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September 27, 2023
Mainstream Media Admit – Ukraine’s Propaganda Is Full Of Lies

As a sign of the turning narrative of the war in Ukraine we find a new New York Times piece about 'disinformation' that is not about Russia but about lies from Ukraine.

Andrew E. Kramer, the NYT correspondent in Kiev, opens with an anecdote from the first weeks of the war:

Six weeks after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukraine sank the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, dealing a serious blow to the enemy navy, and, a Ukrainian official said, killing the ship’s captain.

“We do not mourn,” an adviser to the interior minister at the time, Anton Gerashchenko, said.

The only problem was that the captain — or somebody who resembled him — later appeared in a video of survivors released by the Russian Navy. He had escaped his sinking ship, the Moskva, the video seemed to indicate.

Then comes a paragraph that could fit both countries but the following one it is again related to disinformation from Ukraine:

What is clear is that misdirection, disinformation and propaganda are weapons regularly deployed in Russia’s war in Ukraine to buoy spirits at home, demoralize the enemy or lead opponents into a trap. And it is often hard to know when reports are false or why they may have been disseminated.

Now, Ukraine and Russia are offering dueling narratives over whether a more senior Russian naval officer, the commanding admiral of the Black Sea Fleet, is alive or dead.

Well, in this interview Adm. Viktor Sokolov looks quite alive.

Then comes an astonishing admission:

Few military analysts, […], believe the Ukrainian military’s optimistic daily account of Russian casualties running into the hundreds that is nonetheless reported widely in Ukrainian media.

It is the first time I see a public refutation of Ukraine's laughable claims about Russian casualties in the mainstream media. It is also an indictment of the Biden administration and the Pentagon who publicly use the Ukrainian numbers.

The piece ends with a wise acknowledgement:

Mr. Gerashchenko said that, in the end, war propaganda is only effective when it accompanies battlefield successes. The missile strike on the headquarters of the Russian Black Sea Fleet last week, he said, was a “stunning success of Ukrainian intelligence and the air force that fired the cruise missiles on a supposedly well-defended site.”

You cannot win the propaganda war without winning the real war,” he added.

Oh really? Guess who told you so:

Good to see that this obvious truth is finally sinking in.

Yesterday the Minister of Defense in Russia, Sergei Shoigu, gave an update (in Russian) on the war in Ukraine. The speech seemed to include a time frame for the war to end (machine translation):

The United States and its allies continue to arm the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the Kiev regime throws untrained soldiers into senseless assaults, for slaughter.

Such cynical actions by the West and their cronies in Kiev only encourage Ukraine to self-destruct."

"Under these conditions, we continue to increase the combat power of the Armed Forces, including through the supply of modern weapons and improving the training of troops, taking into account the experience of a special military operation. Consistent implementation of the activities of the Action Plan until 2025 will allow us to achieve our goals."

Shoigu expects the war to run throughout 2024 and into 2025. But if the current loss rate of the Ukrainian army continues the country will be running out of soldiers and armored vehicles before the end of next year.

Schadenfreude:

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There must also be WW2 veterans organizations in Canada appalled by this. Canadians suffered POW massacres in Normandy at the hands of the 12th Waffen SS ‘Hitler Jugend’. Can Canada’s losses in that war and suffering at the hands of that same organization really be so easily swept aside? I guess time erases memory. At least the Poles don’t forget.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 27 2023 19:45 utc | 201

There must also be WW2 veterans organizations in Canada appalled by this. Canadians suffered POW massacres in Normandy at the hands of the 12th Waffen SS ‘Hitler Jugend’. Can Canada’s losses in that war and suffering at the hands of that same organization really be so easily swept aside? I guess time erases memory. At least the Poles don’t forget.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 27 2023 19:45 utc | 202

Merriam-Webster
Tenet@7
Both you and Soothsayer are completely demented, but it takes a special form of madness to accuse Biden and his cronies, put in office by capitalist oligarchs, of being Marxists.
I sincerely hope that, at some stage in the future you will regain the basic political judgement that is a vital part of sanity.
Posted by: bevin
Before you go spouting off you should try to be accurate. Where does capitalism exist in a country? Garage sales?
Merriam-Webster
capitalism
noun
cap·​i·​tal·​ism ˈka-pə-tə-ˌliz-əm ˈkap-tə-
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.
Futhermore, those at the top are not really left or right, they are first and foremost psychopaths and that determines their behavior.

Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Sep 27 2023 19:54 utc | 203

Merriam-Webster
Tenet@7
Both you and Soothsayer are completely demented, but it takes a special form of madness to accuse Biden and his cronies, put in office by capitalist oligarchs, of being Marxists.
I sincerely hope that, at some stage in the future you will regain the basic political judgement that is a vital part of sanity.
Posted by: bevin
Before you go spouting off you should try to be accurate. Where does capitalism exist in a country? Garage sales?
Merriam-Webster
capitalism
noun
cap·​i·​tal·​ism ˈka-pə-tə-ˌliz-əm ˈkap-tə-
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.
Futhermore, those at the top are not really left or right, they are first and foremost psychopaths and that determines their behavior.

Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Sep 27 2023 19:54 utc | 204

Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 9
Mate, what you said! MoA seems to be attracting the nutters more than usual these days.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 27 2023 19:55 utc | 205

Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 9
Mate, what you said! MoA seems to be attracting the nutters more than usual these days.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 27 2023 19:55 utc | 206

@Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 27 2023 18:54 utc | 80

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXpztMFA6lE
How a climate of lies gets sustained. What he says about the US military is astounding ( about 22 m. in). Incompetence, good men not promoted, following false narratives – and it’s been building up this way for decades.

Thanks for the excellent video, well worth watching.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 27 2023 19:55 utc | 207

@Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 27 2023 18:54 utc | 80

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXpztMFA6lE
How a climate of lies gets sustained. What he says about the US military is astounding ( about 22 m. in). Incompetence, good men not promoted, following false narratives – and it’s been building up this way for decades.

Thanks for the excellent video, well worth watching.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 27 2023 19:55 utc | 208

About Rota, after resigning: “He expressed his “profound regret for my error” and the pain he caused to Jewish communities in Canada and around the world.”
Very interesting, isn’t it? Non jewish people obviously do not count. The pain caused to those non jewish is not important and regrets are not necessary.
What a disgusting character!
Posted by: Patience | Sep 27 2023 19:25 utc | 93
There wasn’t a word of condemnation for what the Collective Canadian Parliament did, voicing their effusive support for Nazism until the Jewish Orgs raged against Canada’s political parties cozying up to nazi’s in Ukraine.
Good on them, they have the moral right to speak out on that issue.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 20:01 utc | 209

About Rota, after resigning: “He expressed his “profound regret for my error” and the pain he caused to Jewish communities in Canada and around the world.”
Very interesting, isn’t it? Non jewish people obviously do not count. The pain caused to those non jewish is not important and regrets are not necessary.
What a disgusting character!
Posted by: Patience | Sep 27 2023 19:25 utc | 93
There wasn’t a word of condemnation for what the Collective Canadian Parliament did, voicing their effusive support for Nazism until the Jewish Orgs raged against Canada’s political parties cozying up to nazi’s in Ukraine.
Good on them, they have the moral right to speak out on that issue.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 20:01 utc | 210

Wiki is generally highly unreliable on anything politically contentious, and in such cases will generally reflect an establishment/CIA/MI6 view, but someone seems to have forgotten to edit this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Keelhaul
“the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division, which was recruited from Ukrainians in Galicia were not repatriated, ostensibly because Galicia had belonged to Poland prior to September 1939, but in reality because MI6 wished to use the prisoners in future operations. The officer in charge of screening the 14th Division for war criminals, Fitzroy Maclean, admitted in an interview in 1989 that it was “fairly clear that there was every probability that there were war criminals amongst them”, but argued that in the context of the Cold War, such men were needed to fight against the Soviet Union. On 23 March 1947, the United Kingdom granted asylum to the entire 14th Division, whose men were subsequently settled in the United Kingdom, Canada and Australia.“

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 27 2023 20:01 utc | 211

Wiki is generally highly unreliable on anything politically contentious, and in such cases will generally reflect an establishment/CIA/MI6 view, but someone seems to have forgotten to edit this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Keelhaul
“the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division, which was recruited from Ukrainians in Galicia were not repatriated, ostensibly because Galicia had belonged to Poland prior to September 1939, but in reality because MI6 wished to use the prisoners in future operations. The officer in charge of screening the 14th Division for war criminals, Fitzroy Maclean, admitted in an interview in 1989 that it was “fairly clear that there was every probability that there were war criminals amongst them”, but argued that in the context of the Cold War, such men were needed to fight against the Soviet Union. On 23 March 1947, the United Kingdom granted asylum to the entire 14th Division, whose men were subsequently settled in the United Kingdom, Canada and Australia.“

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 27 2023 20:01 utc | 212

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 19:43 utc | 99
Get your historical “facts” straight cause you definitely are in the bubbly world of mythology.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Sep 27 2023 20:02 utc | 213

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 19:43 utc | 99
Get your historical “facts” straight cause you definitely are in the bubbly world of mythology.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Sep 27 2023 20:02 utc | 214

Think I will simply post your post again ….
Wiki is generally highly unreliable on anything politically contentious, and in such cases will generally reflect an establishment/CIA/MI6 view, but someone seems to have forgotten to edit this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Keelhaul
“the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division, which was recruited from Ukrainians in Galicia were not repatriated, ostensibly because Galicia had belonged to Poland prior to September 1939, but in reality because MI6 wished to use the prisoners in future operations. The officer in charge of screening the 14th Division for war criminals, Fitzroy Maclean, admitted in an interview in 1989 that it was “fairly clear that there was every probability that there were war criminals amongst them”, but argued that in the context of the Cold War, such men were needed to fight against the Soviet Union. On 23 March 1947, the United Kingdom granted asylum to the entire 14th Division, whose men were subsequently settled in the United Kingdom, Canada and Australia.“
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 27 2023 20:01 utc | 106

Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 27 2023 20:05 utc | 215

Think I will simply post your post again ….
Wiki is generally highly unreliable on anything politically contentious, and in such cases will generally reflect an establishment/CIA/MI6 view, but someone seems to have forgotten to edit this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Keelhaul
“the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division, which was recruited from Ukrainians in Galicia were not repatriated, ostensibly because Galicia had belonged to Poland prior to September 1939, but in reality because MI6 wished to use the prisoners in future operations. The officer in charge of screening the 14th Division for war criminals, Fitzroy Maclean, admitted in an interview in 1989 that it was “fairly clear that there was every probability that there were war criminals amongst them”, but argued that in the context of the Cold War, such men were needed to fight against the Soviet Union. On 23 March 1947, the United Kingdom granted asylum to the entire 14th Division, whose men were subsequently settled in the United Kingdom, Canada and Australia.“
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 27 2023 20:01 utc | 106

Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 27 2023 20:05 utc | 216

@oracle 26
Ya, I agree. Extreme left, extreme right are not on opposite sides like a spectrum, it’s a circle. They both meet at totalitarianism. I agree, it’s about control, change meanings of words and ideas so that no argument is possible. And lies upon lies upon lies. If they say it often enough, the public will eventually believe it. They did it with the American election (Orange man bad, Russia interference), they did it with vaccines (safe and effective), they did it with the economy (not a recession), they did it with Ukraine (Ukraine is winning, Russia will be in tatters), and on and on.
MOA and places like it are the last vestiges of truth, filtering out the nonsense and invective that appear from time to time.

Posted by: Gerry | Sep 27 2023 20:06 utc | 217

@oracle 26
Ya, I agree. Extreme left, extreme right are not on opposite sides like a spectrum, it’s a circle. They both meet at totalitarianism. I agree, it’s about control, change meanings of words and ideas so that no argument is possible. And lies upon lies upon lies. If they say it often enough, the public will eventually believe it. They did it with the American election (Orange man bad, Russia interference), they did it with vaccines (safe and effective), they did it with the economy (not a recession), they did it with Ukraine (Ukraine is winning, Russia will be in tatters), and on and on.
MOA and places like it are the last vestiges of truth, filtering out the nonsense and invective that appear from time to time.

Posted by: Gerry | Sep 27 2023 20:06 utc | 218

Posted by: Gerry | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 8
Yikes another goober who contends Hitler was a leftist. Read a book, or ask an adult to read you a book.

Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 27 2023 20:28 utc | 219

Posted by: Gerry | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 8
Yikes another goober who contends Hitler was a leftist. Read a book, or ask an adult to read you a book.

Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 27 2023 20:28 utc | 220

karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 16:28 utc | 44
…[Canada]…The main thing is that they not only knew, but are the ideologists of this very company of support for Bandera…
The same holds for Germany.
The German Ambassador to Canada attended the honoring of the Ukrainian SS member but could not know about his affiliation with the SS troops, the German Foreign Ministry said.
The icing: In its reply to an inquiry to the federal government by the parliamentary faction of “Die Linke”, the German government made the statement that they “do not have own findings with regard to the right-wing extremist manifestations of Ukrainian historical politics (Bandera cult being just one instance – OE) other than from (main stream) media”. As if they didn’t know the former ambassador and Bandera hailing fascist Andrij Melnyk (now UA’s deputy foreign minister) and the outrage he caused multiple times here! (Part of which even can be found on Wikipedia. Still, I have to remark)):

Posted by: OttoE | Sep 27 2023 20:35 utc | 221

karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 16:28 utc | 44
…[Canada]…The main thing is that they not only knew, but are the ideologists of this very company of support for Bandera…
The same holds for Germany.
The German Ambassador to Canada attended the honoring of the Ukrainian SS member but could not know about his affiliation with the SS troops, the German Foreign Ministry said.
The icing: In its reply to an inquiry to the federal government by the parliamentary faction of “Die Linke”, the German government made the statement that they “do not have own findings with regard to the right-wing extremist manifestations of Ukrainian historical politics (Bandera cult being just one instance – OE) other than from (main stream) media”. As if they didn’t know the former ambassador and Bandera hailing fascist Andrij Melnyk (now UA’s deputy foreign minister) and the outrage he caused multiple times here! (Part of which even can be found on Wikipedia. Still, I have to remark)):

Posted by: OttoE | Sep 27 2023 20:35 utc | 222

” Any further details ? If this is true, then perhaps the oft predicted collapse of NATO’s military in The Ukraine might be close at hand.
Posted by: Exile | Sep 27 2023 17:05 utc | 55 ”
Further details will be provided once:
* There is documented evidence of the massive POW camps that must exist in Russia at the moment.
* The ICRC visits said camps and provides an official listing, and status, of all POW’s in Russian hands.
* Russia officially states the number of POW’s it has.
Till then, this is all speculation and conjecture.

Posted by: Shocked | Sep 27 2023 20:35 utc | 223

” Any further details ? If this is true, then perhaps the oft predicted collapse of NATO’s military in The Ukraine might be close at hand.
Posted by: Exile | Sep 27 2023 17:05 utc | 55 ”
Further details will be provided once:
* There is documented evidence of the massive POW camps that must exist in Russia at the moment.
* The ICRC visits said camps and provides an official listing, and status, of all POW’s in Russian hands.
* Russia officially states the number of POW’s it has.
Till then, this is all speculation and conjecture.

Posted by: Shocked | Sep 27 2023 20:35 utc | 224

Posted by: aquadraht | Sep 27 2023 16:36 utc | 47

Hi a^2, great to see you again! I like the article you posted but a wish nonetheless: when posting something this long, please make it small and certainly not bold.
Regarding the Canadian parlament affair: I wonder if this was a move devised towards throwing Selensky under the bus. Okay, that’s a conspiracy theory by someone who lost all trust in media and politics… I do believe that Selenksy’s time is up and the mainstream needs stories like this to get rid of him.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 27 2023 20:36 utc | 225

Posted by: aquadraht | Sep 27 2023 16:36 utc | 47

Hi a^2, great to see you again! I like the article you posted but a wish nonetheless: when posting something this long, please make it small and certainly not bold.
Regarding the Canadian parlament affair: I wonder if this was a move devised towards throwing Selensky under the bus. Okay, that’s a conspiracy theory by someone who lost all trust in media and politics… I do believe that Selenksy’s time is up and the mainstream needs stories like this to get rid of him.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 27 2023 20:36 utc | 226

One of the Q&As from Zakharova’s weekly briefing linked upthread is germane to this topic:

Question: Russia has repeatedly said that the conflict in Ukraine would be over tomorrow if such a decision were made in Washington. But, at the same time, we recognize that everything suits everyone in Washington – the United States gives Ukraine money, which is issued by the US Treasury Department in any necessary amount. In addition, American arms companies also receive profits from these supplies. Why would the U.S. stop when the situation is so convenient for them? What additional arguments could Moscow offer to stop this conflict?
Maria Zakharova: Why are you asking me why the United States should stop? We see that they do not want to stop, that all the balancing act that has now begun with the words “negotiations”, “peace”, etc., is only to divert attention. Their main efforts are focused on making this conflict long-term, sluggish or with active phases, but prolonging it as much as possible. That is, to do everything to ensure that this “wound” never heals: the supply of weapons, political support, money and direct participation in the form of instructors, services, mercenaries.
Earlier, speaking about the crisis in Ukraine, I have already touched upon the issue of arms supplies. We have repeatedly said that nothing, not even the barbaric crimes of the Kiev regime against the civilian population, stop the United States from supplying weapons to Ukraine. Today I announced the data that we have on the scale of these supplies. They have become a little smaller, but still ongoing. The United States is still “extorting” the same support for the needs of the Kyiv regime from the countries of the European Union. No, they’re not going to stop.
Answering the second question, what needs to be done to resolve the conflict around Ukraine. It is necessary to stop pumping the Armed Forces of Ukraine with weapons, and the Kyiv regime needs to stop hostilities and withdraw the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Russian territories.
First of all, this is, of course, the cessation of sponsorship of the terrorist activities of the Kiev regime. The United States and other Western, NATO-centric countries have entire legislative provisions on the impossibility and legislative prosecution of those who sponsor terrorism and terrorist regimes. The Kiev regime is a terrorist regime. Qualifications will be given differently in different countries. Some will call it terrorism, some will call it a terrorist regime, some will call it terrorists, it doesn’t matter. Everyone already understands that the acts they commit are terrorist. We are talking about systematic intimidation, committing actions against civilians and civilian objects. The terrorist nature of the activities of Vladimir Zelensky and his “gang” is obvious. The United States sponsors all this contrary to its own legislation.

There’re a number of excellent reports made on other events besides the two I’ve posted about on this thread that deserve more exposure. They will be published at my substack, although Zakharova’s entire briefing and Q&A session won’t be posted. Again, it is here and complete.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 20:40 utc | 227

One of the Q&As from Zakharova’s weekly briefing linked upthread is germane to this topic:

Question: Russia has repeatedly said that the conflict in Ukraine would be over tomorrow if such a decision were made in Washington. But, at the same time, we recognize that everything suits everyone in Washington – the United States gives Ukraine money, which is issued by the US Treasury Department in any necessary amount. In addition, American arms companies also receive profits from these supplies. Why would the U.S. stop when the situation is so convenient for them? What additional arguments could Moscow offer to stop this conflict?
Maria Zakharova: Why are you asking me why the United States should stop? We see that they do not want to stop, that all the balancing act that has now begun with the words “negotiations”, “peace”, etc., is only to divert attention. Their main efforts are focused on making this conflict long-term, sluggish or with active phases, but prolonging it as much as possible. That is, to do everything to ensure that this “wound” never heals: the supply of weapons, political support, money and direct participation in the form of instructors, services, mercenaries.
Earlier, speaking about the crisis in Ukraine, I have already touched upon the issue of arms supplies. We have repeatedly said that nothing, not even the barbaric crimes of the Kiev regime against the civilian population, stop the United States from supplying weapons to Ukraine. Today I announced the data that we have on the scale of these supplies. They have become a little smaller, but still ongoing. The United States is still “extorting” the same support for the needs of the Kyiv regime from the countries of the European Union. No, they’re not going to stop.
Answering the second question, what needs to be done to resolve the conflict around Ukraine. It is necessary to stop pumping the Armed Forces of Ukraine with weapons, and the Kyiv regime needs to stop hostilities and withdraw the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Russian territories.
First of all, this is, of course, the cessation of sponsorship of the terrorist activities of the Kiev regime. The United States and other Western, NATO-centric countries have entire legislative provisions on the impossibility and legislative prosecution of those who sponsor terrorism and terrorist regimes. The Kiev regime is a terrorist regime. Qualifications will be given differently in different countries. Some will call it terrorism, some will call it a terrorist regime, some will call it terrorists, it doesn’t matter. Everyone already understands that the acts they commit are terrorist. We are talking about systematic intimidation, committing actions against civilians and civilian objects. The terrorist nature of the activities of Vladimir Zelensky and his “gang” is obvious. The United States sponsors all this contrary to its own legislation.

There’re a number of excellent reports made on other events besides the two I’ve posted about on this thread that deserve more exposure. They will be published at my substack, although Zakharova’s entire briefing and Q&A session won’t be posted. Again, it is here and complete.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 20:40 utc | 228

& bevin | Sep 27 2023 17:48 utc | 68
“One thing we can say about Freeland is that she is unique among her colleagues in actually believing in something.”
Very well put!
That paired with ambition and intellect creates the operater/aperatchik/burocrate etc. .
She is special indeed, and no boubt the Hunka episode is her creation.
But this time she went to far. As Blumental mentions in his piece, that she maybe shed to much light into the dark corners of her “belive”.
Hubris i suppose.

Posted by: El Lissitzky | Sep 27 2023 20:41 utc | 229

& bevin | Sep 27 2023 17:48 utc | 68
“One thing we can say about Freeland is that she is unique among her colleagues in actually believing in something.”
Very well put!
That paired with ambition and intellect creates the operater/aperatchik/burocrate etc. .
She is special indeed, and no boubt the Hunka episode is her creation.
But this time she went to far. As Blumental mentions in his piece, that she maybe shed to much light into the dark corners of her “belive”.
Hubris i suppose.

Posted by: El Lissitzky | Sep 27 2023 20:41 utc | 230

Posted by: Comandante | Sep 27 2023 14:03 utc | 2
Posted by: Gerry | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 8
Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 9
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 27 2023 15:22 utc | 22
Posted by: oracle | Sep 27 2023 15:38 utc | 26
“Left and right” isn’t a dichotomy: it’s a spectrum. It also goes far beyond finances, even into social structures. “Left” leans toward totalitarianism, where one entity controls the money, land, and means of production. “Right” leans toward individual ownership and control of those three elements.
“Communism” isn’t a recent invention. Proverbs chapter one discusses it. Even the word “communism” was published in its current sense eight years before Marx and Engles published their “Manifesto.” The word derived from Acts 4, “Had all things common.” The Roman Catholic Church used it to run their monasteries and nunneries. It was also the basis of their feudalism, where the Lords and Cardinals had their own communes. “Modern Communism” was based on that Feudal System.
Most people seem to forget, if the ever knew, that Lenin moved Russia far away from Marxism. The First Great Soviet Famine was caused by the introduction of Marxism. Lenin radically changed it with his “New Economic Policy,” (NEP,) which brought a great increase to production. Farms became able to use or sell goods that were produced above their quota. The increased production ended the famine.
Lenin’s NEP was documented in s German language paper, “Nationalsozialismus .” I had a copy on a 5 1/4″ disk from USENET long, long ago. (I very naively thought that a year of college German and a German-English dictionary would allow me to translate it.)
Mussolini used the National Socialist methods in that paper to form his Fascist government. After some successes, Hitler followed Mussolini and formed his Nazi government. A key economic aspect of their governments was that they left small businesses under private control, but placed industries under government control, with a Czar, (Caesar,) over each industry. The Czar reported to the head of government. [Consider ObamaCare.)
Today’s National Socialists and Globalists are the same group, and they use the same National Socialism as did Mussolini and Hitler. In the US government, they include all Democrats except for those in the Progressive Caucus (Marxists,) and all RINOs.
So, most Democrats and many Republicans are National Socialists. Zelenski and those who control him are National Socialists. I call National Socialists “Leftists” even though they don’t use the Marxist methods. I don’t recall Lenin having been refered to as being on the Right.

Posted by: barstool | Sep 27 2023 20:41 utc | 231

Posted by: Comandante | Sep 27 2023 14:03 utc | 2
Posted by: Gerry | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 8
Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 9
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 27 2023 15:22 utc | 22
Posted by: oracle | Sep 27 2023 15:38 utc | 26
“Left and right” isn’t a dichotomy: it’s a spectrum. It also goes far beyond finances, even into social structures. “Left” leans toward totalitarianism, where one entity controls the money, land, and means of production. “Right” leans toward individual ownership and control of those three elements.
“Communism” isn’t a recent invention. Proverbs chapter one discusses it. Even the word “communism” was published in its current sense eight years before Marx and Engles published their “Manifesto.” The word derived from Acts 4, “Had all things common.” The Roman Catholic Church used it to run their monasteries and nunneries. It was also the basis of their feudalism, where the Lords and Cardinals had their own communes. “Modern Communism” was based on that Feudal System.
Most people seem to forget, if the ever knew, that Lenin moved Russia far away from Marxism. The First Great Soviet Famine was caused by the introduction of Marxism. Lenin radically changed it with his “New Economic Policy,” (NEP,) which brought a great increase to production. Farms became able to use or sell goods that were produced above their quota. The increased production ended the famine.
Lenin’s NEP was documented in s German language paper, “Nationalsozialismus .” I had a copy on a 5 1/4″ disk from USENET long, long ago. (I very naively thought that a year of college German and a German-English dictionary would allow me to translate it.)
Mussolini used the National Socialist methods in that paper to form his Fascist government. After some successes, Hitler followed Mussolini and formed his Nazi government. A key economic aspect of their governments was that they left small businesses under private control, but placed industries under government control, with a Czar, (Caesar,) over each industry. The Czar reported to the head of government. [Consider ObamaCare.)
Today’s National Socialists and Globalists are the same group, and they use the same National Socialism as did Mussolini and Hitler. In the US government, they include all Democrats except for those in the Progressive Caucus (Marxists,) and all RINOs.
So, most Democrats and many Republicans are National Socialists. Zelenski and those who control him are National Socialists. I call National Socialists “Leftists” even though they don’t use the Marxist methods. I don’t recall Lenin having been refered to as being on the Right.

Posted by: barstool | Sep 27 2023 20:41 utc | 232

Regarding the Canadian Parliament and their standing ovations – twice – to an SS veteran, I think one has to realise that the anti Russian sentiment goes so deeply that simple logic has no place.
Yes, the parliamentarians may (in the cold light of day) be aware that Russia fought on the side of the Allies (even if they are loath to admit it in the current climate) and yes, they may be aware that the SS were German nazis, but buoyed by the emotion of the moment and aided by group think they were never going to do anything else other than applaud once that anti Russian sentiment came to the fore.
If you had brought a Ukrainian toddler into the parliament and announced that he’d given Putin’s grandson a kicking in kindergarten he’d have gotten a round of applause as well.

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 27 2023 20:52 utc | 233

Regarding the Canadian Parliament and their standing ovations – twice – to an SS veteran, I think one has to realise that the anti Russian sentiment goes so deeply that simple logic has no place.
Yes, the parliamentarians may (in the cold light of day) be aware that Russia fought on the side of the Allies (even if they are loath to admit it in the current climate) and yes, they may be aware that the SS were German nazis, but buoyed by the emotion of the moment and aided by group think they were never going to do anything else other than applaud once that anti Russian sentiment came to the fore.
If you had brought a Ukrainian toddler into the parliament and announced that he’d given Putin’s grandson a kicking in kindergarten he’d have gotten a round of applause as well.

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 27 2023 20:52 utc | 234

OttoE | Sep 27 2023 20:35 utc | 111–
Thanks for your reply. Yes, it’s very clear that NATO governments are conducting a CYA (Cover Your Ass) exercise that ought to fool nobody. Same with supporting the Ukie Nazis. Of course, what does that support say about the political outlook of supporters? If one supports Nazis, doesn’t that qualify them as Nazis too–if not 100% but to a degree greater than 50%? Our bar and its patrons is rather well aware of the why behind these actions; but as I asked recently, those actions were clearly the result of policy given their synchronization between the Western allies–who ordered the policy and why was it not leaked as the decision was likely made in mid to late 1943?
The complexity of current events combined with the hidden nature of past events I’m both very much interested in demands more effort when there already aren’t enough hours in the day, which makes the situation perplexing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 20:54 utc | 235

OttoE | Sep 27 2023 20:35 utc | 111–
Thanks for your reply. Yes, it’s very clear that NATO governments are conducting a CYA (Cover Your Ass) exercise that ought to fool nobody. Same with supporting the Ukie Nazis. Of course, what does that support say about the political outlook of supporters? If one supports Nazis, doesn’t that qualify them as Nazis too–if not 100% but to a degree greater than 50%? Our bar and its patrons is rather well aware of the why behind these actions; but as I asked recently, those actions were clearly the result of policy given their synchronization between the Western allies–who ordered the policy and why was it not leaked as the decision was likely made in mid to late 1943?
The complexity of current events combined with the hidden nature of past events I’m both very much interested in demands more effort when there already aren’t enough hours in the day, which makes the situation perplexing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 20:54 utc | 236

some of the German “newspapers” have said – esp. the”One” of its MSM:

Germany is delaying delivery of Taurus long-range cruise missiles to Ukraine for fear of a direct confrontation with Russia, the Wall Street Journal reports, citing German officials. Accordingly, Germany fears that German specialists will be needed to maintain the Taurus, which could push Berlin into a direct confrontation with Moscow. Because of these fears, Chancellor Olaf Scholz personally suspended rocket deliveries, the newspaper said.

Whatever the German “Taurus” high-tech missile – newly developped as a technical state of its art on the future may be today in UKR (no one still have any acknowledge knowing exactly about that ‘WonderWeapon” tech details) – ..
Even would be so, still having an early technical understanding of its “Combat capabilities” rather than the fact that that device can fly across enemy areas over a up to 600 km range -GREAT!
Even US has not a such far-range capable war missile-device.
So calm down, German ‘Cancellor’ .. look on your own feet: Cum-EX scandal, etc. + & + .., ever heard about this in HH from a General Attorney? ..
Mr. Scholz – go home into exile, now! – together with your (still female) Foreign Minister BS-Bock ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 27 2023 20:55 utc | 237

some of the German “newspapers” have said – esp. the”One” of its MSM:

Germany is delaying delivery of Taurus long-range cruise missiles to Ukraine for fear of a direct confrontation with Russia, the Wall Street Journal reports, citing German officials. Accordingly, Germany fears that German specialists will be needed to maintain the Taurus, which could push Berlin into a direct confrontation with Moscow. Because of these fears, Chancellor Olaf Scholz personally suspended rocket deliveries, the newspaper said.

Whatever the German “Taurus” high-tech missile – newly developped as a technical state of its art on the future may be today in UKR (no one still have any acknowledge knowing exactly about that ‘WonderWeapon” tech details) – ..
Even would be so, still having an early technical understanding of its “Combat capabilities” rather than the fact that that device can fly across enemy areas over a up to 600 km range -GREAT!
Even US has not a such far-range capable war missile-device.
So calm down, German ‘Cancellor’ .. look on your own feet: Cum-EX scandal, etc. + & + .., ever heard about this in HH from a General Attorney? ..
Mr. Scholz – go home into exile, now! – together with your (still female) Foreign Minister BS-Bock ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 27 2023 20:55 utc | 238

There must also be WW2 veterans organizations in Canada appalled by this. Canadians suffered POW massacres in Normandy at the hands of the 12th Waffen SS ‘Hitler Jugend’. Can Canada’s losses in that war and suffering at the hands of that same organization really be so easily swept aside? I guess time erases memory. At least the Poles don’t forget.
Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 27 2023 19:45 utc | 101
Time doesn’t erase the memories of those who were loved and lost. The memory of the Good Sons who were called to war to defeat the nazi / nawzi as Churchill would say. Same fella who sent my Grandpa to Gallipoli.
It’s a complicated thing which evokes complicated emotions. End of day, the compilations favor those who manipulate. I don’t watch videos of Ukrainians being killed in trenches, or Russians either. My horror quotient was full a very long time ago.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 20:57 utc | 239

There must also be WW2 veterans organizations in Canada appalled by this. Canadians suffered POW massacres in Normandy at the hands of the 12th Waffen SS ‘Hitler Jugend’. Can Canada’s losses in that war and suffering at the hands of that same organization really be so easily swept aside? I guess time erases memory. At least the Poles don’t forget.
Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 27 2023 19:45 utc | 101
Time doesn’t erase the memories of those who were loved and lost. The memory of the Good Sons who were called to war to defeat the nazi / nawzi as Churchill would say. Same fella who sent my Grandpa to Gallipoli.
It’s a complicated thing which evokes complicated emotions. End of day, the compilations favor those who manipulate. I don’t watch videos of Ukrainians being killed in trenches, or Russians either. My horror quotient was full a very long time ago.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 20:57 utc | 240

Get your historical “facts” straight cause you definitely are in the bubbly world of mythology.
Posted by: Tom_12 | Sep 27 2023 20:02 utc | 107
This is a FREE forum, present you case and correct me.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 21:05 utc | 241

Get your historical “facts” straight cause you definitely are in the bubbly world of mythology.
Posted by: Tom_12 | Sep 27 2023 20:02 utc | 107
This is a FREE forum, present you case and correct me.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 21:05 utc | 242

If you want to get a handle on the depth of misunderstanding and delusions, read the comments sections of the FT articles on Ukraine. My favourite looney there is one ‘californian Historian’ who seems to be the epitome of ‘Slava Ukraini’. Facts are no obstacle to wild assertions. As for the German press I’m interested to see how they spin the soon to come denouement.
They’ll hang it all on Zelenski is my guess…

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Sep 27 2023 21:07 utc | 243

If you want to get a handle on the depth of misunderstanding and delusions, read the comments sections of the FT articles on Ukraine. My favourite looney there is one ‘californian Historian’ who seems to be the epitome of ‘Slava Ukraini’. Facts are no obstacle to wild assertions. As for the German press I’m interested to see how they spin the soon to come denouement.
They’ll hang it all on Zelenski is my guess…

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Sep 27 2023 21:07 utc | 244

The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible. If the Party could thrust its hand into the past and say of this or that event, it never happened… And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed… then the lie passed into history and became truth. ~ George Orwell, 1984
An alternative conception of democracy is that the public must be barred from managing of their own affairs and the means of information must be kept narrowly and rigidly controlled. That may sound like an odd conception of democracy, but it’s important to understand that it is the prevailing conception.
The picture of the world that’s presented to the public has only the remotest relation to reality. The truth of the matter is buried under edifice after edifice of lies upon lies.

– Noam Chomsky, Media Control: The Spectacular Achievements of Propaganda
https://archive.org/details/Media_Control_The_Spectacular_Achievements_of_Propaganda_Noam_Chomsky
“The degradation of mainstream American press coverage of Russia… has been under way for many years. If the recent tsunami of shamefully unprofessional and politically inflammatory articles in leading newspapers and magazines — particularly about the Sochi Olympics, Ukraine and, unfailingly, President Vladimir Putin — is an indication, this media malpractice is now pervasive and the new norm.
– Stephen F. Cohen, Distorting Russia How the American media misrepresent Putin, Sochi and Ukraine, February 12, 2014
https://www.thenation.com/article/distorting-russia/
“Propaganda must be limited to a few simple themes and these must be represented again and again. Here, as in innumerable other cases, perseverance is the first and most important condition of success.” …
“… in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily… It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.
– Adolf Hitler in
Mein Kampf (My Struggle) , translated by James Murphy (1939)
One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, it should be a big lie, and one should stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.
– Joseph Goebbels, “Aus Churchills Lügenfabrik” (“Churchill’s Lie Factory”), 12 January 1941, Die Zeit ohne Beispiel, pp. 364-369
“If you wonder how the world could stumble into World War III much as it did into World War I a century ago all you need to do is look at the madness that has enveloped virtually the entire U.S. political/media structure over Ukraine where a false narrative of white hats vs. black hats took hold early and has proved impervious to facts or reason.
“The original lie behind Official Washington’s latest “group think” was that Russian President Vladimir Putin instigated the crisis in Ukraine as part of some diabolical scheme to reclaim the territory of the defunct Soviet Union, including Estonia and other Baltic states.
Though not a shred of U.S. intelligence supported this scenario, all the “smart people” of Washington just “knew” it to be true.
– Robert Parry:
Who’s Telling the ‘Big Lie’ on Ukraine? Consortium News, December 8, 2021
https://consortiumnews.com/2021/12/08/robert-parry-whos-telling-the-big-lie-on-ukraine/

Posted by: Toby C | Sep 27 2023 21:15 utc | 245

The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible. If the Party could thrust its hand into the past and say of this or that event, it never happened… And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed… then the lie passed into history and became truth. ~ George Orwell, 1984
An alternative conception of democracy is that the public must be barred from managing of their own affairs and the means of information must be kept narrowly and rigidly controlled. That may sound like an odd conception of democracy, but it’s important to understand that it is the prevailing conception.
The picture of the world that’s presented to the public has only the remotest relation to reality. The truth of the matter is buried under edifice after edifice of lies upon lies.

– Noam Chomsky, Media Control: The Spectacular Achievements of Propaganda
https://archive.org/details/Media_Control_The_Spectacular_Achievements_of_Propaganda_Noam_Chomsky
“The degradation of mainstream American press coverage of Russia… has been under way for many years. If the recent tsunami of shamefully unprofessional and politically inflammatory articles in leading newspapers and magazines — particularly about the Sochi Olympics, Ukraine and, unfailingly, President Vladimir Putin — is an indication, this media malpractice is now pervasive and the new norm.
– Stephen F. Cohen, Distorting Russia How the American media misrepresent Putin, Sochi and Ukraine, February 12, 2014
https://www.thenation.com/article/distorting-russia/
“Propaganda must be limited to a few simple themes and these must be represented again and again. Here, as in innumerable other cases, perseverance is the first and most important condition of success.” …
“… in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily… It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.
– Adolf Hitler in
Mein Kampf (My Struggle) , translated by James Murphy (1939)
One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, it should be a big lie, and one should stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.
– Joseph Goebbels, “Aus Churchills Lügenfabrik” (“Churchill’s Lie Factory”), 12 January 1941, Die Zeit ohne Beispiel, pp. 364-369
“If you wonder how the world could stumble into World War III much as it did into World War I a century ago all you need to do is look at the madness that has enveloped virtually the entire U.S. political/media structure over Ukraine where a false narrative of white hats vs. black hats took hold early and has proved impervious to facts or reason.
“The original lie behind Official Washington’s latest “group think” was that Russian President Vladimir Putin instigated the crisis in Ukraine as part of some diabolical scheme to reclaim the territory of the defunct Soviet Union, including Estonia and other Baltic states.
Though not a shred of U.S. intelligence supported this scenario, all the “smart people” of Washington just “knew” it to be true.
– Robert Parry:
Who’s Telling the ‘Big Lie’ on Ukraine? Consortium News, December 8, 2021
https://consortiumnews.com/2021/12/08/robert-parry-whos-telling-the-big-lie-on-ukraine/

Posted by: Toby C | Sep 27 2023 21:15 utc | 246

can anyone help…cannot remember where I read today re development by a Rus company of a new EMP weapon missile..knocks out everything 3 .5 k radius ..all drones comms eg automatic loading systems in tanks.. even reaching underground to a great depth….Aluba or Abuga Alugba Alubga????something….I usually source stuff from sputnik and rt channels but no luck searching…. sounds a real gamechanger just stops everything by EMP except life(unless you have a pacemaker???..chip implants???.)….one of the new theories type weapons Pres Putin mentioned??? not good at searching history yandex but was not on recent tabs but sputnik is on an app….

Posted by: Jo | Sep 27 2023 21:18 utc | 247

can anyone help…cannot remember where I read today re development by a Rus company of a new EMP weapon missile..knocks out everything 3 .5 k radius ..all drones comms eg automatic loading systems in tanks.. even reaching underground to a great depth….Aluba or Abuga Alugba Alubga????something….I usually source stuff from sputnik and rt channels but no luck searching…. sounds a real gamechanger just stops everything by EMP except life(unless you have a pacemaker???..chip implants???.)….one of the new theories type weapons Pres Putin mentioned??? not good at searching history yandex but was not on recent tabs but sputnik is on an app….

Posted by: Jo | Sep 27 2023 21:18 utc | 248

PM @karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 20:54 utc | 118
complexity…current events…history…not enough hours in the day…
Relax. You are doing an outstanding job in this bar. IMO it is not necessary to understand each and every facet of possible connections between past and present. Yes, it helps, but don’t become obsessed with the small stuff. A general picture in political economy plus a few essential overarching principles suffice in most cases. Humanism, morals and ethics, fairness,… are a few of the latter; I found those always a basis for your contributions. Carry on! Lavrov and Zhakaria digests are eagerly awaited. – Thanks & Cheers, OE.

Posted by: OttoE | Sep 27 2023 21:31 utc | 249

PM @karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 20:54 utc | 118
complexity…current events…history…not enough hours in the day…
Relax. You are doing an outstanding job in this bar. IMO it is not necessary to understand each and every facet of possible connections between past and present. Yes, it helps, but don’t become obsessed with the small stuff. A general picture in political economy plus a few essential overarching principles suffice in most cases. Humanism, morals and ethics, fairness,… are a few of the latter; I found those always a basis for your contributions. Carry on! Lavrov and Zhakaria digests are eagerly awaited. – Thanks & Cheers, OE.

Posted by: OttoE | Sep 27 2023 21:31 utc | 250

Posted by: Roger | Sep 27 2023 19:09 utc | 87
Have you read Rockhill? I only ask because I’ve waded through his essay/disguised-polemic, ‘The CIA and the Frankfurt School’s anti-Communism’ and would like those 30 mins of precious life back! Irony of ironies (they abound with socialism) his piece comes over as an exercise in brand protection, and a report to shareholders, of Communism inc, explaining their poor market share in the Western division.
Irony of ironies number two: his insistence on linking all academic product to the material world, dismissing any idea of any separation as metaphysical, means that Marxism is simply an exercise in the rationalising of personal failure in the world, that became a political movement simply as a beneficiary of historical synchronicity.
So, once again, thank you for the ‘link’ but all it did was reinforce my ‘fascistic’ belief that intellectual Marxists are verbose, hypocritical individuals who, unable to adapt to their surroundings, attempt to re-engineer the world.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 27 2023 21:32 utc | 251

Posted by: Roger | Sep 27 2023 19:09 utc | 87
Have you read Rockhill? I only ask because I’ve waded through his essay/disguised-polemic, ‘The CIA and the Frankfurt School’s anti-Communism’ and would like those 30 mins of precious life back! Irony of ironies (they abound with socialism) his piece comes over as an exercise in brand protection, and a report to shareholders, of Communism inc, explaining their poor market share in the Western division.
Irony of ironies number two: his insistence on linking all academic product to the material world, dismissing any idea of any separation as metaphysical, means that Marxism is simply an exercise in the rationalising of personal failure in the world, that became a political movement simply as a beneficiary of historical synchronicity.
So, once again, thank you for the ‘link’ but all it did was reinforce my ‘fascistic’ belief that intellectual Marxists are verbose, hypocritical individuals who, unable to adapt to their surroundings, attempt to re-engineer the world.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 27 2023 21:32 utc | 252

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/better-call-volga-10000-ukrainian-soldiers-surrender-using/
10,000 surrender via radio….

Ukrainian troops are surrendering in droves, Russian TASS news agency claims, to the extent that Moscow has set up a special radio frequency so Ukrainian soldiers wishing to survive the Meat Grinder can do so safely.
Approximately 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers have surrendered to the Russians using the special 149.200 “Volga” radio frequency, which has been operating since mid-summer, TASS reported.
“Now more than 10,000 Ukrainian servicemen have already chosen life and used the 149.200 ‘Volga’ frequency to surrender. The captives are being fed; they are being provided with all necessary medical care,” a source told TASS, saying the radio frequency works along the entire front.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 27 2023 21:34 utc | 253

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/better-call-volga-10000-ukrainian-soldiers-surrender-using/
10,000 surrender via radio….

Ukrainian troops are surrendering in droves, Russian TASS news agency claims, to the extent that Moscow has set up a special radio frequency so Ukrainian soldiers wishing to survive the Meat Grinder can do so safely.
Approximately 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers have surrendered to the Russians using the special 149.200 “Volga” radio frequency, which has been operating since mid-summer, TASS reported.
“Now more than 10,000 Ukrainian servicemen have already chosen life and used the 149.200 ‘Volga’ frequency to surrender. The captives are being fed; they are being provided with all necessary medical care,” a source told TASS, saying the radio frequency works along the entire front.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 27 2023 21:34 utc | 254

re my earlier post… could be in development about to be tested???non nuclear EMP called RadioEMP misdile for battlefield use
after some say that on July 10 a big “kind”of light explosion over Kiev was an EMP warning-practise
article from Beforeitsnews.com(no idea if reliable)
re my earlier post
—–_–
2021
“Russian General Vladimir Slipchenko in his military textbook Non-Contact Wars states: “In practically all preceding generations of wars…weapons were employed that acted against targets primarily by kinetic, chemical and thermal energy. In addition to these arms…new ones will also appear…in wars of the future…Weapons based on new physical principles having an electromagnetic effect will see considerable development. They will represent a form of casualty and damage producing effect on targets through the energy of electromagnetic emissions of various wavelengths and levels of power generated by radio frequency and laser weapons and by means of electronic countermeasures using a conventional or high-altitude nuclear burst…Depending on the power of emission, such weapons will be capable of…suppressing practically all classic electronic equipment…causing the melting or evaporation of metal in the printed circuit boards…or causing structural changes of electronic elements”.

Posted by: Jo | Sep 27 2023 21:42 utc | 255

re my earlier post… could be in development about to be tested???non nuclear EMP called RadioEMP misdile for battlefield use
after some say that on July 10 a big “kind”of light explosion over Kiev was an EMP warning-practise
article from Beforeitsnews.com(no idea if reliable)
re my earlier post
—–_–
2021
“Russian General Vladimir Slipchenko in his military textbook Non-Contact Wars states: “In practically all preceding generations of wars…weapons were employed that acted against targets primarily by kinetic, chemical and thermal energy. In addition to these arms…new ones will also appear…in wars of the future…Weapons based on new physical principles having an electromagnetic effect will see considerable development. They will represent a form of casualty and damage producing effect on targets through the energy of electromagnetic emissions of various wavelengths and levels of power generated by radio frequency and laser weapons and by means of electronic countermeasures using a conventional or high-altitude nuclear burst…Depending on the power of emission, such weapons will be capable of…suppressing practically all classic electronic equipment…causing the melting or evaporation of metal in the printed circuit boards…or causing structural changes of electronic elements”.

Posted by: Jo | Sep 27 2023 21:42 utc | 256

barstool @116
The ‘first Soviet famine’ occured in 1921, that was during the Civil War, a period in which agriculture was on the back burner. The capitalist powers refused to sell the grain needed to feed the starving.
I suppose that you can blame “marxism’ in the sense that had the government not been socialist the capitalists would have accepted its gold. Or maybe they were just holding out for a higher price, the way that capitalists do.
The historian EH Carr, a long time British government employee and a diplomat, has written a 14 volume history of the USSR. Three volumes are about the Revolution and the next four volumes are about the period giving rise to and including NEP. Why not read them if only to see if you have got any facts right?

Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 21:43 utc | 257

barstool @116
The ‘first Soviet famine’ occured in 1921, that was during the Civil War, a period in which agriculture was on the back burner. The capitalist powers refused to sell the grain needed to feed the starving.
I suppose that you can blame “marxism’ in the sense that had the government not been socialist the capitalists would have accepted its gold. Or maybe they were just holding out for a higher price, the way that capitalists do.
The historian EH Carr, a long time British government employee and a diplomat, has written a 14 volume history of the USSR. Three volumes are about the Revolution and the next four volumes are about the period giving rise to and including NEP. Why not read them if only to see if you have got any facts right?

Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 21:43 utc | 258

a play in the Baluga white whale,?

Posted by: Jo | Sep 27 2023 21:44 utc | 259

a play in the Baluga white whale,?

Posted by: Jo | Sep 27 2023 21:44 utc | 260

Whatever opinions/’facts’/estimated success on either side acc.to the currently ongoing escalating “war” – the US-vs-RF commanders further thinking should be as follows:
Whatever these ‘facts’ on war concern the current situation, the following new facts must also be remembered and taken into account, today – “The Black Sea War” – until end of 2025.
So pls, my suggestion is only to listen/read the following :

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/analysis-of-ukraines-escalating-crimean
The Black Sea theater in general has escalated so it would be instructive to dig into that a little more in depth and bring us up to speed on what’s been happening in that corridor of late.
There are several distinct categories, most notably attacks targeting the naval assets and those targeting the static land-based assets like HQs and Russian air defense batteries. The attacks have been stronger and perhaps even more successful than many in the pro-Russian sphere would like to admit, as there have been a couple that went by under the radar, and which the Russian MOD has done a thorough job of sweeping under the table. ..

That’s to think about – no more no less.

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 27 2023 21:52 utc | 261

Whatever opinions/’facts’/estimated success on either side acc.to the currently ongoing escalating “war” – the US-vs-RF commanders further thinking should be as follows:
Whatever these ‘facts’ on war concern the current situation, the following new facts must also be remembered and taken into account, today – “The Black Sea War” – until end of 2025.
So pls, my suggestion is only to listen/read the following :

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/analysis-of-ukraines-escalating-crimean
The Black Sea theater in general has escalated so it would be instructive to dig into that a little more in depth and bring us up to speed on what’s been happening in that corridor of late.
There are several distinct categories, most notably attacks targeting the naval assets and those targeting the static land-based assets like HQs and Russian air defense batteries. The attacks have been stronger and perhaps even more successful than many in the pro-Russian sphere would like to admit, as there have been a couple that went by under the radar, and which the Russian MOD has done a thorough job of sweeping under the table. ..

That’s to think about – no more no less.

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 27 2023 21:52 utc | 262

….Aluba or Abuga Alugba Alubga????something….
Posted by: Jo | Sep 27 2023 21:18 utc | 124
Alabuga. I remember that Deagel mentioned it as already operational, but unfortunately the entry has disappeared. Reason unknown.
https://en.topwar.ru/64421-sovremennym-rossiyskim-sredstvam-reb-pod-silu-vyrubit-celyy-polk.html
https://military-review.com/12528219-kret-develops-electromagnetic-weapons-the-alabuga-program-and-its-results

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 27 2023 21:52 utc | 263

….Aluba or Abuga Alugba Alubga????something….
Posted by: Jo | Sep 27 2023 21:18 utc | 124
Alabuga. I remember that Deagel mentioned it as already operational, but unfortunately the entry has disappeared. Reason unknown.
https://en.topwar.ru/64421-sovremennym-rossiyskim-sredstvam-reb-pod-silu-vyrubit-celyy-polk.html
https://military-review.com/12528219-kret-develops-electromagnetic-weapons-the-alabuga-program-and-its-results

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 27 2023 21:52 utc | 264

Posted by: barstool | Sep 27 2023 20:41 utc | 116
That makes a lot of sense. The nazis had the racial aryan supremacy thing going on as an extra feature, that is what makes them unacceptable in this era and age. And that type of nationalism is exactly what Russia accuses the Ukrainian government of when the say “nazis”. But concerning systemic solutions in the economy, there are indeed parallels to today. Strangely enough, state control of large industry is a feature in Russia/China while vice-versa in the West.
Not complete analogy as in the West today we see some confrontation of politics/government with corporations but mostly on ideological ground in the sense of wokeism (critical theory in practice). But as far as Western government manifest themselves as technocracies seeing the citizens as consumers – just what a corporation will see – the symbiosis is complete.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 27 2023 21:54 utc | 265

Posted by: barstool | Sep 27 2023 20:41 utc | 116
That makes a lot of sense. The nazis had the racial aryan supremacy thing going on as an extra feature, that is what makes them unacceptable in this era and age. And that type of nationalism is exactly what Russia accuses the Ukrainian government of when the say “nazis”. But concerning systemic solutions in the economy, there are indeed parallels to today. Strangely enough, state control of large industry is a feature in Russia/China while vice-versa in the West.
Not complete analogy as in the West today we see some confrontation of politics/government with corporations but mostly on ideological ground in the sense of wokeism (critical theory in practice). But as far as Western government manifest themselves as technocracies seeing the citizens as consumers – just what a corporation will see – the symbiosis is complete.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 27 2023 21:54 utc | 266

@131 – self
sorry, the link once more to a direct call:
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/analysis-of-ukraines-escalating-crimean

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 27 2023 21:55 utc | 267

@131 – self
sorry, the link once more to a direct call:
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/analysis-of-ukraines-escalating-crimean

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 27 2023 21:55 utc | 268

MULTIPLE BLUNDERS IN SEVEN DAYS CHIP AWAY AT KIEVS CREDIBILITY WORLDWIDE
1. The Market missile which killed 16 civvies after which kiev falsely claimed that Russia was to blame only for it later to be found it was a ukraine missile.
2. The firing of the trans Military Affairs spokesperson of kiev, who threatened to “hunt down russian propogandists” worldwide and kill them.
3. The thunderous applause afforded the former SS Nazi in the Canadian parliament during Elenskys visit.
4. The false claim that a russian general was killed in a missile strike by kiev on sevastepol only for the General to appear at a meeting in Russia.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 27 2023 22:00 utc | 269

MULTIPLE BLUNDERS IN SEVEN DAYS CHIP AWAY AT KIEVS CREDIBILITY WORLDWIDE
1. The Market missile which killed 16 civvies after which kiev falsely claimed that Russia was to blame only for it later to be found it was a ukraine missile.
2. The firing of the trans Military Affairs spokesperson of kiev, who threatened to “hunt down russian propogandists” worldwide and kill them.
3. The thunderous applause afforded the former SS Nazi in the Canadian parliament during Elenskys visit.
4. The false claim that a russian general was killed in a missile strike by kiev on sevastepol only for the General to appear at a meeting in Russia.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 27 2023 22:00 utc | 270

Q&As from Zakharova’s weekly briefing linked upthread is germane to this topic:
There’re a number of excellent reports made on other events besides the two I’ve posted about on this thread that deserve more exposure. They will be published at my substack, although Zakharova’s entire briefing and Q&A session won’t be posted.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 20:40 utc | 114
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Rare gem.
Some of us merely vomit at the sight of Karine Jean-Pierre without the need to listen to her.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 27 2023 22:06 utc | 271

Q&As from Zakharova’s weekly briefing linked upthread is germane to this topic:
There’re a number of excellent reports made on other events besides the two I’ve posted about on this thread that deserve more exposure. They will be published at my substack, although Zakharova’s entire briefing and Q&A session won’t be posted.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 20:40 utc | 114
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Rare gem.
Some of us merely vomit at the sight of Karine Jean-Pierre without the need to listen to her.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 27 2023 22:06 utc | 272

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 27 2023 22:00 utc | 135

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 27 2023 22:31 utc | 273

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 27 2023 22:00 utc | 135

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 27 2023 22:31 utc | 274

Re: Jo @124
I saw this on Pepe Escobar’s telegram feed, cross posted from Slavyangrad:
The Russian Alabuga complex is said to be “more potent than a nuclear bomb.” The Russian Federation is developing a missile equipped with a high-frequency generator of immense power, intended to neutralise the enemy without firing a single shot.
In the West, Alabuga is referred to as a “secret weapon” described as “more potent than a nuclear bomb,” capable of “disabling entire armies.” This electromagnetic missile has the capability to disable all enemy electronics within a 3.5km radius.
“The military intends to install these weapons on the latest Russian drones to deter enemy aircraft. Additionally, such a system can be used to destroy missile warheads and communication devices on airplanes. Furthermore, it can block the automatic loading of tanks, detonate artillery shells inside the gun turret, and eliminate enemy soldiers hiding underground at depths of up to 100 meters using radiation,” as reported by the Daily Star. (Not the classiest of red tops I may add).
There is more, but I think those are the pertinent points you were referring to

Posted by: Phalanges | Sep 27 2023 22:32 utc | 275

Re: Jo @124
I saw this on Pepe Escobar’s telegram feed, cross posted from Slavyangrad:
The Russian Alabuga complex is said to be “more potent than a nuclear bomb.” The Russian Federation is developing a missile equipped with a high-frequency generator of immense power, intended to neutralise the enemy without firing a single shot.
In the West, Alabuga is referred to as a “secret weapon” described as “more potent than a nuclear bomb,” capable of “disabling entire armies.” This electromagnetic missile has the capability to disable all enemy electronics within a 3.5km radius.
“The military intends to install these weapons on the latest Russian drones to deter enemy aircraft. Additionally, such a system can be used to destroy missile warheads and communication devices on airplanes. Furthermore, it can block the automatic loading of tanks, detonate artillery shells inside the gun turret, and eliminate enemy soldiers hiding underground at depths of up to 100 meters using radiation,” as reported by the Daily Star. (Not the classiest of red tops I may add).
There is more, but I think those are the pertinent points you were referring to

Posted by: Phalanges | Sep 27 2023 22:32 utc | 276

My selection of Zakharova’s briefing remarks and Q&As is done and can be read here. Even so as I note in the sub-title, it’s a rather long read with the focus on Ukraine at first then Moldova and Armenia later with a few curiosities thrown in. Putin did hold a very informative meeting of government members today that I thought of providing, particularly the opening discussion on the regulation of fuel prices, but Maria’s briefing won out.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 22:36 utc | 277

My selection of Zakharova’s briefing remarks and Q&As is done and can be read here. Even so as I note in the sub-title, it’s a rather long read with the focus on Ukraine at first then Moldova and Armenia later with a few curiosities thrown in. Putin did hold a very informative meeting of government members today that I thought of providing, particularly the opening discussion on the regulation of fuel prices, but Maria’s briefing won out.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 22:36 utc | 278

While I doubt the destruction of a building built in the 18th century and claimed to be the HQ of the Black Seas fleet has had any impact on the war or Fleet operations.
While I hope no one was killed or injured in this attack, the hard reality of war is “so what”. Russia has an abundance of officers, the loss of any one is a horrible tragedy for the individual and his family, but, by design should not greatly impact the war. Now if such attacks are actually successful over and over again and HQ’s and staff are repeatedly killed, then over time there will be an impact.
This is what is happening in Ukraine and NOT happening in Russia.
The White House assumption is that media event attacks on military and civilian targets in Crimea somehow puts pressure on Russia to agree to a frozen conflict. They imagine that Russia has a spectator political culture like the US and overestimate the impact of breathless announcements of attacks has on Russian opinion.
Truthfully, who knows. But I don’t see anything like “concern” in Russian actions. There will be some actions in war for which neither Russia nor anyone else has answers. Weapons reach their targets, people die, material is destroyed. So what. It’s war.

Posted by: danf51 | Sep 27 2023 22:37 utc | 279

While I doubt the destruction of a building built in the 18th century and claimed to be the HQ of the Black Seas fleet has had any impact on the war or Fleet operations.
While I hope no one was killed or injured in this attack, the hard reality of war is “so what”. Russia has an abundance of officers, the loss of any one is a horrible tragedy for the individual and his family, but, by design should not greatly impact the war. Now if such attacks are actually successful over and over again and HQ’s and staff are repeatedly killed, then over time there will be an impact.
This is what is happening in Ukraine and NOT happening in Russia.
The White House assumption is that media event attacks on military and civilian targets in Crimea somehow puts pressure on Russia to agree to a frozen conflict. They imagine that Russia has a spectator political culture like the US and overestimate the impact of breathless announcements of attacks has on Russian opinion.
Truthfully, who knows. But I don’t see anything like “concern” in Russian actions. There will be some actions in war for which neither Russia nor anyone else has answers. Weapons reach their targets, people die, material is destroyed. So what. It’s war.

Posted by: danf51 | Sep 27 2023 22:37 utc | 280

Re: Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Sep 27 2023 16:21 utc | 43

The U.S. MSM treats all Ukrainian statements as facts that have to be disproved. Ukraine says they killed Russia’s top Admiral and they report it as ‘different narratives’ and even claim that Russia is using doppelgangers.

So what? Pro-Russians have repeatedly made the exact same claims about Budanov & Zaluzhny!! I’ve seen it repeatedly around here.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 27 2023 22:57 utc | 281

Re: Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Sep 27 2023 16:21 utc | 43

The U.S. MSM treats all Ukrainian statements as facts that have to be disproved. Ukraine says they killed Russia’s top Admiral and they report it as ‘different narratives’ and even claim that Russia is using doppelgangers.

So what? Pro-Russians have repeatedly made the exact same claims about Budanov & Zaluzhny!! I’ve seen it repeatedly around here.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 27 2023 22:57 utc | 282

To the outrageous honoring of the old Ukrainian Nazi in Canada’s Parliament. No chance in Hades that Trudeau and Freeland weren’t fully aware of the nature of the insult.
Pierre Elliot rode his motorcycle, footloose and fancy-free in Quebec during WWII. There were pictures, long ago scrubbed, of his swastika on his helmet or his bike.
Connor Bedard has roots that go all the way back to Churchill, Manitoba to some of the toughest families I ever knew.

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 27 2023 22:58 utc | 283

To the outrageous honoring of the old Ukrainian Nazi in Canada’s Parliament. No chance in Hades that Trudeau and Freeland weren’t fully aware of the nature of the insult.
Pierre Elliot rode his motorcycle, footloose and fancy-free in Quebec during WWII. There were pictures, long ago scrubbed, of his swastika on his helmet or his bike.
Connor Bedard has roots that go all the way back to Churchill, Manitoba to some of the toughest families I ever knew.

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 27 2023 22:58 utc | 284

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 27 2023 21:54 utc | 133
In the US, Industries are still being consolidated. Control is hidden because it is shared between the corporate and government. Both are owned by the same groups.
Obamacare, then Covid-19 response consolidated the medical industry. Most hospitals and medical facilities were either shut down or “consolidated” into very few companies in any area. “Private providers” have effectively become subsidiaries of the hospital corps. They must rent computers, telecommunications, billing systems, record systems, payment systems and scheduling systems from their controlling hospital corporation, often through a third party.
Remember CLECs, OLECs, and other telecommunication choices? They are gone. Even the baby bells consolidated and swallowed the long distance companies. There are now effectively four phone companies in the US, divided by geographical areas. Cell phone providers? Trace them back! They are just marketing gimmicks. There are very few, and most cell towers are owned by the four phone companies. Where’s the competition?
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 could have opened the industry to competition. Instead it was designed to destroy it. It also destroyed the independent news and TV industry by allowing consolidation that had been prohibited, along with many other sins. It’s real purpose was to allow the Nationalist Socialists to take control.
The barrier between US government and US corporations has been destroyed. They are the same entity. They are The Deep State, and they control the economy.

Posted by: barstool | Sep 27 2023 23:01 utc | 285

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 27 2023 21:54 utc | 133
In the US, Industries are still being consolidated. Control is hidden because it is shared between the corporate and government. Both are owned by the same groups.
Obamacare, then Covid-19 response consolidated the medical industry. Most hospitals and medical facilities were either shut down or “consolidated” into very few companies in any area. “Private providers” have effectively become subsidiaries of the hospital corps. They must rent computers, telecommunications, billing systems, record systems, payment systems and scheduling systems from their controlling hospital corporation, often through a third party.
Remember CLECs, OLECs, and other telecommunication choices? They are gone. Even the baby bells consolidated and swallowed the long distance companies. There are now effectively four phone companies in the US, divided by geographical areas. Cell phone providers? Trace them back! They are just marketing gimmicks. There are very few, and most cell towers are owned by the four phone companies. Where’s the competition?
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 could have opened the industry to competition. Instead it was designed to destroy it. It also destroyed the independent news and TV industry by allowing consolidation that had been prohibited, along with many other sins. It’s real purpose was to allow the Nationalist Socialists to take control.
The barrier between US government and US corporations has been destroyed. They are the same entity. They are The Deep State, and they control the economy.

Posted by: barstool | Sep 27 2023 23:01 utc | 286

These people are so incredibly conceited that they think the rest of the world is so anti-russian that it would be acceptable to applaud a former ss nazi as long as he killed russians.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 27 2023 23:03 utc | 287

These people are so incredibly conceited that they think the rest of the world is so anti-russian that it would be acceptable to applaud a former ss nazi as long as he killed russians.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 27 2023 23:03 utc | 288

Here a party (US/UK, CIA, MI6) feels something in distress – is that what they (Nuland/Blinken) really have to worry about today? Think so.
Nuland/Blinken have to decide whether on ongoing US/EU-RF war – or NOT.
If those small mafia-club is ongoing to dedcide (with puppet Biden & son) what the hell may remain on theUkranian lands, than I order and asap. send a killing-sniper command via “Mozart” or any other-named priovate mercs contacts ..
Be sure _ Dear Gents+Ladies, on the General Attorney of USA !

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 27 2023 23:04 utc | 289

Here a party (US/UK, CIA, MI6) feels something in distress – is that what they (Nuland/Blinken) really have to worry about today? Think so.
Nuland/Blinken have to decide whether on ongoing US/EU-RF war – or NOT.
If those small mafia-club is ongoing to dedcide (with puppet Biden & son) what the hell may remain on theUkranian lands, than I order and asap. send a killing-sniper command via “Mozart” or any other-named priovate mercs contacts ..
Be sure _ Dear Gents+Ladies, on the General Attorney of USA !

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 27 2023 23:04 utc | 290

Jo 128
Thank you for your description of electromagnetic weapons. I have heard talk of electronic equipment eventually becoming useless in conversations with Muslims over many years.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 27 2023 23:09 utc | 291

Jo 128
Thank you for your description of electromagnetic weapons. I have heard talk of electronic equipment eventually becoming useless in conversations with Muslims over many years.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 27 2023 23:09 utc | 292

Tenet@7
“Both you and Soothsayer are completely demented, but it takes a special form of madness to accuse Biden and his cronies, put in office by capitalist oligarchs, of being Marxists.
I sincerely hope that, at some stage in the future you will regain the basic political judgement that is a vital part of sanity.”
Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 9
No. The globalist oligarchs have no political philosophynor objectives.They are above such ideology. They are neutral and “diversified” and will support whichever useful idiots are best suited to fulfill their objectives in the moment. They always win regardless of whatever outcome we hoi polloi suckers must endure.

Posted by: czechlist | Sep 27 2023 23:15 utc | 293

Tenet@7
“Both you and Soothsayer are completely demented, but it takes a special form of madness to accuse Biden and his cronies, put in office by capitalist oligarchs, of being Marxists.
I sincerely hope that, at some stage in the future you will regain the basic political judgement that is a vital part of sanity.”
Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 9
No. The globalist oligarchs have no political philosophynor objectives.They are above such ideology. They are neutral and “diversified” and will support whichever useful idiots are best suited to fulfill their objectives in the moment. They always win regardless of whatever outcome we hoi polloi suckers must endure.

Posted by: czechlist | Sep 27 2023 23:15 utc | 294

Posted by: Gerry | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 8
The Nazis were quite supportive of traditional family values:

Hitler promoted the importance of a stable, traditional family. Men were to be in charge and protect their family. Women were to serve and nurture their family.
Hitler said this was “the natural order”.
Hitler wanted to use families to increase the size of the population and to ensure it was pure Aryan.
Nazi views on the role of women
In public, Hitler said women were “equal but different from men”.
He believed women’s lives should revolve around the three ‘Ks’: Kinder, Küche, Kirche (Children, Kitchen, Church).
The Nazis expected women to stay at home, look after the family and produce children in order to secure the future of the Aryan race.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 27 2023 23:16 utc | 295

Posted by: Gerry | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 8
The Nazis were quite supportive of traditional family values:

Hitler promoted the importance of a stable, traditional family. Men were to be in charge and protect their family. Women were to serve and nurture their family.
Hitler said this was “the natural order”.
Hitler wanted to use families to increase the size of the population and to ensure it was pure Aryan.
Nazi views on the role of women
In public, Hitler said women were “equal but different from men”.
He believed women’s lives should revolve around the three ‘Ks’: Kinder, Küche, Kirche (Children, Kitchen, Church).
The Nazis expected women to stay at home, look after the family and produce children in order to secure the future of the Aryan race.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 27 2023 23:16 utc | 296

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 27 2023 19:41 utc | 98
What do you mean by “fascist phase”?
I can only understand that you are confusing Machiavellianism with fascism.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 27 2023 23:20 utc | 297

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 27 2023 19:41 utc | 98
What do you mean by “fascist phase”?
I can only understand that you are confusing Machiavellianism with fascism.

Posted by: Colin | Sep 27 2023 23:20 utc | 298

Posted by: Colin | Sep 27 2023 23:16 utc | 148
The problem lies in your last sentance Colin….”in order to secure the future of the Aryan race”.
Thats an FRIGHTENING broad brush.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 27 2023 23:24 utc | 299

Posted by: Colin | Sep 27 2023 23:16 utc | 148
The problem lies in your last sentance Colin….”in order to secure the future of the Aryan race”.
Thats an FRIGHTENING broad brush.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 27 2023 23:24 utc | 300