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September 27, 2023
Mainstream Media Admit – Ukraine’s Propaganda Is Full Of Lies

As a sign of the turning narrative of the war in Ukraine we find a new New York Times piece about 'disinformation' that is not about Russia but about lies from Ukraine.

Andrew E. Kramer, the NYT correspondent in Kiev, opens with an anecdote from the first weeks of the war:

Six weeks after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukraine sank the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, dealing a serious blow to the enemy navy, and, a Ukrainian official said, killing the ship’s captain.

“We do not mourn,” an adviser to the interior minister at the time, Anton Gerashchenko, said.

The only problem was that the captain — or somebody who resembled him — later appeared in a video of survivors released by the Russian Navy. He had escaped his sinking ship, the Moskva, the video seemed to indicate.

Then comes a paragraph that could fit both countries but the following one it is again related to disinformation from Ukraine:

What is clear is that misdirection, disinformation and propaganda are weapons regularly deployed in Russia’s war in Ukraine to buoy spirits at home, demoralize the enemy or lead opponents into a trap. And it is often hard to know when reports are false or why they may have been disseminated.

Now, Ukraine and Russia are offering dueling narratives over whether a more senior Russian naval officer, the commanding admiral of the Black Sea Fleet, is alive or dead.

Well, in this interview Adm. Viktor Sokolov looks quite alive.

Then comes an astonishing admission:

Few military analysts, […], believe the Ukrainian military’s optimistic daily account of Russian casualties running into the hundreds that is nonetheless reported widely in Ukrainian media.

It is the first time I see a public refutation of Ukraine's laughable claims about Russian casualties in the mainstream media. It is also an indictment of the Biden administration and the Pentagon who publicly use the Ukrainian numbers.

The piece ends with a wise acknowledgement:

Mr. Gerashchenko said that, in the end, war propaganda is only effective when it accompanies battlefield successes. The missile strike on the headquarters of the Russian Black Sea Fleet last week, he said, was a “stunning success of Ukrainian intelligence and the air force that fired the cruise missiles on a supposedly well-defended site.”

You cannot win the propaganda war without winning the real war,” he added.

Oh really? Guess who told you so:

Good to see that this obvious truth is finally sinking in.

Yesterday the Minister of Defense in Russia, Sergei Shoigu, gave an update (in Russian) on the war in Ukraine. The speech seemed to include a time frame for the war to end (machine translation):

The United States and its allies continue to arm the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the Kiev regime throws untrained soldiers into senseless assaults, for slaughter.

Such cynical actions by the West and their cronies in Kiev only encourage Ukraine to self-destruct."

"Under these conditions, we continue to increase the combat power of the Armed Forces, including through the supply of modern weapons and improving the training of troops, taking into account the experience of a special military operation. Consistent implementation of the activities of the Action Plan until 2025 will allow us to achieve our goals."

Shoigu expects the war to run throughout 2024 and into 2025. But if the current loss rate of the Ukrainian army continues the country will be running out of soldiers and armored vehicles before the end of next year.

Schadenfreude:

Comments

It seems some people are surprised by the West’s support for Nazism. Actually Anglo support for Nazism has been there from the beginning. Just how did Weimar Germany, the basket case of Europe burdened by Versailles dicktats, morph into a power that almost conquered Europe. How did IG Faben manage to control 70% of the German economy. Why were the likes of Standard Oil, AT&T, JP Morgan etc bankrolling the Nazis. Why was the BoE buying German bonds? The answer lies to the East. Russia was the target and things went pear shaped as usual. After the Nazi capitulation the US grabbed those considered useful in the continuing war against Russia (Gehlen being one of many, and Unit 731 shows the same mindset with Japanese war criminals). The Ukraine proxy war is the latest in a long, long line of attempts to defeat Russia. Ukraine’s defeat won’t stop the war, not too sure what will. Miracles anyone?

Posted by: drezz0 | Sep 28 2023 7:10 utc | 403

It seems some people are surprised by the West’s support for Nazism. Actually Anglo support for Nazism has been there from the beginning. Just how did Weimar Germany, the basket case of Europe burdened by Versailles dicktats, morph into a power that almost conquered Europe. How did IG Faben manage to control 70% of the German economy. Why were the likes of Standard Oil, AT&T, JP Morgan etc bankrolling the Nazis. Why was the BoE buying German bonds? The answer lies to the East. Russia was the target and things went pear shaped as usual. After the Nazi capitulation the US grabbed those considered useful in the continuing war against Russia (Gehlen being one of many, and Unit 731 shows the same mindset with Japanese war criminals). The Ukraine proxy war is the latest in a long, long line of attempts to defeat Russia. Ukraine’s defeat won’t stop the war, not too sure what will. Miracles anyone?

Posted by: drezz0 | Sep 28 2023 7:10 utc | 404

S.P. Korolev | Sep 28 2023 7:06 utc | 199
But that implies that China wants to, Russia pays for it one way or another and the general staff of medieval artillery duels uses them. I think none of the options are very possible.
Nothing prevented Russia from having more satellites, many of the nato satellites used against them were put in orbit by Russia for $5. What a great strategy! And nothing stopped Russia from having drones but somehow they started to work on that industry mostly since last year. At least their progress is fast

Posted by: rk | Sep 28 2023 7:46 utc | 405

S.P. Korolev | Sep 28 2023 7:06 utc | 199
But that implies that China wants to, Russia pays for it one way or another and the general staff of medieval artillery duels uses them. I think none of the options are very possible.
Nothing prevented Russia from having more satellites, many of the nato satellites used against them were put in orbit by Russia for $5. What a great strategy! And nothing stopped Russia from having drones but somehow they started to work on that industry mostly since last year. At least their progress is fast

Posted by: rk | Sep 28 2023 7:46 utc | 406

PM @karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 20:54 utc | 118
Relax. You are doing an outstanding job in this bar. Humanism, morals and ethics, fairness,… are a few of the latter; I found those always a basis for your contributions. Carry on! Lavrov and Zhakaria digests are eagerly awaited. – Thanks & Cheers, OE.
Posted by: OttoE | Sep 27 2023 21:31 utc | 125
I second that.

Posted by: Tim | Sep 28 2023 7:46 utc | 407

PM @karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 20:54 utc | 118
Relax. You are doing an outstanding job in this bar. Humanism, morals and ethics, fairness,… are a few of the latter; I found those always a basis for your contributions. Carry on! Lavrov and Zhakaria digests are eagerly awaited. – Thanks & Cheers, OE.
Posted by: OttoE | Sep 27 2023 21:31 utc | 125
I second that.

Posted by: Tim | Sep 28 2023 7:46 utc | 408

“Mainstream Media Admit – Ukraine’s Propaganda Is Full Of Lies”
They knew it all along, they aren’t really that stupid. They only “admit” it now because it serves their owner’s malevolent purposes.

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 28 2023 8:11 utc | 409

“Mainstream Media Admit – Ukraine’s Propaganda Is Full Of Lies”
They knew it all along, they aren’t really that stupid. They only “admit” it now because it serves their owner’s malevolent purposes.

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 28 2023 8:11 utc | 410

Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 9
Always enjoy your posts, bevin.
Also Roger, among other probably Canadian posters.
Posted by: Roger | Sep 27 2023 19:09 utc | 87
Most CDN MPs are pretty clueless about anything excepting lying with a straight face and getting elected. History isn’t their forte. But there is a 99.9% probability that Deputy Prime Minister Freeland knew exactly who she was applauding. Her beloved grandfather published a Nazi propaganda newspaper in WW II and she has many times endorsed his views. https://johnhelmer.net/victim-or-aggressor-chrystia-freelands-family-record-for-nazi-war-profiteering-and-murder-of-the-cracow-jews/

Posted by: Saturna | Sep 28 2023 8:16 utc | 411

Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 9
Always enjoy your posts, bevin.
Also Roger, among other probably Canadian posters.
Posted by: Roger | Sep 27 2023 19:09 utc | 87
Most CDN MPs are pretty clueless about anything excepting lying with a straight face and getting elected. History isn’t their forte. But there is a 99.9% probability that Deputy Prime Minister Freeland knew exactly who she was applauding. Her beloved grandfather published a Nazi propaganda newspaper in WW II and she has many times endorsed his views. https://johnhelmer.net/victim-or-aggressor-chrystia-freelands-family-record-for-nazi-war-profiteering-and-murder-of-the-cracow-jews/

Posted by: Saturna | Sep 28 2023 8:16 utc | 412

Our source in the OP said that Andrei Ermak received an ultimatum from the Biden Administration demanding that the February agreements, which were adjusted in July, be fulfilled.
If Zelensky refuses to freeze the war, the US clientele will begin to publish data on all corruption schemes of the Ministry of Defense.
The head of the Office of the President received information about the withdrawal of funds to digital and offshore companies associated with Bankova, which during the war withdrew more than ten billion dollars.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19859

Posted by: Down South | Sep 28 2023 8:19 utc | 413

Our source in the OP said that Andrei Ermak received an ultimatum from the Biden Administration demanding that the February agreements, which were adjusted in July, be fulfilled.
If Zelensky refuses to freeze the war, the US clientele will begin to publish data on all corruption schemes of the Ministry of Defense.
The head of the Office of the President received information about the withdrawal of funds to digital and offshore companies associated with Bankova, which during the war withdrew more than ten billion dollars.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19859

Posted by: Down South | Sep 28 2023 8:19 utc | 414

Posted by: Roger | Sep 27 2023 19:09 utc | 87
Correct that it is a divide and conquer game aimed at its own population, creating a quiet “civil war” throughout the “west”. Though, I am not sure that the “elites” look worried about the destruction of the social base, quite the contrary.
As I mentioned and in case you’ve noticed, the process of championing of minority rights and issues is accompanied by a constant degradation of basic rights and freedoms, pushing the “civilized world” into a nightmarish totalitarian scenario.

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Sep 28 2023 8:34 utc | 415

Posted by: Roger | Sep 27 2023 19:09 utc | 87
Correct that it is a divide and conquer game aimed at its own population, creating a quiet “civil war” throughout the “west”. Though, I am not sure that the “elites” look worried about the destruction of the social base, quite the contrary.
As I mentioned and in case you’ve noticed, the process of championing of minority rights and issues is accompanied by a constant degradation of basic rights and freedoms, pushing the “civilized world” into a nightmarish totalitarian scenario.

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Sep 28 2023 8:34 utc | 416

nominally
Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 6:08 utc | 194
Fascists do tend to be more nationalist, but that is not the characteristic that defines it. Many introductions (books, not articles) to political philosophy go so far as to argue that fascists are too opportunistic to have any particular ideology. Therefore, it is better to characterize fascists by what they actually do than to believe what they say – and what you are saying is precisely “Just trust what fascists say”
Considering how in practice Ukrainian and Russian fascists are keen on destroying their nations, it’s hard to convince people that they are fundamentally characterized by nationalism rather than economic liberalism.
It’s just the elites who drive the policy.
Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 1:22 utc | 173
But…
Of course Colin the Undergrad, you are absolutely correct. The bourgeoisie is responsible for all the evils in the world, don’t you know.
But your reading comprehension problems are coming to the fore. I really hope you get some help for that. The elites exploit racialism to drive their policies, but it is more difficult to do so in the US due to the mixed identity of most Americans (Many Americans say they are of Greek, French, German, Italian, Irish, etc. descent, and hold loyalty to their ethnic roots), making them more ambivalent to the imperial project, then say the Japanese were.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 6:08 utc | 194
It is just about elites, but not about the bourgeoisie, right?
Moreover, the racial mix in the United States is precisely why it is particularly easy to exploit racial tensions in the United States to use against labor unions – which is rather a relatively convincing explanation for why the United States lacks socialism. Many unions in the United States have long been exclusively white organizations and have historically been highly exclusive of Asians and Africans.
In addition, nearly all empires are characterized by a mix of ethnicities, rather than ethnic homogeneity. Just look at any empire in history and you will see this: the Roman Empire, the Russian Empire, the Persian Empire, the British Empire, and the American Empire.
You repeatedly acknowledged and even added to my criticisms of you while even thought it was a superior counterpoint lol
too pompous for your own good, which is typical of know-nothings who pretend to have authority on any particular subject.
I’m glad you projected so hard thus you actually admitted that you know nothing and pretend to have authority on any particular subject LMFAO
It is impossible to oppose imperialism without opposing capitalism, because one of the main driving forces of imperialism is the transfer of class conflicts at home to foreign countries.
Thus the liberal school of international relations, with its “Democracy promotion”, “rules-based international order”, etc., is just a convenient excuse and not any real motive or purpose. This, like all other liberal ideologies, is merely a cover for capitalist and imperialist plunder.
Of course, bourgeois vulgar international relations scholars can only produce vulgar theories. They will even believe that the United States will not do everything in its power to plunder Russia before the collapse of Soviet Union – both the realist and liberal schools – even though Marxists have long emphasized this repeatedly.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 8:45 utc | 417

nominally
Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 6:08 utc | 194
Fascists do tend to be more nationalist, but that is not the characteristic that defines it. Many introductions (books, not articles) to political philosophy go so far as to argue that fascists are too opportunistic to have any particular ideology. Therefore, it is better to characterize fascists by what they actually do than to believe what they say – and what you are saying is precisely “Just trust what fascists say”
Considering how in practice Ukrainian and Russian fascists are keen on destroying their nations, it’s hard to convince people that they are fundamentally characterized by nationalism rather than economic liberalism.
It’s just the elites who drive the policy.
Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 1:22 utc | 173
But…
Of course Colin the Undergrad, you are absolutely correct. The bourgeoisie is responsible for all the evils in the world, don’t you know.
But your reading comprehension problems are coming to the fore. I really hope you get some help for that. The elites exploit racialism to drive their policies, but it is more difficult to do so in the US due to the mixed identity of most Americans (Many Americans say they are of Greek, French, German, Italian, Irish, etc. descent, and hold loyalty to their ethnic roots), making them more ambivalent to the imperial project, then say the Japanese were.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 6:08 utc | 194
It is just about elites, but not about the bourgeoisie, right?
Moreover, the racial mix in the United States is precisely why it is particularly easy to exploit racial tensions in the United States to use against labor unions – which is rather a relatively convincing explanation for why the United States lacks socialism. Many unions in the United States have long been exclusively white organizations and have historically been highly exclusive of Asians and Africans.
In addition, nearly all empires are characterized by a mix of ethnicities, rather than ethnic homogeneity. Just look at any empire in history and you will see this: the Roman Empire, the Russian Empire, the Persian Empire, the British Empire, and the American Empire.
You repeatedly acknowledged and even added to my criticisms of you while even thought it was a superior counterpoint lol
too pompous for your own good, which is typical of know-nothings who pretend to have authority on any particular subject.
I’m glad you projected so hard thus you actually admitted that you know nothing and pretend to have authority on any particular subject LMFAO
It is impossible to oppose imperialism without opposing capitalism, because one of the main driving forces of imperialism is the transfer of class conflicts at home to foreign countries.
Thus the liberal school of international relations, with its “Democracy promotion”, “rules-based international order”, etc., is just a convenient excuse and not any real motive or purpose. This, like all other liberal ideologies, is merely a cover for capitalist and imperialist plunder.
Of course, bourgeois vulgar international relations scholars can only produce vulgar theories. They will even believe that the United States will not do everything in its power to plunder Russia before the collapse of Soviet Union – both the realist and liberal schools – even though Marxists have long emphasized this repeatedly.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 8:45 utc | 418

centralize power in the state
Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 6:08 utc | 194
Interestingly, in fact, the government of Nazi Germany had less power to manage the economy than the United States or the United Kingdom in WWII.
Just as in the French Revolution, the British government had a greater ability to raise government spending than Napoleon’s France.
Both Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were states with weak central authority and low economic regulatory capacity, due to the fact that right-wing nationalism was often associated with political decentralization and economic liberalism.
In short, the Nazis, Italy, and Japan failed faster in part because they allowed more freedom for local elites and more freedom for private enterprise than the U.S. and U.K. did.
Of course, you’re still going to get all huffy and call it “know nothing,” even though it’s from the latest research on fiscal expenditures in WWII.
Or, you’ll say “You didn’t take my XYZ course!!1!1”, even though being proud of the wrong textbook is obviously a stupid nerdy thing to do.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 8:59 utc | 419

centralize power in the state
Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 6:08 utc | 194
Interestingly, in fact, the government of Nazi Germany had less power to manage the economy than the United States or the United Kingdom in WWII.
Just as in the French Revolution, the British government had a greater ability to raise government spending than Napoleon’s France.
Both Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were states with weak central authority and low economic regulatory capacity, due to the fact that right-wing nationalism was often associated with political decentralization and economic liberalism.
In short, the Nazis, Italy, and Japan failed faster in part because they allowed more freedom for local elites and more freedom for private enterprise than the U.S. and U.K. did.
Of course, you’re still going to get all huffy and call it “know nothing,” even though it’s from the latest research on fiscal expenditures in WWII.
Or, you’ll say “You didn’t take my XYZ course!!1!1”, even though being proud of the wrong textbook is obviously a stupid nerdy thing to do.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 8:59 utc | 420

Posted by: Roger | Sep 27 2023 19:09 utc | 87
I am a Maoist, and I would equally criticize the problems of capitalism in Iran, Russia and China. However, I think the main task of socialists in the West should be to criticize, oppose and ultimately stop the expansion of European imperialism and US imperialism in Ukraine, not to criticize China and Russia.
However, I’m glad you pointed out the current problem of pseudo “Marxism”: the Frankfurt School is a kind of “humanist Marxism”, i.e. just a liberal doctrine that aims to be anti-Marxist.
In fact, what Gabriel Rockhill is talking about is just an open secret. Many people could have discovered this by simply reading the text of the day, but only a few were willing to tell the truth.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 9:08 utc | 421

Posted by: Roger | Sep 27 2023 19:09 utc | 87
I am a Maoist, and I would equally criticize the problems of capitalism in Iran, Russia and China. However, I think the main task of socialists in the West should be to criticize, oppose and ultimately stop the expansion of European imperialism and US imperialism in Ukraine, not to criticize China and Russia.
However, I’m glad you pointed out the current problem of pseudo “Marxism”: the Frankfurt School is a kind of “humanist Marxism”, i.e. just a liberal doctrine that aims to be anti-Marxist.
In fact, what Gabriel Rockhill is talking about is just an open secret. Many people could have discovered this by simply reading the text of the day, but only a few were willing to tell the truth.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 9:08 utc | 422

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 8:59 utc | 209
You see when I know nothing I don’t comment on it, and there’s plenty I don’t know. But your comments range from everything from medieval Japanese history to contemporary US foreign policy, to comparative governmental systems, to international economics, and now you’re an expert on fascism, which still has never been clearly defined by scholars, and WWII? My goodness how do you have time to post here with all that knowledge.
Sometimes BS is just BS, Colin the Undergrad, you have well earned your moniker Much like my students, you are: “I Think I Can Smell Shite, Yes I Can Definitely Smell Shite”

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 9:13 utc | 423

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 8:59 utc | 209
You see when I know nothing I don’t comment on it, and there’s plenty I don’t know. But your comments range from everything from medieval Japanese history to contemporary US foreign policy, to comparative governmental systems, to international economics, and now you’re an expert on fascism, which still has never been clearly defined by scholars, and WWII? My goodness how do you have time to post here with all that knowledge.
Sometimes BS is just BS, Colin the Undergrad, you have well earned your moniker Much like my students, you are: “I Think I Can Smell Shite, Yes I Can Definitely Smell Shite”

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 9:13 utc | 424

@ Korolev
That’s true but China chickens out.
The least China can do short of non military help to Russia is to retake Taiwan. Today Taiwan launched a new type of submarine and vowed to lay more. The longer China sits on it the more prepared the enemies will be.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 28 2023 9:45 utc | 425

@ Korolev
That’s true but China chickens out.
The least China can do short of non military help to Russia is to retake Taiwan. Today Taiwan launched a new type of submarine and vowed to lay more. The longer China sits on it the more prepared the enemies will be.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 28 2023 9:45 utc | 426

Posted by: drezz0 | Sep 28 2023 7:10 utc | 202
I wouldnt say surprised, but more astonished and angry about the two faced nature of the beast.
The collective waste always preaches loud and clear how it is against all those totalitarian brutal dictators, against fascism, against nazism (in germany they label the afd nazis while the greens support nazism in ukraine), against human rights abusers and so on.
And the preaching goes on about press freedom, freedom of speech, human rights, and so on, while they themself censor, abuse, lie and cheat.
Its moments like that canadian debacle that shows that they talk water while drinking wine, and thats why people with a brain are so annoyed.
If nato would just label themself as waffen ss 2.0, and the eu would brand themself as the fourth reich, i would have more respect. At least they would then be honest about their intentions.
But now we have all those western value idiots lying like some narcisists and the populance just shrugs when incidents like that happen.
Infuriating would be the better word.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 28 2023 9:52 utc | 427

Posted by: drezz0 | Sep 28 2023 7:10 utc | 202
I wouldnt say surprised, but more astonished and angry about the two faced nature of the beast.
The collective waste always preaches loud and clear how it is against all those totalitarian brutal dictators, against fascism, against nazism (in germany they label the afd nazis while the greens support nazism in ukraine), against human rights abusers and so on.
And the preaching goes on about press freedom, freedom of speech, human rights, and so on, while they themself censor, abuse, lie and cheat.
Its moments like that canadian debacle that shows that they talk water while drinking wine, and thats why people with a brain are so annoyed.
If nato would just label themself as waffen ss 2.0, and the eu would brand themself as the fourth reich, i would have more respect. At least they would then be honest about their intentions.
But now we have all those western value idiots lying like some narcisists and the populance just shrugs when incidents like that happen.
Infuriating would be the better word.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 28 2023 9:52 utc | 428

@ Posted by: drezz0 | Sep 28 2023 7:10 utc | 201
Exactly – the trajectory of history that is curiously missed by many. Wilfully?
Anyway a screed to tail this thread.
The natzios weren’t invented by a religious sub group , they have always been around.
The Holy Roman Empire has never gotten over the loss of the Byzantine ’brother’ and the great silk, spice and fertility Road that is the jewel of the World Island.
The millenia and half has been a never ending attempt to gain supremacy over that majority of humanity and the majority of the land mass of the Earth.
Within that context many variations of imperialism have been tried using every single part of European identity creation – the ‘Nation States’. Including the creation of the hybrid , mongrel , nationality of ‘American’.
The current panicked enrolment of millions more into that American Dream is to fight the next centuries war , to gain control of the World and its resources. Because this attempt has also failed and the there will be many billions who will refuse to kowtow, hand over their wealth and lay down and die as is expected of them , and most of us!
Tens of millions will be needed , hundreds even, to fight to the last again in the old madness of imperialism and slavery of the majority.
There is not much difference between the Nazis and their creators.
That is the purpose of hopefully the last empire in the chain now, the USA. But the City of London never diminished! Neither did the few aristos and financiers of Old Europe – who have never stopped benefiting from every empire.
That should be the easiest pointer for many to how interconnected all Collective Western imperialism is and why. As a few here have clearly seen it is an Empire of Lies.
The true destiny of humanity is in a robust interconnectedness.
This is best achieved by a grid system for all necessities – including Gas. The natzios didnt want that and they work against the inevitability.
Some did realise and have tried to move instead to true democratic socialism which puts the raising of the poorest above all else. That provision of security for ALL is the highest aim. Through collaboration and mutual support. They moved the EU in that direction , that is why that EU has been targeted and is nearly destroyed now under the jackboots of unelected Nazis.
https://x.com/canthavepudding/status/1707084734868881699
Julien Benda on X
😆
That’s why there was a delay until Mutti was gone.
Merkel did build the pipeline ! Even though she was just an imperial lackey, She did work with Putin. Putin has worked with Xi. They knew this was a once in several lifetimes chance to finally lift the yoke of the bereft, jealous, avaricious brother who broke from the one world and decided to live behind a walled garden with its ‘happy slaves’ whilst engaging in furious pillage and murder beyond these walls.
The destruction or what seems at best delaying of a EU/EuraAsian block is the aim. The attempt will fail as has every attempt at ‘taking Russia’ and Central Asia and China.
The centuries long grasp and exploitation of Africa, Indo pacific and Latin Americas is too failing. The BRI is coming to their aid.
With actual investment and if needed- the largest armies in the world – now fully battle hardened.
Hell yeah, this is our Masters and Owners running for the hills , by opening the borders and destroying their industries in Europe which they see slipping away finally into the arms of its World Island family.
They need 10’s of millions of canon fodder, brainwashed like the current Ukrops. Yanks, Canuks and Europeans in our 5 eyed dystopia who have never realised they were made to harbour their grandparents enemies aren’t enough – the golden billion plan can’t succeed otherwise. The very few who live in the high palaces will fall and they are fighting to the end. They would kill billions in the attempt leaving waste lands behind that they can’t own.
The answer is to stop them before they do.
They need ‘exterminating’ like the old witch doctors and priests who exploited ignorance.
The multipolar is the answer.
There will be many more pipelines, railways and security for all.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 28 2023 9:53 utc | 429

@ Posted by: drezz0 | Sep 28 2023 7:10 utc | 201
Exactly – the trajectory of history that is curiously missed by many. Wilfully?
Anyway a screed to tail this thread.
The natzios weren’t invented by a religious sub group , they have always been around.
The Holy Roman Empire has never gotten over the loss of the Byzantine ’brother’ and the great silk, spice and fertility Road that is the jewel of the World Island.
The millenia and half has been a never ending attempt to gain supremacy over that majority of humanity and the majority of the land mass of the Earth.
Within that context many variations of imperialism have been tried using every single part of European identity creation – the ‘Nation States’. Including the creation of the hybrid , mongrel , nationality of ‘American’.
The current panicked enrolment of millions more into that American Dream is to fight the next centuries war , to gain control of the World and its resources. Because this attempt has also failed and the there will be many billions who will refuse to kowtow, hand over their wealth and lay down and die as is expected of them , and most of us!
Tens of millions will be needed , hundreds even, to fight to the last again in the old madness of imperialism and slavery of the majority.
There is not much difference between the Nazis and their creators.
That is the purpose of hopefully the last empire in the chain now, the USA. But the City of London never diminished! Neither did the few aristos and financiers of Old Europe – who have never stopped benefiting from every empire.
That should be the easiest pointer for many to how interconnected all Collective Western imperialism is and why. As a few here have clearly seen it is an Empire of Lies.
The true destiny of humanity is in a robust interconnectedness.
This is best achieved by a grid system for all necessities – including Gas. The natzios didnt want that and they work against the inevitability.
Some did realise and have tried to move instead to true democratic socialism which puts the raising of the poorest above all else. That provision of security for ALL is the highest aim. Through collaboration and mutual support. They moved the EU in that direction , that is why that EU has been targeted and is nearly destroyed now under the jackboots of unelected Nazis.
https://x.com/canthavepudding/status/1707084734868881699
Julien Benda on X
😆
That’s why there was a delay until Mutti was gone.
Merkel did build the pipeline ! Even though she was just an imperial lackey, She did work with Putin. Putin has worked with Xi. They knew this was a once in several lifetimes chance to finally lift the yoke of the bereft, jealous, avaricious brother who broke from the one world and decided to live behind a walled garden with its ‘happy slaves’ whilst engaging in furious pillage and murder beyond these walls.
The destruction or what seems at best delaying of a EU/EuraAsian block is the aim. The attempt will fail as has every attempt at ‘taking Russia’ and Central Asia and China.
The centuries long grasp and exploitation of Africa, Indo pacific and Latin Americas is too failing. The BRI is coming to their aid.
With actual investment and if needed- the largest armies in the world – now fully battle hardened.
Hell yeah, this is our Masters and Owners running for the hills , by opening the borders and destroying their industries in Europe which they see slipping away finally into the arms of its World Island family.
They need 10’s of millions of canon fodder, brainwashed like the current Ukrops. Yanks, Canuks and Europeans in our 5 eyed dystopia who have never realised they were made to harbour their grandparents enemies aren’t enough – the golden billion plan can’t succeed otherwise. The very few who live in the high palaces will fall and they are fighting to the end. They would kill billions in the attempt leaving waste lands behind that they can’t own.
The answer is to stop them before they do.
They need ‘exterminating’ like the old witch doctors and priests who exploited ignorance.
The multipolar is the answer.
There will be many more pipelines, railways and security for all.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 28 2023 9:53 utc | 430

@James M. | Sep 28 2023 1:22 utc | 173

As for imperialism, the US uses a soft imperialism to keep its influence abroad, but it is not extreme nationalism.

I think a few hundred thousand dead people would disagree. And some not-dead-yet as well.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 28 2023 10:09 utc | 431

@James M. | Sep 28 2023 1:22 utc | 173

As for imperialism, the US uses a soft imperialism to keep its influence abroad, but it is not extreme nationalism.

I think a few hundred thousand dead people would disagree. And some not-dead-yet as well.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 28 2023 10:09 utc | 432

@Justpassinby | Sep 28 2023 9:52 utc | 214

If nato would just label themself as waffen ss 2.0, and the eu would brand themself as the fourth reich, i would have more respect. At least they would then be honest about their intentions.

Indeed, well said!

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 28 2023 10:19 utc | 433

@Justpassinby | Sep 28 2023 9:52 utc | 214

If nato would just label themself as waffen ss 2.0, and the eu would brand themself as the fourth reich, i would have more respect. At least they would then be honest about their intentions.

Indeed, well said!

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 28 2023 10:19 utc | 434

The problem lies in your last sentance Colin….”in order to secure the future of the Aryan race”.
Thats an FRIGHTENING broad brush.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 27 2023 23:24 utc | 150

If Aryan was changed to Jewish in the above would that be FRIGHTENING?

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Sep 28 2023 10:49 utc | 435

The problem lies in your last sentance Colin….”in order to secure the future of the Aryan race”.
Thats an FRIGHTENING broad brush.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 27 2023 23:24 utc | 150

If Aryan was changed to Jewish in the above would that be FRIGHTENING?

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Sep 28 2023 10:49 utc | 436

Whatever crimes the Germans did commit in WWII the Holocaust wasn’t one of them. The HoloHoax is a false historical narrative: https://www.scribd.com/document/559529210/Holocaust-Deprogramming-Course
Banderites murdered huge numbers of Poles, Jews and others BUT Auschwitz and the other internment work camps didn’t.
Ron
Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 28 2023 0:12 utc | 162

Not sure questioning the Holocaust narrative is gonna fly here. Its something of a final frontier for many otherwise open-minded folk.

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Sep 28 2023 11:08 utc | 437

Whatever crimes the Germans did commit in WWII the Holocaust wasn’t one of them. The HoloHoax is a false historical narrative: https://www.scribd.com/document/559529210/Holocaust-Deprogramming-Course
Banderites murdered huge numbers of Poles, Jews and others BUT Auschwitz and the other internment work camps didn’t.
Ron
Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 28 2023 0:12 utc | 162

Not sure questioning the Holocaust narrative is gonna fly here. Its something of a final frontier for many otherwise open-minded folk.

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Sep 28 2023 11:08 utc | 438

Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 15:00 utc | 18
“But that is a long story…and I have taken up too much of your time.”
As a Canadian your analysis was spot on and I wish you would have gone on longer.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 28 2023 11:37 utc | 439

Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 15:00 utc | 18
“But that is a long story…and I have taken up too much of your time.”
As a Canadian your analysis was spot on and I wish you would have gone on longer.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 28 2023 11:37 utc | 440

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 9:13 utc | 212
Maybe knowing that both the Roman and British Empires were multiracial won’t be too much work for you?

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 11:47 utc | 441

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 9:13 utc | 212
Maybe knowing that both the Roman and British Empires were multiracial won’t be too much work for you?

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 11:47 utc | 442

@ 58
“Many compare this waste of humanity to WW1. I would add this is the Kitchener / Pétain model of war of attrition.”
In the Boer War, at the turn of the twentieth century, the Brits were losing to the Boers because of their mobility (cavalry) , marksmanship and intimate knowledge of the terrain.
Kitchener , not a Lord yet came to the command. So what military tactics did Kitchener employ to win the war?
He created the modern concentration camp and imprisoned the wives and children of the Boer soldiers.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 28 2023 12:01 utc | 443

@ 58
“Many compare this waste of humanity to WW1. I would add this is the Kitchener / Pétain model of war of attrition.”
In the Boer War, at the turn of the twentieth century, the Brits were losing to the Boers because of their mobility (cavalry) , marksmanship and intimate knowledge of the terrain.
Kitchener , not a Lord yet came to the command. So what military tactics did Kitchener employ to win the war?
He created the modern concentration camp and imprisoned the wives and children of the Boer soldiers.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 28 2023 12:01 utc | 444

#219. Proof, if any is needed, of the necessity of religion for the vast majority. An earlier post on this thread cites Hoss’s ‘confession,’ with no mention of the documented, extreme torture employed to extract it…

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Sep 28 2023 12:10 utc | 445

#219. Proof, if any is needed, of the necessity of religion for the vast majority. An earlier post on this thread cites Hoss’s ‘confession,’ with no mention of the documented, extreme torture employed to extract it…

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Sep 28 2023 12:10 utc | 446

It’s generally accepted that the operational concept of Blitzkrieg had its origins with WWI German stormtroopers as well as the somewhat simultaneous theoretical exercises of B. H. Liddell Hart and Guerdian.
Posted by: Exile | Sep 27 2023 17:46 utc | 67
You also have to give the military officer and magnificent historian J.F. C. Fuller credit for the concept of blitzkrieg. From Wiki:
Fuller’s ideas on mechanised warfare continued to be influential in the lead-up to the Second World War, ironically less with his countrymen than with the Nazis, notably Heinz Guderian who spent his own money to have Fuller’s Provisional Instructions for Tank and Armoured Car Training translated.[13] In the 1930s, the German Army implemented tactics similar in many ways to Fuller’s analysis, which became known as Blitzkrieg. Like Fuller, theorists of Blitzkrieg partly based their approach on the theory that areas of large enemy activity should be bypassed to be eventually surrounded and destroyed. Blitzkrieg-style tactics were used by several nations throughout the Second World War, predominantly by the Germans in the invasion of Poland (1939), Western Europe (1940), and the Soviet Union (1941). While Germany and to some degree the Western Allies adopted Blitzkrieg ideas, they were not much used by the Red Army, which developed its armored warfare doctrine based on deep operations, which were developed by Soviet military theorists Marshal M. N. Tukhachevsky et al. in the 1920s based on their experiences in the First World War and the Russian Civil War.[1]
Fuller was the only foreigner present at Nazi Germany’s first armed maneuvers in 1935. Fuller frequently praised Adolf Hitler in his speeches and articles, once describing him as “that realistic idealist who has awakened the common sense of the British people by setting out to create a new Germany”.[14] On 20 April 1939, Fuller was an honoured guest at Hitler’s 50th birthday parade, watching as “for three hours a completely mechanised and motorised army roared past the Führer.” Afterwards Hitler asked, “I hope you were pleased with your children?” Fuller replied, “Your Excellency, they have grown up so quickly that I no longer recognize them.”[15]

Posted by: canuck | Sep 28 2023 12:22 utc | 447

It’s generally accepted that the operational concept of Blitzkrieg had its origins with WWI German stormtroopers as well as the somewhat simultaneous theoretical exercises of B. H. Liddell Hart and Guerdian.
Posted by: Exile | Sep 27 2023 17:46 utc | 67
You also have to give the military officer and magnificent historian J.F. C. Fuller credit for the concept of blitzkrieg. From Wiki:
Fuller’s ideas on mechanised warfare continued to be influential in the lead-up to the Second World War, ironically less with his countrymen than with the Nazis, notably Heinz Guderian who spent his own money to have Fuller’s Provisional Instructions for Tank and Armoured Car Training translated.[13] In the 1930s, the German Army implemented tactics similar in many ways to Fuller’s analysis, which became known as Blitzkrieg. Like Fuller, theorists of Blitzkrieg partly based their approach on the theory that areas of large enemy activity should be bypassed to be eventually surrounded and destroyed. Blitzkrieg-style tactics were used by several nations throughout the Second World War, predominantly by the Germans in the invasion of Poland (1939), Western Europe (1940), and the Soviet Union (1941). While Germany and to some degree the Western Allies adopted Blitzkrieg ideas, they were not much used by the Red Army, which developed its armored warfare doctrine based on deep operations, which were developed by Soviet military theorists Marshal M. N. Tukhachevsky et al. in the 1920s based on their experiences in the First World War and the Russian Civil War.[1]
Fuller was the only foreigner present at Nazi Germany’s first armed maneuvers in 1935. Fuller frequently praised Adolf Hitler in his speeches and articles, once describing him as “that realistic idealist who has awakened the common sense of the British people by setting out to create a new Germany”.[14] On 20 April 1939, Fuller was an honoured guest at Hitler’s 50th birthday parade, watching as “for three hours a completely mechanised and motorised army roared past the Führer.” Afterwards Hitler asked, “I hope you were pleased with your children?” Fuller replied, “Your Excellency, they have grown up so quickly that I no longer recognize them.”[15]

Posted by: canuck | Sep 28 2023 12:22 utc | 448

#219. Proof, if any is needed, of the necessity of religion for the vast majority. An earlier post on this thread cites Hoss’s ‘confession,’ with no mention of the documented, extreme torture employed to extract it…
Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Sep 28 2023 12:10 utc | 223

Why torture when you can lie, like you with your claim of torture, which is hard to beat in terms of stupid simplicity. 🙂
May I ask what religion you have in mind?

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 28 2023 12:26 utc | 449

#219. Proof, if any is needed, of the necessity of religion for the vast majority. An earlier post on this thread cites Hoss’s ‘confession,’ with no mention of the documented, extreme torture employed to extract it…
Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Sep 28 2023 12:10 utc | 223

Why torture when you can lie, like you with your claim of torture, which is hard to beat in terms of stupid simplicity. 🙂
May I ask what religion you have in mind?

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 28 2023 12:26 utc | 450

“just a shame one must trade Knights for Rooks and Bishops……5D chess it is.”
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 27 2023 17:51 utc | 69
One would be foolish to trade a rook for a bishop.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 28 2023 12:28 utc | 451

“just a shame one must trade Knights for Rooks and Bishops……5D chess it is.”
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 27 2023 17:51 utc | 69
One would be foolish to trade a rook for a bishop.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 28 2023 12:28 utc | 452

One would be foolish to trade a rook for a bishop.
Posted by: canuck | Sep 28 2023 12:28 utc | 226

Always depends on the situation. Sometimes it is even worth sacrificing a queen for a pawn.

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 28 2023 12:40 utc | 453

One would be foolish to trade a rook for a bishop.
Posted by: canuck | Sep 28 2023 12:28 utc | 226

Always depends on the situation. Sometimes it is even worth sacrificing a queen for a pawn.

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 28 2023 12:40 utc | 454

Cannibalizing one part of the front to strengthen another part of the front.

“The Armed Forces of Ukraine, due to heavy losses, transferred part of the group from the Krasnolimansky direction to Artemovsk (Bakhmut) to attempt an assault on the southern flanks. This was announced by the adviser to the head of the DPR, Yan Gagin.
According to him, this is due to the fact that the losses of the Ukrainian army in the Artemovsk area amount to several hundred people killed and wounded. Thus, as Gagin clarified, at least two companies of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which previously took part in the battles near Artemovsk, need to be supplemented.
#source (https://t.me/smotri_z/20317)
@Slavyangrad”

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 28 2023 12:48 utc | 455

Cannibalizing one part of the front to strengthen another part of the front.

“The Armed Forces of Ukraine, due to heavy losses, transferred part of the group from the Krasnolimansky direction to Artemovsk (Bakhmut) to attempt an assault on the southern flanks. This was announced by the adviser to the head of the DPR, Yan Gagin.
According to him, this is due to the fact that the losses of the Ukrainian army in the Artemovsk area amount to several hundred people killed and wounded. Thus, as Gagin clarified, at least two companies of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which previously took part in the battles near Artemovsk, need to be supplemented.
#source (https://t.me/smotri_z/20317)
@Slavyangrad”

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 28 2023 12:48 utc | 456

fairly commonsensical points about the role geography has played in the development of different cultures.
Posted by: The Real Fnord13 | Sep 28 2023 3:19 utc | 183
Thank you for summarizing that piece of atavistic, pseudo-scientific racist trash and saving generations to come from reading or adapting Herodotus’ histories into a one volume graphic novel.

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 28 2023 12:53 utc | 457

fairly commonsensical points about the role geography has played in the development of different cultures.
Posted by: The Real Fnord13 | Sep 28 2023 3:19 utc | 183
Thank you for summarizing that piece of atavistic, pseudo-scientific racist trash and saving generations to come from reading or adapting Herodotus’ histories into a one volume graphic novel.

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 28 2023 12:53 utc | 458

According to Military summary report, the Russians have destroyed most if not all bridges (3?) over the Oskol river, which will make AFU logistics to take a pretty hefty detour on the eastern side. The goal is obviously to take the entire territory on the eastern bank of Oskol

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 28 2023 13:10 utc | 459

According to Military summary report, the Russians have destroyed most if not all bridges (3?) over the Oskol river, which will make AFU logistics to take a pretty hefty detour on the eastern side. The goal is obviously to take the entire territory on the eastern bank of Oskol

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 28 2023 13:10 utc | 460

227 – I have frequently won chess games by for example giving up a knight for a pawn though a knight is conventionally three points and a pawn only one. But taking out a pawn near the king can expose the king to attack. It depends on the position.

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 28 2023 13:52 utc | 461

227 – I have frequently won chess games by for example giving up a knight for a pawn though a knight is conventionally three points and a pawn only one. But taking out a pawn near the king can expose the king to attack. It depends on the position.

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 28 2023 13:52 utc | 462

James M. @212: “…fascism, which still has never been clearly defined by scholars”
Well, of course not. That is in the realm of social sciences, which never “hardened up” like the physical sciences did a couple centuries back. The social sciences are still just mystical pseudoreligious musings due to the effort to build understanding of human social behavior while excluding a proper analysis of the most fundamental behavior, which is productive labor. The one foundation that could transform social sciences into hard sciences, Marxism, was deliberately expunged from the social sciences to please the “scholars” paymasters. This resulted in the social sciences remaining stunted mystical claptrap to this day when they could have been respectable sciences like physics, chemistry, and biology. I mean, could you imagine what the state of the biological sciences would be in today if the only acceptable theories and propositions advanced for consideration were ones that deliberately attempted to counter or build distance from or obfuscate the observations of Charles Darwin? Yeah, then biology would be a useless pseudoscience today just like sociology is.
The thing is that anyone who has for-real studied Marxism (and the works of its most notable students like Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, so on) knows precisely what fascism is. Furthermore, since Marxism must be the foundation for any real social sciences, and what stands in for contemporary social sciences is nothing more than a futile effort to build foundationless understanding (call it what it is: delusion), it stands to reason that anyone who has seriously studied Marxism (not studied “about” Marxism) will have a level of expertise in a large range of topics that far exceeds “officially recognized scholars” of those fields. To reuse the biology example, would it at all surprise anyone if someone who followed on Darwin’s work had a more workable understanding of biology processes than a whole army of “scholars” who wasted their entire lives trying to argue the minute details of how a deity (whose church pays their salaries) arranged for speciation and the diversity of life on the planet?
The core imperative of social science “scholars” is rationalizing and justifying capitalism. Sure, some will occasionally stray off the reservation until they are noticed by their paymasters and their tenure is threatened, but like all professional “scholars” they serve the Establishment that pays their salaries. Seeing as fascism is a tool used by the capitalist establishment to destroy worker organizations with violence, it is a molten hot topic that “scholars” will avoid at all costs, unless they are called upon to obfuscate (“Uh, it’s all about hating Jews… yeah, that’s what it is!”).
It may seem that a real student of Marxism is something like a modern day Renaissance Man, with more understanding and knowledge than whole university social sciences departments combined, but in truth that is just a reflection of how pointless and devoid of utility those social sciences departments are. If the social sciences had not spent the last couple centuries gimped by capitalism then they would have the precision and predictive power of the physical sciences today, and what today are real students of Marxism would just be terribly outdated generalists. Of course, considering the evils capitalist society commits with what it has for social sciences, what with the marketing of products that nobody wants or needs, manufacturing retarded megatrends, hamfisted and selfish social engineering, and mass gaslighting, it is a damn good thing the social sciences remain stunted to near uselessness. Can you imagine what these evil freaks who are remote-controlling children into genital mutilation would do if they had more powerful tools at their disposal?

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 28 2023 14:07 utc | 463

James M. @212: “…fascism, which still has never been clearly defined by scholars”
Well, of course not. That is in the realm of social sciences, which never “hardened up” like the physical sciences did a couple centuries back. The social sciences are still just mystical pseudoreligious musings due to the effort to build understanding of human social behavior while excluding a proper analysis of the most fundamental behavior, which is productive labor. The one foundation that could transform social sciences into hard sciences, Marxism, was deliberately expunged from the social sciences to please the “scholars” paymasters. This resulted in the social sciences remaining stunted mystical claptrap to this day when they could have been respectable sciences like physics, chemistry, and biology. I mean, could you imagine what the state of the biological sciences would be in today if the only acceptable theories and propositions advanced for consideration were ones that deliberately attempted to counter or build distance from or obfuscate the observations of Charles Darwin? Yeah, then biology would be a useless pseudoscience today just like sociology is.
The thing is that anyone who has for-real studied Marxism (and the works of its most notable students like Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, so on) knows precisely what fascism is. Furthermore, since Marxism must be the foundation for any real social sciences, and what stands in for contemporary social sciences is nothing more than a futile effort to build foundationless understanding (call it what it is: delusion), it stands to reason that anyone who has seriously studied Marxism (not studied “about” Marxism) will have a level of expertise in a large range of topics that far exceeds “officially recognized scholars” of those fields. To reuse the biology example, would it at all surprise anyone if someone who followed on Darwin’s work had a more workable understanding of biology processes than a whole army of “scholars” who wasted their entire lives trying to argue the minute details of how a deity (whose church pays their salaries) arranged for speciation and the diversity of life on the planet?
The core imperative of social science “scholars” is rationalizing and justifying capitalism. Sure, some will occasionally stray off the reservation until they are noticed by their paymasters and their tenure is threatened, but like all professional “scholars” they serve the Establishment that pays their salaries. Seeing as fascism is a tool used by the capitalist establishment to destroy worker organizations with violence, it is a molten hot topic that “scholars” will avoid at all costs, unless they are called upon to obfuscate (“Uh, it’s all about hating Jews… yeah, that’s what it is!”).
It may seem that a real student of Marxism is something like a modern day Renaissance Man, with more understanding and knowledge than whole university social sciences departments combined, but in truth that is just a reflection of how pointless and devoid of utility those social sciences departments are. If the social sciences had not spent the last couple centuries gimped by capitalism then they would have the precision and predictive power of the physical sciences today, and what today are real students of Marxism would just be terribly outdated generalists. Of course, considering the evils capitalist society commits with what it has for social sciences, what with the marketing of products that nobody wants or needs, manufacturing retarded megatrends, hamfisted and selfish social engineering, and mass gaslighting, it is a damn good thing the social sciences remain stunted to near uselessness. Can you imagine what these evil freaks who are remote-controlling children into genital mutilation would do if they had more powerful tools at their disposal?

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 28 2023 14:07 utc | 464

Ukraine’s defeat won’t stop the war, not too sure what will. Miracles anyone?
Posted by: drezz0 | Sep 28 2023 7:10 utc | 202
The Exorbitant Privilege (Free Ride) of the U.S. dollar where the U.S. produces very little, yet creates U.S. dollars at near-zero cost, has had a long ride. That ride is over. And the U.S. dollar has been sliding from World Trade transactional percentages for 2 decades. It will continue to slide as U.S. belligerence forces other countries to find safer places for their liquidity.
Any country that bought U.S. long term Treasuries 2 years ago, got a 20-40% haircut on their capital. That is what is on high boil in the background.

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 28 2023 14:14 utc | 465

Ukraine’s defeat won’t stop the war, not too sure what will. Miracles anyone?
Posted by: drezz0 | Sep 28 2023 7:10 utc | 202
The Exorbitant Privilege (Free Ride) of the U.S. dollar where the U.S. produces very little, yet creates U.S. dollars at near-zero cost, has had a long ride. That ride is over. And the U.S. dollar has been sliding from World Trade transactional percentages for 2 decades. It will continue to slide as U.S. belligerence forces other countries to find safer places for their liquidity.
Any country that bought U.S. long term Treasuries 2 years ago, got a 20-40% haircut on their capital. That is what is on high boil in the background.

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 28 2023 14:14 utc | 466

Lev Davidovich | Sep 27 2023 15:22 utc | 22
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Hmm, next I suppose you’ll claim that the Democratic Party and the NED are not selflessly dedicated to democracy. What next, most journalists are not real journalists? C’mon, man.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Sep 28 2023 14:23 utc | 467

Lev Davidovich | Sep 27 2023 15:22 utc | 22
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Hmm, next I suppose you’ll claim that the Democratic Party and the NED are not selflessly dedicated to democracy. What next, most journalists are not real journalists? C’mon, man.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Sep 28 2023 14:23 utc | 468

Re: Posted by: unimperator | Sep 28 2023 13:10 utc | 230

According to Military summary report, the Russians have destroyed most if not all bridges (3?) over the Oskol river, which will make AFU logistics to take a pretty hefty detour on the eastern side. The goal is obviously to take the entire territory on the eastern bank of Oskol

Strange. Why not take the entire northern bank of the Siversky Donets? The entire Donbas?
Why would Russia stop at the Oskol? That is not a way to win this war.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 28 2023 14:37 utc | 469

Re: Posted by: unimperator | Sep 28 2023 13:10 utc | 230

According to Military summary report, the Russians have destroyed most if not all bridges (3?) over the Oskol river, which will make AFU logistics to take a pretty hefty detour on the eastern side. The goal is obviously to take the entire territory on the eastern bank of Oskol

Strange. Why not take the entire northern bank of the Siversky Donets? The entire Donbas?
Why would Russia stop at the Oskol? That is not a way to win this war.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 28 2023 14:37 utc | 470

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn_uY2pgIJg
Moss Robeson interviews John Paul Himka on the ongoing battle of The Truth vs Trudeau.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 28 2023 15:02 utc | 471

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn_uY2pgIJg
Moss Robeson interviews John Paul Himka on the ongoing battle of The Truth vs Trudeau.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 28 2023 15:02 utc | 472

Slovak election on Saturday, quite probably returns a government not aligned with Slava Ukraina nor other parts of the EU agenda.
Polish election on October 15th with latest polls showing:
– In power Law and Justice Party (right wing nationalist) with 32.6%
– Confederation (hard-right, quite anti-Ukraine) with 9.5%
– Opposition Civic Platform Party (socially progressive neoliberal globalist shills) with 26.6%
– Third Way coalition (centrist neoliberal shills) with 10.6%
– New Left coalition (left-wing full on Russia-hating) with 9.9%
Its proportional representation with a 5% cut off for individual parties and 8% for coalitions. If the Third Way and New Left both get above 8%, the “non extreme right” parties would have 47.1% and the extreme right parties 42.1% with the balance currently undecided. So very much a toss up.
If Confederation become part of a government coalition then relations with Ukraine and the EU may significantly worsen. Sad that I am left hoping for a hard right party to gain support in Poland to help stop the madness in Ukraine.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 28 2023 15:03 utc | 473

Slovak election on Saturday, quite probably returns a government not aligned with Slava Ukraina nor other parts of the EU agenda.
Polish election on October 15th with latest polls showing:
– In power Law and Justice Party (right wing nationalist) with 32.6%
– Confederation (hard-right, quite anti-Ukraine) with 9.5%
– Opposition Civic Platform Party (socially progressive neoliberal globalist shills) with 26.6%
– Third Way coalition (centrist neoliberal shills) with 10.6%
– New Left coalition (left-wing full on Russia-hating) with 9.9%
Its proportional representation with a 5% cut off for individual parties and 8% for coalitions. If the Third Way and New Left both get above 8%, the “non extreme right” parties would have 47.1% and the extreme right parties 42.1% with the balance currently undecided. So very much a toss up.
If Confederation become part of a government coalition then relations with Ukraine and the EU may significantly worsen. Sad that I am left hoping for a hard right party to gain support in Poland to help stop the madness in Ukraine.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 28 2023 15:03 utc | 474

William Gruff | Sep 28 2023 14:07 utc | 232
Makes me feel like Whistler :”I wish I’d said that.”
Very well said, and thought out too. Outstanding.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 28 2023 15:05 utc | 475

William Gruff | Sep 28 2023 14:07 utc | 232
Makes me feel like Whistler :”I wish I’d said that.”
Very well said, and thought out too. Outstanding.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 28 2023 15:05 utc | 476

@Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 28 2023 14:07 utc | 232

The social sciences are still just mystical pseudoreligious musings due to the effort to build understanding of human social behavior while excluding a proper analysis of the most fundamental behavior, which is productive labor

The core imperative of social science “scholars” is rationalizing and justifying capitalism

Excellently put, I would place the adjective “Western” before “social sciences”, as I doubt that the social sciences in China are so hidebound by a lack of understanding of Marxism – although some Chinese economists do seem to be a little too enamoured with liberal capitalism.
Your post very much matches my internal voice many times when I am dealing with such social science colleagues.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 28 2023 15:11 utc | 477

@Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 28 2023 14:07 utc | 232

The social sciences are still just mystical pseudoreligious musings due to the effort to build understanding of human social behavior while excluding a proper analysis of the most fundamental behavior, which is productive labor

The core imperative of social science “scholars” is rationalizing and justifying capitalism

Excellently put, I would place the adjective “Western” before “social sciences”, as I doubt that the social sciences in China are so hidebound by a lack of understanding of Marxism – although some Chinese economists do seem to be a little too enamoured with liberal capitalism.
Your post very much matches my internal voice many times when I am dealing with such social science colleagues.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 28 2023 15:11 utc | 478

Saag | Sep 28 2023 12:12 utc | 38
“Turkey – Turkey”
The Ottoman Empire was pretty big. WW1 killed it.
“controlled much of Southeast Europe, Western Asia, and Northern Africa between the 14th and early 20th centuries”
Good scrappers but a nasty bunch.
Before the Armenians, there were the Bulgarians.
https://www.attackingthedevil.co.uk/related-texts/the-turkish-atrocities-in-bulgaria/
“right before us, almost beneath our horses’ feet, was a sight that made us shudder. It was a heap of skulls, intermingled with bones from all parts of the human body, skeletons nearly entire and rotting, clothing, human hair and putrid flesh lying there in one foul heap, around which the grass was growing luxuriantly. It emitted a sickening odour, like that of a dead horse, and it was here that the dogs had been seeking a hasty repast when our untimely approach interrupted them.
In the midst of this heap, I could distinguish the slight skeleton form, still enclosed in a chemise, the skull wrapped about with a coloured handkerchief, and the bony ankles encased in the embroidered footless stockings worn by Bulgarian girls. We looked about us. The ground was strewed with bones in every direction, where the dogs had carried them off to gnaw them at their leisure. At the distance of a hundred yards beneath us lay the town. As seen from our standpoint, it reminded one somewhat of the ruins of Herculaneum and Pompeii . There was not a roof left, not a whole wall standing; all was a mass of ruins, from which arose as we listened a low plaintive wail, like the “keening” of the Irish over their dead, that filled the little valley and gave it voice. We had the explanation of this curious sound when we afterwards descended into the village. We looked again at the heap of skulls and skeletons before us, and we observed that they were all small and that the articles of clothing intermingled with them and lying about were all women’s apparel. These, then, were all women and girls. From my saddle I counted about a hundred skulls, not including those that were hidden beneath the others in the ghastly heap nor those that were scattered far and wide through the fields. The skulls were nearly all separated from the rest of the bones – the skeletons were nearly all headless. These women had all been beheaded.”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 28 2023 15:25 utc | 479

Saag | Sep 28 2023 12:12 utc | 38
“Turkey – Turkey”
The Ottoman Empire was pretty big. WW1 killed it.
“controlled much of Southeast Europe, Western Asia, and Northern Africa between the 14th and early 20th centuries”
Good scrappers but a nasty bunch.
Before the Armenians, there were the Bulgarians.
https://www.attackingthedevil.co.uk/related-texts/the-turkish-atrocities-in-bulgaria/
“right before us, almost beneath our horses’ feet, was a sight that made us shudder. It was a heap of skulls, intermingled with bones from all parts of the human body, skeletons nearly entire and rotting, clothing, human hair and putrid flesh lying there in one foul heap, around which the grass was growing luxuriantly. It emitted a sickening odour, like that of a dead horse, and it was here that the dogs had been seeking a hasty repast when our untimely approach interrupted them.
In the midst of this heap, I could distinguish the slight skeleton form, still enclosed in a chemise, the skull wrapped about with a coloured handkerchief, and the bony ankles encased in the embroidered footless stockings worn by Bulgarian girls. We looked about us. The ground was strewed with bones in every direction, where the dogs had carried them off to gnaw them at their leisure. At the distance of a hundred yards beneath us lay the town. As seen from our standpoint, it reminded one somewhat of the ruins of Herculaneum and Pompeii . There was not a roof left, not a whole wall standing; all was a mass of ruins, from which arose as we listened a low plaintive wail, like the “keening” of the Irish over their dead, that filled the little valley and gave it voice. We had the explanation of this curious sound when we afterwards descended into the village. We looked again at the heap of skulls and skeletons before us, and we observed that they were all small and that the articles of clothing intermingled with them and lying about were all women’s apparel. These, then, were all women and girls. From my saddle I counted about a hundred skulls, not including those that were hidden beneath the others in the ghastly heap nor those that were scattered far and wide through the fields. The skulls were nearly all separated from the rest of the bones – the skeletons were nearly all headless. These women had all been beheaded.”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 28 2023 15:25 utc | 480

Waldorf@231…..position, sometimes, but risk, boldness and non conventional movement can play trickster on the most adapt of players.
Cheers M
trading pieces takes a cool head and a good understanding of your opponent’s abilities….or inabilities.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 28 2023 15:58 utc | 481

Waldorf@231…..position, sometimes, but risk, boldness and non conventional movement can play trickster on the most adapt of players.
Cheers M
trading pieces takes a cool head and a good understanding of your opponent’s abilities….or inabilities.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 28 2023 15:58 utc | 482

Kitchener , not a Lord yet came to the command. So what military tactics did Kitchener employ to win the war?
He created the modern concentration camp and imprisoned the wives and children of the Boer soldiers.
Posted by: canuck | Sep 28 2023 12:01 utc | 222
The concentration camps were built once Kitchener ordered a scorched earth policy and the Brits torched the Boer farms and slaughtered their livestock. The only way the British could subdue the mobile Boer guerilla fighters was to deny them supplies and places to rest in between fights.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 28 2023 16:09 utc | 483

Kitchener , not a Lord yet came to the command. So what military tactics did Kitchener employ to win the war?
He created the modern concentration camp and imprisoned the wives and children of the Boer soldiers.
Posted by: canuck | Sep 28 2023 12:01 utc | 222
The concentration camps were built once Kitchener ordered a scorched earth policy and the Brits torched the Boer farms and slaughtered their livestock. The only way the British could subdue the mobile Boer guerilla fighters was to deny them supplies and places to rest in between fights.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 28 2023 16:09 utc | 484

An excellent documentary on the Ukrainian Waffen SS, and its resettlement in the UK and Canada, by Mark Felton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_Gs-0dhOo
And the history of the Azov batalion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGdUtUefjCA

Posted by: Roger | Sep 28 2023 16:14 utc | 485

An excellent documentary on the Ukrainian Waffen SS, and its resettlement in the UK and Canada, by Mark Felton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_Gs-0dhOo
And the history of the Azov batalion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGdUtUefjCA

Posted by: Roger | Sep 28 2023 16:14 utc | 486

Bavarian provincial elections on 8.Oct; polls show
31% support for the 2 „populist“ parties (AFD and FW) . These 2 parties jointly polled around 20% 4 years ago. Bavaria, with 13 million population, is prosperous influential province.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 28 2023 16:37 utc | 487

Bavarian provincial elections on 8.Oct; polls show
31% support for the 2 „populist“ parties (AFD and FW) . These 2 parties jointly polled around 20% 4 years ago. Bavaria, with 13 million population, is prosperous influential province.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 28 2023 16:37 utc | 488

In Edmonton there is a statue of Roman Shukhevych, leader of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army responsible for murdering 100,000 Poles, Jews and Russians during WW2. It is in front of the Ukrainian youth centre, presumably to indoctrinate young Ukrainian Canadians in historical revisionism. There is also a monument in an Edmonton cemetery to the Galician Waffen SS Division as “freedom fighters”. With the recent fiasco in Parliament perhaps wokism is coming to Canada.

Posted by: Mike Price | Sep 28 2023 17:00 utc | 489

In Edmonton there is a statue of Roman Shukhevych, leader of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army responsible for murdering 100,000 Poles, Jews and Russians during WW2. It is in front of the Ukrainian youth centre, presumably to indoctrinate young Ukrainian Canadians in historical revisionism. There is also a monument in an Edmonton cemetery to the Galician Waffen SS Division as “freedom fighters”. With the recent fiasco in Parliament perhaps wokism is coming to Canada.

Posted by: Mike Price | Sep 28 2023 17:00 utc | 490

Lavrov’s interview with TASS deals with some of the lies and what they produced, “Merkle, Hollande, Poroshenko “destroyed Ukraine’s territorial integrity”–Lavrov”. For a change, the interview’s short.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2023 17:03 utc | 491

Lavrov’s interview with TASS deals with some of the lies and what they produced, “Merkle, Hollande, Poroshenko “destroyed Ukraine’s territorial integrity”–Lavrov”. For a change, the interview’s short.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2023 17:03 utc | 492

Mike Price | Sep 28 2023 17:00 utc | 245–
The presence of such statuary suggests wokism became imbedded in Canada quite sometime ago.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2023 17:05 utc | 493

Mike Price | Sep 28 2023 17:00 utc | 245–
The presence of such statuary suggests wokism became imbedded in Canada quite sometime ago.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2023 17:05 utc | 494

Posted by: Colin | Sep 27 2023 23:32 utc | 151
You can easily get another definition from searching: an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit. – Oxford Languages
BS also.
Private owners don’t own corporations and besides, it is not a political system.
You yourself are likely to control (own) your own labor and sell it for profit. As an owner.
Also, unless you live alone in a cave somewhere, or are elsewise predisposed to be clueless, the psychopathic powers that be use the destruction of the meanings of words to manipulate thinking.
The Scientific Method is no longer science and sex is whatever is currently acceptable.

Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Sep 28 2023 18:28 utc | 495

Posted by: Colin | Sep 27 2023 23:32 utc | 151
You can easily get another definition from searching: an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit. – Oxford Languages
BS also.
Private owners don’t own corporations and besides, it is not a political system.
You yourself are likely to control (own) your own labor and sell it for profit. As an owner.
Also, unless you live alone in a cave somewhere, or are elsewise predisposed to be clueless, the psychopathic powers that be use the destruction of the meanings of words to manipulate thinking.
The Scientific Method is no longer science and sex is whatever is currently acceptable.

Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Sep 28 2023 18:28 utc | 496

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 3:43 utc | 186

Posted by: Ed | Sep 28 2023 1:04 utc | 171
Because the book actually endorses geographical determinism.

Of course, reactionaries who loathe the role of matter and believe that what people say is what actually exists (e.g., James M.) may still hate it because the book emphasizes matter.
—-
Hey, Ed, as this snip from the admittedly corrupt mouthpiece of the establishment says:

While archaic versions of the geographic interpretation were used to encourage colonialism and eurocentrism, modern figures like Diamond use this approach to reject the racism in these explanations. Diamond argues that European powers were able to colonize due to unique advantages bestowed by their environment as opposed to any kind of inherent superiority.
“>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_determinism

I read the book decades ago. It seemed to me like common sense. Latitude changes disrupt crops and animals. The size of continents has a bearing on what kind of large mammals can do well. People with guns can massacre people without them. If Diamond left out one factor, it was naval technology. Geography caused the people of Western Europe to do a lot of sailing, especially the island country of Britain and the waterlogged Dutch. They had been sailors forever. These are simply facts, not some ideological handwaving.
You gotta do better than the broad brush dismissal of “determinism”.

Posted by: john brewster | Sep 28 2023 18:39 utc | 497

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 3:43 utc | 186

Posted by: Ed | Sep 28 2023 1:04 utc | 171
Because the book actually endorses geographical determinism.

Of course, reactionaries who loathe the role of matter and believe that what people say is what actually exists (e.g., James M.) may still hate it because the book emphasizes matter.
—-
Hey, Ed, as this snip from the admittedly corrupt mouthpiece of the establishment says:

While archaic versions of the geographic interpretation were used to encourage colonialism and eurocentrism, modern figures like Diamond use this approach to reject the racism in these explanations. Diamond argues that European powers were able to colonize due to unique advantages bestowed by their environment as opposed to any kind of inherent superiority.
“>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_determinism

I read the book decades ago. It seemed to me like common sense. Latitude changes disrupt crops and animals. The size of continents has a bearing on what kind of large mammals can do well. People with guns can massacre people without them. If Diamond left out one factor, it was naval technology. Geography caused the people of Western Europe to do a lot of sailing, especially the island country of Britain and the waterlogged Dutch. They had been sailors forever. These are simply facts, not some ideological handwaving.
You gotta do better than the broad brush dismissal of “determinism”.

Posted by: john brewster | Sep 28 2023 18:39 utc | 498

As today’s main discussion appears to have evolved past Nazism, to the other ism’s and that there are many here today who are far more learned in the finer aspects of defining said systems than I, could you help an old fella understand something that’s relevant to the current economy?
Headline;
“Northvolt gets billions from Canada to build Quebec EV battery plant”
Body;
“Sweden’s Northvolt AB said clean power and access to critical raw materials alongside generous subsidies swayed its decision to pick a site close to Montreal for its first electric vehicle battery plant in North America.
The $7 billion project sets up Northvolt, founded by former Tesla Inc. employees, to become a global player as Western nations seek to lessen EV battery dependence on China.
To help attract Northvolt, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government is matching subsidies available for U.S. manufacturing under the Inflation Reduction Act. The support during construction as well as battery production may amount to more than $5 billion, and follows similar commitments for Volkswagen AG and Stellantis NV factories in Ontario.”
“It will make our country one of the few places with this capacity outside of Asia,” said Trudeau at a news conference in Montreal.”
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/northvolt-gets-billions-from-canada-to-build-quebec-ev-battery-plant-1.1977685
Capitalism, Socialism or Communism? Or should we invent a new term? Modernists are good at that. Say CSCism? All the monkeys in the barrel..:)
Btw, have you seen what US 10 yr is at today?

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 28 2023 18:48 utc | 499

As today’s main discussion appears to have evolved past Nazism, to the other ism’s and that there are many here today who are far more learned in the finer aspects of defining said systems than I, could you help an old fella understand something that’s relevant to the current economy?
Headline;
“Northvolt gets billions from Canada to build Quebec EV battery plant”
Body;
“Sweden’s Northvolt AB said clean power and access to critical raw materials alongside generous subsidies swayed its decision to pick a site close to Montreal for its first electric vehicle battery plant in North America.
The $7 billion project sets up Northvolt, founded by former Tesla Inc. employees, to become a global player as Western nations seek to lessen EV battery dependence on China.
To help attract Northvolt, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government is matching subsidies available for U.S. manufacturing under the Inflation Reduction Act. The support during construction as well as battery production may amount to more than $5 billion, and follows similar commitments for Volkswagen AG and Stellantis NV factories in Ontario.”
“It will make our country one of the few places with this capacity outside of Asia,” said Trudeau at a news conference in Montreal.”
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/northvolt-gets-billions-from-canada-to-build-quebec-ev-battery-plant-1.1977685
Capitalism, Socialism or Communism? Or should we invent a new term? Modernists are good at that. Say CSCism? All the monkeys in the barrel..:)
Btw, have you seen what US 10 yr is at today?

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 28 2023 18:48 utc | 500