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September 21, 2023
How Will The Biden Administration Cope With Its Loss In Ukraine?

While this piece will touch on the war in Ukraine it is more about the U.S., and the Biden administration, and how they will cope with their  defeat in their war on Russia. Please keep that in mind when commentating.

Washington's moment of recognizing the defeat in Ukraine, and its consequences, has yet to arrive.

In his latest piece (archived) Seymour Hersh reports on the state of the war and of significant differences of opinion between the U.S. intelligence services:

There are significant elements in the American intelligence community, relying on field reports and technical intelligence, who believe that the demoralized Ukraine army has given up on the possibility of overcoming the heavily mined three-tier Russian defense lines and taking the war to Crimea and the four oblasts seized and annexed by Russia. The reality is that Volodymyr Zelensky’s battered army no longer has any chance of a victory.

The war continues, I have been told by an official with access to current intelligence, because Zelensky insists that it must. There is no discussion in his headquarters or in the Biden White House of a ceasefire and no interest in talks that could lead to an end to the slaughter. “It’s all lies,” the official said, speaking of the Ukrainian claims of incremental progress in the offensive that has suffered staggering losses, while gaining ground in a few scattered areas that the Ukrainian military measures in meters per week.

The American intelligence official I spoke with spent the early years of his career working against Soviet aggression and spying has respect for Putin’s intellect but contempt for his decision to go to war with Ukraine and to initiate the death and destruction that war brings. But, as he told me, “The war is over. Russia has won. There is no Ukrainian offensive anymore, but the White House and the American media have to keep the lie going.

“The truth is if the Ukrainian army is ordered to continue the offensive, the army would mutiny. The soldiers aren’t willing to die any more, but this doesn’t fit the B.S. that is being authored by the Biden White House.”

The differences between the current CIA and the more neoconned Defense Intelligence Agency extend to their view on China:

A byproduct of the Biden administration’s neocon hostility to Russia and China—exemplified by the remarks of Secretary of State Tony Blinken, who has repeatedly stated that he will not currently countenance a ceasefire in Ukraine—has been a significant split in the intelligence community. One casualty are the secret National Intelligence Estimates that have delineated the parameters of American foreign policy for decades. Some key offices in the CIA have refused, in many cases, to participate in the NIE process because of profound political disagreement with the administration’s aggressive foreign policy. One recent failure involved a planned NIE that dealt with the outcome of a Chinese attack on Taiwan.

I have reported for many weeks on the longstanding disagreement between the CIA and other elements of the intelligence community on the prognosis of the current war in the Ukraine. CIA analysts have consistently been far more skeptical than their counterparts at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) on the prospect for a Ukraine success. The American media has ignored the dispute, but the London-headquartered Economist, whose well-informed reporters do not get bylines, has not.

The DIA is still saying that the Ukrainian army has a chance, a small one though, to break through the Russian lines. The White House still seems to believe in that. The CIA knows that the Ukraine is done.

Alastair Crooke, in a talk (vid) with Judge Napolitano, says that the moment of truth will only arrive in November.

But what will happen when everyone recognizes and acknowledges, if silently, that the war on Russia has failed?

Michael Brenner argues that the US Can’t Deal With Defeat:

Ukraine, today, has suffered huge losses of even greater (proportional) magnitude [than the German Wehrmacht in the Battle of Kursk], without achieving any significant territorial gains, unable even to reach the first layer of the Surovikin Line. That will clear the road to the Dnieper and beyond for the 600,000 strong Russian army equipped with weaponry the equal of what the West has given Ukraine. Hence, Moscow is poised to exploit its decisive advantage to the point where it can dictate terms to Kiev, Washington, Brussels et al.

The Biden administration has made no plans for such an eventuality, nor have its obedient European governments. Their divorce from reality will make this state of affairs all the more stunning — and galling. Bereft of ideas, they will flounder. How they will react is unknowable. We can say with certainty one thing: the collective West, and especially the U.S., will have suffered a grave defeat. Coping with that truth will become the main order of business.

Here is a menu of options for handling it:

Redefine what is meant by defeat, victory, failure, success, loss, gain. There is a new narrative that is scripted to stress these talking points: …

This narrative already has been given an airing in speeches by U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Acting Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. Its target audience is the American public; nobody outside the Collective West buys it, though — whether Washington has registered that fact of diplomatic life or not.

Retroactively Scale Back the Goals & Stakes

Cultivate Amnesia

Next: China

It is likely that the administration will use all four options to make the pain and memory of defeat go away. Declare victory over Russia  because Russia was stopped at the border with Poland. Then forget about all the details and consequences and move towards war on China.

That could end catastrophically.

The focal shift from Russia in Europe to China in Asia is less a mechanism for coping with defeat than the pathological reaction of a country that, feeling a gnawing sense of diminishing prowess, can manage to do nothing more than try one final fling at proving to itself that it still has the right stuff — since living without that exalted sense of self is intolerable.

The U.S. was fortunate, in the case of Vietnam, that the United States’ dominant position in the world outside of the Soviet Bloc and the PRC allowed it to maintain respect, status and influence.

Things have now changed, though. The U.S. relative strength in all domains is weaker, strong centrifugal forces around the globe are producing a dispersion of power, will and outlook among other states. The BRICs phenomenon is the concrete embodiment of that reality.

Hence, the prerogatives of the United States are narrowing, its ability to shape the global system in conformity with its ideas and interests are under mounting challenge, and premiums are being placed on diplomacy of an order that seems beyond its present aptitudes.

The U.S. is confounded.

Major offices in the CIA, according to Hersh, have recognized the danger of such plans. It may well be the reason why the CIA's informal spokesmen, David Ignatius, and others wrote that Biden should step down.

If he doesn't the neoconservatives around him will have a great incentive to move on China as fast as possible. As Biden will have difficulties in winning next year's election he needs some objective that can unify the country. A war that he can claim the U.S. will win is one. Some hostile naval exchanges with China will follow.

(Please don't use the comments of this thread for details from the war in Ukraine. The current thread for such is here.)

Comments

Directly answering b’s question: I see us moving into full war, between the US and Russia.
This terrifies me, but I have no capability to alter the course of events.
Perhaps if this were a Leftist council that worked on behalf of “ordinary people”, but no: we are not.
We’re an online forum that nobody in power gives the least attention to.
So I fully worry Dementia Joe and his female handlers will give in to the Nazi-and-Trotskyite-affiliated advisors and double-down, even to the point of nuclear exchange.
According to the WEF (which is a pale shadow of Bilderberg), depopulation is the goal, and according to those elites, an honorable monument to achieve.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 22 2023 5:30 utc | 401

Directly answering b’s question: I see us moving into full war, between the US and Russia.
This terrifies me, but I have no capability to alter the course of events.
Perhaps if this were a Leftist council that worked on behalf of “ordinary people”, but no: we are not.
We’re an online forum that nobody in power gives the least attention to.
So I fully worry Dementia Joe and his female handlers will give in to the Nazi-and-Trotskyite-affiliated advisors and double-down, even to the point of nuclear exchange.
According to the WEF (which is a pale shadow of Bilderberg), depopulation is the goal, and according to those elites, an honorable monument to achieve.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 22 2023 5:30 utc | 402

@earl | Sep 21 2023 19:01 utc | 47

Ukraine loss will be acknowledged when Biden (or whoever) fires Nuland.

A major reason for the US-led war in Ukraine is to cover up for Biden and his sons corruption. To acknowledge the Ukraine war is lost, two things must happen: The Zelensky regime must collapse on its own or be overthrown, and the Biden regime must fall.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 22 2023 5:41 utc | 403

@earl | Sep 21 2023 19:01 utc | 47

Ukraine loss will be acknowledged when Biden (or whoever) fires Nuland.

A major reason for the US-led war in Ukraine is to cover up for Biden and his sons corruption. To acknowledge the Ukraine war is lost, two things must happen: The Zelensky regime must collapse on its own or be overthrown, and the Biden regime must fall.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 22 2023 5:41 utc | 404

@Petri Krohn | Sep 21 2023 19:26 utc | 60

It now seems clear to me that the sanctions against “Russia” are a tool of the Biden Family to hide their corruption and crimes.

Yes, this is key. “Russiagate” during the Trump presidency, the sanctions on Russia and the proxy war on Russia in Ukraine are all largely driven by this.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 22 2023 5:50 utc | 405

@Petri Krohn | Sep 21 2023 19:26 utc | 60

It now seems clear to me that the sanctions against “Russia” are a tool of the Biden Family to hide their corruption and crimes.

Yes, this is key. “Russiagate” during the Trump presidency, the sanctions on Russia and the proxy war on Russia in Ukraine are all largely driven by this.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 22 2023 5:50 utc | 406

@Trubind1 | Sep 21 2023 19:31 utc | 65

Feels like 30 years ago I was orphaned and then catapulted into a degenerate dysfunctional family system full of drama, pretense & violence with no way out.

This I can identify with, thanks for explaining that.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 22 2023 5:57 utc | 407

@Trubind1 | Sep 21 2023 19:31 utc | 65

Feels like 30 years ago I was orphaned and then catapulted into a degenerate dysfunctional family system full of drama, pretense & violence with no way out.

This I can identify with, thanks for explaining that.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 22 2023 5:57 utc | 408

@SergeT | Sep 21 2023 19:33 utc | 66

The dim reality is that the US has been exporting troubles to their allies. And that is how empires fall – they no longer generate value but problems.

The US has no allies, only client states and vassals. And indeed the US is treating them as such. What is new is that this is now clear for all to see, even if it has been true for many years. The sabotage of NS2 was an act of war against “allies” in Europe, which means the Empire has for all practical purposes already disintegrated. What remains is to wrap up the garbage and throw it in the bin.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 22 2023 6:03 utc | 409

@SergeT | Sep 21 2023 19:33 utc | 66

The dim reality is that the US has been exporting troubles to their allies. And that is how empires fall – they no longer generate value but problems.

The US has no allies, only client states and vassals. And indeed the US is treating them as such. What is new is that this is now clear for all to see, even if it has been true for many years. The sabotage of NS2 was an act of war against “allies” in Europe, which means the Empire has for all practical purposes already disintegrated. What remains is to wrap up the garbage and throw it in the bin.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 22 2023 6:03 utc | 410

@earl | Sep 21 2023 19:01 utc | 47
Ukraine loss will be acknowledged when Biden (or whoever) fires Nuland.
A major reason for the US-led war in Ukraine is to cover up for Biden and his sons corruption. To acknowledge the Ukraine war is lost, two things must happen: The Zelensky regime must collapse on its own or be overthrown, and the Biden regime must fall.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 22 2023 5:41 utc | 203

Hear, here!
And to add my two cents, I’ll say that at times I root for Biden to just hang in there, and not let himself be forced out. Because I suspect he’s been tasked for the post mortem job of being the sin eater for all the woes of his administration, from the massive increase in the national debt, the resulting inflation, the depletion of the strategic petroleum reserve, the broken southern border, and the freaking out of Democratic Mayors and Governors, the debacle of the withdrawal from Afghanistan, the ongoing scandal of Hunter Biden, and what looks to be the Russophobes having all their dreams torn asunder by the collapse of the AFU after getting ground up by Russia’s defenses.
And the powers that be want Biden to choke down all those sins before it becomes too late to plausibly install an effective replacement for him as the Democratic Presidential nominee, and that happening without the need for any primaries or debates. Timing would be critical for that. Just like how the Democratic establishment had decided on Hillary Clinton in 2016, leaving only long shot Bernie Sanders with his grass root supporters to contest her coronation, the establishment will want to replace Biden at a time where chaos won’t interfere with their suppression of America’s democratic traditions for choosing nominees.
But mostly I see it as a case of he can’t leave the stage fast enough. Let the Democratic elites be forced to confront the horror of having their pick for the Vice Presidency becoming the new defacto head, and face, of the Democratic party. She’d be no more in charge than Biden is, and more of the voters would be forced to see the reality of just who has been running the country since JFK was assassinated.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Sep 22 2023 6:45 utc | 411

@earl | Sep 21 2023 19:01 utc | 47
Ukraine loss will be acknowledged when Biden (or whoever) fires Nuland.
A major reason for the US-led war in Ukraine is to cover up for Biden and his sons corruption. To acknowledge the Ukraine war is lost, two things must happen: The Zelensky regime must collapse on its own or be overthrown, and the Biden regime must fall.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 22 2023 5:41 utc | 203

Hear, here!
And to add my two cents, I’ll say that at times I root for Biden to just hang in there, and not let himself be forced out. Because I suspect he’s been tasked for the post mortem job of being the sin eater for all the woes of his administration, from the massive increase in the national debt, the resulting inflation, the depletion of the strategic petroleum reserve, the broken southern border, and the freaking out of Democratic Mayors and Governors, the debacle of the withdrawal from Afghanistan, the ongoing scandal of Hunter Biden, and what looks to be the Russophobes having all their dreams torn asunder by the collapse of the AFU after getting ground up by Russia’s defenses.
And the powers that be want Biden to choke down all those sins before it becomes too late to plausibly install an effective replacement for him as the Democratic Presidential nominee, and that happening without the need for any primaries or debates. Timing would be critical for that. Just like how the Democratic establishment had decided on Hillary Clinton in 2016, leaving only long shot Bernie Sanders with his grass root supporters to contest her coronation, the establishment will want to replace Biden at a time where chaos won’t interfere with their suppression of America’s democratic traditions for choosing nominees.
But mostly I see it as a case of he can’t leave the stage fast enough. Let the Democratic elites be forced to confront the horror of having their pick for the Vice Presidency becoming the new defacto head, and face, of the Democratic party. She’d be no more in charge than Biden is, and more of the voters would be forced to see the reality of just who has been running the country since JFK was assassinated.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Sep 22 2023 6:45 utc | 412

@karlof1 /150 🙂
this man – he has live there happily for over 30 years
https://chiny24.com/chiny-subiektywnie/pierwsza-zasada-ufaj-ale-sprawdzaj
author of the publication –
Andrzej Zawadzki-Liang (梁安基), lawyer, businessman, collaborator of the think-tank Institute for Contemporary China Research (当代中国研究中心), in China for 35 years.
This is what happens when people’s idea of ​​China or Russia as a place to live terrifies them. Well  – but when they get their idea from the MSM….
Is it so difficult to notice how terrible and oppressive the places we live in are becoming?
For example: I remember perfectly well the propaganda from the times before 1989 in Poland. But really, it was never as primitive turd (an understatement!) as it is now.

Posted by: nc | Sep 22 2023 6:47 utc | 413

@karlof1 /150 🙂
this man – he has live there happily for over 30 years
https://chiny24.com/chiny-subiektywnie/pierwsza-zasada-ufaj-ale-sprawdzaj
author of the publication –
Andrzej Zawadzki-Liang (梁安基), lawyer, businessman, collaborator of the think-tank Institute for Contemporary China Research (当代中国研究中心), in China for 35 years.
This is what happens when people’s idea of ​​China or Russia as a place to live terrifies them. Well  – but when they get their idea from the MSM….
Is it so difficult to notice how terrible and oppressive the places we live in are becoming?
For example: I remember perfectly well the propaganda from the times before 1989 in Poland. But really, it was never as primitive turd (an understatement!) as it is now.

Posted by: nc | Sep 22 2023 6:47 utc | 414

They will cope by doubling down with weapons supply
and feeding the masses stories Russia is on the brink of collapse.
For the next decade.
Trump will change nothing.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 22 2023 6:52 utc | 415

They will cope by doubling down with weapons supply
and feeding the masses stories Russia is on the brink of collapse.
For the next decade.
Trump will change nothing.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 22 2023 6:52 utc | 416

Problem is Biden will be long gone before this is over.
We keep hearing defeat is around the corner but who is to say this doesn’t last another ten years ?
Modern warfare could really drag this conflict out for a long time as Russia stays with the go slow.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 22 2023 7:08 utc | 417

Problem is Biden will be long gone before this is over.
We keep hearing defeat is around the corner but who is to say this doesn’t last another ten years ?
Modern warfare could really drag this conflict out for a long time as Russia stays with the go slow.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 22 2023 7:08 utc | 418

So called experts like Ritter and Col Macgregor keep changing the goal posts when this will be over. Their last prediction of the end of this summer has come and gone ( again ).
Here we are facing another winter of of a stalemate allowing Ukraine to regroup. As long as Russia stays with the go slow who knows how long It will last. In the meantime most western gangsters who were in charge of their one party nation states will be gone writing their books and doing their talking tours.
The main take away and lessons to be learned from this conflict, is the world over countries are run by the upper class for their own self serving interests and democracy has been exposed as a sham. We all live in a well defined matrix of deceit and lies run by gangsters.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 22 2023 7:22 utc | 419

So called experts like Ritter and Col Macgregor keep changing the goal posts when this will be over. Their last prediction of the end of this summer has come and gone ( again ).
Here we are facing another winter of of a stalemate allowing Ukraine to regroup. As long as Russia stays with the go slow who knows how long It will last. In the meantime most western gangsters who were in charge of their one party nation states will be gone writing their books and doing their talking tours.
The main take away and lessons to be learned from this conflict, is the world over countries are run by the upper class for their own self serving interests and democracy has been exposed as a sham. We all live in a well defined matrix of deceit and lies run by gangsters.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 22 2023 7:22 utc | 420

When things are desperate enough in Germany, it will no longer be possible to hide who was responsible for the North Stream Attack. Come this winter… Such information might change and correct the direction of European perception. Then the US probably will only be seen as the bully it is, nothing else anymore. Europe and the US will then be isolated each for themselves, turning against each other.

Posted by: Aschamagola | Sep 22 2023 7:24 utc | 421

When things are desperate enough in Germany, it will no longer be possible to hide who was responsible for the North Stream Attack. Come this winter… Such information might change and correct the direction of European perception. Then the US probably will only be seen as the bully it is, nothing else anymore. Europe and the US will then be isolated each for themselves, turning against each other.

Posted by: Aschamagola | Sep 22 2023 7:24 utc | 422

The Blitzkrieg that was supposed to break through the Russian defences, to cut off the land bridge to Crimea, to make the Russians beg to negotiate, and to give “us” all the cards, has turned out to be a pipe dream. The bloodshed in Ukraine will therefore not end anytime soon. Unless fundamental things change in the conflict, a change of government in Kiev for example, Europe can roll up its sleeves for Ukrainian terrorist attacks. See https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/2023/09/22/de-oorlog-in-oekraine-wordt-europa-eindelijk-wakker/

Posted by: Paul-Robert | Sep 22 2023 7:38 utc | 423

The Blitzkrieg that was supposed to break through the Russian defences, to cut off the land bridge to Crimea, to make the Russians beg to negotiate, and to give “us” all the cards, has turned out to be a pipe dream. The bloodshed in Ukraine will therefore not end anytime soon. Unless fundamental things change in the conflict, a change of government in Kiev for example, Europe can roll up its sleeves for Ukrainian terrorist attacks. See https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/2023/09/22/de-oorlog-in-oekraine-wordt-europa-eindelijk-wakker/

Posted by: Paul-Robert | Sep 22 2023 7:38 utc | 424

All of us here at the bar who has been following this war and the wars before it very closely and who always have one eye on the geopolitical landscape.Is sadly when you get down to the nuts and bolts of it all is irrelevant.
The reason it is irrelevant is because one lifetime is a very small amount of time. 70 years goes by quick as a flash of lightening. It is quite frankly no time at all.
Very simp!y put, a generation dies out very quickly in a blink of an eye. The gangsters of each one party nation state fully understand this concept. They are already preparing the next 5 generations who haven’t even been born yet to accept what they are told, taught, fed, narratives and educational framing as they walk through the school gates at the age of 5.
The system and framework of bull shit we all live in our entire lives simply ” waits us out ” they just roll us off a conveyer belt and wait us out as the gangster cabal generation after generation continues to run the show.
b and moon of Alabama will be long gone, every poster here will be dead in a few quick years. It will be others after us doing the exact same things thinking they are making a difference. When the reality is the show will roll on as the blob absorbs any threat of real change and simply waits us out as they prepare the next generation for the pot.
It was always thus.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 22 2023 7:46 utc | 425

All of us here at the bar who has been following this war and the wars before it very closely and who always have one eye on the geopolitical landscape.Is sadly when you get down to the nuts and bolts of it all is irrelevant.
The reason it is irrelevant is because one lifetime is a very small amount of time. 70 years goes by quick as a flash of lightening. It is quite frankly no time at all.
Very simp!y put, a generation dies out very quickly in a blink of an eye. The gangsters of each one party nation state fully understand this concept. They are already preparing the next 5 generations who haven’t even been born yet to accept what they are told, taught, fed, narratives and educational framing as they walk through the school gates at the age of 5.
The system and framework of bull shit we all live in our entire lives simply ” waits us out ” they just roll us off a conveyer belt and wait us out as the gangster cabal generation after generation continues to run the show.
b and moon of Alabama will be long gone, every poster here will be dead in a few quick years. It will be others after us doing the exact same things thinking they are making a difference. When the reality is the show will roll on as the blob absorbs any threat of real change and simply waits us out as they prepare the next generation for the pot.
It was always thus.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 22 2023 7:46 utc | 426

An history of the Great American Empire: 1945-2023: Lies and Fantasies.
Other possible subtitle : A civilization of Infantilism.

Posted by: jean levant | Sep 22 2023 7:52 utc | 427

An history of the Great American Empire: 1945-2023: Lies and Fantasies.
Other possible subtitle : A civilization of Infantilism.

Posted by: jean levant | Sep 22 2023 7:52 utc | 428

Posted by: nc | Sep 22 2023 6:47 utc | 208
I remember perfectly well the propaganda from the times before 1989 in Poland. But really, it was never as primitive turd (an understatement!) as it is now.

Fits exactly with my experience, comparing pre-1990 GDR to nowadays Germany.
Propaganda in the old days could be pretty blunt but now there’s often not even an attempt to hide/explain the obvious contradictions. It seems as if the system can (correctly!) rely on the oblivion of large part of the populace. On the other hand, trust in media and politics is at record low levels, so there’s that.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 22 2023 8:11 utc | 429

Posted by: nc | Sep 22 2023 6:47 utc | 208
I remember perfectly well the propaganda from the times before 1989 in Poland. But really, it was never as primitive turd (an understatement!) as it is now.

Fits exactly with my experience, comparing pre-1990 GDR to nowadays Germany.
Propaganda in the old days could be pretty blunt but now there’s often not even an attempt to hide/explain the obvious contradictions. It seems as if the system can (correctly!) rely on the oblivion of large part of the populace. On the other hand, trust in media and politics is at record low levels, so there’s that.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 22 2023 8:11 utc | 430

It is unfortunately far from over.
“As A Result Of Bloody Battles, The AFU Managed To Cut One Supply Road. Military Summary 2023.09.22”
Dima said that Ukraine had important advances.
Russian army is failing to stop this. Slowly with many casualties, they are advancing.

Posted by: simplex | Sep 22 2023 8:24 utc | 431

It is unfortunately far from over.
“As A Result Of Bloody Battles, The AFU Managed To Cut One Supply Road. Military Summary 2023.09.22”
Dima said that Ukraine had important advances.
Russian army is failing to stop this. Slowly with many casualties, they are advancing.

Posted by: simplex | Sep 22 2023 8:24 utc | 432

re Posted by: blues | Sep 22 2023 0:17 utc | 148 who pointed out:
“I really don’t know why people can’t just accept that I am smarter than everybody else, and just accept my analyses.”
I’m certain most of us here feel for ya blues.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 22 2023 8:27 utc | 433

re Posted by: blues | Sep 22 2023 0:17 utc | 148 who pointed out:
“I really don’t know why people can’t just accept that I am smarter than everybody else, and just accept my analyses.”
I’m certain most of us here feel for ya blues.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 22 2023 8:27 utc | 434

Looks like China is reacting to the upcoming, US-sponsored Taiwan issue in its own way and not just with military maneuvers:
Taiwan conflict: China’s charme offence (in German)
An English piece on this topic but from an anti-Chinese POV: China unveils new integration plan (The EurAsian Times)
Their idea is to further Taiwan-Fujian relationship (Fujian is the mainland province opposite to Taiwan) on a citizen level: student exchanges, investment in infrastructure and so on. I am sure that many Taiwanese follow the Ukraine conflict closely and have an idea what awaits them in the worst case.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 22 2023 8:27 utc | 435

Looks like China is reacting to the upcoming, US-sponsored Taiwan issue in its own way and not just with military maneuvers:
Taiwan conflict: China’s charme offence (in German)
An English piece on this topic but from an anti-Chinese POV: China unveils new integration plan (The EurAsian Times)
Their idea is to further Taiwan-Fujian relationship (Fujian is the mainland province opposite to Taiwan) on a citizen level: student exchanges, investment in infrastructure and so on. I am sure that many Taiwanese follow the Ukraine conflict closely and have an idea what awaits them in the worst case.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 22 2023 8:27 utc | 436

“Keeping the LIe going” is the thing USAmericans do best … they have 247 years of experience. It seems, however, that lately their pants are very seriously on fire.

Posted by: Victor G. | Sep 22 2023 8:36 utc | 437

“Keeping the LIe going” is the thing USAmericans do best … they have 247 years of experience. It seems, however, that lately their pants are very seriously on fire.

Posted by: Victor G. | Sep 22 2023 8:36 utc | 438

Host:

How Will The Biden Administration Cope With Its Loss In Ukraine?

Unless the Russians conduct a fast and overwhelming offensive that leads to regime collapse in Ukraine, the Biden admin is betting on not having to cope with the coming defeat in Ukraine.
If the Russians conduct a fast and overwhelming offensive that leads to regime collapse in Ukraine, the Biden admin will cope with it by blaming the Ukrainians and the Russians. The Ukrainians will be corrupt and incompetent and the Russians will be war criminals and genocidal.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 22 2023 8:59 utc | 439

Host:

How Will The Biden Administration Cope With Its Loss In Ukraine?

Unless the Russians conduct a fast and overwhelming offensive that leads to regime collapse in Ukraine, the Biden admin is betting on not having to cope with the coming defeat in Ukraine.
If the Russians conduct a fast and overwhelming offensive that leads to regime collapse in Ukraine, the Biden admin will cope with it by blaming the Ukrainians and the Russians. The Ukrainians will be corrupt and incompetent and the Russians will be war criminals and genocidal.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 22 2023 8:59 utc | 440

They will lie their way through the defeat, strike inside Russia a bit, maybe blow up that beautiful bridge, call it a win and very many people will believe them. Johnson is saying the west won world war ll with Ukraine. And some other devious clown is making people think that Russia might have dropped the bombs on Japan – in front of the Japanese president. So who cares, we can say whatever the hell we like. Didn’t we just encourage 400,000 to kill themselves.

Posted by: Inki | Sep 22 2023 9:28 utc | 441

They will lie their way through the defeat, strike inside Russia a bit, maybe blow up that beautiful bridge, call it a win and very many people will believe them. Johnson is saying the west won world war ll with Ukraine. And some other devious clown is making people think that Russia might have dropped the bombs on Japan – in front of the Japanese president. So who cares, we can say whatever the hell we like. Didn’t we just encourage 400,000 to kill themselves.

Posted by: Inki | Sep 22 2023 9:28 utc | 442

If the USA tries to restore its mojo by finding a “little country” to throw against the wall, that little country will invite the Russians and Chinese in to help them, and instantly, USA finds itself in a proxy war against Russia, China, and North Korea..
The boot will be on the other foot with a vengeance.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 22 2023 9:36 utc | 443

If the USA tries to restore its mojo by finding a “little country” to throw against the wall, that little country will invite the Russians and Chinese in to help them, and instantly, USA finds itself in a proxy war against Russia, China, and North Korea..
The boot will be on the other foot with a vengeance.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 22 2023 9:36 utc | 444

“The American intelligence official I spoke with spent the early years of his career working against Soviet aggression and spying has respect for Putin’s intellect but contempt for his decision to go to war with Ukraine and to initiate the death and destruction that war brings.”. That is something to think about,considering that he didn’t show any contempt, when Putin attacked Iraq, as Biden put it a while ago!

Posted by: padre | Sep 22 2023 9:46 utc | 445

“The American intelligence official I spoke with spent the early years of his career working against Soviet aggression and spying has respect for Putin’s intellect but contempt for his decision to go to war with Ukraine and to initiate the death and destruction that war brings.”. That is something to think about,considering that he didn’t show any contempt, when Putin attacked Iraq, as Biden put it a while ago!

Posted by: padre | Sep 22 2023 9:46 utc | 446

Posted by: nc | Sep 22 2023 9:13 utc | 222
You sound more realistic than most rabid Polish posters that frequent this site, I have two relatives that are Medical Doctors in Poland, they put Polish military casualty around 32000, these are both females and are married to establishment, we share maternal grand father, from days that Poland was part of Russia empire, how realistic is the figure put forward by the Polish Government?

Posted by: Grishka | Sep 22 2023 10:09 utc | 447

Posted by: nc | Sep 22 2023 9:13 utc | 222
You sound more realistic than most rabid Polish posters that frequent this site, I have two relatives that are Medical Doctors in Poland, they put Polish military casualty around 32000, these are both females and are married to establishment, we share maternal grand father, from days that Poland was part of Russia empire, how realistic is the figure put forward by the Polish Government?

Posted by: Grishka | Sep 22 2023 10:09 utc | 448

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 22 2023 9:36 utc | 224

If the USA tries to restore its mojo by finding a “little country” to throw against the wall, that little country will invite the Russians and Chinese

Not even. The last little country it tried to throw against the wall delivered 20 years of defeat (whichever way you look at it) without Chinese or Russian help.
The U.S is running out of “little countries” it can destroy without risking major embarrassment.
(On a related, illustrative note, one of my very beefy sons picked a fight with a senior siamese cat today and was defeated decisively. Most often a tiny enemy is more lethal because he’s agile and hard to get a grip of …)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 22 2023 10:19 utc | 449

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 22 2023 9:36 utc | 224

If the USA tries to restore its mojo by finding a “little country” to throw against the wall, that little country will invite the Russians and Chinese

Not even. The last little country it tried to throw against the wall delivered 20 years of defeat (whichever way you look at it) without Chinese or Russian help.
The U.S is running out of “little countries” it can destroy without risking major embarrassment.
(On a related, illustrative note, one of my very beefy sons picked a fight with a senior siamese cat today and was defeated decisively. Most often a tiny enemy is more lethal because he’s agile and hard to get a grip of …)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 22 2023 10:19 utc | 450

Posted by: 24ouncer | Sep 21 2023 18:14 utc | 26
“The Twelve Caesars by Suetonius detailing the conversion of the Roman Republic into a blood thirsty degenerate despotic empire.”
Tiberius, Caligula and Nero were clearly despots but in the 2nd century AD, one hundred years later the Roman Empire enjoyed the Age of the Antonines a glorious period of the reigns of Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian, Antonius Pius and Marcus Aurelius.
Edward Gibbon agrees:
“If a man were called to fix the period in the history of the world, during which the condition of the human race was most happy and prosperous, he would, without hesitation, name that which elapsed from the death of Domitian to the accession of Commodus. The vast extent of the Roman empire was governed by absolute power, under the guidance of virtue and wisdom. The armies were restrained by the firm but gentle hand of four successive emperors, whose characters and authority commanded involuntary respect. The forms of the civil administration were carefully preserved by Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian, and the Antonines, who delighted in the image of liberty, and were pleased with considering themselves as the accountable ministers of the laws.”

Posted by: canuck | Sep 22 2023 10:37 utc | 451

Posted by: 24ouncer | Sep 21 2023 18:14 utc | 26
“The Twelve Caesars by Suetonius detailing the conversion of the Roman Republic into a blood thirsty degenerate despotic empire.”
Tiberius, Caligula and Nero were clearly despots but in the 2nd century AD, one hundred years later the Roman Empire enjoyed the Age of the Antonines a glorious period of the reigns of Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian, Antonius Pius and Marcus Aurelius.
Edward Gibbon agrees:
“If a man were called to fix the period in the history of the world, during which the condition of the human race was most happy and prosperous, he would, without hesitation, name that which elapsed from the death of Domitian to the accession of Commodus. The vast extent of the Roman empire was governed by absolute power, under the guidance of virtue and wisdom. The armies were restrained by the firm but gentle hand of four successive emperors, whose characters and authority commanded involuntary respect. The forms of the civil administration were carefully preserved by Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian, and the Antonines, who delighted in the image of liberty, and were pleased with considering themselves as the accountable ministers of the laws.”

Posted by: canuck | Sep 22 2023 10:37 utc | 452

“How Will The Biden Administration Cope With Its Loss In Ukraine?”

Simple, by not acknowledging it as such, same as they do most everything else, and a good part of the masses will gobble it up as usual.

Posted by: knighthawk | Sep 22 2023 10:40 utc | 453

“How Will The Biden Administration Cope With Its Loss In Ukraine?”

Simple, by not acknowledging it as such, same as they do most everything else, and a good part of the masses will gobble it up as usual.

Posted by: knighthawk | Sep 22 2023 10:40 utc | 454

I agree with what many others have stated.
Independently from the outcome in Ukraine, west will declare a victory. The frame is always the same, pretend that RF had some big objective, they probably never had, and declare victory on RF not having hit that objective.
Faundations of this frame has bean already layered in western propaganda.
One thing that must be taken into consideration is the possibility of a WTSHTF situation. With election in US, in UE countries, and UE general elections, someone can be tempted to exploit some ‘information’ to his/her advantage and this could start really a messy domino situation. My2c

Posted by: Mario | Sep 22 2023 10:43 utc | 455

I agree with what many others have stated.
Independently from the outcome in Ukraine, west will declare a victory. The frame is always the same, pretend that RF had some big objective, they probably never had, and declare victory on RF not having hit that objective.
Faundations of this frame has bean already layered in western propaganda.
One thing that must be taken into consideration is the possibility of a WTSHTF situation. With election in US, in UE countries, and UE general elections, someone can be tempted to exploit some ‘information’ to his/her advantage and this could start really a messy domino situation. My2c

Posted by: Mario | Sep 22 2023 10:43 utc | 456

My take is that the West will lose this badly, and with a total loss of faith for everyone who has eyes to see.
All others will be told (by the Western governments and all the MSM together) that this was a great success, because Putin wanted to invade Europe, the UNited States, the Moon and Mars, but was stopped at XYZ (this is whenever Putin decides he wants to stop).

Posted by: Alexander P | Sep 22 2023 10:43 utc | 457

My take is that the West will lose this badly, and with a total loss of faith for everyone who has eyes to see.
All others will be told (by the Western governments and all the MSM together) that this was a great success, because Putin wanted to invade Europe, the UNited States, the Moon and Mars, but was stopped at XYZ (this is whenever Putin decides he wants to stop).

Posted by: Alexander P | Sep 22 2023 10:43 utc | 458

Throw some crappy little country up against the wall…
Posted by: c | Sep 21 2023 19:53 utc | 75
My guess would be Eritrea / Ethiopia:
Posted by: Zet | Sep 21 2023 21:22 utc | 101
Look at yourself in the mirror and you will see who is crappy and racist.

Posted by: sal | Sep 22 2023 10:45 utc | 459

Throw some crappy little country up against the wall…
Posted by: c | Sep 21 2023 19:53 utc | 75
My guess would be Eritrea / Ethiopia:
Posted by: Zet | Sep 21 2023 21:22 utc | 101
Look at yourself in the mirror and you will see who is crappy and racist.

Posted by: sal | Sep 22 2023 10:45 utc | 460

Posted by: Grishka | Sep 22 2023 10:09 utc | 226 “they put Polish military casualty around 32000”
32,000? Got any links to an obituary? Social media postings by family?

Posted by: ed5 | Sep 22 2023 11:01 utc | 461

Posted by: Grishka | Sep 22 2023 10:09 utc | 226 “they put Polish military casualty around 32000”
32,000? Got any links to an obituary? Social media postings by family?

Posted by: ed5 | Sep 22 2023 11:01 utc | 462

Loss? Hmmmm
The Satanic empire is stepping up athacks with missles
Red lines?
Chessmaster serms color blind
🇷🇺❗️ A TASS correspondent reports that after a missile strike on the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet, debris was scattered over hundreds of meters
According to him, a large number of ambulances are traveling to the scene of the emergency.
🇷🇺🇺🇸🇺🇦The us navy P-8A Poseidon frame is responsible for targeting missiles at Crimea, reports Condottiero

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 22 2023 11:11 utc | 463

Loss? Hmmmm
The Satanic empire is stepping up athacks with missles
Red lines?
Chessmaster serms color blind
🇷🇺❗️ A TASS correspondent reports that after a missile strike on the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet, debris was scattered over hundreds of meters
According to him, a large number of ambulances are traveling to the scene of the emergency.
🇷🇺🇺🇸🇺🇦The us navy P-8A Poseidon frame is responsible for targeting missiles at Crimea, reports Condottiero

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 22 2023 11:11 utc | 464

@234,
Yeah, we know troll man. Your job is done for today.

Posted by: JamesBond | Sep 22 2023 11:12 utc | 465

@234,
Yeah, we know troll man. Your job is done for today.

Posted by: JamesBond | Sep 22 2023 11:12 utc | 466

My take is that the West will lose this badly
Posted by: Alexander P | Sep 22 2023 10:43 utc | 231
They lose the artillery duels in Donbass they don’t care about, the main task was always different. For example today, the Black Sea Fleet headquarters in Sevastopol was hit by a missile. During the day! (t.me/CyberspecNews/42951)

Posted by: rk | Sep 22 2023 11:14 utc | 467

My take is that the West will lose this badly
Posted by: Alexander P | Sep 22 2023 10:43 utc | 231
They lose the artillery duels in Donbass they don’t care about, the main task was always different. For example today, the Black Sea Fleet headquarters in Sevastopol was hit by a missile. During the day! (t.me/CyberspecNews/42951)

Posted by: rk | Sep 22 2023 11:14 utc | 468

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What you call the United States is a territory that was invaded by Europeans beginning in the late sixteenth century.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Sep 22 2023 11:14 utc | 469

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What you call the United States is a territory that was invaded by Europeans beginning in the late sixteenth century.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Sep 22 2023 11:14 utc | 470

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Sep 21 2023 19:04 utc | 49
With all due respect, Mark, Biden is a metaphor. Joe Biden can barely talk let alone run the free world.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 22 2023 11:15 utc | 471

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Sep 21 2023 19:04 utc | 49
With all due respect, Mark, Biden is a metaphor. Joe Biden can barely talk let alone run the free world.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 22 2023 11:15 utc | 472

@235
Hey Bondanov. R u ok?
U don’t like other opinions?
CIA SBU always looking for word correctors

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 22 2023 11:20 utc | 473

@235
Hey Bondanov. R u ok?
U don’t like other opinions?
CIA SBU always looking for word correctors

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 22 2023 11:20 utc | 474

My coping strategy… Drink myself into oblivion. Barkeep, another bourbon, please!

Posted by: OldFart | Sep 22 2023 11:26 utc | 475

My coping strategy… Drink myself into oblivion. Barkeep, another bourbon, please!

Posted by: OldFart | Sep 22 2023 11:26 utc | 476

Why would anyone think that Biden stepping down would improve international relations? The neocons have survived several administrations, morphing from Republicans to Democrats when the situation called for it. Biden may go, but any Democrat or RINO that takes his place will leave these devils in power.

Posted by: Janet | Sep 22 2023 11:28 utc | 477

Why would anyone think that Biden stepping down would improve international relations? The neocons have survived several administrations, morphing from Republicans to Democrats when the situation called for it. Biden may go, but any Democrat or RINO that takes his place will leave these devils in power.

Posted by: Janet | Sep 22 2023 11:28 utc | 478

@239,
I have no problem with other opinions. Just the repetitive garbage that trolls are spitting daily here and only on “certain” occasions. Since you are very fond of telegram channels for getting news, perhaps you should also post when Ukr gets flatten daily. I am sure you would have ample source of information on those telegram channels you are using.

Posted by: JamesBond | Sep 22 2023 11:29 utc | 479

@239,
I have no problem with other opinions. Just the repetitive garbage that trolls are spitting daily here and only on “certain” occasions. Since you are very fond of telegram channels for getting news, perhaps you should also post when Ukr gets flatten daily. I am sure you would have ample source of information on those telegram channels you are using.

Posted by: JamesBond | Sep 22 2023 11:29 utc | 480

Posted by: rk | Sep 22 2023 11:14 utc | 236

Black Sea Fleet headquarters in Sevastopol was hit by a missile. During the day! (t.me/CyberspecNews/42951)

Dear rk
Have you noticed that the black sea fleet, and indeed almost all the watchamacallits at Sebastopol have played next to no role whatsoever where it matters in this war?
All the action is happening at the Surovikhin line!
Putin could lose his entire Black Sea fleet and all Russia would suffer is a little wounded pride.

The Ukronazis are wasting time, resources and clever minds focusing on Crimea, chasing boats and even things that are under maintenance (and therefore harmless anyway) while the determinants of this “war” are being decided on land, on the front lines, by artillery and rocketfire and geopolitically by the changing flows of energy and other commodities …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 22 2023 11:38 utc | 481

Posted by: rk | Sep 22 2023 11:14 utc | 236

Black Sea Fleet headquarters in Sevastopol was hit by a missile. During the day! (t.me/CyberspecNews/42951)

Dear rk
Have you noticed that the black sea fleet, and indeed almost all the watchamacallits at Sebastopol have played next to no role whatsoever where it matters in this war?
All the action is happening at the Surovikhin line!
Putin could lose his entire Black Sea fleet and all Russia would suffer is a little wounded pride.

The Ukronazis are wasting time, resources and clever minds focusing on Crimea, chasing boats and even things that are under maintenance (and therefore harmless anyway) while the determinants of this “war” are being decided on land, on the front lines, by artillery and rocketfire and geopolitically by the changing flows of energy and other commodities …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 22 2023 11:38 utc | 482

The Biden administration is coping by opening the borders of the southern US and importing 10’s of thousands of migrants.
It was how that Empire was built. Forced migrants – slavery. Poor migrants driven out of Europe. Indentured migrants out of China and India ( to replace the freed slaves of the Caribbean).
Now – Deluded migrants sold on Hollywood American Dreams.
Why? Duh because that’s how slavery has always worked in building America- with added psychology of the slaves willingly coming to be slaves because of the constant promulgation of the fake culture depicted in movies and tv. A failure of new slaves leads to the collapse of the whole Ponzi scheme that is the delusion of the Empire of Lies – there I have now also used the phrase.
That is the alpha and omega of the last AngloEuropean Imperial state in our history.
Soon to join the other decaying Empires of our Europe.
I’m noting some great thoughts on this thread and some very revealing ones too!
These may lead to being added to my dance card later, though they appear to have scuttled away today so far… to replenish the poison in their sting?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 22 2023 11:42 utc | 483

The Biden administration is coping by opening the borders of the southern US and importing 10’s of thousands of migrants.
It was how that Empire was built. Forced migrants – slavery. Poor migrants driven out of Europe. Indentured migrants out of China and India ( to replace the freed slaves of the Caribbean).
Now – Deluded migrants sold on Hollywood American Dreams.
Why? Duh because that’s how slavery has always worked in building America- with added psychology of the slaves willingly coming to be slaves because of the constant promulgation of the fake culture depicted in movies and tv. A failure of new slaves leads to the collapse of the whole Ponzi scheme that is the delusion of the Empire of Lies – there I have now also used the phrase.
That is the alpha and omega of the last AngloEuropean Imperial state in our history.
Soon to join the other decaying Empires of our Europe.
I’m noting some great thoughts on this thread and some very revealing ones too!
These may lead to being added to my dance card later, though they appear to have scuttled away today so far… to replenish the poison in their sting?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 22 2023 11:42 utc | 484

It’s O V E R for the self-proclaimed “Exceptional, Indispensable, Bestest Ever!” USA.
The only question remaining is whether it goes OUT with a bang or a wimper.
My guess is that, due to its unbridled self-delusion, it pushes its luck ‘one too many’ times in the near future… and goes out with an Almighty !!!BANG!!!

Posted by: Peter Petherington | Sep 22 2023 11:44 utc | 485

It’s O V E R for the self-proclaimed “Exceptional, Indispensable, Bestest Ever!” USA.
The only question remaining is whether it goes OUT with a bang or a wimper.
My guess is that, due to its unbridled self-delusion, it pushes its luck ‘one too many’ times in the near future… and goes out with an Almighty !!!BANG!!!

Posted by: Peter Petherington | Sep 22 2023 11:44 utc | 486

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2023 19:27 utc | 61
“How can a bankrupt government continue to try and conquer the world?”
Indeed; very succinct.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 22 2023 11:46 utc | 487

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2023 19:27 utc | 61
“How can a bankrupt government continue to try and conquer the world?”
Indeed; very succinct.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 22 2023 11:46 utc | 488

This arc was not the imagination of the Biden crime complex. Blatant chicanery at the margins of the cancerous tumor that is current US foreign policy and the strategic objectives therein- more like parasites than architects. Some unrealistic notions get floated implicitly when amorphous organisms like the “Democratic Party” are discussed. Republicans being the same species, it may have only been the miscalculation of bringing in Trump to secure 2016 by the Democratic Party (indicating clearly their lack of wisdom or acumen) which created the turmoil of Russiagate.
The New McCarthyism of 2014 speaks more clearly than the Trump term fiction scandal, or the Burisma fun and games. The interested parties behind this move freely from Republican offices to Democratic beds when something like Trump or other populist activity causes discomfort. You can pin a lot of things on Biden that are fundamental to the misery that the US experiences, mostly because Biden is a part of that power structure that rises above phony party labels.
It is disappointing when commentators buy into obvious mythology while trying to dissect important problems or puzzles.
Understandable in light of the apparent success of the lousy propaganda being tossed around these days.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Sep 22 2023 11:48 utc | 489

This arc was not the imagination of the Biden crime complex. Blatant chicanery at the margins of the cancerous tumor that is current US foreign policy and the strategic objectives therein- more like parasites than architects. Some unrealistic notions get floated implicitly when amorphous organisms like the “Democratic Party” are discussed. Republicans being the same species, it may have only been the miscalculation of bringing in Trump to secure 2016 by the Democratic Party (indicating clearly their lack of wisdom or acumen) which created the turmoil of Russiagate.
The New McCarthyism of 2014 speaks more clearly than the Trump term fiction scandal, or the Burisma fun and games. The interested parties behind this move freely from Republican offices to Democratic beds when something like Trump or other populist activity causes discomfort. You can pin a lot of things on Biden that are fundamental to the misery that the US experiences, mostly because Biden is a part of that power structure that rises above phony party labels.
It is disappointing when commentators buy into obvious mythology while trying to dissect important problems or puzzles.
Understandable in light of the apparent success of the lousy propaganda being tossed around these days.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Sep 22 2023 11:48 utc | 490

“Plus, one thing the SMO has proven is NATO weapons systems and the industries that produce them are junk.”
Karlofi I would amend your statement slightly: “and the industries that produce them are expensive junk”.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 22 2023 11:49 utc | 491

“Plus, one thing the SMO has proven is NATO weapons systems and the industries that produce them are junk.”
Karlofi I would amend your statement slightly: “and the industries that produce them are expensive junk”.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 22 2023 11:49 utc | 492

This war will be over in one month………….the great collapse is already underway in the House chamber of the Congress as the outrageous new Ukrainian Nazi aid package will be defeated………but….
The goal of the WEC EU NATO conspirators in this war was always to destroy Orthodox Russia, because religiously and socially Russia is opposed to everything they stand for and support.
Russia opposes gay marriage, LGBTQ rights, green reset goals, child sexual mutilation, abortion on demand, and has supported the re-establishment of Christian moral values and the Orthodox and Western Catholic faiths. Putin has rebuild the Great Cathedral at Moscow and funded the completion of the Grand Cathedral of St. Sava in Belgrade to the tune of many millions of dollars. He is a faithful Orthodox Christian.
Compare that to Joe Biden and his family, a family that says they are devout Catholics but whose actions are contrary to all Christian values – his support for the most incredibly radical abortion on demand including abortion at birth, support for child mutilation, support for radicals who have attacked and sacked over 325 Catholic Churches and shrines since May-June 2020. I will not in this space mention the depravity of Hunter……
So each side goals are clear here…….its an anti Christian war lead by the likes of atheists like Volo, Nuland, Blinken, Sherman, Hillary and Garland………
There is no turning back for Russia, they are fighting a war of annihilation. A defeat for Russia will mean not only loss on the battlefield but a huge loss for Christianity in the grand war against the nihilists.

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 22 2023 11:56 utc | 493

This war will be over in one month………….the great collapse is already underway in the House chamber of the Congress as the outrageous new Ukrainian Nazi aid package will be defeated………but….
The goal of the WEC EU NATO conspirators in this war was always to destroy Orthodox Russia, because religiously and socially Russia is opposed to everything they stand for and support.
Russia opposes gay marriage, LGBTQ rights, green reset goals, child sexual mutilation, abortion on demand, and has supported the re-establishment of Christian moral values and the Orthodox and Western Catholic faiths. Putin has rebuild the Great Cathedral at Moscow and funded the completion of the Grand Cathedral of St. Sava in Belgrade to the tune of many millions of dollars. He is a faithful Orthodox Christian.
Compare that to Joe Biden and his family, a family that says they are devout Catholics but whose actions are contrary to all Christian values – his support for the most incredibly radical abortion on demand including abortion at birth, support for child mutilation, support for radicals who have attacked and sacked over 325 Catholic Churches and shrines since May-June 2020. I will not in this space mention the depravity of Hunter……
So each side goals are clear here…….its an anti Christian war lead by the likes of atheists like Volo, Nuland, Blinken, Sherman, Hillary and Garland………
There is no turning back for Russia, they are fighting a war of annihilation. A defeat for Russia will mean not only loss on the battlefield but a huge loss for Christianity in the grand war against the nihilists.

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 22 2023 11:56 utc | 494

Sadly, I don’t think anything basic will change in the US, following defeat. Since JFK’s murder, the Deep State has been in charge – at least, as a sort of veto over foreign policy in particular.
The CIA/NSA/intelligence cabal can blackmail or destroy whomever they wish. They can claim terrorism or just disavow spying on Congress or Judges or anyone – and get away with it. One in five Americans favors secession now and even that wouldn’t stop them – in looking at the aggressive plans the Confederacy had after the war.
Britain is a sad example. Lecturing the world on how to run their affairs while the nation rots and its military is becoming a joke. Empires can’t give up their arrogant mindset.

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 22 2023 11:59 utc | 495

Sadly, I don’t think anything basic will change in the US, following defeat. Since JFK’s murder, the Deep State has been in charge – at least, as a sort of veto over foreign policy in particular.
The CIA/NSA/intelligence cabal can blackmail or destroy whomever they wish. They can claim terrorism or just disavow spying on Congress or Judges or anyone – and get away with it. One in five Americans favors secession now and even that wouldn’t stop them – in looking at the aggressive plans the Confederacy had after the war.
Britain is a sad example. Lecturing the world on how to run their affairs while the nation rots and its military is becoming a joke. Empires can’t give up their arrogant mindset.

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 22 2023 11:59 utc | 496

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 22 2023 11:38 utc | 243 “Have you noticed that the black sea fleet” “played next to no role”
The Russian Black Sea fleet has launched a lot of missiles into Ukraine. The Russian Black Sea fleet has also carried supplies to Crimea.

Posted by: ed5 | Sep 22 2023 12:00 utc | 497

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 22 2023 11:38 utc | 243 “Have you noticed that the black sea fleet” “played next to no role”
The Russian Black Sea fleet has launched a lot of missiles into Ukraine. The Russian Black Sea fleet has also carried supplies to Crimea.

Posted by: ed5 | Sep 22 2023 12:00 utc | 498

Arch Bungle | Sep 22 2023 11:38 utc | 243
I disagree. The front line isn’t where you think it is. The use of Ukr army has always been a cover for terrorism and illegal sanctions. The proof is that they attacked first, since the first days after the coup. And tried to suspend the agreement on Russian bases in Crimea.
Yes, there are many in natostan thinking 10 tanks of that model and 10 planes of another model will win against 1000 washing machines. That part is just to allow attacks on NS, Crimea bridge, civilians and anything else they can find until regime change and back to 90s.
And all resources always come back to natostan, from India proxy and others. More expensive for EU, more money for US.

Posted by: rk | Sep 22 2023 12:01 utc | 499

Arch Bungle | Sep 22 2023 11:38 utc | 243
I disagree. The front line isn’t where you think it is. The use of Ukr army has always been a cover for terrorism and illegal sanctions. The proof is that they attacked first, since the first days after the coup. And tried to suspend the agreement on Russian bases in Crimea.
Yes, there are many in natostan thinking 10 tanks of that model and 10 planes of another model will win against 1000 washing machines. That part is just to allow attacks on NS, Crimea bridge, civilians and anything else they can find until regime change and back to 90s.
And all resources always come back to natostan, from India proxy and others. More expensive for EU, more money for US.

Posted by: rk | Sep 22 2023 12:01 utc | 500