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September 27, 2023
Mainstream Media Admit – Ukraine’s Propaganda Is Full Of Lies

As a sign of the turning narrative of the war in Ukraine we find a new New York Times piece about 'disinformation' that is not about Russia but about lies from Ukraine.

Andrew E. Kramer, the NYT correspondent in Kiev, opens with an anecdote from the first weeks of the war:

Six weeks after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukraine sank the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, dealing a serious blow to the enemy navy, and, a Ukrainian official said, killing the ship’s captain.

“We do not mourn,” an adviser to the interior minister at the time, Anton Gerashchenko, said.

The only problem was that the captain — or somebody who resembled him — later appeared in a video of survivors released by the Russian Navy. He had escaped his sinking ship, the Moskva, the video seemed to indicate.

Then comes a paragraph that could fit both countries but the following one it is again related to disinformation from Ukraine:

What is clear is that misdirection, disinformation and propaganda are weapons regularly deployed in Russia’s war in Ukraine to buoy spirits at home, demoralize the enemy or lead opponents into a trap. And it is often hard to know when reports are false or why they may have been disseminated.

Now, Ukraine and Russia are offering dueling narratives over whether a more senior Russian naval officer, the commanding admiral of the Black Sea Fleet, is alive or dead.

Well, in this interview Adm. Viktor Sokolov looks quite alive.

Then comes an astonishing admission:

Few military analysts, […], believe the Ukrainian military’s optimistic daily account of Russian casualties running into the hundreds that is nonetheless reported widely in Ukrainian media.

It is the first time I see a public refutation of Ukraine's laughable claims about Russian casualties in the mainstream media. It is also an indictment of the Biden administration and the Pentagon who publicly use the Ukrainian numbers.

The piece ends with a wise acknowledgement:

Mr. Gerashchenko said that, in the end, war propaganda is only effective when it accompanies battlefield successes. The missile strike on the headquarters of the Russian Black Sea Fleet last week, he said, was a “stunning success of Ukrainian intelligence and the air force that fired the cruise missiles on a supposedly well-defended site.”

“You cannot win the propaganda war without winning the real war,” he added.

Oh really? Guess who told you so:

Good to see that this obvious truth is finally sinking in.

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Yesterday the Minister of Defense in Russia, Sergei Shoigu, gave an update (in Russian) on the war in Ukraine. The speech seemed to include a time frame for the war to end (machine translation):

The United States and its allies continue to arm the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the Kiev regime throws untrained soldiers into senseless assaults, for slaughter.

Such cynical actions by the West and their cronies in Kiev only encourage Ukraine to self-destruct."

"Under these conditions, we continue to increase the combat power of the Armed Forces, including through the supply of modern weapons and improving the training of troops, taking into account the experience of a special military operation. Consistent implementation of the activities of the Action Plan until 2025 will allow us to achieve our goals."

Shoigu expects the war to run throughout 2024 and into 2025. But if the current loss rate of the Ukrainian army continues the country will be running out of soldiers and armored vehicles before the end of next year.

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Schadenfreude:

Posted by b on September 27, 2023 at 13:50 UTC | Permalink
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Go to rumble Vovan & Lexus channel
Forgot to add that this tranny dude also said Russians or anyone who supports Russia is not human so should not be treated as human. Doubles down on hunting all these ppl down.
Also that Russians are not european but Asian. Descendants from mongols and a race that loves to be enslaved.
This dude is a Nazi through and through lol
Posted by: Comandante | Sep 27 2023 15:33 utc | 24
You know there is a little historical continuity here. Hitler’s SA was filled with homosexuals including its leader Rohm. It became such an embarrassment that when political differences emerged the SA leadership was massacred by their replacement, the SS.
There’s a good movie, a little over the top, but pretty entertaining called The Damned by the great Luchino Visconti, that dramatizes the violent transition.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 27 2023 16:53 utc | 101

Go to rumble Vovan & Lexus channel
Forgot to add that this tranny dude also said Russians or anyone who supports Russia is not human so should not be treated as human. Doubles down on hunting all these ppl down.
Also that Russians are not european but Asian. Descendants from mongols and a race that loves to be enslaved.
This dude is a Nazi through and through lol
Posted by: Comandante | Sep 27 2023 15:33 utc | 24
You know there is a little historical continuity here. Hitler’s SA was filled with homosexuals including its leader Rohm. It became such an embarrassment that when political differences emerged the SA leadership was massacred by their replacement, the SS.
There’s a good movie, a little over the top, but pretty entertaining called The Damned by the great Luchino Visconti, that dramatizes the violent transition.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 27 2023 16:53 utc | 102

“And Russia will not forget the cultural Marxists in the White House, or their lackeys.”
Posted by: Tenet | Sep 27 2023 14:12 utc | 5
I have heard this nonsense that Democrats are socialists and ‘Marxists’. This is simply using words that have achieved a negative connotation to achieve a political effect. The truth is that Democrats have never been socialists, and in fact quite the opposite. Only during the New Deal did Roosevelt employ real socialists to help him save the American economy. After the job was done, Democrats and Republicans reverted to their anti-communist delusions.

Posted by: Tedder | Sep 27 2023 16:54 utc | 103

“And Russia will not forget the cultural Marxists in the White House, or their lackeys.”
Posted by: Tenet | Sep 27 2023 14:12 utc | 5
I have heard this nonsense that Democrats are socialists and ‘Marxists’. This is simply using words that have achieved a negative connotation to achieve a political effect. The truth is that Democrats have never been socialists, and in fact quite the opposite. Only during the New Deal did Roosevelt employ real socialists to help him save the American economy. After the job was done, Democrats and Republicans reverted to their anti-communist delusions.

Posted by: Tedder | Sep 27 2023 16:54 utc | 104

There is one “X-factor” in the Ukraine War: if China were to get a new leader who, unlike Xi Jinping, isn’t as favorable towards Putin, and more willing to play ball with Nato, including economic sanctions.
That would turn the entire scenario on its head, Russia wouldn’t be able to sustain its economy in the medium-/long-term and stand no chance. Much of Russia’s current resilience, hinges on Putin’s personal relationship with Xi, and their shared antipathy towards the U.S.
I believe this may be an important factor why U.S. is now pursuing a tougher stance on China, and the “decline of Chinese growth”-narrative in Western media (even though their GDP-growth is still a staggering +4.5% YoY).
Simply put: the last hope of winning the Ukraine War for the U.S., would be to replace Xi Jinping in the near future.

Posted by: formica | Sep 27 2023 17:02 utc | 105

There is one “X-factor” in the Ukraine War: if China were to get a new leader who, unlike Xi Jinping, isn’t as favorable towards Putin, and more willing to play ball with Nato, including economic sanctions.
That would turn the entire scenario on its head, Russia wouldn’t be able to sustain its economy in the medium-/long-term and stand no chance. Much of Russia’s current resilience, hinges on Putin’s personal relationship with Xi, and their shared antipathy towards the U.S.
I believe this may be an important factor why U.S. is now pursuing a tougher stance on China, and the “decline of Chinese growth”-narrative in Western media (even though their GDP-growth is still a staggering +4.5% YoY).
Simply put: the last hope of winning the Ukraine War for the U.S., would be to replace Xi Jinping in the near future.

Posted by: formica | Sep 27 2023 17:02 utc | 106

[…]
Would actual defeat on the battleground meaningfully defeat the political outcomes desired by Ukraine and the west? Not sure. It depends likely on the scale of the defeat and the power and uniformity of the messaging.
Posted by: Caliman | Sep 27 2023 16:50 utc | 50
Even though liberals achieve unmatched mastery in denial of reality, at some point the material outcome of ‘the continuation of political intercourse with the addition of other means.’ will impact ‘the political outcomes desired by Ukraine and the west’.
Unless the goal is making Ukraina vanish from future maps and turning the west into something like Mad Max with shitty weather.

Posted by: kespr | Sep 27 2023 17:04 utc | 107

[…]
Would actual defeat on the battleground meaningfully defeat the political outcomes desired by Ukraine and the west? Not sure. It depends likely on the scale of the defeat and the power and uniformity of the messaging.
Posted by: Caliman | Sep 27 2023 16:50 utc | 50
Even though liberals achieve unmatched mastery in denial of reality, at some point the material outcome of ‘the continuation of political intercourse with the addition of other means.’ will impact ‘the political outcomes desired by Ukraine and the west’.
Unless the goal is making Ukraina vanish from future maps and turning the west into something like Mad Max with shitty weather.

Posted by: kespr | Sep 27 2023 17:04 utc | 108

Tass reporting massive surrenders of Ukr soldiers.
Posted by: jared | Sep 27 2023 16:31 utc | 45

Any further details ? If this is true, then perhaps the oft predicted collapse of NATO’s military in The Ukraine might be close at hand.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 27 2023 17:05 utc | 109

Tass reporting massive surrenders of Ukr soldiers.
Posted by: jared | Sep 27 2023 16:31 utc | 45

Any further details ? If this is true, then perhaps the oft predicted collapse of NATO’s military in The Ukraine might be close at hand.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 27 2023 17:05 utc | 110

Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 9
Glad to see you and Lev nipping these two jackasses in the bud. They never tire of casting imperialist mass murderers and handmaidens of the Capitalist oligarchs as Socialists, Marxists, revolutionaries.
Most of the guys who push this obvious lie don’t have a pot to piss in and are wage slaves themselves. False class consciousness is a tragic thing to behold.
On a lighter note: B has every right to be proud. Creating an oasis of truth, sanity and freedom amidst an unprecedented onslaught of propaganda, lies, and repression in the belly of the Imperialist beast is no small feat.
To see those foul war propagandists come crawling back to the truth a year later: priceless!
Best barkeep in the west!!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 27 2023 17:06 utc | 111

Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 9
Glad to see you and Lev nipping these two jackasses in the bud. They never tire of casting imperialist mass murderers and handmaidens of the Capitalist oligarchs as Socialists, Marxists, revolutionaries.
Most of the guys who push this obvious lie don’t have a pot to piss in and are wage slaves themselves. False class consciousness is a tragic thing to behold.
On a lighter note: B has every right to be proud. Creating an oasis of truth, sanity and freedom amidst an unprecedented onslaught of propaganda, lies, and repression in the belly of the Imperialist beast is no small feat.
To see those foul war propagandists come crawling back to the truth a year later: priceless!
Best barkeep in the west!!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 27 2023 17:06 utc | 112

Same picture around Andrivka. Ukraine is losing its armored fist faster than the West can replace it with outdated stuff.
Posted by: b | Sep 27 2023 14:40 utc | 15
Maybe Rooskie reservists can lend them some shovels?

Posted by: Sudsie76 | Sep 27 2023 17:12 utc | 113

Same picture around Andrivka. Ukraine is losing its armored fist faster than the West can replace it with outdated stuff.
Posted by: b | Sep 27 2023 14:40 utc | 15
Maybe Rooskie reservists can lend them some shovels?

Posted by: Sudsie76 | Sep 27 2023 17:12 utc | 114

” insensitivity of Ukrainians to their own losses.”
Posted by: aquadraht | Sep 27 2023 16:36 utc | 47
Many compare this waste of humanity to WW1. I would add this is the Kitchener / Pétain model of war of attrition.
Thankfully some younger and more forward thinking men brought forward a new strategy that wasn’t based on the above.
Canada’s General Arthur Curry, a citizen soldier with a bit of a troubled past :), and his fairly young Australian counterpart (a Jewish fellow btw), designed the first combined arms maneuver strategy which was subsequently deployed with great success. That is use of Armor, Artillery, Infantry and Aircraft. Those two men changed the methods of waging war and the outcome of WW1.
The first use of the term Storm troopers was by German soldiers in reference to the to the Canadians who had gained a reputation for being highly efficient and able to strike quickly with significant result. High command came to use them as the tip of the spear, and the German Soldiers naturally weren’t anxious to engage them.
Those were the Soldiers under Curry’s command and they respected him because unlike the rest of the high Command, Curry did genuinely care for the Soldiers he was responsible for.
Blitzkrieg evolved from German Military studying combined arms maneuvers developed by Curry and his Australian counterpart.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 17:12 utc | 115

” insensitivity of Ukrainians to their own losses.”
Posted by: aquadraht | Sep 27 2023 16:36 utc | 47
Many compare this waste of humanity to WW1. I would add this is the Kitchener / Pétain model of war of attrition.
Thankfully some younger and more forward thinking men brought forward a new strategy that wasn’t based on the above.
Canada’s General Arthur Curry, a citizen soldier with a bit of a troubled past :), and his fairly young Australian counterpart (a Jewish fellow btw), designed the first combined arms maneuver strategy which was subsequently deployed with great success. That is use of Armor, Artillery, Infantry and Aircraft. Those two men changed the methods of waging war and the outcome of WW1.
The first use of the term Storm troopers was by German soldiers in reference to the to the Canadians who had gained a reputation for being highly efficient and able to strike quickly with significant result. High command came to use them as the tip of the spear, and the German Soldiers naturally weren’t anxious to engage them.
Those were the Soldiers under Curry’s command and they respected him because unlike the rest of the high Command, Curry did genuinely care for the Soldiers he was responsible for.
Blitzkrieg evolved from German Military studying combined arms maneuvers developed by Curry and his Australian counterpart.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 17:12 utc | 116

There is one “X-factor” in the Ukraine War: if China were to get a new leader who, unlike Xi Jinping, isn’t as favorable towards Putin, and more willing to play ball with Nato, including economic sanctions.
[…]
Posted by: formica | Sep 27 2023 17:02 utc | 53
I just found a great example of achieving mastery in denial of reality. I can imagine Ursula von der Lying or Analena Baerbock thinking this to themselves, then waking up. Given, i can imagine them discussing it in actuality.
This is an ‘X-factor’ of the same kind as ‘documentaries’ answering the question’how would the world look if hitler won?’.

Posted by: kspr | Sep 27 2023 17:14 utc | 117

There is one “X-factor” in the Ukraine War: if China were to get a new leader who, unlike Xi Jinping, isn’t as favorable towards Putin, and more willing to play ball with Nato, including economic sanctions.
[…]
Posted by: formica | Sep 27 2023 17:02 utc | 53
I just found a great example of achieving mastery in denial of reality. I can imagine Ursula von der Lying or Analena Baerbock thinking this to themselves, then waking up. Given, i can imagine them discussing it in actuality.
This is an ‘X-factor’ of the same kind as ‘documentaries’ answering the question’how would the world look if hitler won?’.

Posted by: kspr | Sep 27 2023 17:14 utc | 118

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 27 2023 16:50 utc | 50
IMHO, political objectives of ukus have not been reached. Propaganda from UKUS, has been successful till now, but, not having real results is loosing traction.
It’s clear that there is some kind of attempt to change the ‘narrative’.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 27 2023 17:16 utc | 119

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 27 2023 16:50 utc | 50
IMHO, political objectives of ukus have not been reached. Propaganda from UKUS, has been successful till now, but, not having real results is loosing traction.
It’s clear that there is some kind of attempt to change the ‘narrative’.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 27 2023 17:16 utc | 120

Thanks to @bevin, @bubbles and @james for the Canadian perspective. On the other side of the St. Mary’s / Detroit river there was long a similar dynamic with the Polish diaspora being the dominant group of Slavs. There were Ukrainians too but they were always a bit aloof though not confrontational. A lot of the poles were Galacian poles which wouldn’t make the post WWII Ukrainians very welcome.
The Canadian parliament ovation looks to me like Freeland taking the opportunity to bring her particular Ukrainian emigre community out of the quietness bar Canadians describe. And it blew up in their faces. That’s bad for the government that wants to support Ukraine but also potentially bad for the banderite descendants and organizations that may now face more public and political scrutiny. (Depending on Canadian media’s treatment of it.)
I can buy that most people clapping had no idea because N. Americans of the present are ignorant and politicians tend to be the most willfully ignorant. But I don’t see how they found and organized a nearly 100 year old 14 SS vet without Freeland and those connections to Canadian Banderites. It couldn’t have been a mistake, the statement Rota read is evidence of that; it was carefully worded to at least pass the smell test. How Canadians as a whole react to this will be interesting.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 27 2023 17:28 utc | 121

Thanks to @bevin, @bubbles and @james for the Canadian perspective. On the other side of the St. Mary’s / Detroit river there was long a similar dynamic with the Polish diaspora being the dominant group of Slavs. There were Ukrainians too but they were always a bit aloof though not confrontational. A lot of the poles were Galacian poles which wouldn’t make the post WWII Ukrainians very welcome.
The Canadian parliament ovation looks to me like Freeland taking the opportunity to bring her particular Ukrainian emigre community out of the quietness bar Canadians describe. And it blew up in their faces. That’s bad for the government that wants to support Ukraine but also potentially bad for the banderite descendants and organizations that may now face more public and political scrutiny. (Depending on Canadian media’s treatment of it.)
I can buy that most people clapping had no idea because N. Americans of the present are ignorant and politicians tend to be the most willfully ignorant. But I don’t see how they found and organized a nearly 100 year old 14 SS vet without Freeland and those connections to Canadian Banderites. It couldn’t have been a mistake, the statement Rota read is evidence of that; it was carefully worded to at least pass the smell test. How Canadians as a whole react to this will be interesting.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 27 2023 17:28 utc | 122

There is one “X-factor” in the Ukraine War: if China were to get a new leader who, unlike Xi Jinping, isn’t as favorable towards Putin, and more willing to play ball with Nato, including economic sanctions.
Posted by: formica | Sep 27 2023 17:02 utc | 53
Yeah, I remember US imperialism was so enamored with the idea of that x factor, they wouldn’t report China’s bluntly stated support for Russia for nearly the first year of the SMO. They just couldn’t accept that they hadn’t scared China away from Russia. One of many delusions, like the idea that the Ukies had a chance in hell, that is now painfully being broken up by hard reality.
Don’t kid yourself. There’s no x factor. The moment China turns on Russia it is doomed. Were Russia to fall NATO is on China’s border and there’s no “playing ball” with a declining, mad US imperialism. The moment China “plays ball” it will be over run and it’s country will be run by a stooge at the behest of the RC of the US. It will then return to the great humiliation part 2.
China and Russia have sane leadership, so they are acutely aware of this fact, as are the great majority of their citizens.
It’s only in the west that such delusions can be maintained.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 27 2023 17:31 utc | 123

There is one “X-factor” in the Ukraine War: if China were to get a new leader who, unlike Xi Jinping, isn’t as favorable towards Putin, and more willing to play ball with Nato, including economic sanctions.
Posted by: formica | Sep 27 2023 17:02 utc | 53
Yeah, I remember US imperialism was so enamored with the idea of that x factor, they wouldn’t report China’s bluntly stated support for Russia for nearly the first year of the SMO. They just couldn’t accept that they hadn’t scared China away from Russia. One of many delusions, like the idea that the Ukies had a chance in hell, that is now painfully being broken up by hard reality.
Don’t kid yourself. There’s no x factor. The moment China turns on Russia it is doomed. Were Russia to fall NATO is on China’s border and there’s no “playing ball” with a declining, mad US imperialism. The moment China “plays ball” it will be over run and it’s country will be run by a stooge at the behest of the RC of the US. It will then return to the great humiliation part 2.
China and Russia have sane leadership, so they are acutely aware of this fact, as are the great majority of their citizens.
It’s only in the west that such delusions can be maintained.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 27 2023 17:31 utc | 124

🗞 Reports about Storm Shadow missiles heading towards Crimea.

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 27 2023 17:36 utc | 125

🗞 Reports about Storm Shadow missiles heading towards Crimea.

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 27 2023 17:36 utc | 126

Simply put: the last hope of winning the Ukraine War for the U.S., would be to replace Xi Jinping in the near future.
Posted by: formica | Sep 27 2023 17:02 utc | 53
Haven’t you heard? China put the run to Soros long ago. In spite of his effusive praise with comments like China reminded him of the US at the beginning of the 20th century. Then he endeavored to entrench himself over there, took a much younger asian wife, but chose to live in Singapore, not China.
Apparently he underestimated the Chinese. Fool me once…

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 17:36 utc | 127

Simply put: the last hope of winning the Ukraine War for the U.S., would be to replace Xi Jinping in the near future.
Posted by: formica | Sep 27 2023 17:02 utc | 53
Haven’t you heard? China put the run to Soros long ago. In spite of his effusive praise with comments like China reminded him of the US at the beginning of the 20th century. Then he endeavored to entrench himself over there, took a much younger asian wife, but chose to live in Singapore, not China.
Apparently he underestimated the Chinese. Fool me once…

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 17:36 utc | 128

Posted by: Tedder | Sep 27 2023 16:54 utc | 52
Social Marxism refers to something different than what traditional Marxism deals with. Here we speak not of “means of production”, but of moral relativism and social engineering. Are you familiar with the Frankfurt School of Sociology? Well, their “postmodern descendents” (like Jurgen Habermaas and Frances Fukuyama) are even more radical in that matter, which leads us to the “Western world’s” present obsession with promoting different “minority rights” at the expense of basic rights and freedoms and creating a general upside-down picture of how human society functioned for hundreds of years before. Think Hollywood or Netflix today, they’re a textbook example of social marxism…
To fully understand how deep the rabbit hole goes, I highly recommend watching this lengthy lecture by Dr. Stephen Hicks.

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Sep 27 2023 17:44 utc | 129

Posted by: Tedder | Sep 27 2023 16:54 utc | 52
Social Marxism refers to something different than what traditional Marxism deals with. Here we speak not of “means of production”, but of moral relativism and social engineering. Are you familiar with the Frankfurt School of Sociology? Well, their “postmodern descendents” (like Jurgen Habermaas and Frances Fukuyama) are even more radical in that matter, which leads us to the “Western world’s” present obsession with promoting different “minority rights” at the expense of basic rights and freedoms and creating a general upside-down picture of how human society functioned for hundreds of years before. Think Hollywood or Netflix today, they’re a textbook example of social marxism…
To fully understand how deep the rabbit hole goes, I highly recommend watching this lengthy lecture by Dr. Stephen Hicks.

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Sep 27 2023 17:44 utc | 130

Mario #60
“IMHO, political objectives of ukus have not been reached.”
Hmmm, well, these have been acieved already:
Tens of billions for the bosses through the Mil-Ind complex contracts (and hundreds of billions guaranteed to come … all those obsolete weapons need to be replaced by state-of-the-art, as you know);
Nordstream blown up without a peep of protest from Germany … a fantastic outcome for US and a disaster for German industry;
Continued legitimacy of NATO with addition of new members;
The ideal outcome for USUK in re to its political objectives may be a slow boil in eastern Ukraine … a long, draining war that lasts for years. Ukraine may be losing too many men to make that work, but we shall see.

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 27 2023 17:45 utc | 131

Mario #60
“IMHO, political objectives of ukus have not been reached.”
Hmmm, well, these have been acieved already:
Tens of billions for the bosses through the Mil-Ind complex contracts (and hundreds of billions guaranteed to come … all those obsolete weapons need to be replaced by state-of-the-art, as you know);
Nordstream blown up without a peep of protest from Germany … a fantastic outcome for US and a disaster for German industry;
Continued legitimacy of NATO with addition of new members;
The ideal outcome for USUK in re to its political objectives may be a slow boil in eastern Ukraine … a long, draining war that lasts for years. Ukraine may be losing too many men to make that work, but we shall see.

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 27 2023 17:45 utc | 132

It’s generally accepted that the operational concept of Blitzkrieg had its origins with WWI German stormtroopers as well as the somewhat simultaneous theoretical exercises of B. H. Liddell Hart and Guerdian.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 27 2023 17:46 utc | 133

It’s generally accepted that the operational concept of Blitzkrieg had its origins with WWI German stormtroopers as well as the somewhat simultaneous theoretical exercises of B. H. Liddell Hart and Guerdian.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 27 2023 17:46 utc | 134

“…Could someone who got elected to a seat in Canada’s Federal parliament be that lacking in general knowledge?…” bubbles@35
This isn’t ignorance- these idiots are flirting wth fascism, because, at election time, fascists turn out and vote.
The single biggest reason for the current uproar is that Freeland has been getting away with fanatical anti-Russian and anti-communist behaviour for years. It has helped that, as a former ‘journalist’, the media love her and allow her to get away with it, besides which most of them are in her side. It helps too that she has always been sexually attractive and flirtatious.
As the Greyzone piece makes clear she is a lifelong Nazi propagandist, working for a revival of the Reich.
As to the rest of them. Liberals and NDP coalition colleagues alike, they are showing what is meant by the expression “He wouldn’t say Booh to a goose!”
It is not unlike the famous occasion when the Emperor showed off his new clothes- in this case the government has been wearing its SS uniform and goose stepping for months. And boy has Justin enjoyed it: dressing up in clothes and ideas (‘Stand by Ukraine’ fits like a glove) is what he has always done. He is as stupid and vain as his mother was and he bears the impression of the last person to sit on him-which is where Krystia comes in.
One thing we can say about Freeland is that she is unique among her colleagues in actually believing in something. And promoting what she believes in, which is that Grandpa was right (of course) and all the current problems in the world arise from the fact that, instead of listening to him and following his advice, the world disregarded him, discredited him, forced him to run away, treated him as a pariah.
As to the rest of them- MPs and media, the ruling caste in Canada: life is good, soft, comfortable, they are all doing very well, earning great money and they’ve just returned from long vacations by their lake side ‘cottages’.
The only problem in their lives is keeping their noses clean while not missing a single tidbit in the trough. That, obesity and alcoholism. They just don’t have time to bother themselves by looking at the reality of Ukraine- they didn’t invade another country (well, maybe Haiti, Libya and Afghanistan but that was to make sure that girls got a chance to go to school), etc etc.
It used to be thought that of MPs got paid well they would be incorruptible. They would just have to act honestly and act in the best interests of the people. What we have learned is that, if you pay them well, every rat in the cellar will want the job. And they will do anything to get it. And then, when in office, they will want more, and more. And they will act in the best interests not of the amorphous ‘people’ but of the rich, the influential and the richest and most influential power on earth is the US government.
What the world saw in Ottawa on TV was a Parliament full of cowardly timeserving, hypocrites, opportunists, careerists and, at best, people deluding themselves that in order to do some good (a programme of Dental Care for kids and old people, for example) they had to stop kidding themselves that they could stop the armed forces from starting a war with Russia or invading Haiti again or that thet actually have the right, as MPs to stand up in Parliament and bear witness to the truth.
There isn’t one of them capable of that. And it shows.
One more thing: standing right next to the 98 year old Nazi in the Gallery of the House was the Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces. Quel surpris! As they say in Timiskaming.
(bubbles; https://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/hutier.htm)

Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 17:48 utc | 135

“…Could someone who got elected to a seat in Canada’s Federal parliament be that lacking in general knowledge?…” bubbles@35
This isn’t ignorance- these idiots are flirting wth fascism, because, at election time, fascists turn out and vote.
The single biggest reason for the current uproar is that Freeland has been getting away with fanatical anti-Russian and anti-communist behaviour for years. It has helped that, as a former ‘journalist’, the media love her and allow her to get away with it, besides which most of them are in her side. It helps too that she has always been sexually attractive and flirtatious.
As the Greyzone piece makes clear she is a lifelong Nazi propagandist, working for a revival of the Reich.
As to the rest of them. Liberals and NDP coalition colleagues alike, they are showing what is meant by the expression “He wouldn’t say Booh to a goose!”
It is not unlike the famous occasion when the Emperor showed off his new clothes- in this case the government has been wearing its SS uniform and goose stepping for months. And boy has Justin enjoyed it: dressing up in clothes and ideas (‘Stand by Ukraine’ fits like a glove) is what he has always done. He is as stupid and vain as his mother was and he bears the impression of the last person to sit on him-which is where Krystia comes in.
One thing we can say about Freeland is that she is unique among her colleagues in actually believing in something. And promoting what she believes in, which is that Grandpa was right (of course) and all the current problems in the world arise from the fact that, instead of listening to him and following his advice, the world disregarded him, discredited him, forced him to run away, treated him as a pariah.
As to the rest of them- MPs and media, the ruling caste in Canada: life is good, soft, comfortable, they are all doing very well, earning great money and they’ve just returned from long vacations by their lake side ‘cottages’.
The only problem in their lives is keeping their noses clean while not missing a single tidbit in the trough. That, obesity and alcoholism. They just don’t have time to bother themselves by looking at the reality of Ukraine- they didn’t invade another country (well, maybe Haiti, Libya and Afghanistan but that was to make sure that girls got a chance to go to school), etc etc.
It used to be thought that of MPs got paid well they would be incorruptible. They would just have to act honestly and act in the best interests of the people. What we have learned is that, if you pay them well, every rat in the cellar will want the job. And they will do anything to get it. And then, when in office, they will want more, and more. And they will act in the best interests not of the amorphous ‘people’ but of the rich, the influential and the richest and most influential power on earth is the US government.
What the world saw in Ottawa on TV was a Parliament full of cowardly timeserving, hypocrites, opportunists, careerists and, at best, people deluding themselves that in order to do some good (a programme of Dental Care for kids and old people, for example) they had to stop kidding themselves that they could stop the armed forces from starting a war with Russia or invading Haiti again or that thet actually have the right, as MPs to stand up in Parliament and bear witness to the truth.
There isn’t one of them capable of that. And it shows.
One more thing: standing right next to the 98 year old Nazi in the Gallery of the House was the Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces. Quel surpris! As they say in Timiskaming.
(bubbles; https://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/hutier.htm)

Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 17:48 utc | 136

CIROC@25….it was used as bait. The Russian counter strike was already in the air before the attack took place. The Russians baited NATO big time, need more of the same, just a shame one must trade Knights for Rooks and Bishops……5D chess it is.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 27 2023 17:51 utc | 137

CIROC@25….it was used as bait. The Russian counter strike was already in the air before the attack took place. The Russians baited NATO big time, need more of the same, just a shame one must trade Knights for Rooks and Bishops……5D chess it is.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 27 2023 17:51 utc | 138

“I find it rather funny the auto-translate gets Trudeau’s name wrong.”
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 16:28 utc | 44
Me too. It could be Maria’s sense of humor. Olaf Trudeau would have been a hoot.

Posted by: dh | Sep 27 2023 18:03 utc | 139

“I find it rather funny the auto-translate gets Trudeau’s name wrong.”
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 16:28 utc | 44
Me too. It could be Maria’s sense of humor. Olaf Trudeau would have been a hoot.

Posted by: dh | Sep 27 2023 18:03 utc | 140

(Depending on Canadian media’s treatment of it.)
Posted by: Lex | Sep 27 2023 17:28 utc | 61
Canadian media is like American msm, it’s like they get a script before they go on air. Or like a choir all singing the same hymms.
Flipping from one news site to the next @ news hour is almost laughable, because they often lead with the same story and just mix up the rest a bit to give some illusion of a degree of independence.
American msm differs, from the screaming meemees at places like fox to the constant droning on at MSNBC which should be called Democrat Propaganda Central. I go there sometimes to see what that Ari Melber fella has to say. He’s a really smart dude, and well educated. But it’s a bit painful watching him when he’s just doing his duty to push the Dem mantra’s. It’s like his eyes gloss over and he goes into robotic mode. He’s too smart for that crap, but hey I suppose the pay is really good and it’s steady work.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 18:11 utc | 141

(Depending on Canadian media’s treatment of it.)
Posted by: Lex | Sep 27 2023 17:28 utc | 61
Canadian media is like American msm, it’s like they get a script before they go on air. Or like a choir all singing the same hymms.
Flipping from one news site to the next @ news hour is almost laughable, because they often lead with the same story and just mix up the rest a bit to give some illusion of a degree of independence.
American msm differs, from the screaming meemees at places like fox to the constant droning on at MSNBC which should be called Democrat Propaganda Central. I go there sometimes to see what that Ari Melber fella has to say. He’s a really smart dude, and well educated. But it’s a bit painful watching him when he’s just doing his duty to push the Dem mantra’s. It’s like his eyes gloss over and he goes into robotic mode. He’s too smart for that crap, but hey I suppose the pay is really good and it’s steady work.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 18:11 utc | 142

Andrew E. Kramer, the NYT correspondent in Kiev, opens with an anecdote from the first weeks of the war: b
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NYT is the official news outlet for Blinken’s DoS, I may have mentioned this.
DoS would like to get Ukraine off the front page. The rest of the usually docile MSM in the US is not following that lead, AFAIK.
CNN’s poll finding some 70% of the Republicans opposing more funding for Ukraine might be a start or the beginning of the ‘Who Lost Ukraine” narrative.
My money is on the latter. Blinken would like for it not to be. Anyone here familiar with Yaroslov Trofimov, former Bureau Chief in Ukraine for wsj? Yaroslav Trofimov is now the chief foreign-affairs correspondent of The Wall Street Journal.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 27 2023 18:18 utc | 143

Andrew E. Kramer, the NYT correspondent in Kiev, opens with an anecdote from the first weeks of the war: b
——————————————————————————–
NYT is the official news outlet for Blinken’s DoS, I may have mentioned this.
DoS would like to get Ukraine off the front page. The rest of the usually docile MSM in the US is not following that lead, AFAIK.
CNN’s poll finding some 70% of the Republicans opposing more funding for Ukraine might be a start or the beginning of the ‘Who Lost Ukraine” narrative.
My money is on the latter. Blinken would like for it not to be. Anyone here familiar with Yaroslov Trofimov, former Bureau Chief in Ukraine for wsj? Yaroslav Trofimov is now the chief foreign-affairs correspondent of The Wall Street Journal.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 27 2023 18:18 utc | 144

Posted by: formica | Sep 27 2023 17:02 utc | 53
If tomorrow Putin or Xi Jinping, Biden or Sunak dies or is killed, nothing changes. They will be replaced with functional analogons.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 27 2023 18:28 utc | 145

Posted by: formica | Sep 27 2023 17:02 utc | 53
If tomorrow Putin or Xi Jinping, Biden or Sunak dies or is killed, nothing changes. They will be replaced with functional analogons.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 27 2023 18:28 utc | 146

Posted by: kspr | Sep 27 2023 15:59 utc | 34
I follow(ed) German, French and British press, and it’s clearly gone downhill faster than I ever imagined.
Tagesschau and Aktuelle Kam… eerrrm, Heute Journal, are so ridiculously biased that I have no other choice than to switch channels. Unless I want to throw my shoes at the TV.
It’s like the Manchester Guardian. Once a really good newspaper compared to their competitors, it’s gone full-on woke ever since the Snowden episode. As if the one of the agencies took complete control over it.
Having also recently followed the “Le Figaro” or the Spanish “El Mundo”, two conservative mainstream news reels are no better. They are like everything that comes from the German “Springer” press, but with an obvious conservative leaning.
And when you read the various comments under some articles of either medium, their lectorate has moved in unison with them.
In general, I am very disappointed – though not surprised – by the state of the European mainstream media. Due to their presence, you cannot really ignore their writiings and pamphlets. But then you do not miss anything if you don’t follow them. It’s all the same crap.
Cheers

Posted by: Verdant | Sep 27 2023 18:33 utc | 147

Posted by: kspr | Sep 27 2023 15:59 utc | 34
I follow(ed) German, French and British press, and it’s clearly gone downhill faster than I ever imagined.
Tagesschau and Aktuelle Kam… eerrrm, Heute Journal, are so ridiculously biased that I have no other choice than to switch channels. Unless I want to throw my shoes at the TV.
It’s like the Manchester Guardian. Once a really good newspaper compared to their competitors, it’s gone full-on woke ever since the Snowden episode. As if the one of the agencies took complete control over it.
Having also recently followed the “Le Figaro” or the Spanish “El Mundo”, two conservative mainstream news reels are no better. They are like everything that comes from the German “Springer” press, but with an obvious conservative leaning.
And when you read the various comments under some articles of either medium, their lectorate has moved in unison with them.
In general, I am very disappointed – though not surprised – by the state of the European mainstream media. Due to their presence, you cannot really ignore their writiings and pamphlets. But then you do not miss anything if you don’t follow them. It’s all the same crap.
Cheers

Posted by: Verdant | Sep 27 2023 18:33 utc | 148

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 27 2023 17:45 utc | 66
Not really. In your post @50 you states different things.
While is true that Germany, and Europe have been weakened, Russia weakening is debatable.
If you think about sanctions they were supposed to wreck Russian economy in weeks or month. This simply didn’t happen.
Regime change, Putin ousting and so on didn’t happen.
Russia isolation didn’t happen, instead global south challenged US and West hegemony more and more.
I don’t think that this was the desired outcome of US.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 27 2023 18:38 utc | 149

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 27 2023 17:45 utc | 66
Not really. In your post @50 you states different things.
While is true that Germany, and Europe have been weakened, Russia weakening is debatable.
If you think about sanctions they were supposed to wreck Russian economy in weeks or month. This simply didn’t happen.
Regime change, Putin ousting and so on didn’t happen.
Russia isolation didn’t happen, instead global south challenged US and West hegemony more and more.
I don’t think that this was the desired outcome of US.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 27 2023 18:38 utc | 150

Couldn’t help noticing someone accused Biden of being a ‘socialist’. lol
Just fell off the turnip truck, did you?

Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 27 2023 18:44 utc | 151

Couldn’t help noticing someone accused Biden of being a ‘socialist’. lol
Just fell off the turnip truck, did you?

Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 27 2023 18:44 utc | 152

Ahenobarbus @56: “False class consciousness is a tragic thing to behold.”
“…the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” – John Steinbeck
The delusion runs deep in America.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 27 2023 18:47 utc | 153

Ahenobarbus @56: “False class consciousness is a tragic thing to behold.”
“…the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” – John Steinbeck
The delusion runs deep in America.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 27 2023 18:47 utc | 154

Regarding the Canadian House of Commons story :
For what it’s worth, I don’t believe the speaker intentionally sought to glorify a Nazi veteran.
However, what I find really sad about this episode is the dismal level of culture in History at such a high level. What strikes me from the speaker’s presentation is that he introduces Hunka as a “WW2 Ukrainian hero who fought against the Russians”.
So this sixty-something, high level politician didn’t have the basic awareness to know who exactly the Russians were fighting in World War Two? This also goes for the trained seals jumping to their feet for the ensuing ovation.

Posted by: robin | Sep 27 2023 18:47 utc | 155

Regarding the Canadian House of Commons story :
For what it’s worth, I don’t believe the speaker intentionally sought to glorify a Nazi veteran.
However, what I find really sad about this episode is the dismal level of culture in History at such a high level. What strikes me from the speaker’s presentation is that he introduces Hunka as a “WW2 Ukrainian hero who fought against the Russians”.
So this sixty-something, high level politician didn’t have the basic awareness to know who exactly the Russians were fighting in World War Two? This also goes for the trained seals jumping to their feet for the ensuing ovation.

Posted by: robin | Sep 27 2023 18:47 utc | 156

@ Bevin
“The single biggest reason for the current uproar is that Freeland has been getting away with fanatical anti-Russian and anti-communist behaviour for years. It has helped that, as a former ‘journalist’, the media love her and allow her to get away with it, besides which most of them are in her side. It helps too that she has always been sexually attractive and flirtatious.”
I think the best description I’ve read of Freeland is “Grandpa Munster in the power red dress”.
I suppose that’s sexist by today’s yardsticks, but ..she can call me anything she likes, I won’t claim to be irreparably damaged emotionally.
Will read the rest of your post now.:)
Back now, and I agree with the essence of what you wrote. It was very discouraging to see those Canadian Military high ups in the Gallery standing up and clapping for the old nazi, and everything he represents. What he represents to our heritage, to our duty to Honour our Veterans of the horrible conflicts of the past. These politicos who go the ritual of ‘representing’ Canadians at the cenotaphs on Nov 11, Remembrance Day each and every year.
It was still called Armistice Day the last time I remember being with my Father while we watched the parade. He couldn’t take part because his wounds were so severe and he wasn’t physically capable. So we sat in the car in silence.
Dad was in charge of squad of artillery spotters whose job was to go into no mans land to relay coordinates. There were 6 of them in a bren gun carrier. 3 were killed instantly when the 88 hit them, 2 spent the rest of their lives in Veterans hospitals. Dad was the only one who lived long enough to have children.
His units face Kurt Meyer’s 12th SS, Hitler Jugend Panzer Grenadier Division. Same outfit who murdered pow’s.
There’s much more to that story, but that’s enough for now.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 18:50 utc | 157

@ Bevin
“The single biggest reason for the current uproar is that Freeland has been getting away with fanatical anti-Russian and anti-communist behaviour for years. It has helped that, as a former ‘journalist’, the media love her and allow her to get away with it, besides which most of them are in her side. It helps too that she has always been sexually attractive and flirtatious.”
I think the best description I’ve read of Freeland is “Grandpa Munster in the power red dress”.
I suppose that’s sexist by today’s yardsticks, but ..she can call me anything she likes, I won’t claim to be irreparably damaged emotionally.
Will read the rest of your post now.:)
Back now, and I agree with the essence of what you wrote. It was very discouraging to see those Canadian Military high ups in the Gallery standing up and clapping for the old nazi, and everything he represents. What he represents to our heritage, to our duty to Honour our Veterans of the horrible conflicts of the past. These politicos who go the ritual of ‘representing’ Canadians at the cenotaphs on Nov 11, Remembrance Day each and every year.
It was still called Armistice Day the last time I remember being with my Father while we watched the parade. He couldn’t take part because his wounds were so severe and he wasn’t physically capable. So we sat in the car in silence.
Dad was in charge of squad of artillery spotters whose job was to go into no mans land to relay coordinates. There were 6 of them in a bren gun carrier. 3 were killed instantly when the 88 hit them, 2 spent the rest of their lives in Veterans hospitals. Dad was the only one who lived long enough to have children.
His units face Kurt Meyer’s 12th SS, Hitler Jugend Panzer Grenadier Division. Same outfit who murdered pow’s.
There’s much more to that story, but that’s enough for now.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 18:50 utc | 158

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXpztMFA6lE
How a climate of lies gets sustained. What he says about the US military is astounding ( about 22 m. in). Incompetence, good men not promoted, following false narratives – and it’s been building up this way for decades.

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 27 2023 18:54 utc | 159

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXpztMFA6lE
How a climate of lies gets sustained. What he says about the US military is astounding ( about 22 m. in). Incompetence, good men not promoted, following false narratives – and it’s been building up this way for decades.

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 27 2023 18:54 utc | 160

formica @53:“There is one “X-factor” in the Ukraine War: if China were to get a new leader who, unlike Xi Jinping, isn’t as favorable towards Putin, and more willing to play ball with Nato, including economic sanctions.”
That’s a funny one! Definite knee-slapper!
Hate to break it to you, but the Chinese are not as stupid as you. The Empire of Delusion (USA) has been trying to impose political dominance on China since longer than you’ve been alive.
Here’s a clue, since you are lacking in them: It would be easier for the US Empire to replace Putin than it would be to replace Xi, and you gotta know America has been working on shoehorning in a replacement for decades. You might be familiar with the name of one of the more recent utter failures by the Empire, Navalny. Check out his latest approval rating, if you have the guts.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 27 2023 18:57 utc | 161

formica @53:“There is one “X-factor” in the Ukraine War: if China were to get a new leader who, unlike Xi Jinping, isn’t as favorable towards Putin, and more willing to play ball with Nato, including economic sanctions.”
That’s a funny one! Definite knee-slapper!
Hate to break it to you, but the Chinese are not as stupid as you. The Empire of Delusion (USA) has been trying to impose political dominance on China since longer than you’ve been alive.
Here’s a clue, since you are lacking in them: It would be easier for the US Empire to replace Putin than it would be to replace Xi, and you gotta know America has been working on shoehorning in a replacement for decades. You might be familiar with the name of one of the more recent utter failures by the Empire, Navalny. Check out his latest approval rating, if you have the guts.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 27 2023 18:57 utc | 162

@ everyone commenting on Canada’s Nazi “problem”
I see this as neither a mistake (didn’t know he was a Nazi) nor an intention (support Nazism) but of hubris and chutzpah because they do not believe that there will be any negative consequences to their actions or they do not care about them because they have all of the “journalists” in their pocket. The only solace that I take in any of this is that I can say to everyone “I told you so. Standing with the Ukraine is the same as standing with Nazism.”
Russia should be Canada’s natural ally (hockey, winters, natural resource extraction, geographic proximity) but alas we Canadians are taught to hate the white niggers (The Saker’s term) because they do not fall in lockstep with the Washington Consensus. I do not support all of United Russia’s policy positions but I wish we had a leader that cared as much about Canadians and Canada as Putin cares about Russians and Russia. Instead we have tweedle-dee, tweedle-dum, and their hanger-ons fighting over pronoun usage instead of policies to ensure everyone has a roof overhead, food in their beliies, and education & health care for our children. The regular season starts in two weeks so I guess we can turn off our brains and watch which Connor will score more points this year. Sieg heil… I mean Oh Canada!

Posted by: HCNorth | Sep 27 2023 19:00 utc | 163

@ everyone commenting on Canada’s Nazi “problem”
I see this as neither a mistake (didn’t know he was a Nazi) nor an intention (support Nazism) but of hubris and chutzpah because they do not believe that there will be any negative consequences to their actions or they do not care about them because they have all of the “journalists” in their pocket. The only solace that I take in any of this is that I can say to everyone “I told you so. Standing with the Ukraine is the same as standing with Nazism.”
Russia should be Canada’s natural ally (hockey, winters, natural resource extraction, geographic proximity) but alas we Canadians are taught to hate the white niggers (The Saker’s term) because they do not fall in lockstep with the Washington Consensus. I do not support all of United Russia’s policy positions but I wish we had a leader that cared as much about Canadians and Canada as Putin cares about Russians and Russia. Instead we have tweedle-dee, tweedle-dum, and their hanger-ons fighting over pronoun usage instead of policies to ensure everyone has a roof overhead, food in their beliies, and education & health care for our children. The regular season starts in two weeks so I guess we can turn off our brains and watch which Connor will score more points this year. Sieg heil… I mean Oh Canada!

Posted by: HCNorth | Sep 27 2023 19:00 utc | 164

(bubbles; https://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/hutier.htm)
Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 17:48 utc | 68
I forgot to mention that link gives me a security warning? Firefox on Linux

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 19:02 utc | 165

(bubbles; https://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/hutier.htm)
Posted by: bevin | Sep 27 2023 17:48 utc | 68
I forgot to mention that link gives me a security warning? Firefox on Linux

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 19:02 utc | 166

@ karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 16:28 utc | 44
thanks for that karl.. not much can be added.. canada is now on full display in all its ignorance and complicity with the usa-uk – nato agenda to take down russia any way it can… it ain’t working for this canuck – in fact, the opposite is the result.. in canada’s love affair with ukraine, we are showing the lack of discrimination that is required in order to continue to do so….
@ bubbles | Sep 27 2023 16:32 utc | 46
i agree that people are generally too distracted to pay much attention to anything, especially if it is some media sound bite.. but this instance gives the lie to our embrace of all things ukrainian… we have an approach base on complete ignorance and it can’t be dismissed or go away easily as i see it.. as for the other examples you’ve cited – i was unaware of ksa part ownership of the wheat board, but it was the poster debsisdead that highlighted an interview with chris hedges and the author of a book – i am forgetting his name and the name of the book! – but bottom line – all the politicians are beholden to the corporations now.. ‘silent coup’ by matt kennard and claire provost.. this is the new reality and it has been this way for some time.. not sure how it changes.. read the link if interested.. thanks..
Chris Hedges on “Silent Coup”: How Capitalism Defeated Decolonization

Posted by: james | Sep 27 2023 19:03 utc | 167

@ karlof1 | Sep 27 2023 16:28 utc | 44
thanks for that karl.. not much can be added.. canada is now on full display in all its ignorance and complicity with the usa-uk – nato agenda to take down russia any way it can… it ain’t working for this canuck – in fact, the opposite is the result.. in canada’s love affair with ukraine, we are showing the lack of discrimination that is required in order to continue to do so….
@ bubbles | Sep 27 2023 16:32 utc | 46
i agree that people are generally too distracted to pay much attention to anything, especially if it is some media sound bite.. but this instance gives the lie to our embrace of all things ukrainian… we have an approach base on complete ignorance and it can’t be dismissed or go away easily as i see it.. as for the other examples you’ve cited – i was unaware of ksa part ownership of the wheat board, but it was the poster debsisdead that highlighted an interview with chris hedges and the author of a book – i am forgetting his name and the name of the book! – but bottom line – all the politicians are beholden to the corporations now.. ‘silent coup’ by matt kennard and claire provost.. this is the new reality and it has been this way for some time.. not sure how it changes.. read the link if interested.. thanks..
Chris Hedges on “Silent Coup”: How Capitalism Defeated Decolonization

Posted by: james | Sep 27 2023 19:03 utc | 168

“…Could someone who got elected to a seat in Canada’s Federal parliament be that lacking in general knowledge?…” bubbles@35
Never attribute to malice that which is explainable by stupidity. Who, climbing the greasy pole, has time to read history?
And as for the entire Canadian Parliament applauding the SS guy, I’m sure there must have been one or two who reasoned “he must have been a partisan who fought the Germans AND Russians, or they wouldn’t be applauding him.”
And who wants to be the one person with folded arms when an anti-Russian hero is in the room?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 27 2023 19:04 utc | 169

“…Could someone who got elected to a seat in Canada’s Federal parliament be that lacking in general knowledge?…” bubbles@35
Never attribute to malice that which is explainable by stupidity. Who, climbing the greasy pole, has time to read history?
And as for the entire Canadian Parliament applauding the SS guy, I’m sure there must have been one or two who reasoned “he must have been a partisan who fought the Germans AND Russians, or they wouldn’t be applauding him.”
And who wants to be the one person with folded arms when an anti-Russian hero is in the room?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 27 2023 19:04 utc | 170

@ Lex | Sep 27 2023 17:28 utc | 61
i agree with you lex… this stinks to high heavens and shows our complete indiscriminate embrace of all things ukrainian… see the max blumenthal article for more on crystia freeland and how she continues to stand, in spite of the optics… my conclusion?? she is getting a lot of protection from much higher up the chain of power in canada, and this includes a free pass by the media… unfortunately canada’s power is not political, but corporate and they have an agenda… revealing the dirt on people like freeland is not a part of the agenda.. it needs to be for canucks, but most take their news in small sound bites that don’t require any real depth of understanding.. essentially people are fed propaganda and they live off of it.. this is why reading links like @ 44 karlof1 shares are so important.. thanks for your comments as always..

Posted by: james | Sep 27 2023 19:09 utc | 171

@ Lex | Sep 27 2023 17:28 utc | 61
i agree with you lex… this stinks to high heavens and shows our complete indiscriminate embrace of all things ukrainian… see the max blumenthal article for more on crystia freeland and how she continues to stand, in spite of the optics… my conclusion?? she is getting a lot of protection from much higher up the chain of power in canada, and this includes a free pass by the media… unfortunately canada’s power is not political, but corporate and they have an agenda… revealing the dirt on people like freeland is not a part of the agenda.. it needs to be for canucks, but most take their news in small sound bites that don’t require any real depth of understanding.. essentially people are fed propaganda and they live off of it.. this is why reading links like @ 44 karlof1 shares are so important.. thanks for your comments as always..

Posted by: james | Sep 27 2023 19:09 utc | 172

@Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Sep 27 2023 17:44 utc | 65
There is no such thing as “social marxism”, taking the class struggle out of Marxism and still calling it Marxism is akin to taking the beef out of a burger and still calling it a burger. The Frankfurt School should correctly be called the Washington DC school as it decamped to the US where it was amply supported by US millionaires and the US state. The main requirement for this was to stop using Marxism and instead create a non-communist critical theory (the correct term for the school, and the French school and the predominant bourgeois critical theory that rules the academy these days). The CIA and other organs of Western states were very active in cultivating this bourgeois critical theory as part of the Cold War. Gabriel Rockhill has documented this process, and is working on a book on the subject.
All of these efforts led to the complete unmooring of critical theory from the materialist base (whether it be class struggle or basic science) leading to the post-modernist brain worms and the whole identitarian “biology doesn’t matter” bullshit. It has been well established that Foucault and other French schoolers regularly visited Morocco to partake of very young boys, and many of the post-modernists signed the 1970s petition arguing for the right of adults to rape children. We have now seen this movement arise again with the “MAP” attempts to rename and legitimize pedophilia, and “trans” attempts to legitimize child abuse and grooming.
Many times when Empires start to crumble the social base of norms, values, institutions etc. also crumbles. What is ridiculously referred to as the “left” in most Western countries is really a bourgeois progressivism which has little or no problem with neoliberalism, as with AOC in the US, the NDP in Canada, new Labour in the UK (Corbyn was a real leftist hence the resources utilized to crush him). We also of course have the pathetic Trotskyists who are always too “pure” to accept that China, Russia and Iran (or for that matter Nicaragua) could be truly anti-imperialist forces. There are so many “left” publications which do good reporting, but I have to wade through so much identitarian crap (many times written by very obvious activists rather than actual journalists), biology-denial, and “Russia bad” bullshit it many times isn’t worth the effort (Novara media in the UK and the Tyee in Canada are very good examples, although the latter is less annoying than the former).
This is all just an elite supported game at divide and conquer, making one part of the plebs foam at the mouth against another rather than at the elites, The problem for the elites is that this is now undermining the social base upon which their power is based while Russia, China and Iran etc. are maintaining and developing further that social base.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 27 2023 19:09 utc | 173

@Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Sep 27 2023 17:44 utc | 65
There is no such thing as “social marxism”, taking the class struggle out of Marxism and still calling it Marxism is akin to taking the beef out of a burger and still calling it a burger. The Frankfurt School should correctly be called the Washington DC school as it decamped to the US where it was amply supported by US millionaires and the US state. The main requirement for this was to stop using Marxism and instead create a non-communist critical theory (the correct term for the school, and the French school and the predominant bourgeois critical theory that rules the academy these days). The CIA and other organs of Western states were very active in cultivating this bourgeois critical theory as part of the Cold War. Gabriel Rockhill has documented this process, and is working on a book on the subject.
All of these efforts led to the complete unmooring of critical theory from the materialist base (whether it be class struggle or basic science) leading to the post-modernist brain worms and the whole identitarian “biology doesn’t matter” bullshit. It has been well established that Foucault and other French schoolers regularly visited Morocco to partake of very young boys, and many of the post-modernists signed the 1970s petition arguing for the right of adults to rape children. We have now seen this movement arise again with the “MAP” attempts to rename and legitimize pedophilia, and “trans” attempts to legitimize child abuse and grooming.
Many times when Empires start to crumble the social base of norms, values, institutions etc. also crumbles. What is ridiculously referred to as the “left” in most Western countries is really a bourgeois progressivism which has little or no problem with neoliberalism, as with AOC in the US, the NDP in Canada, new Labour in the UK (Corbyn was a real leftist hence the resources utilized to crush him). We also of course have the pathetic Trotskyists who are always too “pure” to accept that China, Russia and Iran (or for that matter Nicaragua) could be truly anti-imperialist forces. There are so many “left” publications which do good reporting, but I have to wade through so much identitarian crap (many times written by very obvious activists rather than actual journalists), biology-denial, and “Russia bad” bullshit it many times isn’t worth the effort (Novara media in the UK and the Tyee in Canada are very good examples, although the latter is less annoying than the former).
This is all just an elite supported game at divide and conquer, making one part of the plebs foam at the mouth against another rather than at the elites, The problem for the elites is that this is now undermining the social base upon which their power is based while Russia, China and Iran etc. are maintaining and developing further that social base.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 27 2023 19:09 utc | 174

Anything Stephen Hicks says about “social Marxism” (really “Cultural Marxism” is the term of choice among “conservatives” these days) is highly suspect as is his scholarship on the matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHtvTGaPzF4

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 27 2023 19:12 utc | 175

Anything Stephen Hicks says about “social Marxism” (really “Cultural Marxism” is the term of choice among “conservatives” these days) is highly suspect as is his scholarship on the matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHtvTGaPzF4

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 27 2023 19:12 utc | 176

@ Gerry | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 8
Nazism is a *right-wing* authoritarian ideology. They stuck ‘socialism’ into their name for PR reasons, sort of the same way North Korea has ‘democratic’ in its official name.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 27 2023 19:17 utc | 177

@ Gerry | Sep 27 2023 14:23 utc | 8
Nazism is a *right-wing* authoritarian ideology. They stuck ‘socialism’ into their name for PR reasons, sort of the same way North Korea has ‘democratic’ in its official name.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 27 2023 19:17 utc | 178

The appearance of the Waffen SS soldier, Yaroslav Hunka, seems to have been planned. The Gateway Pundit (Larry Johnson) wrote that Ukraine issued on Monday a postage stamp with Hunka’s likeness and Heroes Never Die. Considering his appearance in Parliament was on Friday and the stamp was issued Monday, this seems to me to have been planned by Zelensky or his administration as an affirmation of Ukraine’s neo-Nazi militias.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/did-zelensky-scam-trudeau-elderly-nazi/

Posted by: Belle | Sep 27 2023 19:19 utc | 179

The appearance of the Waffen SS soldier, Yaroslav Hunka, seems to have been planned. The Gateway Pundit (Larry Johnson) wrote that Ukraine issued on Monday a postage stamp with Hunka’s likeness and Heroes Never Die. Considering his appearance in Parliament was on Friday and the stamp was issued Monday, this seems to me to have been planned by Zelensky or his administration as an affirmation of Ukraine’s neo-Nazi militias.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/did-zelensky-scam-trudeau-elderly-nazi/

Posted by: Belle | Sep 27 2023 19:19 utc | 180

formica @53:”There is one “X-factor” in the Ukraine War: if China were to get a new leader who, unlike Xi Jinping, isn’t as favorable towards Putin, and more willing to play ball with Nato, including economic sanctions.”
China is still in full remembrance of their century of humiliation by the West and would never ally with them politically, only economically.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 27 2023 19:20 utc | 181

formica @53:”There is one “X-factor” in the Ukraine War: if China were to get a new leader who, unlike Xi Jinping, isn’t as favorable towards Putin, and more willing to play ball with Nato, including economic sanctions.”
China is still in full remembrance of their century of humiliation by the West and would never ally with them politically, only economically.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 27 2023 19:20 utc | 182

Mario #75
Whether or not Russia has been weakened in a substantial way thus far is indeed debatable. It’s never great to lose market share and influence and diversion of substantial resources to the military strengthens the forces but hollows out the nation in the long run. But on the other hand, there have definitely been positive moves on China and the BRICS and others …
But the response to b was more in re to the utility of the propaganda lies about how the war is going as a tool to achieve political ends even when actually losing on the field. My point is that, while I agree that the happy talk will of course collapse in the face of unhidable losses in the field, until that point, the propaganda will likely continue to have positive outcomes for the USUK and for the guys getting western $$ in Kiev. So one can’t deny it’s working.

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 27 2023 19:23 utc | 183

Mario #75
Whether or not Russia has been weakened in a substantial way thus far is indeed debatable. It’s never great to lose market share and influence and diversion of substantial resources to the military strengthens the forces but hollows out the nation in the long run. But on the other hand, there have definitely been positive moves on China and the BRICS and others …
But the response to b was more in re to the utility of the propaganda lies about how the war is going as a tool to achieve political ends even when actually losing on the field. My point is that, while I agree that the happy talk will of course collapse in the face of unhidable losses in the field, until that point, the propaganda will likely continue to have positive outcomes for the USUK and for the guys getting western $$ in Kiev. So one can’t deny it’s working.

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 27 2023 19:23 utc | 184

About Rota, after resigning: “He expressed his “profound regret for my error” and the pain he caused to Jewish communities in Canada and around the world.”
Very interesting, isn’t it? Non jewish people obviously do not count. The pain caused to those non jewish is not important and regrets are not necessary.
What a disgusting character!

Posted by: Patience | Sep 27 2023 19:25 utc | 185

About Rota, after resigning: “He expressed his “profound regret for my error” and the pain he caused to Jewish communities in Canada and around the world.”
Very interesting, isn’t it? Non jewish people obviously do not count. The pain caused to those non jewish is not important and regrets are not necessary.
What a disgusting character!

Posted by: Patience | Sep 27 2023 19:25 utc | 186

The pen is not really mightier than the sword. Uki hot air is not Uki victory.

Posted by: lester | Sep 27 2023 19:28 utc | 187

The pen is not really mightier than the sword. Uki hot air is not Uki victory.

Posted by: lester | Sep 27 2023 19:28 utc | 188

CIROC@25….it was used as bait. The Russian counter strike was already in the air before the attack took place. The Russians baited NATO big time, need more of the same, just a shame one must trade Knights for Rooks and Bishops……5D chess it is.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 27 2023 17:51 utc | 69
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If he didn’t read it from State Department bots on Twitter, how could he possibly know that? 😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 27 2023 19:28 utc | 189

CIROC@25….it was used as bait. The Russian counter strike was already in the air before the attack took place. The Russians baited NATO big time, need more of the same, just a shame one must trade Knights for Rooks and Bishops……5D chess it is.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 27 2023 17:51 utc | 69
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If he didn’t read it from State Department bots on Twitter, how could he possibly know that? 😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 27 2023 19:28 utc | 190

And who wants to be the one person with folded arms when an anti-Russian hero is in the room?
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 27 2023 19:04 utc | 85
A coward.
That said, your post was most eloquent and appreciated.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 19:28 utc | 191

And who wants to be the one person with folded arms when an anti-Russian hero is in the room?
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 27 2023 19:04 utc | 85
A coward.
That said, your post was most eloquent and appreciated.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 19:28 utc | 192

Lastly, I’ve pondered the motivations of Speaker Rota and think his actions were either a gigantic blunder by someone who didn’t even know how to use a search engine or a complete success delivered by stealth. If it were a blunder he would have had to be unaware of what Ukrainian military veterans who fought the Russians were all about. Is that possible? Could someone who got elected to a seat in Canada’s Federal parliament be that lacking in general knowledge? Wondering if there’s more here, did he want to make a statement? If so, mission accomplished.
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 15:59 utc | 35
Reading what you wrote makes my blood boil. You think “Ukrainian military veterans” fought the RUSSIANS ?????? You’re as ignorant as Rota who said the same thing about Hunka. I won’t waist too much of my time trying to explain history but I suggest you check who exactly was in the Soviet Army. The answer is not Russians. Hunka and his war buddies did not exclusively fight the Russians as is being spread left and right in the media when covering this event. That is historical distortion which has consequences, as we see today in Ukraine.
Rota didn’t make a mistake. He simply got sucked into a subterfuge contrived by someone that wanted to give Canada a kiss in the a$$ and send a message that they have things in control. Canada has security services that are able to throw a name into their system and instantly see a short bio of some. Well Hunka’s bio would have clearly has the letters “SS”. They didn’t pass this to Poilievre and Trudeau ? But I bet Freeland knew what sort of veteran Hunka was as she’s from the same swamp.
So who is able to organize this huge slap in the face of the Canadians and get away with it ????

Posted by: Tom_12 | Sep 27 2023 19:31 utc | 193

Lastly, I’ve pondered the motivations of Speaker Rota and think his actions were either a gigantic blunder by someone who didn’t even know how to use a search engine or a complete success delivered by stealth. If it were a blunder he would have had to be unaware of what Ukrainian military veterans who fought the Russians were all about. Is that possible? Could someone who got elected to a seat in Canada’s Federal parliament be that lacking in general knowledge? Wondering if there’s more here, did he want to make a statement? If so, mission accomplished.
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 15:59 utc | 35
Reading what you wrote makes my blood boil. You think “Ukrainian military veterans” fought the RUSSIANS ?????? You’re as ignorant as Rota who said the same thing about Hunka. I won’t waist too much of my time trying to explain history but I suggest you check who exactly was in the Soviet Army. The answer is not Russians. Hunka and his war buddies did not exclusively fight the Russians as is being spread left and right in the media when covering this event. That is historical distortion which has consequences, as we see today in Ukraine.
Rota didn’t make a mistake. He simply got sucked into a subterfuge contrived by someone that wanted to give Canada a kiss in the a$$ and send a message that they have things in control. Canada has security services that are able to throw a name into their system and instantly see a short bio of some. Well Hunka’s bio would have clearly has the letters “SS”. They didn’t pass this to Poilievre and Trudeau ? But I bet Freeland knew what sort of veteran Hunka was as she’s from the same swamp.
So who is able to organize this huge slap in the face of the Canadians and get away with it ????

Posted by: Tom_12 | Sep 27 2023 19:31 utc | 194

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 27 2023 19:17 utc | 89
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All substantial political movements pass through a fascist phase.
Power doesn’t care about morality, history, consequences, or feelings.
Right and Left are empty labels.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 27 2023 19:41 utc | 195

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 27 2023 19:17 utc | 89
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All substantial political movements pass through a fascist phase.
Power doesn’t care about morality, history, consequences, or feelings.
Right and Left are empty labels.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 27 2023 19:41 utc | 196

Posted by: Tom_12 | Sep 27 2023 19:31 utc | 97
Sober up then get back to me.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 19:43 utc | 197

Posted by: Tom_12 | Sep 27 2023 19:31 utc | 97
Sober up then get back to me.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 27 2023 19:43 utc | 198

as reported from b, acc.to newest US/UKR official staements being ‘heard’ in MSM:

“Under these conditions, we continue to increase the combat power of the Armed Forces [UKR], including through the supply of modern weapons and improving the training of troops, taking into account the experience of a “Special military operation” [!]. Consistent implementation of the activities of the Action Plan “until 2025″ [!] will allow us to achieve our goals.”

Also cited by an official RU-side statement (as of RF Ms. Foreign spokeswoman on a press) :

“I would like to note that flirting with the Nazis and Ottawa’s systematic hostile attacks will not remain without consequences. The matter will not be limited to protests, but will inevitably affect Russian-Canadian relations, which are in the deepest crisis because of Ottawa’s position.” …
We consider Canada as an extremely unfriendly state, whose authorities have stained themselves with complicity with Nazism, betraying their own history, and we will build our policy accordingly.

Remark:
The here above mentioned current Canadian vs. India or anyway elsewhere MSM-hyped NAZI “discussions” in or related to Canada, even on a newly upcoming upon so-called “morale basis” claims has nothing to do with the current ongoing “war” in Ukrania, losing a lot of some 100’rds of soldier comrades each day on either side !
Nuland/Hillary/Blinken/Stoltenberg etc. : Go also to THIS HELL !
Some well-equipped snipers are still awaiting “You”.

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 27 2023 19:43 utc | 199

as reported from b, acc.to newest US/UKR official staements being ‘heard’ in MSM:

“Under these conditions, we continue to increase the combat power of the Armed Forces [UKR], including through the supply of modern weapons and improving the training of troops, taking into account the experience of a “Special military operation” [!]. Consistent implementation of the activities of the Action Plan “until 2025″ [!] will allow us to achieve our goals.”

Also cited by an official RU-side statement (as of RF Ms. Foreign spokeswoman on a press) :

“I would like to note that flirting with the Nazis and Ottawa’s systematic hostile attacks will not remain without consequences. The matter will not be limited to protests, but will inevitably affect Russian-Canadian relations, which are in the deepest crisis because of Ottawa’s position.” …
We consider Canada as an extremely unfriendly state, whose authorities have stained themselves with complicity with Nazism, betraying their own history, and we will build our policy accordingly.

Remark:
The here above mentioned current Canadian vs. India or anyway elsewhere MSM-hyped NAZI “discussions” in or related to Canada, even on a newly upcoming upon so-called “morale basis” claims has nothing to do with the current ongoing “war” in Ukrania, losing a lot of some 100’rds of soldier comrades each day on either side !
Nuland/Hillary/Blinken/Stoltenberg etc. : Go also to THIS HELL !
Some well-equipped snipers are still awaiting “You”.

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 27 2023 19:43 utc | 200

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