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September 8, 2023
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MoA on October 17, 2012:U.S. Minesweeping Failures Make War On Iran Unlikely

The U.S. navy has for some time tried to develop new mine hunting systems to be put on the new class of oversized unarmed speedboats Littoral Combat Ships. These efforts have so far failed. When they eventually succeed the capability of the new system will likely be much less than expected.

I was wrong. The efforts did not succeed.
Pro Publica on September 7, 2022: The Inside Story of How the Navy Spent Billions on the “Little Crappy Ship”

The ongoing problems with the LCS have been well documented for years, in news articles, government reports and congressional hearings. Each ship ultimately cost more than twice the original estimate. Worse, they were hobbled by an array of mechanical failures and were never able to carry out the missions envisaged by their champions.

Posted by: b | Sep 8 2023 8:26 utc | 1

MoA on October 17, 2012:U.S. Minesweeping Failures Make War On Iran Unlikely

The U.S. navy has for some time tried to develop new mine hunting systems to be put on the new class of oversized unarmed speedboats Littoral Combat Ships. These efforts have so far failed. When they eventually succeed the capability of the new system will likely be much less than expected.

I was wrong. The efforts did not succeed.
Pro Publica on September 7, 2022: The Inside Story of How the Navy Spent Billions on the “Little Crappy Ship”

The ongoing problems with the LCS have been well documented for years, in news articles, government reports and congressional hearings. Each ship ultimately cost more than twice the original estimate. Worse, they were hobbled by an array of mechanical failures and were never able to carry out the missions envisaged by their champions.

Posted by: b | Sep 8 2023 8:26 utc | 2

Lots of wishes there buddy, few if any grounded in reality though. Chechnya is as stable as it can be. Moldovans just have barely functional country so no appetite for war there. Georgians are currently avoiding any direct confrontation with Russia while not giving up on South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Your take on Belarus is even more deluded. After watching Ukraine burn I think just the hardcore ultranationalist would thunk of turning west.

Posted by: Ok Ear | Sep 8 2023 8:59 utc | 3

Lots of wishes there buddy, few if any grounded in reality though. Chechnya is as stable as it can be. Moldovans just have barely functional country so no appetite for war there. Georgians are currently avoiding any direct confrontation with Russia while not giving up on South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Your take on Belarus is even more deluded. After watching Ukraine burn I think just the hardcore ultranationalist would thunk of turning west.

Posted by: Ok Ear | Sep 8 2023 8:59 utc | 4

This is too funny not to post. Put on your VR goggles and buckle up!

Bogus Supplier of Jet-Engine Parts May Have Faked Employees Too
Stock photos on purported LinkedIn profiles and murky career paths point to a company built on fabricated claims.
As chief commercial officer of aircraft-parts supplier AOG Technics Ltd., Ray Kwong can look back on a well-rounded career at A-list companies including All Nippon Airways Co., Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd. and Nissan Motor Co.
That, at least, is Kwong’s two-decade corporate journey on what appears to be his LinkedIn profile, from which the self-proclaimed executive beams with a broad smile and striped tie in blue hues. Trouble is that — much like the company for which Kwong now claims to work — not all is as it seems.
Kwong, if he even exists, was never employed at Nissan, or at ANA for that matter. Neither company has records of him as a former worker, they said in response to queries by Bloomberg News. His employment history could also not be verified at Mitsubishi. What is used as his profile picture turns out to be a stock photo that’s also washed up elsewhere on the Internet, from promotional material for a German textile startup to a clinic in Northbrook, Illinois.

The parts supplied by AOG went into engines that power many older-generation Airbus SE A320 and Boeing Co. 737 planes, by far the most widely flown category of commercial aircraft

Based on the UK’s Companies House records, AOG was established in 2015. The supplier of parts to third-party engine repair shops was created by Jose Zamora Yrala using the address of a three-bedroom terraced house in Hove, a sleepy residential town on the UK coast about an hour south of London.

On its website, The Argyll Club offers virtual offices as one option that lets businesses rent an address for as little as £100 a month, giving them a venerable address without the cost of actually maintaining a physical office space.

AOG’s business partners have meanwhile begun distancing themselves from the company. Aircraft parts distributor B&H Worldwide, which claimed to have worked with AOG on exports to Europe and the US, has deleted a press release announcing a March 2020 deal to manage the logistics of aircraft spare parts and engine materials for its Frankfurt facility. Its chief executive officer, Stuart Allen, didn’t respond to requests for comment.
[continues https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-08/linkedin-profiles-expose-bogus-claims-at-fake-parts-supplier-to-jet-engines ]

These virtual frauds need a sprinkling of AI fairydust to really take oof.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 8 2023 9:06 utc | 5

This is too funny not to post. Put on your VR goggles and buckle up!

Bogus Supplier of Jet-Engine Parts May Have Faked Employees Too
Stock photos on purported LinkedIn profiles and murky career paths point to a company built on fabricated claims.
As chief commercial officer of aircraft-parts supplier AOG Technics Ltd., Ray Kwong can look back on a well-rounded career at A-list companies including All Nippon Airways Co., Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd. and Nissan Motor Co.
That, at least, is Kwong’s two-decade corporate journey on what appears to be his LinkedIn profile, from which the self-proclaimed executive beams with a broad smile and striped tie in blue hues. Trouble is that — much like the company for which Kwong now claims to work — not all is as it seems.
Kwong, if he even exists, was never employed at Nissan, or at ANA for that matter. Neither company has records of him as a former worker, they said in response to queries by Bloomberg News. His employment history could also not be verified at Mitsubishi. What is used as his profile picture turns out to be a stock photo that’s also washed up elsewhere on the Internet, from promotional material for a German textile startup to a clinic in Northbrook, Illinois.

The parts supplied by AOG went into engines that power many older-generation Airbus SE A320 and Boeing Co. 737 planes, by far the most widely flown category of commercial aircraft

Based on the UK’s Companies House records, AOG was established in 2015. The supplier of parts to third-party engine repair shops was created by Jose Zamora Yrala using the address of a three-bedroom terraced house in Hove, a sleepy residential town on the UK coast about an hour south of London.

On its website, The Argyll Club offers virtual offices as one option that lets businesses rent an address for as little as £100 a month, giving them a venerable address without the cost of actually maintaining a physical office space.

AOG’s business partners have meanwhile begun distancing themselves from the company. Aircraft parts distributor B&H Worldwide, which claimed to have worked with AOG on exports to Europe and the US, has deleted a press release announcing a March 2020 deal to manage the logistics of aircraft spare parts and engine materials for its Frankfurt facility. Its chief executive officer, Stuart Allen, didn’t respond to requests for comment.
[continues https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-08/linkedin-profiles-expose-bogus-claims-at-fake-parts-supplier-to-jet-engines ]

These virtual frauds need a sprinkling of AI fairydust to really take oof.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 8 2023 9:06 utc | 6

Maria Vorontsova would seem to continue publishing in scientific journals in USA and Switzerland, instead of Russia.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1699122392784609357

Posted by: Mera | Sep 8 2023 9:09 utc | 7

Maria Vorontsova would seem to continue publishing in scientific journals in USA and Switzerland, instead of Russia.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1699122392784609357

Posted by: Mera | Sep 8 2023 9:09 utc | 8

Even if they miraculously win over Ukraine… they will not get out of their whole with these sanctions

Posted by: Nug | Sep 8 2023 9:14 utc | 9

Even if they miraculously win over Ukraine… they will not get out of their whole with these sanctions

Posted by: Nug | Sep 8 2023 9:14 utc | 10

Exactly… China services China. Never forget that. China’s financial interest will dry up. A debt is a debt and must be paid. Sanctions will eventually cripple Russia. Repatriation will take decades to settle. Personal debt will rise. An aging nation with a big chunk of the prime breeders will be dead due to war. It just goes on and on!
This is turning out to be a bottomless shithole for Russia.

Posted by: Bridgetdidit | Sep 8 2023 9:15 utc | 11

Exactly… China services China. Never forget that. China’s financial interest will dry up. A debt is a debt and must be paid. Sanctions will eventually cripple Russia. Repatriation will take decades to settle. Personal debt will rise. An aging nation with a big chunk of the prime breeders will be dead due to war. It just goes on and on!
This is turning out to be a bottomless shithole for Russia.

Posted by: Bridgetdidit | Sep 8 2023 9:15 utc | 12

After reading the comments of this post, I see how large the group of trolls your work is attracting, b. Congratulations. Hope your example is followed by many more german people.

Posted by: António Ferrão | Sep 8 2023 9:40 utc | 13

After reading the comments of this post, I see how large the group of trolls your work is attracting, b. Congratulations. Hope your example is followed by many more german people.

Posted by: António Ferrão | Sep 8 2023 9:40 utc | 14

Love this site and appreciate the work you have done over so many years b.
I just want to know however how it is that no one seems to want to examine if we are swept up in an eschatological moment.
Is this SMO not the beginning of the Gog Magog war of annihilation?
Do we tread as Putin has said the foothills of Armageddon?
Did Putin hit the nail on the head when he drew all the Rabbi’s together to warn them against pursuing a Jewish fantasy of annihilating Russia
Is Medvedev not constantly mentioning the word Armageddon?
Does Russia not see itself and Putin as Katechon?
Did not the Russian Duma in 2017 shortly after Macron’s ascension to the Presidency of France name him Antichrist?
Did Macron the Mozart of finance not put the deal together resulting in the formation of Moderna?
Emmanuel Jean-Michel Frederic requires 36 character spaces to write and isn’t the sum of all number 1 through to 36 you guessed it 666?
Does no one here comprehend the French tongue?
Doesn’t En marchè have a three fold meaning, 1) an exhortation for all to move as one, 2) to get a stamp/mark, 3) to buy or sell?
Does the throne of Pergamon not reside in Berlin?
Seems to me Putin thinks it is Armageddon time and he has the hypersonics and the nukes and every analyst and his dog wants to ignore that extremely scary fact.
Just saying is all.
Yeah, just saying.

Posted by: Powda | Sep 8 2023 10:49 utc | 15

Love this site and appreciate the work you have done over so many years b.
I just want to know however how it is that no one seems to want to examine if we are swept up in an eschatological moment.
Is this SMO not the beginning of the Gog Magog war of annihilation?
Do we tread as Putin has said the foothills of Armageddon?
Did Putin hit the nail on the head when he drew all the Rabbi’s together to warn them against pursuing a Jewish fantasy of annihilating Russia
Is Medvedev not constantly mentioning the word Armageddon?
Does Russia not see itself and Putin as Katechon?
Did not the Russian Duma in 2017 shortly after Macron’s ascension to the Presidency of France name him Antichrist?
Did Macron the Mozart of finance not put the deal together resulting in the formation of Moderna?
Emmanuel Jean-Michel Frederic requires 36 character spaces to write and isn’t the sum of all number 1 through to 36 you guessed it 666?
Does no one here comprehend the French tongue?
Doesn’t En marchè have a three fold meaning, 1) an exhortation for all to move as one, 2) to get a stamp/mark, 3) to buy or sell?
Does the throne of Pergamon not reside in Berlin?
Seems to me Putin thinks it is Armageddon time and he has the hypersonics and the nukes and every analyst and his dog wants to ignore that extremely scary fact.
Just saying is all.
Yeah, just saying.

Posted by: Powda | Sep 8 2023 10:49 utc | 16

If you swap Russia and US, the news goes like this:
Russia has toppled the government of Canada, and installed a puppet regime.
Canada sanctions sales of maple syrup to the US.
Detroit is being bombed with drones that take off from Windsor.
The White House has received a hit.
Biden accuses Russia of being behind the bombing campaign.
Meanwhile, Putin puts his fingers in his ears and sings “la la I can’t hear you”.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 8 2023 11:56 utc | 17

If you swap Russia and US, the news goes like this:
Russia has toppled the government of Canada, and installed a puppet regime.
Canada sanctions sales of maple syrup to the US.
Detroit is being bombed with drones that take off from Windsor.
The White House has received a hit.
Biden accuses Russia of being behind the bombing campaign.
Meanwhile, Putin puts his fingers in his ears and sings “la la I can’t hear you”.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 8 2023 11:56 utc | 18

After India changed its name to ‘Bharat’, I guess the ‘I’ in BRICS now stands for Iran…

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 12:08 utc | 19

After India changed its name to ‘Bharat’, I guess the ‘I’ in BRICS now stands for Iran…

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 12:08 utc | 20

reply to 15
Funny isn’t it how persons with entirely new screen names just show up, offer huge unsupported assertions, and then seem to retire as replaced by others. Neither Ukraine nor the US will win based on fantasies or wishful thinking. I start to wonder if some New Age cult has taken over political thinking here as if they can just ‘manifest’ whatever they want (poof !)
All this rambling about Russia as weak exists while the United States itself decays into third world status. Worse, there is solid support for secession in Texas and California. Are snowflakes and a depleted (and 8% obese) military going to fight for the Union? And what sort of example of control does the government set in Chicago, Baltimore, DC, LA ? What happens after debt monetization by the Fed goes full bore?
“Whataboutism”? Jesus of Nazareth had something to say about that involving a rafter stuck in someone’s eye.

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 8 2023 12:10 utc | 21

reply to 15
Funny isn’t it how persons with entirely new screen names just show up, offer huge unsupported assertions, and then seem to retire as replaced by others. Neither Ukraine nor the US will win based on fantasies or wishful thinking. I start to wonder if some New Age cult has taken over political thinking here as if they can just ‘manifest’ whatever they want (poof !)
All this rambling about Russia as weak exists while the United States itself decays into third world status. Worse, there is solid support for secession in Texas and California. Are snowflakes and a depleted (and 8% obese) military going to fight for the Union? And what sort of example of control does the government set in Chicago, Baltimore, DC, LA ? What happens after debt monetization by the Fed goes full bore?
“Whataboutism”? Jesus of Nazareth had something to say about that involving a rafter stuck in someone’s eye.

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 8 2023 12:10 utc | 22

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 8 2023 12:10 utc | 20
**********
correct, the poor premise “everyday Russia is getting weaker” must anyway be examined according to the standards set by Russia’s nemesis, that banking cartel ponzi scam masquerading as a nation AKA “U.S.A.”
Polls show secessionist sentiment in America are higher than at any time since the Civil War, its industry and manufacturing is a bleak shell of its past glory… millions homeless, millions in prison, a rate of crumbling infrastructure that makes Burundi look like Oslo.
America, as a settler colonial nation whose core (but denied) identity is its foundational act of rape and genocide, and who lacks any core ethnic or religious unity, always relied on a myth about political/economic exceptionalism to cover over its fundamental social DIS-unity as well as to distract from/re-figure its essential violent and imperialist nature. in other words, Americans dont know who they really are (they’re killers–of each other and of the world) but instead rely on a foundation myth to unite them as they tumble toward a future of decay and base consumerism–fueled by (formerly) cheap dollar based credit.
when that economic and political myth is dispelled by the rise of a more fundamentally sound BRICS trade system and when the USA can no longer militarily supress its economic competition and extract wealth from RoW, what will America have to offer its citizens as a bribe for their continued catatonic loyalty? the wind-blown graves of the Sioux? poison water? Amtrak??
💀🇺🇸
America will simply break apart at its deep perforations looong before Russia🤷

Posted by: freedomisthejungle | Sep 8 2023 13:02 utc | 23

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 8 2023 12:10 utc | 20
**********
correct, the poor premise “everyday Russia is getting weaker” must anyway be examined according to the standards set by Russia’s nemesis, that banking cartel ponzi scam masquerading as a nation AKA “U.S.A.”
Polls show secessionist sentiment in America are higher than at any time since the Civil War, its industry and manufacturing is a bleak shell of its past glory… millions homeless, millions in prison, a rate of crumbling infrastructure that makes Burundi look like Oslo.
America, as a settler colonial nation whose core (but denied) identity is its foundational act of rape and genocide, and who lacks any core ethnic or religious unity, always relied on a myth about political/economic exceptionalism to cover over its fundamental social DIS-unity as well as to distract from/re-figure its essential violent and imperialist nature. in other words, Americans dont know who they really are (they’re killers–of each other and of the world) but instead rely on a foundation myth to unite them as they tumble toward a future of decay and base consumerism–fueled by (formerly) cheap dollar based credit.
when that economic and political myth is dispelled by the rise of a more fundamentally sound BRICS trade system and when the USA can no longer militarily supress its economic competition and extract wealth from RoW, what will America have to offer its citizens as a bribe for their continued catatonic loyalty? the wind-blown graves of the Sioux? poison water? Amtrak??
💀🇺🇸
America will simply break apart at its deep perforations looong before Russia🤷

Posted by: freedomisthejungle | Sep 8 2023 13:02 utc | 24

‘Manifestation’ is for real. Before I’m giving my argument, let me state that I only learned this recently, after spending two decades with logic and maths, doing philosophy of science. I was not prepared for this, and I struggled to accept the idea, but when I did it, the effect began to show up everywhere in my life.
Now to the argument.
The idea that all processes in nature are causal chains is conclusively disproven. If they were, you should at least in principle be able to observe them, which you clearly aren’t. Besides the quantum findings, you have Poincaré’s theorem (the butterfly effect), and Goedel’s work on inclompeteness of formal systems as absolute proof that a “functional” view on the world process is inadequate.
Hence, there is a real possibility that our will can influence what happens. Of course, this notion is only sensible if you are actually aware of the process, because if you are not, you are about to reason over a complete fiction, like a parallel universe. Only if at some point you can retrieve the information about the process, it becomes fact.
This is exactly what the quantum findings show: Think of the double slit experiment. Unless you’re measuring, you fundamentally can’t tell where the photon is! And in truth, this holds even for day to day objects such as kitchen tables (which tend to be fairly stable) or trees in the forest, as we’ve discussed here a few weeks ago. The parallel is complete: when I install a recorcder with a microfone in the woods to see if it crashes with a sound, this is like measuring the photon but not actually looking into the data. In both cases, you won’t know for a fact unless you open the file.
This opens a possibility to influence the outcome of past measurements which have not yet been looked at. And yes, there are clear indications of something happening that messes with the expected probability distribution. The simplest experiment is having test persons look at a radioactive decay and try to manifest a faster or slower process. Other ongoing studies use data from CERN and public internet to gather really big data sets. It’s happening, but no one seems to talk about it. Parapsychology is the most fringe science imaginable.
It’s a bit unexpected that empirical “objective” methods lend themselves so well for this field. Here’s another one: in french hospitals, old (like 100 years) archived records of cancer patients where retrieved, but left unopened. The records where then distributed to various religious and spiritual communities, who were told to do their thing for the patients. When they opened the files, it became apparent that the patients who were subject to much prayer and chanting had a generally more benign course of their illness, better survival rates, and more cases of healings.
I could go on with reports of stunning measurements, like an analogous one to the above using the IQ scale of test persons to get more numerically clean data, but the effect is always the one illustrated above.
Now please don’t stone me if the weather is bad tomorrow where you live. Let’s rather have a cold beer or two and let that sink in.

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 8 2023 13:24 utc | 25

‘Manifestation’ is for real. Before I’m giving my argument, let me state that I only learned this recently, after spending two decades with logic and maths, doing philosophy of science. I was not prepared for this, and I struggled to accept the idea, but when I did it, the effect began to show up everywhere in my life.
Now to the argument.
The idea that all processes in nature are causal chains is conclusively disproven. If they were, you should at least in principle be able to observe them, which you clearly aren’t. Besides the quantum findings, you have Poincaré’s theorem (the butterfly effect), and Goedel’s work on inclompeteness of formal systems as absolute proof that a “functional” view on the world process is inadequate.
Hence, there is a real possibility that our will can influence what happens. Of course, this notion is only sensible if you are actually aware of the process, because if you are not, you are about to reason over a complete fiction, like a parallel universe. Only if at some point you can retrieve the information about the process, it becomes fact.
This is exactly what the quantum findings show: Think of the double slit experiment. Unless you’re measuring, you fundamentally can’t tell where the photon is! And in truth, this holds even for day to day objects such as kitchen tables (which tend to be fairly stable) or trees in the forest, as we’ve discussed here a few weeks ago. The parallel is complete: when I install a recorcder with a microfone in the woods to see if it crashes with a sound, this is like measuring the photon but not actually looking into the data. In both cases, you won’t know for a fact unless you open the file.
This opens a possibility to influence the outcome of past measurements which have not yet been looked at. And yes, there are clear indications of something happening that messes with the expected probability distribution. The simplest experiment is having test persons look at a radioactive decay and try to manifest a faster or slower process. Other ongoing studies use data from CERN and public internet to gather really big data sets. It’s happening, but no one seems to talk about it. Parapsychology is the most fringe science imaginable.
It’s a bit unexpected that empirical “objective” methods lend themselves so well for this field. Here’s another one: in french hospitals, old (like 100 years) archived records of cancer patients where retrieved, but left unopened. The records where then distributed to various religious and spiritual communities, who were told to do their thing for the patients. When they opened the files, it became apparent that the patients who were subject to much prayer and chanting had a generally more benign course of their illness, better survival rates, and more cases of healings.
I could go on with reports of stunning measurements, like an analogous one to the above using the IQ scale of test persons to get more numerically clean data, but the effect is always the one illustrated above.
Now please don’t stone me if the weather is bad tomorrow where you live. Let’s rather have a cold beer or two and let that sink in.

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 8 2023 13:24 utc | 26

Russia is a very unstable state, really in a state of still breaking apart after the USSR.

That’s a naked assertion, one I think that is completely unsupported by the evidence.
The fact that Maericas banks are insolvent is simple truth. But don’t worry I’m sure they will continue to use accounting tricks to hide this.
I wonder what happens when they can’t hide it anymore? 🤔

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 8 2023 13:29 utc | 27

Russia is a very unstable state, really in a state of still breaking apart after the USSR.

That’s a naked assertion, one I think that is completely unsupported by the evidence.
The fact that Maericas banks are insolvent is simple truth. But don’t worry I’m sure they will continue to use accounting tricks to hide this.
I wonder what happens when they can’t hide it anymore? 🤔

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 8 2023 13:29 utc | 28

Z and V channel reports
NIGER – Niger authorities have given U.S. Ambassador Kathleen Fitzgibbon 48 hours to leave the country
and
BREAKING NEWS
Niger gives US ambassador 48 hours to leave country – AFP
By REUTERS
Published: SEPTEMBER 7, 2023
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-758081
Niger has given the US ambassador to the country 48 hours to leave, AFP reported on Friday.
The new US Ambassador to Niger Kathleen FitzGibbon only arrived in the capital, Niamey, earlier this month.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 8 2023 13:37 utc | 29

Z and V channel reports
NIGER – Niger authorities have given U.S. Ambassador Kathleen Fitzgibbon 48 hours to leave the country
and
BREAKING NEWS
Niger gives US ambassador 48 hours to leave country – AFP
By REUTERS
Published: SEPTEMBER 7, 2023
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-758081
Niger has given the US ambassador to the country 48 hours to leave, AFP reported on Friday.
The new US Ambassador to Niger Kathleen FitzGibbon only arrived in the capital, Niamey, earlier this month.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 8 2023 13:37 utc | 30

I am starting to believe that charging across an open minefield against an entrenched enemy with pre-aimed artillary and no air support is not really a winning strategy.

Ha, well said. And yet there are seemingly endless highly paid fancy people on TV and in the newspapers making circular arguments recontextualizing winning right in the open.
Winning is the new losing.
As Plato was concerned, sophistry and rhetoric can be deployed in the service of ignorance and evil. There were those then who believed they didn’t need to know anything, only how to convince the public that they do, that is, know something. You can see their disciples today everywhere in the media and government.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 8 2023 13:45 utc | 31

I am starting to believe that charging across an open minefield against an entrenched enemy with pre-aimed artillary and no air support is not really a winning strategy.

Ha, well said. And yet there are seemingly endless highly paid fancy people on TV and in the newspapers making circular arguments recontextualizing winning right in the open.
Winning is the new losing.
As Plato was concerned, sophistry and rhetoric can be deployed in the service of ignorance and evil. There were those then who believed they didn’t need to know anything, only how to convince the public that they do, that is, know something. You can see their disciples today everywhere in the media and government.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 8 2023 13:45 utc | 32

Has anybody here ever posted any comments on Naked Capitalism? I tried to post twice, and the comment never appeared on the site. I don’t know if I am not using their interface correctly, or being shadowbanned by them. The latter would be strange, because the comment was rather benign – just pointing out that wearing masks constantly, while protecting against infection spread, may carry its own risk due to breathing in microplastics for hours every day, day by day.
Posted by: PlatoIAmNot | Sep 8 2023 8:23 utc | 1
Haven’t read through and don’t know if anyone has answered. I am not a regular poster but have tried to comment a few times with mixed success. when I post something there is generally a little clock or timer that says something like your comment will be posted in 5 minutes (or something like that). if I stay on the site until the clock runs out it sometimes gets posted. If I leave that article/thread it seems to not get posted. I’ve also had a few comments take a long time (seemed like hours) to get posted. Anyway, seems to be hit or miss, and whether your agreeing or disagreeing with the article or commenter you’re responding to. Not sure this is any help…

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 8 2023 14:01 utc | 33

Has anybody here ever posted any comments on Naked Capitalism? I tried to post twice, and the comment never appeared on the site. I don’t know if I am not using their interface correctly, or being shadowbanned by them. The latter would be strange, because the comment was rather benign – just pointing out that wearing masks constantly, while protecting against infection spread, may carry its own risk due to breathing in microplastics for hours every day, day by day.
Posted by: PlatoIAmNot | Sep 8 2023 8:23 utc | 1
Haven’t read through and don’t know if anyone has answered. I am not a regular poster but have tried to comment a few times with mixed success. when I post something there is generally a little clock or timer that says something like your comment will be posted in 5 minutes (or something like that). if I stay on the site until the clock runs out it sometimes gets posted. If I leave that article/thread it seems to not get posted. I’ve also had a few comments take a long time (seemed like hours) to get posted. Anyway, seems to be hit or miss, and whether your agreeing or disagreeing with the article or commenter you’re responding to. Not sure this is any help…

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 8 2023 14:01 utc | 34

More in depth WRT Huawei’s Mate 60 …
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/huaweis-new-mystery-7nm-chip-from-chinese-fab-defies-us-sanctions
Huawei’s New Mystery 7nm Chip from Chinese Fab Defies US Sanctions
By Anton Shilov published 5 days ago
SMIC produces N+2 smartphone SoC from Huawei’s Mate 60 Pro.
Huawei’s Kirin 9000S system-on-chip that powers Huawei’s new Mate 60 Pro smartphone is rumored to be made by China-based SMIC using its 2nd generation 7nm-class fabrication process and stacking, according to TechInsights, a significant semiconductor research firm, as per a report by the South China Morning Post. In addition, the SoC reportedly packs CPU and GPU featuring microarchitectures developed in-house. Meanwhile, all the information about the Kirin 9000S is strictly unofficial.
Huawei’s HiSilicon Kirin 9000S looks to be a quite complex SoC packing four high-performance cores (one at up to 2.62 GHz and two at up to 2,150 MHz) and four energy-efficient cores (up to 1,530 MHz) based on the company’s own TaiShan microarchitecture (which still looks to be found on the Armv8a ISA ) as well as the Maleoon 910 graphics processing unit operating at up to 750 MHz, based on screenshots by Huawei Central. CPU and GPU cores run at relatively low clocks compared to frequencies of Arm’s cores featured in previous generations of HiSilicon’s SoCs.
But low frequencies can be explained by the fact that SMIC makes the new SoC on its unannounced 2nd generation 7nm fabrication process, which could be a breakthrough for SMIC, Huawei, and China’s high-tech industry. Although TechInsights calls this fabrication technology SMIC’s 2nd generation production node, state-controlled Global Times claims that China’s foundry champion uses its 5nm-class manufacturing technology to make the SoC. But these two names seem to describe the same thing, which was once known as SMIC’s N+2.
SMIC briefly mentioned its N+2 manufacturing technology in 2020. At that time, it looked like an evolutionary step of its N+1, which was once called a low-cost alternative to TSMC’s N7 (a 7nm-class fabrication process). In another Global Times publication, Chinese analysts labeled N+2 as SMIC’s 5nm-class production node about a year ago.
SMIC has never confirmed that it produces chips on 7-and 5 nm-class nodes. Yet, there are independent proofs from TechInsights that SMIC produced MinerVa Semiconductor Bitcoin mining ASICs on its 7nm-class N+1 technology.
Meanwhile, SMIC’s Twinscan NXT:2000i deep ultraviolet (DUV) lithography scanners can make chips on 7nm and 5nm technologies, so that the company may have developed a 5nm-class fabrication process. There is an essential detail, though: to print outstanding features on a 5nm-class node or a refined 7nm-class process technology, SMIC has to heavily use multi-patterning, which is an expensive technology that affects yields and costs, so the economic efficiency of SMIC’s 5nm-class technology is likely considerably lower than that of market leaders Intel, TSMC, and Samsung Foundry.
An interesting detail about the Kirin 9000S is that it reportedly uses stacking technology, though Global Times does not elaborate on how it uses stacking. Perhaps the Kirin 9000S stacks the modem IC on top of the CPU+GPU IC to save space on the motherboard, or maybe disaggregates some logic to simplify production. But in any case, advanced packaging technology is also a breakthrough for SMIC and/or Huawei’s HiSilicon.

US sanctions are costing the US/NATO/AUKUS not only the Chinese market, but the world market…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:01 utc | 35

More in depth WRT Huawei’s Mate 60 …
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/huaweis-new-mystery-7nm-chip-from-chinese-fab-defies-us-sanctions
Huawei’s New Mystery 7nm Chip from Chinese Fab Defies US Sanctions
By Anton Shilov published 5 days ago
SMIC produces N+2 smartphone SoC from Huawei’s Mate 60 Pro.
Huawei’s Kirin 9000S system-on-chip that powers Huawei’s new Mate 60 Pro smartphone is rumored to be made by China-based SMIC using its 2nd generation 7nm-class fabrication process and stacking, according to TechInsights, a significant semiconductor research firm, as per a report by the South China Morning Post. In addition, the SoC reportedly packs CPU and GPU featuring microarchitectures developed in-house. Meanwhile, all the information about the Kirin 9000S is strictly unofficial.
Huawei’s HiSilicon Kirin 9000S looks to be a quite complex SoC packing four high-performance cores (one at up to 2.62 GHz and two at up to 2,150 MHz) and four energy-efficient cores (up to 1,530 MHz) based on the company’s own TaiShan microarchitecture (which still looks to be found on the Armv8a ISA ) as well as the Maleoon 910 graphics processing unit operating at up to 750 MHz, based on screenshots by Huawei Central. CPU and GPU cores run at relatively low clocks compared to frequencies of Arm’s cores featured in previous generations of HiSilicon’s SoCs.
But low frequencies can be explained by the fact that SMIC makes the new SoC on its unannounced 2nd generation 7nm fabrication process, which could be a breakthrough for SMIC, Huawei, and China’s high-tech industry. Although TechInsights calls this fabrication technology SMIC’s 2nd generation production node, state-controlled Global Times claims that China’s foundry champion uses its 5nm-class manufacturing technology to make the SoC. But these two names seem to describe the same thing, which was once known as SMIC’s N+2.
SMIC briefly mentioned its N+2 manufacturing technology in 2020. At that time, it looked like an evolutionary step of its N+1, which was once called a low-cost alternative to TSMC’s N7 (a 7nm-class fabrication process). In another Global Times publication, Chinese analysts labeled N+2 as SMIC’s 5nm-class production node about a year ago.
SMIC has never confirmed that it produces chips on 7-and 5 nm-class nodes. Yet, there are independent proofs from TechInsights that SMIC produced MinerVa Semiconductor Bitcoin mining ASICs on its 7nm-class N+1 technology.
Meanwhile, SMIC’s Twinscan NXT:2000i deep ultraviolet (DUV) lithography scanners can make chips on 7nm and 5nm technologies, so that the company may have developed a 5nm-class fabrication process. There is an essential detail, though: to print outstanding features on a 5nm-class node or a refined 7nm-class process technology, SMIC has to heavily use multi-patterning, which is an expensive technology that affects yields and costs, so the economic efficiency of SMIC’s 5nm-class technology is likely considerably lower than that of market leaders Intel, TSMC, and Samsung Foundry.
An interesting detail about the Kirin 9000S is that it reportedly uses stacking technology, though Global Times does not elaborate on how it uses stacking. Perhaps the Kirin 9000S stacks the modem IC on top of the CPU+GPU IC to save space on the motherboard, or maybe disaggregates some logic to simplify production. But in any case, advanced packaging technology is also a breakthrough for SMIC and/or Huawei’s HiSilicon.

US sanctions are costing the US/NATO/AUKUS not only the Chinese market, but the world market…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:01 utc | 36

If on this page I say something about the flood in Greece being totally outside anything that has ever happened in a 2500 year period of record and maybe we should pay attention — just watch the idiotic tropes that follow.
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 8 2023 10:18 utc | 16
Pay attention to what? Not a trope, just a question since you left such a vague, open-ended suggestion.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 8 2023 14:11 utc | 37

If on this page I say something about the flood in Greece being totally outside anything that has ever happened in a 2500 year period of record and maybe we should pay attention — just watch the idiotic tropes that follow.
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 8 2023 10:18 utc | 16
Pay attention to what? Not a trope, just a question since you left such a vague, open-ended suggestion.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 8 2023 14:11 utc | 38

This got lost yesterday. It might still be of interest to someone.
There is no chance that Prighozin was killed by the Russians for whom he played an extremely valuable, amost irreplaceable role.
Two things to bear in mind:
1/The Empire specialises in Assassination. It is what it does. Consider Operations Phoenix and Condor, industrial scale operations aimed at killing as many critics or potential critics as possible. Look at the whole Death Squad phenomenon to be found wherever the Empire is protecting its interests from the people it is robbing.
Look at Indonesia- the Jakarta option- which was borrowed from CIA inspired killings in Brazil. The examples constitute an almost endless list.
Look at MOSSAD a CIA/MI6 creation that has killed thousands of individuals over the years. There was a recent article in The Economist- Inside Ukraine’s Assassination Programme- which celebrates the killings carried out against political figures in Russia and the Peoples Republics by agents of the Ukraine.
2/ As RT reports today the US is going to start assassinating Niger’s new leaders.
What is taking place in former French Africa right now is an existential challenge not only to the French Empire but to the US which regards Africa as within its Sphere of Influence.
Pepe Escobar has an article at Consortium News about French Africa in which he details some of its importance to France and Europe both of whose living standards would be threatened by an ending of the current neo-colonial system.
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/09/07/pepe-escobar-no-respite-for-france-as-new-africa-rises/
What is happening in France’s old empire is important but more important is the effect its example is having across Africa in the former British and other empires- for every Bongo there are Kenyan, Nigerian and Congolese equivalents corruptly presiding over kleptocracies in which the biggest thieves are listed on Wall St or London Stock Exchanges.
If these people start getting ‘couped’ and Wagner flies in to protect the new regimes, the Empire will be in very serious trouble.
I may have mistaken or misremembered the figure but I read that the Niger government has just raised the price of the uranium it ships to France from 8 cents a kilo to $200.
In any case the Empire is robbing Africa blind and it relies on its compradors there to do its dirty work.
What Hersh’s story tells us- I’m guessing, I haven’t read it- is that he owes his friends in the CIA a favour for the embarassment Nordstream caused them, and this is him settling the debt.
Of course it only works on idiots and simpletons.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 8 2023 14:14 utc | 39

This got lost yesterday. It might still be of interest to someone.
There is no chance that Prighozin was killed by the Russians for whom he played an extremely valuable, amost irreplaceable role.
Two things to bear in mind:
1/The Empire specialises in Assassination. It is what it does. Consider Operations Phoenix and Condor, industrial scale operations aimed at killing as many critics or potential critics as possible. Look at the whole Death Squad phenomenon to be found wherever the Empire is protecting its interests from the people it is robbing.
Look at Indonesia- the Jakarta option- which was borrowed from CIA inspired killings in Brazil. The examples constitute an almost endless list.
Look at MOSSAD a CIA/MI6 creation that has killed thousands of individuals over the years. There was a recent article in The Economist- Inside Ukraine’s Assassination Programme- which celebrates the killings carried out against political figures in Russia and the Peoples Republics by agents of the Ukraine.
2/ As RT reports today the US is going to start assassinating Niger’s new leaders.
What is taking place in former French Africa right now is an existential challenge not only to the French Empire but to the US which regards Africa as within its Sphere of Influence.
Pepe Escobar has an article at Consortium News about French Africa in which he details some of its importance to France and Europe both of whose living standards would be threatened by an ending of the current neo-colonial system.
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/09/07/pepe-escobar-no-respite-for-france-as-new-africa-rises/
What is happening in France’s old empire is important but more important is the effect its example is having across Africa in the former British and other empires- for every Bongo there are Kenyan, Nigerian and Congolese equivalents corruptly presiding over kleptocracies in which the biggest thieves are listed on Wall St or London Stock Exchanges.
If these people start getting ‘couped’ and Wagner flies in to protect the new regimes, the Empire will be in very serious trouble.
I may have mistaken or misremembered the figure but I read that the Niger government has just raised the price of the uranium it ships to France from 8 cents a kilo to $200.
In any case the Empire is robbing Africa blind and it relies on its compradors there to do its dirty work.
What Hersh’s story tells us- I’m guessing, I haven’t read it- is that he owes his friends in the CIA a favour for the embarassment Nordstream caused them, and this is him settling the debt.
Of course it only works on idiots and simpletons.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 8 2023 14:14 utc | 40

Pepe Escobar’s assessment of Huawei’s achievement in producing it’s Mate 60 phone….
THE DEFINITIVE HUAWEI MATE 60 PRO VERDICT
And it comes from Bill Chen from the National University of Singapore. Making a killing on the Chinese net.
“This phone is not subject to sanctions.
It has nothing to do with Google.
It has nothing to do with TSMC.
It has nothing to do with any western semiconductor tool manufacturer.
It has nothing to do with any Taiwan/South Korea/Japan/U.S. parts or material suppliers.
It has nothing to do with U.S. patents.
No other mobile phone manufacturer can boast such an achievement.
It has nothing to do with the United States at all, and it is completely outside the scope of sanctions. This is a historic first.”
And the icing on the cake…
“The comprehensive sanctions on Huawei have cut off its dependence on foreign suppliers who are vulnerable to U.S. sanctions, and forced Huawei to establish a supply chain that can only be carried out domestically, which allows it to withstand sanctions without losing his livelihood.
The existence of this completely independent supply chain (including non-Swift financing) is a nightmare for Gina Raimondo and her Department of Commerce.”

This phone means NATO lost the war for control of technology…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:20 utc | 41

Pepe Escobar’s assessment of Huawei’s achievement in producing it’s Mate 60 phone….
THE DEFINITIVE HUAWEI MATE 60 PRO VERDICT
And it comes from Bill Chen from the National University of Singapore. Making a killing on the Chinese net.
“This phone is not subject to sanctions.
It has nothing to do with Google.
It has nothing to do with TSMC.
It has nothing to do with any western semiconductor tool manufacturer.
It has nothing to do with any Taiwan/South Korea/Japan/U.S. parts or material suppliers.
It has nothing to do with U.S. patents.
No other mobile phone manufacturer can boast such an achievement.
It has nothing to do with the United States at all, and it is completely outside the scope of sanctions. This is a historic first.”
And the icing on the cake…
“The comprehensive sanctions on Huawei have cut off its dependence on foreign suppliers who are vulnerable to U.S. sanctions, and forced Huawei to establish a supply chain that can only be carried out domestically, which allows it to withstand sanctions without losing his livelihood.
The existence of this completely independent supply chain (including non-Swift financing) is a nightmare for Gina Raimondo and her Department of Commerce.”

This phone means NATO lost the war for control of technology…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:20 utc | 42

Persiflo #24
It is evident that you spent two decades (long time ago) collecting a garbage dump or, if one wants to be especially indulgent, a “klamottenkiste” of well known fallacies which are today expandable only on a fringe forum.
Trying to mix basic theory of quantum measure, which is generally not “mysterious” at all, with a parody of Berkeley-style scepticism (and the poor Gödel), only to end with parapsychology, is something a third-rate journalist could have tried a century ago…
Today you sound completely outdated even for a snake-oil salesman.
If you want to keep trying being “fringe”, with some appearance of seriousness, I suggest reading Garret Birkhoff (not to be confused with his father David) and von Neumann who were, at some point, as ambitiously “alternative” as a scientist could.
But even that is very old and perhaps unappealing to most people…

Posted by: MoaMetal | Sep 8 2023 14:20 utc | 43

Persiflo #24
It is evident that you spent two decades (long time ago) collecting a garbage dump or, if one wants to be especially indulgent, a “klamottenkiste” of well known fallacies which are today expandable only on a fringe forum.
Trying to mix basic theory of quantum measure, which is generally not “mysterious” at all, with a parody of Berkeley-style scepticism (and the poor Gödel), only to end with parapsychology, is something a third-rate journalist could have tried a century ago…
Today you sound completely outdated even for a snake-oil salesman.
If you want to keep trying being “fringe”, with some appearance of seriousness, I suggest reading Garret Birkhoff (not to be confused with his father David) and von Neumann who were, at some point, as ambitiously “alternative” as a scientist could.
But even that is very old and perhaps unappealing to most people…

Posted by: MoaMetal | Sep 8 2023 14:20 utc | 44

Posted by: PlatoIAmNot | Sep 8 2023 12:40 utc | 21
External ones, yes (probably). But all these masks are made of disgusting plastic themselves, and constantly shedding microplastics right into your face. The exposure due to this proximity, times the daily use for the months/years of the pandemic by 1e8 people in the US alone – is anybody looking into the potential population-wide health effects this might cause?
===============================================
There were a couple of studies published a couple of years ago. One I read claimed that the blue surgical masks shed graphene (link from quick search today) which is quite harmful. Apparently that is one of the questionable substances in the shots as well, according to some reports. When forced to wear one or barred entry, I now use a silk mask. Very light, breathes easy, washes well, looks ok; absolutely useless against viruses but that’s not the point of them, is it?
If you really want a mask, get those P100 types, or the ones they sell in hardware stores with twin, replaceable filters. I had to strip down a ferrocement hull plaster coat on a 38’ Herreshoff Nereia using diamond-tipped blades (also great for chemical free big job paint or varnish stripping) and those masks worked like magic; no strain breathing for hours, no particles getting through despite steady, toxic clouds of cement dust. Highly recommended. (Overkill look in supermarkets.)
Of course our medical authorities are not serious about using masks to prevent spread at all. And that goes for the Chinese govt which so many worship here. Hundreds of millions walking around with entirely useless blue surgical masks shedding toxins into the lungs. And of course preventing the spread is possibly the wrong thing to do anyway, but that’s another question.

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 14:21 utc | 45

Posted by: PlatoIAmNot | Sep 8 2023 12:40 utc | 21
External ones, yes (probably). But all these masks are made of disgusting plastic themselves, and constantly shedding microplastics right into your face. The exposure due to this proximity, times the daily use for the months/years of the pandemic by 1e8 people in the US alone – is anybody looking into the potential population-wide health effects this might cause?
===============================================
There were a couple of studies published a couple of years ago. One I read claimed that the blue surgical masks shed graphene (link from quick search today) which is quite harmful. Apparently that is one of the questionable substances in the shots as well, according to some reports. When forced to wear one or barred entry, I now use a silk mask. Very light, breathes easy, washes well, looks ok; absolutely useless against viruses but that’s not the point of them, is it?
If you really want a mask, get those P100 types, or the ones they sell in hardware stores with twin, replaceable filters. I had to strip down a ferrocement hull plaster coat on a 38’ Herreshoff Nereia using diamond-tipped blades (also great for chemical free big job paint or varnish stripping) and those masks worked like magic; no strain breathing for hours, no particles getting through despite steady, toxic clouds of cement dust. Highly recommended. (Overkill look in supermarkets.)
Of course our medical authorities are not serious about using masks to prevent spread at all. And that goes for the Chinese govt which so many worship here. Hundreds of millions walking around with entirely useless blue surgical masks shedding toxins into the lungs. And of course preventing the spread is possibly the wrong thing to do anyway, but that’s another question.

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 14:21 utc | 46

From Iran Observer twitter feed…
Report: Iran will buy a number of Su-30s, it is planned to train Iranian pilots first on the Yak-130 and then on the Su-30 to get the pilots completely ready for the su-35s.
Yak-130s arrived in Iran recently….
Looks like the program is on track….
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:28 utc | 47

From Iran Observer twitter feed…
Report: Iran will buy a number of Su-30s, it is planned to train Iranian pilots first on the Yak-130 and then on the Su-30 to get the pilots completely ready for the su-35s.
Yak-130s arrived in Iran recently….
Looks like the program is on track….
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:28 utc | 48

Apple shares fall after China bans iPhone use by government employees. Apple loses $200 billion of market value.
Conclusion:
– now Huawei has released a phone that does not have US components, China has an iPhone alternative
– putting in backdoors for US three-letter agencies now has a cost: $200 billion

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 8 2023 14:30 utc | 49

Apple shares fall after China bans iPhone use by government employees. Apple loses $200 billion of market value.
Conclusion:
– now Huawei has released a phone that does not have US components, China has an iPhone alternative
– putting in backdoors for US three-letter agencies now has a cost: $200 billion

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 8 2023 14:30 utc | 50

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:20 utc | 21
I have a hard time with tech stuff. When you say the new Huawei has ‘nothing to do with Google’ does that mean it doesn’t run on Android?
Just to see if I could work outside the Google-Android surveillance realm I bought a Manjaro-Linux Pinephone Pro two years ago but it kept crashing Firefox. I suspect they will have it working much better by now, but once bitten twice shy on my part.
And is the new Huawei filled with Chinese surveillance instead of US-Google and aren’t all such things linked anyway, like the biolab research?
Again, I don’t really understand what all the fuss is about cell phone models.

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 14:36 utc | 51

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:20 utc | 21
I have a hard time with tech stuff. When you say the new Huawei has ‘nothing to do with Google’ does that mean it doesn’t run on Android?
Just to see if I could work outside the Google-Android surveillance realm I bought a Manjaro-Linux Pinephone Pro two years ago but it kept crashing Firefox. I suspect they will have it working much better by now, but once bitten twice shy on my part.
And is the new Huawei filled with Chinese surveillance instead of US-Google and aren’t all such things linked anyway, like the biolab research?
Again, I don’t really understand what all the fuss is about cell phone models.

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 14:36 utc | 52

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 14:36 utc | 26
In house Harmony OS…

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Sep 8 2023 14:44 utc | 53

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 14:36 utc | 26
In house Harmony OS…

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Sep 8 2023 14:44 utc | 54

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 8 2023 13:24 utc | 13
Another supercool persiflo post.
I find a good model, roughly speaking is:
We all participate in a both individual and collective dream realm, interdependent parts in the same overall whole whose universal attribute is Buddha-nature (some sort of wakefulness, akin to that of a Dreamer).
In materialist analog, the Mind principle is space which accommodates manifest matter. The space has no attributes that can be measured but all that can be measured arises in that space. We have a hard time imagining Mind without individuated Mind-er, but of course we can easily observe that we are part of a larger whole even on the physical level, so of course on the mental, or space, level, that is even easier to grok. Our universe comprises One and Many, each particular a part of, not apart from, the Whole. Each particular location is bordered by everywhere all around, i.e. everywhere else, i.e. the Whole. So particularity is both the opposite of and also reflects back and depends upon universality. (I believe this local-universal existential predicament is why the brain has two hemispheres, even in very primitive organisms.)
Something like that.

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 14:46 utc | 55

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 8 2023 13:24 utc | 13
Another supercool persiflo post.
I find a good model, roughly speaking is:
We all participate in a both individual and collective dream realm, interdependent parts in the same overall whole whose universal attribute is Buddha-nature (some sort of wakefulness, akin to that of a Dreamer).
In materialist analog, the Mind principle is space which accommodates manifest matter. The space has no attributes that can be measured but all that can be measured arises in that space. We have a hard time imagining Mind without individuated Mind-er, but of course we can easily observe that we are part of a larger whole even on the physical level, so of course on the mental, or space, level, that is even easier to grok. Our universe comprises One and Many, each particular a part of, not apart from, the Whole. Each particular location is bordered by everywhere all around, i.e. everywhere else, i.e. the Whole. So particularity is both the opposite of and also reflects back and depends upon universality. (I believe this local-universal existential predicament is why the brain has two hemispheres, even in very primitive organisms.)
Something like that.

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 14:46 utc | 56

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:20 utc | 21
I have a hard time with tech stuff. When you say the new Huawei has ‘nothing to do with Google’ does that mean it doesn’t run on Android?
Just to see if I could work outside the Google-Android surveillance realm I bought a Manjaro-Linux Pinephone Pro two years ago but it kept crashing Firefox. I suspect they will have it working much better by now, but once bitten twice shy on my part.
And is the new Huawei filled with Chinese surveillance instead of US-Google and aren’t all such things linked anyway, like the biolab research?
Again, I don’t really understand what all the fuss is about cell phone models.
Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 14:36 utc | 26

My dear anonymous poster…
Huawei created it’s own Operating System…. named “Harmony” independently from Android.
Android BTW is a Linux variant.
The fuss you mention has to do with US/NATO sanctions being circumvented by the Chinese, with proof positive being creation and release of the Huawei Mate Pro 60.
As for whether the phone contains back doors which permit Chinese surveillance, I don’t know..
What we do know is all Huawei products do not have back doors permitting NATO/5EEYES surveillance,
AND…
The Chinese government just banned it’s employees nationwide from purchasing and / or using Apple I phones.
AND…
I saw a video of a Chinese mall where the Huawei store was mobbed with customers clamoring for phones, while the adjacent Apple store was empty.
SO….
It is a big deal, whether you can appreciate it or not…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:51 utc | 57

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:20 utc | 21
I have a hard time with tech stuff. When you say the new Huawei has ‘nothing to do with Google’ does that mean it doesn’t run on Android?
Just to see if I could work outside the Google-Android surveillance realm I bought a Manjaro-Linux Pinephone Pro two years ago but it kept crashing Firefox. I suspect they will have it working much better by now, but once bitten twice shy on my part.
And is the new Huawei filled with Chinese surveillance instead of US-Google and aren’t all such things linked anyway, like the biolab research?
Again, I don’t really understand what all the fuss is about cell phone models.
Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 14:36 utc | 26

My dear anonymous poster…
Huawei created it’s own Operating System…. named “Harmony” independently from Android.
Android BTW is a Linux variant.
The fuss you mention has to do with US/NATO sanctions being circumvented by the Chinese, with proof positive being creation and release of the Huawei Mate Pro 60.
As for whether the phone contains back doors which permit Chinese surveillance, I don’t know..
What we do know is all Huawei products do not have back doors permitting NATO/5EEYES surveillance,
AND…
The Chinese government just banned it’s employees nationwide from purchasing and / or using Apple I phones.
AND…
I saw a video of a Chinese mall where the Huawei store was mobbed with customers clamoring for phones, while the adjacent Apple store was empty.
SO….
It is a big deal, whether you can appreciate it or not…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:51 utc | 58

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 14:36 utc | 26
Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Sep 8 2023 14:44 utc | 27

China’s software stack is quite transparent. They are pursuing “open source” licensed code (and hardware) specifically to address the risk of IP sanctions.
Not mentioned in the Western press the move away from Microsoft. Just as seismic, if not more so, than the recent iPhone ban.
https://www.chinesestandard.net/PDF/English.aspx/GBT25655-2010
https://www.openeuler.org/en/
https://www.chinaredflag.cn/news/details?id=190

Posted by: too scents | Sep 8 2023 14:52 utc | 59

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 14:36 utc | 26
Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Sep 8 2023 14:44 utc | 27

China’s software stack is quite transparent. They are pursuing “open source” licensed code (and hardware) specifically to address the risk of IP sanctions.
Not mentioned in the Western press the move away from Microsoft. Just as seismic, if not more so, than the recent iPhone ban.
https://www.chinesestandard.net/PDF/English.aspx/GBT25655-2010
https://www.openeuler.org/en/
https://www.chinaredflag.cn/news/details?id=190

Posted by: too scents | Sep 8 2023 14:52 utc | 60

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 8 2023 14:11 utc | 19
i think he means pay attention to the very atypical weather we are having due to climate change.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 8 2023 15:07 utc | 61

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 8 2023 14:11 utc | 19
i think he means pay attention to the very atypical weather we are having due to climate change.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 8 2023 15:07 utc | 62

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Sep 8 2023 14:44 utc | 27
Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 14:36 utc | 26
In house Harmony OS…
=================================
Well, I don’t understand the significance of the different OS.
This is where am coming from: about 10 years ago when I lived in rural Canada, my computer programmer neighbour showed me how to back trace. Every time I did it, the same result: from my local ISP to a town in Ontario I think (began with letter ‘S’, Canadian Intelligence) then to ‘Langley Virginia’ (CIA), then to ‘Los Angeles’, then finally to ‘CHINA TELECOM’, always the final destination. Every website I visited, every time I back traced.
I presume that even with a different non-google, non-MSFT OS the same sort of monitoring will be ongoing, no? Or, is what is different about this OS is that it can do surveillance without going through any Western networks? Or what? What’s the difference?
More importantly: why is everything going all the way from rural Canada to China Telecom? I assume because on the techno-level nation states are irrelevant and they are all sharing everything. (Or what?) Perhaps the main reason for the Reset – to get governance and financial systems aligned with current reality and ditching systems no longer fit for purpose in our Brave New World.

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 15:18 utc | 63

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Sep 8 2023 14:44 utc | 27
Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 14:36 utc | 26
In house Harmony OS…
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Well, I don’t understand the significance of the different OS.
This is where am coming from: about 10 years ago when I lived in rural Canada, my computer programmer neighbour showed me how to back trace. Every time I did it, the same result: from my local ISP to a town in Ontario I think (began with letter ‘S’, Canadian Intelligence) then to ‘Langley Virginia’ (CIA), then to ‘Los Angeles’, then finally to ‘CHINA TELECOM’, always the final destination. Every website I visited, every time I back traced.
I presume that even with a different non-google, non-MSFT OS the same sort of monitoring will be ongoing, no? Or, is what is different about this OS is that it can do surveillance without going through any Western networks? Or what? What’s the difference?
More importantly: why is everything going all the way from rural Canada to China Telecom? I assume because on the techno-level nation states are irrelevant and they are all sharing everything. (Or what?) Perhaps the main reason for the Reset – to get governance and financial systems aligned with current reality and ditching systems no longer fit for purpose in our Brave New World.

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 15:18 utc | 64

Posted by: too scents | Sep 8 2023 14:52 utc | 30
Thank you, interesting…

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 15:19 utc | 65

Posted by: too scents | Sep 8 2023 14:52 utc | 30
Thank you, interesting…

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 15:19 utc | 66

@Scorpion #28
Did you check your scorpion brain for “hemispheres”?
From what we can read, it does seem primitive enough…

Posted by: MoaMetal | Sep 8 2023 15:21 utc | 67

@Scorpion #28
Did you check your scorpion brain for “hemispheres”?
From what we can read, it does seem primitive enough…

Posted by: MoaMetal | Sep 8 2023 15:21 utc | 68

@ scorpion | Sep 8 2023 15:18 utc | 32

For the layman’s peace of mind nothing below the session layer matters much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
The session layer is instantiated inside your device and is where the security belongs.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 8 2023 15:27 utc | 69

@ scorpion | Sep 8 2023 15:18 utc | 32

For the layman’s peace of mind nothing below the session layer matters much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
The session layer is instantiated inside your device and is where the security belongs.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 8 2023 15:27 utc | 70

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:51 utc | 29
(Re Anonymous user: well, I sometimes link to articles with my name but don’t put it on a comment board as a general rule; though often consider doing so: anonymity seems to encourage uncivility, maybe also cowardice.)
Thanks for your explanation. So they have their own phone system which is not entangled with Western tech and surveillance and can no longer be subject to Western sanctions on the manufacturing level either. That makes sense. I got it. Thank you!
I had a Huawei phone until two months ago when it fell out of my pocket onto the floor of my old Jeep and I didn’t notice until getting back home by which time one of the mechanic’s assistants had scarfed it! Now I have a Xaomi Redmi which is cheaper and not nearly as good, works fine.
Don’t have all that much to hide, but don’t like the way Google and MSFT surveil everything all the time and think in an ideal world we could internet without them. At this point on desktop I only use them for Youtube and Google Maps, but the cell phone is Android so Google-everything.

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 15:35 utc | 71

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:51 utc | 29
(Re Anonymous user: well, I sometimes link to articles with my name but don’t put it on a comment board as a general rule; though often consider doing so: anonymity seems to encourage uncivility, maybe also cowardice.)
Thanks for your explanation. So they have their own phone system which is not entangled with Western tech and surveillance and can no longer be subject to Western sanctions on the manufacturing level either. That makes sense. I got it. Thank you!
I had a Huawei phone until two months ago when it fell out of my pocket onto the floor of my old Jeep and I didn’t notice until getting back home by which time one of the mechanic’s assistants had scarfed it! Now I have a Xaomi Redmi which is cheaper and not nearly as good, works fine.
Don’t have all that much to hide, but don’t like the way Google and MSFT surveil everything all the time and think in an ideal world we could internet without them. At this point on desktop I only use them for Youtube and Google Maps, but the cell phone is Android so Google-everything.

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 15:35 utc | 72

Phil R @ 19
Well it seems my original post has vanished. Which is fine, b is entitled to that.
Blogs have character. Naked Capitalism is not a place where covid or anything related to it cannot be discussed. MoA is a place where climate is not discussed. And Phil R proves my point. Looks at something entirely unexampled and asserts nothing to see here. Whatever.Back to Ukraine.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 8 2023 16:00 utc | 75

Phil R @ 19
Well it seems my original post has vanished. Which is fine, b is entitled to that.
Blogs have character. Naked Capitalism is not a place where covid or anything related to it cannot be discussed. MoA is a place where climate is not discussed. And Phil R proves my point. Looks at something entirely unexampled and asserts nothing to see here. Whatever.Back to Ukraine.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 8 2023 16:00 utc | 76

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:51 utc | 29
If Huawei and SMIC are able to manufacture a non-trivial mobile phone without using US components, without ITAR Destination Control Statement, then the manufacturing process by itself is a valuable service that will raise interest.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 8 2023 16:12 utc | 77

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 8 2023 14:51 utc | 29
If Huawei and SMIC are able to manufacture a non-trivial mobile phone without using US components, without ITAR Destination Control Statement, then the manufacturing process by itself is a valuable service that will raise interest.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 8 2023 16:12 utc | 78

@too scents | Sep 8 2023 14:52 utc | 30

Not mentioned in the Western press the move away from Microsoft. Just as seismic, if not more so, than the recent iPhone ban.

Open source software exists with licences allowing everyone to see the code and, modify it if they wish as long as they return the modificaton to the community. The most popular site for hosting open source code is https://github.com/ based on the git source control system (git is itself open source). Github was taken over by Microsoft a couple of years ago, promising it to remain true to open source principles (yes, you would be naive to believe that).
The other day I received a message from github saying that they now demand every user to use 2FA (Two factor authentication), or else they will limit my access to the open source code that I created. It means they require me and everyone else to have a smart phone and that they (Microsoft) shall have access to it, or else they will not allow me to contribute to free, open source projects on github. I don’t need that “security” and handing my phone to Microsoft is the opposite of improving my security, which wasn’t threatened until now.
The solution now is to move away from Microsoft, i.e. move out from github. Short term solution is move to https://gitlab.com/ but I would not be surprised if the same thing to happen again. We shall see.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 16:13 utc | 79

@too scents | Sep 8 2023 14:52 utc | 30

Not mentioned in the Western press the move away from Microsoft. Just as seismic, if not more so, than the recent iPhone ban.

Open source software exists with licences allowing everyone to see the code and, modify it if they wish as long as they return the modificaton to the community. The most popular site for hosting open source code is https://github.com/ based on the git source control system (git is itself open source). Github was taken over by Microsoft a couple of years ago, promising it to remain true to open source principles (yes, you would be naive to believe that).
The other day I received a message from github saying that they now demand every user to use 2FA (Two factor authentication), or else they will limit my access to the open source code that I created. It means they require me and everyone else to have a smart phone and that they (Microsoft) shall have access to it, or else they will not allow me to contribute to free, open source projects on github. I don’t need that “security” and handing my phone to Microsoft is the opposite of improving my security, which wasn’t threatened until now.
The solution now is to move away from Microsoft, i.e. move out from github. Short term solution is move to https://gitlab.com/ but I would not be surprised if the same thing to happen again. We shall see.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 16:13 utc | 80

@Passerby | Sep 8 2023 16:12 utc | 39

If Huawei and SMIC are able to manufacture a non-trivial mobile phone without using US components, without ITAR Destination Control Statement, then the manufacturing process by itself is a valuable service that will raise interest.

It will also raise US hubris to infinity.
Today there is a ZH article “Things Are Moving Faster Than Most People Realize” which says:

Several news agencies confirmed an earlier report from the Wall Street Journal that Beijing looks to expand its ban of the use of iPhones in sensitive departments of government to include government-backed or controlled agencies and state companies.

This is understandable and a solution to the sanctions war. At least you would think so. But read on:

US lawmakers have now said that China’s top chipmaker, SMIC may have violated sanctions by supplying components to Huawei.

Yes you got that right. A chinese company is violating US sanctions by trading with another chinese company.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 16:20 utc | 81

@Passerby | Sep 8 2023 16:12 utc | 39

If Huawei and SMIC are able to manufacture a non-trivial mobile phone without using US components, without ITAR Destination Control Statement, then the manufacturing process by itself is a valuable service that will raise interest.

It will also raise US hubris to infinity.
Today there is a ZH article “Things Are Moving Faster Than Most People Realize” which says:

Several news agencies confirmed an earlier report from the Wall Street Journal that Beijing looks to expand its ban of the use of iPhones in sensitive departments of government to include government-backed or controlled agencies and state companies.

This is understandable and a solution to the sanctions war. At least you would think so. But read on:

US lawmakers have now said that China’s top chipmaker, SMIC may have violated sanctions by supplying components to Huawei.

Yes you got that right. A chinese company is violating US sanctions by trading with another chinese company.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 16:20 utc | 82

@ Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 16:13 utc | 40

I deleted my github account the day they sold out to Microsoft. A shame really as it makes it more difficult to collaborate with people that still use it.
I suppose github will eventually run out of money, or their valuation will align with their revenue, and then things may return to normal.
In the meantime it is trivial to self host git and there are a multitude of github alternatives.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 8 2023 16:24 utc | 83

@ Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 16:13 utc | 40

I deleted my github account the day they sold out to Microsoft. A shame really as it makes it more difficult to collaborate with people that still use it.
I suppose github will eventually run out of money, or their valuation will align with their revenue, and then things may return to normal.
In the meantime it is trivial to self host git and there are a multitude of github alternatives.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 8 2023 16:24 utc | 84

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 16:13 utc | 40
That’s terrible. These guys just never, ever stop, do they? Somewhere, somehow, there should be a law against it. But since they write most of the laws these days….
My concern is not so much personal, it’s more in principle: they insist on being involved in any and every online interface and transaction. That should not be permitted, there should be ways to prevent them, but there aren’t, at least in our world.
Sounds like Harmony OS is insulated from ‘our’ MSFT-Google, but probably has its own universe of surveillance. I look forward to trying it out in a few years if/when I lose the current cell phone.

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 16:26 utc | 85

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 16:13 utc | 40
That’s terrible. These guys just never, ever stop, do they? Somewhere, somehow, there should be a law against it. But since they write most of the laws these days….
My concern is not so much personal, it’s more in principle: they insist on being involved in any and every online interface and transaction. That should not be permitted, there should be ways to prevent them, but there aren’t, at least in our world.
Sounds like Harmony OS is insulated from ‘our’ MSFT-Google, but probably has its own universe of surveillance. I look forward to trying it out in a few years if/when I lose the current cell phone.

Posted by: scorpion | Sep 8 2023 16:26 utc | 86

Blogs have character. Naked Capitalism is not a place where covid or anything related to it cannot be discussed. MoA is a place where climate is not discussed. And Phil R proves my point. Looks at something entirely unexampled and asserts nothing to see here. Whatever.Back to Ukraine.
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 8 2023 16:00 utc | 38
Can’t prove a point that doesn’t exist. And see you weren’t able to answer my question, just preemptively denigrate and smear any subsequent commenter who might disagree with you. But as you say, whatever…

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 8 2023 16:33 utc | 87

Blogs have character. Naked Capitalism is not a place where covid or anything related to it cannot be discussed. MoA is a place where climate is not discussed. And Phil R proves my point. Looks at something entirely unexampled and asserts nothing to see here. Whatever.Back to Ukraine.
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 8 2023 16:00 utc | 38
Can’t prove a point that doesn’t exist. And see you weren’t able to answer my question, just preemptively denigrate and smear any subsequent commenter who might disagree with you. But as you say, whatever…

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 8 2023 16:33 utc | 88

@too scents | Sep 8 2023 16:24 utc | 42
Good move. I will let my github account remain, with comments in the repositories with links to where I have moved.

In the meantime it is trivial to self host git and there are a multitude of github alternatives.

True, so I am moving. But it makes it harder to collaborate.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 16:34 utc | 89

@too scents | Sep 8 2023 16:24 utc | 42
Good move. I will let my github account remain, with comments in the repositories with links to where I have moved.

In the meantime it is trivial to self host git and there are a multitude of github alternatives.

True, so I am moving. But it makes it harder to collaborate.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 16:34 utc | 90

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 8 2023 13:37 utc | 15
The source you site is Jerusalem Post picking up an AFP report. I don’t see on AFP that the Niger authorities have given the US ambassador 48 hours to leave.
One would expect the US media to have such news.
The Niger media I can check have nothing, although they are usually slow.
This appears to be some kind of a propaganda operation. The same “news” was circulated in Western media on 25 August. The Niger authorities denied it.
The main news re Niger currently is the US moving its troops within Niger.

Posted by: JB | Sep 8 2023 16:38 utc | 91

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 8 2023 13:37 utc | 15
The source you site is Jerusalem Post picking up an AFP report. I don’t see on AFP that the Niger authorities have given the US ambassador 48 hours to leave.
One would expect the US media to have such news.
The Niger media I can check have nothing, although they are usually slow.
This appears to be some kind of a propaganda operation. The same “news” was circulated in Western media on 25 August. The Niger authorities denied it.
The main news re Niger currently is the US moving its troops within Niger.

Posted by: JB | Sep 8 2023 16:38 utc | 92

@scorpion | Sep 8 2023 16:26 utc | 43

That’s terrible. These guys just never, ever stop, do they?

The answer is plain and simple: No, these people never stop. They have no reverse gear. And it isn’t a matter of speech to say that, it has to be taken literally because it is the truth.

Sounds like Harmony OS is insulated from ‘our’ MSFT-Google, but probably has its own universe of surveillance. I look forward to trying it out in a few years if/when I lose the current cell phone.

We installed fiber at home 3 years ago, turns out all my network equipment is now chinese (TP-Link mesh etc.), and it doesn’t worry me one bit, quite the opposite. I have an old Iphone via my employer, much more problematic.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 16:42 utc | 93

@scorpion | Sep 8 2023 16:26 utc | 43

That’s terrible. These guys just never, ever stop, do they?

The answer is plain and simple: No, these people never stop. They have no reverse gear. And it isn’t a matter of speech to say that, it has to be taken literally because it is the truth.

Sounds like Harmony OS is insulated from ‘our’ MSFT-Google, but probably has its own universe of surveillance. I look forward to trying it out in a few years if/when I lose the current cell phone.

We installed fiber at home 3 years ago, turns out all my network equipment is now chinese (TP-Link mesh etc.), and it doesn’t worry me one bit, quite the opposite. I have an old Iphone via my employer, much more problematic.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 16:42 utc | 94

@scorpion | Sep 8 2023 16:26 utc | 43
I realize now you commented on my other post, my mistake.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 16:45 utc | 95

@scorpion | Sep 8 2023 16:26 utc | 43
I realize now you commented on my other post, my mistake.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2023 16:45 utc | 96

I would sure like to have that new Huawei phone. But here in southern California, as long as Google and the NSA are around, but it won’t be happening.
Thanks Dr. George for the information.

Posted by: Morongobill | Sep 8 2023 17:23 utc | 97

I would sure like to have that new Huawei phone. But here in southern California, as long as Google and the NSA are around, but it won’t be happening.
Thanks Dr. George for the information.

Posted by: Morongobill | Sep 8 2023 17:23 utc | 98

Thanks for pointing me at Garrett Birkhoff. His book Aestetic Measure presented me with a great style where every sentence is lucid and interesting. Still, his thesis is, well, outdated: aestetic experience is not a quality of the object alone, because awareness is not a passive process on our part. Kant, on which he refers, and (more consequentiually) Edmund Husserl call this active component – setting the focus of tbe mind’s eye, if you will – synthesis (oder synthetische Apperzeption). It is this “concious act” (Husserl) which lies behind the complexity in Birkkhoff’s model. A mosz interesting example is music, where you can learn to understand and enjoy all musical styles and traditions, and eventually experience the same emotions that original musicians of the style feel. Frederik Thordendal from Sweden, who plays Guitar in metal outfit Meshuggah, is currently being studied by conservatories worldwide because he apparently is about to change our understanding of harmonic (i.e., complexity resolution) forever, while working at a sawmill[!!] as a dayjob. – I just could’t go past this example. I recommend his early solo album.
So Birkhoff sits firmly in the paradigm of substance metaphysics. I would be very surprised if he has a novel understanding of quantum mechanics which furthers our understanding. Also I would like to hear which “fallacies” my own interpretation, given above, apparently suffers from.
Again I’m with Scorpion on matters of the mind. The Buddha-Nature which you described reminds me very much of Aristotle’s great word nous, which can’t be translated into modern languages easily, but his apercu noesis noeseos noesis would roughly (Erwin Sonderegger) be “awareness is awareness of awareness”.
Mani (216-77) attributes all beings one, and only one, god-quality, and that basically seems to be nous. Being noetic is the same for all, yet what we are aware of differs.
Our modern understanding of Aristotle is wildly defective, even corrupt. Nowhere is this more apparent than in his metaphysics.
I wonder if the greek word hints at a surface of forgotten, or perhaps even cancelled knowledge. The parallels to this notion of the Buddha-Nature are certainly striking.

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 8 2023 17:37 utc | 99

Thanks for pointing me at Garrett Birkhoff. His book Aestetic Measure presented me with a great style where every sentence is lucid and interesting. Still, his thesis is, well, outdated: aestetic experience is not a quality of the object alone, because awareness is not a passive process on our part. Kant, on which he refers, and (more consequentiually) Edmund Husserl call this active component – setting the focus of tbe mind’s eye, if you will – synthesis (oder synthetische Apperzeption). It is this “concious act” (Husserl) which lies behind the complexity in Birkkhoff’s model. A mosz interesting example is music, where you can learn to understand and enjoy all musical styles and traditions, and eventually experience the same emotions that original musicians of the style feel. Frederik Thordendal from Sweden, who plays Guitar in metal outfit Meshuggah, is currently being studied by conservatories worldwide because he apparently is about to change our understanding of harmonic (i.e., complexity resolution) forever, while working at a sawmill[!!] as a dayjob. – I just could’t go past this example. I recommend his early solo album.
So Birkhoff sits firmly in the paradigm of substance metaphysics. I would be very surprised if he has a novel understanding of quantum mechanics which furthers our understanding. Also I would like to hear which “fallacies” my own interpretation, given above, apparently suffers from.
Again I’m with Scorpion on matters of the mind. The Buddha-Nature which you described reminds me very much of Aristotle’s great word nous, which can’t be translated into modern languages easily, but his apercu noesis noeseos noesis would roughly (Erwin Sonderegger) be “awareness is awareness of awareness”.
Mani (216-77) attributes all beings one, and only one, god-quality, and that basically seems to be nous. Being noetic is the same for all, yet what we are aware of differs.
Our modern understanding of Aristotle is wildly defective, even corrupt. Nowhere is this more apparent than in his metaphysics.
I wonder if the greek word hints at a surface of forgotten, or perhaps even cancelled knowledge. The parallels to this notion of the Buddha-Nature are certainly striking.

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 8 2023 17:37 utc | 100