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September 27, 2023
Mainstream Media Admit – Ukraine’s Propaganda Is Full Of Lies

As a sign of the turning narrative of the war in Ukraine we find a new New York Times piece about 'disinformation' that is not about Russia but about lies from Ukraine.

Andrew E. Kramer, the NYT correspondent in Kiev, opens with an anecdote from the first weeks of the war:

Six weeks after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukraine sank the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, dealing a serious blow to the enemy navy, and, a Ukrainian official said, killing the ship’s captain.

“We do not mourn,” an adviser to the interior minister at the time, Anton Gerashchenko, said.

The only problem was that the captain — or somebody who resembled him — later appeared in a video of survivors released by the Russian Navy. He had escaped his sinking ship, the Moskva, the video seemed to indicate.

Then comes a paragraph that could fit both countries but the following one it is again related to disinformation from Ukraine:

What is clear is that misdirection, disinformation and propaganda are weapons regularly deployed in Russia’s war in Ukraine to buoy spirits at home, demoralize the enemy or lead opponents into a trap. And it is often hard to know when reports are false or why they may have been disseminated.

Now, Ukraine and Russia are offering dueling narratives over whether a more senior Russian naval officer, the commanding admiral of the Black Sea Fleet, is alive or dead.

Well, in this interview Adm. Viktor Sokolov looks quite alive.

Then comes an astonishing admission:

Few military analysts, […], believe the Ukrainian military’s optimistic daily account of Russian casualties running into the hundreds that is nonetheless reported widely in Ukrainian media.

It is the first time I see a public refutation of Ukraine's laughable claims about Russian casualties in the mainstream media. It is also an indictment of the Biden administration and the Pentagon who publicly use the Ukrainian numbers.

The piece ends with a wise acknowledgement:

Mr. Gerashchenko said that, in the end, war propaganda is only effective when it accompanies battlefield successes. The missile strike on the headquarters of the Russian Black Sea Fleet last week, he said, was a “stunning success of Ukrainian intelligence and the air force that fired the cruise missiles on a supposedly well-defended site.”

You cannot win the propaganda war without winning the real war,” he added.

Oh really? Guess who told you so:

Good to see that this obvious truth is finally sinking in.

Yesterday the Minister of Defense in Russia, Sergei Shoigu, gave an update (in Russian) on the war in Ukraine. The speech seemed to include a time frame for the war to end (machine translation):

The United States and its allies continue to arm the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the Kiev regime throws untrained soldiers into senseless assaults, for slaughter.

Such cynical actions by the West and their cronies in Kiev only encourage Ukraine to self-destruct."

"Under these conditions, we continue to increase the combat power of the Armed Forces, including through the supply of modern weapons and improving the training of troops, taking into account the experience of a special military operation. Consistent implementation of the activities of the Action Plan until 2025 will allow us to achieve our goals."

Shoigu expects the war to run throughout 2024 and into 2025. But if the current loss rate of the Ukrainian army continues the country will be running out of soldiers and armored vehicles before the end of next year.

Schadenfreude:

Comments

Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Sep 27 2023 19:54 utc | 102
You can easily get another definition from searching: an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit. – Oxford Languages
The world is currently awash with capitalism, even in Nigeria, Russia, Belarus and China.
False definitions claim that capitalism is necessarily associated with free markets or free enterprise, even though this has never been a reality, unless you claim that “there has never been true capitalism”.
The bourgeoisie are only concerned with free competition when they can maximize their profits, but freedom is also limited to the extent that it does not lead to an excessive drop in profits that would make it impossible for them to profit.
The petit-bourgeois garage-sale free-market fantasy is simply a consequence of the fact that they are not yet in the bourgeois position they crave. They mistakenly think that the free market means that they can acquire bourgeois status and reap huge profits, ignoring the fact that the big profits come precisely from monopoly status.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 27 2023 23:32 utc | 301

Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Sep 27 2023 19:54 utc | 102
You can easily get another definition from searching: an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit. – Oxford Languages
The world is currently awash with capitalism, even in Nigeria, Russia, Belarus and China.
False definitions claim that capitalism is necessarily associated with free markets or free enterprise, even though this has never been a reality, unless you claim that “there has never been true capitalism”.
The bourgeoisie are only concerned with free competition when they can maximize their profits, but freedom is also limited to the extent that it does not lead to an excessive drop in profits that would make it impossible for them to profit.
The petit-bourgeois garage-sale free-market fantasy is simply a consequence of the fact that they are not yet in the bourgeois position they crave. They mistakenly think that the free market means that they can acquire bourgeois status and reap huge profits, ignoring the fact that the big profits come precisely from monopoly status.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 27 2023 23:32 utc | 302

Mainstream Media Admit – Ukraine’s Propaganda Is Full Of Lies
Posted by b on September 27, 2023 at 13:50 UTC | Permalink
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Color me off-side, but except for NYT, I m still not seeing it.
Anyone else here have any data points?

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 27 2023 23:34 utc | 303

Mainstream Media Admit – Ukraine’s Propaganda Is Full Of Lies
Posted by b on September 27, 2023 at 13:50 UTC | Permalink
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Color me off-side, but except for NYT, I m still not seeing it.
Anyone else here have any data points?

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 27 2023 23:34 utc | 304

“There is no such thing as “social marxism”, taking the class struggle out of Marxism and still calling it Marxism is akin to taking the beef out of a burger and still calling it a burger.”
Posted by: Roger | Sep 27 2023 19:09 utc | 87
Thanks for this Roger, much better that what I could have added on a tired day. But there is one additional important point I’ll try to describe; perhaps someone deeper in this history can provide more information. The U.S. far-right media and probably capitalist and oligarch propaganda worldwide work very hard to conflate leftists with, well, basically anything disgusting and unpleasant ever found, from today’s oligarch-run Democratic Party, to so-called “Cultural Marxism” (as Roger discussed in detail), to the worst disasters in USSR and Chinese Communism, and even to the Nazi party in Germany! Weirdly, the Nazis themselves wanted to be fake socialists back then, when socialism was popular; now the far right here wants to dismiss the left by saying the German Nazi party was actually socialist! Unbelievable! This is something the far right (and their rich supporters) have been doing for probably a full century at least, and continue to this day for the same reason: actual leftists and their organizations are exactly the ones who are working to create economic and political strength for the working class, for the average people of the world; meanwhile, the right is all about power for corporations and the elite (note that left and right are not about liberalism or conservative issues generally, but economics and power – you can be a religious conservative but also a leftist, or a right-wing gay). Therefore the oligarchs of the world make great effort to mislead the working class about the goals of the left – to claim that much-hated elites are somehow leftists – and to instead have the working class sign up for the exciting but ultimately elitist and corporate intent of the far/fascist right. There are some highly intelligent working people posting here who nonetheless believe what they’ve heard in far-right media, twisted definitions of what actual leftists stand for. It’s a deliberately false claim by elites with deliberately dangerous results for working people, and I hope those of you who think this will try to learn more. Only then can we start talking about real leftist solutions to the political catastrophes currently in progress.

Posted by: TM | Sep 27 2023 23:36 utc | 305

“There is no such thing as “social marxism”, taking the class struggle out of Marxism and still calling it Marxism is akin to taking the beef out of a burger and still calling it a burger.”
Posted by: Roger | Sep 27 2023 19:09 utc | 87
Thanks for this Roger, much better that what I could have added on a tired day. But there is one additional important point I’ll try to describe; perhaps someone deeper in this history can provide more information. The U.S. far-right media and probably capitalist and oligarch propaganda worldwide work very hard to conflate leftists with, well, basically anything disgusting and unpleasant ever found, from today’s oligarch-run Democratic Party, to so-called “Cultural Marxism” (as Roger discussed in detail), to the worst disasters in USSR and Chinese Communism, and even to the Nazi party in Germany! Weirdly, the Nazis themselves wanted to be fake socialists back then, when socialism was popular; now the far right here wants to dismiss the left by saying the German Nazi party was actually socialist! Unbelievable! This is something the far right (and their rich supporters) have been doing for probably a full century at least, and continue to this day for the same reason: actual leftists and their organizations are exactly the ones who are working to create economic and political strength for the working class, for the average people of the world; meanwhile, the right is all about power for corporations and the elite (note that left and right are not about liberalism or conservative issues generally, but economics and power – you can be a religious conservative but also a leftist, or a right-wing gay). Therefore the oligarchs of the world make great effort to mislead the working class about the goals of the left – to claim that much-hated elites are somehow leftists – and to instead have the working class sign up for the exciting but ultimately elitist and corporate intent of the far/fascist right. There are some highly intelligent working people posting here who nonetheless believe what they’ve heard in far-right media, twisted definitions of what actual leftists stand for. It’s a deliberately false claim by elites with deliberately dangerous results for working people, and I hope those of you who think this will try to learn more. Only then can we start talking about real leftist solutions to the political catastrophes currently in progress.

Posted by: TM | Sep 27 2023 23:36 utc | 306

The Nazis were quite supportive of traditional family values.
Posted by: Colin | Sep 27 2023 23:16 utc | 148

There was even the so-called Mutterkreuz for females who ensured a sufficient supply of future cannon fodder for the Reich.

Cross of Honour of the German Mother
Classes
1st class, Gold Cross: eligible mothers with eight or more children
2nd class, Silver Cross: eligible mothers with six or seven children
3rd class, Bronze Cross: eligible mothers with four or five children

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Honour_of_the_German_Mother

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 27 2023 23:39 utc | 307

The Nazis were quite supportive of traditional family values.
Posted by: Colin | Sep 27 2023 23:16 utc | 148

There was even the so-called Mutterkreuz for females who ensured a sufficient supply of future cannon fodder for the Reich.

Cross of Honour of the German Mother
Classes
1st class, Gold Cross: eligible mothers with eight or more children
2nd class, Silver Cross: eligible mothers with six or seven children
3rd class, Bronze Cross: eligible mothers with four or five children

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Honour_of_the_German_Mother

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 27 2023 23:39 utc | 308

Bubbles @ 35:

“… Could someone who got elected to a seat in Canada’s Federal parliament be that lacking in general knowledge? …”

You ought to see the idiots who get elected to Australia’s Federal Parliament in Canberra, you’ll surely weep.
Also Britain briefly had a Prime Minister who couldn’t tell the difference between the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea.
I should say that in the case of Anthony Rota, the appearance of Jaroslav Hunka would have been arranged by his office staff – every politician elected to federal or state office in Canada would have office assistants assigned to him/her who organise his/her timetable and diary appointments – and Ukrainian-Canadian community and veterans’ groups in his electorate. Rota may not have realised until the day before Hunka’s appearance in Ottawa that he was to introduce the fellow to other parliamentarians during Zelensky’s visit. This probably says something about how much Rota and his office staff keep in contact on a daily basis. It is quite possible too that the Ukrainian-Canadian groups who put Hunka forward deliberately kept his record as a soldier in the 14th Waffen SS Galicia division secret.
One would think though that all military veterans put forward to appear in Parliament in the way Hunka was, should have security checks run on their past as a matter of course to ascertain whether they have committed war crimes, regardless of whose side they fought on and no matter how old they are. The appearance of Hunka then represents a major bungle that occurred at several levels: Rota’s staff didn’t do their homework on this man’s past history and the bureaucrats in Ottawa also failed to run a check on him.
It is possible also that Chrystia Freeland may have had a hand in pushing Hunka forward by interfering in or suppressing the normal processes of investigating his past. If so, you wonder how much then she might be dominating Ottawa’s internal politics especially as Trudeau appears so clueless and idiotic about so many things.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 27 2023 23:39 utc | 309

Bubbles @ 35:

“… Could someone who got elected to a seat in Canada’s Federal parliament be that lacking in general knowledge? …”

You ought to see the idiots who get elected to Australia’s Federal Parliament in Canberra, you’ll surely weep.
Also Britain briefly had a Prime Minister who couldn’t tell the difference between the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea.
I should say that in the case of Anthony Rota, the appearance of Jaroslav Hunka would have been arranged by his office staff – every politician elected to federal or state office in Canada would have office assistants assigned to him/her who organise his/her timetable and diary appointments – and Ukrainian-Canadian community and veterans’ groups in his electorate. Rota may not have realised until the day before Hunka’s appearance in Ottawa that he was to introduce the fellow to other parliamentarians during Zelensky’s visit. This probably says something about how much Rota and his office staff keep in contact on a daily basis. It is quite possible too that the Ukrainian-Canadian groups who put Hunka forward deliberately kept his record as a soldier in the 14th Waffen SS Galicia division secret.
One would think though that all military veterans put forward to appear in Parliament in the way Hunka was, should have security checks run on their past as a matter of course to ascertain whether they have committed war crimes, regardless of whose side they fought on and no matter how old they are. The appearance of Hunka then represents a major bungle that occurred at several levels: Rota’s staff didn’t do their homework on this man’s past history and the bureaucrats in Ottawa also failed to run a check on him.
It is possible also that Chrystia Freeland may have had a hand in pushing Hunka forward by interfering in or suppressing the normal processes of investigating his past. If so, you wonder how much then she might be dominating Ottawa’s internal politics especially as Trudeau appears so clueless and idiotic about so many things.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 27 2023 23:39 utc | 310

YetAnotherAnon @ 106, Don Firineach @ 108:

: … On 23 March 1947, the United Kingdom granted asylum to the entire 14th [Waffen Grenadier] Division, whose men were subsequently settled in the United Kingdom, Canada and Australia.’ “

Hmm, that could explain why our former Prime Minister Tony Abbott was always drawn to the Ukrainian community centred around Strathfield in Sydney’s inner west suburbs, to the extent of neglecting his constituents in his Manly-Warringah seat … wherever there might be fascists and Nazis, Abbott was never far away.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 27 2023 23:48 utc | 311

YetAnotherAnon @ 106, Don Firineach @ 108:

: … On 23 March 1947, the United Kingdom granted asylum to the entire 14th [Waffen Grenadier] Division, whose men were subsequently settled in the United Kingdom, Canada and Australia.’ “

Hmm, that could explain why our former Prime Minister Tony Abbott was always drawn to the Ukrainian community centred around Strathfield in Sydney’s inner west suburbs, to the extent of neglecting his constituents in his Manly-Warringah seat … wherever there might be fascists and Nazis, Abbott was never far away.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 27 2023 23:48 utc | 312

Breaker 1-9, Blacksheep on the horn, over.
Hal Turner just now coming in with confirmed(10-4) reports of the first M1A1 Abrams tanks arriving in Ukraine. Shit is on the cusp of hitting the proverbial fan with Russia mere weeks away from declaring the USA a combatant.
Over and out.

Posted by: LtGen_Breedluvv | Sep 27 2023 23:48 utc | 313

Breaker 1-9, Blacksheep on the horn, over.
Hal Turner just now coming in with confirmed(10-4) reports of the first M1A1 Abrams tanks arriving in Ukraine. Shit is on the cusp of hitting the proverbial fan with Russia mere weeks away from declaring the USA a combatant.
Over and out.

Posted by: LtGen_Breedluvv | Sep 27 2023 23:48 utc | 314

What do you mean by “fascist phase”?
I can only understand that you are confusing Machiavellianism with fascism.
Posted by: Colin | Sep 27 2023 23:20 utc | 149
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By fascism, I mean governance without dissent and near complete government control of the economy (black markets will always exist). I’ve read The Prince a few times. I don’t recall suppression of domestic dissent.
Fascism is an inevitable outcome in any political system on a long enough time scale, IMO. That’s different than Machiavellanism which, to me, seems to focus a lot on tactics relative to the technology of its time. Maybe Machiavelli’s thoughts hold a lot of power for innocent minds who don’t understand how cruel and amoral politics actually is.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 28 2023 0:01 utc | 315

What do you mean by “fascist phase”?
I can only understand that you are confusing Machiavellianism with fascism.
Posted by: Colin | Sep 27 2023 23:20 utc | 149
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By fascism, I mean governance without dissent and near complete government control of the economy (black markets will always exist). I’ve read The Prince a few times. I don’t recall suppression of domestic dissent.
Fascism is an inevitable outcome in any political system on a long enough time scale, IMO. That’s different than Machiavellanism which, to me, seems to focus a lot on tactics relative to the technology of its time. Maybe Machiavelli’s thoughts hold a lot of power for innocent minds who don’t understand how cruel and amoral politics actually is.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 28 2023 0:01 utc | 316

karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 16:28 utc | 44
…[Canada]…The main thing is that they not only knew, but are the ideologists of this very company of support for Bandera…
The same holds for Germany.
As long as you all remember Canada is not a person, we hate our leaders more than any time in history.
I find it funny the news and internet people act like China or Canada is a person that gets mad or makes drama or wants to fight some other country.
USA is mad at China…lol it’s a weird game our leaders are playing right now and I don’t like it.

Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 28 2023 0:02 utc | 317

karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 16:28 utc | 44
…[Canada]…The main thing is that they not only knew, but are the ideologists of this very company of support for Bandera…
The same holds for Germany.
As long as you all remember Canada is not a person, we hate our leaders more than any time in history.
I find it funny the news and internet people act like China or Canada is a person that gets mad or makes drama or wants to fight some other country.
USA is mad at China…lol it’s a weird game our leaders are playing right now and I don’t like it.

Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 28 2023 0:02 utc | 318

The Nazis (National SOCIALIST workers’ party) are left wing. The RIGHTwingers support traditional families, traditional values. Something Russia is at least claiming to do, while the West actively destroys them.
MSM continuously conflates Nazis with the rightwing. That is projecting, what they do all the time. It is the left who support fascism.
Posted by: Gerry | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 8
The key phrase there is NATIONAL not socialist. Nationalism pervades Nazism and even fascism, making them right-wing political movements.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 0:07 utc | 319

The Nazis (National SOCIALIST workers’ party) are left wing. The RIGHTwingers support traditional families, traditional values. Something Russia is at least claiming to do, while the West actively destroys them.
MSM continuously conflates Nazis with the rightwing. That is projecting, what they do all the time. It is the left who support fascism.
Posted by: Gerry | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 8
The key phrase there is NATIONAL not socialist. Nationalism pervades Nazism and even fascism, making them right-wing political movements.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 0:07 utc | 320

Refinnejenna | Sep 27 2023 23:48 utc | 155
>…Abbott | Ukrainian diaspora.
And. Remember. Abbott and MH-17. That he’d committed 3,000 Australian troops to Ukraine as part of the MH-17 imbroglio.
The issue got quickly obscured…. The Opposition didn’t really want to open the lid to that septic tank….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 28 2023 0:12 utc | 321

Refinnejenna | Sep 27 2023 23:48 utc | 155
>…Abbott | Ukrainian diaspora.
And. Remember. Abbott and MH-17. That he’d committed 3,000 Australian troops to Ukraine as part of the MH-17 imbroglio.
The issue got quickly obscured…. The Opposition didn’t really want to open the lid to that septic tank….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 28 2023 0:12 utc | 322

bevin | Sep 27 2023 15:00 utc | 18
Whatever crimes the Germans did commit in WWII the Holocaust wasn’t one of them. The HoloHoax is a false historical narrative: https://www.scribd.com/document/559529210/Holocaust-Deprogramming-Course
Banderites murdered huge numbers of Poles, Jews and others BUT Auschwitz and the other internment work camps didn’t.
Ron

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 28 2023 0:12 utc | 323

bevin | Sep 27 2023 15:00 utc | 18
Whatever crimes the Germans did commit in WWII the Holocaust wasn’t one of them. The HoloHoax is a false historical narrative: https://www.scribd.com/document/559529210/Holocaust-Deprogramming-Course
Banderites murdered huge numbers of Poles, Jews and others BUT Auschwitz and the other internment work camps didn’t.
Ron

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 28 2023 0:12 utc | 324

The problem lies in your last sentance Colin….”in order to secure the future of the Aryan race”.
Thats an FRIGHTENING broad brush.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 27 2023 23:24 utc | 150
I don’t know if that is a direct quote from Hitler, but it does come from the Fourteen Words from Neo-Nazi David Lane – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words. Colin the Undergrad must travel in strange circles…

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 0:17 utc | 325

The problem lies in your last sentance Colin….”in order to secure the future of the Aryan race”.
Thats an FRIGHTENING broad brush.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 27 2023 23:24 utc | 150
I don’t know if that is a direct quote from Hitler, but it does come from the Fourteen Words from Neo-Nazi David Lane – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words. Colin the Undergrad must travel in strange circles…

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 0:17 utc | 326

Posted by: Tenet | Sep 27 2023 14:12 utc | 5
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What the fuck was that all about. Could you give us some information, some reference to look at. You babbled a lot about someone named “socialistslayer”, but who the FUCK is socialistslayer, and who gives a FUCK! Make sense or don’t post until you can.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 28 2023 0:22 utc | 327

Posted by: Tenet | Sep 27 2023 14:12 utc | 5
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What the fuck was that all about. Could you give us some information, some reference to look at. You babbled a lot about someone named “socialistslayer”, but who the FUCK is socialistslayer, and who gives a FUCK! Make sense or don’t post until you can.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 28 2023 0:22 utc | 328

My long and attempted clear post seems to have vanished, so here is a tiny one instead. Leftists work for economic and political power for regular working people. The right wing is for elite and oligarch economic and political power. That is the historical meaning, but no wonder so many think otherwise, since there’s nobody oligarchs hate more than leftists. They’ll come up with all kinds of confusion to keep the workers from working together to fight for their own power. Left and right are not liberal and conservative generally, you can be a conservative Christian leftist or a gay right winger, no problem. Hope that helps you all, because we really need to work together to get a society that works for everyone.

Posted by: TM | Sep 28 2023 0:23 utc | 329

My long and attempted clear post seems to have vanished, so here is a tiny one instead. Leftists work for economic and political power for regular working people. The right wing is for elite and oligarch economic and political power. That is the historical meaning, but no wonder so many think otherwise, since there’s nobody oligarchs hate more than leftists. They’ll come up with all kinds of confusion to keep the workers from working together to fight for their own power. Left and right are not liberal and conservative generally, you can be a conservative Christian leftist or a gay right winger, no problem. Hope that helps you all, because we really need to work together to get a society that works for everyone.

Posted by: TM | Sep 28 2023 0:23 utc | 330

Oh, and you can be a nationalist leftist too, lots of working class-run countries love their countries, and there are plenty of right wing globalist oligarchs.

Posted by: TM | Sep 28 2023 0:29 utc | 331

Oh, and you can be a nationalist leftist too, lots of working class-run countries love their countries, and there are plenty of right wing globalist oligarchs.

Posted by: TM | Sep 28 2023 0:29 utc | 332

Banderites murdered huge numbers of Poles, Jews and others BUT Auschwitz and the other internment work camps didn’t.
Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 28 2023 0:12 utc | 161

To help you recover, I recommend Rudolf Höß’s memoirs as bedtime reading.
https://www.amazon.de/Death-Dealer-Memoirs-Kommandant-Auschwitz/dp/0306806983
Straight from the horse’s mouth, so to speak.

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 28 2023 0:29 utc | 333

Banderites murdered huge numbers of Poles, Jews and others BUT Auschwitz and the other internment work camps didn’t.
Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 28 2023 0:12 utc | 161

To help you recover, I recommend Rudolf Höß’s memoirs as bedtime reading.
https://www.amazon.de/Death-Dealer-Memoirs-Kommandant-Auschwitz/dp/0306806983
Straight from the horse’s mouth, so to speak.

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 28 2023 0:29 utc | 334

Oh, and you can be a nationalist leftist too, lots of working class-run countries love their countries, and there are plenty of right wing globalist oligarchs.
Posted by: TM | Sep 28 2023 0:29 utc | 165
There’s a huge difference between loving your country and ultranationalism to the point you want to exterminate other races to benefit your own.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 0:34 utc | 335

Oh, and you can be a nationalist leftist too, lots of working class-run countries love their countries, and there are plenty of right wing globalist oligarchs.
Posted by: TM | Sep 28 2023 0:29 utc | 165
There’s a huge difference between loving your country and ultranationalism to the point you want to exterminate other races to benefit your own.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 0:34 utc | 336

Do you know the Canazidastani propagandist Gwynne Dyer? This creature – a “peace activist” who, among other things I don’t remember just now,
1. Is a self professed Reagan admirer
2. Spent approximately 33 years, circa 1989-2012, predicting the “imminent and inevitable collapse” of China
3. Forecast the overthrow of Lukashenko by the 2020 Belarus colour revolution attempt
4. Claims billionaires are the best people to rule poor countries because “they are so rich that they do not need to steal”
5. Claims Putin tried to murder the poor freedom loving democrat Nalvalny, whose racist statements about killing Chechens Dyer tries to explain away
now says Ukranazistan has slowly but steadily made a major breach in the first line of Russian defence, through which it is pouring heavy equipment, and while it admits that Ukranazistan won’t make it to the Black Sea this year, it forecasts that it will slowly “starve” Russia out of Crimea by hitting communication routes with HIMARS.
Oh, and the Russian government is sunk in paranoia with the knowledge of coming defeat.
Or something.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 28 2023 0:35 utc | 337

Do you know the Canazidastani propagandist Gwynne Dyer? This creature – a “peace activist” who, among other things I don’t remember just now,
1. Is a self professed Reagan admirer
2. Spent approximately 33 years, circa 1989-2012, predicting the “imminent and inevitable collapse” of China
3. Forecast the overthrow of Lukashenko by the 2020 Belarus colour revolution attempt
4. Claims billionaires are the best people to rule poor countries because “they are so rich that they do not need to steal”
5. Claims Putin tried to murder the poor freedom loving democrat Nalvalny, whose racist statements about killing Chechens Dyer tries to explain away
now says Ukranazistan has slowly but steadily made a major breach in the first line of Russian defence, through which it is pouring heavy equipment, and while it admits that Ukranazistan won’t make it to the Black Sea this year, it forecasts that it will slowly “starve” Russia out of Crimea by hitting communication routes with HIMARS.
Oh, and the Russian government is sunk in paranoia with the knowledge of coming defeat.
Or something.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 28 2023 0:35 utc | 338

Oh, and you can be a nationalist leftist too, lots of working class-run countries love their countries, and there are plenty of right wing globalist oligarchs.
Posted by: TM | Sep 28 2023 0:29 utc | 165
There’s a huge difference between loving your country and ultranationalism to the point you want to exterminate other races to benefit your own.
Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 0:34 utc | 167
Certainly there are plenty of rightwing extreme nationalist countries. Ukraine? Then I imagine Russia is rather conservative, national, but also rather leftist in the way it’s trying to build a prosperous economy for all. Meanwhile with the U.S I’d call it very liberal at the government level now, preposterously even, but extreme rightwing in the economy and extreme nationalism/imperialism.

Posted by: TM | Sep 28 2023 0:53 utc | 339

Oh, and you can be a nationalist leftist too, lots of working class-run countries love their countries, and there are plenty of right wing globalist oligarchs.
Posted by: TM | Sep 28 2023 0:29 utc | 165
There’s a huge difference between loving your country and ultranationalism to the point you want to exterminate other races to benefit your own.
Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 0:34 utc | 167
Certainly there are plenty of rightwing extreme nationalist countries. Ukraine? Then I imagine Russia is rather conservative, national, but also rather leftist in the way it’s trying to build a prosperous economy for all. Meanwhile with the U.S I’d call it very liberal at the government level now, preposterously even, but extreme rightwing in the economy and extreme nationalism/imperialism.

Posted by: TM | Sep 28 2023 0:53 utc | 340

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 28 2023 0:12 utc | 161
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How long have you suffered from these delusions? Does it run it the family? What do you think they were doing at Auschwitz and the other internment work camps? I suppose they (the Nazis) had nurseries and pre-school programs for the children and infirmaries for the elderly too old to work: And at night everyone ate a wunderbar kosher meal and sang songs praising Hitler, while dancing all night.
Moses could not have been a better host for the Jews, Gypsies, Poles, communist, and Russians at the festive Auschwitz Concentration Camp. It must have been wonderful; wouldn’t you agree Ron? You dumb fucking shit, crawl back into the hole that you came from.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 28 2023 0:54 utc | 341

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 28 2023 0:12 utc | 161
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How long have you suffered from these delusions? Does it run it the family? What do you think they were doing at Auschwitz and the other internment work camps? I suppose they (the Nazis) had nurseries and pre-school programs for the children and infirmaries for the elderly too old to work: And at night everyone ate a wunderbar kosher meal and sang songs praising Hitler, while dancing all night.
Moses could not have been a better host for the Jews, Gypsies, Poles, communist, and Russians at the festive Auschwitz Concentration Camp. It must have been wonderful; wouldn’t you agree Ron? You dumb fucking shit, crawl back into the hole that you came from.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 28 2023 0:54 utc | 342

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 28 2023 0:35 utc | 168
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His early book “Guns, Germs, and Steel” was considered a liberal book. But the Marxist that I hanged around with saw it for what it was, a piece of reactionary bullshit.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 28 2023 1:04 utc | 343

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 28 2023 0:35 utc | 168
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His early book “Guns, Germs, and Steel” was considered a liberal book. But the Marxist that I hanged around with saw it for what it was, a piece of reactionary bullshit.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 28 2023 1:04 utc | 344

Tracking flight arrivals at Rzeszow airport in Poland gives a very good indication of NATO weapons to Ukr. Russia should constantly watch them. Transport movement from there to Ukr means weapons deliveries.
F16s are most likely to land at Rzeszow airport in Poland before flying into Ukr.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 28 2023 1:21 utc | 345

Tracking flight arrivals at Rzeszow airport in Poland gives a very good indication of NATO weapons to Ukr. Russia should constantly watch them. Transport movement from there to Ukr means weapons deliveries.
F16s are most likely to land at Rzeszow airport in Poland before flying into Ukr.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 28 2023 1:21 utc | 346

Russia is rather conservative, national, but also rather leftist in the way it’s trying to build a prosperous economy for all. Meanwhile with the U.S I’d call it very liberal at the government level now, preposterously even, but extreme rightwing in the economy and extreme nationalism/imperialism.
Posted by: TM | Sep 28 2023 0:53 utc | 169
There’s a difference between US political and economic development and most of the rest of the world, especially in Europe. Europe comes from a tradition of feudalism and manorialism, aristocracy and monarchy, so state intervention in the economy is not uncommon and even expected, even in fascist states.
The US on the other hand was largely founded on land grants, and while the British monarchy was nominally in control, in practice it was very different. So there is always a somewhat laissez faire approach in US economic policy.
As for imperialism, the US uses a soft imperialism to keep its influence abroad, but it is not extreme nationalism. Most Americans, who are a mixed bag racially anyway, and often have loyalty to their ancestral home country, could care less about US imperialism and military bases in other countries. It’s just the elites who drive the policy.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 1:22 utc | 347

Russia is rather conservative, national, but also rather leftist in the way it’s trying to build a prosperous economy for all. Meanwhile with the U.S I’d call it very liberal at the government level now, preposterously even, but extreme rightwing in the economy and extreme nationalism/imperialism.
Posted by: TM | Sep 28 2023 0:53 utc | 169
There’s a difference between US political and economic development and most of the rest of the world, especially in Europe. Europe comes from a tradition of feudalism and manorialism, aristocracy and monarchy, so state intervention in the economy is not uncommon and even expected, even in fascist states.
The US on the other hand was largely founded on land grants, and while the British monarchy was nominally in control, in practice it was very different. So there is always a somewhat laissez faire approach in US economic policy.
As for imperialism, the US uses a soft imperialism to keep its influence abroad, but it is not extreme nationalism. Most Americans, who are a mixed bag racially anyway, and often have loyalty to their ancestral home country, could care less about US imperialism and military bases in other countries. It’s just the elites who drive the policy.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 1:22 utc | 348

His early book “Guns, Germs, and Steel” was considered a liberal book. But the Marxist that I hanged around with saw it for what it was, a piece of reactionary bullshit.
Posted by: Ed | Sep 28 2023 1:04 utc | 171
Guns, Germs and Steel was written by Jared Diamond I think. But you’re right, utter trash of a book.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 1:26 utc | 349

His early book “Guns, Germs, and Steel” was considered a liberal book. But the Marxist that I hanged around with saw it for what it was, a piece of reactionary bullshit.
Posted by: Ed | Sep 28 2023 1:04 utc | 171
Guns, Germs and Steel was written by Jared Diamond I think. But you’re right, utter trash of a book.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 1:26 utc | 350

Last night I had a very bizarre dream in which Lukashenko was Russian foreign minister…
…and…
…the entire Ukranazistani military was “transitioning” to female.
The dream even had a title: “That Thou Art Mindful Of Him.”
That Ashton Cirillo creature contaminated my brain.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 28 2023 1:33 utc | 351

Last night I had a very bizarre dream in which Lukashenko was Russian foreign minister…
…and…
…the entire Ukranazistani military was “transitioning” to female.
The dream even had a title: “That Thou Art Mindful Of Him.”
That Ashton Cirillo creature contaminated my brain.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 28 2023 1:33 utc | 352

Ed 171 wrote His early book “Guns, Germs, and Steel” was considered a liberal book. But the Marxist that I hanged around with saw it for what it was, a piece of reactionary bullshit.” referring to Gwynne Dyer. Book was written by Jared Diamond. I read the book several years ago. Seemed reasonable, but then I’m a reactionary.

Posted by: Butte Bill | Sep 28 2023 1:39 utc | 353

Ed 171 wrote His early book “Guns, Germs, and Steel” was considered a liberal book. But the Marxist that I hanged around with saw it for what it was, a piece of reactionary bullshit.” referring to Gwynne Dyer. Book was written by Jared Diamond. I read the book several years ago. Seemed reasonable, but then I’m a reactionary.

Posted by: Butte Bill | Sep 28 2023 1:39 utc | 354

Some videos for today.
‘US blew up Nord Stream fearing it would lose primacy in Europe’ — Seymour Hersh:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/hersh-nord-stream-sabotage:d
The aftermath of a recent Russian missile strike that destroyed a Kiev regime arms depot in Kherson oblast that contained over 3,000 tons of ammunition:
https://rutube.ru/video/00d93143d1ca221006c2c8cf7634dc06/
Russian Ka-52 destroys two more enemy tanks:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/IMG_3743_3fd:3
Russian Lancet drone destroys a US-supplied MRAP armored vehicle:
https://odysee.com/@YuBratNavas:f/VID_20230927_202313_539:c
Russian artillery pounds enemy position near Seversk:
https://rutube.ru/video/e48d9adc09ebe5c0486872a2b0c2f407/

Posted by: Nate | Sep 28 2023 1:44 utc | 355

Some videos for today.
‘US blew up Nord Stream fearing it would lose primacy in Europe’ — Seymour Hersh:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/hersh-nord-stream-sabotage:d
The aftermath of a recent Russian missile strike that destroyed a Kiev regime arms depot in Kherson oblast that contained over 3,000 tons of ammunition:
https://rutube.ru/video/00d93143d1ca221006c2c8cf7634dc06/
Russian Ka-52 destroys two more enemy tanks:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/IMG_3743_3fd:3
Russian Lancet drone destroys a US-supplied MRAP armored vehicle:
https://odysee.com/@YuBratNavas:f/VID_20230927_202313_539:c
Russian artillery pounds enemy position near Seversk:
https://rutube.ru/video/e48d9adc09ebe5c0486872a2b0c2f407/

Posted by: Nate | Sep 28 2023 1:44 utc | 356

Biswapriya Purkayast @175
Lukashenko as FM sounds OK to me. That would be some quality entertainment, and poor Lavrov deserves a break. He’s been Speaker to Animals for much too long.
I’m not sure the rest counts as dream material. Perhaps more of a nightmare?

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 28 2023 2:03 utc | 357

Biswapriya Purkayast @175
Lukashenko as FM sounds OK to me. That would be some quality entertainment, and poor Lavrov deserves a break. He’s been Speaker to Animals for much too long.
I’m not sure the rest counts as dream material. Perhaps more of a nightmare?

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 28 2023 2:03 utc | 358

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 28 2023 1:33 utc
Re: your bizarre dream. You’re not the only one whose dreams are haunted by this war. Yours even had a title, you say? Well, my most recent one had a theme song. The melody, so real and so solid in the dream, abruptly vanished the second I awoke, as these things tend to. But the words of the chorus remained: “Ukraine, you’ll always be my vindaloo.”

Posted by: Mexicana | Sep 28 2023 2:07 utc | 359

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 28 2023 1:33 utc
Re: your bizarre dream. You’re not the only one whose dreams are haunted by this war. Yours even had a title, you say? Well, my most recent one had a theme song. The melody, so real and so solid in the dream, abruptly vanished the second I awoke, as these things tend to. But the words of the chorus remained: “Ukraine, you’ll always be my vindaloo.”

Posted by: Mexicana | Sep 28 2023 2:07 utc | 360

Posted by: barstool | Sep 27 2023 20:41 utc | 116
This is a typical ignorance of history.
Fascist states are characterized by a lack of state control over business. This resulted in Germany’s inability to fully utilize its resources.
Nazi Germany used only 55% of its GDP for the military. While Britain used 70% and even the US used 65%.
Italy and Japan used even less, roughly 20-30%.
Even under the NEP, the state still owned the vast majority of factories, which allowed the Soviet Union to maintain an extremely superior mobilization capacity. However, Hitler even had to authorize Goering to create his own conglomerates in order to cobble together a fragmented system of economic mobilization, unlike the more centralized systems in the US and UK.
Contrary to the appearance of discipline, the economy of Nazi Germany was the most liberal/libertarian, as reflected in the famous story of Schindler’s List.
Schindler could even bribe his factories to make it seem as if they were producing shells, yet in reality the shells were bought from other factories.
Yes, you read that right, there was even a black market in arms during the era of Nazi Germany. Many factories used methods similar to Schindler’s to keep luxury goods and other high-margin civilian consumer goods in production, and as a result, Nazi Germany was unable to fully mobilize its economy. It accelerated Nazi’s failure.
Considering that half of the voters who voted for Hitler in 1932 were supporters of economically liberal parties before 1929, and how much Hitler helped increase the profits of big business by suppressing labor unions and socialists (and how much those big businesses thanked Hitler for it), this is not surprising.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 3:04 utc | 361

Posted by: barstool | Sep 27 2023 20:41 utc | 116
This is a typical ignorance of history.
Fascist states are characterized by a lack of state control over business. This resulted in Germany’s inability to fully utilize its resources.
Nazi Germany used only 55% of its GDP for the military. While Britain used 70% and even the US used 65%.
Italy and Japan used even less, roughly 20-30%.
Even under the NEP, the state still owned the vast majority of factories, which allowed the Soviet Union to maintain an extremely superior mobilization capacity. However, Hitler even had to authorize Goering to create his own conglomerates in order to cobble together a fragmented system of economic mobilization, unlike the more centralized systems in the US and UK.
Contrary to the appearance of discipline, the economy of Nazi Germany was the most liberal/libertarian, as reflected in the famous story of Schindler’s List.
Schindler could even bribe his factories to make it seem as if they were producing shells, yet in reality the shells were bought from other factories.
Yes, you read that right, there was even a black market in arms during the era of Nazi Germany. Many factories used methods similar to Schindler’s to keep luxury goods and other high-margin civilian consumer goods in production, and as a result, Nazi Germany was unable to fully mobilize its economy. It accelerated Nazi’s failure.
Considering that half of the voters who voted for Hitler in 1932 were supporters of economically liberal parties before 1929, and how much Hitler helped increase the profits of big business by suppressing labor unions and socialists (and how much those big businesses thanked Hitler for it), this is not surprising.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 3:04 utc | 362

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 0:17 utc |
Presumably you didn’t have a high school degree when I got my master’s LMFAO.
It’s nice to see that people who can’t refute the evidence I presented are still reduced to personal attacks. That’s normal, rationality will always be attacked by fallacies, otherwise it wouldn’t be right.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 27 2023 23:24 utc | 150
I’m just pointing out the fact that, more to the point, the Nazis were very liberal/libertarian economically.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 3:15 utc | 363

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 0:17 utc |
Presumably you didn’t have a high school degree when I got my master’s LMFAO.
It’s nice to see that people who can’t refute the evidence I presented are still reduced to personal attacks. That’s normal, rationality will always be attacked by fallacies, otherwise it wouldn’t be right.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 27 2023 23:24 utc | 150
I’m just pointing out the fact that, more to the point, the Nazis were very liberal/libertarian economically.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 3:15 utc | 364

171 174 @ Ed and James M.
It’s been a long time since I read Guns, Germs, and Steel, but I thought it just made some fairly commonsensical points about the role geography has played in the development of different cultures. Like the fact that it’s easier for the farming of specific plants to spread on an East-West axis than on a North-South axis, because the climate usually changes more when you travel to a different longitude than it does when you travel to a different latitude. Could you please explain what you found objectionable about the book?

Posted by: The Real Fnord13 | Sep 28 2023 3:19 utc | 365

171 174 @ Ed and James M.
It’s been a long time since I read Guns, Germs, and Steel, but I thought it just made some fairly commonsensical points about the role geography has played in the development of different cultures. Like the fact that it’s easier for the farming of specific plants to spread on an East-West axis than on a North-South axis, because the climate usually changes more when you travel to a different longitude than it does when you travel to a different latitude. Could you please explain what you found objectionable about the book?

Posted by: The Real Fnord13 | Sep 28 2023 3:19 utc | 366

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 28 2023 0:12 utc | 161
The exact scale of the Nazi massacre of the Jews may be disputed, but I don’t think the existence of mass murder is in dispute.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 28 2023 0:01 utc | 157
Suppression of opposition is indeed widespread, but economic control is clearly the opposite of what characterizes fascism.
This is not surprising considering that supporters of fascist parties tend to come from formerly economically liberal parties. For example, the Italian Fascist Party’s supporters came primarily from the Liberal Party.In 1921, their electoral coalition was largely based on the Liberal Party’s voter base and had a leader from the Liberal Party:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bloc_(Italy,_1921)

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 3:26 utc | 367

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 28 2023 0:12 utc | 161
The exact scale of the Nazi massacre of the Jews may be disputed, but I don’t think the existence of mass murder is in dispute.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 28 2023 0:01 utc | 157
Suppression of opposition is indeed widespread, but economic control is clearly the opposite of what characterizes fascism.
This is not surprising considering that supporters of fascist parties tend to come from formerly economically liberal parties. For example, the Italian Fascist Party’s supporters came primarily from the Liberal Party.In 1921, their electoral coalition was largely based on the Liberal Party’s voter base and had a leader from the Liberal Party:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bloc_(Italy,_1921)

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 3:26 utc | 368

Ummm…what does this say about the USA’s claims that for 5% of the USA’s annual military budget, Ukraine and its backers have ‘destroyed 50% of Putin’s army in Ukraine’?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/5-of-us-defense-budget-destroyed-50-of-russia-s-military-in-ukraine/ar-AA160U7R#image=1
They’ve yodeled in a few places about what great value the USA is getting out of all those dead Ukrainians, which seems ghoulish enough on its face…but what will happen when they have to explain that for considerably more money than they’re actually letting on, they were losing from the first few days of the conflict, and never stopped? That they may well have sent the Ukrainian ethnicity into a rivet-shedding power dive from which it cannot pull up, but that it could have been stopped several times…and on those occasions, they insisted the debacle which was really paying no dividends must go on?
The west has gotten pretty good at hiding the truth, and to be fair, the western electorate mostly likes to be fooled so long as they are told they are doing great things and making humanity proud. But you can’t hide that you annihilated an entire country. And if you bragged about what great value you were getting from all those deaths, for what was proportionally not very much money, won’t people remember you said it?

Posted by: Mark | Sep 28 2023 3:34 utc | 369

Ummm…what does this say about the USA’s claims that for 5% of the USA’s annual military budget, Ukraine and its backers have ‘destroyed 50% of Putin’s army in Ukraine’?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/5-of-us-defense-budget-destroyed-50-of-russia-s-military-in-ukraine/ar-AA160U7R#image=1
They’ve yodeled in a few places about what great value the USA is getting out of all those dead Ukrainians, which seems ghoulish enough on its face…but what will happen when they have to explain that for considerably more money than they’re actually letting on, they were losing from the first few days of the conflict, and never stopped? That they may well have sent the Ukrainian ethnicity into a rivet-shedding power dive from which it cannot pull up, but that it could have been stopped several times…and on those occasions, they insisted the debacle which was really paying no dividends must go on?
The west has gotten pretty good at hiding the truth, and to be fair, the western electorate mostly likes to be fooled so long as they are told they are doing great things and making humanity proud. But you can’t hide that you annihilated an entire country. And if you bragged about what great value you were getting from all those deaths, for what was proportionally not very much money, won’t people remember you said it?

Posted by: Mark | Sep 28 2023 3:34 utc | 370

Posted by: Ed | Sep 28 2023 1:04 utc | 171
Because the book actually endorses geographical determinism.
Of course, reactionaries who loathe the role of matter and believe that what people say is what actually exists (e.g., James M.) may still hate it because the book emphasizes matter.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 3:43 utc | 371

Posted by: Ed | Sep 28 2023 1:04 utc | 171
Because the book actually endorses geographical determinism.
Of course, reactionaries who loathe the role of matter and believe that what people say is what actually exists (e.g., James M.) may still hate it because the book emphasizes matter.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 3:43 utc | 372

Posted by: Mark | Sep 28 2023 3:34 utc | 184
The possibility of revolution arose after the outbreak of World War I when many people realized that the imperialist dream was so costly.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 3:45 utc | 373

Posted by: Mark | Sep 28 2023 3:34 utc | 184
The possibility of revolution arose after the outbreak of World War I when many people realized that the imperialist dream was so costly.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 3:45 utc | 374

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 0:07 utc | 159
The fact that socialism in North Korea, China, Cuba and Vietnam is nationalistic does not make them right wing.
Fascists are right-wing because they actually adopt an economic policy of anti-state intervention. This leads them to be even less economically regulated than the relatively centrist Britain and the United States.
But people who think that discourse is reality cannot be expected to understand this.
Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 0:17 utc | 162
Guess where those paragraphs come from lmfao
It is just from the TERF island’s BBC. Yes, it is a strange TERF circle but it isn’t about this topic
Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 1:22 utc | 173
This is a false narrative, as Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Israel are also based on settler colonialism, which has not led to a lack of state control in these countries in particular.
The fact that these countries (including Israel) are also of mixed ancestry has not prevented them from promoting nationalist policies, such as the White Australia policy and Israel’s apartheid policy.
Of course, it is the bourgeoisie that drives imperialist policies in whatever country, but it is not because of racial composition.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 4:03 utc | 375

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 0:07 utc | 159
The fact that socialism in North Korea, China, Cuba and Vietnam is nationalistic does not make them right wing.
Fascists are right-wing because they actually adopt an economic policy of anti-state intervention. This leads them to be even less economically regulated than the relatively centrist Britain and the United States.
But people who think that discourse is reality cannot be expected to understand this.
Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 0:17 utc | 162
Guess where those paragraphs come from lmfao
It is just from the TERF island’s BBC. Yes, it is a strange TERF circle but it isn’t about this topic
Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 1:22 utc | 173
This is a false narrative, as Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Israel are also based on settler colonialism, which has not led to a lack of state control in these countries in particular.
The fact that these countries (including Israel) are also of mixed ancestry has not prevented them from promoting nationalist policies, such as the White Australia policy and Israel’s apartheid policy.
Of course, it is the bourgeoisie that drives imperialist policies in whatever country, but it is not because of racial composition.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 4:03 utc | 376

Professor Peter Peterson of the University of Nebraska wrote a book in 1930 called “Propaganda for War” in which he details UK efforts to buy coverage for fake war stories…………they are pros……..the UK paid millions of dollars for fake German WWI atrocity stories in order to steer the American public toward involvement in the European War of the Cousins………..
One hundred years later the MSM has been brought again by Uk and Uke Nazi fake propaganda……

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 28 2023 4:12 utc | 377

Professor Peter Peterson of the University of Nebraska wrote a book in 1930 called “Propaganda for War” in which he details UK efforts to buy coverage for fake war stories…………they are pros……..the UK paid millions of dollars for fake German WWI atrocity stories in order to steer the American public toward involvement in the European War of the Cousins………..
One hundred years later the MSM has been brought again by Uk and Uke Nazi fake propaganda……

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 28 2023 4:12 utc | 378

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 28 2023 4:12 utc | 188
Always has been, unless you weren’t interested in politics in the 00’s or weren’t born yet.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 5:21 utc | 379

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 28 2023 4:12 utc | 188
Always has been, unless you weren’t interested in politics in the 00’s or weren’t born yet.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 5:21 utc | 380

Russia didn’t have dedicated satellites to track Ukr. A satellite launched in 2022 crashed. A Kondor FKA satellite was successfully launched this year. It can track all movements within Ukr. But it passes through the scrapyard twice daily which gives the miserables a large window of about 9 hours x 2 daily to move equipment unseen. All Ukr terror attacks on Crimea can be traced to these windows.
Russia plans to send another next year. They should send yet another ASAP. That will reduce Ukr play time to 6 hours x 2 daily. And a third to reduce it even further to 3 hours x 2 daily.
Ukies will be scurrying like roaches trying to save their precious little donations.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 28 2023 5:30 utc | 381

Russia didn’t have dedicated satellites to track Ukr. A satellite launched in 2022 crashed. A Kondor FKA satellite was successfully launched this year. It can track all movements within Ukr. But it passes through the scrapyard twice daily which gives the miserables a large window of about 9 hours x 2 daily to move equipment unseen. All Ukr terror attacks on Crimea can be traced to these windows.
Russia plans to send another next year. They should send yet another ASAP. That will reduce Ukr play time to 6 hours x 2 daily. And a third to reduce it even further to 3 hours x 2 daily.
Ukies will be scurrying like roaches trying to save their precious little donations.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 28 2023 5:30 utc | 382

Ukr has ordered civilians to leave Orikhiv.
That means they expect a Russian advance in this region. Ukr is in panic. So much about Banderas claims about a Bridgehead and capturing Tokmak.
Massive weapon storage silos in Nikolaiv were laid to waste today. Love UMPC FAB 500 beauties. Sail the sky like angels and sting Ukibanderas like wasps.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 28 2023 5:37 utc | 383

Ukr has ordered civilians to leave Orikhiv.
That means they expect a Russian advance in this region. Ukr is in panic. So much about Banderas claims about a Bridgehead and capturing Tokmak.
Massive weapon storage silos in Nikolaiv were laid to waste today. Love UMPC FAB 500 beauties. Sail the sky like angels and sting Ukibanderas like wasps.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 28 2023 5:37 utc | 384

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 3:26 utc | 183
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As I do with many comments posted here about WW2, Stalin, Communism, Class warfare, and various -isms, I tune 99% of it out.
The topics simply do not interest me because they seem to be surface-level, obsessed with details and minutiae rather than trying to gain a deeper understanding of the phenomena.
This pedantry about fascism is another such instance. As usual, my point is about power in general, not the different flavors (of which there are thousands and thousands) in the specific.
It’s like the arguments over parties and candidates when I reject the entire paradigm of so-called “democracy”. Seems like a dead end to me, and so I usually allocate my attention and energy elsewhere.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 28 2023 5:43 utc | 385

Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 3:26 utc | 183
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As I do with many comments posted here about WW2, Stalin, Communism, Class warfare, and various -isms, I tune 99% of it out.
The topics simply do not interest me because they seem to be surface-level, obsessed with details and minutiae rather than trying to gain a deeper understanding of the phenomena.
This pedantry about fascism is another such instance. As usual, my point is about power in general, not the different flavors (of which there are thousands and thousands) in the specific.
It’s like the arguments over parties and candidates when I reject the entire paradigm of so-called “democracy”. Seems like a dead end to me, and so I usually allocate my attention and energy elsewhere.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 28 2023 5:43 utc | 386

@Jo | Sep 27 2023 21:42 utc | 128

”Depending on the power of emission, such weapons will be capable of…suppressing practically all classic electronic equipment…causing the melting or evaporation of metal in the printed circuit boards…or causing structural changes of electronic elements”.

In other words directed energy weapons. Evaporation of metal (turning metal to dust) on printed circuit boards are obviously at the lower end regarding power of emission.
Btw., what happened to Prigozhins plane? Why did it lose a wing?

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 28 2023 5:46 utc | 387

@Jo | Sep 27 2023 21:42 utc | 128

”Depending on the power of emission, such weapons will be capable of…suppressing practically all classic electronic equipment…causing the melting or evaporation of metal in the printed circuit boards…or causing structural changes of electronic elements”.

In other words directed energy weapons. Evaporation of metal (turning metal to dust) on printed circuit boards are obviously at the lower end regarding power of emission.
Btw., what happened to Prigozhins plane? Why did it lose a wing?

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 28 2023 5:46 utc | 388

Fascists are right-wing because they actually adopt an economic policy of anti-state intervention. This leads them to be even less economically regulated than the relatively centrist Britain and the United States.
But people who think that discourse is reality cannot be expected to understand this.

Fascists are right-wing because they employ corporatism and nationalism, and centralize power in the state. They differ from socialism and communism in that a specific nation is more important than others. Communism attempted to suppress nationalism – everyone is equal, comrade in the Soviet system – nominally at least. But you should learn this soon Colin the Undergrad when you take some political philosophy courses.
Of course, it is the bourgeoisie that drives imperialist policies in whatever country, but it is not because of racial composition.
Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 4:03 utc | 187

Of course Colin the Undergrad, you are absolutely correct. The bourgeoisie is responsible for all the evils in the world, don’t you know.
But your reading comprehension problems are coming to the fore. I really hope you get some help for that. The elites exploit racialism to drive their policies, but it is more difficult to do so in the US due to the mixed identity of most Americans (Many Americans say they are of Greek, French, German, Italian, Irish, etc. descent, and hold loyalty to their ethnic roots), making them more ambivalent to the imperial project, then say the Japanese were.
Guess where those paragraphs come from lmfao
It is just from the TERF island’s BBC. Yes, it is a strange TERF circle but it isn’t about this topic

Oh, I don’t give a shit where they come from, Colin the Undergrad. I just enjoy making fun of you. You’re too pompous for your own good, which is typical of know-nothings who pretend to have authority on any particular subject.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 6:08 utc | 389

Fascists are right-wing because they actually adopt an economic policy of anti-state intervention. This leads them to be even less economically regulated than the relatively centrist Britain and the United States.
But people who think that discourse is reality cannot be expected to understand this.

Fascists are right-wing because they employ corporatism and nationalism, and centralize power in the state. They differ from socialism and communism in that a specific nation is more important than others. Communism attempted to suppress nationalism – everyone is equal, comrade in the Soviet system – nominally at least. But you should learn this soon Colin the Undergrad when you take some political philosophy courses.
Of course, it is the bourgeoisie that drives imperialist policies in whatever country, but it is not because of racial composition.
Posted by: Colin | Sep 28 2023 4:03 utc | 187

Of course Colin the Undergrad, you are absolutely correct. The bourgeoisie is responsible for all the evils in the world, don’t you know.
But your reading comprehension problems are coming to the fore. I really hope you get some help for that. The elites exploit racialism to drive their policies, but it is more difficult to do so in the US due to the mixed identity of most Americans (Many Americans say they are of Greek, French, German, Italian, Irish, etc. descent, and hold loyalty to their ethnic roots), making them more ambivalent to the imperial project, then say the Japanese were.
Guess where those paragraphs come from lmfao
It is just from the TERF island’s BBC. Yes, it is a strange TERF circle but it isn’t about this topic

Oh, I don’t give a shit where they come from, Colin the Undergrad. I just enjoy making fun of you. You’re too pompous for your own good, which is typical of know-nothings who pretend to have authority on any particular subject.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 28 2023 6:08 utc | 390

Everybody talks about rota, turdeau and canada this or that, but have you noticed how one little green detail is beeing swept under the rug again?
The issue with this whole parliament debacle is not canada, but the fact that zelenski, once again for the fifth time or so, is beeing seen cheering for an actual nazi!
You know, that jewish president that thanks to his jewishness makes it impossible for ukraine to have any support or existance for nazism.
Mainstream doing a great job whitewashing.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 28 2023 6:36 utc | 391

Everybody talks about rota, turdeau and canada this or that, but have you noticed how one little green detail is beeing swept under the rug again?
The issue with this whole parliament debacle is not canada, but the fact that zelenski, once again for the fifth time or so, is beeing seen cheering for an actual nazi!
You know, that jewish president that thanks to his jewishness makes it impossible for ukraine to have any support or existance for nazism.
Mainstream doing a great job whitewashing.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 28 2023 6:36 utc | 392

Kamikaze drones are once again flying en masse across Ukraine. Arrivals have already been recorded in Nikolaev at the Kulbakino airfield.
Now it flies around Krivoy Rog, most likely also through airfields or related infrastructure. Also, part of the UAV is sent to the south of the Odessa region and even to Vinnitsa.Some of them are constantly hitting the north of Ukraine.
According to our data, the Russian Armed Forces release 50+ kamikaze drones Geran-1 and 2 per day, and Ukrainian military officials deliberately underestimate the numbers of daily UAV strikes so as not to provoke depressive moods in society, due to the fact that Russians now have a lot these “birds” that they can safely produce about 1,500 Geraniums per month throughout Ukraine.
Imagine how much damage they cause to the rear of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and this is not yet the maximum limit. Soon, according to our forecasts, there may be 100-200 “birds” per day, and Bankovaya is aware that the Russians are increasing production.
Ukrainians are not told about this. They are afraid to provoke disappointment, depression and thoughts among the masses that everything is lost, we are fucked…

https://t.me/legitimniy/16353

Posted by: Down South | Sep 28 2023 6:39 utc | 393

Kamikaze drones are once again flying en masse across Ukraine. Arrivals have already been recorded in Nikolaev at the Kulbakino airfield.
Now it flies around Krivoy Rog, most likely also through airfields or related infrastructure. Also, part of the UAV is sent to the south of the Odessa region and even to Vinnitsa.Some of them are constantly hitting the north of Ukraine.
According to our data, the Russian Armed Forces release 50+ kamikaze drones Geran-1 and 2 per day, and Ukrainian military officials deliberately underestimate the numbers of daily UAV strikes so as not to provoke depressive moods in society, due to the fact that Russians now have a lot these “birds” that they can safely produce about 1,500 Geraniums per month throughout Ukraine.
Imagine how much damage they cause to the rear of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and this is not yet the maximum limit. Soon, according to our forecasts, there may be 100-200 “birds” per day, and Bankovaya is aware that the Russians are increasing production.
Ukrainians are not told about this. They are afraid to provoke disappointment, depression and thoughts among the masses that everything is lost, we are fucked…

https://t.me/legitimniy/16353

Posted by: Down South | Sep 28 2023 6:39 utc | 394

Taxes will rise, tariffs will rise – these are the conditions of the West and the IMF, as well as Bankova’s only chance to cover the budget deficit, since costs are rising and Western aid is being cut off. Plus, the rampant corruption in the country is eating everything up from the inside.
Of course, Ze may change his mind at the last moment about raising it, since this will hit his rating, but then he will get even more at odds with creditors who have their own goals for Ukraine.
We have written many times that Ukraine will sag economically, and all difficulties will fall only on the shoulders of the common people.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16155

Tariffs in Ukraine will rise, everyone has recognized this, the West demands it. The question remains how much they will grow. Minimum forecast 100%, market justified 250%.
It is worth recalling that at the end of the summer, when documents were leaked that they wanted to increase the military tax, we immediately learned that tariffs would also be raised – this is what Western partners (creditors, IMF, etc.) demand.
Then Bankova launched an anti-crisis, which was a Kremlin fake. As we see, they have already admitted that tariffs will be raised, and they will soon admit that they will also increase taxes, including military taxes (unless, of course, the war is frozen by that time).

https://t.me/legitimniy/16354

Posted by: Down South | Sep 28 2023 6:41 utc | 395

Taxes will rise, tariffs will rise – these are the conditions of the West and the IMF, as well as Bankova’s only chance to cover the budget deficit, since costs are rising and Western aid is being cut off. Plus, the rampant corruption in the country is eating everything up from the inside.
Of course, Ze may change his mind at the last moment about raising it, since this will hit his rating, but then he will get even more at odds with creditors who have their own goals for Ukraine.
We have written many times that Ukraine will sag economically, and all difficulties will fall only on the shoulders of the common people.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16155

Tariffs in Ukraine will rise, everyone has recognized this, the West demands it. The question remains how much they will grow. Minimum forecast 100%, market justified 250%.
It is worth recalling that at the end of the summer, when documents were leaked that they wanted to increase the military tax, we immediately learned that tariffs would also be raised – this is what Western partners (creditors, IMF, etc.) demand.
Then Bankova launched an anti-crisis, which was a Kremlin fake. As we see, they have already admitted that tariffs will be raised, and they will soon admit that they will also increase taxes, including military taxes (unless, of course, the war is frozen by that time).

https://t.me/legitimniy/16354

Posted by: Down South | Sep 28 2023 6:41 utc | 396

Re: Economy in The Ukraine
Since 2014, living standards plummeted in areas ruled by Kiev. By 2021, 90% of employees earned less than $500/month. Average pay was under $200/month.
Between 2014-2021; approximately 8 million people voted with their feet and fled Kiev’s controled territory in The Ukraine. What was once a prosperous region with beaucoup industry and bountiful agriculture became the poorest country in Europe after 2014.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 28 2023 7:03 utc | 397

Re: Economy in The Ukraine
Since 2014, living standards plummeted in areas ruled by Kiev. By 2021, 90% of employees earned less than $500/month. Average pay was under $200/month.
Between 2014-2021; approximately 8 million people voted with their feet and fled Kiev’s controled territory in The Ukraine. What was once a prosperous region with beaucoup industry and bountiful agriculture became the poorest country in Europe after 2014.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 28 2023 7:03 utc | 398

Jason | Sep 28 2023 5:30 utc | 190 re Satellites
This is where China could really help the RF without having to provide weapons. Russia has a clear advantage in firepower but western ISR and targeting can level the playing field at certain times and places. Access to China’s far larger fleet of intelligence satellites would negate this advantage and allow superior Russian firepower to work to maximum effect.

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Sep 28 2023 7:06 utc | 399

Jason | Sep 28 2023 5:30 utc | 190 re Satellites
This is where China could really help the RF without having to provide weapons. Russia has a clear advantage in firepower but western ISR and targeting can level the playing field at certain times and places. Access to China’s far larger fleet of intelligence satellites would negate this advantage and allow superior Russian firepower to work to maximum effect.

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Sep 28 2023 7:06 utc | 400