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September 19, 2023
New York Times Acknowledges Ukrainian Origin Of Deadly Strike

The New York Times is finally acknowledging that the September 6 deadly impact of a missile in the center of Kostiantynivka was caused by a Ukrainian missile:

Evidence Suggests Ukrainian Missile Caused Market Tragedy

One wonders what took them so long.

The Sept. 6 missile strike on Kostiantynivka in eastern Ukraine was one of the deadliest in the country in months, killing at least 15 civilians and injuring more than 30 others. The weapon’s payload of metal fragments struck a market, piercing windows and walls and wounding some victims beyond recognition.

Less than two hours later, President Volodymyr Zelensky blamed Russian “terrorists” for the attack, and many media outlets followed suit.

The New York Times was of course one of those media outlets that had spread Zelenski's lies:

The attack clouded Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken’s unannounced visit to Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital, the same day, one of the highest-level visits by a U.S. official to there since President Biden visited in February. Mr. Blinken met with President Volodymyr Zelensky, announced more than $1 billion in new U.S. aid for Ukraine and praised its people’s valor and resilience in the face of what he called Russia’s “horrific” aggression.

Just hours after the impact several bloggers has already found that the missile had come from the Ukrainian side. The next day the Conflict Intelligence Team (CIT) published a report about it:

On Sept. 6, a missile strike rocked Kostiantynivka, a town in the Donetsk region under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The missile hit a bustling city market at 2:04 p.m. local time, leaving 16 dead and 33 injured. Photos and videos of the aftermath of the strike have been circulated by various media outlets worldwide.

The videos showed evidence that the missile had come from the Ukrainian side. Ironically the main one had been published by Zelenski's office:

CCTV footage published on President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s official Telegram channel captured not only the moment of impact, but also the preceding few seconds when bystanders turn their heads, alerted by the sound of the incoming missile. Additionally, the missile’s reflection can be seen on the roofs of two parked cars in different frames of the video. Based on the geolocation of the video, and these reflections, we can say with a high degree of confidence that the missile flew in from the north-west.

The nearest Russian positions are located approximately 18–19 km east and southeast of Kostiantynivka, as to the northwest, the missile could only have been launched from Russian territory in the vicinity of Grayvoron in the Belgorod region at a distance of about 250 km. Since we consider such a scenario to be unlikely, it is reasonable to assume that it was an accidental Ukrainian missile strike.

This version is also indirectly supported by a report about missile launches from aircraft south of Druzhkivka posted at 2:01 p.m. by a pro-Russian Telegram channel, where locals loyal to Russia report on Ukrainian Air Force activity. Druzhkivka is located just northwest of Kostiantynivka.

The strike was assessed to have been by a U.S. AGM-88 anti radar missile:

Pro-Russian Telegram channels assume that it was an AGM-88 HARM missile. The AFU regularly uses such missiles in the Donetsk region—for example, yesterday we reported a hit by such a missile on a residential building in Donetsk. There were also other incidents near Horlivka; fragments of a HARM missile were found on Sept. 1 near Holmivskyi, 30 kilometers southeast of Kostiantynivka.

Currently, there are no photos of the missile debris, making it impossible to identify it. In the reflections seen in the video, no details of its construction can be discerned. Despite the existence of missiles capable of making turns in the air (e.g., the 9K720 Iskander mobile short-range ballistic missile), in this case, there are far more direct and indirect pieces of evidence in favor of an accidental strike by an AGM-88 HARM missile.

The New York Times report disagrees with this missile assessment:

But evidence collected and analyzed by The New York Times, including missile fragments, satellite imagery, witness accounts and social media posts, strongly suggests the catastrophic strike was the result of an errant Ukrainian air defense missile fired by a Buk launch system.

Further evidence reveals that minutes before the strike, the Ukrainian military launched two surface-to-air missiles toward the Russian front line from the town of Druzhkivka, 10 miles northwest of Kostiantynivka.

Reporters with The Times were in Druzhkivka when they heard an outgoing missile launch at 2 p.m., followed a few minutes later by a second. By chance, one member of the team recorded the first launch in a voice message.

In the aftermath of the attack, Ukrainian authorities said Russian forces used a missile fired by an S-300 air defense system, which Russia has used both to intercept aircraft and strike targets on the ground. But an S-300 missile carries a different warhead from the one that exploded in Kostiantynivka.

The metal facades of buildings closest to the explosion were perforated with hundreds of square or rectangular holes, probably made by cube-like objects blown outward from the missile.

Measurements of the holes — and fragments found at the scene — are consistent in size and shape with one weapon in particular: the 9M38 missile, which is fired by the mobile Buk antiaircraft vehicle. Ukraine is known to use the Buk system, as is Russia.

Some of the holes are less than 10 millimeters in width, while others are slightly larger. The 9M38 contains two different sizes of solid-metal cubic fragments: eight millimeters and 13 millimeters across.

That impact damage evidence is less convincing than the Times makes it sound. It could have equally have come from a AGM-88 HARM missile:

The warhead section is designed to inflict sufficient damage on the target antenna and waveguide system to force an inoperative condition. It also ensures complete destruction of the HARM Missile guidance section. The AGM-88A, and AGM-88B warhead section contains 25,000 pre-formed steel fragments, an explosive charge, a fuze, and a fuze booster. The AGM-88C utilizes an improved warhead section containing 12,845 tungsten fragments and an improved explosive charge which provides greater overall lethality.

The fragmentation damage could have been caused by both types of weapons. The sound of the missile launch heard by the Times reporter could also have come from either type. But whatever type of missile it was we can be sure that it was launched by the Ukrainian side.

One question is not answered by The New York Times report. Why did it take twelve days to publish its report when it took only hours after the impact to find convincing evidence of a Ukrainian missile impact?

And why was this published the very day President Zelenski arrives in New York and shortly before he will meet President Biden in the White House?

Are the knives out to cut the liar to size?

Comments

“Are the knives out to cut the liar to size?”
bingo! Bernhard, bingo!!
the US is working now on a face saving way out, if you want to call it that.
or at least some in the administration are,
while others are looking to escalate the conflict even further, meaning the neo-con monsters like Blinken

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 19 2023 23:07 utc | 201

“Are the knives out to cut the liar to size?”
bingo! Bernhard, bingo!!
the US is working now on a face saving way out, if you want to call it that.
or at least some in the administration are,
while others are looking to escalate the conflict even further, meaning the neo-con monsters like Blinken

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 19 2023 23:07 utc | 202

Whew just listened to Blumenthal at the Ron Paul Institute. Talk about dystopian.

Posted by: Inki | Sep 19 2023 23:15 utc | 203

Whew just listened to Blumenthal at the Ron Paul Institute. Talk about dystopian.

Posted by: Inki | Sep 19 2023 23:15 utc | 204

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 22:54 utc | 99
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Long reply not to address …

Being sneaky in war is a compliment and my grand pappy served for the Canadian armed forces smashing those Nazi turds so watch your mouth fool
Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 19 2023 21:58 utc | 84

And here you are regularly posting in support of the “Nazi turds” of Ukraine/NATO. Funny how the world turns sometimes.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 23:19 utc | 205

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 22:54 utc | 99
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Long reply not to address …

Being sneaky in war is a compliment and my grand pappy served for the Canadian armed forces smashing those Nazi turds so watch your mouth fool
Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 19 2023 21:58 utc | 84

And here you are regularly posting in support of the “Nazi turds” of Ukraine/NATO. Funny how the world turns sometimes.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 23:19 utc | 206

Even Jihadi Julian Röpcke of Bild said the very day it happened that it was Ukranazistan that was responsible. If even one of the worst pro Ukranazi propagandists can tell that, it passes reason why it required so many days for Ukranazistan’s Western owners to admit it….unless the admission was deliberately timed for Elensky’s visit and meant to discredit him.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 19 2023 23:19 utc | 207

Even Jihadi Julian Röpcke of Bild said the very day it happened that it was Ukranazistan that was responsible. If even one of the worst pro Ukranazi propagandists can tell that, it passes reason why it required so many days for Ukranazistan’s Western owners to admit it….unless the admission was deliberately timed for Elensky’s visit and meant to discredit him.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 19 2023 23:19 utc | 208

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 19 2023 22:17 utc | 92
It is fair to assume that there will be consultations between neo-cons in US and Israeli establishment – and there is a game plan how to proceed. Putin plays it smart and Bibi talks to him frequently.

Posted by: fanto | Sep 19 2023 23:28 utc | 209

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 19 2023 22:17 utc | 92
It is fair to assume that there will be consultations between neo-cons in US and Israeli establishment – and there is a game plan how to proceed. Putin plays it smart and Bibi talks to him frequently.

Posted by: fanto | Sep 19 2023 23:28 utc | 210

Why is the OhCanada creature permitted to post here? Has absolutely nothing of value to contribute.

Posted by: Thurl | Sep 19 2023 23:30 utc | 211

Why is the OhCanada creature permitted to post here? Has absolutely nothing of value to contribute.

Posted by: Thurl | Sep 19 2023 23:30 utc | 212

Looks like a certain troll was fed so well at lunchtime — at least it was lunchtime in Canada — that he has enough leftovers for the next few days.
Maybe we can stop feeding him now.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 19 2023 23:36 utc | 213

Looks like a certain troll was fed so well at lunchtime — at least it was lunchtime in Canada — that he has enough leftovers for the next few days.
Maybe we can stop feeding him now.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 19 2023 23:36 utc | 214

Further details at UN: Zelensky and Duda meeting was canceled.
As Poland is the by far most important supporter and distributor of Nato wares to Ukraine, it pretty much means that they are finished. It’s really simple, they know Ukraine will now be on the defensive. Defensive is not what the US wants to keep arming.
Also in congress senator McCarthy was pretty much angrily barking at Zelensky for daring to show up begging for more money.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 0:15 utc | 215

Further details at UN: Zelensky and Duda meeting was canceled.
As Poland is the by far most important supporter and distributor of Nato wares to Ukraine, it pretty much means that they are finished. It’s really simple, they know Ukraine will now be on the defensive. Defensive is not what the US wants to keep arming.
Also in congress senator McCarthy was pretty much angrily barking at Zelensky for daring to show up begging for more money.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 0:15 utc | 216

As two moral and intellectual giants prepare to meet (we are of course talking of Joseph Biden and Volodymyr Zelensky) Patrick Lawrence prophesies their imminent demise
“… I take pleasure, not at all perverse, in watching Joesph R. Biden, Jr. and those around him panic as the bill comes due for all those years of conniving with Ukrainian crooks and as the unforgivable folly of the war he started is now everywhere understood, even among those who continue in public to pretend otherwise.
“It is not yet possible to discern just how our burbling president will go down, but go down he will. Of this we can now be certain. The time of comeuppance is near.
“My question as of last week is this: Is the Biden regime’s whatever-it-takes, as- long-as-it-takes commitment to the war tied to his escalating vulnerability to charges of corruption dating to his years as Barack Obama’s vice-president, when he carried the Ukraine portfolio? Does Biden have a personal interest in prolonging this war, to put this question another way?….
Later in the piece Lawrence has another question:
“..The follow-on question is very simple and very large. Does Zelensky have enough on Biden to get whatever he wants — the HIMARS rocket systems, the howitzers, the tanks and APCs, the F–16s, the scores of billions of dollars, much of which Biden’s people know full well is black-marketed or embezzled?
“It is time to ask this question, immense in its implications as it is…”
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/09/19/patrick-lawrence-the-question-about-biden/
re OC@99
The original question was very silly. Answering made taking candies from a baby look like The Great Train Robbery. Let’s leave it there- there is no shame in kindness.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 20 2023 0:21 utc | 217

As two moral and intellectual giants prepare to meet (we are of course talking of Joseph Biden and Volodymyr Zelensky) Patrick Lawrence prophesies their imminent demise
“… I take pleasure, not at all perverse, in watching Joesph R. Biden, Jr. and those around him panic as the bill comes due for all those years of conniving with Ukrainian crooks and as the unforgivable folly of the war he started is now everywhere understood, even among those who continue in public to pretend otherwise.
“It is not yet possible to discern just how our burbling president will go down, but go down he will. Of this we can now be certain. The time of comeuppance is near.
“My question as of last week is this: Is the Biden regime’s whatever-it-takes, as- long-as-it-takes commitment to the war tied to his escalating vulnerability to charges of corruption dating to his years as Barack Obama’s vice-president, when he carried the Ukraine portfolio? Does Biden have a personal interest in prolonging this war, to put this question another way?….
Later in the piece Lawrence has another question:
“..The follow-on question is very simple and very large. Does Zelensky have enough on Biden to get whatever he wants — the HIMARS rocket systems, the howitzers, the tanks and APCs, the F–16s, the scores of billions of dollars, much of which Biden’s people know full well is black-marketed or embezzled?
“It is time to ask this question, immense in its implications as it is…”
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/09/19/patrick-lawrence-the-question-about-biden/
re OC@99
The original question was very silly. Answering made taking candies from a baby look like The Great Train Robbery. Let’s leave it there- there is no shame in kindness.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 20 2023 0:21 utc | 218

Aleph_Null@92
Deepest apologies. I missed your post which makes mine, above, redundant.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 20 2023 0:25 utc | 219

Aleph_Null@92
Deepest apologies. I missed your post which makes mine, above, redundant.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 20 2023 0:25 utc | 220

Complex and competing motives:
1) Zelensky false flag to add a bang to Blinken visit
2) Biden/Blinken dropped a well timed dime on Zelensky, a brick in building the exit ramp
3) NYT needs to manufacture a Claude Rains “shocked” we’ve been lied to all along by Zelensky to salvage the little that’s left of their credibility. This motive harmonizes tight Biden/Blinken’s exit ramp.

Posted by: bill wolfe | Sep 20 2023 0:30 utc | 221

Complex and competing motives:
1) Zelensky false flag to add a bang to Blinken visit
2) Biden/Blinken dropped a well timed dime on Zelensky, a brick in building the exit ramp
3) NYT needs to manufacture a Claude Rains “shocked” we’ve been lied to all along by Zelensky to salvage the little that’s left of their credibility. This motive harmonizes tight Biden/Blinken’s exit ramp.

Posted by: bill wolfe | Sep 20 2023 0:30 utc | 222

Being sneaky in war is a compliment and my grand pappy served for the Canadian armed forces smashing those Nazi turds so watch your mouth fool
Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 19 2023 21:58 utc | 84
A lie. The Soviets smashed the Nazis who were mostly on the eastern front. The yankees and other westerners came when the the cleaning was mostly done and fighted remnants of the Wehrmacht. And now you are supporting the nazis. Today you buried your grand-father a second time.

Posted by: Patience | Sep 20 2023 0:40 utc | 223

Being sneaky in war is a compliment and my grand pappy served for the Canadian armed forces smashing those Nazi turds so watch your mouth fool
Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 19 2023 21:58 utc | 84
A lie. The Soviets smashed the Nazis who were mostly on the eastern front. The yankees and other westerners came when the the cleaning was mostly done and fighted remnants of the Wehrmacht. And now you are supporting the nazis. Today you buried your grand-father a second time.

Posted by: Patience | Sep 20 2023 0:40 utc | 224

@ waynorinorway | Sep 19 2023 16:01 utc | 23
thanks! yes, i read it back then too, but have kept it in mind still after all these years!

Posted by: james | Sep 20 2023 0:45 utc | 225

@ waynorinorway | Sep 19 2023 16:01 utc | 23
thanks! yes, i read it back then too, but have kept it in mind still after all these years!

Posted by: james | Sep 20 2023 0:45 utc | 226

Salaam.Thanks b,you read the tea leaves right.So too a few insightful regulars at this here joint.Now to wager on “novichok,window fall,tree crash by car,airplane crash a la MH17, Epsteinicide or overdose? I got a £10.00 on overdose! Gotta go z!

Posted by: 4q8 | Sep 20 2023 0:55 utc | 227

Salaam.Thanks b,you read the tea leaves right.So too a few insightful regulars at this here joint.Now to wager on “novichok,window fall,tree crash by car,airplane crash a la MH17, Epsteinicide or overdose? I got a £10.00 on overdose! Gotta go z!

Posted by: 4q8 | Sep 20 2023 0:55 utc | 228

Why is the OhCanada creature permitted to post here? Has absolutely nothing of value to contribute.
Posted by: Thurl | Sep 19 2023 23:30 utc | 108
So true. I had to stop for a second when I read its post about Russia blowing up its own pipeline. Anyone suggesting this absurdity at the bar has to be a paid agent.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 0:55 utc | 229

Why is the OhCanada creature permitted to post here? Has absolutely nothing of value to contribute.
Posted by: Thurl | Sep 19 2023 23:30 utc | 108
So true. I had to stop for a second when I read its post about Russia blowing up its own pipeline. Anyone suggesting this absurdity at the bar has to be a paid agent.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 0:55 utc | 230

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 22:54 utc | 99
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Long reply not to address …
Being sneaky in war is a compliment and my grand pappy served for the Canadian armed forces smashing those Nazi turds so watch your mouth fool
Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 19 2023 21:58 utc | 84
And here you are regularly posting in support of the “Nazi turds” of Ukraine/NATO. Funny how the world turns sometimes.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 23:19 utc | 105
This is why I grudgingly like Love. Whip that troll!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 0:58 utc | 231

“It is reasonable to assume that it was an accidental Ukrainian missile strike.”
BS

Posted by: oracle | Sep 20 2023 0:58 utc | 232

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 22:54 utc | 99
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Long reply not to address …
Being sneaky in war is a compliment and my grand pappy served for the Canadian armed forces smashing those Nazi turds so watch your mouth fool
Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 19 2023 21:58 utc | 84
And here you are regularly posting in support of the “Nazi turds” of Ukraine/NATO. Funny how the world turns sometimes.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 23:19 utc | 105
This is why I grudgingly like Love. Whip that troll!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 0:58 utc | 233

“It is reasonable to assume that it was an accidental Ukrainian missile strike.”
BS

Posted by: oracle | Sep 20 2023 0:58 utc | 234

Being sneaky in war is a compliment and my grand pappy served for the Canadian armed forces smashing those Nazi turds so watch your mouth fool
Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 19 2023 21:58 utc | 84
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Your grand pappy is rolling in his grave you NAZI as kisser. And NO, Biden and Putin do not share an equal responsibility for the US/NATO proxy war in Ukraine against Russia.
If I bring a gang of heavily armed killers to surround your home and family and you respond by saying not one inch closer, or I will defend myself and my family. But I move my killers closer anyway and you respond by firing weapons at the armed killers, who is the fucking aggressor Oh fucking Canada? Are you really that stupid?

Posted by: Ed | Sep 20 2023 1:24 utc | 235

Being sneaky in war is a compliment and my grand pappy served for the Canadian armed forces smashing those Nazi turds so watch your mouth fool
Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 19 2023 21:58 utc | 84
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Your grand pappy is rolling in his grave you NAZI as kisser. And NO, Biden and Putin do not share an equal responsibility for the US/NATO proxy war in Ukraine against Russia.
If I bring a gang of heavily armed killers to surround your home and family and you respond by saying not one inch closer, or I will defend myself and my family. But I move my killers closer anyway and you respond by firing weapons at the armed killers, who is the fucking aggressor Oh fucking Canada? Are you really that stupid?

Posted by: Ed | Sep 20 2023 1:24 utc | 236

So you all think Russia wanted Germany and the EU running as an industrial super power give them dirt cheap heat-fuel and hand them a massive advantage for global output until the big mean USA came in and saved them from being so foolish?
Ya I’m not sure about that

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 20 2023 1:25 utc | 237

So you all think Russia wanted Germany and the EU running as an industrial super power give them dirt cheap heat-fuel and hand them a massive advantage for global output until the big mean USA came in and saved them from being so foolish?
Ya I’m not sure about that

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 20 2023 1:25 utc | 238

robjira 60
I couldn’t find anything on AlJazeera that hinted at de-escalation by Nato in Ukraine. The Muslim Brotherhood was founded by the Brits after they’d destroyed the Caliphate in 1918 and the Brits’ expertise in war by deception is the current Cauliflate, directing the Muslims to fight as proxies for USUKIS and creating much religious methane in the process .
Nothing that Al Jazeera puts out would ever be anything but USUKIS proper gandalf, but written with a Muslim slant.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 20 2023 1:27 utc | 239

robjira 60
I couldn’t find anything on AlJazeera that hinted at de-escalation by Nato in Ukraine. The Muslim Brotherhood was founded by the Brits after they’d destroyed the Caliphate in 1918 and the Brits’ expertise in war by deception is the current Cauliflate, directing the Muslims to fight as proxies for USUKIS and creating much religious methane in the process .
Nothing that Al Jazeera puts out would ever be anything but USUKIS proper gandalf, but written with a Muslim slant.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 20 2023 1:27 utc | 240

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 20 2023 1:25 utc | 121
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If I were you, I would be embarrassed to post at MoA again.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 20 2023 1:28 utc | 241

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 20 2023 1:25 utc | 121
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If I were you, I would be embarrassed to post at MoA again.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 20 2023 1:28 utc | 242

as a canuck, i think oohcanada is giving us canucks a bad rap, lol.. isn’t trudeau enough to endure?

Posted by: james | Sep 20 2023 1:30 utc | 243

as a canuck, i think oohcanada is giving us canucks a bad rap, lol.. isn’t trudeau enough to endure?

Posted by: james | Sep 20 2023 1:30 utc | 244

“The game will certainly go on, but the end point out in the future is no longer decades. At the current pace it could be 10 years. Just a blink of the eye.”
Posted by: danf51 | Sep 19 2023 23:03 utc | 102
I agree.
Hard to see how it’s going to play out atm.
Heck, we all could be being played.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 20 2023 1:33 utc | 245

“The game will certainly go on, but the end point out in the future is no longer decades. At the current pace it could be 10 years. Just a blink of the eye.”
Posted by: danf51 | Sep 19 2023 23:03 utc | 102
I agree.
Hard to see how it’s going to play out atm.
Heck, we all could be being played.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 20 2023 1:33 utc | 246

Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2023 23:00 utc | 101–
Thanks for your reply. Given how much the figures are jiggled, one must assume even those reported figures understate reality. The ratio is $1 in assets to $8.5 in negative equity, or overall assets/debt ratio of 1:9. Think we could get a loan for something essential like a house with that ratio? It’s almost like the SMO casualty ratio, although IMO it’s much steeper than 1:9 Russian/Ukrainian; 1:15 perhaps when prisoners are included?

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 20 2023 1:40 utc | 247

Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2023 23:00 utc | 101–
Thanks for your reply. Given how much the figures are jiggled, one must assume even those reported figures understate reality. The ratio is $1 in assets to $8.5 in negative equity, or overall assets/debt ratio of 1:9. Think we could get a loan for something essential like a house with that ratio? It’s almost like the SMO casualty ratio, although IMO it’s much steeper than 1:9 Russian/Ukrainian; 1:15 perhaps when prisoners are included?

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 20 2023 1:40 utc | 248

Remember the missile strike on Kramatorsk last year, which was immediately blamed on Russia, but an Italian media crew accessed the missile wreckage and found the serial number….which had been deliberately blurred in BBC and other reportage…and guess what, not only is that particular model no longer used by Russia but that individual serial number belonged to Ukraine.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 20 2023 1:54 utc | 249

Remember the missile strike on Kramatorsk last year, which was immediately blamed on Russia, but an Italian media crew accessed the missile wreckage and found the serial number….which had been deliberately blurred in BBC and other reportage…and guess what, not only is that particular model no longer used by Russia but that individual serial number belonged to Ukraine.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 20 2023 1:54 utc | 250

“Who am I kidding. It would take an alien invasion to forge unity.”
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2023 20:49 utc | 73
I’m getting so jaded on “governances”, the even an alien invasion would see a dog eat dog response.
The thing is, that’s not how I see humanity. We “talk” to people from all over the world here and elsewhere, and get along and get informed, heck, even educated here. But I swear, we have the most divisive & useless governances.
Guess just saying globally, most people are alright. But the maniacs seem to rise to the top and become rulers. And the worst of humanity is all you hear about or that co-rules.
I just don’t get it.
Anyways, thx Doc. Got side tracked there. It’s war fatigue for sure.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 20 2023 1:54 utc | 251

“Who am I kidding. It would take an alien invasion to forge unity.”
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2023 20:49 utc | 73
I’m getting so jaded on “governances”, the even an alien invasion would see a dog eat dog response.
The thing is, that’s not how I see humanity. We “talk” to people from all over the world here and elsewhere, and get along and get informed, heck, even educated here. But I swear, we have the most divisive & useless governances.
Guess just saying globally, most people are alright. But the maniacs seem to rise to the top and become rulers. And the worst of humanity is all you hear about or that co-rules.
I just don’t get it.
Anyways, thx Doc. Got side tracked there. It’s war fatigue for sure.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 20 2023 1:54 utc | 252

Russia and the US started the war, this is a merchant war
Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 22:54 utc | 99
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Edmonton, Alberta, and surrounding regions have a lot of Ukrainians who moved there as far back as a century ago. There is even an Ukrainian village commemorting their living conditions.
Some descendants might not line up well with the conservative government of Alberta.
OohCanada might originate from or align with those regions offering us slings and arrows, all best to be ignored.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 2:01 utc | 253

Russia and the US started the war, this is a merchant war
Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 22:54 utc | 99
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Edmonton, Alberta, and surrounding regions have a lot of Ukrainians who moved there as far back as a century ago. There is even an Ukrainian village commemorting their living conditions.
Some descendants might not line up well with the conservative government of Alberta.
OohCanada might originate from or align with those regions offering us slings and arrows, all best to be ignored.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 2:01 utc | 254

The Liturgy of Lies has been updated with a further 6 including this one, bringing the total to 206:
https://vk.com/@818593619-the-liturgy-of-lies
The latest delta:

201. Putin is an anti-semite!
202. Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine. (Note: September 5, The UN International Commission of Inquiry on Violations in Ukraine did not find sufficient evidence that the actions of the Russian military in the country should be qualified as genocide. So stated its head Erik Møse.)
203. There were no casualties in the first Challenger 2 destruction on the Ukraine battlefield in September 2023 (all the occupants escaped with nary a scratch or a broken nail or broken heel)
204. Russia killed 17 people (or 18 depending on which news agency) in a missile bombing at Konstantinovka market street (This is why AP had to sensor the sound and indications of missile approach from the video – just in case people wrongly suspect the AFU … right?).
205. Russian Drones Struck Romania (September 2023) – Release Article 5!
206. Russian Drones Struck Bulgaria (September 2024) – Release Article 5!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 20 2023 2:08 utc | 255

The Liturgy of Lies has been updated with a further 6 including this one, bringing the total to 206:
https://vk.com/@818593619-the-liturgy-of-lies
The latest delta:

201. Putin is an anti-semite!
202. Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine. (Note: September 5, The UN International Commission of Inquiry on Violations in Ukraine did not find sufficient evidence that the actions of the Russian military in the country should be qualified as genocide. So stated its head Erik Møse.)
203. There were no casualties in the first Challenger 2 destruction on the Ukraine battlefield in September 2023 (all the occupants escaped with nary a scratch or a broken nail or broken heel)
204. Russia killed 17 people (or 18 depending on which news agency) in a missile bombing at Konstantinovka market street (This is why AP had to sensor the sound and indications of missile approach from the video – just in case people wrongly suspect the AFU … right?).
205. Russian Drones Struck Romania (September 2023) – Release Article 5!
206. Russian Drones Struck Bulgaria (September 2024) – Release Article 5!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 20 2023 2:08 utc | 256

Ugh. typo:
206. Russian Drones Struck Bulgaria (September 2023) – Release Article 5!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 20 2023 2:09 utc | 257

Ugh. typo:
206. Russian Drones Struck Bulgaria (September 2023) – Release Article 5!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 20 2023 2:09 utc | 258

Being sneaky in war is a compliment and my grand pappy served for the Canadian armed forces smashing those Nazi turds so watch your mouth fool
Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 19 2023 21:58 utc | 84
Freeland. Those “Nazi turds” run your country, you creepy little dwarf. You’re grand pappy would be ashamed to see you doing their propaganda work.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 2:10 utc | 259

Being sneaky in war is a compliment and my grand pappy served for the Canadian armed forces smashing those Nazi turds so watch your mouth fool
Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 19 2023 21:58 utc | 84
Freeland. Those “Nazi turds” run your country, you creepy little dwarf. You’re grand pappy would be ashamed to see you doing their propaganda work.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 2:10 utc | 260

LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 15:27 utc | 3
*** What would happen if we had a video of Joe Biden eating a live baby and laughing about it? Wouldn’t he exceed his previous vote record anyway?***
The Guardian — which already has a peculiar obsession with cannibalism — would of course rush to publish the recipe.
and reassure readers it was the liberal/wokist done thing nowadays

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 20 2023 2:23 utc | 261

LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 15:27 utc | 3
*** What would happen if we had a video of Joe Biden eating a live baby and laughing about it? Wouldn’t he exceed his previous vote record anyway?***
The Guardian — which already has a peculiar obsession with cannibalism — would of course rush to publish the recipe.
and reassure readers it was the liberal/wokist done thing nowadays

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 20 2023 2:23 utc | 262

As a canuck, i think oohcanada is giving us canucks a bad rap, lol.. isn’t Trudeau enough to endure?
Posted by: james | Sep 20 2023 1:30 utc | 124
It should be “OOH! CANADA!” we fucked it up…lmao. He sure is a persistent Liberal poster…are you sure it’s not Cas-trodough?

Posted by: Arcticman | Sep 20 2023 2:41 utc | 263

As a canuck, i think oohcanada is giving us canucks a bad rap, lol.. isn’t Trudeau enough to endure?
Posted by: james | Sep 20 2023 1:30 utc | 124
It should be “OOH! CANADA!” we fucked it up…lmao. He sure is a persistent Liberal poster…are you sure it’s not Cas-trodough?

Posted by: Arcticman | Sep 20 2023 2:41 utc | 264

NYT won’t or can’t acknowledge, or even consider the possibility that it was a false flag attack, which everyone can see that it was. False-flag nation. Putin correctly called it “Empire of Lies”.

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 20 2023 3:58 utc | 265

NYT won’t or can’t acknowledge, or even consider the possibility that it was a false flag attack, which everyone can see that it was. False-flag nation. Putin correctly called it “Empire of Lies”.

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 20 2023 3:58 utc | 266

karlof1 | Sep 20 2023 1:40 utc | 126–
To add heft to my SMO casualty ratio claim, we have Pepe Escobar’s latest, “The Ukrainian Morale in the Battlefield: A Snapshot”, wherein he provides some very curious documentation showing much heavier loses and desertions/refusals which add a special toll to those left remaining. And yet they continue to attack instead of going over to an active defense. And what will happen when the rains of Fall begin?

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 20 2023 4:01 utc | 267

karlof1 | Sep 20 2023 1:40 utc | 126–
To add heft to my SMO casualty ratio claim, we have Pepe Escobar’s latest, “The Ukrainian Morale in the Battlefield: A Snapshot”, wherein he provides some very curious documentation showing much heavier loses and desertions/refusals which add a special toll to those left remaining. And yet they continue to attack instead of going over to an active defense. And what will happen when the rains of Fall begin?

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 20 2023 4:01 utc | 268

Don’t count on the autumn rains or the winter weather to make war predictions. There could be a drought. Monthly weather in Ukraine isn’t any more predictable than it is in the US.

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 20 2023 4:06 utc | 269

Don’t count on the autumn rains or the winter weather to make war predictions. There could be a drought. Monthly weather in Ukraine isn’t any more predictable than it is in the US.

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 20 2023 4:06 utc | 270

Don’t count on the autumn rains or the winter weather to make war predictions. There could be a drought. Monthly weather in Ukraine isn’t any more predictable than it is in the US.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 20 2023 4:06 utc | 137
Rain or shine they’re getting slaughtered.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 4:18 utc | 271

Don’t count on the autumn rains or the winter weather to make war predictions. There could be a drought. Monthly weather in Ukraine isn’t any more predictable than it is in the US.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 20 2023 4:06 utc | 137
Rain or shine they’re getting slaughtered.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 4:18 utc | 272

And yet they continue to attack instead of going over to an active defense.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 20 2023 4:01 utc | 136
——————————————————-
Who has insight in the Ukie military decision-making? Does it all originate with C for Chutzpah Zelensky?
Just like the US neocons, there has to be a clique and maybe also a claque. Z, now grandstanding at the UN, has been found wanting by the US for not putting points on the board. Mr. Chutzpah is escalating verbally, perhaps knowing that the US, i.e. Blinken et. al., are moving on, NYT being the first tell, looking for an audience. He was popular before, although failing to obtain Queen Elizabeth and Papal approval.
Is there that much self deception in Hitler’s bunker? The mind wanders and wonders.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 4:23 utc | 273

And yet they continue to attack instead of going over to an active defense.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 20 2023 4:01 utc | 136
——————————————————-
Who has insight in the Ukie military decision-making? Does it all originate with C for Chutzpah Zelensky?
Just like the US neocons, there has to be a clique and maybe also a claque. Z, now grandstanding at the UN, has been found wanting by the US for not putting points on the board. Mr. Chutzpah is escalating verbally, perhaps knowing that the US, i.e. Blinken et. al., are moving on, NYT being the first tell, looking for an audience. He was popular before, although failing to obtain Queen Elizabeth and Papal approval.
Is there that much self deception in Hitler’s bunker? The mind wanders and wonders.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 4:23 utc | 274

Timing is everything and Elensky is going under the bus.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 19 2023 15:34 utc | 7
He’s definitely due to go under the bus, but I can’t see them putting him under it until they’ve got someone to replace him with.
Of course that will already have been decided, and there may be two or three candidates depending on which way they now want this to go.

Posted by: PalmaSailor | Sep 20 2023 4:33 utc | 275

Timing is everything and Elensky is going under the bus.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 19 2023 15:34 utc | 7
He’s definitely due to go under the bus, but I can’t see them putting him under it until they’ve got someone to replace him with.
Of course that will already have been decided, and there may be two or three candidates depending on which way they now want this to go.

Posted by: PalmaSailor | Sep 20 2023 4:33 utc | 276

“Rain or shine they’re getting slaughtered.”
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 4:18 utc | 138
One should never be overconfident like that. Underestimating one’s enemies abilities isn’t a good idea, ever.

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 20 2023 4:33 utc | 277

“Rain or shine they’re getting slaughtered.”
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 4:18 utc | 138
One should never be overconfident like that. Underestimating one’s enemies abilities isn’t a good idea, ever.

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 20 2023 4:33 utc | 278

The game will certainly go on, but the end point out in the future is no longer decades. At the current pace it could be 10 years. Just a blink of the eye.
Posted by: danf51 | Sep 19 2023 23:03 utc | 102
I think it could happen a lot faster than that. The US have only supported the ‘Mericun dream by basically exporting poverty.
If the resource rich nations got the opportunity to flip the script then it’s over.
I think they do now have that opportunity and they’re taking it.
The whole shabang could do a Lehman…
This is uncharted territory.

Posted by: PalmaSailor | Sep 20 2023 4:41 utc | 279

The game will certainly go on, but the end point out in the future is no longer decades. At the current pace it could be 10 years. Just a blink of the eye.
Posted by: danf51 | Sep 19 2023 23:03 utc | 102
I think it could happen a lot faster than that. The US have only supported the ‘Mericun dream by basically exporting poverty.
If the resource rich nations got the opportunity to flip the script then it’s over.
I think they do now have that opportunity and they’re taking it.
The whole shabang could do a Lehman…
This is uncharted territory.

Posted by: PalmaSailor | Sep 20 2023 4:41 utc | 280

Lawrow: “The USA are waging war against us”
excerpts translated from anti-spiegel.ru (Sep 19 2023):

A recent statement by Russian Foreign Minister Lawrow shows that the Russian government actually sees itself at war with the West. A Russian journalist asked Lawrow about the statements from the USA that they could soon
deliver ATACMS missiles with a range of 300 kilometers to Kiew.
Lawrow’s answer was:
“I am not in a position to comment on their explanations, they [US] have ‘seven Fridays a week’ [means unpredictable]. Perhaps they are preparing public opinion for this. But it is a fact that this does not change the essence of the situation. But what is happening is that Ukraine has been prepared for years to fight with its hands and its body to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia. No matter what they [US] say, they control this war, they supply weapons, ammunition, intelligence information, satellite data – they are waging war against us.”
https://t.me/zarubinreporter/1318
.. In addition, NATO generals are openly involved in the planning and operational control of combat operations against Russia. What government would not consider countries that behave like this to be a party to war?
.. The question is when European politicians, who still fantasize that their countries are not at war with
Russia, will realize the realities and avert an impending major war in Europe.
.. The question arises as to what their [EU] instinct for self-preservation is like when they have effectively become a warring party against the largest nuclear power in the world.
.. Kiew is attacking Russian territory more and more openly and the question is when Russia will respond with a strike against those who supply the weapons for it.
.. After all, Western governments know that Kiev also uses their weapons for attacks against Russian territory. This is already shown by the official language, which states that ‘no one’ supports attacks on Russian territory, but that Kiev ultimately has to decide for itself ‘how to use the weapons’.
.. Someone should explain to the dream dancers who are allowed to play governments in Europe that they are actually risking nuclear war. They [EU] are welcome to think Russia is evil, but that should not be a reason to want ending its own existence. To keep provoking Russia and rely on Putin’s patience to last forever …?

So, the facts quoted above must be urgently addressed to v.d.Liar, Macron, Scholz, B-Bock, Kuleba, Stoltenberg etc. – and of course to the Nuland/Hillary Fan Club.

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 20 2023 4:51 utc | 281

Lawrow: “The USA are waging war against us”
excerpts translated from anti-spiegel.ru (Sep 19 2023):

A recent statement by Russian Foreign Minister Lawrow shows that the Russian government actually sees itself at war with the West. A Russian journalist asked Lawrow about the statements from the USA that they could soon
deliver ATACMS missiles with a range of 300 kilometers to Kiew.
Lawrow’s answer was:
“I am not in a position to comment on their explanations, they [US] have ‘seven Fridays a week’ [means unpredictable]. Perhaps they are preparing public opinion for this. But it is a fact that this does not change the essence of the situation. But what is happening is that Ukraine has been prepared for years to fight with its hands and its body to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia. No matter what they [US] say, they control this war, they supply weapons, ammunition, intelligence information, satellite data – they are waging war against us.”
https://t.me/zarubinreporter/1318
.. In addition, NATO generals are openly involved in the planning and operational control of combat operations against Russia. What government would not consider countries that behave like this to be a party to war?
.. The question is when European politicians, who still fantasize that their countries are not at war with
Russia, will realize the realities and avert an impending major war in Europe.
.. The question arises as to what their [EU] instinct for self-preservation is like when they have effectively become a warring party against the largest nuclear power in the world.
.. Kiew is attacking Russian territory more and more openly and the question is when Russia will respond with a strike against those who supply the weapons for it.
.. After all, Western governments know that Kiev also uses their weapons for attacks against Russian territory. This is already shown by the official language, which states that ‘no one’ supports attacks on Russian territory, but that Kiev ultimately has to decide for itself ‘how to use the weapons’.
.. Someone should explain to the dream dancers who are allowed to play governments in Europe that they are actually risking nuclear war. They [EU] are welcome to think Russia is evil, but that should not be a reason to want ending its own existence. To keep provoking Russia and rely on Putin’s patience to last forever …?

So, the facts quoted above must be urgently addressed to v.d.Liar, Macron, Scholz, B-Bock, Kuleba, Stoltenberg etc. – and of course to the Nuland/Hillary Fan Club.

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 20 2023 4:51 utc | 282

🇷🇺🛸💥🇺🇦 An interesting video popped up on Telegram.
The first time a Lancet UAV was used to target Ukrainian aircraft. Looks like this one missed the Ukrainian MiG-29, but interesting nevertheless.
The thing is the airfield, Dolgynovka Airbase in Dnipropetrovsk Region, is pretty far back behind the line of contact.

https://t.me/geromanat/10289

On September 11, the Russians, using new kamikaze drones, damaged the MiG-29 and Su-25. Ukraine did not recognize this and the Russians released the video.
As indicated, the attack was on the Dolgintsevo airfield in the Krivoy Rog direction.
As we know, then Geraniums and Iskanders flew to this airfield.
As we see, the Russians are using a new loitering munition (kamikaze UAV) with improved characteristics. By the way, a reconnaissance UAV easily flew to the airfield, which no one was able to shoot down, which filmed the attack from a different angle.
We insided on July 26 that the Russians have developed a new and improved kamikaze drone. Possibly from the Geranium or Lancet series.
Back in April, we insided that with Lancets the Russian Armed Forces knocked out the first line of air defense defense from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
On October 16, 2022, our source reported that Western intelligence warned the Office of the President that the Russians are expanding their “air fleet” of UAVs, which will affect the military case not in favor of Ukraine.
At the same time, we were the first to insider many times that the Russian Federation is building new factories for the production of UAVs and pumping up developments. They called it the “age of the UAV.”
Bankovaya ignored all the inside information and continued to cut budgets on the UAV case. Now the same situation is in the electronic warfare/electronic warfare case.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16290

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 4:52 utc | 283

🇷🇺🛸💥🇺🇦 An interesting video popped up on Telegram.
The first time a Lancet UAV was used to target Ukrainian aircraft. Looks like this one missed the Ukrainian MiG-29, but interesting nevertheless.
The thing is the airfield, Dolgynovka Airbase in Dnipropetrovsk Region, is pretty far back behind the line of contact.

https://t.me/geromanat/10289

On September 11, the Russians, using new kamikaze drones, damaged the MiG-29 and Su-25. Ukraine did not recognize this and the Russians released the video.
As indicated, the attack was on the Dolgintsevo airfield in the Krivoy Rog direction.
As we know, then Geraniums and Iskanders flew to this airfield.
As we see, the Russians are using a new loitering munition (kamikaze UAV) with improved characteristics. By the way, a reconnaissance UAV easily flew to the airfield, which no one was able to shoot down, which filmed the attack from a different angle.
We insided on July 26 that the Russians have developed a new and improved kamikaze drone. Possibly from the Geranium or Lancet series.
Back in April, we insided that with Lancets the Russian Armed Forces knocked out the first line of air defense defense from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
On October 16, 2022, our source reported that Western intelligence warned the Office of the President that the Russians are expanding their “air fleet” of UAVs, which will affect the military case not in favor of Ukraine.
At the same time, we were the first to insider many times that the Russian Federation is building new factories for the production of UAVs and pumping up developments. They called it the “age of the UAV.”
Bankovaya ignored all the inside information and continued to cut budgets on the UAV case. Now the same situation is in the electronic warfare/electronic warfare case.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16290

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 4:52 utc | 284

The US have only supported the ‘Mericun dream by basically exporting poverty.
Posted by: PalmaSailor | Sep 20 2023 4:41 utc | 142
Nahh. I call bullshit on that. The US oligharchs (we call them “billionaires” here instead of oligharchs) now import poverty, literally. Cheaper labor.

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 20 2023 4:53 utc | 285

The US have only supported the ‘Mericun dream by basically exporting poverty.
Posted by: PalmaSailor | Sep 20 2023 4:41 utc | 142
Nahh. I call bullshit on that. The US oligharchs (we call them “billionaires” here instead of oligharchs) now import poverty, literally. Cheaper labor.

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 20 2023 4:53 utc | 286

Zelensky may abandon the idea of ​​suing European countries that refuse to open their markets to Ukrainian grain.
At the same time, the Poles warned behind the scenes that such a step by Zelensky would affect Warsaw’s support for Kyiv. This will include slowing down the repair and logistics of weapons that are being repaired and arriving in Poland.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16216

Polish President Duda decided not to wait for a personal meeting with Zelensky and issued a counter public threat that almost all military logistics were built through Warsaw, this should not be forgotten.
He made the corresponding statement/hint at a briefing after his speech at the 78th session of the UN General Assembly.
By the way, we insided about this, pointing out that Ze may refuse to sue the Poles, since they threaten to “slow down” everything on the military track. But Zelensky decided to raise the stakes before the negotiations, and Duda publicly responded to him. Let’s see who will bend whom in the end.
But Zelensky understands that he is now in a weak position, but is publicly bluffing, since the offensive has stalled, and elections are possible soon and he needs to raise his rating.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16291

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 4:55 utc | 287

Zelensky may abandon the idea of ​​suing European countries that refuse to open their markets to Ukrainian grain.
At the same time, the Poles warned behind the scenes that such a step by Zelensky would affect Warsaw’s support for Kyiv. This will include slowing down the repair and logistics of weapons that are being repaired and arriving in Poland.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16216

Polish President Duda decided not to wait for a personal meeting with Zelensky and issued a counter public threat that almost all military logistics were built through Warsaw, this should not be forgotten.
He made the corresponding statement/hint at a briefing after his speech at the 78th session of the UN General Assembly.
By the way, we insided about this, pointing out that Ze may refuse to sue the Poles, since they threaten to “slow down” everything on the military track. But Zelensky decided to raise the stakes before the negotiations, and Duda publicly responded to him. Let’s see who will bend whom in the end.
But Zelensky understands that he is now in a weak position, but is publicly bluffing, since the offensive has stalled, and elections are possible soon and he needs to raise his rating.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16291

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 4:55 utc | 288

So I went to the UN…
Zelensky and Duda are all.
Poland is no longer Ukraine’s lawyer and the “brothers” are over.
Zelensky decided to bend the Polyakov, but received a response.
Duda canceled the meeting. Then he called Ukraine a “drowned man” who could be dragged into the depths.”
As reported by PAP, the Polish President compared Ukraine to a drowned man, explaining that “everyone who has ever participated in rescuing a drowned man knows that he is incredibly dangerous, that he can drag himself into the depths.”
“It’s a bit like the situation between Poland and Ukraine. Ukraine is under Russian attack, no doubt in a very difficult situation, grasping at everything it can. Is it possible to be offended by her? Of course, you can be indignant,” says Duda.
“Do we need to act in such a way as to protect ourselves from being harmed by a drowning man? Of course, we must act in such a way as to protect ourselves from being harmed by the drowned man, because if the drowned man does harm and drowns us, then he will not receive help. Therefore, we must look after our interests, and we will do this effectively and decisively,” he said.
So Ukraine is drowned?
It seems Duda simply paraphrased our message that Zelensky chose the path of a kamikaze country for Ukraine. The Poles don’t really want to suffer from the “fool with a grenade.”

https://t.me/legitimniy/16293

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 4:58 utc | 289

So I went to the UN…
Zelensky and Duda are all.
Poland is no longer Ukraine’s lawyer and the “brothers” are over.
Zelensky decided to bend the Polyakov, but received a response.
Duda canceled the meeting. Then he called Ukraine a “drowned man” who could be dragged into the depths.”
As reported by PAP, the Polish President compared Ukraine to a drowned man, explaining that “everyone who has ever participated in rescuing a drowned man knows that he is incredibly dangerous, that he can drag himself into the depths.”
“It’s a bit like the situation between Poland and Ukraine. Ukraine is under Russian attack, no doubt in a very difficult situation, grasping at everything it can. Is it possible to be offended by her? Of course, you can be indignant,” says Duda.
“Do we need to act in such a way as to protect ourselves from being harmed by a drowning man? Of course, we must act in such a way as to protect ourselves from being harmed by the drowned man, because if the drowned man does harm and drowns us, then he will not receive help. Therefore, we must look after our interests, and we will do this effectively and decisively,” he said.
So Ukraine is drowned?
It seems Duda simply paraphrased our message that Zelensky chose the path of a kamikaze country for Ukraine. The Poles don’t really want to suffer from the “fool with a grenade.”

https://t.me/legitimniy/16293

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 4:58 utc | 290

British intelligence warned that Russia had developed new Lancets. Today a video appeared of the destruction of a Ukrainian plane at an airfield near Kirovograd.
From the front line to the point of impact – 73 kilometers. The destruction process in the deep rear is being filmed by another UAV.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19733

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 4:59 utc | 291

British intelligence warned that Russia had developed new Lancets. Today a video appeared of the destruction of a Ukrainian plane at an airfield near Kirovograd.
From the front line to the point of impact – 73 kilometers. The destruction process in the deep rear is being filmed by another UAV.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19733

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 4:59 utc | 292

A bad signal for the Office of the President from Poland, if we are compared to the drowned man Duda, then what do others think?
Bankova began to lose the international track, and the situation with Warsaw could cost Ukraine too much.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19737

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 5:01 utc | 293

A bad signal for the Office of the President from Poland, if we are compared to the drowned man Duda, then what do others think?
Bankova began to lose the international track, and the situation with Warsaw could cost Ukraine too much.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19737

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 5:01 utc | 294

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ War Map and the Situation on the Fronts for the Evening of 19 September 2023; pub. 00:05⚡️
💡Russian Engineers time after time perform a miracle. If earlier our army lacked means of operational defeat of targets at a distance of more than 50 km, then ours remembered about “Lancet”. And now they have improved it. Judging by the successful raid of kamikaze drones on #Dolgintsevo Airfield near Krivoy Rog, during which at least one MiG-29 was hit, “Lancet” began to fly at 70 km, although previously the upper limit of range was 50 km. Such innovations will greatly help the Russian army to further nightmare the Ukrainian SAUs and MLRSs.
⚔️ Situation on the Fronts over the past day
🔹#Bakhmut (#Artyomovsk) Direction:
▪️ Fierce fighting continues in #Kleshcheyevka, already strewn with the corpses of Ukrainian militants. In #Andreyevka, ours attempted to regain the previously abandoned positions. Also Russian fighters attacked from the direction of #Kurdyumovka.
🔹#Zaporozhye Direction:
▪️ In the #Orekhov section, the AFU stopped active unsuccessful offensive actions. So far there are counter fights west of #Rabotino and attempts to fight near #Novoprokopovka and #Verbovoye. On the #Vremyevka ledge, militants attacked near #Novodonetskoye and #Novomayorskoye.
💥 Our antiaircraft gunners shot down an Ukrainian Su-25 near #Novopokovka in the #Zaporozhye region.
⚡️ The Russian Army worked all night on infrastructure across 404. In #Kharkov region, there was a missile strike near an armoured plant in the Kholodnogorsk district. And in #Odessa, #Lvov and Khmelnitsky regions, “Geraniums” were in bloom. In #Lvov, a strike on an industrial facility caused a major fire. Near #Odessa, a hit on port infrastructure. And in #Khmelnitsky, the airfield in #Starokonstantinov was targeted.

https://t.me/sitreports/15319

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 5:03 utc | 295

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ War Map and the Situation on the Fronts for the Evening of 19 September 2023; pub. 00:05⚡️
💡Russian Engineers time after time perform a miracle. If earlier our army lacked means of operational defeat of targets at a distance of more than 50 km, then ours remembered about “Lancet”. And now they have improved it. Judging by the successful raid of kamikaze drones on #Dolgintsevo Airfield near Krivoy Rog, during which at least one MiG-29 was hit, “Lancet” began to fly at 70 km, although previously the upper limit of range was 50 km. Such innovations will greatly help the Russian army to further nightmare the Ukrainian SAUs and MLRSs.
⚔️ Situation on the Fronts over the past day
🔹#Bakhmut (#Artyomovsk) Direction:
▪️ Fierce fighting continues in #Kleshcheyevka, already strewn with the corpses of Ukrainian militants. In #Andreyevka, ours attempted to regain the previously abandoned positions. Also Russian fighters attacked from the direction of #Kurdyumovka.
🔹#Zaporozhye Direction:
▪️ In the #Orekhov section, the AFU stopped active unsuccessful offensive actions. So far there are counter fights west of #Rabotino and attempts to fight near #Novoprokopovka and #Verbovoye. On the #Vremyevka ledge, militants attacked near #Novodonetskoye and #Novomayorskoye.
💥 Our antiaircraft gunners shot down an Ukrainian Su-25 near #Novopokovka in the #Zaporozhye region.
⚡️ The Russian Army worked all night on infrastructure across 404. In #Kharkov region, there was a missile strike near an armoured plant in the Kholodnogorsk district. And in #Odessa, #Lvov and Khmelnitsky regions, “Geraniums” were in bloom. In #Lvov, a strike on an industrial facility caused a major fire. Near #Odessa, a hit on port infrastructure. And in #Khmelnitsky, the airfield in #Starokonstantinov was targeted.

https://t.me/sitreports/15319

Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 5:03 utc | 296

This is uncharted territory.
Posted by: PalmaSailor | Sep 20 2023 4:41 utc | 142
Definitely correct. Anything is possible in these circumstances.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 5:14 utc | 297

This is uncharted territory.
Posted by: PalmaSailor | Sep 20 2023 4:41 utc | 142
Definitely correct. Anything is possible in these circumstances.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 5:14 utc | 298

“Rain or shine they’re getting slaughtered.”
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 4:18 utc | 138
One should never be overconfident like that. Underestimating one’s enemies abilities isn’t a good idea, ever.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 20 2023 4:33 utc | 141
Keep an eye on that scoreboard, wisco. I wouldn’t put too much faith in US imperialism at this stage.
It’s, as famously said here, a reality show with nukes. So, they can nuke. Short of that they’ll never beat Russia/China. Never.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 5:18 utc | 299

“Rain or shine they’re getting slaughtered.”
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 4:18 utc | 138
One should never be overconfident like that. Underestimating one’s enemies abilities isn’t a good idea, ever.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 20 2023 4:33 utc | 141
Keep an eye on that scoreboard, wisco. I wouldn’t put too much faith in US imperialism at this stage.
It’s, as famously said here, a reality show with nukes. So, they can nuke. Short of that they’ll never beat Russia/China. Never.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 5:18 utc | 300