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September 13, 2023
More Voices Call On Biden To Withdraw From The 2024 Race

The Democrats have a Biden problem:

I do not know who is supposed to manage Biden's public relations but whoever that is is doing a bad job.

The strategists for the Democratic Party and those concerned with winning elections should seriously think about replacing Biden with someone who is better at handling himself.

It is going to get worse:

Speaker Kevin McCarthy on Tuesday directed top congressional Republicans to open an impeachment inquiry into President Biden, reversing his previous stance that such an investigation should be initiated only with a vote of the House.

In doing so, Mr. McCarthy leveled a series of accusations against Mr. Biden that he said amounted to a “picture of a culture of corruption” and warranted the House using its most potent investigative tool to try to make the case for removing the president.

The impeachment proceedings, like those against Donald Trump, are mostly a public relation gimmick. But they are also likely to show that the Biden family business is as corrupt as they come.

The British establishment, largely on the Democrats side, is clearly concerned.

The Economist predicts that:

Hunter Biden’s woes, and a new impeachment saga, will go on and on

Yet although Mr Comer’s investigation is failing to prove the existence of what Donald Trump calls the “Biden crime family”, congressional inquiries will now multiply.

Indeed, the younger Mr Biden’s legal problems are intensifying. On September 6th prosecutors serving under David Weiss, the special counsel investigating Hunter, announced that they expect an indictment by the end of the month. The president’s son is likely to be charged with not paying taxes and lying on a form when buying a gun at a time when he was addicted to crack cocaine. A plea deal that would have kept him out of jail on those charges fell apart in July. And other, more damaging charges—such as lobbying for a foreign government without registering—have not been ruled out.

None of that implicates the president. Yet he may suffer for it nonetheless. According to a CNN poll, three-fifths of Americans think Mr Biden was involved in his son’s business. Pump out enough smoke and you might create fire.

The CIA's influence peddler and Washington Post columnist David Ignatius is the latest establishment voice to warn of a likely defeat of Biden should he decide to keep running:

President Biden should not run again in 2024

Like the Economist writers Ignatius is as friendly to Democrats as they come. The CIA and FBI had both intervened after the election of Donald Trump. They launched Russiagate, a series of fake stories, to hamper Trump's ability to govern and to get Biden elected. That its senior management has commissioned Ignatius to call on Biden to give up can be understood as a warning.

Ignatius names two points that put Biden's reelection into jeopardy:

Biden would carry two big liabilities into a 2024 campaign. He would be 82 when he began a second term. According to a recent Associated Press-NORC poll, 77 percent of the public, including 69 percent of Democrats, think he’s too old to be effective for four more years. Biden’s age isn’t just a Fox News trope; it’s been the subject of dinner-table conversations across America this summer.

Because of their concerns about Biden’s age, voters would sensibly focus on his presumptive running mate, Harris. She is less popular than Biden, with a 39.5 percent approval rating, according to polling website FiveThirtyEight. Harris has many laudable qualities, but the simple fact is that she has failed to gain traction in the country or even within her own party.

Biden at least should get rid of Harris who is a bit of a millstone to popularity:

Biden could encourage a more open vice-presidential selection process that could produce a stronger running mate.

Ignatius goes on to ask Biden to step down and to immediately announce that he will not be available for another round:

Biden has never been good at saying no. He should have resisted the choice of Harris, who was a colleague of his beloved son Beau when they were both state attorneys general. He should have blocked then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan, which has done considerable damage to the island’s security. He should have stopped his son Hunter from joining the board of a Ukrainian gas company and representing companies in China — and he certainly should have resisted Hunter’s attempts to impress clients by getting Dad on the phone.

Biden has another chance to say no — to himself, this time — by withdrawing from the 2024 race. It might not be in character for Biden, but it would be a wise choice for the country.

I doubt that Joe Biden, or the people around him, will follow that advice. They are too full of themselves to voluntarily make room for others. It will require more intervention, probably from former president Obama, to convince Biden to give up.

Or someone could create some 'medical emergency'. That should not be too difficult given Biden's general condition and age.

Anyway. If the Democrats want to keep the presidency, something needs to be done.

Comments

Biden was never intended to run again.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Sep 13 2023 15:21 utc | 1

Biden was never intended to run again.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Sep 13 2023 15:21 utc | 2

Who in the wings would be a viable replacement? This is the party’s problem.

Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 13 2023 15:24 utc | 3

Who in the wings would be a viable replacement? This is the party’s problem.

Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 13 2023 15:24 utc | 4

The plan is to instal Michelle Obama. Would voters like her is a different question? Would the elections be fair and democratic?

Posted by: AI | Sep 13 2023 15:26 utc | 5

The plan is to instal Michelle Obama. Would voters like her is a different question? Would the elections be fair and democratic?

Posted by: AI | Sep 13 2023 15:26 utc | 6

Michael Obama will get the Democrat nomination – it ticks all the boxes,

Posted by: Phalanges | Sep 13 2023 15:26 utc | 7

Michael Obama will get the Democrat nomination – it ticks all the boxes,

Posted by: Phalanges | Sep 13 2023 15:26 utc | 8

thanks b… i am not sure anything is going to be done about this… what with the politicizing of the judicial and etc. etc. – this coming election, if it happens, will prove to be quite fascinating..

Posted by: james | Sep 13 2023 15:31 utc | 9

thanks b… i am not sure anything is going to be done about this… what with the politicizing of the judicial and etc. etc. – this coming election, if it happens, will prove to be quite fascinating..

Posted by: james | Sep 13 2023 15:31 utc | 10

Biden will win again no matter how unpopular he gets.

Posted by: catdog | Sep 13 2023 15:35 utc | 11

Biden will win again no matter how unpopular he gets.

Posted by: catdog | Sep 13 2023 15:35 utc | 12

Thanks for the posting b
We have matching corruption soap operas exposing the Red and Blue for the criminals they are. All within a magical Hollywood movie script to keep the masses enthralled and ignorant of the geopolitical war going on outside the Western bubble.
I keep posting that the world is going to change so much before the 2024 (s)election that speculation now is wasted time and effort…….is a new president going to be the one who “surrenders” or will it happen before then?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 13 2023 15:38 utc | 13

Thanks for the posting b
We have matching corruption soap operas exposing the Red and Blue for the criminals they are. All within a magical Hollywood movie script to keep the masses enthralled and ignorant of the geopolitical war going on outside the Western bubble.
I keep posting that the world is going to change so much before the 2024 (s)election that speculation now is wasted time and effort…….is a new president going to be the one who “surrenders” or will it happen before then?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 13 2023 15:38 utc | 14

Before the Democrat’s Azov proxies there have been hundreds of others , mostly worse than Azov including the extreme right wing Islamic State which Obama stated publicly he had created to secure local geopolitical interests ( the flow of oil from Northern Iraq ).
If in fact thatcwas not Obama’s creation , does anybody think Michelle Obama will be tougher against using terrorist proxies than her husband.
USUKIS is incorrigible evil and corrupt. The Democrat bloodsucking Hillary Clinton is the most famous and Libya is a disaster of Islamist ignorance, created by torture rendition brainwashing by the West.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 13 2023 15:40 utc | 15

Before the Democrat’s Azov proxies there have been hundreds of others , mostly worse than Azov including the extreme right wing Islamic State which Obama stated publicly he had created to secure local geopolitical interests ( the flow of oil from Northern Iraq ).
If in fact thatcwas not Obama’s creation , does anybody think Michelle Obama will be tougher against using terrorist proxies than her husband.
USUKIS is incorrigible evil and corrupt. The Democrat bloodsucking Hillary Clinton is the most famous and Libya is a disaster of Islamist ignorance, created by torture rendition brainwashing by the West.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 13 2023 15:40 utc | 16

zh has a piece up about rfk thinking about running as an independent. It claims that it would be the end of all democrat hopes for 2024.
I am not so sure about that. Wouldnt rfk take a lot of trump voters too? The dems seem to be the party of believers in the system and a candidate like rfk doesnt appeal to them. Is there anybody here who has a better view on this scenario?

Posted by: Orgel | Sep 13 2023 15:43 utc | 17

zh has a piece up about rfk thinking about running as an independent. It claims that it would be the end of all democrat hopes for 2024.
I am not so sure about that. Wouldnt rfk take a lot of trump voters too? The dems seem to be the party of believers in the system and a candidate like rfk doesnt appeal to them. Is there anybody here who has a better view on this scenario?

Posted by: Orgel | Sep 13 2023 15:43 utc | 18

I doubt that Joe Biden, or the people around him, will follow that advice.

Why is this being discussed? Biden is physically unable to function TODAY, and will not be able to be a candidate next year. Everybody knows that, this is theater.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 13 2023 15:50 utc | 19

I doubt that Joe Biden, or the people around him, will follow that advice.

Why is this being discussed? Biden is physically unable to function TODAY, and will not be able to be a candidate next year. Everybody knows that, this is theater.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 13 2023 15:50 utc | 20

Bidet committed to having a “black” – Kamala Harris is about as black as I am – female vice president. So if he wants to replace Harris it’ll have to be with another black or “black” woman.
Even if Bidet runs and – despite mail in ballots and by now routine electoral fraud – loses, so what? Nothing will change and even Putin said as much in Vladivostok.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 13 2023 15:51 utc | 21

Bidet committed to having a “black” – Kamala Harris is about as black as I am – female vice president. So if he wants to replace Harris it’ll have to be with another black or “black” woman.
Even if Bidet runs and – despite mail in ballots and by now routine electoral fraud – loses, so what? Nothing will change and even Putin said as much in Vladivostok.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 13 2023 15:51 utc | 22

Note that in all the jabbering about Biden needing to step aside there’s no discussion of who he should step aside for. It seems rather clear that the Donors don’t want Biden and can dump him at the Convention but would rather do so before hand to continue the illusion of democracy at the federal level.
As for the Rs, they must cast a wide net in their Biden Impeachment to sully as many Ds as possible to eliminate them as potential replacements. And then of course, there’s their own camp to consider–they don’t want Trump, but he’s still #1 with many as I see here during my visit to the South.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 13 2023 16:03 utc | 23

Note that in all the jabbering about Biden needing to step aside there’s no discussion of who he should step aside for. It seems rather clear that the Donors don’t want Biden and can dump him at the Convention but would rather do so before hand to continue the illusion of democracy at the federal level.
As for the Rs, they must cast a wide net in their Biden Impeachment to sully as many Ds as possible to eliminate them as potential replacements. And then of course, there’s their own camp to consider–they don’t want Trump, but he’s still #1 with many as I see here during my visit to the South.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 13 2023 16:03 utc | 24

Biden can’t run: he can hardly walk. Or talk.
The MICIMATT has a problem. They look already terrible outside their own PR bubble, and sly sleepy Joe will only make it worse. 90% of Americans can do better but might not be so pliable, s-extorable or affordable.

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 13 2023 16:03 utc | 25

Biden can’t run: he can hardly walk. Or talk.
The MICIMATT has a problem. They look already terrible outside their own PR bubble, and sly sleepy Joe will only make it worse. 90% of Americans can do better but might not be so pliable, s-extorable or affordable.

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 13 2023 16:03 utc | 26

zh has a piece up about rfk thinking about running as an independent. It claims that it would be the end of all democrat hopes for 2024.
I am not so sure about that. Wouldnt rfk take a lot of trump voters too? The dems seem to be the party of believers in the system and a candidate like rfk doesnt appeal to them. Is there anybody here who has a better view on this scenario?
Posted by: Orgel | Sep 13 2023 15:43 utc | 9

RFK Jr would peel away more Democrat than Republican voters. He’s unlikely to gain the Democrat nomination, since the Democrat leadership have proven beyond a doubt that they will use fair or foul means to ensure the ‘selected’ candidate lands on the ballot. So, running as Independent is RFK Jr’s only chance of having a (very narrow) shot at the White House – but, he is more likely to just end up splitting the Democrat vote.

Posted by: Monos | Sep 13 2023 16:04 utc | 27

zh has a piece up about rfk thinking about running as an independent. It claims that it would be the end of all democrat hopes for 2024.
I am not so sure about that. Wouldnt rfk take a lot of trump voters too? The dems seem to be the party of believers in the system and a candidate like rfk doesnt appeal to them. Is there anybody here who has a better view on this scenario?
Posted by: Orgel | Sep 13 2023 15:43 utc | 9

RFK Jr would peel away more Democrat than Republican voters. He’s unlikely to gain the Democrat nomination, since the Democrat leadership have proven beyond a doubt that they will use fair or foul means to ensure the ‘selected’ candidate lands on the ballot. So, running as Independent is RFK Jr’s only chance of having a (very narrow) shot at the White House – but, he is more likely to just end up splitting the Democrat vote.

Posted by: Monos | Sep 13 2023 16:04 utc | 28

I love that “bit of a millstone.”

Posted by: Michael Doliner | Sep 13 2023 16:06 utc | 29

I love that “bit of a millstone.”

Posted by: Michael Doliner | Sep 13 2023 16:06 utc | 30

Doesn’t anybody remember Biden’s last election when he just hid in his basement? He will run, there will be no debates, Kamala, Bernie and AOC will do his campaigning for him, the media will comply and you will not hear a negative word, and even if nobody actually votes for him he will win anyway,

Posted by: JustAMaverick | Sep 13 2023 16:08 utc | 31

Doesn’t anybody remember Biden’s last election when he just hid in his basement? He will run, there will be no debates, Kamala, Bernie and AOC will do his campaigning for him, the media will comply and you will not hear a negative word, and even if nobody actually votes for him he will win anyway,

Posted by: JustAMaverick | Sep 13 2023 16:08 utc | 32

If Biden steps aside early then there will have to be a primary. Is the DNC even ready for that? They wouldn’t organize one and let RFK on stage for a debate. Does Michelle want to be forced into a long primary and the potential hit her brand could take?

Posted by: Sam B | Sep 13 2023 16:08 utc | 33

If Biden steps aside early then there will have to be a primary. Is the DNC even ready for that? They wouldn’t organize one and let RFK on stage for a debate. Does Michelle want to be forced into a long primary and the potential hit her brand could take?

Posted by: Sam B | Sep 13 2023 16:08 utc | 34

My prediction is that Biden will be dead before the next election – but he will run and win anyway. The shortly after inauguration it will be announced that he has sadly passed on the the VP gets to be the big guy.

Posted by: Tim | Sep 13 2023 16:14 utc | 35

My prediction is that Biden will be dead before the next election – but he will run and win anyway. The shortly after inauguration it will be announced that he has sadly passed on the the VP gets to be the big guy.

Posted by: Tim | Sep 13 2023 16:14 utc | 36

Is there anybody here who has a better view on this scenario?
Posted by: Orgel | Sep 13 2023 15:43 utc | 9
RFK–He is my choice. The strong democrats are terrified of him or just plain won’t mention his name, if you go by sites like commondreams.org. He marches more to his own drumbeat. He went out on a limb and opposed COVID vaccines but somehow got his family vaccinated. Has a waffled on a few other things. He is indeed halfway between the Dems and Reps so running Independent might work for him, especially with the Kennedy name.
Independents often run seemingly to just promote certain agenda on their platforms. RFK is more than this.

Posted by: HelenB | Sep 13 2023 16:17 utc | 37

Is there anybody here who has a better view on this scenario?
Posted by: Orgel | Sep 13 2023 15:43 utc | 9
RFK–He is my choice. The strong democrats are terrified of him or just plain won’t mention his name, if you go by sites like commondreams.org. He marches more to his own drumbeat. He went out on a limb and opposed COVID vaccines but somehow got his family vaccinated. Has a waffled on a few other things. He is indeed halfway between the Dems and Reps so running Independent might work for him, especially with the Kennedy name.
Independents often run seemingly to just promote certain agenda on their platforms. RFK is more than this.

Posted by: HelenB | Sep 13 2023 16:17 utc | 38

This country is inexorably becoming a failed state. Old Joe will be the democratic horse in the race. As lame as ever. With that phony vice president to back him if he has an aneurysm or something. Look at all the old fossils displaying terminal signs of aging in government. As our country’s equivalence to the Titanic sinks, the band plays Auld Lang Syne.

Posted by: Rick E | Sep 13 2023 16:21 utc | 39

This country is inexorably becoming a failed state. Old Joe will be the democratic horse in the race. As lame as ever. With that phony vice president to back him if he has an aneurysm or something. Look at all the old fossils displaying terminal signs of aging in government. As our country’s equivalence to the Titanic sinks, the band plays Auld Lang Syne.

Posted by: Rick E | Sep 13 2023 16:21 utc | 40

-B-
I respect that you and others find merit still in “Elections” of the US. For me, back I the Gore/Bush it was over. I believe that 2020 was the most “blatant” rigging ever done.
Since I do wholly believe the 2020 election was “rigged”,
I’ve looked for “evidence” of corrections. Corrections that would assure all of the citizens the corruption was eliminated. Or at least made accountable for 2024 stringent compliance.
I see no evidence of any legal or practical corrections made or being made.
Therefore, for myself, the “candidates” are a circus act.
I can’t “really” believe in opposing views. Either the Country vote rigs for desired outcome, or it is a vote by ballot democracy and adheres to outcome of “the people”.
I’ve plenty of 2020 “evidence” to believe there’s more than a “possibility” of vote rigging again.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 13 2023 16:22 utc | 41

-B-
I respect that you and others find merit still in “Elections” of the US. For me, back I the Gore/Bush it was over. I believe that 2020 was the most “blatant” rigging ever done.
Since I do wholly believe the 2020 election was “rigged”,
I’ve looked for “evidence” of corrections. Corrections that would assure all of the citizens the corruption was eliminated. Or at least made accountable for 2024 stringent compliance.
I see no evidence of any legal or practical corrections made or being made.
Therefore, for myself, the “candidates” are a circus act.
I can’t “really” believe in opposing views. Either the Country vote rigs for desired outcome, or it is a vote by ballot democracy and adheres to outcome of “the people”.
I’ve plenty of 2020 “evidence” to believe there’s more than a “possibility” of vote rigging again.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 13 2023 16:22 utc | 42

The American Presidency has been a complete shitshow for over thirty years. This commenter has nothing good to say about earlier holders of the office beyond that at least one might imagine they were presidential. Ronald Reagan was just a B actor, but he was at least as good at the president role as was Martin Sheen. None of the last 5 were ever serious people at all. George W was the inspiration for Bluto Blutarsky. Obama a gay crackhead with a spouse who invites the Mike remark.
It will not get any better. Karen Bass? Really? Well why not.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 13 2023 16:23 utc | 43

The American Presidency has been a complete shitshow for over thirty years. This commenter has nothing good to say about earlier holders of the office beyond that at least one might imagine they were presidential. Ronald Reagan was just a B actor, but he was at least as good at the president role as was Martin Sheen. None of the last 5 were ever serious people at all. George W was the inspiration for Bluto Blutarsky. Obama a gay crackhead with a spouse who invites the Mike remark.
It will not get any better. Karen Bass? Really? Well why not.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 13 2023 16:23 utc | 44

@ HelenB | Sep 13 2023 16:17 utc | 18 who wrote

He went out on a limb and opposed COVID vaccines but somehow got his family vaccinated.

More information please. This is only contradictory if the family took mRNA jabs as the vaccination you refer to…..link please
We know COVID can be harmful and various countries have developed REAL vaccines against it.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 13 2023 16:24 utc | 45

@ HelenB | Sep 13 2023 16:17 utc | 18 who wrote

He went out on a limb and opposed COVID vaccines but somehow got his family vaccinated.

More information please. This is only contradictory if the family took mRNA jabs as the vaccination you refer to…..link please
We know COVID can be harmful and various countries have developed REAL vaccines against it.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 13 2023 16:24 utc | 46

Wouldn’t it be ironic if the strongest candidates of both parties get forced off the ballot by party insiders?
I am for RFKJ but did vote twice for Trump.
Yep, another boring romantic, that’s me.

Posted by: morongobill | Sep 13 2023 16:26 utc | 47

Wouldn’t it be ironic if the strongest candidates of both parties get forced off the ballot by party insiders?
I am for RFKJ but did vote twice for Trump.
Yep, another boring romantic, that’s me.

Posted by: morongobill | Sep 13 2023 16:26 utc | 48

Ignatius:

He should have resisted the choice of Harris, who was a colleague of his beloved son Beau when they were both state attorneys general. He should have blocked then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan, which has done considerable damage to the island’s security. He should have stopped his son Hunter from joining the board of a Ukrainian gas company and representing companies in China — and he certainly should have resisted Hunter’s attempts to impress clients by getting Dad on the phone.

Of course, Ignatius doesn’t mention the crime to which Biden himself has publicly confessed: namely, threatening to withhold $1 bn in aid to the Ukraine unless Poroshenko fires the General Prosecutor of the Ukraine, Viktor Shokin, who was investigating that very Ukrainian gas company that Biden’s son Hunter was on the board of (without having any qualifications whatsover for occupying that position).

Posted by: S | Sep 13 2023 16:26 utc | 49

Ignatius:

He should have resisted the choice of Harris, who was a colleague of his beloved son Beau when they were both state attorneys general. He should have blocked then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan, which has done considerable damage to the island’s security. He should have stopped his son Hunter from joining the board of a Ukrainian gas company and representing companies in China — and he certainly should have resisted Hunter’s attempts to impress clients by getting Dad on the phone.

Of course, Ignatius doesn’t mention the crime to which Biden himself has publicly confessed: namely, threatening to withhold $1 bn in aid to the Ukraine unless Poroshenko fires the General Prosecutor of the Ukraine, Viktor Shokin, who was investigating that very Ukrainian gas company that Biden’s son Hunter was on the board of (without having any qualifications whatsover for occupying that position).

Posted by: S | Sep 13 2023 16:26 utc | 50

I’m gobsmacked by the Economist magazine’s casual lying. Everything about Hunter Biden implicates his father.
“Empire of Lies” is too kind a phrase to describe the power structure in the Anglo-Saxon world.

Posted by: Richard York | Sep 13 2023 16:30 utc | 51

I’m gobsmacked by the Economist magazine’s casual lying. Everything about Hunter Biden implicates his father.
“Empire of Lies” is too kind a phrase to describe the power structure in the Anglo-Saxon world.

Posted by: Richard York | Sep 13 2023 16:30 utc | 52

Coke or Pepsi? What difference does it make? New wine in old bottles.
https://www.coca-colacompany.com/about-us/history/new-coke-the-most-memorable-marketing-blunder-ever
New coke’s blunder has been eclipsed by the bud-light fiasco.
Yet maybe. Just maybe a criminal prosecution will send a leading politician to jail. I don’t care who. I’d just like to see it happen.
A little blood in the water and the sharks will turn on themselves.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 53

Coke or Pepsi? What difference does it make? New wine in old bottles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke
New coke’s blunder has been eclipsed by the bud-light fiasco.
Yet maybe. Just maybe a criminal prosecution will send a leading politician to jail. I don’t care who. I’d just like to see it happen.
A little blood in the water and the sharks will turn on themselves.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 54

I don’t know how Gavin Newsom will come to be at the top of the ticket without a real primary but, that’s what’s going to happen.
Perhaps, Biden pushes out Harris as VP, putting Gavin in her place and then resigns after the convention closes…dunno what DNCers have cooked up but, watching all the mental gymnastics required to achieve the required rationalization should be both gut wrenching and entertaining.
Two points, Gavin Newsom has proven himself sufficiently craven and feckless to meet DNC standards and with Faux News giving Gavin it’s seal of approval on Hannity I think we can all rest assured, the fix is in !

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 55

There wouldn’t be much point in RFK Jr’s running as an independent. The Dim Party would have little trouble keeping him off the ballot in the states they control — heck, the Greens can’t get on the ballot in some states — and among those states that offer write-in options (not all of them do), not all bother to count write-in votes.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 56

Coke or Pepsi? What difference does it make? New wine in old bottles.
https://www.coca-colacompany.com/about-us/history/new-coke-the-most-memorable-marketing-blunder-ever
New coke’s blunder has been eclipsed by the bud-light fiasco.
Yet maybe. Just maybe a criminal prosecution will send a leading politician to jail. I don’t care who. I’d just like to see it happen.
A little blood in the water and the sharks will turn on themselves.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 57

I’m gobsmacked by the Economist magazine’s casual lying. Everything about Hunter Biden implicates his father.
“Empire of Lies” is too kind a phrase to describe the power structure in the Anglo-Saxon world.

Posted by: Richard York | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 58

Coke or Pepsi? What difference does it make? New wine in old bottles.
https://www.coca-colacompany.com/about-us/history/new-coke-the-most-memorable-marketing-blunder-ever
New coke’s blunder has been eclipsed by the bud-light fiasco.
Yet maybe. Just maybe a criminal prosecution will send a leading politician to jail. I don’t care who. I’d just like to see it happen.
A little blood in the water and the sharks will turn on themselves.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 59

Coke or Pepsi? What difference does it make? New wine in old bottles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke
New coke’s blunder has been eclipsed by the bud-light fiasco.
Yet maybe. Just maybe a criminal prosecution will send a leading politician to jail. I don’t care who. I’d just like to see it happen.
A little blood in the water and the sharks will turn on themselves.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 60

I don’t know how Gavin Newsom will come to be at the top of the ticket without a real primary but, that’s what’s going to happen.
Perhaps, Biden pushes out Harris as VP, putting Gavin in her place and then resigns after the convention closes…dunno what DNCers have cooked up but, watching all the mental gymnastics required to achieve the required rationalization should be both gut wrenching and entertaining.
Two points, Gavin Newsom has proven himself sufficiently craven and feckless to meet DNC standards and with Faux News giving Gavin it’s seal of approval on Hannity I think we can all rest assured, the fix is in !

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 61

There wouldn’t be much point in RFK Jr’s running as an independent. The Dim Party would have little trouble keeping him off the ballot in the states they control — heck, the Greens can’t get on the ballot in some states — and among those states that offer write-in options (not all of them do), not all bother to count write-in votes.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 62

Coke or Pepsi? What difference does it make? New wine in old bottles.
https://www.coca-colacompany.com/about-us/history/new-coke-the-most-memorable-marketing-blunder-ever
New coke’s blunder has been eclipsed by the bud-light fiasco.
Yet maybe. Just maybe a criminal prosecution will send a leading politician to jail. I don’t care who. I’d just like to see it happen.
A little blood in the water and the sharks will turn on themselves.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 63

I’m gobsmacked by the Economist magazine’s casual lying. Everything about Hunter Biden implicates his father.
“Empire of Lies” is too kind a phrase to describe the power structure in the Anglo-Saxon world.

Posted by: Richard York | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 64

I don’t know why we can’t simply point out his extreme dementia (he is in a pitiful condition). In 2020 it was already a huge problem but it was nothing like now. It isn’t even rude to say that someone like this should not be in charge of a country (also rapidly disintegrating). How polite do we have to keep on being? This is disaster for everyone who lives on the planet, though no one believes his Vice-President has any judgment either. They were placed there to defend certain corporate interests, and the fact that they couldn’t do better than them tells us that these are completely desperate people who just want keep the peasants at bay and at any cost for as long as possible. Across the whole of the West we just see these incompetent, narcissistic clowns in office, devoid of humanity or acumen. They are like the bad monarchs and emperors of the feudal era. Everyone knows this really.

Posted by: John Stne | Sep 13 2023 16:47 utc | 65

I don’t know why we can’t simply point out his extreme dementia (he is in a pitiful condition). In 2020 it was already a huge problem but it was nothing like now. It isn’t even rude to say that someone like this should not be in charge of a country (also rapidly disintegrating). How polite do we have to keep on being? This is disaster for everyone who lives on the planet, though no one believes his Vice-President has any judgment either. They were placed there to defend certain corporate interests, and the fact that they couldn’t do better than them tells us that these are completely desperate people who just want keep the peasants at bay and at any cost for as long as possible. Across the whole of the West we just see these incompetent, narcissistic clowns in office, devoid of humanity or acumen. They are like the bad monarchs and emperors of the feudal era. Everyone knows this really.

Posted by: John Stne | Sep 13 2023 16:47 utc | 66

The Democrat candidate will be chosen at the Convention.
Nancy Pelosi is running again; ergo her nephew Newsome will be that candidate.
The GOP will remove DJT as soon as a guilty verdict is delivered – reversed on appeal later but the damage will have been done.
The Uniparty Establishment’s over-riding priority is to ensure that no ‘Deep State’ buster gets in exposing decades of High Crimes, including Obama et alia’s many seditions. (This is why DJT – and Flynn – freaked them out first time around.)
Their motivation is to cover up not actually govern.
The American citizenry must muster the gumption to insist on better choices, better policies and verifiable election results. It’s not too late; it never is.
To this end a Third Party uniting both left and right in the middle would garner a landslide.
If both RFJ Jr and DJT, having each been rejected by their respective Uniparty wing, could meet in that middle, there is no way Sleazy Joe or anyone else could credibly win. Trump the first four years, RFJ Jr the next eight. They could save the Republic that way.
Otherwise, it is very much, as someone above says, a circus. I think of it now as ‘A Reality TV Republic’.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 13 2023 16:48 utc | 67

The Democrat candidate will be chosen at the Convention.
Nancy Pelosi is running again; ergo her nephew Newsome will be that candidate.
The GOP will remove DJT as soon as a guilty verdict is delivered – reversed on appeal later but the damage will have been done.
The Uniparty Establishment’s over-riding priority is to ensure that no ‘Deep State’ buster gets in exposing decades of High Crimes, including Obama et alia’s many seditions. (This is why DJT – and Flynn – freaked them out first time around.)
Their motivation is to cover up not actually govern.
The American citizenry must muster the gumption to insist on better choices, better policies and verifiable election results. It’s not too late; it never is.
To this end a Third Party uniting both left and right in the middle would garner a landslide.
If both RFJ Jr and DJT, having each been rejected by their respective Uniparty wing, could meet in that middle, there is no way Sleazy Joe or anyone else could credibly win. Trump the first four years, RFJ Jr the next eight. They could save the Republic that way.
Otherwise, it is very much, as someone above says, a circus. I think of it now as ‘A Reality TV Republic’.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 13 2023 16:48 utc | 68

There is something very wrong with getting acess to this site today. It is obviously under several heavy attacks by state inspired organisations.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 13 2023 16:53 utc | 69

There is something very wrong with getting acess to this site today. It is obviously under several heavy attacks by state inspired organisations.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 13 2023 16:53 utc | 70

Michelle Obama has repeatedly said she’s not interested. She has personal reasons for not wanting that sort of spotlight.
I don’t know why the Dems can’t pull Amy Klobuchar or Elizabeth Warren back. Harris is an international laughing stock, at least Biden has his past association with Obama to grant him some status, but Harris is obviously in way over here head.
I don’t know how the Dems could run Gavin Newsom. The attack ads write themselves. The man also has learning disabilities and is unable to read, apparently, not that it matters I suppose. He’s in the Pelosi clan, he’s tall, and good looking, and so they must figure he could play the part.

Posted by: sideshow_bob | Sep 13 2023 16:55 utc | 71

Michelle Obama has repeatedly said she’s not interested. She has personal reasons for not wanting that sort of spotlight.
I don’t know why the Dems can’t pull Amy Klobuchar or Elizabeth Warren back. Harris is an international laughing stock, at least Biden has his past association with Obama to grant him some status, but Harris is obviously in way over here head.
I don’t know how the Dems could run Gavin Newsom. The attack ads write themselves. The man also has learning disabilities and is unable to read, apparently, not that it matters I suppose. He’s in the Pelosi clan, he’s tall, and good looking, and so they must figure he could play the part.

Posted by: sideshow_bob | Sep 13 2023 16:55 utc | 72

Power at all costs. At the cost of life. At the cost of innocence. At the cost of sanity.
It’s a mental illness that has always afflicted us. And we seem to elevate those of us who are most susceptible to it.
Management of power is necessary. Power without responsibility always leads to tragedy.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 17:00 utc | 73

Power at all costs. At the cost of life. At the cost of innocence. At the cost of sanity.
It’s a mental illness that has always afflicted us. And we seem to elevate those of us who are most susceptible to it.
Management of power is necessary. Power without responsibility always leads to tragedy.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 17:00 utc | 74

RFK Jr could only be promoted by people on here that have themselves very selective confirmation bias – RFK Jr had a son fighting with Nazis in the Ukraine, and he has already made a fool of himself when groveling for AIPAC support.
Do some sleuthing about RFK Jr and he looks at best like a Manchurian candidate.

Posted by: Peter Camenzind | Sep 13 2023 17:06 utc | 75

RFK Jr could only be promoted by people on here that have themselves very selective confirmation bias – RFK Jr had a son fighting with Nazis in the Ukraine, and he has already made a fool of himself when groveling for AIPAC support.
Do some sleuthing about RFK Jr and he looks at best like a Manchurian candidate.

Posted by: Peter Camenzind | Sep 13 2023 17:06 utc | 76

Predicting American politics has increasingly become a mugs game. Take the rise of El Donaldo Trumpenstein to the highest office in the land for example.
The Man, the Myth, the Legend…The not so long ago attention whore and fave of the likes of David Pecker et al. Head man at the National Enquirer for those who didn’t know or forgot in this time of raging inputs and assaults on the logical mind.
They, the very people and orgs, whose shrill cries voicing their horror at the very thought of it, of Trump as Presidential candidate and they were heard around the world, the so called Liberal media, provided The Donald with free media exposure that would have cost a YUGE sum of money.
I won’t offer an estimate of what the final figure might be as that would only be spit balling and serious minded people try their best to avoid doing that sort of thing.
And then, WHOOP!, there it was. So who really got The Donald elected and for what purpose? Who controls the media (MSM) would be the first place I would look
One thing they have accomplished however, is a very successful divide and conquer outcome. You haven’t seen anymore Occupy Wall St. type movements since the original one now have you?

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 13 2023 17:07 utc | 77

Predicting American politics has increasingly become a mugs game. Take the rise of El Donaldo Trumpenstein to the highest office in the land for example.
The Man, the Myth, the Legend…The not so long ago attention whore and fave of the likes of David Pecker et al. Head man at the National Enquirer for those who didn’t know or forgot in this time of raging inputs and assaults on the logical mind.
They, the very people and orgs, whose shrill cries voicing their horror at the very thought of it, of Trump as Presidential candidate and they were heard around the world, the so called Liberal media, provided The Donald with free media exposure that would have cost a YUGE sum of money.
I won’t offer an estimate of what the final figure might be as that would only be spit balling and serious minded people try their best to avoid doing that sort of thing.
And then, WHOOP!, there it was. So who really got The Donald elected and for what purpose? Who controls the media (MSM) would be the first place I would look
One thing they have accomplished however, is a very successful divide and conquer outcome. You haven’t seen anymore Occupy Wall St. type movements since the original one now have you?

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 13 2023 17:07 utc | 78

“If the Democrats want to keep the presidency, something needs to be done.”
The Democrats plan to keep the presidency. They have their political machine in place, their extensive ballot harvesting operations, their voting machines fixed so they malfunction at the right time and place, their operators in place, their billions to buy candidates, and their courts to condemn the innocent so people are afraid of being found non-compliant.
They really don’t care if it is Biden or John Fetterman or Kamala Harris. They don’t care if the candidate is capable or well-liked. They don’t care what the ordinary people of this country need or want because they are the “elites” who know best what the US needs. The people must be controlled and fed propaganda and drugs of all types so they are compliant.
The US must have billions for “green energy” companies so there is no cheap energy any longer. The US must have billions for wars and regime changes around the world so the US stays chief hegemon in the world and their multinational corporations remain rich enough to buy more candidates. Burn out the residents of Maui who don’t want to sell to the elites. Promote the invasion of the borders of the US by the dross of the world to bring chaos and instability.

Posted by: Belle | Sep 13 2023 17:10 utc | 79

“If the Democrats want to keep the presidency, something needs to be done.”
The Democrats plan to keep the presidency. They have their political machine in place, their extensive ballot harvesting operations, their voting machines fixed so they malfunction at the right time and place, their operators in place, their billions to buy candidates, and their courts to condemn the innocent so people are afraid of being found non-compliant.
They really don’t care if it is Biden or John Fetterman or Kamala Harris. They don’t care if the candidate is capable or well-liked. They don’t care what the ordinary people of this country need or want because they are the “elites” who know best what the US needs. The people must be controlled and fed propaganda and drugs of all types so they are compliant.
The US must have billions for “green energy” companies so there is no cheap energy any longer. The US must have billions for wars and regime changes around the world so the US stays chief hegemon in the world and their multinational corporations remain rich enough to buy more candidates. Burn out the residents of Maui who don’t want to sell to the elites. Promote the invasion of the borders of the US by the dross of the world to bring chaos and instability.

Posted by: Belle | Sep 13 2023 17:10 utc | 80

If voting made any difference it would be illegal

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 13 2023 17:14 utc | 81

If voting made any difference it would be illegal

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 13 2023 17:14 utc | 82

Power at all costs. At the cost of life. At the cost of innocence. At the cost of sanity.
It’s a mental illness that has always afflicted us. And we seem to elevate those of us who are most susceptible to it.
Management of power is necessary. Power without responsibility always leads to tragedy.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 17:18 utc | 83

Power at all costs. At the cost of life. At the cost of innocence. At the cost of sanity.
It’s a mental illness that has always afflicted us. And we seem to elevate those of us who are most susceptible to it.
Management of power is necessary. Power without responsibility always leads to tragedy.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 17:18 utc | 84

Voting doesn’t matter anymore; withhold your consent

Posted by: Exile | Sep 13 2023 17:20 utc | 85

Voting doesn’t matter anymore; withhold your consent

Posted by: Exile | Sep 13 2023 17:20 utc | 86

In the face of the absolute unfair and undemocratic practices of the DNC, and their efforts at defamation succeed with DNC partial voters.. RFK will pull most of his open minded support from Republicans and disenfranchised voters. More than enough unless something very special is cooked up. Within the DNCprimary killzone, there is no chance. They dont even care about getting votes, that is obvious and informative.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Sep 13 2023 17:20 utc | 87

In the face of the absolute unfair and undemocratic practices of the DNC, and their efforts at defamation succeed with DNC partial voters.. RFK will pull most of his open minded support from Republicans and disenfranchised voters. More than enough unless something very special is cooked up. Within the DNCprimary killzone, there is no chance. They dont even care about getting votes, that is obvious and informative.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Sep 13 2023 17:20 utc | 88

Posted by: Belle | Sep 13 2023 17:10 utc | 40
“If the Democrats want to keep the presidency, something needs to be done.”
The Democrats plan to keep the presidency.
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Substitute the word ‘establishment’ for Democrat and it would be more accurate, thusly:
If the Establishment wants to keep the presidency, something needs to be done.”
The Establishment plans to keep the presidency.

Democrat or Republican, makes no difference. Establishment or Reformer-Outsider, that’s what matters.
=============================================
I don’t trust or believe etc. but this guy has clear, original ideas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SPk-s_FUgM
‘I Ching say’:
This candidate has ideas that could change the entire nation including all its people at the Heaven/Vision/Spirit/leadership level. He sees the country well, and will in turn be seen by the citizenry, so his ideas will prove influential. Even Trump has praised him already. Nothing to say about winning or losing.
[2-5,6 > 20]

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 13 2023 17:22 utc | 89

Posted by: Belle | Sep 13 2023 17:10 utc | 40
“If the Democrats want to keep the presidency, something needs to be done.”
The Democrats plan to keep the presidency.
=====================================================
Substitute the word ‘establishment’ for Democrat and it would be more accurate, thusly:
If the Establishment wants to keep the presidency, something needs to be done.”
The Establishment plans to keep the presidency.

Democrat or Republican, makes no difference. Establishment or Reformer-Outsider, that’s what matters.
=============================================
I don’t trust or believe etc. but this guy has clear, original ideas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SPk-s_FUgM
‘I Ching say’:
This candidate has ideas that could change the entire nation including all its people at the Heaven/Vision/Spirit/leadership level. He sees the country well, and will in turn be seen by the citizenry, so his ideas will prove influential. Even Trump has praised him already. Nothing to say about winning or losing.
[2-5,6 > 20]

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 13 2023 17:22 utc | 90

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 13 2023 17:14 utc | 41
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They did the next best thing. Sold people a moral mythology that the elites control. That way they don’t have to get their hands obviously dirty and risk pushback. Now, everyone is “proud” to vote. To do their “duty”. Basically, to certify the sham that it is by being active participants.
And like so many other narratives, young children are bathed in this nonsense as early as they can put them under government “education”.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 17:24 utc | 91

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 13 2023 17:14 utc | 41
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They did the next best thing. Sold people a moral mythology that the elites control. That way they don’t have to get their hands obviously dirty and risk pushback. Now, everyone is “proud” to vote. To do their “duty”. Basically, to certify the sham that it is by being active participants.
And like so many other narratives, young children are bathed in this nonsense as early as they can put them under government “education”.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 17:24 utc | 92

“Empire of Lies” is too kind a phrase to describe the power structure in the Anglo-Saxon world.
Posted by: Richard York | Sep 13 2023 16:30 utc | 25
While “too kind”, it conveys the point without resorting to obscenities. Both parts are accurate, and address important aspects.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 13 2023 17:24 utc | 93

“Empire of Lies” is too kind a phrase to describe the power structure in the Anglo-Saxon world.
Posted by: Richard York | Sep 13 2023 16:30 utc | 25
While “too kind”, it conveys the point without resorting to obscenities. Both parts are accurate, and address important aspects.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 13 2023 17:24 utc | 94

Michele Obama reminds me of Barak, the foreclosure king, who according to David Dayen in the Aug 2016 issue of Atlantic Mo., foreclosed on 9.3 million homes, and evicted some 20-30 million people. I cannot vote for another Obama.

Posted by: Ken | Sep 13 2023 17:30 utc | 95

Michele Obama reminds me of Barak, the foreclosure king, who according to David Dayen in the Aug 2016 issue of Atlantic Mo., foreclosed on 9.3 million homes, and evicted some 20-30 million people. I cannot vote for another Obama.

Posted by: Ken | Sep 13 2023 17:30 utc | 96

Biden could be replaced by another aging leader; by a young up-and-coming mediagenic leader; or by you, dear reader. It hardly matters.
Policy is made by tenured officials behind the president. The American ship of state continues on its course, independent of who is voted into office.
They act, and create facts on the ground. And while we’re studying those facts they’ll act again, creating other new facts, which we can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. They are history’s actors. And we, all of us, are left to just study what they do.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 13 2023 17:30 utc | 97

Biden could be replaced by another aging leader; by a young up-and-coming mediagenic leader; or by you, dear reader. It hardly matters.
Policy is made by tenured officials behind the president. The American ship of state continues on its course, independent of who is voted into office.
They act, and create facts on the ground. And while we’re studying those facts they’ll act again, creating other new facts, which we can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. They are history’s actors. And we, all of us, are left to just study what they do.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 13 2023 17:30 utc | 98

I don’t know why all you people want to replace Biden. Biden is the best advertisement yet created to show how dysfunctional the US government apparatus is. However, if Biden is actually unable to function even to the extent of speaking to a question card on his hands and knees – which would be acceptable to me, the next best thing would be Kamala Harris, who as someone has commented above, is a ‘laughing stock’.
Laughing stocks are what we need in the US Presidency, in order to hasten the decline of the ‘Evil Empire’ Vote for Kamala.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Sep 13 2023 17:32 utc | 99

I don’t know why all you people want to replace Biden. Biden is the best advertisement yet created to show how dysfunctional the US government apparatus is. However, if Biden is actually unable to function even to the extent of speaking to a question card on his hands and knees – which would be acceptable to me, the next best thing would be Kamala Harris, who as someone has commented above, is a ‘laughing stock’.
Laughing stocks are what we need in the US Presidency, in order to hasten the decline of the ‘Evil Empire’ Vote for Kamala.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Sep 13 2023 17:32 utc | 100