, one Msta-B, one D-20 and one D-30, were destroyed by counter-battery fire.
And in the South Donetsk direction, the Russian Tsentr Group of Forces repelled an attack by the 128rd Territorial Defence Brigade close to Priyutnoye.
Around 140 Ukrainian troops, one tank, two armored fighting vehicles and three motor vehicles were neutralized during the fighting, according to the ministry.
In the Krasny Liman direction, the Tsentr Group of Forces repelled an attack by the 63rd Mechanised Brigade of Kiev forces close to Chervonaya Dibrova. The group also targeted several gatherings of manpower and equipment near Seversk, Grigorovka and Serebryanka.
Up to 55 Ukrainian troops, three armored fighting vehicles, three motor vehicles and one D-20 towed howitzer were destroyed in this direction, the ministry said.
In the Kupyansk direction, the Russian Zapad Group of Forces repelled an attack by the 30th Mechanised Brigade close to Sinkovka. During the fighting, 130 Ukrainian troops, two infantry fighting vehicles and three motor vehicles were neutralized, according to the ministry.
Moreover, one M777 towed howitzer, one American-made M109 self-propelled howitzer and an American-made AN/TPQ-36 counter-battery radar were destroyed by counter-battery fire. Several ammunition depot of Kiev forces were also targeted and destroyed close to Berestovoye and Tikhoye.
Meanwhile in the Kherson direction, Kiev forces lost 70 troops, one armored fighting vehicle, seven motor vehicles and one D-30 towed howitzer to Russian artillery fire.
The Russian MoD also provided the following details during its briefing:
Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Group of Forces have engaged AFU manpower and hardware in 143 areas during the day.
In addition, one P-18 air target detection and tracking radar station was destroyed near Novopavlovka (Donetsk People’s Republic).
Two command posts of the AFU 100th Territorial Defence Brigade and the 15th regiment of Ukraine’s National Guard were hit near Serebryanka and Krasny Liman (Donetsk People’s Republic).
One AFU ammunition depot was wiped out close to Trudovoye (Zaporozhye region).
Fighter aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down one Mi-8 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force near Krasny Liman (Donetsk People’s Republic).
Russian air defense systems intercepted four HIMARS MLRS projectiles during the day.
Furthermore, during the day, 53 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were neutralized and suppressed by radio electronic warfare means close to Verkhnekamenka, Topolevka (Lugansk People’s Republic), Peski, Vasilevka, Krasnaya Gora (Donetsk People’s Republic), Novofedorovka, Vasilyevka (Zaporozhye region), Aleshki and Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region).

Posted by: ctiger | Sep 14 2023 17:28 utc | 163

Latest from Russia MOD per southfront https://southfront.press/kiev-forces-face-failure-across-the-front-videos
Kiev forces have made several failed advance attempts across the front, according to the September 14 briefing by the Russian Ministry of Defense.
In the Donetsk direction, the Russian Yug Group of Forces repelled eight attacks by Ukraine’s 80th Airborne Assault Brigade and 59th Motorised Brigade near Klescheevka, Berdichi and Pervomayskoye.
Up to 350 Ukrainian troops were killed or wounded during the fighting in this direction, the ministry said, adding that three armored fighting vehicles, five motor vehicles, three American-made M777 towed howitzers and M109 self-propelled howitzers and one D-30 towed howitzer were destroyed.
Moreover, an ammunition depot of the 28th Mechanised Brigade was targeted and destroyed by the group in the outskirts of Dileevka.
In the Zaporozhye direction, three attacks by the 82nd Airborne Assault Brigade and 71st Jaeger Brigade were repelled close to Verbovoye.
The ministry said that 95 Ukrainian troops, one tank, two armored fighting vehicles and three motor vehicles were neutralized in this direction. In addition, six towed howitzers, one M777, one M119, one British-made FH-70, one Msta-B, one D-20 and one D-30, were destroyed by counter-battery fire.
And in the South Donetsk direction, the Russian Tsentr Group of Forces repelled an attack by the 128rd Territorial Defence Brigade close to Priyutnoye.
Around 140 Ukrainian troops, one tank, two armored fighting vehicles and three motor vehicles were neutralized during the fighting, according to the ministry.
In the Krasny Liman direction, the Tsentr Group of Forces repelled an attack by the 63rd Mechanised Brigade of Kiev forces close to Chervonaya Dibrova. The group also targeted several gatherings of manpower and equipment near Seversk, Grigorovka and Serebryanka.
Up to 55 Ukrainian troops, three armored fighting vehicles, three motor vehicles and one D-20 towed howitzer were destroyed in this direction, the ministry said.
In the Kupyansk direction, the Russian Zapad Group of Forces repelled an attack by the 30th Mechanised Brigade close to Sinkovka. During the fighting, 130 Ukrainian troops, two infantry fighting vehicles and three motor vehicles were neutralized, according to the ministry.
Moreover, one M777 towed howitzer, one American-made M109 self-propelled howitzer and an American-made AN/TPQ-36 counter-battery radar were destroyed by counter-battery fire. Several ammunition depot of Kiev forces were also targeted and destroyed close to Berestovoye and Tikhoye.
Meanwhile in the Kherson direction, Kiev forces lost 70 troops, one armored fighting vehicle, seven motor vehicles and one D-30 towed howitzer to Russian artillery fire.
The Russian MoD also provided the following details during its briefing:
Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Group of Forces have engaged AFU manpower and hardware in 143 areas during the day.
In addition, one P-18 air target detection and tracking radar station was destroyed near Novopavlovka (Donetsk People’s Republic).
Two command posts of the AFU 100th Territorial Defence Brigade and the 15th regiment of Ukraine’s National Guard were hit near Serebryanka and Krasny Liman (Donetsk People’s Republic).
One AFU ammunition depot was wiped out close to Trudovoye (Zaporozhye region).
Fighter aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down one Mi-8 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force near Krasny Liman (Donetsk People’s Republic).
Russian air defense systems intercepted four HIMARS MLRS projectiles during the day.
Furthermore, during the day, 53 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were neutralized and suppressed by radio electronic warfare means close to Verkhnekamenka, Topolevka (Lugansk People’s Republic), Peski, Vasilevka, Krasnaya Gora (Donetsk People’s Republic), Novofedorovka, Vasilyevka (Zaporozhye region), Aleshki and Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region).

Posted by: ctiger | Sep 14 2023 17:28 utc | 164

@Constantine | Sep 14 2023 17:24 utc | 81
Well Russia better wake the hell up and take this more seriously. I hope the Russians realize that, aside from some military assistance from Iran and maybe NK, they are in this on their own. China, India, Brazil and the rest of BRICS nations are pussies watching from the sidelines. The irony is, once Russia is overwhelmed and a Western puppet is put in power, the rest of the BRICS nations will fall like dominoes. Instead of backing their ally fully, like NATO nations do, they look the other way.

Posted by: bored | Sep 14 2023 17:31 utc | 165

@Constantine | Sep 14 2023 17:24 utc | 81
Well Russia better wake the hell up and take this more seriously. I hope the Russians realize that, aside from some military assistance from Iran and maybe NK, they are in this on their own. China, India, Brazil and the rest of BRICS nations are pussies watching from the sidelines. The irony is, once Russia is overwhelmed and a Western puppet is put in power, the rest of the BRICS nations will fall like dominoes. Instead of backing their ally fully, like NATO nations do, they look the other way.

Posted by: bored | Sep 14 2023 17:31 utc | 166

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 14 2023 17:00 utc | 73
Putin said that the weapons would be be based on new physical principles, not that the principles in them selves would be new.
And as far as I know lasers haven’t been used as weapons, except a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away…
It’s the only technology I can think of that would be useful (imagine launch to impact time practically zero) and that might be mature enough to be made operational.
Mind you, weapons manufacturing is in no way my field. I did build a cross bow from scratch in my early teens. But I don’t think that’s on Ps agenda.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 14 2023 17:43 utc | 167

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 14 2023 17:00 utc | 73
Putin said that the weapons would be be based on new physical principles, not that the principles in them selves would be new.
And as far as I know lasers haven’t been used as weapons, except a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away…
It’s the only technology I can think of that would be useful (imagine launch to impact time practically zero) and that might be mature enough to be made operational.
Mind you, weapons manufacturing is in no way my field. I did build a cross bow from scratch in my early teens. But I don’t think that’s on Ps agenda.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 14 2023 17:43 utc | 168

This is my first post here.
I wanted to react on the subject of new weapons. What I’m about to say is of course unproven and should be taken with a grain of salt.
Jean-Pierre Petit, a controversial 86-year-old French scientist who nevertheless publishes in peer-reviewed scientific journals, is convinced that Russia has developed MHD (magnetohydrodynamic) technology, which cancels out shock waves.
To put it in a nutshell, a plane or missile carrying this technology would experience subsonic friction, even when traveling at super/hypersonic speeds. And that changes everything.
He explained the principle as early as the 1980s, notably in a popular science comic entitled “The Silence Barrier”, which is translated into English and available
here.
If you’re a physics buff, you’re in for a treat. (Whether he’s right or wrong about Russia’s use of this technology doesn’t change the fact that the principle is real and interesting.)
He attended propulsion symposia in Moscow in the 1980s, and claims that the USSR and then Russia continued to develop this technology.
According to him, this technology is the key to hypersonic missiles, which would otherwise be unable to reach speeds of Mach 10 in dense atmosphere without melting due to heating. In his 80s comic strip, he explains why such a projectile would be surrounded by a plasma, why this plasma would be yellow, and above all why the missile would be relatively silent, which is what we observe today (a correct prediction 40 years ahead of time).
In fact, on the few videos where we see a hypersonic missile in flight, it is very quiet, much quieter than a Kalibr. A car at 130km/h on the freeway seems much noisier than a hypersonic missile: you can hear the crackle of the engine, but no sifling, or “tearing of the air”. This silence has led some to claim that these videos are fake, since it’s impossible to fly at mach 10 in silence. MHD would explain both the silence and the missile’s speed.
Perhaps someone knows more about the Kinjhal’s silence?
This technology could also be mounted on an airplane, which could then fly at unexplainable speeds without the need for a hypersonic design, while remaining maneuverable. He also believes that this technology could be used in the construction of non-nuclear weapons of mass destruction.
That’s what I think of when the Russians talk about “new physical principles”. Of course, it’s possible that this is completely false and that they’re referring to something else.
Besides, I don’t want to get into a debate about the personality of the very sulphurous Jean-Pierre Petit. This is simply the only clue I have as to how a hypersonic missile could fly silently.

Posted by: MSardou | Sep 14 2023 17:56 utc | 169

This is my first post here.
I wanted to react on the subject of new weapons. What I’m about to say is of course unproven and should be taken with a grain of salt.
Jean-Pierre Petit, a controversial 86-year-old French scientist who nevertheless publishes in peer-reviewed scientific journals, is convinced that Russia has developed MHD (magnetohydrodynamic) technology, which cancels out shock waves.
To put it in a nutshell, a plane or missile carrying this technology would experience subsonic friction, even when traveling at super/hypersonic speeds. And that changes everything.
He explained the principle as early as the 1980s, notably in a popular science comic entitled “The Silence Barrier”, which is translated into English and available
here.
If you’re a physics buff, you’re in for a treat. (Whether he’s right or wrong about Russia’s use of this technology doesn’t change the fact that the principle is real and interesting.)
He attended propulsion symposia in Moscow in the 1980s, and claims that the USSR and then Russia continued to develop this technology.
According to him, this technology is the key to hypersonic missiles, which would otherwise be unable to reach speeds of Mach 10 in dense atmosphere without melting due to heating. In his 80s comic strip, he explains why such a projectile would be surrounded by a plasma, why this plasma would be yellow, and above all why the missile would be relatively silent, which is what we observe today (a correct prediction 40 years ahead of time).
In fact, on the few videos where we see a hypersonic missile in flight, it is very quiet, much quieter than a Kalibr. A car at 130km/h on the freeway seems much noisier than a hypersonic missile: you can hear the crackle of the engine, but no sifling, or “tearing of the air”. This silence has led some to claim that these videos are fake, since it’s impossible to fly at mach 10 in silence. MHD would explain both the silence and the missile’s speed.
Perhaps someone knows more about the Kinjhal’s silence?
This technology could also be mounted on an airplane, which could then fly at unexplainable speeds without the need for a hypersonic design, while remaining maneuverable. He also believes that this technology could be used in the construction of non-nuclear weapons of mass destruction.
That’s what I think of when the Russians talk about “new physical principles”. Of course, it’s possible that this is completely false and that they’re referring to something else.
Besides, I don’t want to get into a debate about the personality of the very sulphurous Jean-Pierre Petit. This is simply the only clue I have as to how a hypersonic missile could fly silently.

Posted by: MSardou | Sep 14 2023 17:56 utc | 170

Posted by: bored | Sep 14 2023 17:08 utc | 75
bored. I forgot to add you to the list of NATO / Nazi cheerleaders. People get killed, you cheer.
So what you’re cheering here with your excited little exclamation mark, is the Kiev regime helped by Anglos, bombing and killing people of the territory that they claim to be Ukraine. More accurately it is the former Ukrainian territory. Now bored NATO / Nazi cheerleader, consider that your NATO / Nazi side kills hundreds in the attack on Sevastopol. That leaves hundreds of thousands of survivors in Sevastopol cursing the Kiev regime for their attack. How do you think that affects their decision to be part of Russia? That’s right bored, it re-affirms why they voted to leave the US installed government in Kiev who has been killing ‘Moskals’ for coming up to ten years.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 14 2023 17:58 utc | 171

Posted by: bored | Sep 14 2023 17:08 utc | 75
bored. I forgot to add you to the list of NATO / Nazi cheerleaders. People get killed, you cheer.
So what you’re cheering here with your excited little exclamation mark, is the Kiev regime helped by Anglos, bombing and killing people of the territory that they claim to be Ukraine. More accurately it is the former Ukrainian territory. Now bored NATO / Nazi cheerleader, consider that your NATO / Nazi side kills hundreds in the attack on Sevastopol. That leaves hundreds of thousands of survivors in Sevastopol cursing the Kiev regime for their attack. How do you think that affects their decision to be part of Russia? That’s right bored, it re-affirms why they voted to leave the US installed government in Kiev who has been killing ‘Moskals’ for coming up to ten years.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 14 2023 17:58 utc | 172

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 14 2023 17:58 utc | 86
I think you misunderstood my post. I’m not cheering NATO or the UkroNazis, I’m in disbelief that Russia isn’t taking this more seriously. Fantasizing about NATO running out of men, money, and weapons to send to Ukraine isn’t going to win this war. If Russia really does have the resources and material they claim to possess, they should make hundreds of thousands of kamikazee drons and unleash hell on the lunatic Nazis in Kiev.

Posted by: bored | Sep 14 2023 18:23 utc | 173

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 14 2023 17:58 utc | 86
I think you misunderstood my post. I’m not cheering NATO or the UkroNazis, I’m in disbelief that Russia isn’t taking this more seriously. Fantasizing about NATO running out of men, money, and weapons to send to Ukraine isn’t going to win this war. If Russia really does have the resources and material they claim to possess, they should make hundreds of thousands of kamikazee drons and unleash hell on the lunatic Nazis in Kiev.

Posted by: bored | Sep 14 2023 18:23 utc | 174

Meds talks a lot. Youd be better off not taking much of his rhetoric to heart.
Posted by: Comandante | Sep 14 2023 14:02 utc | 3
Well, if one look production quantities of Uralvagonzavod pre war time, best year in 2013 it produced more than 250 tanks per year. If this quantity is tripled just working in three shifts, we get 750 tank from Uralvagonzavod alone…

Posted by: Pavi | Sep 14 2023 18:26 utc | 175

Meds talks a lot. Youd be better off not taking much of his rhetoric to heart.
Posted by: Comandante | Sep 14 2023 14:02 utc | 3
Well, if one look production quantities of Uralvagonzavod pre war time, best year in 2013 it produced more than 250 tanks per year. If this quantity is tripled just working in three shifts, we get 750 tank from Uralvagonzavod alone…

Posted by: Pavi | Sep 14 2023 18:26 utc | 176

Posted by: MSardou | Sep 14 2023 17:56 utc | 85
Very interesting. The Soviets isolation from the west resulted in some very interesting science. They seen to have a better / different understanding of the EM spectrum than we do. It was their abandoned research that resulted in US stealth technology and they use SOKS chemical / radiological sniffers to track submerged submarines despite having sonar technology.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 14 2023 18:28 utc | 177

Posted by: MSardou | Sep 14 2023 17:56 utc | 85
Very interesting. The Soviets isolation from the west resulted in some very interesting science. They seen to have a better / different understanding of the EM spectrum than we do. It was their abandoned research that resulted in US stealth technology and they use SOKS chemical / radiological sniffers to track submerged submarines despite having sonar technology.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 14 2023 18:28 utc | 178

@Comandante | Sep 14 2023 14:01 utc | 2

So stop bumping your chests and act like an intelligent species.

And what species would that be?

Posted by: majoab | Sep 14 2023 18:33 utc | 179

@Comandante | Sep 14 2023 14:01 utc | 2

So stop bumping your chests and act like an intelligent species.

And what species would that be?

Posted by: majoab | Sep 14 2023 18:33 utc | 180

Raytheon has walked away from the large SAM deal with Saudi Arabia. Wonder who’s going to take it.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/a-saudi-defense-contractor-courted-russia-and-china-then-its-u-s-business-partners-fled-962527ad

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2023 18:34 utc | 181

Raytheon has walked away from the large SAM deal with Saudi Arabia. Wonder who’s going to take it.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/a-saudi-defense-contractor-courted-russia-and-china-then-its-u-s-business-partners-fled-962527ad

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2023 18:34 utc | 182

@44 Mark Thomason, re: Russia’s recent deal-making with DPRK:
Yes, it’s a reciprocal of the U.S.’s Taiwan provocation, but with a very interesting twist.
While the U.S. can attack Russia via Ukraine, China and Russia didn’t, until very recently, have a surrogate that was ready, willing and able to actively provoke the U.S. and our allies Japan and S. Korea.
DPRK seems willing to perform that function.
I just took a look at the map, and noticed that DPRK shares a border with Russia, and along that border is Russia’s main Pacific trading port, Vladivostok, and through that port goes all manner of goods, including energy and food and minerals…and warships.
Everything DPRK needs to become a major irritation to the U.S.
And if … or once … DPRK has been rehabilitated economically and politically, that genie isn’t going back into the bottle. Tough times for Japan and S. Korea going forward, regardless of how long the U.S. “stays interested”.
@c1ue: Where ya been?

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 14 2023 18:35 utc | 183

@44 Mark Thomason, re: Russia’s recent deal-making with DPRK:
Yes, it’s a reciprocal of the U.S.’s Taiwan provocation, but with a very interesting twist.
While the U.S. can attack Russia via Ukraine, China and Russia didn’t, until very recently, have a surrogate that was ready, willing and able to actively provoke the U.S. and our allies Japan and S. Korea.
DPRK seems willing to perform that function.
I just took a look at the map, and noticed that DPRK shares a border with Russia, and along that border is Russia’s main Pacific trading port, Vladivostok, and through that port goes all manner of goods, including energy and food and minerals…and warships.
Everything DPRK needs to become a major irritation to the U.S.
And if … or once … DPRK has been rehabilitated economically and politically, that genie isn’t going back into the bottle. Tough times for Japan and S. Korea going forward, regardless of how long the U.S. “stays interested”.
@c1ue: Where ya been?

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 14 2023 18:35 utc | 184

I am noticing an unusually high number of Ukraine trolls commenting on this blog posts. Seems like the NYTimes article put them in damage control.

Posted by: Peter | Sep 14 2023 18:45 utc | 185

I am noticing an unusually high number of Ukraine trolls commenting on this blog posts. Seems like the NYTimes article put them in damage control.

Posted by: Peter | Sep 14 2023 18:45 utc | 186

Its kind of weird being an American and rooting against my own country…
Frank McGarry. 39
You’re not rooting against your country. You are rooting against the treasonous traitors that are running your government.

Posted by: Joekacfromadanac | Sep 14 2023 18:50 utc | 187

Its kind of weird being an American and rooting against my own country…
Frank McGarry. 39
You’re not rooting against your country. You are rooting against the treasonous traitors that are running your government.

Posted by: Joekacfromadanac | Sep 14 2023 18:50 utc | 188

Can’t imagine a reason why a talented engineer would accept a job with an American defense contractor. Career suicide. Only third string would take the money. Who wants to be associated with the next F-35.
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 14 2023 16:23 utc | 57
############
The same reason that thousands of America’s daughters are on OnlyFans. Money and short-term thinking.
For a citizenry to behave rationally requires a rational civilization with the appropriate incentives and norms for productive and healthy behavior. America is the case study in institutionalized social, moral, ethical, economic and military dysfunction these days.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 14 2023 18:56 utc | 189

Can’t imagine a reason why a talented engineer would accept a job with an American defense contractor. Career suicide. Only third string would take the money. Who wants to be associated with the next F-35.
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 14 2023 16:23 utc | 57
############
The same reason that thousands of America’s daughters are on OnlyFans. Money and short-term thinking.
For a citizenry to behave rationally requires a rational civilization with the appropriate incentives and norms for productive and healthy behavior. America is the case study in institutionalized social, moral, ethical, economic and military dysfunction these days.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 14 2023 18:56 utc | 190

@MSardou | Sep 14 2023 17:56 utc | 85
Very interesting post, thanks a lot for that. I will read that PDF and see what I can make of it. You make some good arguments for something that may or may not be happening, but it does get me interested. Thanks again.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 14 2023 18:57 utc | 191

@MSardou | Sep 14 2023 17:56 utc | 85
Very interesting post, thanks a lot for that. I will read that PDF and see what I can make of it. You make some good arguments for something that may or may not be happening, but it does get me interested. Thanks again.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 14 2023 18:57 utc | 192

@oldhippie #56
“Can’t imagine a reason why a talented engineer would accept a job with an American defense contractor. Career suicide. Only third string would take the money. Who wants to be associated with the next F-35”
At the time, I didn’t want to be associated with the next Vietnam, and while it’s probably cost a hell of a lot of lost money, there are zero regrets.

Posted by: BillB | Sep 14 2023 19:07 utc | 193

@oldhippie #56
“Can’t imagine a reason why a talented engineer would accept a job with an American defense contractor. Career suicide. Only third string would take the money. Who wants to be associated with the next F-35”
At the time, I didn’t want to be associated with the next Vietnam, and while it’s probably cost a hell of a lot of lost money, there are zero regrets.

Posted by: BillB | Sep 14 2023 19:07 utc | 194

China is on 155mm
So unless it’s got old stock or is taking new orders from Russia China can’t supply 152mm to Russia directly. NK definitely can.
I also read a while back one of the first shipment across the new amur bridge between China and Russia was a batch of robotic arms to automate the Russia shell production line.

Posted by: A.L. | Sep 14 2023 19:22 utc | 195

China is on 155mm
So unless it’s got old stock or is taking new orders from Russia China can’t supply 152mm to Russia directly. NK definitely can.
I also read a while back one of the first shipment across the new amur bridge between China and Russia was a batch of robotic arms to automate the Russia shell production line.

Posted by: A.L. | Sep 14 2023 19:22 utc | 196

Its kind of weird being an American and rooting against my own country…
Frank McGarry. 39
You’re not rooting against your country. You are rooting against the treasonous traitors that are running your government.
Posted by: Joekacfromadanac | Sep 14 2023 18:50 utc | 93
Exactly. The country has been totally usurped from the people by billionaire oligarchs. You’re country is the people of the United States, not these filthy criminals in power.
The people of the US would never risk nuclear war for a Nazi junta in some third rare rump of country half way across the world. This is happening precisely because they have been silenced and stripped of all power.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 14 2023 19:28 utc | 197

Its kind of weird being an American and rooting against my own country…
Frank McGarry. 39
You’re not rooting against your country. You are rooting against the treasonous traitors that are running your government.
Posted by: Joekacfromadanac | Sep 14 2023 18:50 utc | 93
Exactly. The country has been totally usurped from the people by billionaire oligarchs. You’re country is the people of the United States, not these filthy criminals in power.
The people of the US would never risk nuclear war for a Nazi junta in some third rare rump of country half way across the world. This is happening precisely because they have been silenced and stripped of all power.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 14 2023 19:28 utc | 198

@ LightYearsFromHome | Sep 14 2023 15:30 utc | 30

If it is going to become WW3 China will play the financial and industrial roll the USA played in WW2 for England, France, and the USSR. WW2 didn’t just go bang on day one, it also built up by degrees, the more China is dragged into the SMO, the bigger it’s roll becomes, the weaker the west’s hand will become, to the point of criticality. Honestly, I don’t see how the west stands a chance.

I assume the calculation of the west is getting China to do the “italian move of WW1”. Switch side in trade for substantial territorial gains in sibiria, and not to forget the outer Manchuria, still a pain in the chinese soule.
This is a scenario Joel Skoussen was talking about in his Alex Jones Interview. The question is, how close are the Chinese Russian ties despite beeing natural enemies for territorial claims….
I am not sure who is really in charge in china. Are these Chinese or the same elite being in charge in the west. After moving from London to New York now on the jump to make Peking the next “Babylon”.

Posted by: Johnny | Sep 14 2023 19:44 utc | 199

@ LightYearsFromHome | Sep 14 2023 15:30 utc | 30

If it is going to become WW3 China will play the financial and industrial roll the USA played in WW2 for England, France, and the USSR. WW2 didn’t just go bang on day one, it also built up by degrees, the more China is dragged into the SMO, the bigger it’s roll becomes, the weaker the west’s hand will become, to the point of criticality. Honestly, I don’t see how the west stands a chance.

I assume the calculation of the west is getting China to do the “italian move of WW1”. Switch side in trade for substantial territorial gains in sibiria, and not to forget the outer Manchuria, still a pain in the chinese soule.
This is a scenario Joel Skoussen was talking about in his Alex Jones Interview. The question is, how close are the Chinese Russian ties despite beeing natural enemies for territorial claims….
I am not sure who is really in charge in china. Are these Chinese or the same elite being in charge in the west. After moving from London to New York now on the jump to make Peking the next “Babylon”.

Posted by: Johnny | Sep 14 2023 19:44 utc | 200