More Voices Call On Biden To Withdraw From The 2024 Race
The Democrats have a Biden problem:
I do not know who is supposed to manage Biden's public relations but whoever that is is doing a bad job.The strategists for the Democratic Party and those concerned with winning elections should seriously think about replacing Biden with someone who is better at handling himself.
It is going to get worse:
Speaker Kevin McCarthy on Tuesday directed top congressional Republicans to open an impeachment inquiry into President Biden, reversing his previous stance that such an investigation should be initiated only with a vote of the House.In doing so, Mr. McCarthy leveled a series of accusations against Mr. Biden that he said amounted to a “picture of a culture of corruption” and warranted the House using its most potent investigative tool to try to make the case for removing the president.
The impeachment proceedings, like those against Donald Trump, are mostly a public relation gimmick. But they are also likely to show that the Biden family business is as corrupt as they come.
The British establishment, largely on the Democrats side, is clearly concerned.
The Economist predicts that:
Hunter Biden’s woes, and a new impeachment saga, will go on and on
Yet although Mr Comer’s investigation is failing to prove the existence of what Donald Trump calls the “Biden crime family”, congressional inquiries will now multiply.
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Indeed, the younger Mr Biden’s legal problems are intensifying. On September 6th prosecutors serving under David Weiss, the special counsel investigating Hunter, announced that they expect an indictment by the end of the month. The president’s son is likely to be charged with not paying taxes and lying on a form when buying a gun at a time when he was addicted to crack cocaine. A plea deal that would have kept him out of jail on those charges fell apart in July. And other, more damaging charges—such as lobbying for a foreign government without registering—have not been ruled out.None of that implicates the president. Yet he may suffer for it nonetheless. According to a CNN poll, three-fifths of Americans think Mr Biden was involved in his son’s business. Pump out enough smoke and you might create fire.
The CIA's influence peddler and Washington Post columnist David Ignatius is the latest establishment voice to warn of a likely defeat of Biden should he decide to keep running:
President Biden should not run again in 2024
Like the Economist writers Ignatius is as friendly to Democrats as they come. The CIA and FBI had both intervened after the election of Donald Trump. They launched Russiagate, a series of fake stories, to hamper Trump's ability to govern and to get Biden elected. That its senior management has commissioned Ignatius to call on Biden to give up can be understood as a warning.
Ignatius names two points that put Biden's reelection into jeopardy:
Biden would carry two big liabilities into a 2024 campaign. He would be 82 when he began a second term. According to a recent Associated Press-NORC poll, 77 percent of the public, including 69 percent of Democrats, think he’s too old to be effective for four more years. Biden’s age isn’t just a Fox News trope; it’s been the subject of dinner-table conversations across America this summer.
Because of their concerns about Biden’s age, voters would sensibly focus on his presumptive running mate, Harris. She is less popular than Biden, with a 39.5 percent approval rating, according to polling website FiveThirtyEight. Harris has many laudable qualities, but the simple fact is that she has failed to gain traction in the country or even within her own party.
Biden at least should get rid of Harris who is a bit of a millstone to popularity:
Biden could encourage a more open vice-presidential selection process that could produce a stronger running mate.
Ignatius goes on to ask Biden to step down and to immediately announce that he will not be available for another round:
Biden has never been good at saying no. He should have resisted the choice of Harris, who was a colleague of his beloved son Beau when they were both state attorneys general. He should have blocked then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan, which has done considerable damage to the island’s security. He should have stopped his son Hunter from joining the board of a Ukrainian gas company and representing companies in China — and he certainly should have resisted Hunter’s attempts to impress clients by getting Dad on the phone.Biden has another chance to say no — to himself, this time — by withdrawing from the 2024 race. It might not be in character for Biden, but it would be a wise choice for the country.
I doubt that Joe Biden, or the people around him, will follow that advice. They are too full of themselves to voluntarily make room for others. It will require more intervention, probably from former president Obama, to convince Biden to give up.
Or someone could create some 'medical emergency'. That should not be too difficult given Biden's general condition and age.
Anyway. If the Democrats want to keep the presidency, something needs to be done.
Posted by b on September 13, 2023 at 15:13 UTC | Permalink
next page »Who in the wings would be a viable replacement? This is the party's problem.
Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 13 2023 15:24 utc | 2
The plan is to instal Michelle Obama. Would voters like her is a different question? Would the elections be fair and democratic?
Posted by: AI | Sep 13 2023 15:26 utc | 3
thanks b... i am not sure anything is going to be done about this... what with the politicizing of the judicial and etc. etc. - this coming election, if it happens, will prove to be quite fascinating..
Posted by: james | Sep 13 2023 15:31 utc | 5
Thanks for the posting b
We have matching corruption soap operas exposing the Red and Blue for the criminals they are. All within a magical Hollywood movie script to keep the masses enthralled and ignorant of the geopolitical war going on outside the Western bubble.
I keep posting that the world is going to change so much before the 2024 (s)election that speculation now is wasted time and effort.......is a new president going to be the one who "surrenders" or will it happen before then?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 13 2023 15:38 utc | 7
Before the Democrat's Azov proxies there have been hundreds of others , mostly worse than Azov including the extreme right wing Islamic State which Obama stated publicly he had created to secure local geopolitical interests ( the flow of oil from Northern Iraq ).
If in fact thatcwas not Obama's creation , does anybody think Michelle Obama will be tougher against using terrorist proxies than her husband.
USUKIS is incorrigible evil and corrupt. The Democrat bloodsucking Hillary Clinton is the most famous and Libya is a disaster of Islamist ignorance, created by torture rendition brainwashing by the West.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 13 2023 15:40 utc | 8
zh has a piece up about rfk thinking about running as an independent. It claims that it would be the end of all democrat hopes for 2024.
I am not so sure about that. Wouldnt rfk take a lot of trump voters too? The dems seem to be the party of believers in the system and a candidate like rfk doesnt appeal to them. Is there anybody here who has a better view on this scenario?
Posted by: Orgel | Sep 13 2023 15:43 utc | 9
I doubt that Joe Biden, or the people around him, will follow that advice.Why is this being discussed? Biden is physically unable to function TODAY, and will not be able to be a candidate next year. Everybody knows that, this is theater.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 13 2023 15:50 utc | 10
Bidet committed to having a "black" - Kamala Harris is about as black as I am - female vice president. So if he wants to replace Harris it'll have to be with another black or "black" woman.
Even if Bidet runs and - despite mail in ballots and by now routine electoral fraud - loses, so what? Nothing will change and even Putin said as much in Vladivostok.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 13 2023 15:51 utc | 11
Note that in all the jabbering about Biden needing to step aside there's no discussion of who he should step aside for. It seems rather clear that the Donors don't want Biden and can dump him at the Convention but would rather do so before hand to continue the illusion of democracy at the federal level.
As for the Rs, they must cast a wide net in their Biden Impeachment to sully as many Ds as possible to eliminate them as potential replacements. And then of course, there's their own camp to consider--they don't want Trump, but he's still #1 with many as I see here during my visit to the South.
Biden can't run: he can hardly walk. Or talk.
The MICIMATT has a problem. They look already terrible outside their own PR bubble, and sly sleepy Joe will only make it worse. 90% of Americans can do better but might not be so pliable, s-extorable or affordable.
Posted by: Antonym | Sep 13 2023 16:03 utc | 13
zh has a piece up about rfk thinking about running as an independent. It claims that it would be the end of all democrat hopes for 2024.I am not so sure about that. Wouldnt rfk take a lot of trump voters too? The dems seem to be the party of believers in the system and a candidate like rfk doesnt appeal to them. Is there anybody here who has a better view on this scenario?
Posted by: Orgel | Sep 13 2023 15:43 utc | 9
RFK Jr would peel away more Democrat than Republican voters. He's unlikely to gain the Democrat nomination, since the Democrat leadership have proven beyond a doubt that they will use fair or foul means to ensure the 'selected' candidate lands on the ballot. So, running as Independent is RFK Jr's only chance of having a (very narrow) shot at the White House - but, he is more likely to just end up splitting the Democrat vote.
Posted by: Monos | Sep 13 2023 16:04 utc | 14
Doesn't anybody remember Biden's last election when he just hid in his basement? He will run, there will be no debates, Kamala, Bernie and AOC will do his campaigning for him, the media will comply and you will not hear a negative word, and even if nobody actually votes for him he will win anyway,
Posted by: JustAMaverick | Sep 13 2023 16:08 utc | 16
If Biden steps aside early then there will have to be a primary. Is the DNC even ready for that? They wouldn't organize one and let RFK on stage for a debate. Does Michelle want to be forced into a long primary and the potential hit her brand could take?
Posted by: Sam B | Sep 13 2023 16:08 utc | 17
My prediction is that Biden will be dead before the next election - but he will run and win anyway. The shortly after inauguration it will be announced that he has sadly passed on the the VP gets to be the big guy.
Posted by: Tim | Sep 13 2023 16:14 utc | 18
Is there anybody here who has a better view on this scenario?
Posted by: Orgel | Sep 13 2023 15:43 utc | 9
RFK--He is my choice. The strong democrats are terrified of him or just plain won't mention his name, if you go by sites like commondreams.org. He marches more to his own drumbeat. He went out on a limb and opposed COVID vaccines but somehow got his family vaccinated. Has a waffled on a few other things. He is indeed halfway between the Dems and Reps so running Independent might work for him, especially with the Kennedy name.
Independents often run seemingly to just promote certain agenda on their platforms. RFK is more than this.
Posted by: HelenB | Sep 13 2023 16:17 utc | 19
This country is inexorably becoming a failed state. Old Joe will be the democratic horse in the race. As lame as ever. With that phony vice president to back him if he has an aneurysm or something. Look at all the old fossils displaying terminal signs of aging in government. As our country's equivalence to the Titanic sinks, the band plays Auld Lang Syne.
Posted by: Rick E | Sep 13 2023 16:21 utc | 20
-B-
I respect that you and others find merit still in “Elections” of the US. For me, back I the Gore/Bush it was over. I believe that 2020 was the most “blatant” rigging ever done.
Since I do wholly believe the 2020 election was “rigged”,
I’ve looked for “evidence” of corrections. Corrections that would assure all of the citizens the corruption was eliminated. Or at least made accountable for 2024 stringent compliance.
I see no evidence of any legal or practical corrections made or being made.
Therefore, for myself, the “candidates” are a circus act.
I can’t “really” believe in opposing views. Either the Country vote rigs for desired outcome, or it is a vote by ballot democracy and adheres to outcome of “the people”.
I’ve plenty of 2020 “evidence” to believe there’s more than a “possibility” of vote rigging again.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 13 2023 16:22 utc | 21
The American Presidency has been a complete shitshow for over thirty years. This commenter has nothing good to say about earlier holders of the office beyond that at least one might imagine they were presidential. Ronald Reagan was just a B actor, but he was at least as good at the president role as was Martin Sheen. None of the last 5 were ever serious people at all. George W was the inspiration for Bluto Blutarsky. Obama a gay crackhead with a spouse who invites the Mike remark.
It will not get any better. Karen Bass? Really? Well why not.
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 13 2023 16:23 utc | 22
@ HelenB | Sep 13 2023 16:17 utc | 18 who wrote
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He went out on a limb and opposed COVID vaccines but somehow got his family vaccinated.
"
More information please. This is only contradictory if the family took mRNA jabs as the vaccination you refer to.....link please
We know COVID can be harmful and various countries have developed REAL vaccines against it.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 13 2023 16:24 utc | 23
Wouldn't it be ironic if the strongest candidates of both parties get forced off the ballot by party insiders?
I am for RFKJ but did vote twice for Trump.
Yep, another boring romantic, that's me.
Posted by: morongobill | Sep 13 2023 16:26 utc | 24
Ignatius:
He should have resisted the choice of Harris, who was a colleague of his beloved son Beau when they were both state attorneys general. He should have blocked then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan, which has done considerable damage to the island’s security. He should have stopped his son Hunter from joining the board of a Ukrainian gas company and representing companies in China — and he certainly should have resisted Hunter’s attempts to impress clients by getting Dad on the phone.
Of course, Ignatius doesn’t mention the crime to which Biden himself has publicly confessed: namely, threatening to withhold $1 bn in aid to the Ukraine unless Poroshenko fires the General Prosecutor of the Ukraine, Viktor Shokin, who was investigating that very Ukrainian gas company that Biden’s son Hunter was on the board of (without having any qualifications whatsover for occupying that position).
Posted by: S | Sep 13 2023 16:26 utc | 25
I'm gobsmacked by the Economist magazine's casual lying. Everything about Hunter Biden implicates his father.
"Empire of Lies" is too kind a phrase to describe the power structure in the Anglo-Saxon world.
Posted by: Richard York | Sep 13 2023 16:30 utc | 26
Coke or Pepsi? What difference does it make? New wine in old bottles.
https://www.coca-colacompany.com/about-us/history/new-coke-the-most-memorable-marketing-blunder-ever
New coke's blunder has been eclipsed by the bud-light fiasco.
Yet maybe. Just maybe a criminal prosecution will send a leading politician to jail. I don't care who. I'd just like to see it happen.
A little blood in the water and the sharks will turn on themselves.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 27
Coke or Pepsi? What difference does it make? New wine in old bottles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke
New coke's blunder has been eclipsed by the bud-light fiasco.
Yet maybe. Just maybe a criminal prosecution will send a leading politician to jail. I don't care who. I'd just like to see it happen.
A little blood in the water and the sharks will turn on themselves.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 28
I don't know how Gavin Newsom will come to be at the top of the ticket without a real primary but, that's what's going to happen.
Perhaps, Biden pushes out Harris as VP, putting Gavin in her place and then resigns after the convention closes...dunno what DNCers have cooked up but, watching all the mental gymnastics required to achieve the required rationalization should be both gut wrenching and entertaining.
Two points, Gavin Newsom has proven himself sufficiently craven and feckless to meet DNC standards and with Faux News giving Gavin it's seal of approval on Hannity I think we can all rest assured, the fix is in !
Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 29
There wouldn’t be much point in RFK Jr’s running as an independent. The Dim Party would have little trouble keeping him off the ballot in the states they control — heck, the Greens can’t get on the ballot in some states — and among those states that offer write-in options (not all of them do), not all bother to count write-in votes.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 30
Coke or Pepsi? What difference does it make? New wine in old bottles.
https://www.coca-colacompany.com/about-us/history/new-coke-the-most-memorable-marketing-blunder-ever
New coke's blunder has been eclipsed by the bud-light fiasco.
Yet maybe. Just maybe a criminal prosecution will send a leading politician to jail. I don't care who. I'd just like to see it happen.
A little blood in the water and the sharks will turn on themselves.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 31
I'm gobsmacked by the Economist magazine's casual lying. Everything about Hunter Biden implicates his father.
"Empire of Lies" is too kind a phrase to describe the power structure in the Anglo-Saxon world.
Posted by: Richard York | Sep 13 2023 16:36 utc | 32
I don’t know why we can’t simply point out his extreme dementia (he is in a pitiful condition). In 2020 it was already a huge problem but it was nothing like now. It isn’t even rude to say that someone like this should not be in charge of a country (also rapidly disintegrating). How polite do we have to keep on being? This is disaster for everyone who lives on the planet, though no one believes his Vice-President has any judgment either. They were placed there to defend certain corporate interests, and the fact that they couldn’t do better than them tells us that these are completely desperate people who just want keep the peasants at bay and at any cost for as long as possible. Across the whole of the West we just see these incompetent, narcissistic clowns in office, devoid of humanity or acumen. They are like the bad monarchs and emperors of the feudal era. Everyone knows this really.
Posted by: John Stne | Sep 13 2023 16:47 utc | 33
The Democrat candidate will be chosen at the Convention.
Nancy Pelosi is running again; ergo her nephew Newsome will be that candidate.
The GOP will remove DJT as soon as a guilty verdict is delivered - reversed on appeal later but the damage will have been done.
The Uniparty Establishment's over-riding priority is to ensure that no 'Deep State' buster gets in exposing decades of High Crimes, including Obama et alia's many seditions. (This is why DJT - and Flynn - freaked them out first time around.)
Their motivation is to cover up not actually govern.
The American citizenry must muster the gumption to insist on better choices, better policies and verifiable election results. It's not too late; it never is.
To this end a Third Party uniting both left and right in the middle would garner a landslide.
If both RFJ Jr and DJT, having each been rejected by their respective Uniparty wing, could meet in that middle, there is no way Sleazy Joe or anyone else could credibly win. Trump the first four years, RFJ Jr the next eight. They could save the Republic that way.
Otherwise, it is very much, as someone above says, a circus. I think of it now as 'A Reality TV Republic'.
There is something very wrong with getting acess to this site today. It is obviously under several heavy attacks by state inspired organisations.
Posted by: bevin | Sep 13 2023 16:53 utc | 35
Michelle Obama has repeatedly said she's not interested. She has personal reasons for not wanting that sort of spotlight.
I don't know why the Dems can't pull Amy Klobuchar or Elizabeth Warren back. Harris is an international laughing stock, at least Biden has his past association with Obama to grant him some status, but Harris is obviously in way over here head.
I don't know how the Dems could run Gavin Newsom. The attack ads write themselves. The man also has learning disabilities and is unable to read, apparently, not that it matters I suppose. He's in the Pelosi clan, he's tall, and good looking, and so they must figure he could play the part.
Posted by: sideshow_bob | Sep 13 2023 16:55 utc | 36
Power at all costs. At the cost of life. At the cost of innocence. At the cost of sanity.
It's a mental illness that has always afflicted us. And we seem to elevate those of us who are most susceptible to it.
Management of power is necessary. Power without responsibility always leads to tragedy.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 17:00 utc | 37
RFK Jr could only be promoted by people on here that have themselves very selective confirmation bias - RFK Jr had a son fighting with Nazis in the Ukraine, and he has already made a fool of himself when groveling for AIPAC support.
Do some sleuthing about RFK Jr and he looks at best like a Manchurian candidate.
Posted by: Peter Camenzind | Sep 13 2023 17:06 utc | 38
Predicting American politics has increasingly become a mugs game. Take the rise of El Donaldo Trumpenstein to the highest office in the land for example.
The Man, the Myth, the Legend...The not so long ago attention whore and fave of the likes of David Pecker et al. Head man at the National Enquirer for those who didn't know or forgot in this time of raging inputs and assaults on the logical mind.
They, the very people and orgs, whose shrill cries voicing their horror at the very thought of it, of Trump as Presidential candidate and they were heard around the world, the so called Liberal media, provided The Donald with free media exposure that would have cost a YUGE sum of money.
I won't offer an estimate of what the final figure might be as that would only be spit balling and serious minded people try their best to avoid doing that sort of thing.
And then, WHOOP!, there it was. So who really got The Donald elected and for what purpose? Who controls the media (MSM) would be the first place I would look
One thing they have accomplished however, is a very successful divide and conquer outcome. You haven't seen anymore Occupy Wall St. type movements since the original one now have you?
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 13 2023 17:07 utc | 39
"If the Democrats want to keep the presidency, something needs to be done."
The Democrats plan to keep the presidency. They have their political machine in place, their extensive ballot harvesting operations, their voting machines fixed so they malfunction at the right time and place, their operators in place, their billions to buy candidates, and their courts to condemn the innocent so people are afraid of being found non-compliant.
They really don't care if it is Biden or John Fetterman or Kamala Harris. They don't care if the candidate is capable or well-liked. They don't care what the ordinary people of this country need or want because they are the "elites" who know best what the US needs. The people must be controlled and fed propaganda and drugs of all types so they are compliant.
The US must have billions for "green energy" companies so there is no cheap energy any longer. The US must have billions for wars and regime changes around the world so the US stays chief hegemon in the world and their multinational corporations remain rich enough to buy more candidates. Burn out the residents of Maui who don't want to sell to the elites. Promote the invasion of the borders of the US by the dross of the world to bring chaos and instability.
Posted by: Belle | Sep 13 2023 17:10 utc | 40
Power at all costs. At the cost of life. At the cost of innocence. At the cost of sanity.
It's a mental illness that has always afflicted us. And we seem to elevate those of us who are most susceptible to it.
Management of power is necessary. Power without responsibility always leads to tragedy.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 17:18 utc | 42
In the face of the absolute unfair and undemocratic practices of the DNC, and their efforts at defamation succeed with DNC partial voters.. RFK will pull most of his open minded support from Republicans and disenfranchised voters. More than enough unless something very special is cooked up. Within the DNCprimary killzone, there is no chance. They dont even care about getting votes, that is obvious and informative.
Posted by: Not Ewe | Sep 13 2023 17:20 utc | 44
Posted by: Belle | Sep 13 2023 17:10 utc | 40
"If the Democrats want to keep the presidency, something needs to be done."
The Democrats plan to keep the presidency.
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Substitute the word 'establishment' for Democrat and it would be more accurate, thusly:
If the Establishment wants to keep the presidency, something needs to be done."
The Establishment plans to keep the presidency.
Democrat or Republican, makes no difference. Establishment or Reformer-Outsider, that's what matters.
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I don't trust or believe etc. but this guy has clear, original ideas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SPk-s_FUgM
'I Ching say':
This candidate has ideas that could change the entire nation including all its people at the Heaven/Vision/Spirit/leadership level. He sees the country well, and will in turn be seen by the citizenry, so his ideas will prove influential. Even Trump has praised him already. Nothing to say about winning or losing.
[2-5,6 > 20]
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 13 2023 17:14 utc | 41
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They did the next best thing. Sold people a moral mythology that the elites control. That way they don't have to get their hands obviously dirty and risk pushback. Now, everyone is "proud" to vote. To do their "duty". Basically, to certify the sham that it is by being active participants.
And like so many other narratives, young children are bathed in this nonsense as early as they can put them under government "education".
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 17:24 utc | 46
"Empire of Lies" is too kind a phrase to describe the power structure in the Anglo-Saxon world.
Posted by: Richard York | Sep 13 2023 16:30 utc | 25
While "too kind", it conveys the point without resorting to obscenities. Both parts are accurate, and address important aspects.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 13 2023 17:24 utc | 47
Michele Obama reminds me of Barak, the foreclosure king, who according to David Dayen in the Aug 2016 issue of Atlantic Mo., foreclosed on 9.3 million homes, and evicted some 20-30 million people. I cannot vote for another Obama.
Posted by: Ken | Sep 13 2023 17:30 utc | 48
Biden could be replaced by another aging leader; by a young up-and-coming mediagenic leader; or by you, dear reader. It hardly matters.
Policy is made by tenured officials behind the president. The American ship of state continues on its course, independent of who is voted into office.
They act, and create facts on the ground. And while we’re studying those facts they’ll act again, creating other new facts, which we can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. They are history’s actors. And we, all of us, are left to just study what they do.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 13 2023 17:30 utc | 49
I don't know why all you people want to replace Biden. Biden is the best advertisement yet created to show how dysfunctional the US government apparatus is. However, if Biden is actually unable to function even to the extent of speaking to a question card on his hands and knees - which would be acceptable to me, the next best thing would be Kamala Harris, who as someone has commented above, is a 'laughing stock'.
Laughing stocks are what we need in the US Presidency, in order to hasten the decline of the 'Evil Empire' Vote for Kamala.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 13 2023 17:32 utc | 50
I see my short two paragraph comment made several hours ago without any links got sent to the bin. Oh well. Given the intensity of events, I've been very busy posting them at my substack, which is now the hyperlink at my name.
Hopefully Biden will croak soon. President Skank is just what the US deserves.
Posted by: Sentient | Sep 13 2023 17:37 utc | 52
Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 13 2023 17:22 utc | 45
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My issue is that he is still just a man, and worse, an American, so he doesn't have any core or fundamental moral framework he is operating under.
And the pied piper effect with him seems strong.
I might feel different if he had any background of accomplishment outside of pharma and intellectual property manipulation.
The old, "get me in so I can tear the temple down" is the classic Lucy with the football that Americans have been falling for over decades. Trump made similar promises and was unable to deliver despite having a lot of grassroots support.
I'm not saying it is hopeless, but it is hopeless. American reform will come hand-in-hand with American collapse. It sucks, but humans really only learn from disaster and rarely in advance of predictable consequences.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 17:39 utc | 53
Who will it be? Hillary Clinton owns the Democrat party and will direct it even after the curtain for 2024 falls. The real and subversive objective of these so-called elections is to keep the blue and the red masses at each others' throats so the voting still seems real and important.
Posted by: Elmagnostic | Sep 13 2023 17:41 utc | 54
Predicting American politics has increasingly become a mugs game. Take the rise of Trump to the highest office in the land for example.
The Man, the Myth, the Legend...The not so long ago attention whore and fave of the likes of David Pecker et al. Head man at the National Enquirer for those who didn't know or forgot in this time of raging inputs and assaults on the logical mind.
They, the very people and orgs, whose shrill cries voicing their horror at the very thought of it, of Trump as Presidential candidate and they were heard around the world, this so called Liberal media, provided The Donald with free media exposure that would have cost a YUGE sum of money.
I won't offer an estimate of what the final figure might be as that would only be spit balling and serious minded people try their best to avoid doing that sort of thing.
And then, there it was, fait accompli. So who really got The Donald elected and for what purpose? Who controls the media (MSM) would be the first place I would look. Cascading upward and outward from there.
One thing they have accomplished however, is a very successful divide and conquer outcome. You haven't seen anymore Occupy Wall St. type movements since the original one now have you?
Has America become a place where there are constant mini civil wars where the elite tinker, then observe, then adjust according to outcome? Meanwhile few would likely know the US gov't is busy looking out for American security concerns in places like the Mariana Islands reclaiming an old WW2 airbase from the jungle on an Island called Tinan, close to Saipan.
And this from 2015, think pivot to Asia
"“This isn’t your island,” she told the Navy officials in Chamorro, the indigenous language. “It’s my island.” Switching to English, she compared their plans to crumpling a clean sheet of paper into a ball—no matter how hard one tries to straighten it out, the page will never go back to how it was. “You think we can recover from this?… We can’t,” she said. The crowd erupted into applause. "
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/northern-mariana-islands-military-bases-tinian/
If a tree fell in the forest...
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 13 2023 17:49 utc | 55
With a declining USD as the world reserve currency that up till now allowed the US empire to perpetually print money to fund its vast network of overseas military bases as well as all sorts of malignant operations for keeping it's empire together, I think Biden is the perfect embodiment of the current state of the empire. I hope he can continue playing his act for the next 4 years (or so). In the end, US presidents are like puppets on a string that get replaced by a new one when the audience starts to get anxious so the status quo is never endangered, at least from the inside.
Posted by: xor | Sep 13 2023 17:58 utc | 56
I don´t have too many absolute red lines in politics, but support for what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is one of them. Although I support, or can live with most of his other positions,I could never support RFK Jr for that reason.
Posted by: c | Sep 13 2023 18:03 utc | 57
who will it be? Meghan Markle to reunite the Empire. As shown by their weird move to the US.
Posted by: Anon | Sep 13 2023 18:11 utc | 58
You better be careful what you wish for. There's talk that the reason Democrats are turning on Biden is because he's not sending over arms and money to Ukraine fast enough. The next US President is going to escalate this war to the next level, don't surprised if US/NATO puts boots on the ground over there.
Posted by: bored | Sep 13 2023 18:11 utc | 59
Biden should not run again. I won't vote for him. Mainly because of his foreign policies, but also because of his age. In fact, I left the Democratic Party over a year ago. But not for the GOP. Trump is too old as well, and he did too much damage in his one term as POTUS. This is the worst choice of presidential candidates we've had in my lifetime, just another sign of the collapse of the U.S. I'd vote for Harris, she may turn out to be a pleasant surprise. Maybe someone acceptable will appear on the scene...or maybe I won't vote.
Posted by: Cesar Jeopardy | Sep 13 2023 18:17 utc | 61
Harris is a problem because Biden’s dropping poll numbers show black support at 71%, far lower than 90% in 2020. The likely believe they are stuck with her. She may not resonate that deeply with some black communities (her hometown Oakland favored Sanders over her even before she dropped out) but enough to be a concern.
But please stop with the Michelle Obama nonsense. She would poll well but she has never exhibited an interest or ego in the job, has nothing to prove personally and the Obamas have already cashed out as much as they are ever going to on that scheme. Further the nonstop Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama/Clinton/Obama thing is just sad and needs to end. Is the establishment that scared to trust anyone else?
Posted by: WG | Sep 13 2023 18:20 utc | 62
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 13 2023 15:51 utc | 11
Even if [Biden] runs and - despite mail in ballots and by now routine electoral fraud - loses, so what? Nothing will change and even Putin said as much in Vladivostok.
You have to be bat---- crazy to fall for the fake stories of nonexistent electoral fraud, and exceptionally bat---- crazy to even think that they're routine. Crazy enough to also for anti-vaxxer nonsense and to believe that every other human being on Earth is a Nazi.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 13 2023 18:20 utc | 63
The Democrats are too weak to run anyone besides Biden. By fall of 2024 the economy will collapse, Biden will collapse and Trump gets a Grover Cleveland.
Posted by: Promptcritical | Sep 13 2023 18:21 utc | 64
I don´t have too many absolute red lines in politics, but support for what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is one of them. Although I support, or can live with most of his other positions,I could never support RFK Jr for that reason.
Posted by: c | Sep 13 2023 18:03 utc | 57
Not offering an opinion nor criticism but, if you look into how AIPAC works it might give you some insight. Also, a MAJOR MSM site, (North American) site did a story some years back which stated 50% of all donations to the Democrats come from Jewish donors.
30% of Republican funds come from the same, according to the article.
I was very surprised that a legacy media site would print that. Perhaps because they have a slightly neo con bent, but I really have no idea why they did it. Such a straight forward approach from MSM sources remains a curiosity.
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 13 2023 18:22 utc | 65
And after Biden inevitably loses, the Democrats will blame Cornel West.
Posted by: Promptcritical | Sep 13 2023 18:23 utc | 66
I have suspected there is someone or more than 1 person at the White House sabatoging Biden. This was from a speech Biden gave at a dinner for the US-Africa summit last year.
“We the People.” These are the first words of our Constitution and the very idea of America. And they’re the leading words of many of your constitutions, for: We the people of Kenya. We the people of Namibia. We the people of Liberia. We the people of the Federal Republic of Niger. And so many others. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/12/14/remarks-by-president-biden-and-president-sall-of-the-republic-of-senegal-at-the-u-s-africa-leaders-summit-dinner/
Why would you use Niger as an example for Biden to read from a teleprompter? He could make a catastrophic mistake. You can see Biden pause as he is reading the script at that spot https://www.c-span.org/video/?524844-1/president-biden-hosts-african-leaders-white-house
Posted by: middleclass | Sep 13 2023 18:28 utc | 67
I guess it takes abundant ignorance to think RFK jr stands against the establishment and is a great candidate.
Yeah, he's real anti-establishment because he opposed COVID vaccines, while at the same time licking the boots of the CIA, ditching Roger Waters when the Israel lobby came calling and went on an unhinged rant about the Palestinians. But yeah he's real anti-establishment. Let's not forget, he's running as a Democrat - oh but wait he's considering running as an independent because he just learned Democrats rig elections.
People never learn.
Posted by: JoeSixPack | Sep 13 2023 18:33 utc | 68
I guess it takes abundant ignorance to think RFK jr stands against the establishment and is a great candidate.
Yeah, he's real anti-establishment because he opposed COVID vaccines, while at the same time licking the boots of the CIA, ditching Roger Waters when the Israel lobby came calling and went on an unhinged rant about the Palestinians. But yeah he's real anti-establishment. Let's not forget, he's running as a Democrat - oh but wait he's considering running as an independent because he just learned Democrats rig elections.
People never learn.
Posted by: JoeSixPack | Sep 13 2023 18:34 utc | 69
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 13 2023 18:20 utc | 63
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What is more likely?
That election fraud is rare, or that Biden exceeded Trump's 2016 electoral record, which Trump himself bested in 2020 while doing almost ZERO public events?
Maybe, just maybe, Biden is a better candidate than Trump in 2020, Trump in 2016 before him, and Obama before that.
Or maybe the whole game is rigged from top to bottom.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 18:38 utc | 70
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 13 2023 18:20 utc | 63
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What is more likely?
That election fraud is rare, or that Biden exceeded Trump's 2016 electoral record, which Trump himself bested in 2020 while doing almost ZERO public events?
Maybe, just maybe, Biden is a better candidate than Trump in 2020, Trump in 2016 before him, and Obama before that.
Or maybe the whole game is rigged from top to bottom.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 18:38 utc | 71
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 13 2023 18:20 utc | 63
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What is more likely?
That election fraud is rare, or that Biden exceeded Trump's 2016 electoral record, which Trump himself bested in 2020 while doing almost ZERO public events?
Maybe, just maybe, Biden is a better candidate than Trump in 2020, Trump in 2016 before him, and Obama before that.
Or maybe the whole game is rigged from top to bottom.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 18:39 utc | 72
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 13 2023 18:20 utc | 63
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What is more likely?
That election fraud is rare, or that Biden exceeded Trump's 2016 electoral record, which Trump himself bested in 2020 with Biden doing almost ZERO public events?
Maybe, just maybe, Biden is a better candidate than Trump in 2020, Trump in 2016 before him, and Obama before that.
Or maybe the whole game is rigged from top to bottom.
If you believe that, then I would like to tell you about the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 18:40 utc | 73
What we have learned is that it doesn't really matter who's the president, the citizens have no say in what the government does in domestic and international matters. There is no democracy, IOW, and the "elections" are merely a charade. In fact Biden often wrongly equates phony elections to democracy.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 13 2023 18:58 utc | 74
Harris has many laudable qualities
That hurt the nostrils and was a waste of good beer.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 13 2023 18:58 utc | 75
"...withdrawing from the 2024 race ... might not be in character for Biden, but it would be a wise choice for the country."
The country?! As if either Ignatius or Biden have any real concern for the country! What a sick joke.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 13 2023 18:59 utc | 76
"If the Democrats want to keep the presidency, something needs to be done." -b
They have the same solution as they had last time -- cheat.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 13 2023 19:01 utc | 77
"If the Democrats want to keep the presidency, something needs to be done." -b
They have the same solution as they had last time -- cheat.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 13 2023 19:01 utc | 78
Divided society, as the USA is, tends to dissolve by the default.
Maybe to morph in some multi-party system that would emerge after whatever "revolution", they can come up with.
Since almost everyone has a gun or four, they will certainly exercise 2nd Amendment to defend the First one. It is sadly the 18th century mentality that is stopping the plant Earth to prosper. There is nobody except maybe Cornel West that can deliver that message, but not for the Democrats, or for the sake of the argument, Republicans.
And we all know about the USA elections more than in our own countries.
Why is that?
Posted by: whirlX | Sep 13 2023 19:02 utc | 79
Considering the CPI numbers today, I wonder if many of us have the dollar thing wrong. It will transition from an imperialistic weapon into a crushing burden for the US. They will have to support it with high interest rates and eventually face political suicide by cutting spending in a recession. Yellen or whoever will have to travel across the globe, begging nations not to dump Treasuries.
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 13 2023 19:05 utc | 80
There's talk
Posted by: bored | Sep 13 2023 18:11 utc | 59
Yeah, there's no shortage of that.
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 13 2023 19:16 utc | 81
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 17:39 utc | 53
The old, "get me in so I can tear the temple down" is the classic Lucy with the football that Americans have been falling for over decades. Trump made similar promises and was unable to deliver despite having a lot of grassroots support.I'm not saying it is hopeless, but it is hopeless. American reform will come hand-in-hand with American collapse. It sucks, but humans really only learn from disaster and rarely in advance of predictable consequences.
I get what you are saying about Vivek. Which is why I stressed his ideas, not his candidacy. He offers specific ideas more than any other candidate. Until recently, seriously proposing not only the shutting down of the FBI but also precisely how to do it using existing US Law. I find him off about Russia and China but I still like the way he leads with strong, principled ideas. Refreshing. I suspect his ideas may gain more traction with the American people than his candidacy.
RFJ Jr says he has similar plans but has yet to present details. I found some of his remarks disappointing but if he is running against the Administrative State, I guess he doesn't want to also take on AIPAC-ADL. It seems he believes Camelot talking points, his head still in the sixties. Hmm, problematic. But: if he wins, he is more likely take an axe to the CIA et alia as his uncle and father died trying to do than any other candidate in history, healing both personal and national trauma, a truly magnificent story arc. So I ignore the faux-pas about that 'shitty little country' near Jordan.
Yes, it's a hopeless circus. But consider: though based on physical terrain, countries are not only material; they are spells knit together by mutual connections and collective imagination. Also true for the Deep State.
Such spells, like any, can break in an instant; and it's always darkest just before the dawn.
This is the worst choice of presidential candidates we've had in my lifetime, just another sign of the collapse of the U.S. I'd vote for Harris, she may turn out to be a pleasant surprise. Maybe someone acceptable will appear on the scene...or maybe I won't vote.
Posted by: Cesar Jeopardy | Sep 13 2023 18:17 utc | 61
Seems your first thought is spot on, but I do wonder what Harris has done to make you think she would be suitable to be President? Can you name 2 things?
What comes to mind is the only sage thing I ever heard from the lips of Sarah Palin; "Hopey changey".
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 13 2023 19:21 utc | 83
"If the Democrats want to keep the presidency, something needs to be done."
I'm sure Barack has a plan all worked out, courtesy of the CIA.
Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 13 2023 19:27 utc | 84
As long as the Dominion voting machines and "mail-in ballots" remain in place, there will be no chance of a non-rigged election in the US.
Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 13 2023 19:29 utc | 85
Suggest the campaign and vote to elect 2024-2028 officers to the USA be moved to Ukraine..there, at least, a sane well lead government, independent of USA politics, can protect the vote count from corruption and damage to the US mainland can be minimized. Just be sure no matter the election outcome none of the campaigners are allowed to re-enter USA governed America.
If i were to vote, I would mark my ballot for Porky Pig; I like its oinks.
Posted by: snake | Sep 13 2023 19:33 utc | 86
Yellen or whoever will have to travel across the globe, begging nations not to dump Treasuries.
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 13 2023 19:05 utc | 82
US 10 year was 4.30% this morning. UK was 4.41%
Full court press dropped them to 4.25% and 4.34% respectively by late afternoon.
Greek debt is @ 4.03% The Greeks lost their sovereignty long ago. What should one make of all that?
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 13 2023 19:52 utc | 87
Posted by: JustAMaverick | Sep 13 2023 16:08 utc | 15:
He will run, there will be no debates, Kamala, Bernie and AOC will do his campaigning for him, the media will comply and you will not hear a negative word, and even if nobody actually votes for him he will win anyway,
Yup! It'll likely come to that!
Wonders of Democracy on display.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 13 2023 19:53 utc | 88
Yes, it's a hopeless circus. But consider: though based on physical terrain, countries are not only material; they are spells knit together by mutual connections and collective imagination. Also true for the Deep State.
Such spells, like any, can break in an instant; and it's always darkest just before the dawn.
Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 13 2023 19:16 utc | 84
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So well put. Thank you.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 20:06 utc | 89
It's absurd to take polls taken over a year out from Election day 2024 this seriously. We don't have our final nominees for Democrat and Republican. It will only be until then when they see the choices available that people will make solid decisions about whom they will vote. This post is based on a flawed premise.
In all this time, the Hunter Biden story has hardly been the lead news. The only people that care about it right now are Republican right wing extremists who were going to vote GOP anyway: I said this already the last time this website posted pretty much the same article. Congressional Republicans would be making a huge mistake if they tried to impeach, because the public would perceive them as right wing fanatics trying to stage a coup against Biden. That's exactly what happened when the Republicans impeached Clinton. Even people who disapproved of Clinton's behavior stood against the Republicans then.
Claims that Biden is too old for his job have been lies and exaggerations spread by Republicans, the same people crazy enough to believe anti-vaxxer rhetoric and deny global warming. Those stories have no credibility among sane people This Ignatius article does nothing but recycle the same clichés and unfairly badmouth Harris; it's being met with disdain. MoA comes off as detached from reality by taking the linked articles so seriously.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 13 2023 20:07 utc | 90
It seems pretty clear that only two or three idiots really want to be the next us president. Who in their right mind would want the job of signing off on genocides, mandates to destroy healthy humans with gene manipulators, laws to enrich the very few at the expense of the many... on a daily basis.
Like their British cousins, the US have become so politically rotten and monstrous that finding any half way sane candidates is becoming impossible.
With AI though, and possibly robotics, the 2024 election could herald the arrival of the first humanoid president who will be part white,black,Asian,gay, straight,bi,non binary,Indian, pedophile, Catholic, protestant, Hindu............
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Sep 13 2023 20:08 utc | 91
Posted by: sideshow_bob | Sep 13 2023 16:55 utc | 36:
I don't know why the Dems can't pull Amy Klobuchar or Elizabeth Warren back.
Why would Klobuchar or Warren be any better than Bidet or Harris? Because the Press has hyped so? That queer from South Bend, who is now a Secretary of something (transportation???) was touted by the press as brilliant. Oh boy! The brilliance is probably shown in results that I'm blind to, I guess.
My humble opinion: There ain't one freaking politician that I know of ever being mentioned my America's press who's worth a flip.
Sorry to nice barflies here about me using so many "F" words.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 13 2023 20:08 utc | 92
Thanks b. Coverage of this will not be wall to wall. The coverage w be about how butt hurt red house is too do this and everyones fill of whataboutism.
Anyway. If the Democrats want to keep the presidency, something needs to be done?
Like steal another one? Eh
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 13 2023 20:17 utc | 93
Thanks b. Coverage of this will not be wall to wall. The coverage w be about how butt hurt red house is too do this and everyones fill of whataboutism.
Anyway. If the Democrats want to keep the presidency, something needs to be done?
Like steal another one? Eh
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 13 2023 20:18 utc | 94
It's probably pretty tough for all the unelected war crazed empire managers and intelligence to let go of such a perfect scam. They can currently do anything they like no matter how insane or unpopular and then just have this corpse puppet say he's doing it and take all the blame.
Nonetheless, smart money says Kamala announces she's stepping down to focus on her family to avoid racism accusations against the party and Joe. Then Biden does the same for health reasons. They both then endorse Gavin and x black gal for president in 2024.
Then trump runs from a jail cell and loses despite a tremendous showing because intelligence fixed the election and the media is ordered not to cover the story or to cover it as a second attempt at J6, silencing anyone who doesn't want to join Trump and the proud boys in prison.
Then Gavin finishes turning the entire US into a failed state like California while dumping most of the country's wealth into a new stage of "as long as it takes" in Taiwan/Ukraine.
Any real change will come from outside the official two party imperialist political structure or not at all.
Start building up anti war neighborhood and work groups and writing up political platforms. They'll come in handy very soon as most of the population will be desperately looking for an offramp.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 13 2023 20:22 utc | 95
Is the middle-aged man with a fetish for cartoon ponies from a show targeted at little girls a DNC troll? The narratives match up. Hey (or hay?), a guy has got to earn a living somehow, and what are the options for obese neck-beards living in their parents' basements?
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 13 2023 20:25 utc | 96
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 13 2023 18:39 utc | 72
What is more likely?
Maybe, just maybe, Biden is a better candidate than Trump in 2020, Trump in 2016 before him, and Obama before that.
Or maybe the whole game is rigged from top to bottom.
Obama was clearly the better candidate in most of 2008 and 2012, by that meaning he was better at gaining the appeal of voters. Trump was better at campaigning than Hillary in 2016. But he was not better than Biden than 2020 if his debate performance was an indication; Trump had deteriorated to the point of throwing ---- on the wall. And Trump's own unpopularity was a factor in of itself.
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Posted by: John Stne | Sep 13 2023 16:47 utc | 33
I don’t know why we can’t simply point out his extreme dementia (he is in a pitiful condition)...Everyone knows this really.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 13 2023 15:50 utc | 10
Why is this being discussed? Biden is physically unable to function TODAY, and will not be able to be a candidate next year. Everybody knows that, this is theater.
You both have brainwashed yourselves into the delusions that (1) Biden can't function today and (2) "everybody" knows that. That "everybody" does not exist.
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Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 13 2023 19:29 utc | 87
As long as the Dominion voting machines and "mail-in ballots" remain in place, there will be no chance of a non-rigged election in the US.
These fake-news stories about voting machines and mail-in ballots are as credible as stories that the Jews caused Germany to lose World War I.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 13 2023 20:29 utc | 97
This discussion went off road.
The question isnt which candidate presents which ideas or plans or whatever.
The possible actions of a possible president doesnt matter at all.
What matters is the REACTION of the deep state/globohomo/whateveruwannacallit to a presidency of candidate a b c.
We know they want a puppet like biden. We know they react to trump, rfk and vivek like satan to a church.
Its not that any of the candidates could do anything even if we assume they wanted to. Its the reaction to trump/rfk/vivek that would bring the damn thing down.
The funny thing is that they bring it on themselves. They have chosen to transform not only the USA but the whole world within a few years. And because they cant afford to lose time (at least they think so) they act like chicken.
Posted by: Orgel | Sep 13 2023 20:37 utc | 98
zh has a piece up about rfk thinking about running as an independent. It claims that it would be the end of all democrat hopes for 2024.
I am not so sure about that. Wouldnt rfk take a lot of trump voters too? The dems seem to be the party of believers in the system and a candidate like rfk doesnt appeal to them. Is there anybody here who has a better view on this scenario?
Posted by: Orgel | Sep 13 2023 15:43 utc | 9
RFK, whatever you think of his politics, if he goes Independent, will take more away from the Dems than from the Donald. There are still plenty of voters of the JFK/RFK attraction.
And yes, Israel is a landmine in U.S. Politics. They have effective control of a lot of Loudspeakers in the U.S. and through Epstein have a deck of cards that controls plenty of wayward geriatric U.S. politicians.
Posted by: kupkee | Sep 13 2023 20:58 utc | 99
zh has a piece up about rfk thinking about running as an independent. It claims that it would be the end of all democrat hopes for 2024.
I am not so sure about that. Wouldnt rfk take a lot of trump voters too? The dems seem to be the party of believers in the system and a candidate like rfk doesnt appeal to them. Is there anybody here who has a better view on this scenario?
Posted by: Orgel | Sep 13 2023 15:43 utc | 9
RFK, whatever you think of his politics, if he goes Independent, will take more away from the Dems than from the Donald. There are still plenty of voters of the JFK/RFK attraction.
And yes, Israel is a landmine in U.S. Politics. They have effective control of a lot of Loudspeakers in the U.S. and through Epstein have a deck of cards that controls plenty of wayward geriatric U.S. politicians.
Posted by: kupkee | Sep 13 2023 20:58 utc | 100
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