Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
September 2, 2023
France Can Only Be An Independent Power If It Learns To Push Back

The AUKUS deal was an illogical strategic submission of Australia as it will bankrupt the country by buying U.S. nuclear submarines. They are only nominally for Australia's security but will stay at least informally under U.S. command.

A major point of the deal was that it screwed France which had a big contract with Australia to build conventional submarines for it. The French Foreign Minister said it was "a stab in the back". France wasn't even informed of the deal but learned of it from the press.

That the U.S. would screw France, a big European NATO ally, for its own political and economic purpose is not necessarily unprecedented, but to do it as publicly and open as the AUKUS deal did should have been a big wake-up call.

Unfortunately the French President Macron and his government went back to sleep and gave the U.S. the opportunity to screw France again.

It did so with AFRICOM, the U.S. instrument to undermine African countries through military 'cooperation'.

France has big interest in Africa where some of its former colonies, Françafrique, are bound to it by using a currency, the CFA Franc, that is solely under French government control.


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The U.S. used its training of African officer to subtly find and train people it could work with. An astonishing number of these officer were later involved in coups which often turned out to be anti-French and pro-American:

[S]ince 2008 U.S.-trained officers have attempted at least nine coups, and succeeded in at least eight in five West African countries alone: Three times in Burkina Faso; three times in Mali; and once each in Guinea, Mauritania, and the Gambia.

U.S. training and support to the region flows through the State Department and Africa Command, an arm of the Department of Defense, in charge of military operations across the continent.

Since the above was written Niger has followed:

Brig. Gen Moussa Barmou, the American-trained commander of the Nigerien special operations forces, beamed as he embraced a senior U.S. general visiting the country’s $100 million, Washington-funded drone base in June.

Six weeks later, Barmou helped oust Niger’s democratically elected president.

For U.S. military officers and diplomats, it’s become an all-too-familiar — and deeply frustrating — story.

Niger is one of several West African countries where U.S. military-trained officers have seized control since 2021, including Burkina Faso, Guinea, and Mali. Some coup leaders have had close relationships with their American trainers, whose mentorship included lessons on safeguarding democracy and human rights along with military tactics.

Ohh – please spare me the 'safeguarding democracy' crocodile tears. They are really over the top. The U.S. has a big military base in Niger and that, and the influence it brings with it, is all that counts.

After the coup the French military contingent in Niger and its ambassador were told to leave while the big U.S. drone base is likely to stay.

Is that a bad outcome for the U.S. or the result of a plan?

The U.S. has strategic interests in Africa and, as the former RAND and CIA analyst and senior fellow of the Atlantic Council Michael Shurkin writes, it wants France to move out:

I have cheered French efforts to help the countries of the Sahel — most notably Burkina Faso, Mali and Niger — to defend themselves against jihadist insurgencies affiliated with Al Qa’eda or the Islamic State.

And yet, the only reasonable conclusion to draw now is that France should close its bases and go.

The problem, as has been made clear by recent events in Niger, is that whatever France does, good or bad, provokes an allergic reaction from populations long conditioned to be suspicious of French motives and assume the worst.

Whether this anti-French sentiment is fair or not is entirely beside the point. Ties with France have now become a kiss of death for African governments — a phenomenon demonstrated by the fate of Niger’s President Mohamed Bazoum.

Oh well. Who has created Al Qa’eda and the Islamic State? Who has moved them from west-Asia into Africa?

Yes, France has kept some of its colonial bad habits and influences and some people really do hate it for that. But who's propaganda has pushed them into that direction?

The plan is obvious. France has to be pushed out so the U.S. can walk in:

Meanwhile, the threat of Russia filling the vacuum is overstated and should not justify [France's] further involvement. Indeed, part of of Russia’s appeal is that many Africans see it as a sort of anti-France. And the less France lives “rent-free” in the popular imagination, the less Russia’s symbolic appeal will become.

Another part of Russia’s draw is that some African governments, Mali among them, are frustrated by France’s reticence to assist them in a strategy that all too often involves targeting certain ethnic communities — above all Fulanis but also Arabs and Tuaregs. And if that’s what they want help for, then France and other Western powers are right to refuse.

The fact that the U.S. and other European partners like Germany don’t provoke the same reaction does provide them an opening, a way to help fill the vacuum to keep Russia out and help African states defend themselves. But that will require them to care, and to exercise a greater degree of creativity than they have shown thus far.

It will also mean that France will have to trust them in its former Empire. This was a stumbling block as late as the 1990s, but at this point, Paris is ready.

And, really, it has no choice.

Poor France. It is told to leave and let the U.S. take over its former colonies. It has no choice.

It took a long time for the French to wake up to that plan. But it is finally sinking in. The leading French geopolitical magazine, Conflits, discusses the Shurkin piece and asks:

Pourquoi l’Amérique veut-elle chasser la France d’Afrique ?
Why does America want to drive France out of Africa?

It concludes correctly:

Americans want to sacrifice the French presence to replace and sustain them.

Since France rejected the U.S. invasion of Iraq the U.S. has done its best to deny France any independent international role. The magazine discusses various global places and plans where and how France can reasonably prevent that. It concludes (edited machine translation):

What is at stake is not simply the presence of France in the Sahel or in Africa. It is maintaining it as a global sovereign power or its reduction to a power in Europe. By extension, is its natural relation to be one of the major U.S. dependent democracies, which form a rigid frame, imperial, behind the United States, or will it be able to form a loose alliance in a multilateral framework, a much better position to defend its interests and values?

Without a doubt, America and the Europeans, they need a voice to remind them of the dangers of the respective hubris or of their weakness. Undoubtedly, the world has a need for medium stand-alone powers and for France to find a new balance, helping emerging nations, supporting them without stifling the fragile states and avoiding the logic of direct confrontations between the blocks.

I agree. An independent multilateral France with global influence will be good for balancing the world.

But to reach and stay in that place France needs to counter further U.S. plans to push it out from where the U.S. wants to be.

Will France finally learn how to do that?

Comments

IIRC there were 2 Mistrals and Egypt purchased them.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 2 2023 19:02 utc | 30
And. Then Egypt was bullied to hand them over to Ukraine?
Egypt refused IIRC. Probably a reason its now won a ticket to board the BRICS train.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 2 2023 20:27 utc | 101

IIRC there were 2 Mistrals and Egypt purchased them.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 2 2023 19:02 utc | 30
And. Then Egypt was bullied to hand them over to Ukraine?
Egypt refused IIRC. Probably a reason its now won a ticket to board the BRICS train.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 2 2023 20:27 utc | 102

Leider nur auf deutsch:
Die Amerikaner sind richtig schlau.
“Europa ist fertig.”
Erst kam der Brexit und die Briten waren raus, dann hat man die Russen und die Deutschen getrennt und jetzt kommen die Franzosen dran.
Besser kann es doch gar nicht laufen.

Posted by: Mischmi | Sep 2 2023 20:28 utc | 103

Leider nur auf deutsch:
Die Amerikaner sind richtig schlau.
“Europa ist fertig.”
Erst kam der Brexit und die Briten waren raus, dann hat man die Russen und die Deutschen getrennt und jetzt kommen die Franzosen dran.
Besser kann es doch gar nicht laufen.

Posted by: Mischmi | Sep 2 2023 20:28 utc | 104

Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 2 2023 20:06 utc | 47
Cmon m8. No adult “believes” in tooth fairies, easter bunnies, santa clause or fair elections.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 2 2023 20:30 utc | 105

Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 2 2023 20:06 utc | 47
Cmon m8. No adult “believes” in tooth fairies, easter bunnies, santa clause or fair elections.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 2 2023 20:30 utc | 106

Russia has a major training base in Central African Republic:
https://english.pravda.ru/world/157551-central_african_republic_berengo/

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Sep 2 2023 20:31 utc | 107

Russia has a major training base in Central African Republic:
https://english.pravda.ru/world/157551-central_african_republic_berengo/

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Sep 2 2023 20:31 utc | 108

Si les américains veulent le Mali, le Niger et le Burkina, c’est parfait. Ces 3 pays ont une population qui double tous les 20 ans et aucune ressource. En plus, c’est des dioulas ingrats. Donc, si ils peuvent apprendre l’anglais et aller aux USA foutre la merde, plutôt qu’en France ou en côte d’Ivoire, c’est vraiment bien.

Posted by: Koui | Sep 2 2023 20:38 utc | 109

Si les américains veulent le Mali, le Niger et le Burkina, c’est parfait. Ces 3 pays ont une population qui double tous les 20 ans et aucune ressource. En plus, c’est des dioulas ingrats. Donc, si ils peuvent apprendre l’anglais et aller aux USA foutre la merde, plutôt qu’en France ou en côte d’Ivoire, c’est vraiment bien.

Posted by: Koui | Sep 2 2023 20:38 utc | 110

It is clear that the US only wants France as a vassal, and without any possibility of having any individual policies. In Europe, the destruction of industrial ability in Germany, is now followed by the destruction of French foreign “interests”. So all these coups in Africa, with or without US backing are only plus points for it’s “one US Empire” ambitions.
However, the Chinese and Russians, who are alternative examples of how things could be, may give a new orientation to erstwhile “captive” countries. We will see in time.
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A problem I see, similar to South America, is the frailty of ethical standards by “leaders”. How many cannot be bought?
This happens in many other countries – perhaps nearly all of them. The “joke vote” by which leaders claim authority through PR-democratic means, (Ballot stuffing and the like followed by multiple media massaging for the proles) has become “de rigeur” in ALL countries. “Lawfare” is also aimed at the same control over candidates.
Macron himself is a NWO placed candidate, so he must be split between an US-centric viewpoint and a Soros/Rothschild/Schwab option. After a long battle with the French people (Yellow vests) and now dictating Pensions reform by decree, it is simply a continuation in Africa of a wannabe emperor’s desire to be the sole source of authority. Obviously he is simply not capable of it.
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From a brief stay in Rwanda, I learnt that the Africans have a tendency to see International Aid as a chance get rich one at a time.
*****
Which leads me to a last point; an ad for Leaders who like to think ahead.
“Bongo bags”, specially designed and shaped to carry all your spare cash whatever the source. Helicopters are an optional extra.
https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1697003725531779096

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 2 2023 20:41 utc | 111

It is clear that the US only wants France as a vassal, and without any possibility of having any individual policies. In Europe, the destruction of industrial ability in Germany, is now followed by the destruction of French foreign “interests”. So all these coups in Africa, with or without US backing are only plus points for it’s “one US Empire” ambitions.
However, the Chinese and Russians, who are alternative examples of how things could be, may give a new orientation to erstwhile “captive” countries. We will see in time.
**
A problem I see, similar to South America, is the frailty of ethical standards by “leaders”. How many cannot be bought?
This happens in many other countries – perhaps nearly all of them. The “joke vote” by which leaders claim authority through PR-democratic means, (Ballot stuffing and the like followed by multiple media massaging for the proles) has become “de rigeur” in ALL countries. “Lawfare” is also aimed at the same control over candidates.
Macron himself is a NWO placed candidate, so he must be split between an US-centric viewpoint and a Soros/Rothschild/Schwab option. After a long battle with the French people (Yellow vests) and now dictating Pensions reform by decree, it is simply a continuation in Africa of a wannabe emperor’s desire to be the sole source of authority. Obviously he is simply not capable of it.
****
From a brief stay in Rwanda, I learnt that the Africans have a tendency to see International Aid as a chance get rich one at a time.
*****
Which leads me to a last point; an ad for Leaders who like to think ahead.
“Bongo bags”, specially designed and shaped to carry all your spare cash whatever the source. Helicopters are an optional extra.
https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1697003725531779096

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 2 2023 20:41 utc | 112

Pepe Escobar yesterday on this very matter, more broadly taken:
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/no-respite-for-france-as-a-new-africa-rises

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Sep 2 2023 20:46 utc | 113

Pepe Escobar yesterday on this very matter, more broadly taken:
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/no-respite-for-france-as-a-new-africa-rises

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Sep 2 2023 20:46 utc | 114

On the roof 10
The really declining nation is not France, who refused the USUKIS attack on Iraq, but Britain with its Islamist brainwashed nutters, which is really scraping the bottom of the barrel of Alt-right wing politics. At least the Azov Nazis are not into raping and enslaving terrified women who are under constitutional government protection.
When there is as much evidence available about USUKIS chemical brainwashing of Ukrainians as there is about USUKIS chemical brainwashing of Muslims in the War on Islam , I might say that USUKIS desperation in Ukraine is equal to its desperation in Syria.
But for now , USUKIS wants to still create an Islamic State in North Syria while Russia is distracted by Jellybaby in Ukraine, and an Islamic State in Africa which China will have to cope with in rhe long term.
Whoever helps USUKIS build a second Empire in Africa is teaching us a history lesson about how France Britain Low Countries , Germany and Belgium built the first ones. The Islamists are always the ones who sell their own country in exchange for bangles and a few coloured stripes on their military uniforms. Plus sha change, plus sh’est la meme chose. So much for the true message of Islam

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 2 2023 20:49 utc | 115

On the roof 10
The really declining nation is not France, who refused the USUKIS attack on Iraq, but Britain with its Islamist brainwashed nutters, which is really scraping the bottom of the barrel of Alt-right wing politics. At least the Azov Nazis are not into raping and enslaving terrified women who are under constitutional government protection.
When there is as much evidence available about USUKIS chemical brainwashing of Ukrainians as there is about USUKIS chemical brainwashing of Muslims in the War on Islam , I might say that USUKIS desperation in Ukraine is equal to its desperation in Syria.
But for now , USUKIS wants to still create an Islamic State in North Syria while Russia is distracted by Jellybaby in Ukraine, and an Islamic State in Africa which China will have to cope with in rhe long term.
Whoever helps USUKIS build a second Empire in Africa is teaching us a history lesson about how France Britain Low Countries , Germany and Belgium built the first ones. The Islamists are always the ones who sell their own country in exchange for bangles and a few coloured stripes on their military uniforms. Plus sha change, plus sh’est la meme chose. So much for the true message of Islam

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 2 2023 20:49 utc | 116

Is this a surprise? The USA is the ONLY country I know of that has consistently stated that its goal is complete world domination. France can continue to be a vassal state or not–but it has chosen over and over again to remain a vassal and so it will be. The fact is the US National Security State now controls the media in Europe almost completely so it is difficult for politicians to color outside the lines of whatever Overton Window is set in Washington–this is a far cry from Europe back in the day. Le Penn is the only Euro politician that might be different but I doubt she can ever take power.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Sep 2 2023 20:54 utc | 117

Is this a surprise? The USA is the ONLY country I know of that has consistently stated that its goal is complete world domination. France can continue to be a vassal state or not–but it has chosen over and over again to remain a vassal and so it will be. The fact is the US National Security State now controls the media in Europe almost completely so it is difficult for politicians to color outside the lines of whatever Overton Window is set in Washington–this is a far cry from Europe back in the day. Le Penn is the only Euro politician that might be different but I doubt she can ever take power.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Sep 2 2023 20:54 utc | 118

I agree. An independent multilateral France with global influence will be good for balancing the world.
Posted by b on September 2, 2023 at 17:11 UTC | Permalink
I dont think so.
Power corrupts, global influence is not used to create balance, see USA. A stronger France, independent, would look after its interests (whose exactly, actually).
France’s global influence consisted of neo-colonialism, the USA cannibalizes its allies in the struggle of dominating other peoples.
France could have decolonized completely. Then many African states would be owners of their raw materials, currency, etc. and independent with a stable social system. France could have made fair trade agreements with such governments for uranium, etc.
Were the French actually against the US military bases in their sphere of influence?
I suggest to read “Shake Hands with the Devil” from Lieutenant-General Roméo Dallaire of the Canadian Forces, to find out, if you really wish for french engagement in africa in 21st century.
Of course the US is not the solution for the people in africa.
Interesting article concerning concerning coups in africa in last years. A lot of facts, but look for your own conclusion. Maybe in some points they did not look into too deep, like foreign interest. But still a base for further research.
African coups in the COVID-19 era: A current history
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpos.2023.1077945/full

Posted by: 600w | Sep 2 2023 21:00 utc | 119

I agree. An independent multilateral France with global influence will be good for balancing the world.
Posted by b on September 2, 2023 at 17:11 UTC | Permalink
I dont think so.
Power corrupts, global influence is not used to create balance, see USA. A stronger France, independent, would look after its interests (whose exactly, actually).
France’s global influence consisted of neo-colonialism, the USA cannibalizes its allies in the struggle of dominating other peoples.
France could have decolonized completely. Then many African states would be owners of their raw materials, currency, etc. and independent with a stable social system. France could have made fair trade agreements with such governments for uranium, etc.
Were the French actually against the US military bases in their sphere of influence?
I suggest to read “Shake Hands with the Devil” from Lieutenant-General Roméo Dallaire of the Canadian Forces, to find out, if you really wish for french engagement in africa in 21st century.
Of course the US is not the solution for the people in africa.
Interesting article concerning concerning coups in africa in last years. A lot of facts, but look for your own conclusion. Maybe in some points they did not look into too deep, like foreign interest. But still a base for further research.
African coups in the COVID-19 era: A current history
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpos.2023.1077945/full

Posted by: 600w | Sep 2 2023 21:00 utc | 120

Count me out on the theory the Niger coup was US-generated. Next door the Nigerian president is out of Chicago and his CV is US puppet via a bogus election. Why would the USA DS want their puppet in Nigeria to invade Niger over a coup they started?
I do not see Niger not expelling the USA as complicity. Rather as Niger’s way of not provoking the USA – Nigeria will now be less likely to invade. It could be as simple as that. Plus ordering the hated French to leave while telling the USA they can stay is giving the finger to Paris. Or maybe a plan to force the French to offer a much bigger commission than the erstwhile 5% on uranium.

Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Sep 2 2023 21:03 utc | 121

Count me out on the theory the Niger coup was US-generated. Next door the Nigerian president is out of Chicago and his CV is US puppet via a bogus election. Why would the USA DS want their puppet in Nigeria to invade Niger over a coup they started?
I do not see Niger not expelling the USA as complicity. Rather as Niger’s way of not provoking the USA – Nigeria will now be less likely to invade. It could be as simple as that. Plus ordering the hated French to leave while telling the USA they can stay is giving the finger to Paris. Or maybe a plan to force the French to offer a much bigger commission than the erstwhile 5% on uranium.

Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Sep 2 2023 21:03 utc | 122

You’d think the US would have learned in Indochina about trying to pick up after France.

Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Sep 2 2023 21:14 utc | 123

You’d think the US would have learned in Indochina about trying to pick up after France.

Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Sep 2 2023 21:14 utc | 124

The military rebels who carried out the coup in Niger may have had US training and may still have personal connections with their trainers in the US State Department and the Pentagon, but does that background necessarily mean they will be inclined to follow US orders and allow US interference in their politics and economies?
After all, they did give the Nuland Cookie Monster a hard time when she tried to tell them to release the deposed Nigerien President. In the end she returned to the US, presumably to scoff her cookies by herself for comfort. Didn’t the coup leaders also advise she needed to go on a weight loss plan?
And now of course the pro-US ECOWAS is threatening to send in troops (mostly Nigerian, I imagine) to restore the deposed government if the coup leaders don’t restore it themselves.
I would be surprised if the Nigerien coup leaders were ignorant of the US role in overthrowing Colonel Gaddafi in Libya back in 2011, and in continuing to keep that country unstable. After Gaddafi’s downfall, the consequences of NATO’s intervention were felt in several west and central African countries, with increased US and European direct interventions in Mali and the rise of jihadist groups like Boko Harem. The Nigerien coup leaders are surely aware of who is or has been funding terrorist groups in the neighbourhood. Their US trainers may have been boasted about funding these terrorists to their Nigerien students.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 2 2023 21:17 utc | 125

The military rebels who carried out the coup in Niger may have had US training and may still have personal connections with their trainers in the US State Department and the Pentagon, but does that background necessarily mean they will be inclined to follow US orders and allow US interference in their politics and economies?
After all, they did give the Nuland Cookie Monster a hard time when she tried to tell them to release the deposed Nigerien President. In the end she returned to the US, presumably to scoff her cookies by herself for comfort. Didn’t the coup leaders also advise she needed to go on a weight loss plan?
And now of course the pro-US ECOWAS is threatening to send in troops (mostly Nigerian, I imagine) to restore the deposed government if the coup leaders don’t restore it themselves.
I would be surprised if the Nigerien coup leaders were ignorant of the US role in overthrowing Colonel Gaddafi in Libya back in 2011, and in continuing to keep that country unstable. After Gaddafi’s downfall, the consequences of NATO’s intervention were felt in several west and central African countries, with increased US and European direct interventions in Mali and the rise of jihadist groups like Boko Harem. The Nigerien coup leaders are surely aware of who is or has been funding terrorist groups in the neighbourhood. Their US trainers may have been boasted about funding these terrorists to their Nigerien students.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 2 2023 21:17 utc | 126

Re my comment @ 63: stupid spellcheck messed up my Boko Haram reference and mangled my last sentence about US military trainers possibly boasting about US funding of terrorist groups among ethnic minorities (such as Fulani and Tuareg) in western African nations – to their students from these countries.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 2 2023 21:21 utc | 127

Re my comment @ 63: stupid spellcheck messed up my Boko Haram reference and mangled my last sentence about US military trainers possibly boasting about US funding of terrorist groups among ethnic minorities (such as Fulani and Tuareg) in western African nations – to their students from these countries.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 2 2023 21:21 utc | 128

Niger is still a fairly weak country (colonial imperialism does that to a vassal), so perhaps they have to pick their fights. They can handle kicking the French out right now, but kicking the American empire out will take some more time and maybe a little finesse. Let’s not write them off just yet as trading in one asshole boss for another asshole boss.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 2 2023 21:23 utc | 129

Niger is still a fairly weak country (colonial imperialism does that to a vassal), so perhaps they have to pick their fights. They can handle kicking the French out right now, but kicking the American empire out will take some more time and maybe a little finesse. Let’s not write them off just yet as trading in one asshole boss for another asshole boss.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 2 2023 21:23 utc | 130

I agree. An independent multilateral France with global influence will be good for balancing the world.
But to reach and stay in that place France needs to counter further U.S. plans to push it out from where the U.S. wants to be.
Will France finally learn how to do that?

Very funny.
Unless France exits NATO, sanctions the US for war crimes in …(pick one from a long list) and rebuilds alliances with BRICs-11 as a reborn country, France will always be looked at for what it is: A US vassal.

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Sep 2 2023 21:23 utc | 131

I agree. An independent multilateral France with global influence will be good for balancing the world.
But to reach and stay in that place France needs to counter further U.S. plans to push it out from where the U.S. wants to be.
Will France finally learn how to do that?

Very funny.
Unless France exits NATO, sanctions the US for war crimes in …(pick one from a long list) and rebuilds alliances with BRICs-11 as a reborn country, France will always be looked at for what it is: A US vassal.

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Sep 2 2023 21:23 utc | 132

See more…..
Maybe the US isn’t trying to control Africa. But in just a few years, with the help of well-chosen European governments, the European Commission and NATO, they have completely cut off Western Europe from any independent access to any source (Africa, Russia or the Middle East) of energy and most raw materials.
Conclude for yourself

Posted by: La Bastille | Sep 2 2023 21:25 utc | 133

See more…..
Maybe the US isn’t trying to control Africa. But in just a few years, with the help of well-chosen European governments, the European Commission and NATO, they have completely cut off Western Europe from any independent access to any source (Africa, Russia or the Middle East) of energy and most raw materials.
Conclude for yourself

Posted by: La Bastille | Sep 2 2023 21:25 utc | 134

Where does Wagner fit into all this?

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Sep 2 2023 21:29 utc | 135

Where does Wagner fit into all this?

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Sep 2 2023 21:29 utc | 136

While I agree that France (and all other nations) needs to stand up for itself, I have a sneaking suspicion that the minute France says, “NO!” to the US occupying its African interests some bright lad in Washington will discover there is a malignant human rights problem in Africa (all France’s fault, of course) that will require immediate and overwhelming military intervention. We have to save the poor African children from the clutches of those cigarette-smoking, wine-drinking, cheese-eating surrender monkeys, you know.

Posted by: John S | Sep 2 2023 21:34 utc | 137

While I agree that France (and all other nations) needs to stand up for itself, I have a sneaking suspicion that the minute France says, “NO!” to the US occupying its African interests some bright lad in Washington will discover there is a malignant human rights problem in Africa (all France’s fault, of course) that will require immediate and overwhelming military intervention. We have to save the poor African children from the clutches of those cigarette-smoking, wine-drinking, cheese-eating surrender monkeys, you know.

Posted by: John S | Sep 2 2023 21:34 utc | 138

I have a better idea. How about the African nations appeal to China for help and show both France and the US the door.

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Sep 2 2023 21:36 utc | 139

I have a better idea. How about the African nations appeal to China for help and show both France and the US the door.

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Sep 2 2023 21:36 utc | 140

Under the living organism who’s currenctly clinging to the walls of the presidential Elysee Palace in Paris, there’s zero chance that “France will finally learn how to do that”. Almost everything he does is meant to hurt France, that’s his personal goal, so he’ll just pretend to defend French interests in Africa (whatever these are, legitimate or otherwise), so as not to provoke too much opposition to his policies in France itself, all the while making sure France keeps losing positions in Africa. That’s a certainty. His visits to the continent as president were disasters, and I believe they were meant to be. First thing to happen is for the French people to understand they have a traitor as head of state. Right now, only a small minority seem to understand that.

Posted by: Christophe Douté | Sep 2 2023 21:42 utc | 141

Under the living organism who’s currenctly clinging to the walls of the presidential Elysee Palace in Paris, there’s zero chance that “France will finally learn how to do that”. Almost everything he does is meant to hurt France, that’s his personal goal, so he’ll just pretend to defend French interests in Africa (whatever these are, legitimate or otherwise), so as not to provoke too much opposition to his policies in France itself, all the while making sure France keeps losing positions in Africa. That’s a certainty. His visits to the continent as president were disasters, and I believe they were meant to be. First thing to happen is for the French people to understand they have a traitor as head of state. Right now, only a small minority seem to understand that.

Posted by: Christophe Douté | Sep 2 2023 21:42 utc | 142

you forget to mention Alcatel.
at least Chinese were cognizant regarding of the Alcatel story
when it came to Meng Wanzhou (the CFO of Huawei)

Posted by: chris m | Sep 2 2023 21:58 utc | 143

you forget to mention Alcatel.
at least Chinese were cognizant regarding of the Alcatel story
when it came to Meng Wanzhou (the CFO of Huawei)

Posted by: chris m | Sep 2 2023 21:58 utc | 144

Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 2 2023 18:19 utc | 19
You want us to read your words? We should enjoy doing it? Well, what about starting with using capital letters and proper punctuation. Is that to much an effort to ask for?

Posted by: Stephane | Sep 2 2023 22:16 utc | 145

Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 2 2023 18:19 utc | 19
You want us to read your words? We should enjoy doing it? Well, what about starting with using capital letters and proper punctuation. Is that to much an effort to ask for?

Posted by: Stephane | Sep 2 2023 22:16 utc | 146

If France had some leader like De Gaulle once, she could stir sh. in Quebec and have a liberation movement there on the border to USA… Just thinking.

Posted by: fanto | Sep 2 2023 22:26 utc | 147

If France had some leader like De Gaulle once, she could stir sh. in Quebec and have a liberation movement there on the border to USA… Just thinking.

Posted by: fanto | Sep 2 2023 22:26 utc | 148

And again, the USA has no need to control the stability of the African continent (Europe would).
As defined by the Cebrowski Doctrine, Chaos suits them just fine.
The Rumsfeld/Cebrowski doctrine
by Thierry Meyssan
https://www.voltairenet.org/article213164.html
Yugoslavia, Arab Spring, Syria, Libya and Ukraine…..
Europe is now surrounded by Chaos.
Borell’s Jungle made in NATO.
And you know what? France has actively participated in every one of these attacks, in the name of human rights, of course…

Posted by: La Bastille | Sep 2 2023 22:28 utc | 149

And again, the USA has no need to control the stability of the African continent (Europe would).
As defined by the Cebrowski Doctrine, Chaos suits them just fine.
The Rumsfeld/Cebrowski doctrine
by Thierry Meyssan
https://www.voltairenet.org/article213164.html
Yugoslavia, Arab Spring, Syria, Libya and Ukraine…..
Europe is now surrounded by Chaos.
Borell’s Jungle made in NATO.
And you know what? France has actively participated in every one of these attacks, in the name of human rights, of course…

Posted by: La Bastille | Sep 2 2023 22:28 utc | 150

@On the roof (10) “ What’s happening in Africa seems to be a pattern as the overwhelming majority of all military coups in Latin America after 1945 have been carried out by officers who were educated at School of Americas in Panama(today renamed Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, Fort Moore, Georgia)”
I wish I could find the original source, but I recently read a study of regime change operations involving the United States since 1950. The total came to more than 60, some successful, some not, and IIRC, this did not include some of the more recent ones in Africa.

Posted by: Rob | Sep 2 2023 22:29 utc | 151

@On the roof (10) “ What’s happening in Africa seems to be a pattern as the overwhelming majority of all military coups in Latin America after 1945 have been carried out by officers who were educated at School of Americas in Panama(today renamed Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, Fort Moore, Georgia)”
I wish I could find the original source, but I recently read a study of regime change operations involving the United States since 1950. The total came to more than 60, some successful, some not, and IIRC, this did not include some of the more recent ones in Africa.

Posted by: Rob | Sep 2 2023 22:29 utc | 152

I agree. An independent multilateral France with global influence will be good for balancing the world.
Posted by b on September 2, 2023 at 17:11 UTC | Permalink
I dont think so. Power corrupts, global influence is not used to create balance, see USA. A stronger France, independent, would look after its interests (whose exactly, actually).
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Of course, there could be a world where what is good for other nations and people, could be good for France, and the Franch people; but only in a multipolar world. But I guess it would require a Marxist dialectical view of the world to understand that there are more important things than exploitation and profits.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 2 2023 22:37 utc | 153

I agree. An independent multilateral France with global influence will be good for balancing the world.
Posted by b on September 2, 2023 at 17:11 UTC | Permalink
I dont think so. Power corrupts, global influence is not used to create balance, see USA. A stronger France, independent, would look after its interests (whose exactly, actually).
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Of course, there could be a world where what is good for other nations and people, could be good for France, and the Franch people; but only in a multipolar world. But I guess it would require a Marxist dialectical view of the world to understand that there are more important things than exploitation and profits.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 2 2023 22:37 utc | 154

Can France make itself the black sheep of Europe and prosper? It certainly lacks financial and military clout on its own. OTOH, what does it gain by being the perpetual punching bag of the US? Furthermore, once the Ukraine debacle is over, there may be other European nations looking to break free of American bullying. Together, they could form a mini-alliance.

Posted by: Rob | Sep 2 2023 22:39 utc | 155

Can France make itself the black sheep of Europe and prosper? It certainly lacks financial and military clout on its own. OTOH, what does it gain by being the perpetual punching bag of the US? Furthermore, once the Ukraine debacle is over, there may be other European nations looking to break free of American bullying. Together, they could form a mini-alliance.

Posted by: Rob | Sep 2 2023 22:39 utc | 156

pyrrhus | Sep 2 2023 17:21 utc | 2
*** Macron is weak..end of story.Until the French manage to push him and his Jewish backers out, France will be submerged by 3d worlders and probably go down the drain…***
But if that’s a goal of Macron’s masters, then surely he is competent rather than weak?

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 2 2023 22:49 utc | 157

pyrrhus | Sep 2 2023 17:21 utc | 2
*** Macron is weak..end of story.Until the French manage to push him and his Jewish backers out, France will be submerged by 3d worlders and probably go down the drain…***
But if that’s a goal of Macron’s masters, then surely he is competent rather than weak?

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 2 2023 22:49 utc | 158

@Cynic | Sep 2 2023 22:49 utc |
A French Rottenchild says they always hire the brightest people.
https://rumble.com/v315hpu-full-prank-with-alexandre-de-rothschild.html
(fascinating but I’m not sure what to make of it. Have Vovan and Lexus ever “conversed” with VV Putin?)
.
.
Full prank with the head of the Rothschild Empire
Alexander Rothschild is the great–great-great-grandson of the founder of the dynasty, it was he who became the main one in the family of bankers in 2018, heading the Rothschild & Co holding. Thanks to Frenchman Jacques Attali, the 42-year-old financier was sure that he was communicating with the President of Ukraine.
In a conversation with our “Zelensky”, he told without too much modesty that his family plans to make good money on the Western tranches allocated for the restoration of Ukraine: we are talking about an amount exceeding $ 750 billion.
What do the Rothschilds do in Ukraine? What industries are they most interested in? What does the chief Rothschild think about Putin, about Russian elites and ways to fight Russia? And what is G0? The veil of mystery opens in our new prank!

Posted by: Ново З | Sep 2 2023 23:06 utc | 159

@Cynic | Sep 2 2023 22:49 utc |
A French Rottenchild says they always hire the brightest people.
https://rumble.com/v315hpu-full-prank-with-alexandre-de-rothschild.html
(fascinating but I’m not sure what to make of it. Have Vovan and Lexus ever “conversed” with VV Putin?)
.
.
Full prank with the head of the Rothschild Empire
Alexander Rothschild is the great–great-great-grandson of the founder of the dynasty, it was he who became the main one in the family of bankers in 2018, heading the Rothschild & Co holding. Thanks to Frenchman Jacques Attali, the 42-year-old financier was sure that he was communicating with the President of Ukraine.
In a conversation with our “Zelensky”, he told without too much modesty that his family plans to make good money on the Western tranches allocated for the restoration of Ukraine: we are talking about an amount exceeding $ 750 billion.
What do the Rothschilds do in Ukraine? What industries are they most interested in? What does the chief Rothschild think about Putin, about Russian elites and ways to fight Russia? And what is G0? The veil of mystery opens in our new prank!

Posted by: Ново З | Sep 2 2023 23:06 utc | 160

kupkee | Sep 2 2023 18:59 utc | 29
*** The French, like the British, are a sideshow. Perhaps some Americans are wanting to get even for De Galle handing them the burning batton in Indochina.***
They were not handed it — they grabbed it.
Towards the end of WW2 in the Far East, the OSS (ancestor of the CIA) was already deliberately undermining French and UK interests in that part of the world.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 2 2023 23:09 utc | 161

kupkee | Sep 2 2023 18:59 utc | 29
*** The French, like the British, are a sideshow. Perhaps some Americans are wanting to get even for De Galle handing them the burning batton in Indochina.***
They were not handed it — they grabbed it.
Towards the end of WW2 in the Far East, the OSS (ancestor of the CIA) was already deliberately undermining French and UK interests in that part of the world.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 2 2023 23:09 utc | 162

Posted by: Stephane | Sep 2 2023 22:16 utc | 73
Hear hear. I’ve been saying that for years on this site. I only read the posts which have been conscientiously edited, proof-read and constructed with clear arguments. Some here do it beautifully. The rest is insulting. b gets a pass because he’s a superb investigator and synthesist of material—and because his written English is better than my written German could ever be.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 2 2023 23:10 utc | 163

Posted by: Stephane | Sep 2 2023 22:16 utc | 73
Hear hear. I’ve been saying that for years on this site. I only read the posts which have been conscientiously edited, proof-read and constructed with clear arguments. Some here do it beautifully. The rest is insulting. b gets a pass because he’s a superb investigator and synthesist of material—and because his written English is better than my written German could ever be.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 2 2023 23:10 utc | 164

What is missing in this discussion is that the countries, like France and USA, no longer exist for the protection and benefit of their citizens. The owners are the Globalists, and the countries are just shells in their shell game. Transfering assets, like African countries, between “countries,” like France and US, is just moving the bean under a different shell. The people under the shells don’t matter except for being targets for taking their assets.

Posted by: barstool | Sep 2 2023 23:20 utc | 165

What is missing in this discussion is that the countries, like France and USA, no longer exist for the protection and benefit of their citizens. The owners are the Globalists, and the countries are just shells in their shell game. Transfering assets, like African countries, between “countries,” like France and US, is just moving the bean under a different shell. The people under the shells don’t matter except for being targets for taking their assets.

Posted by: barstool | Sep 2 2023 23:20 utc | 166

i’m going to reserve judgement about what is happening in Niger, sending Nuland home with weight loss advice doesn’t scream “us backed coup to me.”

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 2 2023 23:22 utc | 167

i’m going to reserve judgement about what is happening in Niger, sending Nuland home with weight loss advice doesn’t scream “us backed coup to me.”

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 2 2023 23:22 utc | 168

I wish I could find the original source, but I recently read a study of regime change operations involving the United States since 1950. The total came to more than 60, some successful, some not, and IIRC, this did not include some of the more recent ones in Africa.
Posted by: Rob | Sep 2 2023 22:29 utc | 76
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Maybe this will help! This list does not include Ukraine and Russia. The US was involved in regime change wars in some capacity or the other. After WWII, the CIA was used to effect regime change more than direct military interventions. USAID and NED were used to provoke color revolutions, most were not on the list, if they were, this list would be many times longer.
1887–1889: Samoa
1893: Kingdom of Hawaii
1899–1902: Philippines
1903–1925: Honduras
1915–1934: Haiti
1916–1924: Dominican Republic
1917: Costa Rica
1918–1920: Russia
1948: Costa Rica (again)
1949: Syria
1950–1953: Burma and China
1952: Egypt
1952: Guatemala
1952–1953: Iran
1954: Guatemala (again)
1956–1957: Syria (again)
1957–1959: Indonesia
1959: Iraq (again)
1959–1963: South Vietnam
1959–1962: Cuba (Bay of Pigs)
1959: Cambodia
1960–1965: Congo-Leopoldville
1960: Laos
1961: Dominican Republic
1963: Iraq (again)
1965–1967: Indonesia
1970: Cambodia
1970–1973: Chile
1971: Bolivia
1974–1991: Ethiopia
1975–1991: Angola
1975–1999: East Timor
1976: Argentina
1979–1992: Afghanistan
1980–1989: Poland
1981–1982: Chad
1981–1990: Nicaragua
1983: Grenada
1989–1994: Panama
1991: Iraq
1992–1996: Iraq (again)
1994–1995: Haiti
1996–1997: Zaire
2000: FR Yugoslavia
2001–2021: Afghanistan
2003–2021: Iraq
2005: Kyrgyzstan
2006–2007: Palestinian territories
2005–2009: Syria
2011: Libya
2012–2017: Syria
2022: Pakistan
Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change#1941%E2%80%931945:_World_War_II_and_aftermath

Posted by: Ed | Sep 2 2023 23:28 utc | 169

I wish I could find the original source, but I recently read a study of regime change operations involving the United States since 1950. The total came to more than 60, some successful, some not, and IIRC, this did not include some of the more recent ones in Africa.
Posted by: Rob | Sep 2 2023 22:29 utc | 76
—————————————————-
Maybe this will help! This list does not include Ukraine and Russia. The US was involved in regime change wars in some capacity or the other. After WWII, the CIA was used to effect regime change more than direct military interventions. USAID and NED were used to provoke color revolutions, most were not on the list, if they were, this list would be many times longer.
1887–1889: Samoa
1893: Kingdom of Hawaii
1899–1902: Philippines
1903–1925: Honduras
1915–1934: Haiti
1916–1924: Dominican Republic
1917: Costa Rica
1918–1920: Russia
1948: Costa Rica (again)
1949: Syria
1950–1953: Burma and China
1952: Egypt
1952: Guatemala
1952–1953: Iran
1954: Guatemala (again)
1956–1957: Syria (again)
1957–1959: Indonesia
1959: Iraq (again)
1959–1963: South Vietnam
1959–1962: Cuba (Bay of Pigs)
1959: Cambodia
1960–1965: Congo-Leopoldville
1960: Laos
1961: Dominican Republic
1963: Iraq (again)
1965–1967: Indonesia
1970: Cambodia
1970–1973: Chile
1971: Bolivia
1974–1991: Ethiopia
1975–1991: Angola
1975–1999: East Timor
1976: Argentina
1979–1992: Afghanistan
1980–1989: Poland
1981–1982: Chad
1981–1990: Nicaragua
1983: Grenada
1989–1994: Panama
1991: Iraq
1992–1996: Iraq (again)
1994–1995: Haiti
1996–1997: Zaire
2000: FR Yugoslavia
2001–2021: Afghanistan
2003–2021: Iraq
2005: Kyrgyzstan
2006–2007: Palestinian territories
2005–2009: Syria
2011: Libya
2012–2017: Syria
2022: Pakistan
Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change#1941%E2%80%931945:_World_War_II_and_aftermath

Posted by: Ed | Sep 2 2023 23:28 utc | 170

Chris Cosmos | Sep 2 2023 20:54 utc | 59
*** The USA is the ONLY country I know of that has consistently stated that its goal is complete world domination. ***
And out of more than 600 pieces of allegedly “representative” shit troughing themselves in the UK parliament, there’s not one of them denounces such imperialist megalomania — far from it, they all want to be that global dictatorship’s gauleiters and commissars.
But that’s ok, since the mass-media won’t question such “loyalty” and sense of “duty”.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 2 2023 23:40 utc | 171

Chris Cosmos | Sep 2 2023 20:54 utc | 59
*** The USA is the ONLY country I know of that has consistently stated that its goal is complete world domination. ***
And out of more than 600 pieces of allegedly “representative” shit troughing themselves in the UK parliament, there’s not one of them denounces such imperialist megalomania — far from it, they all want to be that global dictatorship’s gauleiters and commissars.
But that’s ok, since the mass-media won’t question such “loyalty” and sense of “duty”.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 2 2023 23:40 utc | 172

Condolezza Rice: ‘Who would have known that they would hijack commercial airliners to fly into buildings?’ (I’m quoting from memory here so apologies for not having the exact quote). US State Department: ‘who would have known that the African generals that we trained would turn against the French?’ (cartoon balloon). Yes, amazing that when you go everywhere and arrogantly screw with everybody around the world because you operate under a megalomaniac delusion that bad outcomes just might ensue. You might also think that France, and the rest of Europe, just might take away a message from all this as a logical outcome, but that is not the case. Turns out, Europe is just as fatally delusional as the US.

Posted by: Mike R | Sep 2 2023 23:43 utc | 173

Condolezza Rice: ‘Who would have known that they would hijack commercial airliners to fly into buildings?’ (I’m quoting from memory here so apologies for not having the exact quote). US State Department: ‘who would have known that the African generals that we trained would turn against the French?’ (cartoon balloon). Yes, amazing that when you go everywhere and arrogantly screw with everybody around the world because you operate under a megalomaniac delusion that bad outcomes just might ensue. You might also think that France, and the rest of Europe, just might take away a message from all this as a logical outcome, but that is not the case. Turns out, Europe is just as fatally delusional as the US.

Posted by: Mike R | Sep 2 2023 23:43 utc | 174

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 2 2023 23:10 utc | 82
I don’t read posts that are incoherent. Maybe the poster actually said something in a muddled post but the odds are against it and it’s just not worth the effort to suss out a coherent thought. If the poster can’t make the effort to make a statement that conforms to universal rules of grammar and syntax then I won’t make the effort to read and comprehend it. And making a post on a dumbphone is not an excuse.

Posted by: Mike R | Sep 2 2023 23:51 utc | 175

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 2 2023 23:10 utc | 82
I don’t read posts that are incoherent. Maybe the poster actually said something in a muddled post but the odds are against it and it’s just not worth the effort to suss out a coherent thought. If the poster can’t make the effort to make a statement that conforms to universal rules of grammar and syntax then I won’t make the effort to read and comprehend it. And making a post on a dumbphone is not an excuse.

Posted by: Mike R | Sep 2 2023 23:51 utc | 176

Salaam,it would do those African countries well,to recall their history,never to forget it.Never forget those states who assisted you in your struggle for independence. Kick France out,have nothing to take from the USA and do “jhunche” a la North Korea.The Russians and the Chinese are to be held dearly as allies and partners,they were never colonisers and offered assistance
in your struggle for independence.Learn from the Iranians,Cubans and especially North Korea,how they dealt with and survived the demonisation and illegal sanctions,placed upon them by the “enlightened”,”reformers”,”exceptionalists” and those of the “garden”.Never forget the exceptionalist aide,democracy and freedom,bought to ,Vietnam,Laos,Cambodia,Guatemala,Chile,Argentina,Libya,Syria,and Afghanistan,never,never never forget.

Posted by: 4q8 | Sep 3 2023 0:07 utc | 177

Salaam,it would do those African countries well,to recall their history,never to forget it.Never forget those states who assisted you in your struggle for independence. Kick France out,have nothing to take from the USA and do “jhunche” a la North Korea.The Russians and the Chinese are to be held dearly as allies and partners,they were never colonisers and offered assistance
in your struggle for independence.Learn from the Iranians,Cubans and especially North Korea,how they dealt with and survived the demonisation and illegal sanctions,placed upon them by the “enlightened”,”reformers”,”exceptionalists” and those of the “garden”.Never forget the exceptionalist aide,democracy and freedom,bought to ,Vietnam,Laos,Cambodia,Guatemala,Chile,Argentina,Libya,Syria,and Afghanistan,never,never never forget.

Posted by: 4q8 | Sep 3 2023 0:07 utc | 178

Yankee-poodle came to town
surrounded by his cronies.
He held a white flag in his hand
and said “My name’s Macron-i”

Posted by: Rattus | Sep 3 2023 0:09 utc | 179

Yankee-poodle came to town
surrounded by his cronies.
He held a white flag in his hand
and said “My name’s Macron-i”

Posted by: Rattus | Sep 3 2023 0:09 utc | 180

>>Yes, France has kept some of its colonial bad habits and influences and some people really do hate it for that. But who’s propaganda has pushed them into that direction?<< Africans, and all colonized peoples, don't need propaganda to have a distaste and critical thoughts about colonization and olonizers, old or new. Not a given, but as the wave of independence from colonial legacy becomes more defined and its possibilities become reality through changing conditions and attitudes dialectically, the end times are nigh for the Anti-Life and it supporters. Let us prey. Let us prey on the beast's hubris and weakness of vision so that we may ascend on strange celestial roads to endless heaven. Heaven here on the third stone from the sun.

Posted by: peon | Sep 3 2023 0:17 utc | 181

>>Yes, France has kept some of its colonial bad habits and influences and some people really do hate it for that. But who’s propaganda has pushed them into that direction?<< Africans, and all colonized peoples, don't need propaganda to have a distaste and critical thoughts about colonization and olonizers, old or new. Not a given, but as the wave of independence from colonial legacy becomes more defined and its possibilities become reality through changing conditions and attitudes dialectically, the end times are nigh for the Anti-Life and it supporters. Let us prey. Let us prey on the beast's hubris and weakness of vision so that we may ascend on strange celestial roads to endless heaven. Heaven here on the third stone from the sun.

Posted by: peon | Sep 3 2023 0:17 utc | 182

I kinda get the feeling that the trend of the U.S. replacing France as colonial overseer in Africa began in 1994 with Rwanda.

Posted by: DougDiggler | Sep 3 2023 0:51 utc | 183

I kinda get the feeling that the trend of the U.S. replacing France as colonial overseer in Africa began in 1994 with Rwanda.

Posted by: DougDiggler | Sep 3 2023 0:51 utc | 184

Macron is here to destroy France. He is very good at it. He is as much hated at home as France is hated in Africa.

Posted by: Patience | Sep 3 2023 1:23 utc | 185

Macron is here to destroy France. He is very good at it. He is as much hated at home as France is hated in Africa.

Posted by: Patience | Sep 3 2023 1:23 utc | 186

Posted by: Mike R | Sep 2 2023 23:51 utc | 88
I completely agree. Often the poster is vomiting up stream-of-consciousness nonsense that simply reflects a failure to reflect on their thoughts. That said, there are senior scholars in my field who email me entirely in lower-case as a form of resistance or critique of style formalism. But I see that as different—as Picasso said, one has to study for 25 years before one can paint like a child. What we’re talking about is just immaturity and poor education. Language and its elegance in expression is, after all, all we have.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 3 2023 1:26 utc | 187

Posted by: Mike R | Sep 2 2023 23:51 utc | 88
I completely agree. Often the poster is vomiting up stream-of-consciousness nonsense that simply reflects a failure to reflect on their thoughts. That said, there are senior scholars in my field who email me entirely in lower-case as a form of resistance or critique of style formalism. But I see that as different—as Picasso said, one has to study for 25 years before one can paint like a child. What we’re talking about is just immaturity and poor education. Language and its elegance in expression is, after all, all we have.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 3 2023 1:26 utc | 188

LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:25 utc | 50
thought i was done, but dang, i’m going to put what effort i can into getting rfk, jr. in. he will have a million bureaucrats against him, but he’s can do more to outflank them than anyone else. he’s been a pretty successful lawyer against big pharm and corpse polluters. and he’s seems pretty fearless. offends right and left, left and right. lots of different walks of life support him if they get the chance to hear him.
really like your thoughts on here, mostly. :o)

Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 3 2023 1:30 utc | 189

LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:25 utc | 50
thought i was done, but dang, i’m going to put what effort i can into getting rfk, jr. in. he will have a million bureaucrats against him, but he’s can do more to outflank them than anyone else. he’s been a pretty successful lawyer against big pharm and corpse polluters. and he’s seems pretty fearless. offends right and left, left and right. lots of different walks of life support him if they get the chance to hear him.
really like your thoughts on here, mostly. :o)

Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 3 2023 1:30 utc | 190

re: Patroklos | Sep 3 2023 1:26 utc | 94
in the begining was the word

Posted by: Ново З | Sep 3 2023 1:37 utc | 191

re: Patroklos | Sep 3 2023 1:26 utc | 94
in the begining was the word

Posted by: Ново З | Sep 3 2023 1:37 utc | 192

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 3 2023 1:26 utc | 94
Language and its elegance in expression is, after all, all we have.
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That and multi-course French meals!
…………………………….
Since voluntarily deciding to limit post word count to 250, I started to use a word processor which lifts the text out of the little boxes which for some reason give me grammatical dyslexia. I now take more time to write shorter posts more clearly expressed. Feels good.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 3 2023 1:43 utc | 193

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 3 2023 1:26 utc | 94
Language and its elegance in expression is, after all, all we have.
===============================
That and multi-course French meals!
…………………………….
Since voluntarily deciding to limit post word count to 250, I started to use a word processor which lifts the text out of the little boxes which for some reason give me grammatical dyslexia. I now take more time to write shorter posts more clearly expressed. Feels good.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 3 2023 1:43 utc | 194

“Language is a virus” wrote William S Burrough and sung Laurie Anderson.

Posted by: Ново З | Sep 3 2023 2:11 utc | 195

“Language is a virus” wrote William S Burrough and sung Laurie Anderson.

Posted by: Ново З | Sep 3 2023 2:11 utc | 196

Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 3 2023 1:30 utc | 95
LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:25 utc | 50
thought i was done, but dang, i’m going to put what effort i can into getting rfk, jr. in. he will have a million bureaucrats against him, but he’s can do more to outflank them than anyone else.
===================================
I expect the Dem super-delegates to block his campaign at the convention having posited Newsome or whomever in Sleazy Joe’s stead.
I also expect the GOP to take Trump off their ticket once a show trial guilty verdict is rendered (to be reversed on Appeal but long after the intended damage has been done).
Then:
wouldn’t it Make America Great Again if RFKJr and DJT and VK got together to lead the ‘reasonable middle’ from left and right – and unquestioned majority – into a Radical ‘Save Our Republic’ Reform Movement that sweeps to victory in a historic landslide in so doing brooming both R’s and D’s into the long-deserved dustbin of history?
Then:
America could inspire other nations to reclaim their own sovereign independence and we all push back against this ghastly, technocratic one-world zombie-materialist globalism once and for all.
Then:
we can all go back to our multi-course meals in ordinary, befuddled human, if slightly hobbit-like, delight!

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 3 2023 2:18 utc | 197

Posted by: polarbear4 | Sep 3 2023 1:30 utc | 95
LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 20:25 utc | 50
thought i was done, but dang, i’m going to put what effort i can into getting rfk, jr. in. he will have a million bureaucrats against him, but he’s can do more to outflank them than anyone else.
===================================
I expect the Dem super-delegates to block his campaign at the convention having posited Newsome or whomever in Sleazy Joe’s stead.
I also expect the GOP to take Trump off their ticket once a show trial guilty verdict is rendered (to be reversed on Appeal but long after the intended damage has been done).
Then:
wouldn’t it Make America Great Again if RFKJr and DJT and VK got together to lead the ‘reasonable middle’ from left and right – and unquestioned majority – into a Radical ‘Save Our Republic’ Reform Movement that sweeps to victory in a historic landslide in so doing brooming both R’s and D’s into the long-deserved dustbin of history?
Then:
America could inspire other nations to reclaim their own sovereign independence and we all push back against this ghastly, technocratic one-world zombie-materialist globalism once and for all.
Then:
we can all go back to our multi-course meals in ordinary, befuddled human, if slightly hobbit-like, delight!

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 3 2023 2:18 utc | 198

silly australia had to pay out the french contract then go on to buy us subs , so essentially pay twice.

Posted by: hankster | Sep 3 2023 2:39 utc | 199

silly australia had to pay out the french contract then go on to buy us subs , so essentially pay twice.

Posted by: hankster | Sep 3 2023 2:39 utc | 200