Hersh Reveals U.S. Motive For Destruction Of Nord Stream Pipelines
Seymour Hersh just published a new piece about the bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines.
When the pipelines were blown up on September 27 2022 I had asked:
Whodunnit? - Facts Related to The Sabotage Attack On The Nord Stream Pipelines
I had collected the various known facts around the incident and they in sum suggested that it had been the U.S. of A.
Seymour Hersh put the same question to some of his intelligence contacts. He was given the same answer.
He now reports on further facts and final motives to trigger the incident.
A YEAR OF LYING ABOUT NORD STREAM
The Biden administration has acknowledged neither its responsibility for the pipeline bombing nor the purpose of the sabotage
(archived version)
At the core of Hersh's report is this:
It was no surprise to the agency’s secret planning group when on January 27, 2022, the assured and confident Nuland, then undersecretary of state for political affairs, stridently warned Putin that if he invaded Ukraine, as he clearly was planning to, that “one way or another Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.” The line attracted enormous attention, but the words preceding the threat did not. The official State Department transcript shows that she preceded her threat by saying that with regard to the pipeline: “We continue to have very strong and clear conversations with our German allies.”
...
The German leader was considered then—and now—by some members of the CIA team to be fully aware of the secret planning underway to destroy the pipelines.
...
What I did not know then, but was told recently, was that after Biden’s extraordinary public threat to blow up Nord Stream 2, with Scholz standing next to him, the CIA planning group was told by the White House that there would be no immediate attack on the two pipelines, but the group should arrange to plant the necessary bombs and be ready to trigger them “on demand”—after the war began. “It was then that we”—the small planning group that was working in Oslo with the Royal Norwegian Navy and special services on the project—“understood that the attack on the pipelines was not a deterrent because as the war went on we never got the command.”After Biden’s order to trigger the explosives planted on the pipelines, it took only a short flight with a Norwegian fighter and the dropping of an altered off-the-shelf sonar device at the right spot in the Baltic Sea to get it done. By then the CIA group had long disbanded. By then, too, the official told me: “We realized that the destruction of the two Russian pipelines was not related to the Ukrainian war”—Putin was in the process of annexing the four Ukrainian oblasts he wanted—“but was part of a neocon political agenda to keep Scholz and Germany, with winter coming up and the pipelines shut down, from getting cold feet and opening up” the shuttered Nord Stream 2. “The White House fear was that Putin would get Germany under his thumb and then he was going to get Poland.”
...
All of this explains why a routine question I posed a month or so after the bombings to someone with many years in the American intelligence community led me to a truth that no one in America or Germany seems to want to pursue. My question was simple: “Who did it?”The Biden administration blew up the pipelines but the action had little to do with winning or stopping the war in Ukraine. It resulted from fears in the White House that Germany would waver and turn on the flow of Russia gas—and that Germany and then NATO, for economic reasons, would fall under the sway of Russia and its extensive and inexpensive natural resources. And thus followed the ultimate fear: that America would lose its long-standing primacy in Western Europe.
The German Chancellor Olaf Scholz will now have to answer some serious questions ...
Added:
This is of course related:
Stephen Stapczynski @SStapczynski - 22:47 UTC · Sep 25, 2023Europe must rely on LNG from the US for decades, said EU’s top energy official 🇪🇺🤝🇺🇸
🚢 “There will be a need for American energy,” said Jørgensen, energy director-general
⚡️ This is one of the strongest signals that the EU needs US LNG well past 2030
ft.com - Top EU energy official says US gas will be needed for decades
Posted by b on September 26, 2023 at 14:26 UTC | Permalink
next page »I think it's been clear to anyone with normal IQ that the pipes had been blown by US or, at least, with complicity from NATO. The question is why Germany allowed that?
Posted by: Mario | Sep 26 2023 14:37 utc | 2
Posted by: Bluedog57 | Sep 26 2023 14:31 utc | 1
Well yeah, but it is nice to have more testimony to that effect.
The interesting question is why is Hersh trotting this out again now?
Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 26 2023 14:40 utc | 3
Actually Shultz doesn't have to answer anything. The Germans are too stupid and the world is too full of Kool-Aid.
The Hersh conclusion is not new at all. That's about what many have concluded; N1&2 were bombed to make sure Shultz doesn't do an about face.
Posted by: Surferket | Sep 26 2023 14:41 utc | 4
"...German Chancellor Olaf Scholz will now have to answer some serious questions..."
He will, indeed. But he won't be alone: there are signs throughout NATO that things are falling apart. The Polish government is calling for the prosecution of the 98 year old SS volunteer whose boots were licked by Trudeau et al. And that is just the beginning- NATO is realising that it is allied not with Ukraine but with the Bandera OUN, who are neither strong nor reliable, and are founded on an ideology which preaches hatred of all foreigners.
Hungary is drawing attention to the persecution of Magyars in Ukraine. And the pro-western governments of Moldava etc are likely to find that, after two years of war and a decade of hostility, the benefits of alliance with the enemies of their natural trading partners have proved to be minimal.
What we are seeing is that all manner of pro US, carefully chosen, educated in America leaders are feeling the ground under their feet shaking as the policies that they pursue become constly to the people they puport to represent.
article by Dsamiel Lazare goes well with Hersh's.
https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1459/investigations-drag-on-and-on/
Posted by: bevin | Sep 26 2023 14:41 utc | 5
It is nice to have the confirmation from Hersh's Intelligence sources. However, the motive and the timing correspond with what has been widely believe since September by those with a functioning brain.
Still, it is good that this pops up again now, as in September 2023 more Germans are willing to pose themselves the right questions than this was the case one year ago.
Posted by: Alexander P | Sep 26 2023 14:42 utc | 6
"The Biden administration blew up the pipelines but the action had little to do with winning or stopping the war in Ukraine. It resulted from fears in the White House that Germany would waver and turn on the flow of Russia gas—and that Germany and then NATO, for economic reasons, would fall under the sway of Russia and its extensive and inexpensive natural resources. And thus followed the ultimate fear: that America would lose its long-standing primacy in Western Europe."
Will Europeans ever wake up?
Who is Europe's "real" enemy?
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2023 14:42 utc | 7
Posted by: Bluedog57 | Sep 26 2023 14:31 utc | 1
Well yeah, but it is nice to have more testimony to that effect.
The interesting question is why is Hersh trotting this out again now?
Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 26 2023 14:43 utc | 8
Scholz will answer no questions. Who will ask questions? The totally enslaved media? What a laugh.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 26 2023 14:43 utc | 9
Sorry about the typos- its not dyslexia but.. I'm too cheap to replace my old keyboard with all the characters rubbed off.
Posted by: bevin | Sep 26 2023 14:44 utc | 10
It's worrying that European politicians who are well out of their depths even in domestic political problems such as the bankruptcy of Birmingham, still idiotically parrot the CIA and neocon narratives in public for fear of being thought not keeping up. My MP said that the more Putin wanted security, the less he would get it.
But that attitude looks more like an own goal, because European energy security has been demolished by Biden bombing up NS2, and subsidising energy costs is bankrupting Britain.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 26 2023 14:48 utc | 11
There is still no gas coming out of those pipes. Every day that goes by is another day Europeans can think about who did this. The fake news is going to wear off and when it does people are going to be very angry.
Posted by: chunga | Sep 26 2023 14:50 utc | 12
>> The German Chancellor Olaf Scholz will now have to answer some serious questions ..
Unfortunately, no.
Who would ask them? After a five-year war on "fake news", Berlin and Brussels have established full controll over Internet and media. They control the narrative. A lot of Germans are actually celebrating the destruction of the pipelines, believing that finally, Germany had been liberated from Putins grip.
There are no media left to explain that Germany had already paid for the energy (investment costs for producing and transporting energy have long been split between Germany and Russia, and prices agreed in long term contracts. At levels that left only fairly small profits to Russia.
There are no media left in Germany to explain that the money now thrown over to the US should have been used to build a green energy infrastructure that makes Germany independent not only from foreign suppliers, but from fossil fuel altogether. The money is now gone, and the dream of green energy production dead.
There are no media left to explain that American liquefied gas is actually poison for the planet. The worst source of energy, by far.
And with all mainstream media singing high praises on anything America, with the public invited to hate anything Russian, there is nobody left to ask questions to chancellor Scholz.
Hell, Nobody has even gotten around to asking why there no investigation into who did it. No investigation into to an act of terrorism in the same league as 9/11!
Posted by: Marvin | Sep 26 2023 14:58 utc | 13
American friend of mine living in France near Germany, fairly smart but also Russophobic to the max, believes the German promoted story involving Ukrainians in a small boat.
The pipelines are not buried they were encased in a relatively thin layer of concrete, no match for modern explosives, he says. A small boat could do it, he insists.
He thinks Hersh is past his sell-by date and was always a propagandist anyway. (I'm a Hersh subscriber and think he's a treasure.)
Friend also thinks Germans are very independent and Germany is not a vassal state or even client state of the USA. Though perhaps not quite as independent as the French.
Posted by: Charles Peterson | Sep 26 2023 14:59 utc | 14
i don't think olaf scholz is going to answer any questions! that is a laugh... no tough questions get asked of politicians today, thanks for corporate run and compliant media!
@ bevin | Sep 26 2023 14:41 utc | 5
i am sorry to say i think you are overly optimistic... i just don't see it myself..
Posted by: james | Sep 26 2023 15:01 utc | 15
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 26 2023 14:43 utc | 9
Who will ask questions? The totally enslaved media? What a laugh.
A totally enslaved media would've buried the story about Hunka, or reported only excuses for the tribute. Instead, the Hunka story has been leading headlines, with stories focused on condemnation of the tribute.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 26 2023 15:13 utc | 16
@ I thought everybody knew this.
Posted by: Bluedog57 | Sep 26 2023 14:31 utc | 1
Yeah, same here. I don't really see how this is news to anyone either. Particularly when the US, Nato and their neocon masters did everything they could to get the war started, and are all profiting very handsomely regardless of its outcome.
The same goes with Scholz et al. being in on it. Not sure which of his cucked Government or citizenry Scholz will have to answer to exactly: 12 months and barely anyone talks about it in Germany, let alone protests or demands any answers for it.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 26 2023 15:14 utc | 17
France and Netherlands are also partners in Nord Stream, so they would have to be bought off along with Germany. I have to wonder if the US paid off the French, Dutch, and German investors so that they don't sue for damages. Maybe the citizenry who have been impacted by the resultant higher gas prices could file a class-action suit against the US government?
Posted by: Explorator | Sep 26 2023 15:14 utc | 18
@ b who wrote
"
The German Chancellor Olaf Scholz will now have to answer some serious questions ...
"
As someone from Germany who has been watching all this unfold, do you really think that Scholz is going to be forced to admit anything?
Who will report it to the world?
You are the alternative media b. It is only you and a few others that are asking serious questions and feeding your barflies with the results.
Do folks really think that all of a sudden the MSM is going to start telling the truth because they are forced to? Who is doing the forcing and how does that work?
The bottom of the cliff is still a long ways off
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 26 2023 15:20 utc | 19
@Explorator | Sep 26 2023 15:14 utc | 19
Their share was half, about 5bn. For such a small amount the investors won't even dare to comment.
Posted by: rk | Sep 26 2023 15:22 utc | 20
Posted by: Charles Peterson | Sep 26 2023 14:59 utc | 15
American friend of mine living in France near Germany, fairly smart but also Russophobic to the max..He thinks Hersh is past his sell-by date and was always a propagandist anyway.
Does your friend vilify Russian people? Does he think that it wouldn't matter who was in charge of Russia? He'd need to do these things to be Russophobic.
Hersh is the Linus Pauling of journalism. In the past he reported very important stories such as the My Lai Massacre. But nowadays he reports Vitamin C diets...
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 26 2023 15:23 utc | 21
What's wrong with destruction of Nord Stream? We all need to cut on fossil fuels, and this was the largest fossil fuel pipeline into Europe, guaranteeing increased CO2 emissions for decades.
Posted by: Wandel | Sep 26 2023 15:28 utc | 22
Scholz will answer no questions. Who will ask questions? The totally enslaved media? What a laugh.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 26 2023 14:43 utc | 9
##############
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 26 2023 15:28 utc | 23
Posted by: Surferket | Sep 26 2023 14:41 utc | 4
N1&2 were bombed to make sure Shultz doesn't do an about face.
It wasn't concern about Schulz. Schulz is a US puppet and complicit. It was concern about any future German govt that would not act as a puppet.
Posted by: JT | Sep 26 2023 15:29 utc | 24
just as 9/11 had the pearl harbor effect of kicking off and justifying the WOT, the proxy war was provoked to end nord stream, Russia, rearrange the energy map of europe, and galvanize the power of NATO(a paper tiger) because even Trump was discussed pulling US from NATO.
Posted by: annie | Sep 26 2023 15:33 utc | 26
We all need to cut on fossil fuels, and this was the largest fossil fuel pipeline into Europe, guaranteeing increased CO2 emissions for decades.
Posted by: Wandel | Sep 26 2023 15:28 utc | 23
###############
Why are you calling them fossil fuels? I thought that theory was debunked.
If you want to reduce energy usage, log off. Be the change you want to see in the world.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 26 2023 15:36 utc | 27
Seymour Hersh just delivered another nothing burger. Thanks Sy.
Seriously there is nothing new, profound or surprising in anything he has just written, again. It was obvious the day they were blown up who did it and why. Who needed Hersh to remind us what Biden and Nuland had said about the pipelines before they were blown up? Or what everyone in the US from Mcain to Trump has said the decade before them? The motive had been out there forever already. Hersh is merely embellishing it a little giving it a literary polish to create an article so it looks like he has something to say, imo.
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 26 2023 15:37 utc | 28
The interesting question is why is Hersh trotting this out again now?
today is the 1 year anniversary of the terrorist attack.
Posted by: annie | Sep 26 2023 15:38 utc | 29
wrong with destruction of Nord Stream? We all need to cut on fossil fuels, and this was the largest fossil fuel pipeline into Europe, guaranteeing increased CO2 emissions for decades.
Posted by: Wandel | Sep 26 2023 15:28 utc | 23
Destruction of NS, have nothing to do with cutting fossil fuels. It will require Europe a decade or more to eliminate gas and oil. Meanwhile we are simply buying oil and gas from different producer, and sometimes, indirectly by Russia paying a nice price cap. Note that US sell their LNG in substitution of cheaper piped gas from Russia. LNG is also more CO2 impacting than piped gas.
Posted by: Mario | Sep 26 2023 15:38 utc | 30
A totally enslaved media would've buried the story about Hunka, or reported only excuses for the tribute. Instead, the Hunka story has been leading headlines, with stories focused on condemnation of the tribute.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 26 2023 15:13 utc | 17
There wasn't a peep of condemnation until the Jewish Org's rattled the cage. Then 'everything' changed.
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 26 2023 15:39 utc | 31
Trump was discussed pulling US from NATO.
Posted by: annie | Sep 26 2023 15:33 utc | 27
##############
Read "The Art of the Deal" to understand Trump. Everything he says is to manufacture leverage. He doesn't follow through on much of it. In any relationship, the party that can walk away holds all of the power. And that is the threat Trump was making. Before he said it, no leverage. Once he mentions it, all of the leverage.
Trump is very good at talking. Not so good at following through. He's quick to blame someone else or fall back on excuses.
Very American. All of the glory, none of the responsibility. Lots of chest beating and front running.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 26 2023 15:40 utc | 32
I still believe Germany will become a puppet nation of Russia.
Posted by: snake | Sep 26 2023 15:44 utc | 33
@ annie | Sep 26 2023 15:33 utc | 27
No. The US want to dismember Russia, tear it apart, collapse it's economy, and breakup it's territory into weaker Bantustans more easily controlled so then it's economic activity and oligarch's possessions can be taken over by western corporations and banks to the develop their resources there and flood those new smaller nations with IMF loans and western control mechanisms etc.
Nordstream is irrelevant to these bigger issues the US is using the Ukraine for. It's nothing a minor issue. imv at least. ymmv
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 26 2023 15:45 utc | 34
It will require Europe a decade or more to eliminate gas and oil.
Posted by: Mario | Sep 26 2023 15:38 utc | 31
Can't wait to see how that plan works for them.
Posted by: rk | Sep 26 2023 15:46 utc | 35
Hersh states: "Putin was in the process of annexing the four Ukrainian oblasts he wanted.“
Why didn't Hersh state instead that Putin was in process of annexing the four Ukrainian oblasts that had voted to become part of the Russian Federation?
Posted by: DavidC | Sep 26 2023 15:47 utc | 36
Will Europeans ever wake up?
Who is Europe's "real" enemy?
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2023 14:42 utc | 7
Right now.
The European political class and the EU apparachicks.
There's nothing but contempt and condescendion apparent in their dealings with people of Europe.
Posted by: jpc | Sep 26 2023 15:47 utc | 37
Actually Shultz doesn't have to answer anything. The Germans are too stupid and the world is too full of Kool-Aid.
Posted by: Surferket | Sep 26 2023 14:41 utc | 4
Sgt. Shultz and his team aren't doing so well in the polls these days. Dropped to 3rd place behind the CDU and the right wing AFD. The 3rd member of the traffic light coalition also dropped.
Only the greenies are holding @ 14% which suggests their supporters are either blinded by ideology or they like being told what they want doesn't matter because Baerbock made a promise to Ukraine and 'she' is going to keep her promise. To hell with democracy, whatever that is now.
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 26 2023 15:49 utc | 38
Mike Sheldon continues his investigation into US TIght Oil/Gas Production...
https://www.oilystuff.com/forumstuff/forum-stuff/oily-permian-gas-wells
The chart, From EIA, shows the Permian Basin is getting gassier and gassier.
In it, Permian liquids production peaked at ~ 65% at the end of 2017, declined to < 59 % now...
Mike Sheldon suggested in the past that Permian revenue streams are at, or approaching 50% liquids and 50% natgas and NGL's; in some pressure depleted, overdrilled sweet spots liquids is less than 50%. This is a big reason why well economics are declining and, in his opinion, why rig counts are going down, in spite of rising oil prices. If natgas and NGL's prices were to take a 25% jump in 4Q23, say because of winter, rigs would go back to work. In other words, what the Permian tight oil sector needs is higher natgas prices, not higher oil prices.
Decreasing percentage of C+C liquids is not a reversible trend and will only get worse. As you think about the future of your oil resources, either in America as a consumer, or overseas as a tight oil importer, don't get sucked back into the BOE bullshit. That is a meaningless metric.
Remember, please, that in pressure depletion environs, like shale carbonate SRV's, once bubble point is reached, liquids go down, gas goes up, plateaus for a while, then depletes too...and there is nothing left. The idea that the Permian tight oil play will produce economic volumes of associated gas for LNG exports for decades is very wrong. The APP Basin seems to now be in decline as well.
The liquids under discussion are basically gas condensate. This means primarily hydro carbons < C 12, basically good for petro-chemicals and gasoline, with little or no distillate production ( diesel ).
The US CIA/Norwegian Navy destroyed the NordStream pipelines to cut Russian Gas flows into the EU/NATO. Goal was to make EU/NATO dependent upon US Tight Gas to raise US NatGas prices to bail out oil patch..
Looks like within a few years, the resource will be in decline
Then the EU will be on it's own...
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 26 2023 15:50 utc | 39
An illustrative example to what Kissinger himself stated, how being an ally to the USA is fatal.
Any more deluded Central & Eastern Europeans willing to roll the dice with the USA? Germany has been cowed and complacent for a few decades, gleefully being the janitor with faith in a retirement pension (to be soon siphoned off). Georgia already tried its luck. Ukraine is apparently being roughed up in the alley for owing money to the house casino. Armenia seems to be at the table because they think they're special, or at least their bought elites do. Poland for the first time might balk at a bad idea, not wanting to be roughed up in the alley anymore like Ukraine, but it's still too early to tell. Feel free to add more to the list and share with others!
Anyone else terminally stupid and wanting to try to be the USA government's friend? Come, trust us! Our word is our bond! You'll know you can trust us by our respected treaties! Just ask our Natives! :)
(If you really want to help us Americans, stop being such fucking naive marks. You're dealing with criminal thugs who lord over us. Stop being easy targets feeding their rapine. Grow a spine and tell us no -- on everything! We need these S.O.B.s to run out of easy loot so we can bring them down over here. >:( The gravy train's derailment depends on you!)
Posted by: titmouse | Sep 26 2023 15:52 utc | 40
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 26 2023 15:23 utc | 22
But nowadays he reports Vitamin C diets...
----
Not to be picky, but Linus died in 1994. You've got a funny definition of "nowadays".
Posted by: john brewster | Sep 26 2023 15:55 utc | 41
The purpose of NATO is to keep Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 26 2023 15:56 utc | 42
Hersh states: "Putin was in the process of annexing the four Ukrainian oblasts he wanted.“Why didn't Hersh state instead that Putin was in process of annexing the four Ukrainian oblasts that had voted to become part of the Russian Federation?
Posted by: DavidC | Sep 26 2023 15:47 utc | 37
Good catch!
Because he is just another American Fraud ... that's why. He is not a truth teller, he is obviously lying about what Putin "wanted" ... spinning his "tale for sale".
Hersh is another manipulator and self-serving like almost all American journalists today are. Just because he's "independent" now, doesn't mean he isn't still 'Owned' by the Deep State.
Hersh loves the CIA and the US Military and that they do for his America ... don't kid yourself people. ;-)
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 26 2023 15:56 utc | 43
Bemildred @ 2 & 8, Rubiconned @ 18 -
This is approaching the one year anniversary, plus Winter weather. It's the perfect time to generate some publicity about the Nordstream pipelines' destruction. With a year's further developments and increasing frustration among the populace, a little reminder is well timed. Makes me wonder if Seymour is taking sides...
Posted by: Paul Spencer | Sep 26 2023 15:57 utc | 44
The Game Risk and the SMO
I've played the game Risk for 50 years. Any of you whom have played the game can remember this set up: say there are three guys left in the game-two of the players are trying to fight over the Europe/Asian border or North America/Europe with each other and it is a war of attrition.
Meanwhile the guy holding Oceania (Australia) or South America just eking out conquering one country to get his card while amassing his armies. Then when the two other opponents have spent themselves fighting each other Oceania takes over the world.
Its an entertainment example of the Thucydides Trap but we are now observing the phenomena in real time- Russia/US grappling with each other while China collects his cards...
Posted by: Wandel | Sep 26 2023 15:28 utc | 23
What's wrong with destruction of Nord Stream? We all need to cut on fossil fuels, and this was the largest fossil fuel pipeline into Europe, guaranteeing increased CO2 emissions for decades.
It's fine to reduce CO2 emissions, but destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines merely shifted the source of natural gas from Russia to America. An improvement for American gas producers, but no gain for the environment. And a large cost to European industry, especially in Germany.
Posted by: Clever Dog | Sep 26 2023 16:03 utc | 46
What we are seeing is that all manner of pro US, carefully chosen, educated in America leaders are feeling the ground under their feet shaking as the policies that they pursue become constly to the people they puport to represent.
article by Dsamiel Lazare goes well with Hersh's.
https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1459/investigations-drag-on-and-on/
Posted by: bevin | Sep 26 2023 14:41 utc | 5
------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry about the typos- its not dyslexia but.. I'm too cheap to replace my old keyboard with all the characters rubbed off.
Posted by: bevin | Sep 26 2023 14:44 utc | 10
-------------------------------------------------
Not to worry it is the contents that counts and it does.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 26 2023 16:04 utc | 47
"Trump is very good at talking. Not so good at following through. He's quick to blame someone else or fall back on excuses." - Agreed.
However: even though Trump never built a wall, never did anything about birthright citizenship, etc.etc., he did substantially reduce immigration. Maybe only by accident, but he did do that. And at the very least, he did not declare open war on the American people and allow a foreign invasion.
As ridiculous as Trump is, I am voting for him, if only because he has not declared outright war on the American nation.
Posted by: TG | Sep 26 2023 16:06 utc | 48
@ Lavrov's Dog 29
"Seymour Hersh just delivered another nothing burger. Thanks Sy.
Seriously there is nothing new, profound or surprising in anything he has just written, again. It was obvious the day they were blown up who did it and why."
I think you are trolling, and IIRC, not for the first time.
Hersch had very specific details of exactly how the pipelines were blown up, and no one else did. Of course this is classic Seymour Hersch acting as an extremely unofficial spokesperson for the CIA, but it's still valuable information.
What's new in Hersch's report this week is more precise dating of when the decisions were made and carried out.
Nuland's statement that the German "leadership" was informed of everything long before the actual sabotage is news to me. Even if it's just a reminder, it was worth repeating.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 26 2023 16:07 utc | 49
> The White House fear was that Putin would get Germany under his thumb and then he was going to get Poland.
I think it's better to rephrase this into the form at the end of the quote: "And thus followed the ultimate fear: that America would lose its long-standing primacy in Western Europe."
The obvious problem in all of this is that people are denying agency to Western Europe. They're treating it as an object to be taken, not as people to live with.
Posted by: rert | Sep 26 2023 16:09 utc | 50
@ bubbles | Sep 26 2023 15:49 utc | 39
imv it doesn't matter who forms the govt in Germany ... the AfD won't be any different if they win next elections .... they will all end up doing the same things anyway because they don't have a choice or an alternative short of war trying to kick all the US Military put of their country ... which would automatically trigger a complete financial meltdown for them and the EU worse than is already coming now.
That would actually be a very good thing for them and the people overall, but none of the political parties have the guts or the wisdom to do it.
The system is self-sustaining ... the people calling themselves politicians or Chancellor are powerless to change anything now. Just look at how the Greeks folded when they had the debt problem with the EU/Germany and the Left party SYRIZA was in power threatening to leave the EURO ... the Germans are now like the Greeks.
Powerless.
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 26 2023 16:10 utc | 51
Who will ask questions?
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 26 2023 14:43 utc | 9
---
Dr. Wagenknecht asked questions. The response to her request to the Ministry of Economic Affairs and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs was refused, citing national security interests.
Posted by: Nobody | Sep 26 2023 16:10 utc | 52
Looks like within a few years, the resource will be in decline
Then the EU will be on it's own...
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 26 2023 15:50 utc | 40
Read an article recently which discussed directly related topics, saying both the Bakken and Eagle Ford areas are in decline and have been for some time. Only the Permian basin still had capacity for growth for a while. Believe the source was the CEO of Continental resources and he said the US gov't has to make financial support available to the oil Co's if they are to increase output and maintain US energy independence.
Always chuckle when Corporate leaders pull out the begging bowl and head to Washington.
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 26 2023 16:13 utc | 53
The fact that the empire sees no other way to control its vassal than through acts of sabotage is another sign of weakness and decline. The decline is inevitable, but they are still in the denial stage. Let's hope they reach the acceptance stage before they do something really crazy like use nukes. But who knows, they used nukes around the beginning of their empire and they might choose to go out with a final nuclear bang.
Posted by: aquileia | Sep 26 2023 16:15 utc | 54
@ JessDTruth | Sep 26 2023 16:07 utc | 50
I am not trolling, that's just hand-waving ridiculous. Be serious.
Why would you believe Sy is telling the truth about what Nuland told the europeans in the first place?
He packaged upa great 'story' on Nordstream when no one else had anything. His track record carried the article as credible. My opinion, whether you like it or not, is that he hasn't had a single thing worth saying since, and this latest is weaker.
My opinion is this is a nothing burger - ala it amounts to nothing at all. That's my genuine opinion and that doesn't make me a troll. You must be confusing me with someone else.
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 26 2023 16:17 utc | 55
Everyone focuses mainly on the USA, which they are right; however there is an important piece of the puzzle which is yet to be revealed and that includes an additional culprit in the strategy and planning of this unprecedented terrorist attack.
Posted by: AI | Sep 26 2023 16:20 utc | 56
That (breaking Europe's "pipeline" to cheap Russian gas) is also a big part of the war in Ukraine.
Posted by: El Rucio | Sep 26 2023 16:23 utc | 57
@ LoveDonbass 33
?Trump is very good at talking. Not so good at following through. He's quick to blame someone else or fall back on excuses. ... Lots of chest beating and front running."
This is an important analysis of Trump, away from the glare of his other faults. Your analysis even partly explains some of his other flaws - and his bigger crimes like murdering Soleimani.
But the problem is that Trump is the best candidate of what's out there. RFK Jr. is owned by the .01% billionaires, including both the Koch brothers and Bill Gates, as evidenced by a fundraising dinner they gave him. So RFKJ s a limited hangout, a dead-end for democracy. As I've said before, in the US, "electoral politics" is a tar baby, as in the Brer Rabbit tale. A criminal MSM has pushed "Hope And Change" (Obama's mantra) too many times and "the next elecctions" never changes anything. Like George Carlin said, "If voting could change things, it would be illegal." We need a long-term plan which can grow strong roots. Anything less can't survive the coming storm of a crumbled empire.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 26 2023 16:24 utc | 58
Probably his sources, but his continued painting of a good CIA and bad Biden is still somewhat suspect in my mind.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 26 2023 16:24 utc | 59
Nord-Stream bombing
MH-17
Maidan Coup
Russian did it. Bad Russia..very bad russia... go to the corner.
Here in Canada ... Smoking is good ... gender affirmation is awesome.
I think I have stepped into a parallel world. All the myriad ways.
Posted by: Angelo | Sep 26 2023 16:25 utc | 60
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2023 14:42 utc | 7
Party of Venice/City of London
Posted by: GEORGE CHAMBERLAIN | Sep 26 2023 16:28 utc | 61
As someone from Germany who has been watching all this unfold, do you really think that Scholz is going to be forced to admit anything? [...] The bottom of the cliff is still a long ways off
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 26 2023 15:20 utc | 20
Well said, you nailed it. Tomorrow will be the same as today.
This article and Hersh's article and his next one too isn't going to change a damn thing. Bar a few people here hopefully being just a little wiser and more knowledgeable overall.
But Germany won't be changing one bit - or Scholtz, and he won't have any tough questions to answer either. It will all blow away as quickly as a Nazi getting a standing ovation in Canada's parliament disappears from the collective memory. :-)
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 26 2023 16:30 utc | 62
We need a long-term plan which can grow strong roots. Anything less can't survive the coming storm of a crumbled empire.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 26 2023 16:24 utc | 59
############
Sound thinking.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 26 2023 16:31 utc | 63
What a time to be alive. For almost the entirety of history the fall of empires was something you could only experience via history books. Even if you lived through them you would have had very little contextual information that allowed you to gain any understanding in real time. But here we are, able to watch the decline and fall of the US play out in day-to-day detail.
Posted by: Lex | Sep 26 2023 16:31 utc | 64
@ Lavrov's Dog | Sep 26 2023 16:17 utc | 56
Agree that there is nothing new to those of us 'reasonably' in the know.
What it does is it raises the event again - and maybe more Europeans [as I am] will take some notice ...
Hudson on keeping Germany down and the strategy of keeping Germany and Russia apart are nothing new ... parts of the once 'great game' - Europe has lost it abysmally.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2023 16:32 utc | 65
imv it doesn't matter who forms the govt in Germany ... the AfD won't be any different if they win next elections .
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 26 2023 16:10 utc | 52
Maybe so, but doesn't it seem strange how the political establishment and their media spox get their knickers all in a knot every time they speak about the rise of said party? What are they afraid of if what you say is the likely outcome of them forming gov't or being part of a coalition?
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 26 2023 16:33 utc | 66
"the 98 year old SS volunteer whose boots were licked by Trudeau et al."
Canada's ruling party, "Liberals" have tabled a vote to ERASE the record of the Standing Ovation for the Ukrainian Nazi for "killing Russians during WWII". Conveniently overlooking that the USSR was Canada's Allie against the NAZIs. Many Canadians were killed by the SS in Italy.
It is one thing to erase History, but erasing History which Canadian Politicians never knew in the first place, and clapped like Meth-Head Chipmunks because Zelensky brought the old Nazi into Canada's Parliament, requires a new Yardstick to measure the dullards that control Canada.
Posted by: kupkee | Sep 26 2023 16:33 utc | 67
A year later and still hearing about this?
Forget about it.
The rest of the World has.
A “distraction” piece, nothing else.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 26 2023 16:35 utc | 68
The Game Risk and the SMO
I've played the game Risk for 50 years.
Its an entertainment example of the Thucydides Trap but we are now observing the phenomena in real time- Russia/US grappling with each other while China collects his cards...
Posted by: canuck | 46
Yo Yo Yo Canuck. I've played risk for 50 years as well. 7 hours was the longest with 6-7 players. Lots of beer and a couple of toots.
My experience was that when someone was about to be terminated of the board... watch out...chances are they will cheat.
Just like Life.
Posted by: Angelo | Sep 26 2023 16:36 utc | 69
bubbles | Sep 26 2023 16:33 utc | 67
I hear you. The way I see it, is every party thinks they should be in Govt. The individuals get paid more especially if they are a minister. Of course they are going to bad mouth the AfD because they want to win the elections and not them .... what I am saying is even if the AfD win the election and form Govt they will still not be any different, the same as Syriza were no different despite their big promising Left leaning pro-Freedom for Greece anti-Eurozone/EU election platform ... once in Govt they had no choice against overwhelming Power - neither will the AfD have a choice except on the margins of "social policy" ... see what I mean?
Germany is now extremely reliant upon the US in ways never before because it has been seriously weakened. And they know it.
For example since when was the German Green Party so Pro-War, Pro-USA, and Pro-Military spending on steroids?
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 26 2023 16:44 utc | 70
Here is my opinion. Gas coming from the US is not permanent. TPTB (Jewish) want to control the world. In order to do that, they need to control all money and finance and natural resources of our planet. In order to control resources, they have to control Russia, break it down into several small nations. So they are pulling all stops to do such. This is why they destroyed the pipelines in the hope that they could export their depleting gas reserves to Europe long enough to break Russia’s economy down, do a color revolution, take over Russia’s oil and gas resources, repair the pipelines, and then ship the gas to Europe and wherever else and claim these monetary prophets rather than Russia. This is the real reason for the Ukrainian war. This is why Biden said as long as it takes as far as Ukraine is concerned. This is why he is determined to give as much money and amo to Ukraine as necessary. He figures in his stupidity that this will break Russia.
Posted by: Boxwoodtree | Sep 26 2023 16:44 utc | 71
Nobody in Germany is realy interested in fate of NS2.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 26 2023 16:46 utc | 72
Indy @ 40 -
Good post. Sheldon's data is determinative. Permian Basin petroleum will be unobtainable soon. In areas of that oil patch where gas pressure was pissed away long ago, the drillers used high-pressure, high-temperature water to raise the oil. Early farmers and ranchers could dig their wells by hand 100+ years ago; by the 1960s the average water table was 300-400 feet deep. (Also due to sulfur extraction and, later, cotton farming). The only water left is Ogallala acquirer, and I don't think that even Texas officials will let them mine that too deeply.
Posted by: Paul Spencer | Sep 26 2023 16:51 utc | 73
@ 70
"Yo Yo Yo Canuck. I've played risk for 50 years as well. 7 hours was the longest with 6-7 players. Lots of beer and a couple of toots."
Wow! A perfect description of the Biden/ NATO/ Ukrainian war room.
Posted by: Golddigger | Sep 26 2023 16:55 utc | 74
While it is fun to imagine, I find it hard to understand why there would be a single reporter with access to sources supplying inside information that that counters US claims and puts US in bad light (well, reality does that as well). Seems like some Q-Anon stuff.
Posted by: jared | Sep 26 2023 16:58 utc | 75
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 26 2023 15:23 utc | 22
But nowadays he reports Vitamin C diets...
Perhaps you’re unaware, but Linus Pauling was awarded his Nobel Prize for his work regarding Vitamin C long before he began political/social commentary, when he stepped out of his lane ala Noam Chomsky, a theoretical linguist. Typical US academic, believing that his opinions outside of his expertise are worth more than those of others.
Re NS: The coming El Nino winter may reawaken German minds.
Posted by: Ciaran | Sep 26 2023 16:58 utc | 76
I also want to add that I believe the primary reason for destroying the Soviet Union was for the Jewish oligarchs to steal Soviet companies for pennies on the dollar while weakening all Soviet nations so that they could not present a challenge to the next phase of their plans. This is why the majority of Russian Jews went to the United States instead of Israel. This also goes for European Jews after the Second World War. Their monetary machinations made the US a rich and powerful nation and they intended to use this powerful nation as their main battering ram in their quest for world domination. Of course they didn’t figure on the rise of a man like Vladimir Putin. AH, the plans of mice and men.
Posted by: Boxwoodtree | Sep 26 2023 17:01 utc | 77
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 26 2023 16:30 utc | 63
germany is already changing a bit, it's paying higher prices for gas. which makes the population more likely to protest and weakens leaders like Scholz.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 26 2023 17:01 utc | 78
, the same as Syriza were no different despite their big promising Left leaning pro-Freedom for Greece anti-Eurozone/EU election platform ... once in Govt they had no choice against overwhelming Power - neither will the AfD have a choice except on the margins of "social policy" ... see what I mean?
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 26 2023 16:44 utc | 71
Not really. I get your drift so to speak but Syriza might as well have inherited a corpse considering the mess Greece was in thanks to the banker cabal and their enablers. Germany for all it's warts isn't Greece and there is a strong economic base to work with and citizens with a very different mindset and habits.
Some courage would be required of course like turning the nuclear plants back on to start with if that's still possible. As for their Green party, it's difficult to understand their behaviour except if one considers the age old tactic of bribery. Vut's your price?
Btw I'm not advocating for the Afd, I don't know a great deal about them, and my main point was Sgt. Shultz is in pretty rough seas politically and may soon find himself rowing a life boat to friendlier shores. The CDU appear to be headed back to power (27%)judging by the polls but they would likely need the Afd who is polling 22% in order to form a government. Afd are making inroads in regional elections as well. Hearing the shrieking from the establishment hearkens back to trump syndrome in the US, so who knows?
We live in interesting times.
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 26 2023 17:07 utc | 79
Lavrov's Dog, #35 No. The US want to dismember Russia
so, it wasn't good enough for you that i expressed US wanted to end Russia. one way to "dismember" it would be to cut it off from europe, but i believe Russia has found a way around that.
LoveDonbass #33 i think you're missing the point about Trump discussing NATO. it was a huge deal to even introduce the idea of US scaling back, and h clinton made it into a bigger deal. it's the first time i ever heard a politician discussing it, and regardless of you or i think of trump, people listen to him.
Halperin, March 23: Should America be the leader of NATO or not necessarily?Trump: I think NATO may be obsolete. NATO was set up a long time ago — many, many years ago when things were different. Things are different now. We were a rich nation then. We had nothing but money. We had nothing but power. And you know, far more than we have today, in a true sense. And I think NATO — you have to really examine NATO. And it doesn’t really help us, it’s helping other countries. And I don’t think those other countries appreciate what we’re doing.
Heilemann: So, just to be clear, you made two slightly different arguments there and I just want to clarify. One of them is that you might want to see the U.S. pay less money into NATO because …
Trump: That one definitely. That one definitely.
Heilemann: But it’s possible that NATO is obsolete and should be gotten rid of?
Trump: It’s possible. It’s possible. I would certainly look at it. And I’d want more help from other people. The one thing definitely — we’re paying too much. As to whether or not it’s obsolete, I’ll make that determination.
Posted by: annie | Sep 26 2023 17:13 utc | 80
The EU countries now buy the majority of Russian supplies, thereby securing one of the Kremlin's most important sources of income. Between January and July 2023, the EU bought 52% of all Russian LNG exports, compared to 49% in 2022 and 39% in 2021.
https://www.agrarheute.com/energie/gas/europa-importiert-massenweise-fluessiggas-lng-russland-610711
Posted by: Aldi | Sep 26 2023 17:15 utc | 81
i would nothing better than a movement in both the US and Europe to dismantle Nato and i can't think of anything more likely to result in that than the war in ukraine. crossing my fingers.
Posted by: annie | Sep 26 2023 17:21 utc | 82
bubbles is right.
The questions aren't going to come from the media. Not yet, not until they are left with no alternative but to ask them.
The questions are going to come from the unemployed, the short time workers and the service industries coping with declining demand. Jobs are already being lost, and at a time when Ukrainians and other refugees are beginning to pour onto the job market.
And those aren't the only jobs at stake: elections are coming. And so is the AfD. It won't be long before the Left wakes up too and realises that this isn't a war about freedom and democracy, any more than the wars in Iraq and Libya were. It's a war for Full Spectrum Domination with reduction of the populace to serfdom as the final objective.
To put it another way: the SPD, now at about 15% in the polls is going to lose a lot of well paid sinecures in the Bundestag and downwards to the municipalities. And the (Brown Coal) Greens are going to have to change too to survive. The 'sell by' date on the Green label is expired.
The public seems to be reconciled to enjoying a bit of pain- a small price to pay for the thrill of Victory- but it will draw the line when the cuts get close to the bone and the future, once so bright, looks bleak and cold. And the cost of heating, that elemental source of comfort, is prohibitive.
Posted by: bevin | Sep 26 2023 17:23 utc | 83
Lavrov's Dog, #35 No. The US want to dismember Russia
Dismembering Russia, if even possible, is risky business. US may end up to a bunch of 'indipedent' republics with a fare share of nuclear weapons each.
Posted by: Mario | Sep 26 2023 17:23 utc | 84
Yo Yo Yo Canuck. I've played risk for 50 years as well. 7 hours was the longest with 6-7 players. Lots of beer and a couple of toots.
My experience was that when someone was about to be terminated of the board... watch out...chances are they will cheat.
Just like Life.
Yes, that was my experience too-hard to cheat with the dice, one has to watch the cards. My longest game was on January 1, 1985 on my late mother's kitchen table in Bristol England-13 hours-my 'best' buddy started the game with only one purpose-to destroy me. I held him off for 12 hours but he prevailed over me and the third man, and Oceania won.
We imbibed many scotches and a few cannabis joints listrening to Lou Reed cassete tape....
Is Seymour Hersh a "real" journalist? Is Julian Assange a real journalist?
What is journalism in the current mileau? This cannot be answered by the purchased media. It will need to be put on the table and dissected by people who want real information. Kind of like what goes on at MOA on a daily basis.
Who is in jail and who is making residuals on their reporting?
Legitimacy my ass.
Posted by: Ronnie James | Sep 26 2023 17:31 utc | 86
@ Lavrov's Dog 52 and 56
Hersch has a long track record of leaking stories someone in the Deep State wanted released, like the My Lai massacre 50 years ago. Herssch was un-personed and de-platformed because he told the truth about Ghouta in Syria - in 2019 IIRC. Consequently, Hersch has to work hard to get his voice heard in the alternative media. Did I say trolling ? Yeah, because normal people don't attack someone for saying the same thing twice. Actually Hersch has had more to say recently, so it's not repetition.
I also don't buy your comparison of AfD and Syriza.
I fell hard, very hard, for the Syriza astroturf back in 2008, 2009. Only in hindsight did I realize the significance of the fact that Varoufakis had been helicoptered in from a professorship in Australia. When Syriza came to power, Tsipras and Varoufakis together went and made their pitch for rescheduling Greek debt, in front of a bunch of NPC Euro-bankers. The bankers’ total silence called Syriza's bluff. I read Varoufakis’ version of what happened and I think his version was complete. What mattered is that Syriza didn’t make any counter-move whatsoever. Varoufakis said he couldn't believe the non-response, but he never mentioned making a counter-move. That was a sh-t-show for the fake leftist party. Greek voters woke up and voted them out, but Varoufakis still spouts his stuff to some dumb-a**es. The “cherry on the top” is that Tsipras appointed Stefanos Kasselakis as his successor, a gay man from Goldman Sachs, who went to America as a teenager and never returned. That shows Tsipras was always a proxy for the bankers. Link to The Guardian (!!!) – but it's the horse’s own mouth
The one comparison with Germany that holds water, is that the mainstream "Socialist" parties in both countries are 100% discredited, but especially so in Greece because the “Socialists” were massively corrupt and never delivered on their promises. One family controlled the Greek “Socialists” since 1920.
As for AfD, Alternative for Deutschland, I'm even more of an outsider, although I sometimes follow speeches in the Bundestag when it’s fiery speeches by the Die Linke and AfD spokeswomen. Yes, AfD is soft-spoken on the atrocities of Ukraine and other topics as well, but AfD says a lot more than the parties which are 200% complicit in those crimes, or Die Linke which is maybe 80% complicit. But I have to give AfD (and even Die Linke) something of a “free pass” because I know there is no Free Speech in Germany, so AfD has to tread with great care. This year, a German court gave a woman 3 years in prison for merely dancing the Kalinka in public. Some graete democracy they got there, just still has those ugly brown stains. At least one powerful German official is calling for an outright ban on the AfD, falsely claiming they are some sort of Nazis, mainly because the AfD wants to reduce the flow of refugees into Germany. Hell, real Nazis from the Ukraine get celebrated by the German government. Double standard doesn’t begin to describe it ! Is it even legal to discuss a concept like “The Great Replacement” in Germany ? OF course many nations have to be wary of militaristic nationalism and a resurgence of fascism. But AfD is authentic populism, and the elite who want to suppress it are the ones who have ties to real fascism.
Unlike Syriza, I’ve never seen anything to suggest that AfD has connections to the global elite or any foreign power. And that makes all the difference. Oh wait... one more difference: Syriza is dead as a party, while AfD is polling better than ever. #1 or #2. I'd be just as happy if Der Linke were to come to power, but I've read the polls and Die Linke has less chance to really change Germany than dos AfD.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 26 2023 17:43 utc | 87
Just look at how the Greeks folded when they had the debt problem with the EU/Germany and the Left party SYRIZA was in power threatening to leave the EURO
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Sep 26 2023 16:10 utc | 52
---------------------------------------------------------
Well before that, Papandreou canceled a scheduled plebiscite which polls indicated would have removed Greece from the EU. The EU educated Papandreou was persuaded by Brussels to cancel the plebiscite. What are friends for. Oxbridge works the same way.
Christine LaGarde then finished of the Greeks, who reminded the Germans of the 'London Agreement of 1954.' Well worth looking up.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 26 2023 17:44 utc | 89
I'm fairly sure that MK Bhadrakumar at Indian Punchline said the US Govt. did this to ' shut the door' on any possible German Russian rapprochement. Must have been a while ago...
Looks like others share his view.
Frankly considering how Scholz puts up with absolutely everything from the Biden shit show, I can only think the CIA has some really good kompromat on him. Cum ex flavor, perhaps?
Posted by: Judge Barbier | Sep 26 2023 17:51 utc | 90
Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 26 2023 15:50 utc | 40--
Thanks very much for posting that report as it's exactly the sort of evidence needed to say the last portion of b's posting is fantasyland stuff. I yet again cite this table of proven nat gas reserves that shows at the current extraction rate the US has an arithmetical 15 years of proven reserves remaining (look at footnote #11 for a more recent total than what the chart says). But depletion rates don't work out nice and even in a constantly declining slope on a graph. And again, there's absolutely no movement to deal with what is essentially the peak in gas by developing Alaskan resources in the way Russia's developing its Arctic, which is one of the reasons behind my reporting on them at my substack.
Some will have missed this article I linked to yesterday about the history of Soviet/Russian pipeline gas, "Power of Siberia" where it concludes that Russia anticipates the eventual return of European use of Russian pipeline gas, which is still being used by key Central European nations. What has greatly increased is European imports of Russian LNG, which will always be cheaper than US gas because it doesn't have to be shipped as far. The project at Yamal is just the current one; there will be others constructed over the next several decades as Russia's reserves are about double what the chart reports with more to be discovered.
Clearly between Russia, Iran, Qatar, and Turkmenistan, gas will be the primary fuel used for future development. The Heartland holds most of the future's fuel and the Outlaw US Empire knows it and can't abide by that reality.
As for AfD, Alternative for Deutschland, I'm even more of an outsider...
Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 26 2023 17:43 utc | 88
---
As a quick introduction for those who do not know yet. The AfD stands for laissez faire neoliberalism and far-right populism on steroids. The declared main enemy of the AfD is the statutory minimum wage and social programs of all kinds that hinder capitalists from uninhibited exploitation.
Posted by: Nobody | Sep 26 2023 17:58 utc | 92
Here's a look at the geopolitical theory behind the American fear of being kicked off the Eurasian world-island that led to the Nord Stream attack:
https://www.beyondwasteland.net/p/ordered-off-the-world-island
It's has been said many ways and many times, by persons of high political and financial influence over the last several decades that Europe had to get off the Russian energy tit. Everyone has been extremely open about it.
This has always been the main purpose of the war for the west. The destruction of the NS pipelines was part of the senario.
The interesting question is given all that's happened, will Europe ever get off the Russian energy tit once hostilities are over???
Maybe buying Russian oil and gas will be how the EU makes its reparation payments?
Posted by: Jerr | Sep 26 2023 18:07 utc | 94
NS1+2 story is just a business dispute between USA and RUS. Even Trump said that there will be no NS2 and warned RUS and GER. He was protecting his voters and sponsors (probably). So Biden just keeps carrying Trump's big stick. Imagine that NS1+2 are operating nowadays. What would be happening right now? USA gas industry wouldn't be able to sell its gas and its price in the US would be negative. Interest rates are 5%p.a. Many US nat gas drillers are financially weak companies which pay 3% to 5% margin on top of those 5%. Right now USA would be going through another high yield credit crisis like in 2016 with nat gas companies going bust and investors losing hunderds of billion dollars. That would start 2023 bank crisis 2.0 (1.0 we watched this spring) and Great financial crisis 2.0 (1.0 hit in 2008). NS1+2 destruction bought Biden one more year before US economy tanks under high interest rates. What was original sense of EU's Green Deal? Insulate EU from energy blackmail from all three major suppliers - USA, RUS, Middle East. That was the time when EU was dreaming about becoming a federalized super power. RIP European super power pipe dream.
Posted by: J_Schneider | Sep 26 2023 18:09 utc | 95
Posted by: J_Schneider | Sep 26 2023 18:09 utc | 96
The greatest act of ecoterrorism. Just a business dispute. You're a crypto Dem. Just come out and say Schneider.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 26 2023 18:15 utc | 96
Posted by: Wandel | Sep 26 2023 15:28 utc | 23
"We all need to cut on fossil fuels"
As other commenters have said, Germany is just replacing cheap Russian methane with more expensive (and less green) US LNG.
But who's we, paleface? Did you know 2022 was the all time record year for coal burning?
"Global coal use is set to rise by 1.2% in 2022, surpassing 8 billion tonnes in a single year for the first time and eclipsing the previous record set in 2013, according to Coal 2022, the IEA’s latest annual market report on the sector. Based on current market trends, the report forecasts that coal consumption will then remain flat at that level through 2025 as declines in mature markets are offset by continued robust demand in emerging Asian economies. This means coal will continue to be the global energy system’s largest single source of carbon dioxide emissions by far."
"declines in mature markets are offset by continued robust demand in emerging Asian economies"
In other words, China will burn lots of coal to make car batteries, solar panels, wind turbines and heat pumps to sell to the West. And we'll all say that's Green.
What about that other fossil fuel we're not buying from Russia, oil?
https://www.iea.org/reports/oil-market-report-august-2023
"World oil demand is scaling record highs, boosted by strong summer air travel, increased oil use in power generation and surging Chinese petrochemical activity. Global oil demand is set to expand by 2.2 mb/d to 102.2 mb/d in 2023, with China accounting for more than 70% of growth."
Basically we in Europe are paying through the nose while China fills her boots with cheap energy, which she uses to corner the market in solar panels, batteries and electric cars. I knew the #2 and #3 UK electric cars were Chinese (MG and Polestar), but I didn't realise the Tesla 3s (#1) came in from a Chinese plant as well.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 26 2023 18:17 utc | 97
Posted by: Ciaran | Sep 26 2023 16:58 utc | 77
Pauling won the Nobel for the nature of the chemical bond, not for Vitamin C. He was also in competion for finding the structure of DNA, beaten out by Watson and Crick.
The Europeans will need to take their vitamin C and Zinc, as well as vitamin D this winter, though. Pauling was a great advocate of vitamin C for general health, apparently, not just cold viruses.
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Sep 26 2023 18:24 utc | 98
Exploding NS2 was not intended to stop the war in Ukraine.
True, but perhaps seen through the wrong end of the telescope.
We can also conclude from SyHersh's article that the war in Ukraine was started so that NS2 could be blown up (without protest in Europe).
Nobody want to know in Germany?
Yes, nobody but.....AfD.
AfD is asking WoDonIt and the good others questions and working hard for many years. For exemple filing a motion in Bundestag in 2020
"Protection against the restriction of the Federal Republic of Germany's political freedom of decision by sanctions imposed by foreign states, especially against the background of sanctions against the Nord Stream Baltic Sea pipeline".Schutz vor der Beschränkung der politischen Entscheidungsfreiheit der Bundesrepublik Deutschland durch Sanktionen fremder Staaten, insbesondere vor dem Hintergrund von Sanktionen gegen die Ostsee-Pipeline Nord Stream“
https://www.bundestag.de/dokumente/textarchiv/2020/kw47-de-nord-stream-804244
No more choice for Germany. Blow up your own political "Elite" by voting AfD in.
Even Without Spell on it.
Just as NS2.
Blowin' it in the wind
****
If the project to blow NS2 was presented so early to the Biden team, do you really think that the general project doesn't date from well before his "election"?
Posted by: La Bastille | Sep 26 2023 18:25 utc | 99
Posted in wrong thread should be here. Sorry
Exceot the EU was already (before the demwnted oipe bomber did NS2) dependant on resonably priced energy from Russia. Its the only reason Ger was able to become a manufaturing giant. No? Am i wrong here?
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 26 2023 18:32 utc | 100
The comments to this entry are closed.
I thought everybody knew this.
Posted by: Bluedog57 | Sep 26 2023 14:31 utc | 1