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September 19, 2023
New York Times Acknowledges Ukrainian Origin Of Deadly Strike

The New York Times is finally acknowledging that the September 6 deadly impact of a missile in the center of Kostiantynivka was caused by a Ukrainian missile:

Evidence Suggests Ukrainian Missile Caused Market Tragedy

One wonders what took them so long.

The Sept. 6 missile strike on Kostiantynivka in eastern Ukraine was one of the deadliest in the country in months, killing at least 15 civilians and injuring more than 30 others. The weapon’s payload of metal fragments struck a market, piercing windows and walls and wounding some victims beyond recognition.

Less than two hours later, President Volodymyr Zelensky blamed Russian “terrorists” for the attack, and many media outlets followed suit.

The New York Times was of course one of those media outlets that had spread Zelenski's lies:

The attack clouded Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken’s unannounced visit to Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital, the same day, one of the highest-level visits by a U.S. official to there since President Biden visited in February. Mr. Blinken met with President Volodymyr Zelensky, announced more than $1 billion in new U.S. aid for Ukraine and praised its people’s valor and resilience in the face of what he called Russia’s “horrific” aggression.

Just hours after the impact several bloggers has already found that the missile had come from the Ukrainian side. The next day the Conflict Intelligence Team (CIT) published a report about it:

On Sept. 6, a missile strike rocked Kostiantynivka, a town in the Donetsk region under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The missile hit a bustling city market at 2:04 p.m. local time, leaving 16 dead and 33 injured. Photos and videos of the aftermath of the strike have been circulated by various media outlets worldwide.

The videos showed evidence that the missile had come from the Ukrainian side. Ironically the main one had been published by Zelenski's office:

CCTV footage published on President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s official Telegram channel captured not only the moment of impact, but also the preceding few seconds when bystanders turn their heads, alerted by the sound of the incoming missile. Additionally, the missile’s reflection can be seen on the roofs of two parked cars in different frames of the video. Based on the geolocation of the video, and these reflections, we can say with a high degree of confidence that the missile flew in from the north-west.

The nearest Russian positions are located approximately 18–19 km east and southeast of Kostiantynivka, as to the northwest, the missile could only have been launched from Russian territory in the vicinity of Grayvoron in the Belgorod region at a distance of about 250 km. Since we consider such a scenario to be unlikely, it is reasonable to assume that it was an accidental Ukrainian missile strike.

This version is also indirectly supported by a report about missile launches from aircraft south of Druzhkivka posted at 2:01 p.m. by a pro-Russian Telegram channel, where locals loyal to Russia report on Ukrainian Air Force activity. Druzhkivka is located just northwest of Kostiantynivka.

The strike was assessed to have been by a U.S. AGM-88 anti radar missile:

Pro-Russian Telegram channels assume that it was an AGM-88 HARM missile. The AFU regularly uses such missiles in the Donetsk region—for example, yesterday we reported a hit by such a missile on a residential building in Donetsk. There were also other incidents near Horlivka; fragments of a HARM missile were found on Sept. 1 near Holmivskyi, 30 kilometers southeast of Kostiantynivka.

Currently, there are no photos of the missile debris, making it impossible to identify it. In the reflections seen in the video, no details of its construction can be discerned. Despite the existence of missiles capable of making turns in the air (e.g., the 9K720 Iskander mobile short-range ballistic missile), in this case, there are far more direct and indirect pieces of evidence in favor of an accidental strike by an AGM-88 HARM missile.

The New York Times report disagrees with this missile assessment:

But evidence collected and analyzed by The New York Times, including missile fragments, satellite imagery, witness accounts and social media posts, strongly suggests the catastrophic strike was the result of an errant Ukrainian air defense missile fired by a Buk launch system.

Further evidence reveals that minutes before the strike, the Ukrainian military launched two surface-to-air missiles toward the Russian front line from the town of Druzhkivka, 10 miles northwest of Kostiantynivka.

Reporters with The Times were in Druzhkivka when they heard an outgoing missile launch at 2 p.m., followed a few minutes later by a second. By chance, one member of the team recorded the first launch in a voice message.

In the aftermath of the attack, Ukrainian authorities said Russian forces used a missile fired by an S-300 air defense system, which Russia has used both to intercept aircraft and strike targets on the ground. But an S-300 missile carries a different warhead from the one that exploded in Kostiantynivka.

The metal facades of buildings closest to the explosion were perforated with hundreds of square or rectangular holes, probably made by cube-like objects blown outward from the missile.

Measurements of the holes — and fragments found at the scene — are consistent in size and shape with one weapon in particular: the 9M38 missile, which is fired by the mobile Buk antiaircraft vehicle. Ukraine is known to use the Buk system, as is Russia.

Some of the holes are less than 10 millimeters in width, while others are slightly larger. The 9M38 contains two different sizes of solid-metal cubic fragments: eight millimeters and 13 millimeters across.

That impact damage evidence is less convincing than the Times makes it sound. It could have equally have come from a AGM-88 HARM missile:

The warhead section is designed to inflict sufficient damage on the target antenna and waveguide system to force an inoperative condition. It also ensures complete destruction of the HARM Missile guidance section. The AGM-88A, and AGM-88B warhead section contains 25,000 pre-formed steel fragments, an explosive charge, a fuze, and a fuze booster. The AGM-88C utilizes an improved warhead section containing 12,845 tungsten fragments and an improved explosive charge which provides greater overall lethality.

The fragmentation damage could have been caused by both types of weapons. The sound of the missile launch heard by the Times reporter could also have come from either type. But whatever type of missile it was we can be sure that it was launched by the Ukrainian side.

One question is not answered by The New York Times report. Why did it take twelve days to publish its report when it took only hours after the impact to find convincing evidence of a Ukrainian missile impact?

And why was this published the very day President Zelenski arrives in New York and shortly before he will meet President Biden in the White House?

Are the knives out to cut the liar to size?

Comments

Apparently the crowd wasn’t very large and seemed most part bored looking
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2023 22:21 utc | 93
They were listening to things like: “Artificial intelligence can be trained to fight before it learns to help humanity”, “Russia has no right to have nuclear weapons”, “Russia turned Syria into ruins”

Posted by: rk | Sep 20 2023 6:06 utc | 301

Apparently the crowd wasn’t very large and seemed most part bored looking
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2023 22:21 utc | 93
They were listening to things like: “Artificial intelligence can be trained to fight before it learns to help humanity”, “Russia has no right to have nuclear weapons”, “Russia turned Syria into ruins”

Posted by: rk | Sep 20 2023 6:06 utc | 302

Will they let the syrian envoy speak in regards to this “russia turned syria into rubbles“ claim from this us puppet elenskii?

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 20 2023 6:28 utc | 303

Will they let the syrian envoy speak in regards to this “russia turned syria into rubbles“ claim from this us puppet elenskii?

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 20 2023 6:28 utc | 304

Ukraine playbook for Armenia
Chessmaster again 5D moves behind
There cant be any negotiated agreement!
Only naive fools would believe the US anything
Minsk 2 best example
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/42618

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 20 2023 6:54 utc | 305

Ukraine playbook for Armenia
Chessmaster again 5D moves behind
There cant be any negotiated agreement!
Only naive fools would believe the US anything
Minsk 2 best example
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/42618

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 20 2023 6:54 utc | 306

02. Oktober 2022
Justice Minister Dr. Buschmann: “We will hunt down those responsible”
The European Union considers sabotage to be the likely cause of the leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines and has threatened to take countermeasures. “All available information suggests that these leaks are the result of a deliberate act,” EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said on Wednesday on behalf of the 27 member states. Any intentional disruption of Europe’s energy infrastructure will be met with a robust and joint response.
EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen had previously announced that she considered sabotage to be the cause of the leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines and threatened the possible perpetrators with the harshest consequences. “Any deliberate disruption of Europe’s active energy infrastructure is unacceptable and will result in the strongest response possible,” von der Leyen tweeted.

Posted by: service center | Sep 20 2023 7:08 utc | 307

02. Oktober 2022
Justice Minister Dr. Buschmann: “We will hunt down those responsible”
The European Union considers sabotage to be the likely cause of the leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines and has threatened to take countermeasures. “All available information suggests that these leaks are the result of a deliberate act,” EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said on Wednesday on behalf of the 27 member states. Any intentional disruption of Europe’s energy infrastructure will be met with a robust and joint response.
EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen had previously announced that she considered sabotage to be the cause of the leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines and threatened the possible perpetrators with the harshest consequences. “Any deliberate disruption of Europe’s active energy infrastructure is unacceptable and will result in the strongest response possible,” von der Leyen tweeted.

Posted by: service center | Sep 20 2023 7:08 utc | 308

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 20 2023 6:54 utc | 155
Why did Azerbaijan move in?
Actually, Pashinyan himself declared Nogoro-Kabharak as Azerbaijan territory. Azerbaijan then announced 24h period for dissolving the government and army there dissolve from its territory.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 7:35 utc | 309

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 20 2023 6:54 utc | 155
Why did Azerbaijan move in?
Actually, Pashinyan himself declared Nogoro-Kabharak as Azerbaijan territory. Azerbaijan then announced 24h period for dissolving the government and army there dissolve from its territory.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 7:35 utc | 310

In response to unimperator@157,
Pashinyan also made it clear that Armenia has no intention of defending Karabakh, well in advance. That, together with his stated desire to leave the CSTO and his restated non-recognition of Karabahk, as you’ve mentioned, is every signal that Azerbaijan would ever need to move in. Pashinyan doesn’t want Karabakh, won’t act to defend it and is distancing himself from the only defense organization that could conceivably uphold some sort of status quo — his intention to abandon the Armenians living in the region couldn’t be clearer.

Posted by: Skiffer | Sep 20 2023 8:01 utc | 311

In response to unimperator@157,
Pashinyan also made it clear that Armenia has no intention of defending Karabakh, well in advance. That, together with his stated desire to leave the CSTO and his restated non-recognition of Karabahk, as you’ve mentioned, is every signal that Azerbaijan would ever need to move in. Pashinyan doesn’t want Karabakh, won’t act to defend it and is distancing himself from the only defense organization that could conceivably uphold some sort of status quo — his intention to abandon the Armenians living in the region couldn’t be clearer.

Posted by: Skiffer | Sep 20 2023 8:01 utc | 312

RUAF launched drone strikes on AFU airport near Krivoy Rog. The camera drone filmed while Lancet drone managed to hit Mig-29 on the field. The direct flight is over 72km, but the drones made a loop and came in from the north, that could extend the flight to 90km.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 8:07 utc | 313

RUAF launched drone strikes on AFU airport near Krivoy Rog. The camera drone filmed while Lancet drone managed to hit Mig-29 on the field. The direct flight is over 72km, but the drones made a loop and came in from the north, that could extend the flight to 90km.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 8:07 utc | 314

[ Album ]
Regarding the Lancet strike on the Ukr MiG-29 video
Acc to the MOD, 2 x MiG-29s and 3 x Su-25s were hit (see attached post). The attack took place on Sep 11…there is probably additional footage which hopefully will be released
Some analysts say the attack came from the North, which doesn’t necessaraly mean it was launched from Ukr held territory but the drones probably approached from a round about direction
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/42580

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 8:09 utc | 315

[ Album ]
Regarding the Lancet strike on the Ukr MiG-29 video
Acc to the MOD, 2 x MiG-29s and 3 x Su-25s were hit (see attached post). The attack took place on Sep 11…there is probably additional footage which hopefully will be released
Some analysts say the attack came from the North, which doesn’t necessaraly mean it was launched from Ukr held territory but the drones probably approached from a round about direction
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/42580

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 8:09 utc | 316

@Skiffer | Sep 20 2023 8:01 utc | 158
Everything was prepared, it’s clear. After more of this (t.me/CyberspecNews/42608) and more of this (t.me/DDGeopolitics/81855) nato will “save” them. There’s a new video of a farmer in Moldova who discovered US soldiers on his field. Asks them what are they doing and tells them to go home.

Posted by: rk | Sep 20 2023 8:35 utc | 317

@Skiffer | Sep 20 2023 8:01 utc | 158
Everything was prepared, it’s clear. After more of this (t.me/CyberspecNews/42608) and more of this (t.me/DDGeopolitics/81855) nato will “save” them. There’s a new video of a farmer in Moldova who discovered US soldiers on his field. Asks them what are they doing and tells them to go home.

Posted by: rk | Sep 20 2023 8:35 utc | 318

Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 19 2023 19:27 utc | 65
Most advantage is on the US side. They could sell their nlg in Europe where they had no market share before.
And, finally, do you really think that RF could blow up a pipe literally in the garden of NATO going unnoticed?

Posted by: Mario | Sep 20 2023 8:42 utc | 319

Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 19 2023 19:27 utc | 65
Most advantage is on the US side. They could sell their nlg in Europe where they had no market share before.
And, finally, do you really think that RF could blow up a pipe literally in the garden of NATO going unnoticed?

Posted by: Mario | Sep 20 2023 8:42 utc | 320

I feel like I’m watching slapstick vaudeville, with clowns stepping on the same rake again and again.
Here’s Pashinyan of Armenia “cosplays Zelensky”
What would delude him into thinking being the “next Ukraine” was a smart move.?
I note Duda of Poland has called ClownZ/Ukraine a “drowning man”.
Poland, that nasty hyena of Europe, has played this brilliantly.
Germany is without its NS1+2, thus is looking at long term decline.
Poland, ascendant, could wrest Lvov and possibly more once Ukraine is defeated by Russia.
The Intermarium is their dream.
>… Clown suits all around. https://t.me/CyberspecNews/42618

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 20 2023 9:02 utc | 321

I feel like I’m watching slapstick vaudeville, with clowns stepping on the same rake again and again.
Here’s Pashinyan of Armenia “cosplays Zelensky”
What would delude him into thinking being the “next Ukraine” was a smart move.?
I note Duda of Poland has called ClownZ/Ukraine a “drowning man”.
Poland, that nasty hyena of Europe, has played this brilliantly.
Germany is without its NS1+2, thus is looking at long term decline.
Poland, ascendant, could wrest Lvov and possibly more once Ukraine is defeated by Russia.
The Intermarium is their dream.
>… Clown suits all around. https://t.me/CyberspecNews/42618

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 20 2023 9:02 utc | 322

It’s humanly a pity for such people.
They trusted Zelensky and went to fight (while the entire elite was stealing humanitarian aid and cutting the budget for the army). When they became disabled, the state forgot about them. We gave inside information about this, pointing out that ZeErmak and the Office of the President are simply hushing up the problem and doing nothing.
For a long time now, the Office of the President has been driving men into the army by force and threats, which affects the results, but losses are growing, since officials do not feel sorry for the soldiers.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16294

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:04 utc | 323

It’s humanly a pity for such people.
They trusted Zelensky and went to fight (while the entire elite was stealing humanitarian aid and cutting the budget for the army). When they became disabled, the state forgot about them. We gave inside information about this, pointing out that ZeErmak and the Office of the President are simply hushing up the problem and doing nothing.
For a long time now, the Office of the President has been driving men into the army by force and threats, which affects the results, but losses are growing, since officials do not feel sorry for the soldiers.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16294

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:04 utc | 324

Symbolism all around or elections coming soon! This is a signal from the American lobby.
We have learned many times that the contradictions between Zelensky and Zaluzhny grew around the tactics that the OP used, but the military did not like it. Zaluzhny was against the Azov offensive, but Ze did not listen to him.
At some point, Zaluzhny decided to move away from intrigues politically, since the Armed Forces of Ukraine were preparing to attack and the split in the country between politicians and the military could harm the campaign. As we see, everything comes back, since the office ones failed everything, and their chosen tactics led to negativity (we warned).
According to the source, the Western lobby wants in the future to disperse the message that Ukraine survived in 2022 thanks to Zaluzhny, when the office people, together with Ze, hid in a bunker and did not answer. This is how they can easily take away the status of “hero” from Zelensky, making him an “anti-hero.”
Many are tired of Zelensky.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16295

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:06 utc | 325

Symbolism all around or elections coming soon! This is a signal from the American lobby.
We have learned many times that the contradictions between Zelensky and Zaluzhny grew around the tactics that the OP used, but the military did not like it. Zaluzhny was against the Azov offensive, but Ze did not listen to him.
At some point, Zaluzhny decided to move away from intrigues politically, since the Armed Forces of Ukraine were preparing to attack and the split in the country between politicians and the military could harm the campaign. As we see, everything comes back, since the office ones failed everything, and their chosen tactics led to negativity (we warned).
According to the source, the Western lobby wants in the future to disperse the message that Ukraine survived in 2022 thanks to Zaluzhny, when the office people, together with Ze, hid in a bunker and did not answer. This is how they can easily take away the status of “hero” from Zelensky, making him an “anti-hero.”
Many are tired of Zelensky.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16295

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:06 utc | 326

The State Bureau of Investigation detained two employees of the Sambir military registration and enlistment office who were beating a man. It is reported that his detention at the TCC was illegal.
The incident occurred yesterday, the day the video was published. And the man was kept in the TCC since September 12. He was starved, beaten and bullied so that he would voluntarily undergo a military medical commission and go into the army.
The deputy head of one of the TCC departments and a soldier-driver of this department were detained. It was the driver who beat the man and threatened him with a weapon, which was caught on video.

https://t.me/MediaKiller2021/9559

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:07 utc | 327

The State Bureau of Investigation detained two employees of the Sambir military registration and enlistment office who were beating a man. It is reported that his detention at the TCC was illegal.
The incident occurred yesterday, the day the video was published. And the man was kept in the TCC since September 12. He was starved, beaten and bullied so that he would voluntarily undergo a military medical commission and go into the army.
The deputy head of one of the TCC departments and a soldier-driver of this department were detained. It was the driver who beat the man and threatened him with a weapon, which was caught on video.

https://t.me/MediaKiller2021/9559

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:07 utc | 328

The United States is using the military conflict in Ukraine to test out tactics that could be used in the future in the confrontation with China over Taiwan.
“We have learned a number of important lessons from the Ukrainian war with Russia,” US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said at a Senate hearing back in the spring of 2023 when asked about a strategy for protecting Taiwan from potential military action by China. “One of those lessons is that with asymmetric capabilities and asymmetric tactics and techniques, smaller forces can defend really well against larger forces.”
Therefore, it is not at all surprising that American advisers, in constant communication with the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, place special emphasis on the defense of populated areas and infrastructure facilities, turning them into strongholds and using “human shields.” This is exactly what is planned to be built in the Kharkov and Sumy regions, where an offensive by the Russian Armed Forces is quite expected. And equally, the same model of warfare will be used in a possible Taiwan-China conflict.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19739

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:09 utc | 329

The United States is using the military conflict in Ukraine to test out tactics that could be used in the future in the confrontation with China over Taiwan.
“We have learned a number of important lessons from the Ukrainian war with Russia,” US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said at a Senate hearing back in the spring of 2023 when asked about a strategy for protecting Taiwan from potential military action by China. “One of those lessons is that with asymmetric capabilities and asymmetric tactics and techniques, smaller forces can defend really well against larger forces.”
Therefore, it is not at all surprising that American advisers, in constant communication with the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, place special emphasis on the defense of populated areas and infrastructure facilities, turning them into strongholds and using “human shields.” This is exactly what is planned to be built in the Kharkov and Sumy regions, where an offensive by the Russian Armed Forces is quite expected. And equally, the same model of warfare will be used in a possible Taiwan-China conflict.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19739

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:09 utc | 330

The Office of the President will be forced to sacrifice Ukrainian interests in the conflict with Warsaw, while our international positions have sank greatly, and emotional diplomacy has stopped working.
If Bankovaya does not urgently draw conclusions, then in the future we will be left alone, and we will be treated like drowned people who are trying to drown their neighbors.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19740

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:10 utc | 331

The Office of the President will be forced to sacrifice Ukrainian interests in the conflict with Warsaw, while our international positions have sank greatly, and emotional diplomacy has stopped working.
If Bankovaya does not urgently draw conclusions, then in the future we will be left alone, and we will be treated like drowned people who are trying to drown their neighbors.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19740

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:10 utc | 332

Our source from the Office of the President reported that the General Staff demanded to strengthen mobilization and Zelensky agreed on this track.
Ukraine is stepping up mobilization because Russia is increasing its forces. This was stated by the secretary of the parliamentary defense committee Roman Kostenko.
According to him, Ukraine will have to carry out mobilization “more intense than now” if the Russian Federation, as the Ukrainian General Staff previously reported, calls up another 700 thousand recruits.
“Now we are mobilizing, reacting to what forces and means the Russians have. For example, they have approximately 400 thousand military personnel. Therefore, we are responding to mobilization, replenishing our units at the forefront, forming new ones. Of course, if mobilization in Russia will be at such a pace, we will need to increase mobilization in order to be able to respond adequately,” he said.
According to Kostenko, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are 80% “or even more” mobilized, who were not previously career military personnel.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19741

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:11 utc | 333

Our source from the Office of the President reported that the General Staff demanded to strengthen mobilization and Zelensky agreed on this track.
Ukraine is stepping up mobilization because Russia is increasing its forces. This was stated by the secretary of the parliamentary defense committee Roman Kostenko.
According to him, Ukraine will have to carry out mobilization “more intense than now” if the Russian Federation, as the Ukrainian General Staff previously reported, calls up another 700 thousand recruits.
“Now we are mobilizing, reacting to what forces and means the Russians have. For example, they have approximately 400 thousand military personnel. Therefore, we are responding to mobilization, replenishing our units at the forefront, forming new ones. Of course, if mobilization in Russia will be at such a pace, we will need to increase mobilization in order to be able to respond adequately,” he said.
According to Kostenko, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are 80% “or even more” mobilized, who were not previously career military personnel.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19741

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:11 utc | 334

Comparing Ukraine to a drowned man from our main ally could cost us very dearly in the future. Duda could have chosen any comparison, a softer one: a drowning man who is saved by the West and a signal to everyone that they will definitely pull him out together.
Only the President of Poland compared us to a drowned man who was marked and cannot be saved, which means we need to think only about ourselves.
This message will be clearly relayed to the global South; if our main ally no longer believes in the prospects of Ukraine, then why should we worsen relations with Russia?

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19743

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:13 utc | 335

Comparing Ukraine to a drowned man from our main ally could cost us very dearly in the future. Duda could have chosen any comparison, a softer one: a drowning man who is saved by the West and a signal to everyone that they will definitely pull him out together.
Only the President of Poland compared us to a drowned man who was marked and cannot be saved, which means we need to think only about ourselves.
This message will be clearly relayed to the global South; if our main ally no longer believes in the prospects of Ukraine, then why should we worsen relations with Russia?

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19743

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:13 utc | 336

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:06 utc | 165

Another Overton window is open, now Zelensky is not on the list of the nation’s rescuers, which greatly angered the President’s Office. A narrative was technically thrown into the information space that Zaluzhny should be the next president.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19744

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:14 utc | 337

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:06 utc | 165

Another Overton window is open, now Zelensky is not on the list of the nation’s rescuers, which greatly angered the President’s Office. A narrative was technically thrown into the information space that Zaluzhny should be the next president.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19744

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 9:14 utc | 338

In response to rk@161,
Maybe that’s the intended spin, but it can only work on the braindead segment of the population who wouldn’t need further convincing either way. NATO certainly can’t do shit to protect Armenians in Karabakh, nor will they fight the Turks and Azeris over it, especially if Armenia itself washes its hands off the whole thing. And nobody in the region will appreciate a NATO Armenia, it’ll become a bigger leper than it already is. Any Armenians drinking the NATO cool-aid today will come to realize they’ve been boned soon enough.
That said, Pashinyan is presumably just working off a script and whoever wrote that script isn’t thinking beyond the pilot episode and doesn’t care about writing themselves into a corner. He probably got suckered in by Washington’s lucrative retirement plan of becoming the future mayor of Odessa.

Posted by: Skiffer | Sep 20 2023 9:37 utc | 339

In response to rk@161,
Maybe that’s the intended spin, but it can only work on the braindead segment of the population who wouldn’t need further convincing either way. NATO certainly can’t do shit to protect Armenians in Karabakh, nor will they fight the Turks and Azeris over it, especially if Armenia itself washes its hands off the whole thing. And nobody in the region will appreciate a NATO Armenia, it’ll become a bigger leper than it already is. Any Armenians drinking the NATO cool-aid today will come to realize they’ve been boned soon enough.
That said, Pashinyan is presumably just working off a script and whoever wrote that script isn’t thinking beyond the pilot episode and doesn’t care about writing themselves into a corner. He probably got suckered in by Washington’s lucrative retirement plan of becoming the future mayor of Odessa.

Posted by: Skiffer | Sep 20 2023 9:37 utc | 340

And so it joins the list of black ops… Kramatorsk Railway Station, Bucha Massacre, shooting down of MH17, blowing up NS2, Russians bombing their own POW camp, White Helmets, Assad poison gas attacks, babies being pulled from incubators, Skripals, …

Posted by: Guy Thornton | Sep 20 2023 9:52 utc | 341

And so it joins the list of black ops… Kramatorsk Railway Station, Bucha Massacre, shooting down of MH17, blowing up NS2, Russians bombing their own POW camp, White Helmets, Assad poison gas attacks, babies being pulled from incubators, Skripals, …

Posted by: Guy Thornton | Sep 20 2023 9:52 utc | 342

What has the US promised Armenia if it gives up Karabakh? With Azerbaijan close to Turkey and Israel, a US orientated Armenia would close the direct land route from Iran to Russia. NATO membership for Armenia would be a major victory for the US.

Posted by: Norfolkeagle | Sep 20 2023 9:52 utc | 343

What has the US promised Armenia if it gives up Karabakh? With Azerbaijan close to Turkey and Israel, a US orientated Armenia would close the direct land route from Iran to Russia. NATO membership for Armenia would be a major victory for the US.

Posted by: Norfolkeagle | Sep 20 2023 9:52 utc | 344

This event reminds me of the series of street and market massacres which took place in the Bosnian capital Sarajevo in the early 1990s. These were always initially blamed by the western media on the Bosnian Serb forces who were besieging the city, but there were suspicions that the mostly Bosnian Muslim defenders themselves carried out some of the massacres to win international sympathy for their cause.
According to Michel Collon, in his book ‘Pokeur Meunier’ (Bruxelles 1998, English translation 2002 under the name ‘Liar’s Poker’, p.28 ), it was reported in the London Independent newspaper that “…United Nations officials and senior Western military officers believe some of the worst killings in Sarajevo, including the massacre of at least 16 people in a bread queue [on 27 May 1992], were the work of the city’s mainly Muslim defenders – not the Serbian besiegers – as a propaganda ploy to win world sympathy and trigger military intervention.” It may be possible to find the original article in the Independent’s own archive for late August or early September 1992 at https://www.independent.co.uk/archive. Collon states that the article appeared ‘three months’ after the 27 May event.
Collon also cites (op.cit., p.47) the book ‘Balkan Odyssey’ by British Foreign Minister David Owen, in which Owen states that General Michael Rose, the commander of UNPROFOR (the UN protection force in Bosnia-Herzegovina) told Bosnian President Izetbegovic and his military chief of “…technical information which pointed to the mortar bomb [which had killed more than 60 people on a Sarajevo market place on 5 February 1994] having come not from Serb-controlled areas but from a Muslim-controlled area.”
Could Zelensky’s forces have themselves targeted the Kostiantynivka marketplace in order to persuade Biden and his NATO allies to keep up the weapons deliveries?

Posted by: Coldish | Sep 20 2023 9:58 utc | 345

This event reminds me of the series of street and market massacres which took place in the Bosnian capital Sarajevo in the early 1990s. These were always initially blamed by the western media on the Bosnian Serb forces who were besieging the city, but there were suspicions that the mostly Bosnian Muslim defenders themselves carried out some of the massacres to win international sympathy for their cause.
According to Michel Collon, in his book ‘Pokeur Meunier’ (Bruxelles 1998, English translation 2002 under the name ‘Liar’s Poker’, p.28 ), it was reported in the London Independent newspaper that “…United Nations officials and senior Western military officers believe some of the worst killings in Sarajevo, including the massacre of at least 16 people in a bread queue [on 27 May 1992], were the work of the city’s mainly Muslim defenders – not the Serbian besiegers – as a propaganda ploy to win world sympathy and trigger military intervention.” It may be possible to find the original article in the Independent’s own archive for late August or early September 1992 at https://www.independent.co.uk/archive. Collon states that the article appeared ‘three months’ after the 27 May event.
Collon also cites (op.cit., p.47) the book ‘Balkan Odyssey’ by British Foreign Minister David Owen, in which Owen states that General Michael Rose, the commander of UNPROFOR (the UN protection force in Bosnia-Herzegovina) told Bosnian President Izetbegovic and his military chief of “…technical information which pointed to the mortar bomb [which had killed more than 60 people on a Sarajevo market place on 5 February 1994] having come not from Serb-controlled areas but from a Muslim-controlled area.”
Could Zelensky’s forces have themselves targeted the Kostiantynivka marketplace in order to persuade Biden and his NATO allies to keep up the weapons deliveries?

Posted by: Coldish | Sep 20 2023 9:58 utc | 346

Yuri Podolyak, the military analyst said that Artsakh has capitulated and in light of events it was a smart choice as defending it would have been suicide. He also said that Russian contingent will remain in Artsakh and the US plan to oust Russia has failed.
A lot of analysts say no one in the Caucasus region wants to really see Nato/US set up in Armenia, and it will become a Pariah. Certainly, well, non of these developments is good for Armenians.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 10:00 utc | 347

Yuri Podolyak, the military analyst said that Artsakh has capitulated and in light of events it was a smart choice as defending it would have been suicide. He also said that Russian contingent will remain in Artsakh and the US plan to oust Russia has failed.
A lot of analysts say no one in the Caucasus region wants to really see Nato/US set up in Armenia, and it will become a Pariah. Certainly, well, non of these developments is good for Armenians.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 10:00 utc | 348

What has the US promised Armenia if it gives up Karabakh? With Azerbaijan close to Turkey and Israel, a US orientated Armenia would close the direct land route from Iran to Russia. NATO membership for Armenia would be a major victory for the US.
Posted by: Norfolkeagle | Sep 20 2023 9:52 utc | 174

yes, while Russia is bleeding, USA is winning effortlessly.
We must note this, however unpleasant, and understand why is that so.

Posted by: simplex | Sep 20 2023 10:01 utc | 349

What has the US promised Armenia if it gives up Karabakh? With Azerbaijan close to Turkey and Israel, a US orientated Armenia would close the direct land route from Iran to Russia. NATO membership for Armenia would be a major victory for the US.
Posted by: Norfolkeagle | Sep 20 2023 9:52 utc | 174

yes, while Russia is bleeding, USA is winning effortlessly.
We must note this, however unpleasant, and understand why is that so.

Posted by: simplex | Sep 20 2023 10:01 utc | 350

service_center 156
The EU dinosaur seems to have a one year delay between USUKIS clubbing its tail and the information reaching its brain. What is Ursula going to do to USUKIS to stop the electric fence round Jurassic Park that is containing this war in Ukraine from escaping to outside Ukraine?
When David Cameron and Obama were arming the Ukrainian Nazis and brainwashing the Ukrainians , did they ever think that mixing the Nazi DNA with frog DNA might lead to dangerous consequences in a world of nuclear weapons?
The fingerprints on the re- Nazification of Ukraine and the destruction of NS2 look to me like British fingerprints. The British have already lost their empire so have nothing to lose. The British Tories now in power since 2010 have always wanted Empire2. These are the same people who simultaneously locked down the whole of Britain and had boozy jermy parties in No. 10.
So if I was Ursula I would be telling Mr Putin to punish London. Diplomatic chaos in the EU and the break- up of Nato are on Mr Putin’s 2021 wish list for starting the SMO. It looks like this might now start happening , long before the war ends in Ukraine.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 20 2023 10:02 utc | 351

service_center 156
The EU dinosaur seems to have a one year delay between USUKIS clubbing its tail and the information reaching its brain. What is Ursula going to do to USUKIS to stop the electric fence round Jurassic Park that is containing this war in Ukraine from escaping to outside Ukraine?
When David Cameron and Obama were arming the Ukrainian Nazis and brainwashing the Ukrainians , did they ever think that mixing the Nazi DNA with frog DNA might lead to dangerous consequences in a world of nuclear weapons?
The fingerprints on the re- Nazification of Ukraine and the destruction of NS2 look to me like British fingerprints. The British have already lost their empire so have nothing to lose. The British Tories now in power since 2010 have always wanted Empire2. These are the same people who simultaneously locked down the whole of Britain and had boozy jermy parties in No. 10.
So if I was Ursula I would be telling Mr Putin to punish London. Diplomatic chaos in the EU and the break- up of Nato are on Mr Putin’s 2021 wish list for starting the SMO. It looks like this might now start happening , long before the war ends in Ukraine.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 20 2023 10:02 utc | 352

In response to Norfolkeagle@174,
Armenia doesn’t border Russia directly, so a “direct land route” through Armenia would by necessity pass through Georgia, which isn’t exactly reliable. Meanwhile, the Azeris have a balanced approach to Russia/Iran ala Turkey, and Turkmenistan is good with both Russia & China. Armenia is a tiny, landlocked island where all of its neighbors have their own plans and none want to see increased US influence — it’s not a major victory for the US to hold it, unless it can make something out of it.

Posted by: Skiffer | Sep 20 2023 10:03 utc | 353

In response to Norfolkeagle@174,
Armenia doesn’t border Russia directly, so a “direct land route” through Armenia would by necessity pass through Georgia, which isn’t exactly reliable. Meanwhile, the Azeris have a balanced approach to Russia/Iran ala Turkey, and Turkmenistan is good with both Russia & China. Armenia is a tiny, landlocked island where all of its neighbors have their own plans and none want to see increased US influence — it’s not a major victory for the US to hold it, unless it can make something out of it.

Posted by: Skiffer | Sep 20 2023 10:03 utc | 354

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 15:27 utc | 3
What is needed is a movie of Biden questioning Israel’s right to exist.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 20 2023 10:25 utc | 355

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 15:27 utc | 3
What is needed is a movie of Biden questioning Israel’s right to exist.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 20 2023 10:25 utc | 356

Adding to Skiffer@179,
Furthermore, their influence now hinges on convincing the Armenian population that the upcoming ethnic cleansing of Armenians in Karabakh, ostensibly green-lit by Pashinyan and initiated during joint US-Armenian exercises is some sort of Russian betrayal, but the US is also in no position to even hint or promise of any restitution — in fact, an Armanian Karabakh was and would be a detriment to any efforts of expanding US influence in Armenia. It’s not going to be an easy game to use the situation in Karabakh as a bludgeon against Russian-Armenian relations when every swing bounces off to hit you square in the face, so I wouldn’t call it a fait accompli that they’ll be successful.

Posted by: Skiffer | Sep 20 2023 10:27 utc | 357

Adding to Skiffer@179,
Furthermore, their influence now hinges on convincing the Armenian population that the upcoming ethnic cleansing of Armenians in Karabakh, ostensibly green-lit by Pashinyan and initiated during joint US-Armenian exercises is some sort of Russian betrayal, but the US is also in no position to even hint or promise of any restitution — in fact, an Armanian Karabakh was and would be a detriment to any efforts of expanding US influence in Armenia. It’s not going to be an easy game to use the situation in Karabakh as a bludgeon against Russian-Armenian relations when every swing bounces off to hit you square in the face, so I wouldn’t call it a fait accompli that they’ll be successful.

Posted by: Skiffer | Sep 20 2023 10:27 utc | 358

179 – Yes, it’s kind of interesting how people post items and make assumptions without bothering with basic stuff like consulting a map.

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 20 2023 10:28 utc | 359

179 – Yes, it’s kind of interesting how people post items and make assumptions without bothering with basic stuff like consulting a map.

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 20 2023 10:28 utc | 360

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 17:14 utc | 41
Thanks for telling us that speculators in natural gas futures are possible co-conspirators.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 20 2023 10:29 utc | 361

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 17:14 utc | 41
Thanks for telling us that speculators in natural gas futures are possible co-conspirators.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 20 2023 10:29 utc | 362

It is solely up to Washington to explain where it has the audacity to commit an act of war against Germany that deliberately targets the economic heart of our nation.
You, meaning Germany, are literally “nobody” and Washington does not have to explain themselves to you.

Posted by: Fred777 | Sep 20 2023 10:31 utc | 363

It is solely up to Washington to explain where it has the audacity to commit an act of war against Germany that deliberately targets the economic heart of our nation.
You, meaning Germany, are literally “nobody” and Washington does not have to explain themselves to you.

Posted by: Fred777 | Sep 20 2023 10:31 utc | 364

“the agreement will be implemented in coordination with the command for the Russian peacekeeping contingent.” tass.com/world/1677623
“The Armenian side recognized Karabakh as an integral part of Azerbaijani territory. At the moment this has all significantly changed a number of provisions. We do not accept such reproaches addressed to us” tass.com/politics/1677609

Posted by: rk | Sep 20 2023 10:46 utc | 365

“the agreement will be implemented in coordination with the command for the Russian peacekeeping contingent.” tass.com/world/1677623
“The Armenian side recognized Karabakh as an integral part of Azerbaijani territory. At the moment this has all significantly changed a number of provisions. We do not accept such reproaches addressed to us” tass.com/politics/1677609

Posted by: rk | Sep 20 2023 10:46 utc | 366

@ oh Canada “They [Russia] have over half the planet seeing them as the “good guys” while they invade the neighbors. That’s a tough sell they are pulling off.”
The Ukraine army shelled Donbass for 8 years killing over `13,000 civilians-an act of genocide. UN rules actually allow sovereign countries to rectify a genocide. So your use of the word, ‘invade’, is totally incorrect.
Perhaps, young Canuk , you should spend more time reading and thinking than posting ill thought out ideas?.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 20 2023 11:07 utc | 367

@ oh Canada “They [Russia] have over half the planet seeing them as the “good guys” while they invade the neighbors. That’s a tough sell they are pulling off.”
The Ukraine army shelled Donbass for 8 years killing over `13,000 civilians-an act of genocide. UN rules actually allow sovereign countries to rectify a genocide. So your use of the word, ‘invade’, is totally incorrect.
Perhaps, young Canuk , you should spend more time reading and thinking than posting ill thought out ideas?.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 20 2023 11:07 utc | 368

The natzos ukrop folly needs being disposed of as it will screw up the pantomime season. Elections.
There is no victory to crow about – no ‘liberation’ of Crimea ; not even a stroll to the Azov sea.
The PR gurus can’t sell that when it’s so obvious.
So they will settle for a barely pyrrhic one, the sending of some message in bottles to the BlackSea Fleet.
And changing the tune – starting with finally ‘spotting’ a false flag by their beloved poster boy, the little wooden puppet actor.
Along with a few media abracadabras – Russell Brand, Ngorno Karabakh and other diversions the show business of the never ending pantomime democracy bullshit begins to end with the usual gerrymandering and added electronic and postal vote fraud.
A nasty weapon that was used on humans- there must be enough evidence of the fragments to know what exactly it was. These who make and launch such nasties need detachment from future humanity.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 20 2023 11:12 utc | 369

The natzos ukrop folly needs being disposed of as it will screw up the pantomime season. Elections.
There is no victory to crow about – no ‘liberation’ of Crimea ; not even a stroll to the Azov sea.
The PR gurus can’t sell that when it’s so obvious.
So they will settle for a barely pyrrhic one, the sending of some message in bottles to the BlackSea Fleet.
And changing the tune – starting with finally ‘spotting’ a false flag by their beloved poster boy, the little wooden puppet actor.
Along with a few media abracadabras – Russell Brand, Ngorno Karabakh and other diversions the show business of the never ending pantomime democracy bullshit begins to end with the usual gerrymandering and added electronic and postal vote fraud.
A nasty weapon that was used on humans- there must be enough evidence of the fragments to know what exactly it was. These who make and launch such nasties need detachment from future humanity.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 20 2023 11:12 utc | 370

Pour les francophones, a voir l’interview de Michel Collon par Regis de Castelnau: ”les medias mensonges”.
https://odysee.com/@RegisdeCastelnauVududroit:7/guerre-en-ukraine-vid%C3%A9o-n%C2%B055:2

Posted by: FromFrance | Sep 20 2023 11:17 utc | 371

Pour les francophones, a voir l’interview de Michel Collon par Regis de Castelnau: ”les medias mensonges”.
https://odysee.com/@RegisdeCastelnauVududroit:7/guerre-en-ukraine-vid%C3%A9o-n%C2%B055:2

Posted by: FromFrance | Sep 20 2023 11:17 utc | 372

@bubbles 91 “Actually one other thing, Trudeau vs. Modi should garner more attention. ”
As a Canadian I believe I know why Trudeau went after Modi. Trudeau about 5 years ago made a trip to India where he dressed up his whole family in symbolic Indian clothes and made a mockery of himself and Canada. Also, on the trip Trudeau took his chef whom is a ‘Sikh terrorist’ according to India. Modi only met Trudeau at the airport ( a week after he arrived) when he was leaving-that’s where, the ‘bad taste’ in the mouth began.
Trudeau is flailing-14 points down in the polls- with a minority government in Canada. His liberal government is supported by the NDP who is led by a guy named Singh, whom is a Sikh. Get it now?
Trudeau is trying to keep power by supporting Sikh secession in India so Singh will keep his support of the government- -he’ll do anything to stay in power the lousy WEFer!!

Posted by: canuck | Sep 20 2023 11:22 utc | 373

@bubbles 91 “Actually one other thing, Trudeau vs. Modi should garner more attention. ”
As a Canadian I believe I know why Trudeau went after Modi. Trudeau about 5 years ago made a trip to India where he dressed up his whole family in symbolic Indian clothes and made a mockery of himself and Canada. Also, on the trip Trudeau took his chef whom is a ‘Sikh terrorist’ according to India. Modi only met Trudeau at the airport ( a week after he arrived) when he was leaving-that’s where, the ‘bad taste’ in the mouth began.
Trudeau is flailing-14 points down in the polls- with a minority government in Canada. His liberal government is supported by the NDP who is led by a guy named Singh, whom is a Sikh. Get it now?
Trudeau is trying to keep power by supporting Sikh secession in India so Singh will keep his support of the government- -he’ll do anything to stay in power the lousy WEFer!!

Posted by: canuck | Sep 20 2023 11:22 utc | 374

Gilbert Doctrow:
Top story in yesterday’s Russian television news: ‘The New York Times’ investigative report
(Excerpt)

The coincidence of the disaster and the visit by Blinken was brought out in the Sixty Minutes broadcast yesterday. To those who might miss the point, the Sixty Minutes presenter Yevgeny Popov reminded viewers that Kostiantynivka is situated close to the town Bucha, where in May 2022 a massacre of innocent civilians alleged to have been committed by retreating Russian soldiers raised a cry of indignation across ‘the international community’ and brought about Europe’s commitment to the Ukrainian cause whatever the price. In short, Russian state television strongly hinted that the havoc in a Ukrainian market town on 6 September was yet another ‘false flag’ operation staged by the Kiev regime. “Perhaps one day The New York Times will do a fresh investigative report on Bucha,” Popov said in conclusion.

Posted by: tawharanui | Sep 20 2023 11:23 utc | 375

Gilbert Doctrow:
Top story in yesterday’s Russian television news: ‘The New York Times’ investigative report
(Excerpt)

The coincidence of the disaster and the visit by Blinken was brought out in the Sixty Minutes broadcast yesterday. To those who might miss the point, the Sixty Minutes presenter Yevgeny Popov reminded viewers that Kostiantynivka is situated close to the town Bucha, where in May 2022 a massacre of innocent civilians alleged to have been committed by retreating Russian soldiers raised a cry of indignation across ‘the international community’ and brought about Europe’s commitment to the Ukrainian cause whatever the price. In short, Russian state television strongly hinted that the havoc in a Ukrainian market town on 6 September was yet another ‘false flag’ operation staged by the Kiev regime. “Perhaps one day The New York Times will do a fresh investigative report on Bucha,” Popov said in conclusion.

Posted by: tawharanui | Sep 20 2023 11:23 utc | 376

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 4:59 utc | 148
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 8:07 utc | 159
It’s big news if RF has started to deploy long range drone comms. Could be a relay network along a chain of drones we don’t get to see or conceivably a mil-comms satellite link that’s established when auto-piloted drones get to the target area.
Either way, being able to operate drones at greatly extended ranges has enormous implications.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 20 2023 11:35 utc | 377

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 4:59 utc | 148
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 8:07 utc | 159
It’s big news if RF has started to deploy long range drone comms. Could be a relay network along a chain of drones we don’t get to see or conceivably a mil-comms satellite link that’s established when auto-piloted drones get to the target area.
Either way, being able to operate drones at greatly extended ranges has enormous implications.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 20 2023 11:35 utc | 378

The Duran has two good videos recently on the Armenian Pashinyan fiasco.
https://odysee.com/@theduran:e/armenia-pushed-towards-disaster-scenario:1
https://odysee.com/@theduran:e/leading-armenia-down-the-primrose-path:d
Pashinyan wants to enter the EU and NATO. He has always been a US tool. Getting rid of the NK problem was for them necessary to pave the way into these organizations. So he has these joint military exercises with the US while still being in the CSTO.
Iran has been one of Armenia’s friends, but obviously, this will not last.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Sep 20 2023 11:35 utc | 379

The Duran has two good videos recently on the Armenian Pashinyan fiasco.
https://odysee.com/@theduran:e/armenia-pushed-towards-disaster-scenario:1
https://odysee.com/@theduran:e/leading-armenia-down-the-primrose-path:d
Pashinyan wants to enter the EU and NATO. He has always been a US tool. Getting rid of the NK problem was for them necessary to pave the way into these organizations. So he has these joint military exercises with the US while still being in the CSTO.
Iran has been one of Armenia’s friends, but obviously, this will not last.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Sep 20 2023 11:35 utc | 380

Where’s all this Polish comparison of Ukraine to a drowning man who’ll pull others to their deaths?
I read Duda’s speech to the UN
https://gadebate.un.org/sites/default/files/gastatements/%5Bvariable%3Acurrent_session%5D/pl_en.pdf
and it’s just standard “Russia bad, USA good”, indeed even Boris Johnson might feel he was going OTT.
“It is too often that Europe tends to forget that it owes its security and prosperity to the US commitment and presence. In Poland we recall this very well, that is why Poland‘s top priority for the time of our presidency of the European Union in the first half of 2025, will be enhancing transatlantic relations, and cooperation between the EU and the United States!”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 20 2023 12:09 utc | 381

Where’s all this Polish comparison of Ukraine to a drowning man who’ll pull others to their deaths?
I read Duda’s speech to the UN
https://gadebate.un.org/sites/default/files/gastatements/%5Bvariable%3Acurrent_session%5D/pl_en.pdf
and it’s just standard “Russia bad, USA good”, indeed even Boris Johnson might feel he was going OTT.
“It is too often that Europe tends to forget that it owes its security and prosperity to the US commitment and presence. In Poland we recall this very well, that is why Poland‘s top priority for the time of our presidency of the European Union in the first half of 2025, will be enhancing transatlantic relations, and cooperation between the EU and the United States!”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 20 2023 12:09 utc | 382

Since this thread seems to have wandered a bit, I’ll post this here. About Trudeau and India, I think he is following advice/reports from the intelligence agency/ies. Which may be thought of as part of the Canadian deep state? Not sure if he has the power to just ignore what they tell him, not act on it.
King Charles is on a state visit to France. Reminder, he is the head of the Canadian Armed Forces, so if hypothetically, some part of the Canadian military wanted to get deployed to some operation somewhere, he’d have to sign off on it.
https://x.com/Army_Comd_Armee/status/1702691238712090968
Prince William is in New York where he met with New York firefighters and visited the 9/11 memorial.
Queen Mathilde of Belgium attended this high-level session yesterday with the permanent representative at the UN for Morocco, Omar Hilale
https://x.com/Morocco_UN/status/1704181743505334468

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 20 2023 12:11 utc | 383

Since this thread seems to have wandered a bit, I’ll post this here. About Trudeau and India, I think he is following advice/reports from the intelligence agency/ies. Which may be thought of as part of the Canadian deep state? Not sure if he has the power to just ignore what they tell him, not act on it.
King Charles is on a state visit to France. Reminder, he is the head of the Canadian Armed Forces, so if hypothetically, some part of the Canadian military wanted to get deployed to some operation somewhere, he’d have to sign off on it.
https://x.com/Army_Comd_Armee/status/1702691238712090968
Prince William is in New York where he met with New York firefighters and visited the 9/11 memorial.
Queen Mathilde of Belgium attended this high-level session yesterday with the permanent representative at the UN for Morocco, Omar Hilale
https://x.com/Morocco_UN/status/1704181743505334468

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 20 2023 12:11 utc | 384

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 20 2023 12:09 utc | 193
Duda declarations on drawing man were not made in the UN speech but in a press conference.
No surprise you didn’t find it in the I transcript.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 20 2023 12:28 utc | 385

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 20 2023 12:09 utc | 193
Duda declarations on drawing man were not made in the UN speech but in a press conference.
No surprise you didn’t find it in the I transcript.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 20 2023 12:28 utc | 386

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 20 2023 4:53 utc | 145
There seems to be no contradiction in exporting poverty to produce poor workers and then importing cheap goods to produce more poor workers.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 20 2023 12:40 utc | 387

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 20 2023 4:53 utc | 145
There seems to be no contradiction in exporting poverty to produce poor workers and then importing cheap goods to produce more poor workers.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 20 2023 12:40 utc | 388

@Blue Dotterel #192
Yep.
From a 2020 MK interview with Russian Armenian political scientist and historian Andranik Migranyan:

Migranyan: And who created such situation? In Armenia, everyone who is not brainwashed by this velvet revolution and Pashinyan believes that this is a total betrayal. Simply a surrender. This man, many years ago, when he was in opposition, wrote that no one needs Karabakh, that it must be surrendered and forgotten. Because he was Levon Ter-Petrosyan’s henchman, and this was Ter-Petrosyan’s plan. To surrender Karabakh and resolve other issues.
Interviewer: Which ones?
Migranyan: Strobe Talbott (former U.S. Deputy Secretary of State — MK) was offering Ter-Petrosyan gas pipelines, oil pipelines through Armenia, lifting the blockade, investments. Just surrender it. That’s why Ter-Petrosyan’s formula was: “Karabakh is de facto independent, but de jure part of Azerbaijan.” That’s why he was forced to resign.

Posted by: S | Sep 20 2023 12:42 utc | 389

@Blue Dotterel #192
Yep.
From a 2020 MK interview with Russian Armenian political scientist and historian Andranik Migranyan:

Migranyan: And who created such situation? In Armenia, everyone who is not brainwashed by this velvet revolution and Pashinyan believes that this is a total betrayal. Simply a surrender. This man, many years ago, when he was in opposition, wrote that no one needs Karabakh, that it must be surrendered and forgotten. Because he was Levon Ter-Petrosyan’s henchman, and this was Ter-Petrosyan’s plan. To surrender Karabakh and resolve other issues.
Interviewer: Which ones?
Migranyan: Strobe Talbott (former U.S. Deputy Secretary of State — MK) was offering Ter-Petrosyan gas pipelines, oil pipelines through Armenia, lifting the blockade, investments. Just surrender it. That’s why Ter-Petrosyan’s formula was: “Karabakh is de facto independent, but de jure part of Azerbaijan.” That’s why he was forced to resign.

Posted by: S | Sep 20 2023 12:42 utc | 390

Mario | Sep 20 2023 12:28 utc | 195
“not made in the UN speech but in a press conference”
You could have provided a link!

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 20 2023 12:48 utc | 391

Mario | Sep 20 2023 12:28 utc | 195
“not made in the UN speech but in a press conference”
You could have provided a link!

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 20 2023 12:48 utc | 392

Ukraine has rejected delivery of 10 Leopard 1A5 tanks from Germany on the basis of poor technical condition. So much for western ”military industry mobilization”.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 12:52 utc | 393

Ukraine has rejected delivery of 10 Leopard 1A5 tanks from Germany on the basis of poor technical condition. So much for western ”military industry mobilization”.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 12:52 utc | 394

have provided a link!
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 20 2023 12:48 utc | 198
Here is one link.
Searching simply for Duda drawing man will give the result.
https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/ukraine-behaves-like-a-drowning-person-over-grain-import-ban-says-duda-41422

Posted by: Mario | Sep 20 2023 12:55 utc | 395

have provided a link!
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 20 2023 12:48 utc | 198
Here is one link.
Searching simply for Duda drawing man will give the result.
https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/ukraine-behaves-like-a-drowning-person-over-grain-import-ban-says-duda-41422

Posted by: Mario | Sep 20 2023 12:55 utc | 396

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 2:01 utc | 129
“Edmonton, Alberta, and surrounding regions have a lot of Ukrainians who moved there as far back as a century ago. There is even an Ukrainian village commemorating their living conditions.”
Many of these Ukes have Leo Tolstoy to thanks as he financed their emigration from Russia to Canada from the earnings of his 1898 Nobel prize. These emigrants were Doukhobors who were pacifists.
The irony.
https://doukhobor.org/tolstoy-and-the-doukhobors-main-stages-of-relations-in-the-late-19th-early-20th-century/

Posted by: canuck | Sep 20 2023 12:59 utc | 397

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 2:01 utc | 129
“Edmonton, Alberta, and surrounding regions have a lot of Ukrainians who moved there as far back as a century ago. There is even an Ukrainian village commemorating their living conditions.”
Many of these Ukes have Leo Tolstoy to thanks as he financed their emigration from Russia to Canada from the earnings of his 1898 Nobel prize. These emigrants were Doukhobors who were pacifists.
The irony.
https://doukhobor.org/tolstoy-and-the-doukhobors-main-stages-of-relations-in-the-late-19th-early-20th-century/

Posted by: canuck | Sep 20 2023 12:59 utc | 398

Hah!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/sep/20/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-olena-zelenska-child-abductions-moscow-drone-attacks-belgorod-oryol?page=with:block-650ae0b58f08e0d52b6775fb#block-650ae0b58f08e0d52b6775fb
Poland’s prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki on Wednesday cautioned that the EU member would ban additional Ukrainian imports if Kyiv were to escalate their conflict over a grain embargo, AFP reports. He issued the warning after Ukrainian deputy trade minister Taras Kachka told Poland’s Rzeczpospolita daily that his country would introduce a ban on Polish produce in the coming days.
Morawiecki told Polsat News television: “I am warning Ukraine’s authorities. Because if they are to escalate the conflict like that, we will add additional products to the ban on imports into Poland.”
Kyiv on Monday said it had filed lawsuits at the World Trade Organisation (WTO) against its three EU neighbours – Poland, Slovakia and Hungary – over their bans on Ukrainian grain imports. The Central European countries went against a decision by the European Commission last week to end the import ban.
Morawiecki said: “Ukrainian authorities do not understand the degree to which Poland’s farming industry has been destabilised. We are protecting Polish farmers.”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 20 2023 13:05 utc | 399

Hah!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/sep/20/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-olena-zelenska-child-abductions-moscow-drone-attacks-belgorod-oryol?page=with:block-650ae0b58f08e0d52b6775fb#block-650ae0b58f08e0d52b6775fb
Poland’s prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki on Wednesday cautioned that the EU member would ban additional Ukrainian imports if Kyiv were to escalate their conflict over a grain embargo, AFP reports. He issued the warning after Ukrainian deputy trade minister Taras Kachka told Poland’s Rzeczpospolita daily that his country would introduce a ban on Polish produce in the coming days.
Morawiecki told Polsat News television: “I am warning Ukraine’s authorities. Because if they are to escalate the conflict like that, we will add additional products to the ban on imports into Poland.”
Kyiv on Monday said it had filed lawsuits at the World Trade Organisation (WTO) against its three EU neighbours – Poland, Slovakia and Hungary – over their bans on Ukrainian grain imports. The Central European countries went against a decision by the European Commission last week to end the import ban.
Morawiecki said: “Ukrainian authorities do not understand the degree to which Poland’s farming industry has been destabilised. We are protecting Polish farmers.”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 20 2023 13:05 utc | 400