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September 19, 2023

New York Times Acknowledges Ukrainian Origin Of Deadly Strike

The New York Times is finally acknowledging that the September 6 deadly impact of a missile in the center of Kostiantynivka was caused by a Ukrainian missile:

Evidence Suggests Ukrainian Missile Caused Market Tragedy

One wonders what took them so long.

The Sept. 6 missile strike on Kostiantynivka in eastern Ukraine was one of the deadliest in the country in months, killing at least 15 civilians and injuring more than 30 others. The weapon’s payload of metal fragments struck a market, piercing windows and walls and wounding some victims beyond recognition.

Less than two hours later, President Volodymyr Zelensky blamed Russian “terrorists” for the attack, and many media outlets followed suit.

The New York Times was of course one of those media outlets that had spread Zelenski's lies:

The attack clouded Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken’s unannounced visit to Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital, the same day, one of the highest-level visits by a U.S. official to there since President Biden visited in February. Mr. Blinken met with President Volodymyr Zelensky, announced more than $1 billion in new U.S. aid for Ukraine and praised its people’s valor and resilience in the face of what he called Russia’s “horrific” aggression.

Just hours after the impact several bloggers has already found that the missile had come from the Ukrainian side. The next day the Conflict Intelligence Team (CIT) published a report about it:

On Sept. 6, a missile strike rocked Kostiantynivka, a town in the Donetsk region under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The missile hit a bustling city market at 2:04 p.m. local time, leaving 16 dead and 33 injured. Photos and videos of the aftermath of the strike have been circulated by various media outlets worldwide.

The videos showed evidence that the missile had come from the Ukrainian side. Ironically the main one had been published by Zelenski's office:

CCTV footage published on President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s official Telegram channel captured not only the moment of impact, but also the preceding few seconds when bystanders turn their heads, alerted by the sound of the incoming missile. Additionally, the missile’s reflection can be seen on the roofs of two parked cars in different frames of the video. Based on the geolocation of the video, and these reflections, we can say with a high degree of confidence that the missile flew in from the north-west.
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The nearest Russian positions are located approximately 18–19 km east and southeast of Kostiantynivka, as to the northwest, the missile could only have been launched from Russian territory in the vicinity of Grayvoron in the Belgorod region at a distance of about 250 km. Since we consider such a scenario to be unlikely, it is reasonable to assume that it was an accidental Ukrainian missile strike.

This version is also indirectly supported by a report about missile launches from aircraft south of Druzhkivka posted at 2:01 p.m. by a pro-Russian Telegram channel, where locals loyal to Russia report on Ukrainian Air Force activity. Druzhkivka is located just northwest of Kostiantynivka.

The strike was assessed to have been by a U.S. AGM-88 anti radar missile:

Pro-Russian Telegram channels assume that it was an AGM-88 HARM missile. The AFU regularly uses such missiles in the Donetsk region—for example, yesterday we reported a hit by such a missile on a residential building in Donetsk. There were also other incidents near Horlivka; fragments of a HARM missile were found on Sept. 1 near Holmivskyi, 30 kilometers southeast of Kostiantynivka.
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Currently, there are no photos of the missile debris, making it impossible to identify it. In the reflections seen in the video, no details of its construction can be discerned. Despite the existence of missiles capable of making turns in the air (e.g., the 9K720 Iskander mobile short-range ballistic missile), in this case, there are far more direct and indirect pieces of evidence in favor of an accidental strike by an AGM-88 HARM missile.

The New York Times report disagrees with this missile assessment:

But evidence collected and analyzed by The New York Times, including missile fragments, satellite imagery, witness accounts and social media posts, strongly suggests the catastrophic strike was the result of an errant Ukrainian air defense missile fired by a Buk launch system.
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Further evidence reveals that minutes before the strike, the Ukrainian military launched two surface-to-air missiles toward the Russian front line from the town of Druzhkivka, 10 miles northwest of Kostiantynivka.

Reporters with The Times were in Druzhkivka when they heard an outgoing missile launch at 2 p.m., followed a few minutes later by a second. By chance, one member of the team recorded the first launch in a voice message.
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In the aftermath of the attack, Ukrainian authorities said Russian forces used a missile fired by an S-300 air defense system, which Russia has used both to intercept aircraft and strike targets on the ground. But an S-300 missile carries a different warhead from the one that exploded in Kostiantynivka.

The metal facades of buildings closest to the explosion were perforated with hundreds of square or rectangular holes, probably made by cube-like objects blown outward from the missile.

Measurements of the holes — and fragments found at the scene — are consistent in size and shape with one weapon in particular: the 9M38 missile, which is fired by the mobile Buk antiaircraft vehicle. Ukraine is known to use the Buk system, as is Russia.

Some of the holes are less than 10 millimeters in width, while others are slightly larger. The 9M38 contains two different sizes of solid-metal cubic fragments: eight millimeters and 13 millimeters across.

That impact damage evidence is less convincing than the Times makes it sound. It could have equally have come from a AGM-88 HARM missile:

The warhead section is designed to inflict sufficient damage on the target antenna and waveguide system to force an inoperative condition. It also ensures complete destruction of the HARM Missile guidance section. The AGM-88A, and AGM-88B warhead section contains 25,000 pre-formed steel fragments, an explosive charge, a fuze, and a fuze booster. The AGM-88C utilizes an improved warhead section containing 12,845 tungsten fragments and an improved explosive charge which provides greater overall lethality.

The fragmentation damage could have been caused by both types of weapons. The sound of the missile launch heard by the Times reporter could also have come from either type. But whatever type of missile it was we can be sure that it was launched by the Ukrainian side.

One question is not answered by The New York Times report. Why did it take twelve days to publish its report when it took only hours after the impact to find convincing evidence of a Ukrainian missile impact?

And why was this published the very day President Zelenski arrives in New York and shortly before he will meet President Biden in the White House?

Are the knives out to cut the liar to size?

Posted by b on September 19, 2023 at 15:02 UTC | Permalink

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The slow evolution of abandoning the proxy. We can only hope that Zelensky has dirt on members of the US leadership class and with it the potential to make a real mess of US domestic politics.

The NYT has to determine that it was Buk missile, otherwise the question about whether it was a HARM gone off course or a false flag for Blinken’s visit would require an answer. I assume it was a false flag based on how quickly Ukrainian propaganda got on it and how it just as quickly pretended like it never happened because it screwed up in releasing footage that exonerated Russia. If the NYT story is true, then Kiev would cling to how it wouldn’t have happened except for Russia’s brutal aggression against Ukraine.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 19 2023 15:23 utc | 1

Truth is always the first casualty...As true today as it was 100 years ago...

Posted by: pyrrhus | Sep 19 2023 15:24 utc | 2

We can only hope that Zelensky has dirt on members of the US leadership class and with it the potential to make a real mess of US domestic politics.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 19 2023 15:23 utc | 1

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What would happen if we had a video of Joe Biden eating a live baby and laughing about it? Wouldn't he exceed his previous vote record anyway?

We're all observers. There are no institutions that can pursue Justice.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 15:27 utc | 3

It was surprising, how this recognition of western media came out of the bushes. There might be infighting going on between CIA, State department and some China hawks on how much resources US is willing to spend on Ukraine - and someone decided to pour some cold water on the Ukraine war hawks for the benefit of China war hawks.

The whole media, including russophobic Polish outlets like Visegrad24 and Nexta where completely synchronized reporting this news, so it was clearly the official party line. Biden/Sullivan/Blinken want to memory hole Ukraine, and they clearly gave Zelensky till November to take Tokmak. Now they see that ain't happening so shot-across-the-bow for Zelensky.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2023 15:29 utc | 4

One wonders what took them so long.
Waited until Zelensky showed uin New York? probably not.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 19 2023 15:31 utc | 5

Another scenario might have been a deliberate strike by the Ukraine for propaganda indoctrination purposes. YES, they are that evil and so is the US/UK! Hello, the propaganda started with the atrocities in Buka committed by Ukraine blamed on Russia. The first casualty of War is always truth, never forget that.

Posted by: Bob | Sep 19 2023 15:31 utc | 6

One wonders what took them so long.

...to undermine Elensky's US tour and speech to the UN.
Timing is everything and Elensky is going under the bus.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 19 2023 15:34 utc | 7

-B-
All really good questions. A lot on plates of UN, UNSC…
China in Russia, Assad meeting Xi, Russia meeting Iranian counter part, LOTS going on OUTSIDE of UN 77 & UNSC Ze sh*tshow.

I’m rather not believing anymore in the idea of “US factions” duking it out, I.e. “mediating “peace”, extending war, supporting ATACMs, all this Ukraine B.S., seems Iran/China strike real goal soon. Ukraine done.

Question is, will China & Russia allow another proxy nation war with a new nation state, or both just say we’ve had enough & finish off UK/US and illicit direct confrontation…?

If not, then could be decades more of “whack-a-mole”, another 3 decades of destabilization & war campaigns across the globe.

I know many believe US on verge of “bankruptcy”… it’s ridiculously far from the truth, do they want the “economy” to “scream”… yes, but all this is so far manufactured for many reasons. Anyways, seems some things are accelerating is all I’m saying.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 19 2023 15:35 utc | 8

And why was this published the very day President Zelenski arrives in New York and shortly before he will meet President Biden in the White House?

Are the knives out to cut the liar to size?

Posted by b on September 19, 2023 at 15:02 UTC | Permalink

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The knives are always out for everyone in politics. One day, you're a partisan fighting shoulder to shoulder, the next day you're destroying the leader of your party to suit your donors and/or personal ambition.

They can build up Zelensky while tearing him down at the same time. One issue I have with this info space is how many people who have stared all of this data and corruption the face repeatedly, and (bless them for having soft hearts) still have Boomer-tier attitudes (speaking specifically about Ritter and Johnson) about power. These pols are all rotten people, not everything they do is rational, and the only consistent thing is self-gratification at the expense of anyone in their way.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 15:35 utc | 9

Couldnt find a somewhat new non ukraine post, so I am trying it here:

Any insights about the azerbaidjan:armenia escalation?

Dreizin had a piece out talking about the selling of thousands of israeli drones by the azeris.

Posted by: Orgel | Sep 19 2023 15:38 utc | 10

@LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 15:35 utc | 9

They can build up Zelensky while tearing him down at the same time.

Tear down Stoltenberg with Zelensky, please.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 19 2023 15:40 utc | 11

thanks b..

so nyt is only 1/2 lying, lol... scratch russiagate.. this is full on ukrainegate........ but i trust the cia and friends to keep a permanent lid on it..

Posted by: james | Sep 19 2023 15:40 utc | 12

next they will let slip the truth about bucca.... can't wait.. i am sure i will be long dead and gone by then...

Posted by: james | Sep 19 2023 15:42 utc | 13

I think question is was it the government, one of its agencies, the USA embassy in Ukraine or a private non human corporate interest that made the decision to correct and expose the error? Who made the decision and how was that decision communicated to, the media. Find the source and tracking it to the decision center seems to me to be very important.

Posted by: snake | Sep 19 2023 15:43 utc | 14

@ unimperator | Sep 19 2023 15:29 utc | 4

this link with graph is excellent for explaining the chain of command with regard to the media..

The Propaganda Multiplier

Posted by: james | Sep 19 2023 15:44 utc | 15

Well, at least that's one "terrorist attack" Zelensky won't be able to use at his UN General Assembly speech.
It might also be a subtle pressure to push him towards a less maximalist "peace agreement" position, to push him towards negotiation without his silly "I want every squared inch from 1991 back or there's no peace" pre-requisite.

Bob | Sep 19 2023 15:31 utc | 6
Indeed, in such cases, like happened in previous other cases (in Kiev several times, or that one time across the Polish border), either it's deliberate or it's anti-missile missile coming back to the ground after failing to intercept an incoming Kinzhal/whatever.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 19 2023 15:48 utc | 16

What would happen if we had a video of Joe Biden eating a live baby and laughing about it?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 15:27 utc | 3

„This is a fake video, it has been AI-generated, nothing to see, move on“ – simple, isn’t it? :-)

Posted by: Zet | Sep 19 2023 15:49 utc | 17

We can only hope that Zelensky has dirt on members of the US leadership class and with it the potential to make a real mess of US domestic politics.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 19 2023 15:23 utc | 1

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What would happen if we had a video of Joe Biden eating a live baby and laughing about it? Wouldn't he exceed his previous vote record anyway?

We're all observers. There are no institutions that can pursue Justice.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 15:27 utc | 3

As far as Tribal democrat voters are concerned, Biden can eat live babies and they would still vote for him

Same goes for Trump and Tribal republicans

How many non-tribal, persuadable voters are there left in the USA?

Posted by: Aslangeo | Sep 19 2023 15:53 utc | 18

Any insights about the azerbaidjan:armenia escalation?

Posted by: Orgel | Sep 19 2023 15:38 utc | 10

The Duran has two videos up about that but I didn’t have time to watch them so can‘t tell any details.

Posted by: Zet | Sep 19 2023 15:55 utc | 19

Many people in Ukraine were interested in the fact that an American publication published an investigation into the tragedy in Konstantinovka precisely at the moment when Zelensky arrived in the United States and before his speech at the UN.

It’s just that such news does not come out in such media.

We immediately wrote that the rocket was Ukrainian, but at that moment everyone had information that it was an aviation one, since “Ukrainian landers” were flying over the city.

We agree with the version that the tragedy was organized for Blinken’s arrival so that all the world’s media would write about it.

The goal was to create the necessary information background. For example, in this case, Blinken could not even publicly hint that Kyiv should agree to peace agreements.

And yes, Blinken’s visit was symbolic, like a “last date.”


https://t.me/legitimniy/16287
The President's Office turned on the anti-crisis and accused the NYT journalist of working for the Kremlin.

The author of the article is Thomas Gibbons-Neff, who has repeatedly written pro-Russian articles and has already twice been deprived of his Ukrainian Armed Forces press card for violating work rules in combat areas.

An excellent method of working with Western media, but it only creates mistrust in the world.


https://t.me/rezident_ua/19731

Posted by: Down South | Sep 19 2023 15:57 utc | 20

IMHO, 'discarding' Zelensky can happen only if any eventually dirt has been hidden/neutralized in advance.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 19 2023 15:58 utc | 21

The mobilization of women is no longer a matter of political decision, but of time. A legal justification and PR support for this issue is being prepared.

Discussions about the need to mobilize women not just to hospitals, communications centers and other places of rear services, but also directly to combat positions, have been going on in the Office of the President for quite a long time. And we are already seeing the first signals indicating that Bankova “has everything covered” in the case of women’s mobilization.

Thus, all women representing, at a minimum, professions related to medicine and pharmaceuticals will have to register for military service at the Territorial Recruitment Centers from October 1. Moreover, female doctors who do not register for military service without good reason face a fine of 850 to 1,700 UAH, and in case of repeated violation - criminal liability.

In parallel with this, more and more articles appear in the Ukrainian media, clearly custom-made, talking about the need for women to serve in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The main message of the authors of the materials is that service is a struggle for women’s rights (by the way, women in this case are not always represented as representatives of auxiliary military specialties). Well, in the foreseeable future, Ukrainians may well have an “Israeli” option with the mobilization of women


https://t.me/rezident_ua/19729

Posted by: Down South | Sep 19 2023 15:59 utc | 22

@ james | Sep 19 2023 15:44 utc | 15

james that's terrific! I read that article back when it first came out and then lost track of it.
Since then I've tried to explain to friends & such how it all comes from the same well.
Now I can give a more accurate picture.
I owe you one.- cheers and huge thanks!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Sep 19 2023 16:01 utc | 23

Any insights about the azerbaidjan:armenia escalation?

Posted by: Orgel | Sep 19 2023 15:38 utc | 10

A new Ukraine in the making.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 19 2023 16:05 utc | 24

If Z goes down doesn't Biden go with him?

The azerbaidjan:armenia escalation is desperation control of global narrative.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 19 2023 16:10 utc | 25

The rich irony of b's conclusion: using a BigLie Media outlet "to cut the liar to size."

At the top of her weekly briefing today, Ms. Zakharova announced Lavrov will arrive in New York tomorrow for the 78th session of the UN General Assembly that also begins tomorrow. Apparently, there was no visa hassles this year as in years past. She also announced the existence of an online document spelling out "Russia's position" at the affair. The following two points deal with Ukraine and the SMO:

3. The Kiev regime's eight-year ongoing war against the population of Donbass and Ukraine's deliberate sabotage of the Package of Measures for the Implementation of the Minsk Agreements forced Russia to take measures to protect civilians in the region. The special military operation (SVO) launched in 2022 is being carried out in strict accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter and will be carried out until threats to the security of our country are eliminated.

Ukraine's Western allies contribute to the escalation and prolongation of the conflict by supplying Kyiv with heavy weapons, providing financial and technical assistance, recruiting and sending mercenaries. The weapons of NATO countries are used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to strike at civilian infrastructure and civilians in Donbass. Thus, the West actually becomes an accomplice in hostilities and is responsible for the crimes of the Kyiv regime.

Violations of international humanitarian law and terrorist attacks by Ukraine are carefully recorded, the perpetrators of them will be punished. By its actions and rhetoric, Kiev demonstrates a complete lack of interest in a peaceful settlement of the conflict. Russia has never rejected a diplomatic solution to the crisis and is ready for negotiations, taking into account the situation on the ground and the legitimate interests of our country.

4. The Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions became part of Russia as a result of the free expression of the will of their population in September 2022 in accordance with the UN Charter and the 1970 Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Cooperation among States. This document guarantees the territorial integrity of those States whose "Governments represent, without distinction as to race, creed or colour, the whole people living in the territory". It is obvious that the Kiev authorities, who for years have been persecuting a significant part of their population precisely on national, religious, linguistic and cultural grounds, do not meet this criterion.

The recognition of referendums in the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, as well as the admission of Crimea to Russia following the will of its inhabitants in 2014 is a prerequisite for reaching agreements on a comprehensive settlement of the situation in Ukraine.

We are seriously concerned about the growing tendency of the UN General Assembly to go beyond its competence, which has resulted in a series of confrontational anti-Russian resolutions adopted since February 24, 2022 in connection with the situation in Ukraine in violation of paragraph 1 of Article 12 of the UN Charter. Trying to qualify the NWO as "aggression" in non-consensus resolutions, demand its termination, compensation for damage, etc., the UN General Assembly acts beyond its competence and arbitrarily assumes the functions of the UN Security Council. [My Emphasis]

There's more about the Ukraine conflict later in the very long, 81-Point, document, which I'll post to my substack. This part dealing with reform of the UNSC IMO deserves notice:

"6. The goal of the reform of the UN Security Council is to increase the representation of developing countries in Africa, Asia and Latin America in the Security Council without compromising its effectiveness and efficiency. We consider Brazil and India to be natural candidates for permanent seats on the Council in the event of a decision to expand it in both categories of membership. The optimal size of the reformed Security Council is "just over twenty members" (low twenties). The search for an optimal reform model that enjoys maximum support should continue in the current format of intergovernmental negotiations. Translating the discussions to a textual basis before agreeing on the basic parameters of reform is counterproductive. The prerogatives of the permanent members of the Council, including the right of veto, are not subject to audit."

Overall, the document recaps Russia's position on ongoing conflicts and other events and is an excellent aide. As usual, the update on the SMO is very long; I'll just provide this one paragraph:

"A few days ago, terrible footage circulated on the Internet, in which Ukrainian militants drive two prisoners in the uniform of the Russian army towards a minefield. After a while, one of the Kyiv-regime servicemen (after what he did, he automatically becomes a criminal, not a soldier) opens fire in their direction, then an explosion is heard. All this is immediately accompanied and acquired, at the suggestion of the Kyiv regime and all those who have been "zigging" it for many years, with inscriptions and wording that demining should take place like this, live. Let me remind you that such monstrous crimes were committed by the Nazis during the Great Patriotic War. Today, their followers in Ukraine are diligently adopting these savage practices of Hitlerism."

Immediately following the SMO update is an announcement of a new webpage "testifying to the crimes of the OUN-UPA during the Great Patriotic War and their ideological successors today" entitled "About the crimes of Bandera from the 1940s to the present day." I'll also post its translation to my substack as a service for readers. Following that announcement is another item about Ukraine, "On Ukraine's responsibility for environmental degradation in the region." The transcript has yet to be completed, so I expect a longer than usual briefing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2023 16:12 utc | 26

afghan/ukranazi is there a single characteristic in u$$a puppets?

not one word approved by u$$a is worth listening to

Posted by: paddy | Sep 19 2023 16:12 utc | 27

In other news: Denmark will donate to Ukraine an additional 45 tanks purchased in cooperation with other countries, the Danish Defense Ministry said on Tuesday. Source: People’s Daily China

Posted by: Zet | Sep 19 2023 16:16 utc | 28

https://news.sky.com/story/online-safety-bill-to-become-law-in-crackdown-on-harmful-social-media-content-12965080

Meanwhile today they passed this bill online under the guise of Russel brand, UN drivel and azeri- Armenia war blaming putting again. I'm no lawyer but I would love to see the full co tents of this bill and what it means for freedom of speech. Thank god I left the UK many years back.

Posted by: Scot1and | Sep 19 2023 16:19 utc | 29

A possible explanation for the article is narrative management:

Since it became evident that the weapon used was not fired by the Russians, and it was possibly American, the only way to exonerate the American weapons, is by implicating the Ukrainian ones, while also framing the whole thing as an accident.
Additionally, in a next iteration, when the BUK story will have caught on, we might also see the Russian scenario making a come back, at least for certain audiences: BUK=Soviet=Russian -> The Russians did it. (Damage control, anyone?)


Why did it take (The New York Times) twelve days to publish its report when it took only hours after the impact to find convincing evidence of a Ukrainian missile impact?

Possibly related to the delay of news propagation and damage estimation, damage control planning and execution. IF the weapon used was indeed American, The New York Times have not found any convincing evidence of a Ukrainian missile impact. It took them twelve days to arrive at this iteration of narrative management.


And why was this published the very day President Zelenski arrives in New York and shortly before he will meet President Biden in the White House?

Possibly because 1)protecting the Big Guy is more important, and 2) this is a warning to the subordinate not to fuck up again like that (meaning not be careless with posting videos).

The above point of view presupposes that (almost) everything in this war is about global public audience perceptions:
"Russians killing innocent civilians" -> GOOD
"Americans, indirectly, killing innocent civilians" -> NOT GOOD
Don't forget, the whole war from the US/NATO side is based on the idea of moral righteousness. This has to be preserved at any cost.

Posted by: RandomLurker | Sep 19 2023 16:26 utc | 30

Was there ever any backtrack of the claim that Russia fired that missile into the train station near the start of the war? It was shown to be one from Ukraine's stockpiles, right?

Posted by: Ringo | Sep 19 2023 16:26 utc | 31

Its certainly one up for Lavrov when he meets Zekensky at ghe UNGA

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 19 2023 16:34 utc | 32

Dirt on the US ruling held by Zelensky won’t bring Biden down. I didn’t mean that at all. I said it would cause problems within US domestic politics. Think more fodder for impeachment proceedings. But it will also limit Biden’s behavior (if it exists and he would know, the threat of it has to be part of his calculations).

Biden currently has the US in a quagmire and one of the ways out is getting rid of Zelensky … unless he can’t do it safely. And it’s not going to be just Biden. Pelosi and Kerry’s kids were in on the corruption. Assume lots of apparatchiks tried to get their cut too. It’s simply a matter of making every decision tree much more complex and these people have limited intellectual capability. They’ll lose at the games of corruption and blackmail if they’re playing Ukrainians because the Ukrainians are among the world’s best.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 19 2023 16:39 utc | 33

Perhaps a video might surface of Sussana Gibson changing Biden's Depends.

Bound to satisfy the prurient interests of some.

Posted by: morongobill | Sep 19 2023 16:44 utc | 34

The New York Times: The market in Kostiantynovka, located in the Kiev-controlled part of the DPR, was struck by a Ukrainian missile.

This conclusion was drawn by experts and analysts who interviewed local residents, reviewed CCTV footage, and collected shrapnel fragments.

According to their findings, the evidence "strongly suggests that the catastrophic strike resulted from a misaligned trajectory of a Ukrainian air defense missile fired from the Buk complex."

The newspaper reports that the footage indicates the missile's approach from the direction of the territory controlled by Kiev. When the sound of an approaching missile is heard, at least four pedestrians simultaneously turn their heads toward the source of the sound - the Kiev-held territory.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/63719

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 19 2023 16:45 utc | 35

💢 The Ukrainian government has dismissed all deputy defence ministers and the state secretary of the ministry

- Ukrainian Cabinet Minister Oleh Nemchynov

Anna Malyar has also been dismissed as earlier reported.

Subscribe @NewResistance

???????? Related to this incident?????? Anyone verify????

Posted by: Jo | Sep 19 2023 16:47 utc | 36

I know many believe US on verge of “bankruptcy”… it’s ridiculously far from the truth

Trying to convince yourself? I'll spare us all the evidence weighing against this statement for now - why don't you offer some compelling argument rather than naked assertion? I am curious how you could come to this conclusion other than the fact some treat economics as an esoteric occult art.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2023 16:48 utc | 37

Pressure on Zelensky? Obviously he isn’t committing enough war crimes inside Russia. Here comes deep missile strikes.
Russia does have missiles that can change direction so who knows. The Americans were in town to deal with corruption when the attack happened.
It is interesting a large market in Sudan got the same treatment at the same time tho

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 16:59 utc | 38

RandomLurker writes: “Since it became evident that the weapon used was not fired by the Russians, and it was possibly American, the only way to exonerate the American weapons, is by implicating the Ukrainian ones”

— there’s precedence for this kind of blame-shifting, of course: the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 19 2023 17:08 utc | 39

RandomLurker writes: “Since it became evident that the weapon used was not fired by the Russians, and it was possibly American, the only way to exonerate the American weapons, is by implicating the Ukrainian ones”

— there’s precedence for this kind of blame-shifting, of course: the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 19 2023 17:08 utc | 40
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How do you know it wasn’t the Russians that blew up the pipeline? They offered to fix and open Nord stream 2 but not the original.
The first one had long term dirt cheap contracts, blowing it up not only got Russia out of being completely ripped off on prices it drove the price up on any new supplies.

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 17:14 utc | 40

Muust be true; even the Guardian are reporting it:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/19/ukrainian-market-tragedy-may-have-been-caused-by-errant-missile-fired-by-ukraine

Posted by: Themanwhofelltoearth | Sep 19 2023 17:04 utc | 39

Note the closing lines about russia bombing civilian targets, hospitals and so on.

After exposing bullshit from ukr are we expected to keep beleiving previous bullshit?

Posted by: Mario | Sep 19 2023 17:14 utc | 41

Today at the 78th UNGA: According to Lula (brazil) BRICS will challenge the works of the IMF and World Bank. Things are seriously hotting up.

Posted by: AI | Sep 19 2023 17:16 utc | 42

Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2023 16:48 utc | 37--

I didn't see who you were replying to, but this document is what needs to be spread around, "Financial Statements of the United States Government for the Fiscal Years Ended September 30, 2022, and 2021" that show total net equity at the end of 2022 to be (34,061.2) or negative $34,061,200,000,000 with assets being merely $4,962,400,000,000. any "normal" entity having such a balance sheet would be declared bankrupt. The deepening loss from 2021-2022 was about $4.3 Trillion; so, we can expect a further loss of about the same magnitude for 2023. Meanwhile, Russia's solvent as is China.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2023 17:17 utc | 43

How do you know it wasn’t the Russians that blew up the pipeline? They offered to fix and open Nord stream 2 but not the original.
The first one had long term dirt cheap contracts, blowing it up not only got Russia out of being completely ripped off on prices it drove the price up on any new supplies.

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 17:14 utc | 41

Russian could simply shut the gas, no need to blow the pipe. Maybe they could use some sort of technical problems and blame sanctions on the impossibility to resume pumping.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 19 2023 17:20 utc | 44

Pro-Ukrainian spin-doctors have long since created what they believe is an unassailable logic trap that allows them to defend any atrocity committed by Ukraine. Namely, that if Russia hadn't invaded, the conditions for launching missiles at a civilian market wouldn't exist, so it's basically Russia's fault when Ukraine does anything. This reasoning resonates quite well with ostensibly pro-Russian schizo-patriots, who interpret everything done by Ukraine as something Russia allows them to do.

Posted by: Skiffer | Sep 19 2023 17:25 utc | 45

How do you know it wasn’t the Russians that blew up the pipeline?

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 17:14 utc | 41

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Russia has failed in its resolution calling for an investigation into the explosions at the Nord Stream 1 and 2 Baltic Sea pipelines in the United Nations Security Council.

Nine yes votes would have been required. Only China and Brazil voted for it. The other 15 members abstained or said further investigation was unnecessary.

https://unric-org.translate.goog/de/nord-stream29032023/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

By the way, I had to use Google Translate because, interestingly, the information was available in German but not in English.

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 19 2023 17:34 utc | 46

OC@41

Are you serious??! Get real. The Russians could never have assembled the assets necessary for the task in the area where the explosions occurred without being immediately and irrefutably implicated.

This was clearly a US planned operation carried out by people from their shadow world. The attempt to blame Ukraine after the fact is simply the choice of an acceptable scapegoat in order to publicly misdirect blame from obviously guilty party.

Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 19 2023 17:52 utc | 47

So, the missing plane:

1. Missing and found after 24 hours in USA according to US government?
2. Hacked in USA by Russia. (after US attack on Prigozhin and Sevastopol).
3. Shot down after the attack on Sevastopol. 5 planes took of in Ukraina- 4 travelled directly and launched rockets. One of the planes went south and attacked from Snake Island area. Maybe that was the F35 and after the rocket launh went to Romania. There was a drone- attack in Romania that the government denied the first day, then they admitted tha attack.

The official version is least credible in my opinion!

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 19 2023 17:57 utc | 48


How do you know it wasn’t the Russians that blew up the pipeline? They offered to fix and open Nord stream 2 but not the original.
The first one had long term dirt cheap contracts, blowing it up not only got Russia out of being completely ripped off on prices it drove the price up on any new supplies.

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 17:14 utc | 41

If you look at the pipelines as a tangible asset, the loss is not an enrichment of the owner.

Who owned the pipelines?

https://www.nord-stream.com/de/wer-wir-sind/
"Nord Stream AG, headquartered in Zug, Switzerland, is an international consortium of five major energy companies. It was founded in 2005 to plan, build and subsequently operate the Nord Stream gas pipeline through the Baltic Sea, consisting of two pipeline strings, each 1,224 kilometers long.

The five shareholders of Nord Stream AG are Gazprom international projects North 1 LLC (a Gazprom Group company), Wintershall Dea AG, PEG Infrastruktur AG (E.ON), N.V. Nederlandse Gasunie and ENGIE."

https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/diese-konzerne-sind-an-nord-stream-2-beteiligt-a-d8136b47-1b13-491e-8fb4-9444b2fed693


Otherwise, Canada has not performed the required maintenance on the turbines due to santions.
Price trends are linked to availability. Destruction of pipelines is more likely to ensure investment in infrastructure, for example, to be able to transport liquefied natural gas by ships.
So that the USA can sell its overpriced product in Europe.

All this and much more speaks against Russia, only harm, no benefit.
Oh yes, and the facts have already been discussed in detail in the bar. yawn

Posted by: 600w | Sep 19 2023 17:58 utc | 49

This was clearly a US planned operation carried out by people from their shadow world.

Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 19 2023 17:52 utc | 49

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Here in Germany it is an open secret that the Biden administration is responsible for the terrorist attacks against Nord Stream. It is solely up to Washington to explain where it has the audacity to commit an act of war against Germany that deliberately targets the economic heart of our nation.

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 19 2023 18:04 utc | 50

German daily Berliner Zeitung has picked it up.

"The New York Times: Kiev is responsible for explosion at Ukrainian market - not Moscow
The New York Times has analyzed a missile attack on the Kostiantynivka market that killed 15 people: A Ukrainian missile is believed to have exploded there."
https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/politik-gesellschaft/ukraine-krieg-new-york-times-kiew-ist-fuer-explosion-auf-ukrainischem-markt-verantwortlich-nicht-moskau-li.418404

BUUUT:

They sure found a way of reducing the significance, simply by not reflecting at all the bigger picture:

Neither do they say that this kind of stuff his happening all the time, sometimes even deliberatly so, (but I guess those well paid journalists dont actually know any of this) nor do they comment on how the media is treating it and has been treating it.

The end of the introduction is an example: They remind us that in April 2023 there were in fact 6 people already killed by a RU missile attack. (WERE there btw???)

"(...)On September 18, 2023, an analysis appeared in the New York Times suggesting that a September 6, 2023, missile strike on the Ukrainian town of Kostiantynivka in the eastern part of the country was not perpetrated by Russian forces but was an errant missile by the Ukrainian military. 15 people died in the missile explosion and 30 people were injured. As recently as April 2023, six people were killed by Russian shelling in Kostiantynivka.(...)"

The end of the article goes into moral white-washing standards: The UKR government should repect freedom of press even if its inconvenient.

"(...)Now threatening those who do their work as reporters has nothing to do with European or Western standards, of which Ukraine is otherwise so proud. Freedom of the press must apply even where it is inconvenient for Ukraine."(...)"

Well thats putting mildly the fact that people dont dare to report critically out of fear of those crazy nationalists. Any adult mind in UKR knows this. But not our correpondents there. this is an astonishing skill of self-sabotage. I´d love to learn that too. Would make my life much easier.

Because bottom line: This was an EXCEPTION. And as exceptions go they always affirm the opposite. Which would make UKR missile launches even more humane since they are fallable too. But who isn´t. Thats the peverted double-think behind it all. Fuck you BILD ZEITUNG reporter.

Posted by: AG | Sep 19 2023 18:20 utc | 51

Posted by: james | Sep 19 2023 15:44 utc | 15

James - such an informative article. A great compendium of information.

Every now and again information on a related subject comes out: the great amounts of money spent, and of personnel engaged in Western and particularly NATO information warfare.

All this goes to explaining the remarks of General Vad, reported and I think translated by Helmer:-

"Military experts [and those] who know what is going on among the secret services, what it looks like on the ground and what war really means – are largely excluded from the [German public] debate. They do not fit in with the formation of media opinion.

"We are largely experiencing a coordination of the media, the likes of which I have never experienced before in the Federal Republic.”

What General Vad comments on is explained by the article you have linked to. There is no need to postulate a Mr Big, sitting in some government office and circulating the message of the day. General Vad's "formation of media opinion" arises naturally as a result of the mechanism your link describes.

Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 19 2023 18:31 utc | 52

Z has turned down some aged tanks claiming not in sufficient repair ...no staff and parts to carry out such. But literally there are about a couple of thousand tanks at least such as these.. Leopards.. Chieftains...Abrams ....although would be sacrificed ...in sufficient numbers could make a standpoint to some degree...used to blow up the Russian minefields? Also eg a ring of steel around Kyev .. for whatever that might be worth....as probably not enough shells...fuel ..even people to drive them....that would be a sight.

Posted by: Jo | Sep 19 2023 18:33 utc | 53

“I am curious how you could come to this conclusion other than the fact some treat economics as an esoteric occult art.”

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2023 16:48 utc | 37

Probably as you say Doc. Could an engineered Fed Reserve collapse USA economy & do another 2008 grand theft Banking & Corporate merge heist and grab everyone’s pension, “make the economy scream” and leave Americans in the ditch? Sure.

But as global currency holder, we have “assets ” from here to Kingdom Come, we’re patent holders and make multibillions on crap we don’t even have to make, we own and control gold, copper, platinum mines. We have control over BOJ , HSBC and all Western Centralized banking systems, The IMF, The World Bank… I could go on and on…
Could I see the shits in Fed reserve sacking us with a hefty IMF loan in the future after the private banking cartel finishes us of to a third world status? Sure, but right now, we’re still needed. Our political faction and military are still needed. We will pillage and decimate every other Western central bank and Nation State b4 we go down.

Yes, I long ago gave up on what on a normal economic model “should be”…on a normal, even debt based economic model, the USA “should have” bankrupted several trillions worth ago…

But as you say, and I admit and agree, it’s just my esoteric opinion, nothing more.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 19 2023 18:40 utc | 54

OohCanada,

everyone knows the vile creature LIZTRUSSS rainbowcastle did it and would do it again. Women in politics needs rethinking

Posted by: Eleven bravo | Sep 19 2023 18:46 utc | 55

But as global currency holder, we have “assets ” from here to Kingdom Come, we’re patent holders and make multibillions on crap we don’t even have to make, we own and control gold, copper, platinum mines. We have control over BOJ , HSBC and all Western Centralized banking systems, The IMF, The World Bank… I could go on and on…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 19 2023 18:40 utc | 56

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Often forgotten with all of the immature and short-sighted Putin criticisms is that across that spectrum, Russia and China are starting to make significant inroads.

20 years from now, BRICs will just "be". Right now we're witnessing the changing of the guard, as one set of institutions are replaced by another. I am not saying that BRICs will be more just, or more productive. It will be less American, and in some regards, that is a win for everyone, including many European nations.

An infantile "civilization" like America should never have been leading the world at anything. The process of correcting that aberration is well underway now.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 18:47 utc | 56

Oh, and Ukraine is officially denying it was their missile and still blames Russia for it. Good, you fucking retards, it's very smart to attack NYT, which has been peak pro-Ukraine propaganda. At least keep a degree of credibility and admit it was an anti-missile dud, or something like that, but go on the offensive and accuse Western media of wrongfully blaming Ukraine on this part is so utterly stupid it could only seem reasonable in the minds of some of the most entitled arrogant assholes this planet has ever seen.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 19 2023 18:52 utc | 57

One question is not answered by The New York Times report. Why did it take twelve days to publish its report when it took only hours after the impact to find convincing evidence of a Ukrainian missile impact?

And why was this published the very day President Zelenski arrives in New York and shortly before he will meet President Biden in the White House?

Are the knives out to cut the liar to size?

Perusing the summary of statements by world leaders on the Muslim Brotherhood Media site, I would say yes indeed the knives are out. If even al Jazeera is publishing such, then the reasonable conclusion is that the US is not only the sick, old man of the Americas, it's the dead man walking of the quest for world supremacy.

The real kick in the pants is the statement of the UK; golly, as if there was never a negotiation process over a year ago that was scuttled by the UK PM himself. Seriously, the incompetency displayed by the empire is staggering. And as is typical with the dissolution of sadistic, degenerate empires, the rats at the top at the top will al turn on each other, in an effort to save their own necks.

They must all be held accountable for what they have done.

Thanks for being here, b.

Posted by: robjira | Sep 19 2023 18:55 utc | 58

Nothing new. They did the same back in 1994. in a marketplace called "Markale", in Sarajevo, during war between Serbs and everybody else (supported by NATO) in BiH. They asked Muslim Army to bomb their own people and then blame it on Serbs. Happened there, happens now, will happen again. Lying bitch Christiane Amanpoure was there, publishing fake picture and these days that very same prestitute is warning us about fake news. West is lying all the time so you better question all western narratives, about WWI, about WW2 about holocaust, about Stalin...as they are lying today! They open their filthy mouth and they lie!

Posted by: Preki | Sep 19 2023 19:15 utc | 59

As for Zelensky and coincidences, I recall getting an executive review of my corporate position. I noted that two widely separated paragraphs explicitly contradicted each other.

I concluded that this was to give the company an out in case I ever had to be fired. True or not ( it wasn't), they had something on paper they could cynically use to fend off any lawsuit or whatever. So, for Zelensky, this sort of NYT stuff is not good. They need something 'on him' in print. Just in case.

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 19 2023 19:18 utc | 60

The piano player is on tour on the road(on the way) now.
What is he traveling with?

I would take a train home now (Kims train)
Alaska,Norpol, Norway, Germany ( Poland is not so good too )
Austria Italy ..

Posted by: theo | Sep 19 2023 19:25 utc | 61

Just heard from someone I know, who works for a large news organisation, that they have been transferred off the dedicated Ukraine desk and reassigned to cover domestic election politics. The Ukraine desk (previously the war had been covered by the East European desk) had been opened before the offensive, so that its successful progress could be relayed to millions. Now it’s all shut down, as of today, and the staff reassigned or returned to their previous posts. The organisation in question has its finger in many pies and is deeply entrenched and ensconced within the political institutions who serve the Nuland Clan, so the close down provides more evidence that the offensive is defacto over.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 19 2023 19:26 utc | 62

How do you know it wasn’t the Russians that blew up the pipeline? They offered to fix and open Nord stream 2 but not the original.
The first one had long term dirt cheap contracts, blowing it up not only got Russia out of being completely ripped off on prices it drove the price up on any new supplies.

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 17:14 utc | 41

Russian could simply shut the gas, no need to blow the pipe. Maybe they could use some sort of technical problems and blame sanctions on the impossibility to resume pumping.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 19 2023 17:20 utc | 45


The entire population of the EU would blame Russia for inflation/fuel prices and hate on them if the economy were to collapse. Why not blame the yanks?
I mean it probably was the US but the Russians seemed to have a lot to gain.
Higher prices, forced use of NS2 and the EU population blaming the yanks. That’s 10x better than just cutting people off and having them start hating on you for life sucking

Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 19 2023 19:27 utc | 63

@65 oohcanada

Your facts are all wrong. Russian prices on pipeline are on contract, so they get no higher price unless it's lng


2. They didn't blow the pipeline through ukriane that Russia pays billions for, clearly it would make all the sense to blow that one.

3. Forced use of ns2 is stupid all the baltic lines are off now.

They ones getting the most money are us lng exporters therefore by following the money that's who benefited from and blew up their competitors.

Posted by: Drive by | Sep 19 2023 19:39 utc | 64

Norpol...

Posted by: theo | Sep 19 2023 19:25 utc | 63

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Voldolf the white-nosed renter
Had a very shiny nose
And if you ever saw it
You would even say it glows

:D

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 19 2023 19:47 utc | 65

Posted by: Drive by | Sep 19 2023 19:39 utc | 66

Yes the old pipeline with the stupid contact was destroyed....like I said
They instantly offered to get NS2 going......
The sanctions drove up prices, care to guess how much the gas could be resold for out of NS1?

Neither you or I know who did what,
I am just saying Russia got out of stupid contracts and having to sell dirt cheap energy to the enemy and they 100% look like the victims. Do not underestimate how sneaky the Russians roll.
They have over half the planet seeing them as the “good guys” while they invade the neighbors. That’s a tough sell they are pulling off.

On a side note The US and Ukraine army heads met today.
The US said something about them and their coalition are not looking at just 1 campaign in Ukraine but other campaigns bringing safety to Europe and beyond.
Sounds like big plans to go world warring.
8 minute mark

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nibx_TnXWUg

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 20:20 utc | 66

There was a drone- attack in Romania that the government denied the first day, then they admitted tha attack
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 19 2023 17:57 utc | 50

No, no one called it attack. Nato itself denied any attack. Only Ukr said Russian drones fell over the border. Romania did't see anything. Then about 1-2 days later photos of some parts appeared, somewhere near border they said. As far as I know there wasn't any other info provided, not even that it's 100% a Russian drone, they assumed it's Russian. However, the drone found in Bulgaria later was an Ukr drone, photos of the entire thing were provided. Romania invented a story to kiss ass and for msm induced panic, but to me it seems nato didn't like it very much.

Posted by: rk | Sep 19 2023 20:21 utc | 67

Are the knives out to cut the liar to size?
Posted by b on September 19, 2023 at 15:02 UTC | Permalink
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The whole media, including russophobic Polish outlets like Visegrad24 and Nexta where completely synchronized reporting this news, so it was clearly the official party line. Biden/Sullivan/Blinken want to memory hole Ukraine, and they clearly gave Zelensky till November to take Tokmak. Now they see that ain't happening so shot-across-the-bow for Zelensky.
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Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2023 15:29 utc | 4
Must be true; even the Guardian are reporting it:
Posted by: Themanwhofelltoearth | Sep 19 2023 17:04 utc | 39
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...to undermine Elensky's US tour and speech to the UN.
Timing is everything and Elensky is going under the bus.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 19 2023 15:34 utc | 7
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so the close down provides more evidence that the offensive is defacto over.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 19 2023 19:26 utc | 64
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I agree that the end is getting much nearer and the election much closer.

NYT is the official organ of Blinken's DoS. Always keep that in mind.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 19 2023 20:38 utc | 68

@Nobody #52

"Here in Germany it is an open secret that the Biden administration is responsible for the terrorist attacks against Nord Stream. It is solely up to Washington to explain where it has the audacity to commit an act of war against Germany that deliberately targets the economic heart of our nation."

Now you will be required to break economic ties with your biggest export market China. The share of the US market you are allowed to retain should be enough for you.

Posted by: BillB | Sep 19 2023 20:42 utc | 69

rk | Sep 19 2023 20:21 utc | 69
>… Errant drone debris in Romania.
The precision of the Russian attacks on the Ukrainian grain facilities at the Danube port, immediately across the river and metres from the Romanian border convinced the Romanians (and a few others) if the Russians *wanted* to hit anything in Romania… they could and would.
Everyone understands by now Ukrainian operatives could and would place drone fragments in Romania and blame Russia.
Increasingly, USNATO seems to me like that internet meme of two dogs putting on a great show of aggression either side of a gate. When it slides open, and the dogs are face to face, no barrier….Errr. Instant behaviour change. Barking and teeth display evaporates.
Everyone in USNATO knows they aren’t going to go kinetic with Russia over a dubious drone fragment in Romania.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 19 2023 20:46 utc | 70

Thank you for the reply trubind1. All we have are opinions given we observe events at various degrees of separation and through imperfect lenses. You may be right.

Ideally there will be a sudden outbreak of sanity and acceptable if not ideal conditions can be agreed that benefit everyone and allow the species some sustainability. Who am I kidding. It would take an alien invasion to forge unity.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2023 20:49 utc | 71

Now for a NYT article about all the apartment buildings ‘targeted by Russia’ using S300 missiles modified to be be ground to ground versions because the Russians have been running out of missiles on a daily basis since early March 2022, according to Ukrainian and Western spin. And Tochka-U mishaps in Donetsk, where the U stands for Ukrainian. Or actual targeting of apartment buildings by the Nazis.

Posted by: Webej | Sep 19 2023 21:04 utc | 72

Here in Germany it is an open secret that the Biden administration is responsible for the terrorist attacks against Nord Stream. Posted by: Nobody | Sep 19 2023 18:04 utc | 52

I’ve been surprised how many laughs just saying “Who blew up Nord Stream?!” gets here in Australia. Young, old, stupid, smart, racist, friendly, whatever… haven’t found a crowd that didn’t find it funny.

Posted by: Rae | Sep 19 2023 21:16 utc | 73

Blinken didnt appreciate the gift . He is a top tier butcher, and prefers to not have to wash his hands after wet work

Posted by: hankster | Sep 19 2023 21:27 utc | 74

The latest drone washed up on a Romanian beach turned out to be a Ukrainian one, i guess Ukroids were hoping no one could tell the difference

Posted by: hankster | Sep 19 2023 21:32 utc | 75

"Do not underestimate how sneaky the Russians roll."

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 20:20 utc | 68
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You must be one of those nazzzies ..i mean western Ukies from Canada. What was the name of the German regiment your grandfather served in?

Posted by: Preki | Sep 19 2023 21:35 utc | 76

In the city of Sambor, Lviv region, Ukraine, a couple of territorial recruitment center employees somehow could not agree with an unwilling conscript about his voluntary burial. Other, more weighty arguments were used.
https://t.me/MilitaryThemeZ/10223

Kudos to the actor, Biden, VdL, Baerbock, Borrell, Michel and all the other privileged costume wearing scum of the earth.

Posted by: xor | Sep 19 2023 21:40 utc | 77

It’s okay. As the NYTimes suggests it was just a "tragic mishap” rather than an act of terrorism. Only Russians have the terrorist missile model.

Posted by: WG | Sep 19 2023 21:41 utc | 78

The Polish president just compared Ukraine/Zelensky to a drowning person, which can easily pull his rescuer to the depths if the rescuer is not careful.

Remember the earlier interview with a Polish mercenary who said the aim of Poland is to collapse Ukraine economically and take the west of it without resistance? Seems where it's going. It could definitely lead to the Kiev region becoming a third state within Ukraine, probably acting as the neutral buffer.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2023 21:42 utc | 79

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2023 21:42 utc | 81

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I imagine that a Kiev region would not have sufficient landmass to be an effective buffer state.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 21:48 utc | 80

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 21:48 utc | 82

It could be some sort of expanded Kiev region... but a tingly feeling that something will happen pretty soon. The Poles are making some funky moves which are definitely not advantageous to Ukraine as a state. The Polish economy may also be suffering from the demise of Germany (EU) to the extent that they are pulling out their helping hand and getting to business re. western Ukraine. It's been long in the making.

Once Poland makes their move in the west, there could be a new regime taking over the majority part of rest of Ukraine. Nato must be desperate about frozen conflict because once things finally snap and disintegrate, things can not be put back together and US will lose control over 80% of the country.

But definitely more in end game stage than in mid game?

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2023 21:56 utc | 81

Do not underestimate how sneaky the Russians roll."

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 20:20 utc | 68
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You must be one of those nazzzies ..i mean western Ukies from Canada. What was the name of the German regiment your grandfather served in?

Posted by: Preki | Sep 19 2023 21:35 utc | 78

Being sneaky in war is a compliment and my grand pappy served for the Canadian armed forces smashing those Nazi turds so watch your mouth fool

Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 19 2023 21:58 utc | 82

Nobody | Sep 19 2023 18:04 utc | 52

Im Prinzip bin ich bei Dir, aber du betrachtest nur die halbe Wahrheit
(was man dir zeigt)

Nordstream 1 hatte 2 Leitungen
* 1 Leitung wurde von Russland benutzt
* 1 Leitung war offen für andere Versorger

Nordstream 2 hatte auch 2 Leitungen
* 1 Leitung sollte von Russland benutzt werden
* 1 Leitung sollte offen für andere Versorger bleiben

- NS2 sollte NS1 ersetzen
( Russland hätte nur eine Leitung von NS1 oder NS2 benutzen können und genau eine Leitung ist noch intakt )

Suche den Fehler und du wirst etwas finden!

NUR der Anschlag hat eigentlich NICHTS bewirkt,
andere Kräfte haben den Gasfluß gestopt (?ist er wirklich zu 100% gestopt?)

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Nordstream 1 had 2 pipelines.
* 1 pipeline was used by Russia
* 1 pipeline was open to other utilities

Nordstream 2 also had 2 pipelines
* 1 pipeline should be used by Russia
* 1 pipeline should remain open to other utilities

- NS2 should replace NS1
(Russia could have used only one pipeline of NS1 or NS2 and exactly one pipeline is still intact)

Look for the error and you will find something!

The attack did NOT have any effect something else stop the gas...


the Ostsea is to small and there are to many countrys alround, and evry country there dislike the other countrys.
AND in evry country you have there civil fans ( airplanfans, shipfans, earthquakefans, tourist, .... )

After such a blow (same earthquake) every country, every uninvolved country (military/seagards/police) would have reacted immediately and send a ship, a plane there. Immediately

We get any infos?

Posted by: theo | Sep 19 2023 21:58 utc | 83

This BUK story stinks like "at least blame something Russian". In fact the 9M38 missile has a self deactivation mechanism of the warhead once it loses its target, when the "radar lighting" of it is not present anymore. It is highly unlikely that it goes off near the surface, while this is the default mode of the HARM warhead, intended to suppress ground targets.

Of course, something may have gone wrong with the 9M38, but then it would be a multiple failure, not only taking the wrong and highkly unusual trajectory, but then igniting the warhead without having homing of an aircraft.

Posted by: aquadraht | Sep 19 2023 21:59 utc | 84

Tear down Stoltenberg with Zelensky, please.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 19 2023 15:40 utc | 11

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Friend, your disdain and disgust with any particular individual is the plan. You can blame Zelensky, or Biden, or Nuland, or Stoltenberg, and it won't matter.

The only reason any of these avatars exist is to give us someone to focus on. Someone whose removal won't change a damn thing in the big picture.

Behind Trump is another Boomer. Behind Biden is another Clinton. Behind Zelensky is another Budanov. Behind Macron is another banker, and so on, and so forth.

Btw Euro friends, why are most of your leaders childless (no skin in the game regarding the future) and from the banking cartels? Coincidence or catastrophe? At least in the Americas, people pay lip service to family and kin.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 22:04 utc | 85

Being sneaky in war is a compliment and my grand pappy served for the Canadian armed forces smashing those Nazi turds so watch your mouth fool

Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 19 2023 21:58 utc | 84

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Would he be proud of your support for Azov and Right Sector today?

We're supposed to honor our ancestors, not piss on their sacrifices. But then, that is the Western way, isn't it? No respect for anything, nothing transcendent, nothing sacred.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 22:06 utc | 86

However, the drone found in Bulgaria later was an Ukr drone, photos of the entire thing were provided. Romania invented a story to kiss ass and for msm induced panic, but to me it seems nato didn't like it very much.

Posted by: rk | Sep 19 2023 20:21 utc | 69

Nato-sjef Jens Stoltenberg skriver på X/Twitter om funnet av dronerestene i Romania, at det er ingen indikasjon på at det er en intensjon om å ramme Nato, men at funnene kan virke destabiliserende

Nato-boss jens Stoltenberg writes at X about the drones casualties in Romainia, no indication that this was a intention to hit Nato, but could lead to destabalilty.

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 19 2023 22:11 utc | 87

If Z goes down doesn't Biden go with him?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 19 2023 16:10 utc | 25

Maybe Biden and/or his handlers have decided he can no longer represent a cogent human being and won't run again, in which case Z is up the creek as whoever rises without trace to run for the Dems will not want the skid mark of Ukraine smeared across their campaign platform.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 19 2023 22:11 utc | 88

If you can access the NY Times, I suggest you read some of the comments to this article.

Holey smokes, the many are outright attacking this unusually well researched article and whining about the truth, saying it supports that Putin fella with the horns sticking out of his head.

So the NY Times and other MSM go full spectrum propaganda for months on end, and suddenly, out of the blue, some begin to inform their victims, that the people whose word they took as gospel for 18 months aren't all that reliable after all.

The withdrawal symptoms appear to be most acute judging by the comments to the article.

But it's worse even than that actually, as the NY Times won't take any responsibility for being a carrier of said propaganda and reject any comments that even dare to ask 'their' people if they prefer the truth or do they prefer propaganda that makes them feel better about their non critical thinking and encourages them to pursue a carefully crafted illusion. Like say, Afghanistan, or Iraq. But hey what does a $2 trillion budget deficit and a 4.3% 10 year treasury bond rate matter when you're cock of the walk?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/federal-budget-deficit-expected-to-nearly-double-to-around-2-trillion-government-watchdog-says/ar-AA1giXUg

Bit off topic from above, but I don't think I've ever heard the once head of another super duper spy agency anywhere in the world say; "We lied, we cheated, we stole". Was he bragging, or just rum dumb? Serious citizens of a serious country would want to know wouldn't they?

Lastly, for those who think El Donaldo Trumpenstein is a fine fellow, he was the one picked that dick.

Actually one other thing, Trudeau vs. Modi should garner more attention. Some media reported words were exchanged at the G 20 meet and greet and most of the words came from Modi. Other reports say Biden was lecturing the lad who stood quietly while old Joe the company man gave him the what for. No idea what that was about. Maybe that oil pipeline to the west coast of Canada? That is NOT in 'Merica's best interests. Dunno, just spitballing. Canadian oil sells at a $20 per barrel discount because the only place they can sell is to 'Murica.

Western Canuckistani's say 'Set my oil free!' But they associate more with America than they do with the ROCanada. It's a long story and there's no time for such things now given WAR is the order of the day.

And an old combat veteran weeps alone in the night.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 19 2023 22:12 utc | 89

The perfect timing of this NYT story to coincide with Zelensky's (and also Biden's!) talk to the General Assembly does not plausibly seem happenstance: some faction in the great Wurlitzer starts to vibrate erratically. To what, exactly, can we attribute such a spurt of relative accuracy from the gray lady? Inquiring minds yearn to know.

Patrick Lawrence writes of Biden's ongoing fall, coinciding with Zelensky's:

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/09/19/patrick-lawrence-the-question-about-biden/

Lawrence invokes, as the bridge-too-far sealing Zelensky's doom, his incredible threat to the boys upstairs, (as printed in The Economist last week):

Curtailing aid to Ukraine will only prolong the war, Mr. Zelensky argues. And it would create risks for the West in its own backyard. There is no way of predicting how the millions of Ukrainian refugees in European countries would react to their country being abandoned. Ukrainians have generally ‘behaved well’ and are ‘very grateful’ to those who sheltered them. They will not forget that generosity. But it would not be a ‘good story’ for Europe if it were to ‘drive these people into a corner.’

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 19 2023 22:17 utc | 90

There was a picture from UN general assembly about the audience during Zelensky's speech. Apparently the crowd wasn't very large and seemed most part bored looking, or simply even casually talking with each other. Africans certainly look amused.

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1704201354556887222/photo/2

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2023 22:21 utc | 91

There's more to story as they grounded everything with...
paddy,
If(autopilot uses gps)&&(R|C can hack gps)
Then Steering gps' true north baseline = plane owned

"Theoritically" would need two things available today.
1) Emp the cockpit electronic boards into unhandled exceptions loop. which could put the plane automajically into autopilot, if the plane faults, a safety backup feature?

2) 'gps spoof' plane from satellite or ground base.
Since autopilot under gps guidance, (with no USA gps-backup signal available), reprogramming true norths baseline remotely, is same as steering a plane, just steering the multi polarity *pun. A spoofed signal could steer autopilot, glide it down, maybe another emp to shut engines off and glide it in.

Once the pilot understood the plane was "steering itself", he called command, and bailed out.

The hack could be legal, if example, the plane were over cuban airspace enforcing the blockade, taking photos of the new bases, an area of extreme importance currently, and given the operation location within base distance, type of plane used. Maybe cuba still uses security people with binoculars. On-board system wasn't talking to faa, it was turned off,maybe for a mission. Also the crash site, no pics. The test would be if they do it again proving conclusivity and stupidity.also isn't Iran's navy in the area...blockade authority falls under navy, and the planes would be marine, which aligns with current issue

Posted by: Whisker | Sep 19 2023 22:23 utc | 92

Behind Trump is another Boomer. Behind Biden is another Clinton. Behind Zelensky is another Budanov. Behind Macron is another banker, and so on, and so forth.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 22:04 utc | 87

Yep, and you’ll find all those in / on the Council on Foreign Relations:

https://swprs.org/the-american-empire-and-its-media/

Posted by: Zet | Sep 19 2023 22:27 utc | 93

The BRICS Commodity Powerhouse: Can It Force a New Economic ‘Order’? by Alastair Crooke, Emma Olive Selecttion from an Indie Mind, September 18, 2023

But for the sake of clarity, it was not the downplaying of Ukraine that marks the ‘watershed’. The shift on Ukraine – now consolidated within a wider U.S. Ukraine policy-switch – was very important but not primordial.

The ‘primordial’ was that the collective Non-West was able to coalesce around their urgent demand for radical reform of the global system. They want change in the global economic architecture; they contest the structures (i.e. the voting systems that lie behind those institutional structures such as the WTO, the World Bank and the IMF) – and above all they object to the weaponised dollar hegemony.

Posted by: António Ferrão | Sep 19 2023 22:34 utc | 94

ChatNPC | Sep 19 2023 22:11 utc | 90
Thanks for the chortle @ your nom de guerre.
Your comments thus far, indicate you’re not a bot, nor a barflea.
Welcome.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 19 2023 22:37 utc | 95

bubbles | Sep 19 2023 22:12 utc | 91

cognitive dissonance is the most common affliction of u$$a liberals, neocons, covidiots, democrats, and antifa supports.

their world view is immutable!

they knew kabul would not be overrun by the taliban in biden's term!

Posted by: paddy | Sep 19 2023 22:52 utc | 96

We're supposed to honor our ancestors, not piss on their sacrifices. But then, that is the Western way, isn't it? No respect for anything, nothing transcendent, nothing sacred.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2023 22:06 utc | 88

I have no idea WTF your talking about or why. I hope you grow up and stop trying to harass others but I am guessing you are way to “cool” for that.
God forbid Russia did something. I guess you think operation freedom is honest from one side and not the other.

Russia and the US started the war, this is a merchant war and both sides are forcing the Ukies to fight at gunpoint both sides flooded the place with Nazi’s to justify what they have done.
Both sides kill civilians and both sides are throwing bombs onto the heads of children. All sides are run by straight up war criminals that would kill 1000 people cut your head off and throw your body in the middle of the mess saying you did it.
There is no good vrs evil it’s all a crime and fucking shameful behavior. These guys publicly brag about the murder and mayhem and no leader in any country gives two fucks about any of us.
I see no need to defend this war from any side, I see both sides being able to justify and rationalize what they so don’t even bother with your pro death propaganda bullshit. The Russians would burn you alive and film it if they thought it would prove a point or send a message so would the Ukies

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 19 2023 22:54 utc | 97

"Bit off topic from above, but I don't think I've ever heard the once head of another super duper spy agency anywhere in the world say; "We lied, we cheated, we stole". Was he bragging, or just rum dumb?"

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 19 2023 22:12 utc | 91

I think what you have there is an example of the 'meanest SOB in the valley' syndrome. The enemy is bad but we are REALLY bad. It plays well in some circles.

Posted by: dh | Sep 19 2023 23:00 utc | 98

this document is what needs to be spread around, "Financial Statements of the United States Government for the Fiscal Years Ended September 30, 2022, and 2021" that show total net equity at the end of 2022 to be (34,061.2) or negative $34,061,200,000,000 with assets being merely $4,962,400,000,000. any "normal" entity having such a balance sheet would be declared bankrupt.
Thank you for this link karlof1, as always you contribute substance. It's almost unfathomable the depth of the deception the Western media is engaged in, covering up the ongoing failure cascade.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2023 23:00 utc | 99

@Trubind1 | 8

"I know many believe US on verge of “bankruptcy”… it’s ridiculously far from the truth, do they want the “economy” to “scream”… yes, but all this is so far manufactured for many reasons. Anyways, seems some things are accelerating is all I’m saying."

Bankruptcy would be that more and more countries decline to accept dollars in payment for goods or decline to purchase US debt. We do seem to be a good ways from that calamity. But banking and all banking based money is both a confidence game and a game of who is holding the bag.

Confidence can disappear very quickly especially when the banker does things like stealing depositors money.

The game will certainly go on, but the end point out in the future is no longer decades. At the current pace it could be 10 years. Just a blink of the eye.

Posted by: danf51 | Sep 19 2023 23:03 utc | 100

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