Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
September 1, 2023
As The U.S. Wages War On It China Reacts With Defiance

Just as U.S. Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo returns from China her department issues new restrictions on chip deliveries:

The United States has broadened restrictions on the export of high-performance artificial intelligence chips by Nvidia and Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), extending them beyond China to other regions, including some countries in the Middle East, amid rising concerns about Beijing’s access to critical AI resources.

Reuters reported Thursday that a regulatory filing by Nvidia stated that its state-of-the-art A100 and H100 chips, which speed up machine learning on AI apps such as ChatGPT had been put on a “no-export” list.

The attempt is to prevent 'leaks' of chips from countries like the United Arab Emirates or Saudi Arabia to Russia and China. But, as I noted yesterday, China is already making chips of equal capacity:

Huawei's compute GPU capabilities are now on par with Nvidia's A100 GPUs, Liu Qingfeng, founder and chairman of Chinese AI company iFlytek, said at the 19th Summer Summit of the 2023 Yabuli China Entrepreneurs Forum (via IT Home).

Liu Qingfeng stated that Huawei has made significant strides in the GPU sector, achieving capabilities and performance comparable to Nvidia's A100 GPU.

China is not only autarkic in making chips but now also in making the delicate machines needed to make chips:

China’s etching equipment giant Advanced Micro-Fabrication Equipment (AMEC) has reported hefty growth in earnings and revenue in the first half of 2023 thanks to strong demand for local tools as a result of US tech export controls, the company’s founder and CEO Gerald Yin Zhiyao said on Friday.

AMEC’s market share of China’s capacitively coupled plasma (CCP) etching equipment market is expected to reach 60 per cent in the near future from 24 per cent last October, Yin said. In the inductive coupled plasma (ICP) tool market, Yin said its share could rise to 75 per cent from almost zero after once-dominant Lam Research from the US saw its share drop sharply.

As China deepens its semiconductor self-sufficiency drive to include chip-making equipment and key components, Yin said that 80 per cent of restricted, imported parts at AMEC can be replaced domestically by the end of this year, with 100 per cent replacement following in the second half next year.

The New York Times resume of Secretary Raimondo's and other's trips is somewhat amusing:

U.S. Officials Are Streaming to China. Will Beijing Return the Favor?

Batteridge's law responds with "No!" There were obviously no 'favors' from either side:

When Gina Raimondo, the secretary of commerce, left China this week, it marked the end of a three-month diplomatic blitz by the Biden administration to try to stabilize ties with Beijing and arrest a free fall in the relationship that had raised concerns about the risk of conflict.

President Biden had bet that high-level dialogue could help manage an escalating rivalry over trade, technology and the status of Taiwan. Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken was the first to make the trip to the Chinese capital in June, followed by Treasury Secretary Janet L. Yellen and the presidential climate envoy, John Kerry, in July.

After logging all those miles, the question now is whether China will reciprocate by sending senior Chinese ministers to Washington.

The people Biden sent on visits in China had nothing to give and were given nothing. The U.S. attempt to deceive China by holding useless talks while it ramps up its cold war cordon around China have failed.

As long as that policy continues there is nothing of substance that China could gain by sending people to Washington DC. Holding talks just to keep talking about nothing does not make sense. So evidently no Chinese envoy will come.

Patrick Lawrence is trashing Biden's strategy as he finds that the travels to China are not designed to talk with Chine but to deceive Americans:

Proposing to conduct routine business while sabotaging China’s competitive position in advanced technologies is prima facie a ridiculous idea.

The Biden administration’s China strategy comes down to parrying, in a word. All the pointless talk is intended to obscure a concerted effort to undermine China’s economy because the U.S. cannot compete with it in various strategic sectors, while — part two — buying time to move maximum U.S. military hardware as close to the mainland as possible under the program the Defense Department named a few years ago the Pacific Defense Initiative, the PDI.

The Chinese know this and have said so many times. I no longer think Blinken, Yellen, et al. have any thought of persuading them otherwise on these journeys. That only looks like their intent.

Their true purpose is in the way of theatrical, and Americans are their true audience: They must make sure Americans do not understand Gina Raimondo’s efforts to punch the Chinese, well below their belts, for what they are: an uncompetitive nation’s attempts to hold back a rising economic power.

The Biden regime is buying time as it remilitarizes the western end of the Pacific.

The only people who are supposed to understand otherwise are Americans, who are not supposed to watch as Washington provokes and prosecutes Cold War II. Americans are supposed to watch as U.S. officials — reasonable, constructive, well-intended —make all efforts to talk to the Chinese in the face of their stubborn reluctance to cooperate.

This is my revised take on the Blinken–Yellen–Kerry–Raimondo cavalcade across the Pacific. These people are not clods. They are purposefully malicious and, it should go without saying, are making the world even more dangerous than it already is.

Peter Lee has just come back from a visit to China. He is reporting of of a new, someone snobby to hostile attitude towards Americans. It is justified:

After all, America and Americans are suspect for good reason.

As I’ve pointed out on my twitter several times, US aggression against the PRC, misleadingly packaged as US-China tensions, is a virtual full-spectrum assault, only stopping short, for now anyway, of direct military action. The US is determined to degrade the PRC’s military, economic, and international security and domestic social and political stability in all available dimensions. Concessions are tactical; attacks are strategic.

The CCP perhaps hopes Western failure in Ukraine will slake the G7 thirst for anti-authoritarian jihad and hopes economic relations and foreign direct investment with China will recover but hope is not a plan. Not with the United States pumping hundreds of billions of dollars to finance global anti-PRC economic, military, diplomatic, political, soft power, and media initiatives.

I believe this increasingly plausible worst-case scenario is driving a lot of PRC decision-making (and drives the barrage of resentful criticism of PRC policy choices in the Western media).

Will the CCP succeed?

The product it’s pitching to its citizens and to the world—that’s multilateralism via economic engagement—is fundamentally more attractive to a lot of countries than the deficit driven global War to Save Democracy that the US is peddling. Given money, perseverance, luck, and time the PRC might be able to thread the needle.

But … there’s that “time” thing. There’s the rub.

My opinion is, if the CCP is succeeding, in other words if it shows significant progress in establishing a robust parallel international order that can shield it from US economic aggression, the US will start a hot war to see if it can truly f*ck China up.

Because the only US response to failure is escalation.

And that’s why my profile says “pessimist”.

As Peter had noted last year China's government has for quite some time prepared for this.

Well, let's hope that it does not come to another war.

But Peter is right. The U.S. is typically willing to double down in its aggressions.

It continues to play dirty games in Asia to get what it wants (h/t Carl Zha).

On August 24 the Defense Minister of Indonesia, Prabowo Subianto, visited the Pentagon. After the meeting the U.S. issued a:

United States DoD and Indonesia MoD Joint Press Statement

Minister Prabowo and Secretary Austin agreed that the ASEAN Outlook on the Indo-Pacific and the United States' Indo-Pacific Strategy share fundamental principles, such as a commitment to maintaining peace, security, stability, and prosperity in the region through ASEAN Centrality, and that we should work alongside partners who share these goals and a commitment to an open, inclusive, and rules-based order. They shared the view that the People's Republic of China's (PRC) expansive maritime claims in the South China Sea are inconsistent with international law as reflected in the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

That however has not been Indonesia's position. China noticed that the Pentagon was lying. It protested:

JAKARTA, KOMPAS – The Chinese Embassy in Jakarta has objected to the press statement issued by the United States Department of Defense regarding the defense cooperation with Indonesia in the South China Sea. The press statement stated that US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto both agreed that China's expansive maritime claims in the South China Sea were inconsistent with international law.

"After comparing the US press statement with the press statement released by the Indonesian Ministry of Defense, the sentence that accuses and corners China only appears in the US Ministry of Defense press release," said the objection response signed by the spokesperson of the Chinese Embassy in Jakarta, Monday (28/8/2023)."

Today the Indonesian defense minister confirmed that the U.S. 'Joint Press Statement' is fake (machine translation):

Jakarta, KOMPAS – Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto confirmed that there was no joint statement with the US Defense Ministry when he met US Defense Minister Lloyd Austin last week. Prabowo said that Indonesia is in principle friendly to all countries and adheres to a free and active foreign policy.

“Indonesia's position is very clear. We are non-aligned. We are non-aligned, we are friendly with all countries. So I think that's what matters, " Prabowo said after handing over an electric trail bike for the TNI and Polri at the Ministry of Defense, Thursday (31/8).

Prabowo stressed that there was no joint statement with the US Defense Ministry. The Pentagon said in a joint statement that the two ministers shared similar views on China's maritime claims and expansionist actions in the South China Sea. In this regard, in line with the principle of active freedom, Prabowo again emphasized that Indonesia has good relations with China, the United States and Russia.

The Pentagon's diplomatic faux pas, issuing a 'Joint Statement' when none had been agreed upon, may well become costly. Indonesia and other will surely take note of it and will be prepared to loudly dismiss any recurance.

Comments

BYD now China’s largest EV producer..
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/29/shares-of-chinas-byd-jump-after-ev-maker-posts-200percent-rise-in-h1-profit.html
Shares of Chinese automaker BYD listed in China jump more than 5% Tuesday, a day after posting a stellar jump in first half profit.
Thanks to record deliveries, the Chinese electric car maker on Monday posted a 204.68% jump in net profit for the first half of the year — that’s net earnings of 10.95 billion yuan ($1.50 billion) in the January to June period, compared to 3.59 billion yuan a year earlier.
Hong-Kong listed shares of the automaker rose 5.6% while stocks in Shenzhen were up as much as 4.75% on Tuesday.
The strong numbers were mainly attributable to rapid growth in the new energy vehicle business, the firm said in a stock filing.
Revenue in the first six months increased 72.72%, compared to the first half of 2022, according to the stock filing.
“If you look at BYD numbers, clearly the top line growth has been very strong, but we are even more impressed by its margins. BYD’s gross margin in the first half was 18%. That’s Tesla’s gross margin,” according to Jiong Shao, Barclays’ China technology analyst.
China’s top-selling car brand posted its best-ever quarterly sales results. Sales of passenger new energy vehicles in the second quarter were 700,244 units, up about 98% year-on-year, according to the company.
In comparison, U.S. rival Tesla reported deliveries of 466,140 vehicles globally for the second quarter.
China is the largest auto market in the world by sales and production. It is also the largest EV market in the world, and a key driver in the push toward electric cars.

China is imploding???
Booming!!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 13:22 utc | 301

BYD now China’s largest EV producer..
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/29/shares-of-chinas-byd-jump-after-ev-maker-posts-200percent-rise-in-h1-profit.html
Shares of Chinese automaker BYD listed in China jump more than 5% Tuesday, a day after posting a stellar jump in first half profit.
Thanks to record deliveries, the Chinese electric car maker on Monday posted a 204.68% jump in net profit for the first half of the year — that’s net earnings of 10.95 billion yuan ($1.50 billion) in the January to June period, compared to 3.59 billion yuan a year earlier.
Hong-Kong listed shares of the automaker rose 5.6% while stocks in Shenzhen were up as much as 4.75% on Tuesday.
The strong numbers were mainly attributable to rapid growth in the new energy vehicle business, the firm said in a stock filing.
Revenue in the first six months increased 72.72%, compared to the first half of 2022, according to the stock filing.
“If you look at BYD numbers, clearly the top line growth has been very strong, but we are even more impressed by its margins. BYD’s gross margin in the first half was 18%. That’s Tesla’s gross margin,” according to Jiong Shao, Barclays’ China technology analyst.
China’s top-selling car brand posted its best-ever quarterly sales results. Sales of passenger new energy vehicles in the second quarter were 700,244 units, up about 98% year-on-year, according to the company.
In comparison, U.S. rival Tesla reported deliveries of 466,140 vehicles globally for the second quarter.
China is the largest auto market in the world by sales and production. It is also the largest EV market in the world, and a key driver in the push toward electric cars.

China is imploding???
Booming!!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 13:22 utc | 302

Ignore news of China’s economic collapse…
https://mronline.org/2023/08/31/the-news-is-full-of-headlines-about-chinas-economic-collapse-ignore-them/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-news-is-full-of-headlines-about-chinas-economic-collapse-ignore-them%C2%A0
| Visitors watch robotic arms assemble a car during the World Robot Conference in Beijing last week | MR Online
The news is full of headlines about ‘China’s economic collapse’ — ignore them
By John Ross (Posted Aug 31, 2023)
Originally published: Morning Star Online on August 2023 (more by Morning Star Online) |
Economic Crisis, Economic Theory, Financialization, Political EconomyAsia, ChinaNewswire
IN THE last four years, covering the period of the Covid pandemic, China’s economy has grown two-and-a-half times as fast as the U.S., 15 times as fast as France, 23 times as fast as Japan, 45 times as fast as Germany, and 480 times as fast as Britain.
To add in smaller G7 countries, China has grown four times as fast as Canada, and 11 times as fast as Italy.
China’s outperformance of advanced capitalist countries is even greater in per capita terms–a still better measure of productivity changes and potential for increasing living standards.
China’s per capita GDP grew three times as fast as the U.S., five times as fast as Italy, 44 times as fast as Japan or France, and 260 times as fast as Britain–while per capita GDP fell in Germany and Canada.
China’s outperformance of developing capitalist countries shows the same pattern–China’s per capita 4.4 per cent GDP annual average growth compares to 2.6 per cent in India, 1.3 per cent in Brazil, or 0.9 per cent in South Africa.
What is important about such economic growth, of course, is not abstract statistics but its meaning for the real lives of ordinary people.
The International Labour Organisation data on real, inflation-adjusted, wages shows that up to the latest available data–for most countries to 2022, and for India to 2021–China’s annual real wage growth was 4.7 per cent.
For Britain it was 0.1 per cent, for the U.S. it was 0.3 per cent, in France it was minus 0.4 per cent, in Germany minus 0.7 per cent and in India minus 1.3 per cent.
Given this enormous economic outperformance by China of capitalist countries, any rational discussion that should be taking place in Western mainstream media about the international economic situation would be, “why is China’s economy hugely outperforming the U.S. and the rest of the capitalist West?”

Why indeed???
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 13:24 utc | 303

Ignore news of China’s economic collapse…
https://mronline.org/2023/08/31/the-news-is-full-of-headlines-about-chinas-economic-collapse-ignore-them/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-news-is-full-of-headlines-about-chinas-economic-collapse-ignore-them%C2%A0
| Visitors watch robotic arms assemble a car during the World Robot Conference in Beijing last week | MR Online
The news is full of headlines about ‘China’s economic collapse’ — ignore them
By John Ross (Posted Aug 31, 2023)
Originally published: Morning Star Online on August 2023 (more by Morning Star Online) |
Economic Crisis, Economic Theory, Financialization, Political EconomyAsia, ChinaNewswire
IN THE last four years, covering the period of the Covid pandemic, China’s economy has grown two-and-a-half times as fast as the U.S., 15 times as fast as France, 23 times as fast as Japan, 45 times as fast as Germany, and 480 times as fast as Britain.
To add in smaller G7 countries, China has grown four times as fast as Canada, and 11 times as fast as Italy.
China’s outperformance of advanced capitalist countries is even greater in per capita terms–a still better measure of productivity changes and potential for increasing living standards.
China’s per capita GDP grew three times as fast as the U.S., five times as fast as Italy, 44 times as fast as Japan or France, and 260 times as fast as Britain–while per capita GDP fell in Germany and Canada.
China’s outperformance of developing capitalist countries shows the same pattern–China’s per capita 4.4 per cent GDP annual average growth compares to 2.6 per cent in India, 1.3 per cent in Brazil, or 0.9 per cent in South Africa.
What is important about such economic growth, of course, is not abstract statistics but its meaning for the real lives of ordinary people.
The International Labour Organisation data on real, inflation-adjusted, wages shows that up to the latest available data–for most countries to 2022, and for India to 2021–China’s annual real wage growth was 4.7 per cent.
For Britain it was 0.1 per cent, for the U.S. it was 0.3 per cent, in France it was minus 0.4 per cent, in Germany minus 0.7 per cent and in India minus 1.3 per cent.
Given this enormous economic outperformance by China of capitalist countries, any rational discussion that should be taking place in Western mainstream media about the international economic situation would be, “why is China’s economy hugely outperforming the U.S. and the rest of the capitalist West?”

Why indeed???
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 13:24 utc | 304

China develops Giant Hybrid Rice yielding 9,000 Kg / hectare
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3232939/chinas-giant-rice-hybrid-yields-bumper-harvest-what-could-be-game-changer-food-security?module=more_top_stories_int&pgtype=homepage
China’s “giant rice” hybrid, which can grow twice as tall as conventional varieties, experienced a bumper harvest this month, and its high yields could make it an important tool in Beijing’s food security drive.
Lu Xiwan, a farmer in Guangxi Zhuang autonomous region, planted 13.3 hectares of the rice variety this year and obtained a yield of 2,200-3,000kg (4,850-6,614lbs) more rice per hectare (2.5 acres) compared to previous years, according to state news agency Xinhua.
China News Service reported on August 19 that giant rice was capable of producing yields 30 per cent higher than conventional rice, reaching 9,000kg per hectare.
The giant rice variety, developed by a research team at the Chinese Academy of Sciences Institute of Subtropical Agriculture in 2017, was created with the aim of producing more rice per hectare.
It can grow up to 2.2 metres (7.2 feet) in height and has a number of advantages including higher yields, drought tolerance and resistance to waterlogging, disease and pests, according to Xinhua.

Meanwhile India banns exports of domestically produced basmati rice due to shortages…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 13:26 utc | 305

China develops Giant Hybrid Rice yielding 9,000 Kg / hectare
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3232939/chinas-giant-rice-hybrid-yields-bumper-harvest-what-could-be-game-changer-food-security?module=more_top_stories_int&pgtype=homepage
China’s “giant rice” hybrid, which can grow twice as tall as conventional varieties, experienced a bumper harvest this month, and its high yields could make it an important tool in Beijing’s food security drive.
Lu Xiwan, a farmer in Guangxi Zhuang autonomous region, planted 13.3 hectares of the rice variety this year and obtained a yield of 2,200-3,000kg (4,850-6,614lbs) more rice per hectare (2.5 acres) compared to previous years, according to state news agency Xinhua.
China News Service reported on August 19 that giant rice was capable of producing yields 30 per cent higher than conventional rice, reaching 9,000kg per hectare.
The giant rice variety, developed by a research team at the Chinese Academy of Sciences Institute of Subtropical Agriculture in 2017, was created with the aim of producing more rice per hectare.
It can grow up to 2.2 metres (7.2 feet) in height and has a number of advantages including higher yields, drought tolerance and resistance to waterlogging, disease and pests, according to Xinhua.

Meanwhile India banns exports of domestically produced basmati rice due to shortages…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 13:26 utc | 306

China now practicing seawater aquaculture in it’s deserts…
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3232825/chinas-food-security-xinjiang-develops-seawater-aquafarming-desert-region-amid-agriculture-focus?module=more_top_stories_int&pgtype=homepage
China’s inland Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region has started to develop seawater aquafarming, including freshwater fish, king prawn, abalone and lobsters, as part of efforts to seek technological breakthroughs in agriculture.
Aquaculture firm Xinjiang Shi Shi Xian, which was founded in the rural region in 2022, said it has succeeded in a pilot project to develop technology to simulate seawater in its fishery located on the edge of a desert.
The saline level – a mixture of salt and water – in southern Xinjiang is naturally “close to the level in seawater”, said project lead Chen Jiazhen.

Now the US will ban Ugyur lobster..
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 13:28 utc | 307

China now practicing seawater aquaculture in it’s deserts…
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3232825/chinas-food-security-xinjiang-develops-seawater-aquafarming-desert-region-amid-agriculture-focus?module=more_top_stories_int&pgtype=homepage
China’s inland Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region has started to develop seawater aquafarming, including freshwater fish, king prawn, abalone and lobsters, as part of efforts to seek technological breakthroughs in agriculture.
Aquaculture firm Xinjiang Shi Shi Xian, which was founded in the rural region in 2022, said it has succeeded in a pilot project to develop technology to simulate seawater in its fishery located on the edge of a desert.
The saline level – a mixture of salt and water – in southern Xinjiang is naturally “close to the level in seawater”, said project lead Chen Jiazhen.

Now the US will ban Ugyur lobster..
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 13:28 utc | 308

@Ghost of Zanon | Sep 2 2023 13:12 utc | 150
“…it’s September, and Turkey has not done squat to put the admission of Sweden into NATO before parliament. The story seems to have disappeared from the press.”
According to yesterdays swedish daily newspaper SVD
“Sweden will be admitted to NATO – probably in October.
Turkey’s President Erdogan has too much to lose not to approve the country.
That was the message from the two leading members of the US House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee.”

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 2 2023 13:32 utc | 309

@Ghost of Zanon | Sep 2 2023 13:12 utc | 150
“…it’s September, and Turkey has not done squat to put the admission of Sweden into NATO before parliament. The story seems to have disappeared from the press.”
According to yesterdays swedish daily newspaper SVD
“Sweden will be admitted to NATO – probably in October.
Turkey’s President Erdogan has too much to lose not to approve the country.
That was the message from the two leading members of the US House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee.”

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 2 2023 13:32 utc | 310

Huawei unveils new 5G Mate cell phone with 5 nm processor, domestically produced..
https://consumer.huawei.com/za/community/details/HUAWEI-Mate-40-Pro-5G-Powerful-5-nm-Kirin-9000-5G-SoC/topicId_142941/
The new HUAWEI Mate 40 Pro 5G is the pinnacle of HUAWEI technology. The Best smartphone by far with powerful performance and innovative design at your fingertips.
The HUAWEI Mate 40 Pro is powered by HUAWEI’s most powerful Kirin Chipset: The 5nm 5G SoC Kirin 9000 and the world’s first 24-core Mali-G78 GPU (Graphics Processing Unit).
some of the technical terms so you can understand better what the chipset does.
5nm (nanometer) Processor
5 nm (nanometer) is the size of the transistors in a CPU. Having smaller transistors is more efficient and it means that we can put more transistors on the same space as compared to a 7 nm processor. These improvements in manufacturing process result in higher power, efficiency and higher overall performance.
5G (fifth Generation Technology)
The fifth generation technology standard for broadband cellular networks. The main advantage of the new networks is that it has greater bandwidth, giving higher download speeds, of up to 10 gigabits per second (Gbit/s). 5G also reduces latency — the time it takes for a cell phone (or other connected device) to make a request from a server and get a response — to virtually zero. And it will make communication with cloud platforms faster and easier.
SoC (Security Operation Center)
Is a centralized unit that deals with security issues on an organizational and technical level. It comprises the three building blocks people, processes, and technology for managing and enhancing the security posture, while preventing, detecting, analyzing, and responding to cybersecurity incidents.
CPU (Central Processing Unit)
A central processing unit (CPU), also called a central processor, main processor or just processor. It’s the electronic circuitry that executes instructions comprising a computer program. The CPU performs basic arithmetic, logic, controlling, and input/output (I/O) operations specified by the instructions in the program. This contrasts with external components such as main memory and I/O circuitry, and specialized processors such as graphics processing units (GPUs).
24-core Mali-G78 GPU (graphics processing unit)
GPU is a specialized electronic circuit designed to rapidly manipulate and alter memory to accelerate the creation of images in a frame buffer intended for output to a display device. The new Mali-G78 can help achieve a PC and console looking graphics, better XR, and machine learning performance compared to the previous generations. It supports up to 24 cores allowing the highest-ever performance point. Mali-G78 brings 15 percent more performance density, 10 percent better energy efficiency, and 15 percent greater machine learning performance.
Kirin 9000 has a better energy efficiency ratio, in which CPU energy efficiency is 25% higher, GPU energy efficiency is 50% higher, and NPU energy efficiency is 150% higher.
this chip comes with the highest frequency and architecture with 8-cores. The clock speed reaches 3.13GHz, which is 10% faster than competing products.
CPU
With a big core clocking at 3.13 GHz and a three-level architecture, the octa-core CPU is tailored for improved performance and power efficiency.
CPU
• 1 x Cortex-A77@ 3.13 GHz
• 3 x Cortex-A77@ 2.54 GHz
• 4 x Cortex-A55@ 2.05 GHz
NPU
Consisting of two big cores and a tiny core, the reimagined NPU pushes AI processing to new heights, and applies it across a wide range of functions including camera features, gesture controls and AI-assisted object recognition. The NPU (Neural Processing Unit) is 2.4x faster.
ISP (Image Signal Processor)
Kirin 9000’s Image Signal Processor (ISP) is significantly more powerful than the one on the Kirin 990 and it also offers better noise reduction and HDR video processing capabilities. The ISP takes care of all the general tasks of a camera such as autofocus, exposure or white balance, face detection and conversion between color spaces.
GPU
The 24-core Mali-G78 GPU offers heightened image processing so you can enjoy immersive gaming experience. It has game-changing Asynchronous. Which is Top level to maximizes performance productivity on the cores.

Huawei is back! Has overcome USA sanctions… now producing state of the art chips and phones!
NO US parts! NO US IP!!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 13:34 utc | 311

Huawei unveils new 5G Mate cell phone with 5 nm processor, domestically produced..
https://consumer.huawei.com/za/community/details/HUAWEI-Mate-40-Pro-5G-Powerful-5-nm-Kirin-9000-5G-SoC/topicId_142941/
The new HUAWEI Mate 40 Pro 5G is the pinnacle of HUAWEI technology. The Best smartphone by far with powerful performance and innovative design at your fingertips.
The HUAWEI Mate 40 Pro is powered by HUAWEI’s most powerful Kirin Chipset: The 5nm 5G SoC Kirin 9000 and the world’s first 24-core Mali-G78 GPU (Graphics Processing Unit).
some of the technical terms so you can understand better what the chipset does.
5nm (nanometer) Processor
5 nm (nanometer) is the size of the transistors in a CPU. Having smaller transistors is more efficient and it means that we can put more transistors on the same space as compared to a 7 nm processor. These improvements in manufacturing process result in higher power, efficiency and higher overall performance.
5G (fifth Generation Technology)
The fifth generation technology standard for broadband cellular networks. The main advantage of the new networks is that it has greater bandwidth, giving higher download speeds, of up to 10 gigabits per second (Gbit/s). 5G also reduces latency — the time it takes for a cell phone (or other connected device) to make a request from a server and get a response — to virtually zero. And it will make communication with cloud platforms faster and easier.
SoC (Security Operation Center)
Is a centralized unit that deals with security issues on an organizational and technical level. It comprises the three building blocks people, processes, and technology for managing and enhancing the security posture, while preventing, detecting, analyzing, and responding to cybersecurity incidents.
CPU (Central Processing Unit)
A central processing unit (CPU), also called a central processor, main processor or just processor. It’s the electronic circuitry that executes instructions comprising a computer program. The CPU performs basic arithmetic, logic, controlling, and input/output (I/O) operations specified by the instructions in the program. This contrasts with external components such as main memory and I/O circuitry, and specialized processors such as graphics processing units (GPUs).
24-core Mali-G78 GPU (graphics processing unit)
GPU is a specialized electronic circuit designed to rapidly manipulate and alter memory to accelerate the creation of images in a frame buffer intended for output to a display device. The new Mali-G78 can help achieve a PC and console looking graphics, better XR, and machine learning performance compared to the previous generations. It supports up to 24 cores allowing the highest-ever performance point. Mali-G78 brings 15 percent more performance density, 10 percent better energy efficiency, and 15 percent greater machine learning performance.
Kirin 9000 has a better energy efficiency ratio, in which CPU energy efficiency is 25% higher, GPU energy efficiency is 50% higher, and NPU energy efficiency is 150% higher.
this chip comes with the highest frequency and architecture with 8-cores. The clock speed reaches 3.13GHz, which is 10% faster than competing products.
CPU
With a big core clocking at 3.13 GHz and a three-level architecture, the octa-core CPU is tailored for improved performance and power efficiency.
CPU
• 1 x Cortex-A77@ 3.13 GHz
• 3 x Cortex-A77@ 2.54 GHz
• 4 x Cortex-A55@ 2.05 GHz
NPU
Consisting of two big cores and a tiny core, the reimagined NPU pushes AI processing to new heights, and applies it across a wide range of functions including camera features, gesture controls and AI-assisted object recognition. The NPU (Neural Processing Unit) is 2.4x faster.
ISP (Image Signal Processor)
Kirin 9000’s Image Signal Processor (ISP) is significantly more powerful than the one on the Kirin 990 and it also offers better noise reduction and HDR video processing capabilities. The ISP takes care of all the general tasks of a camera such as autofocus, exposure or white balance, face detection and conversion between color spaces.
GPU
The 24-core Mali-G78 GPU offers heightened image processing so you can enjoy immersive gaming experience. It has game-changing Asynchronous. Which is Top level to maximizes performance productivity on the cores.

Huawei is back! Has overcome USA sanctions… now producing state of the art chips and phones!
NO US parts! NO US IP!!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 13:34 utc | 312

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 2 2023 13:32 utc | 156
That’s a nice fairy tale they’re telling. Note the source.
I’ll believe it when I see it. I think Erdo has more tricks up his sleeves.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 2 2023 13:37 utc | 313

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 2 2023 13:32 utc | 156
That’s a nice fairy tale they’re telling. Note the source.
I’ll believe it when I see it. I think Erdo has more tricks up his sleeves.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 2 2023 13:37 utc | 314

SoC (Security Operation Center)
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 13:34 utc | 157

SoC is “System on Chip”.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 2 2023 13:46 utc | 315

SoC (Security Operation Center)
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 13:34 utc | 157

SoC is “System on Chip”.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 2 2023 13:46 utc | 316

Posted by: Chas | Sep 2 2023 13:01 utc | 148
Here in Oakville , Ontario hanging ‘washing’ in your yard is illegal.
The town politicians (pop. 200,000 people) talk incessantly about ‘climate change’ but if they think real estate values will fall one penny they close their eyes to real solutions like drying your clothes in nature.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 2 2023 13:49 utc | 317

Posted by: Chas | Sep 2 2023 13:01 utc | 148
Here in Oakville , Ontario hanging ‘washing’ in your yard is illegal.
The town politicians (pop. 200,000 people) talk incessantly about ‘climate change’ but if they think real estate values will fall one penny they close their eyes to real solutions like drying your clothes in nature.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 2 2023 13:49 utc | 318

@ Immaculate deception | Sep 2 2023 4:04 utc | 102
planned obsolescence………. and on your other post – yes wars are not helpful to the planet on any level as i see it..

Posted by: james | Sep 2 2023 14:21 utc | 319

@ Immaculate deception | Sep 2 2023 4:04 utc | 102
planned obsolescence………. and on your other post – yes wars are not helpful to the planet on any level as i see it..

Posted by: james | Sep 2 2023 14:21 utc | 320

Now the US will ban Ugyur lobster..
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 13:28 utc | 155
LOL! new keyboard!1!

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 2 2023 14:31 utc | 321

Now the US will ban Ugyur lobster..
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 13:28 utc | 155
LOL! new keyboard!1!

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 2 2023 14:31 utc | 322

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Sep 2 2023 10:52 utc | 139
Using Japan to attack China would be about as effective as arming Berkeley liberals with advanced military equipment and having them attack the rest of the US…
Those are proxy wars I’d actually like to see

Posted by: Wickerman | Sep 2 2023 14:40 utc | 323

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Sep 2 2023 10:52 utc | 139
Using Japan to attack China would be about as effective as arming Berkeley liberals with advanced military equipment and having them attack the rest of the US…
Those are proxy wars I’d actually like to see

Posted by: Wickerman | Sep 2 2023 14:40 utc | 324

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 2 2023 1:19 utc | 85
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As I have gone through life (old man, LOL) I’ve come to appreciate the power of two things. Silence and emotional detachment.
Gaslighting is like a tic. People who are nervous or insecure are likely to take that accusatory tactic to shift blame and attention away from themselves, rather than confront their own inconsistencies and misdeeds. Clearly an anti-personal-growth behavior.
If we wanted to sort people, a useful standard may be, “Who is accountable?”. Accountable people can be reasoned with, can evolve, and have humility. Many of our modern Western civilizational systems are about avoiding accountability. From fiat money (print today, pay tomorrow or never), corporations shifting liability, welfare from the government replacing charity from our neighbors and family (accountability for our relationships), ubiquitous abortion, etc.
And to close out the thought, that is an important role religion plays. It reminds us that we’re all accountable to something higher than us. Many different approaches and flavors in the spiritual hierarchy, but always the same message of humility. Memento Mori.
Clearly, the Chinese government tries to demand more accountability from its citizens/enterprises/policies than the governments of the West. And that difference in intention is likely what is driving the difference in results. A good tree (or a tree trying to be good) doesn’t bear rotten fruit.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 14:55 utc | 325

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 2 2023 1:19 utc | 85
#########
As I have gone through life (old man, LOL) I’ve come to appreciate the power of two things. Silence and emotional detachment.
Gaslighting is like a tic. People who are nervous or insecure are likely to take that accusatory tactic to shift blame and attention away from themselves, rather than confront their own inconsistencies and misdeeds. Clearly an anti-personal-growth behavior.
If we wanted to sort people, a useful standard may be, “Who is accountable?”. Accountable people can be reasoned with, can evolve, and have humility. Many of our modern Western civilizational systems are about avoiding accountability. From fiat money (print today, pay tomorrow or never), corporations shifting liability, welfare from the government replacing charity from our neighbors and family (accountability for our relationships), ubiquitous abortion, etc.
And to close out the thought, that is an important role religion plays. It reminds us that we’re all accountable to something higher than us. Many different approaches and flavors in the spiritual hierarchy, but always the same message of humility. Memento Mori.
Clearly, the Chinese government tries to demand more accountability from its citizens/enterprises/policies than the governments of the West. And that difference in intention is likely what is driving the difference in results. A good tree (or a tree trying to be good) doesn’t bear rotten fruit.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 14:55 utc | 326

LoveDonbass #38, to define a true victory is a decisive military win. In the case of Russia it should mean what has been stated by leadership, the removal of the Zelensky-NATO syndicate from the Ukraine. A pyrrhic victory, in my estimation is to not defeat the enemy as Russian leadership stated and negotiate with the Zelensky-NATO syndicate a useless truce and call it a victory of ‘sorts’. A fact, the longer the war is dragged out by all sides increase the risk of greater escalation. I would like the war to end sooner, rather than later. The argument that Russia will continue to have the upper hand in the Ukrainian war theater is nothing but a best guess or a wish based on astrology, the future is unknown, war is unforgiving.
Posted by: Bill Miner | Sep 2 2023 2:27 utc | 89
###########
Who had the last decisive military win? One could argue that the current conflict is an extension of WW2, which was an extension of WW1.
The Russians, in my opinion, have a much greater appreciation of the scope and consequences than the West does. It’s nothing for NATO to kick off another war somewhere. The war will end when the West can no longer fight it. Militarily, economically, politically, logistically.
Buckle up, it is unlikely there will be a Hollywood action movie end to this conflict. Russia will need to outlast NATO and that could take a few more years. If later it took a decade, in retrospect, that would probably make sense to me.
Don’t let fear of outcomes beyond your control occupy your attention.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 15:12 utc | 327

LoveDonbass #38, to define a true victory is a decisive military win. In the case of Russia it should mean what has been stated by leadership, the removal of the Zelensky-NATO syndicate from the Ukraine. A pyrrhic victory, in my estimation is to not defeat the enemy as Russian leadership stated and negotiate with the Zelensky-NATO syndicate a useless truce and call it a victory of ‘sorts’. A fact, the longer the war is dragged out by all sides increase the risk of greater escalation. I would like the war to end sooner, rather than later. The argument that Russia will continue to have the upper hand in the Ukrainian war theater is nothing but a best guess or a wish based on astrology, the future is unknown, war is unforgiving.
Posted by: Bill Miner | Sep 2 2023 2:27 utc | 89
###########
Who had the last decisive military win? One could argue that the current conflict is an extension of WW2, which was an extension of WW1.
The Russians, in my opinion, have a much greater appreciation of the scope and consequences than the West does. It’s nothing for NATO to kick off another war somewhere. The war will end when the West can no longer fight it. Militarily, economically, politically, logistically.
Buckle up, it is unlikely there will be a Hollywood action movie end to this conflict. Russia will need to outlast NATO and that could take a few more years. If later it took a decade, in retrospect, that would probably make sense to me.
Don’t let fear of outcomes beyond your control occupy your attention.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 15:12 utc | 328

Can’t recall his name but one of Taiwan’s richest men has declared for the presidency and publicly vowed not to allow Taiwan become another Ukraine.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2023 23:10 utc | 71
Foxconn founder Terry Gou has entered the Taiwanese presidential race

to bring peace with China and prevent the self-governing island from becoming a geopolitical pawn in a bloody conflict with its larger neighbor.
“Taiwan must not become Ukraine, and I will not let Taiwan become the next Ukraine,” Gou said in a speech announcing his candidacy on Monday in Taipei. “I implore the Taiwanese people to give me four years. I promise that I will bring 50 years of peace to the Taiwan Strait.” He pledged to build a foundation of “mutual trust” with Beijing.
Gou, 72, became the fourth candidate to enter the race for Taiwan’s presidential election in January [2024]. He failed to secure the nomination of the main opposition party, Kuomintang (KMT), just as he did after stepping down as Foxconn’s chairman in 2019, but he decided to run this time around as an independent. If he’s unable to unify opposition forces, he risks splitting the vote, opening the door for a potentially easy victory by current Vice President William Lai, the ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) candidate.
[…]

Who is Terry Gou? Foxconn Founder Enters Race to Become Taiwan’s President

… Gou said at a press conference he will make Taiwan overtake Singapore within 20 years” and have the highest GDP per capita in Asia. “If Singapore can do it, so can Taiwan. We need to pull the country back to the path of peace and prosperity through this election. Only by doing so can hundreds of industries safely develop and can people live and work in peace and contentment,” Gou said, according to IANS. “Taiwan should absolutely not become Ukraine. I shall never let Taiwan be the next Ukraine …I can guarantee that I’ll bring 50 years of peace to the Taiwan Strait,” he added….

State.gov associated press splainin
Foxconn Founder Muddies Taiwan Election Race With Presidency Bid

His wildcard entry as an independent candidate has been criticised by the main opposition party, the Kuomintang (KMT), which fears Gou could split its vote, and is being closely watched by the ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) in case he does against expectations unite their challengers.
[…]
The election comes at a time that relations between Taipei and Beijing, which claims the island as its own and has refused to rule out seizing it by force, have soured. Beijing has staged multiple military drills around the island in recent years, drawing condemnation from the United States and its allies. The DPP and their candidate William Lai, which opinion polls show ahead by a comfortable margin, have repeatedly clashed with Beijing which paints them as secessionists.
Before he announced his bid to run on Monday, Gou earlier this year sought the candidacy for the opposition KMT, which advocates for friendlier relations with Beijing. He lost to New Taipei City Mayor Hou Yu-ih and in a Facebook post at the time said he would support Hou
[…]
Senior DPP lawmaker Wang Ting-yu posted on his Facebook page a cartoon he had drawn of three cars representing the three opposition candidates, Ko, Hou, and Gou, in a game of “chicken”.
“Which of the three will back down? Or will they go right to the end and collide?”
There’s also no guarantee Gou will end up on the ballot. To qualify as an independent, he has to collect close to 300,000 [!] voter signatures by Nov. 2, according to election [“]regulations[“]. The cut off date for political parties to register their candidates is not until Nov. 24, meaning it is theoretically possible for them to change their nominees, or withdraw them completely, before then.

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 2 2023 15:13 utc | 329

Can’t recall his name but one of Taiwan’s richest men has declared for the presidency and publicly vowed not to allow Taiwan become another Ukraine.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2023 23:10 utc | 71
Foxconn founder Terry Gou has entered the Taiwanese presidential race

to bring peace with China and prevent the self-governing island from becoming a geopolitical pawn in a bloody conflict with its larger neighbor.
“Taiwan must not become Ukraine, and I will not let Taiwan become the next Ukraine,” Gou said in a speech announcing his candidacy on Monday in Taipei. “I implore the Taiwanese people to give me four years. I promise that I will bring 50 years of peace to the Taiwan Strait.” He pledged to build a foundation of “mutual trust” with Beijing.
Gou, 72, became the fourth candidate to enter the race for Taiwan’s presidential election in January [2024]. He failed to secure the nomination of the main opposition party, Kuomintang (KMT), just as he did after stepping down as Foxconn’s chairman in 2019, but he decided to run this time around as an independent. If he’s unable to unify opposition forces, he risks splitting the vote, opening the door for a potentially easy victory by current Vice President William Lai, the ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) candidate.
[…]

Who is Terry Gou? Foxconn Founder Enters Race to Become Taiwan’s President

… Gou said at a press conference he will make Taiwan overtake Singapore within 20 years” and have the highest GDP per capita in Asia. “If Singapore can do it, so can Taiwan. We need to pull the country back to the path of peace and prosperity through this election. Only by doing so can hundreds of industries safely develop and can people live and work in peace and contentment,” Gou said, according to IANS. “Taiwan should absolutely not become Ukraine. I shall never let Taiwan be the next Ukraine …I can guarantee that I’ll bring 50 years of peace to the Taiwan Strait,” he added….

State.gov associated press splainin
Foxconn Founder Muddies Taiwan Election Race With Presidency Bid

His wildcard entry as an independent candidate has been criticised by the main opposition party, the Kuomintang (KMT), which fears Gou could split its vote, and is being closely watched by the ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) in case he does against expectations unite their challengers.
[…]
The election comes at a time that relations between Taipei and Beijing, which claims the island as its own and has refused to rule out seizing it by force, have soured. Beijing has staged multiple military drills around the island in recent years, drawing condemnation from the United States and its allies. The DPP and their candidate William Lai, which opinion polls show ahead by a comfortable margin, have repeatedly clashed with Beijing which paints them as secessionists.
Before he announced his bid to run on Monday, Gou earlier this year sought the candidacy for the opposition KMT, which advocates for friendlier relations with Beijing. He lost to New Taipei City Mayor Hou Yu-ih and in a Facebook post at the time said he would support Hou
[…]
Senior DPP lawmaker Wang Ting-yu posted on his Facebook page a cartoon he had drawn of three cars representing the three opposition candidates, Ko, Hou, and Gou, in a game of “chicken”.
“Which of the three will back down? Or will they go right to the end and collide?”
There’s also no guarantee Gou will end up on the ballot. To qualify as an independent, he has to collect close to 300,000 [!] voter signatures by Nov. 2, according to election [“]regulations[“]. The cut off date for political parties to register their candidates is not until Nov. 24, meaning it is theoretically possible for them to change their nominees, or withdraw them completely, before then.

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 2 2023 15:13 utc | 330

This is not exactly on topic…. But in many ways, it is…..
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/A-World-Running-On-Empty-The-Decline-Of-Fossil-Fuel-Supply.html
By Gail Tverberg – Sep 01, 2023, 6:00 PM CDT
Analysis of 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy data shows constrained global supplies of fossil fuels like oil, coal, and natural gas, particularly in interregional trading.
Constraints in supply are affecting energy prices, making them highly variable and less affordable for consumers, thereby affecting the global economy, including industries like manufacturing.
The cost-intensive infrastructure needed for long-distance natural gas exports is becoming increasingly unsustainable, posing risks to both investors and consumers.
Oil Barrels
For many years, there has been a theory that imports of oil would become a problem before there was an overall shortage of fossil fuels. In fact, when I look at the data, it seems to be clear that oil imports are already constrained.
Figure 1. Interregional trade of fossil fuels based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.
As I look at the data, it appears to me that coal and natural gas imports are becoming constrained, as well. There was evidence of this constrained supply in the spiking prices for these fuels in Europe in late 2021 and early 2022, starting well before the Ukraine conflict began.
Oil, coal, and natural gas are different enough from each other that we should expect somewhat different patterns. Oil is inexpensive to transport. It is especially important for the production of food and for transportation. Prices tend to be worldwide prices.
Coal and natural gas are both more expensive to transport than oil. They tend to be used in industry, in the heating and cooling of buildings, and in electricity production. Their prices tend to be local prices, rather than the worldwide price we expect for oil. Prices for importers of these fuels can jump very high if there are shortages.
In this post, I first look at the trends in the overall supply of these fuels, since a big part of the import problem is fossil fuel supply not growing quickly enough to keep pace with world population growth. I also give more background how the three fossil fuels differ.
After this introductory material, I provide charts and some analysis of fossil fuel imports and exports by region, based on data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy. Theoretically, the total of regional imports should be very close to the total of regional exports. This analysis gives a little more insight into what is going wrong and where.
[1] On a worldwide basis, total supplies of both oil and coal seem to be constrained.
Figure 2. World consumption of oil, coal, and natural gas based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.
Figure 2 shows that world supplies of all three fossil fuels follow the same general pattern: They tend to rise in close to parallel lines, with oil supply on top, coal next, and natural gas providing the least supply.
The total supply of fossil fuels needs to be shared by the world’s population. It therefore makes sense to look at supply on a per capita basis.
Figure 3. World per capita consumption of oil, coal, and natural gas, based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.
On Figure 3, the top line, oil supply per capita, is almost perfectly level, suggesting that having a greater supply of oil enables having a larger world population. This relationship makes sense because oil is used to a significant extent in growing today’s food, and shipping it to market. Oil products also make herbicides, insecticides, and drugs for animals that enable the growing supply of food needed to feed today’s population. Oil products are also helpful in road making, and in providing lubrication for machinery of all kinds.
We might conclude that oil supply is essential to the growth of human population. It is only by way of a huge change in the economy, such as the one that took place in 2020, that there is a big dip in oil usage. Even now, some of the changes are “sticking.” Some people are continuing to work from home. Business travel is still low. People are still not buying fancy clothing as much as before 2020. All these things help reduce fossil fuel usage, particularly oil usage.
Figure 3 also shows that on a per capita basis, coal supply has fallen by 9% since its peak in 2011. This fact, plus the fact that coal prices have been spiking around the world in recent years, leads me to believe that coal supply is already constrained, even apart from the export issue.
[2] The share of oil traded interregionally is more than double the share of coal or natural gas traded interregionally.
The reason why oil is disproportionately high in Figure 1 compared to Figure 2 is because a little over 40% of oil is shipped between regions. In comparison, only about 18% of coal production is traded with other regions, and about 17% of natural gas production is shipped interregionally. Oil is much easier (and cheaper) to transport between regions than either coal or natural gas. Shipping costs tend to escalate rapidly, the farther either natural gas or coal is shipped.
Natural gas has a second problem over and above the high cost of shipping: It requires storage (which may be high cost) if it is not used immediately. Storage is needed for both natural gas and coal because both fuels are often used for heat in winter, either by direct burning or by creating electricity that can be used to heat buildings. Storage for coal is close to free because it can be stored in piles outside.
Besides heat in winter, coal is also used to provide electricity for air conditioning in summer, so its demand curve has peaks in both summer and winter. Natural gas is much more of a winter-heat fuel in the US, so it has a large peak corresponding to winter usage (Figure 4).
Storage for natural gas needs to be available in every area where users expect to use it for winter heat. The cost of this storage will be low if there are depleted natural gas caverns that can be used for storage. It is likely to be high if above ground storage is required. Natural gas importing areas often do not have suitable caverns for storage. The easy approach is to try to get by with a bare minimum of storage, and hope that imports can somehow make up the difference.
The big question for any fuel is, “Can consumers afford to pay a high enough price to cover all the costs involved in getting the fuel from endpoint to endpoint, at the time it is needed?“
Citizens become very unhappy if the cost of winter heat becomes extremely expensive. They demand subsidies and rebates from the government, in order to keep costs down. This is a sign that prices are too high for the consumer.
Both coal and natural gas are also heavily used in manufacturing. Their prices vary greatly from location to location and from time to time. If coal or natural gas prices rise in a particular location, the cost of manufactured goods from that location will also tend to rise. These higher prices will particularly hurt a manufacturing country, such as Germany, because its manufactured goods will become less competitive in the world marketplace. GDP growth will be reduced, and the profitably of manufacturers will tend to fall.
Because of these issues, long-distance trade in both coal and natural gas tend to hit barriers that may be difficult to see simply by looking at the trend in world production.
[3] Natural gas exports may already be becoming constrained, even though the total amount extracted still seems to be rising.
A huge amount of investment is needed to make long-distance sale of natural gas possible. Such investment includes:
The cost of developing a natural gas field for export use, usually over many years.
Pipelines covering every inch traveled by the natural gas, other than any portion of the trip for which transfer as liquefied natural gas (LNG) is planned.
Special ships to transport the LNG.
Facilities to chill natural gas, so it can be shipped overseas as LNG.
Regasification plants, to make the natural gas ready to ship by pipeline after it has been transferred as LNG.
Storage facilities, so that sufficient natural gas is available for winter.
Not all of these investments are made by the same organizations. They all need to provide an adequate return. Even if “only” very long-distance pipelines are used, the cost can be high.
Pipelines work best when there is no conflict among countries. They can be blown up by another country that seeks to raise natural gas prices, or that wants to retaliate for some perceived misdeed. For this reason, most growth in natural gas exports/imports in recent years has been as LNG.
I believe that there is a significant chance that natural gas exports are now reaching a situation where prices cannot please all users simultaneously. Not all investors can get an adequate return on the huge investments that they have made in advance. Some investments that should have been made will be omitted. For example, there might be enough natural gas storage for a warm winter, but not for a very cold winter in Europe.
A prime characteristic of a fossil fuel (or any resource) that is not economic to extract is that the industry has difficulty paying its workers an adequate wage. Recently, there has been news about a union strike against Chevron at an Australian natural gas extraction site used to provide gas for liquefied natural gas (LNG) export. This suggests that natural gas may already be hitting long-distance export limits. Prices can’t stay high enough for producers to pay their workers an adequate wage.
Oil imports by area suggest that the rapidly growing manufacturing parts of the world are squeezing out the imports desired by high-wage, service-oriented countries.
Because oil is so important in international trade, I looked at the amounts two ways. The first is based on trade flows, as reported by the Energy Institute:
Imports for China, India, and Other Asia Pacific are clearly much higher in recent years, while imports for the US, Japan, and Europe are down. The peak year for imports (in total) was about 2016 or 2017. Imports were about 3.5 million barrels a day lower in 2022, compared to peak, with both approaches.
Oil imports by area indicate that nearly all oil exporters around the globe are having difficulty maintaining export levels.
US oil exports are shown to be nearly zero, even in recent years, because US imports and US oil exports more or less cancel out.
Apart from Canada, the amount of oil exported for all the other export groupings shown is lower in recent years than it was a few years ago. This is also evident in Figure 7, but not as clearly.
To some extent, the lower production in recent years is related to running short of oil that can be extracted without considerably more investment.
“Mexico+South” refers to all the oil being produced from Mexico southward. this includes Brazil, Venezuela, Argentina, Columbia, Ecuador, and a number of other small producers. Most of them are experiencing falling production.
Africa’s peak year for oil exports seems to have been in 2007 (both approaches), with recent exports at a much lower level.
The star performer seems to be Canada, with its rising production and exports from the Canadian Oil Sands.
In this analysis, I have “netted out” imports and exports. On this basis, the US hasn’t moved into significant oil exporter status yet.
Coal exports appear to have peaked about 2016. Europe has reduced its imports of coal, leaving more for other importers.
The peak in coal imports seems to have occurred about 2016. In particular, Europe’s imports of coal have fallen significantly since 2006.
Figure 10. Coal exports by area based on trade flow data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.
One thing that is striking about coal exports is that they are disproportionately from countries in the Far East.
Today’s largest source of coal exports is Indonesia.
A major share of the delivered price of coal is transportation cost, which tends to be fueled by oil, particularly diesel. Overland transit is particularly expensive. The real reason for Europe’s decline in coal imports since 2006 (shown in Figure 9) may be that there are practically no affordable coal exports available to it because it is too geographically remote from major exporters.
Natural gas imports and exports have only recently started to become constrained.
The overall level of natural gas exports has been rising because of contributions from several parts of the world. Africa was an early producer of natural gas exports, but its exports have been dropping off somewhat recently as local gas consumption rises.
More importantly, exports have increased in recent years from the Middle East, Australia, and North America. With this growing supply of exports, it has been possible for importers to increase their imports.
[8] What lies ahead?
The countries that have the greatest advantage in using fossil fuel imports are the countries that don’t heat or cool their homes, and that don’t have large numbers of private citizens with private passenger automobiles.
Europe stands out to be an early loser of imports. It is already losing oil and coal imports, and it also seems to be an early loser of natural gas imports.

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 15:14 utc | 331

This is not exactly on topic…. But in many ways, it is…..
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/A-World-Running-On-Empty-The-Decline-Of-Fossil-Fuel-Supply.html
By Gail Tverberg – Sep 01, 2023, 6:00 PM CDT
Analysis of 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy data shows constrained global supplies of fossil fuels like oil, coal, and natural gas, particularly in interregional trading.
Constraints in supply are affecting energy prices, making them highly variable and less affordable for consumers, thereby affecting the global economy, including industries like manufacturing.
The cost-intensive infrastructure needed for long-distance natural gas exports is becoming increasingly unsustainable, posing risks to both investors and consumers.
Oil Barrels
For many years, there has been a theory that imports of oil would become a problem before there was an overall shortage of fossil fuels. In fact, when I look at the data, it seems to be clear that oil imports are already constrained.
Figure 1. Interregional trade of fossil fuels based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.
As I look at the data, it appears to me that coal and natural gas imports are becoming constrained, as well. There was evidence of this constrained supply in the spiking prices for these fuels in Europe in late 2021 and early 2022, starting well before the Ukraine conflict began.
Oil, coal, and natural gas are different enough from each other that we should expect somewhat different patterns. Oil is inexpensive to transport. It is especially important for the production of food and for transportation. Prices tend to be worldwide prices.
Coal and natural gas are both more expensive to transport than oil. They tend to be used in industry, in the heating and cooling of buildings, and in electricity production. Their prices tend to be local prices, rather than the worldwide price we expect for oil. Prices for importers of these fuels can jump very high if there are shortages.
In this post, I first look at the trends in the overall supply of these fuels, since a big part of the import problem is fossil fuel supply not growing quickly enough to keep pace with world population growth. I also give more background how the three fossil fuels differ.
After this introductory material, I provide charts and some analysis of fossil fuel imports and exports by region, based on data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy. Theoretically, the total of regional imports should be very close to the total of regional exports. This analysis gives a little more insight into what is going wrong and where.
[1] On a worldwide basis, total supplies of both oil and coal seem to be constrained.
Figure 2. World consumption of oil, coal, and natural gas based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.
Figure 2 shows that world supplies of all three fossil fuels follow the same general pattern: They tend to rise in close to parallel lines, with oil supply on top, coal next, and natural gas providing the least supply.
The total supply of fossil fuels needs to be shared by the world’s population. It therefore makes sense to look at supply on a per capita basis.
Figure 3. World per capita consumption of oil, coal, and natural gas, based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.
On Figure 3, the top line, oil supply per capita, is almost perfectly level, suggesting that having a greater supply of oil enables having a larger world population. This relationship makes sense because oil is used to a significant extent in growing today’s food, and shipping it to market. Oil products also make herbicides, insecticides, and drugs for animals that enable the growing supply of food needed to feed today’s population. Oil products are also helpful in road making, and in providing lubrication for machinery of all kinds.
We might conclude that oil supply is essential to the growth of human population. It is only by way of a huge change in the economy, such as the one that took place in 2020, that there is a big dip in oil usage. Even now, some of the changes are “sticking.” Some people are continuing to work from home. Business travel is still low. People are still not buying fancy clothing as much as before 2020. All these things help reduce fossil fuel usage, particularly oil usage.
Figure 3 also shows that on a per capita basis, coal supply has fallen by 9% since its peak in 2011. This fact, plus the fact that coal prices have been spiking around the world in recent years, leads me to believe that coal supply is already constrained, even apart from the export issue.
[2] The share of oil traded interregionally is more than double the share of coal or natural gas traded interregionally.
The reason why oil is disproportionately high in Figure 1 compared to Figure 2 is because a little over 40% of oil is shipped between regions. In comparison, only about 18% of coal production is traded with other regions, and about 17% of natural gas production is shipped interregionally. Oil is much easier (and cheaper) to transport between regions than either coal or natural gas. Shipping costs tend to escalate rapidly, the farther either natural gas or coal is shipped.
Natural gas has a second problem over and above the high cost of shipping: It requires storage (which may be high cost) if it is not used immediately. Storage is needed for both natural gas and coal because both fuels are often used for heat in winter, either by direct burning or by creating electricity that can be used to heat buildings. Storage for coal is close to free because it can be stored in piles outside.
Besides heat in winter, coal is also used to provide electricity for air conditioning in summer, so its demand curve has peaks in both summer and winter. Natural gas is much more of a winter-heat fuel in the US, so it has a large peak corresponding to winter usage (Figure 4).
Storage for natural gas needs to be available in every area where users expect to use it for winter heat. The cost of this storage will be low if there are depleted natural gas caverns that can be used for storage. It is likely to be high if above ground storage is required. Natural gas importing areas often do not have suitable caverns for storage. The easy approach is to try to get by with a bare minimum of storage, and hope that imports can somehow make up the difference.
The big question for any fuel is, “Can consumers afford to pay a high enough price to cover all the costs involved in getting the fuel from endpoint to endpoint, at the time it is needed?“
Citizens become very unhappy if the cost of winter heat becomes extremely expensive. They demand subsidies and rebates from the government, in order to keep costs down. This is a sign that prices are too high for the consumer.
Both coal and natural gas are also heavily used in manufacturing. Their prices vary greatly from location to location and from time to time. If coal or natural gas prices rise in a particular location, the cost of manufactured goods from that location will also tend to rise. These higher prices will particularly hurt a manufacturing country, such as Germany, because its manufactured goods will become less competitive in the world marketplace. GDP growth will be reduced, and the profitably of manufacturers will tend to fall.
Because of these issues, long-distance trade in both coal and natural gas tend to hit barriers that may be difficult to see simply by looking at the trend in world production.
[3] Natural gas exports may already be becoming constrained, even though the total amount extracted still seems to be rising.
A huge amount of investment is needed to make long-distance sale of natural gas possible. Such investment includes:
The cost of developing a natural gas field for export use, usually over many years.
Pipelines covering every inch traveled by the natural gas, other than any portion of the trip for which transfer as liquefied natural gas (LNG) is planned.
Special ships to transport the LNG.
Facilities to chill natural gas, so it can be shipped overseas as LNG.
Regasification plants, to make the natural gas ready to ship by pipeline after it has been transferred as LNG.
Storage facilities, so that sufficient natural gas is available for winter.
Not all of these investments are made by the same organizations. They all need to provide an adequate return. Even if “only” very long-distance pipelines are used, the cost can be high.
Pipelines work best when there is no conflict among countries. They can be blown up by another country that seeks to raise natural gas prices, or that wants to retaliate for some perceived misdeed. For this reason, most growth in natural gas exports/imports in recent years has been as LNG.
I believe that there is a significant chance that natural gas exports are now reaching a situation where prices cannot please all users simultaneously. Not all investors can get an adequate return on the huge investments that they have made in advance. Some investments that should have been made will be omitted. For example, there might be enough natural gas storage for a warm winter, but not for a very cold winter in Europe.
A prime characteristic of a fossil fuel (or any resource) that is not economic to extract is that the industry has difficulty paying its workers an adequate wage. Recently, there has been news about a union strike against Chevron at an Australian natural gas extraction site used to provide gas for liquefied natural gas (LNG) export. This suggests that natural gas may already be hitting long-distance export limits. Prices can’t stay high enough for producers to pay their workers an adequate wage.
Oil imports by area suggest that the rapidly growing manufacturing parts of the world are squeezing out the imports desired by high-wage, service-oriented countries.
Because oil is so important in international trade, I looked at the amounts two ways. The first is based on trade flows, as reported by the Energy Institute:
Imports for China, India, and Other Asia Pacific are clearly much higher in recent years, while imports for the US, Japan, and Europe are down. The peak year for imports (in total) was about 2016 or 2017. Imports were about 3.5 million barrels a day lower in 2022, compared to peak, with both approaches.
Oil imports by area indicate that nearly all oil exporters around the globe are having difficulty maintaining export levels.
US oil exports are shown to be nearly zero, even in recent years, because US imports and US oil exports more or less cancel out.
Apart from Canada, the amount of oil exported for all the other export groupings shown is lower in recent years than it was a few years ago. This is also evident in Figure 7, but not as clearly.
To some extent, the lower production in recent years is related to running short of oil that can be extracted without considerably more investment.
“Mexico+South” refers to all the oil being produced from Mexico southward. this includes Brazil, Venezuela, Argentina, Columbia, Ecuador, and a number of other small producers. Most of them are experiencing falling production.
Africa’s peak year for oil exports seems to have been in 2007 (both approaches), with recent exports at a much lower level.
The star performer seems to be Canada, with its rising production and exports from the Canadian Oil Sands.
In this analysis, I have “netted out” imports and exports. On this basis, the US hasn’t moved into significant oil exporter status yet.
Coal exports appear to have peaked about 2016. Europe has reduced its imports of coal, leaving more for other importers.
The peak in coal imports seems to have occurred about 2016. In particular, Europe’s imports of coal have fallen significantly since 2006.
Figure 10. Coal exports by area based on trade flow data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.
One thing that is striking about coal exports is that they are disproportionately from countries in the Far East.
Today’s largest source of coal exports is Indonesia.
A major share of the delivered price of coal is transportation cost, which tends to be fueled by oil, particularly diesel. Overland transit is particularly expensive. The real reason for Europe’s decline in coal imports since 2006 (shown in Figure 9) may be that there are practically no affordable coal exports available to it because it is too geographically remote from major exporters.
Natural gas imports and exports have only recently started to become constrained.
The overall level of natural gas exports has been rising because of contributions from several parts of the world. Africa was an early producer of natural gas exports, but its exports have been dropping off somewhat recently as local gas consumption rises.
More importantly, exports have increased in recent years from the Middle East, Australia, and North America. With this growing supply of exports, it has been possible for importers to increase their imports.
[8] What lies ahead?
The countries that have the greatest advantage in using fossil fuel imports are the countries that don’t heat or cool their homes, and that don’t have large numbers of private citizens with private passenger automobiles.
Europe stands out to be an early loser of imports. It is already losing oil and coal imports, and it also seems to be an early loser of natural gas imports.

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 15:14 utc | 332

Posted by: GMC | Sep 2 2023 7:33 utc | 126
Who gave the OK to let in all those foreign products packed on Walmart, Cosco and other shelves? The D o Commerce. The Dept. of Commerce is just another back stabbing Agency in the Fake USG, that was out to destroy America’s Industries – Fact.
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Exactly. Which is why I find all this talk about ‘America’ and ‘China’ or the ‘US Empire’ a bit questionable, since the terminology implies a degree of separation and autonomy – aka sovereignty – that most likely is not the case. On the lower local levels there are clear differences – where grunts shoot each other and die in the trenches speaking different languages to different officers, or on factory floors or neighbourhood supermarkets – but on higher leadership levels they have more in common with each other, as fellow peers, than with the peasants and workers far beneath them though geographically closer.
On those higher levels, most likely there isn’t nearly as much conflict between ‘China’, ‘Russia’ and ‘America’ as portrayed; certainly they are far more interdependent and operationally intertangled. What may be true-ish about the apparently conflict-driven tectonics is a need to disentangle prior to reconfiguring global systemics, a short-term process involving different processes for different polity types – hence the ongoing, and most likely temporary, bifurcation.
Like oldhippie says, no judge willingly lets his courtroom become a circus; ergo the judge is not running the show; ergo, it’s a production (or what I playfully call a ‘Reality TV Republic Series; Episode Title: The Trial of a Lifetime’). Ratings will go through the roof, and in a Reality TV Republic – which is what the post-constitutional US truly is – ratings rule!

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 15:17 utc | 333

Posted by: GMC | Sep 2 2023 7:33 utc | 126
Who gave the OK to let in all those foreign products packed on Walmart, Cosco and other shelves? The D o Commerce. The Dept. of Commerce is just another back stabbing Agency in the Fake USG, that was out to destroy America’s Industries – Fact.
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Exactly. Which is why I find all this talk about ‘America’ and ‘China’ or the ‘US Empire’ a bit questionable, since the terminology implies a degree of separation and autonomy – aka sovereignty – that most likely is not the case. On the lower local levels there are clear differences – where grunts shoot each other and die in the trenches speaking different languages to different officers, or on factory floors or neighbourhood supermarkets – but on higher leadership levels they have more in common with each other, as fellow peers, than with the peasants and workers far beneath them though geographically closer.
On those higher levels, most likely there isn’t nearly as much conflict between ‘China’, ‘Russia’ and ‘America’ as portrayed; certainly they are far more interdependent and operationally intertangled. What may be true-ish about the apparently conflict-driven tectonics is a need to disentangle prior to reconfiguring global systemics, a short-term process involving different processes for different polity types – hence the ongoing, and most likely temporary, bifurcation.
Like oldhippie says, no judge willingly lets his courtroom become a circus; ergo the judge is not running the show; ergo, it’s a production (or what I playfully call a ‘Reality TV Republic Series; Episode Title: The Trial of a Lifetime’). Ratings will go through the roof, and in a Reality TV Republic – which is what the post-constitutional US truly is – ratings rule!

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 15:17 utc | 334

Gruff @ 55
No judge relinquishes control of his courtroom to television producers. Televised trials are all fake, all spectacles having nothing to do with ordinary judicial process.
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 2 2023 12:12 utc | 145
Well, they are fake in the sense that they are all rigged and essentially unfair. However, the sentence at the end is very real and backed by real organized violence so…

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 2 2023 15:31 utc | 335

Gruff @ 55
No judge relinquishes control of his courtroom to television producers. Televised trials are all fake, all spectacles having nothing to do with ordinary judicial process.
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 2 2023 12:12 utc | 145
Well, they are fake in the sense that they are all rigged and essentially unfair. However, the sentence at the end is very real and backed by real organized violence so…

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 2 2023 15:31 utc | 336

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 2 2023 15:31 utc | 169
Well, they are fake in the sense that they are all rigged and essentially unfair. However, the sentence at the end is very real and backed by real organized violence so…
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none of these ridiculous non-criminal criminal cases will make it through appeal. I believe their main purpose is to snag more than one guilty verdict (one wouldn’t be convincing) at which point the GOP will remove Trump as a candidate for their party.
(Which will also be good for ratings!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 15:56 utc | 337

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 2 2023 15:31 utc | 169
Well, they are fake in the sense that they are all rigged and essentially unfair. However, the sentence at the end is very real and backed by real organized violence so…
============================
none of these ridiculous non-criminal criminal cases will make it through appeal. I believe their main purpose is to snag more than one guilty verdict (one wouldn’t be convincing) at which point the GOP will remove Trump as a candidate for their party.
(Which will also be good for ratings!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 15:56 utc | 338

re oil, coal etc.: In the 2022 XIV BRICS Summit Beijing Declaration, Article 59 states:

53. We commemorate the 30th anniversary of the United Nations Framework  Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) and call on all parties to adhere  to the principle of common but differentiated responsibilities and respective capabilities… We recall relevant provisions of the Paris Agreement, emphasizing that the Paris Agreement aims to strengthen global response to the threat of climate change in the context of sustainable development and efforts to eradicate poverty, and that peaking of Green House Gas (GHG) emissions will take longer for developing countries. We underline that the developed countries have historical responsibilities for global climate change, and should take the lead in scaling up mitigation actions and scale up indispensable support to developing countries on finance, technology and capacity-building.

This is reiterated in different verbiage in the more recent 2023 Declaration, a critique of which can be found here .
I read recently that China will be building something like 300 coal stations in the next few decades (along with many nuclear). We in the West, via UN agreements such as mentioned in the above BRICS Declarations have agreed to such one-sided (developed nations only) reductions in greenhouse gas emissions to lessen anthropogenic climate change, thereby guaranteeing both the ongoing decline of the West and the ongoing rise of the East.
I don’t understand why such agreements are being made, but it is hard to deny their existence – unless you believe that we can save the climate by eliminating coal and gasoline in the West whilst the far more populous East keeps using them like gangbusters. (Science, anyone?!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 15:59 utc | 339

re oil, coal etc.: In the 2022 XIV BRICS Summit Beijing Declaration, Article 59 states:

53. We commemorate the 30th anniversary of the United Nations Framework  Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) and call on all parties to adhere  to the principle of common but differentiated responsibilities and respective capabilities… We recall relevant provisions of the Paris Agreement, emphasizing that the Paris Agreement aims to strengthen global response to the threat of climate change in the context of sustainable development and efforts to eradicate poverty, and that peaking of Green House Gas (GHG) emissions will take longer for developing countries. We underline that the developed countries have historical responsibilities for global climate change, and should take the lead in scaling up mitigation actions and scale up indispensable support to developing countries on finance, technology and capacity-building.

This is reiterated in different verbiage in the more recent 2023 Declaration, a critique of which can be found here .
I read recently that China will be building something like 300 coal stations in the next few decades (along with many nuclear). We in the West, via UN agreements such as mentioned in the above BRICS Declarations have agreed to such one-sided (developed nations only) reductions in greenhouse gas emissions to lessen anthropogenic climate change, thereby guaranteeing both the ongoing decline of the West and the ongoing rise of the East.
I don’t understand why such agreements are being made, but it is hard to deny their existence – unless you believe that we can save the climate by eliminating coal and gasoline in the West whilst the far more populous East keeps using them like gangbusters. (Science, anyone?!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 15:59 utc | 340

re oil, coal etc.: In the 2022 XIV BRICS Summit Beijing Declaration, Article 59 states:

53. We commemorate the 30th anniversary of the United Nations Framework  Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) and call on all parties to adhere  to the principle of common but differentiated responsibilities and respective capabilities… We recall relevant provisions of the Paris Agreement, emphasizing that the Paris Agreement aims to strengthen global response to the threat of climate change in the context of sustainable development and efforts to eradicate poverty, and that peaking of Green House Gas (GHG) emissions will take longer for developing countries. We underline that the developed countries have historical responsibilities for global climate change, and should take the lead in scaling up mitigation actions and scale up indispensable support to developing countries on finance, technology and capacity-building.

(I tried posting in links also to the 2023 Declaration but the post won’t go through. They can be found
here.)
I read recently that China will be building something like 300 coal stations in the next few decades (along with many nuclear). We in the West, via UN agreements such as mentioned in the above BRICS Declarations have agreed to such one-sided (developed nations only) reductions in greenhouse gas emissions to lessen anthropogenic climate change, thereby guaranteeing both the ongoing decline of the West and the ongoing rise of the East.
I don’t understand why such agreements are being made, but it is hard to deny their existence – unless you believe that we can save the climate by eliminating coal and gasoline in the West whilst the far more populous East keeps using them like gangbusters. (Science, anyone?!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 16:03 utc | 341

re oil, coal etc.: In the 2022 XIV BRICS Summit Beijing Declaration, Article 59 states:

53. We commemorate the 30th anniversary of the United Nations Framework  Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) and call on all parties to adhere  to the principle of common but differentiated responsibilities and respective capabilities… We recall relevant provisions of the Paris Agreement, emphasizing that the Paris Agreement aims to strengthen global response to the threat of climate change in the context of sustainable development and efforts to eradicate poverty, and that peaking of Green House Gas (GHG) emissions will take longer for developing countries. We underline that the developed countries have historical responsibilities for global climate change, and should take the lead in scaling up mitigation actions and scale up indispensable support to developing countries on finance, technology and capacity-building.

(I tried posting in links also to the 2023 Declaration but the post won’t go through. They can be found
here.)
I read recently that China will be building something like 300 coal stations in the next few decades (along with many nuclear). We in the West, via UN agreements such as mentioned in the above BRICS Declarations have agreed to such one-sided (developed nations only) reductions in greenhouse gas emissions to lessen anthropogenic climate change, thereby guaranteeing both the ongoing decline of the West and the ongoing rise of the East.
I don’t understand why such agreements are being made, but it is hard to deny their existence – unless you believe that we can save the climate by eliminating coal and gasoline in the West whilst the far more populous East keeps using them like gangbusters. (Science, anyone?!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 16:03 utc | 342

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 15:14 utc | 167
To which last post was a response.
Sorry, got lost in the editing after problems with link.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 16:05 utc | 343

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 15:14 utc | 167
To which last post was a response.
Sorry, got lost in the editing after problems with link.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 16:05 utc | 344

Last Sunday the Integrity Initiative, Ministry of Information for my country New Zealand, (responsible for lockstep truth about COVID, Russia, the Ukraine etc) broadcast these two programmes
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2018904342/chris-patten-the-last-british-governor-of-hong-kong
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/smart_talk/audio/2018895937/louisa-lim-on-hong-kong
and this Sunday we have –
11:10 John F. Bradford: Tensions in the South China Sea
New Zealand, a United States ally and China trade partner, is walking a tight rope as tensions between the economic superpowers ratchet up. A tightrope, that according to retired US Navy Commander John F. Bradford, could snap at any moment: “It’s business as usual, until it isn’t.” Bradford, co-author of America, Sea Power, and the World, claims that should China’s threats tip into conflict, the United States would be left with little choice but to respond with military force – lest it be seen as a weak actor by its allies. He says the future over the right to occupy territory in the South China Sea and Taiwan is problematic and unpredictable and maintains that a strong defence is the best deterrence to war.
And during the week I’m sure I’ll be able to hear another hellavacost story or two relayed from the BBC.
All truly fucking pathetic.

Posted by: Ново З | Sep 2 2023 16:06 utc | 345

Last Sunday the Integrity Initiative, Ministry of Information for my country New Zealand, (responsible for lockstep truth about COVID, Russia, the Ukraine etc) broadcast these two programmes
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2018904342/chris-patten-the-last-british-governor-of-hong-kong
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/smart_talk/audio/2018895937/louisa-lim-on-hong-kong
and this Sunday we have –
11:10 John F. Bradford: Tensions in the South China Sea
New Zealand, a United States ally and China trade partner, is walking a tight rope as tensions between the economic superpowers ratchet up. A tightrope, that according to retired US Navy Commander John F. Bradford, could snap at any moment: “It’s business as usual, until it isn’t.” Bradford, co-author of America, Sea Power, and the World, claims that should China’s threats tip into conflict, the United States would be left with little choice but to respond with military force – lest it be seen as a weak actor by its allies. He says the future over the right to occupy territory in the South China Sea and Taiwan is problematic and unpredictable and maintains that a strong defence is the best deterrence to war.
And during the week I’m sure I’ll be able to hear another hellavacost story or two relayed from the BBC.
All truly fucking pathetic.

Posted by: Ново З | Sep 2 2023 16:06 utc | 346

@Cyril | Sep 2 2023 5:05 utc | 113

Whether polls will show that could depend on how the question was worded.

This seems applicable back to your own comment too. I don’t trust much of polling in Taiwan, especially by those who are DPP-leaning. Polls are easy to (mis)-lead or manipulate, especially in Taiwan. If you want to cite a polling result, please also provide detailed info like when, what, and who (does the polling) to be more credible.
In addition, do you really think the current status quo is the SAME as in 1990 or even 2016 at the start of Tsai’s regime? If you think it is the same, there seems no need to continue the conversation because you don’t honestly evaluate what it was then and is now. Just use the “status quo” without a proper context in Taiwan situation is misleading.
A few points:
1. Do you hear DPP politicians use the term Republic of China when they talk about Taiwan as a country? No, they always use Taiwan or “ROC in Taiwan”. DPP will only use ROC when “necessary” or the situation is inconvenient and always with “Taiwan”.
2. Since Lee’s regime, Taiwan government started to remove Chinese elements from its education system as I always point out. The following regimes continued and enhanced that approach even during Ma’s regime that was the most “China-friendly” since 1990. So it is likely that implementation is “consensus” among Taiwan politicians since 2000.
3. Both Lee (KMT under and after him) and DPP keep slicing the salami toward independence since Lee’s 2nd term of presidency with amerikkkan’s consent/encourage. Ma’s regime slowed down the slicing so the relation across the Strait was basically peaceful during Ma’s presidency. Since Tsai’s regime, it started to go much further toward independence. Just look at who are in Tsai’s regimes and what they actually do, not what they say. When Tsai was the minister of Mainland Affairs Council under Lee’s regime, she devised a “theory” of two countries (One China and One Taiwan) under Lee’s direction. When that theory was revealed, PRC reacted fierecely. From that, you can see what Tsai is for from 20+ years ago.
4. Look at the people in Tsai regime, can you honestly find anyone that is really rooted for at least keeping the “status quo” as it was 20 years ago?
5. DPP is in essence coward and hypocrite. They use Taiwan independence for political gains but dare not to actually implement or fight for it. A great number of Tsai’s family members are amerikkans and live in the us. Both of Lai’s two sons are in the us too. One of them recently went back to Taiwan under pressure because Lai is seeking the presidency. The other one is still in the us. Chen’s son was in the us too before his first presidential campaign and also went back under pressure because KMT was saying Chen was going to be the grandpa of an amerikkkan (should Chen’s son stay in the us). DPP often accuse its opponents not devoting to Taiwan so they can’t afford that before elections. After elections, it gets back to business as usual. No one in DPP officials’ families serve in Taiwan military, not even on the front line. DPP is actually hostile to the service men and women in Taiwan military because they traditionally support KMT. It is probably not like anymore but the damage has been done. DPP just pays lip service for “defending Taiwan” and let those draftees to die (in vain).

The DPP can spew its usual propaganda, but an 85 percent supermajority against them is tough to lie about.

DPP does not care if they lie or not. Or I can say they lie for a living and people in Taiwan don’t care whether they lie or not, which is VERY SAD. Look at the issue surrounding Tsai’s PhD degree/thesis at London School in UK. If you believe Tsai actually got her PhD, I’d have nothing to say. DPP just brainwashes its supporters as amerikkka does to amerikkkans. To some extent, DPP does it better than amerikkka on this. Before, DPP only did that to its supporters. Now, it does to ALL in Taiwan through all media/press it controls day-in-day-out. Look at the press in Taiwan. Any press/media outlet that does not follow DPP’s line will get harrassed or even banned (by not renewing the broadcast license illegally). People in Taiwan get brainwashed to the extent that they do not think things by the merits or facts but just by political association or tribulism. Even people with a PhD degree behave the same. They are knowledgable and experts in their PhD fields but has no logic/reasoning in political/social affairs. The worse part is that one cannot do rational discussion with these people by logics and facts.
IMHO, Taiwan is actually a good case study for how the western-style “democracy” works and results in at the end.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Sep 2 2023 16:09 utc | 347

@Cyril | Sep 2 2023 5:05 utc | 113

Whether polls will show that could depend on how the question was worded.

This seems applicable back to your own comment too. I don’t trust much of polling in Taiwan, especially by those who are DPP-leaning. Polls are easy to (mis)-lead or manipulate, especially in Taiwan. If you want to cite a polling result, please also provide detailed info like when, what, and who (does the polling) to be more credible.
In addition, do you really think the current status quo is the SAME as in 1990 or even 2016 at the start of Tsai’s regime? If you think it is the same, there seems no need to continue the conversation because you don’t honestly evaluate what it was then and is now. Just use the “status quo” without a proper context in Taiwan situation is misleading.
A few points:
1. Do you hear DPP politicians use the term Republic of China when they talk about Taiwan as a country? No, they always use Taiwan or “ROC in Taiwan”. DPP will only use ROC when “necessary” or the situation is inconvenient and always with “Taiwan”.
2. Since Lee’s regime, Taiwan government started to remove Chinese elements from its education system as I always point out. The following regimes continued and enhanced that approach even during Ma’s regime that was the most “China-friendly” since 1990. So it is likely that implementation is “consensus” among Taiwan politicians since 2000.
3. Both Lee (KMT under and after him) and DPP keep slicing the salami toward independence since Lee’s 2nd term of presidency with amerikkkan’s consent/encourage. Ma’s regime slowed down the slicing so the relation across the Strait was basically peaceful during Ma’s presidency. Since Tsai’s regime, it started to go much further toward independence. Just look at who are in Tsai’s regimes and what they actually do, not what they say. When Tsai was the minister of Mainland Affairs Council under Lee’s regime, she devised a “theory” of two countries (One China and One Taiwan) under Lee’s direction. When that theory was revealed, PRC reacted fierecely. From that, you can see what Tsai is for from 20+ years ago.
4. Look at the people in Tsai regime, can you honestly find anyone that is really rooted for at least keeping the “status quo” as it was 20 years ago?
5. DPP is in essence coward and hypocrite. They use Taiwan independence for political gains but dare not to actually implement or fight for it. A great number of Tsai’s family members are amerikkans and live in the us. Both of Lai’s two sons are in the us too. One of them recently went back to Taiwan under pressure because Lai is seeking the presidency. The other one is still in the us. Chen’s son was in the us too before his first presidential campaign and also went back under pressure because KMT was saying Chen was going to be the grandpa of an amerikkkan (should Chen’s son stay in the us). DPP often accuse its opponents not devoting to Taiwan so they can’t afford that before elections. After elections, it gets back to business as usual. No one in DPP officials’ families serve in Taiwan military, not even on the front line. DPP is actually hostile to the service men and women in Taiwan military because they traditionally support KMT. It is probably not like anymore but the damage has been done. DPP just pays lip service for “defending Taiwan” and let those draftees to die (in vain).

The DPP can spew its usual propaganda, but an 85 percent supermajority against them is tough to lie about.

DPP does not care if they lie or not. Or I can say they lie for a living and people in Taiwan don’t care whether they lie or not, which is VERY SAD. Look at the issue surrounding Tsai’s PhD degree/thesis at London School in UK. If you believe Tsai actually got her PhD, I’d have nothing to say. DPP just brainwashes its supporters as amerikkka does to amerikkkans. To some extent, DPP does it better than amerikkka on this. Before, DPP only did that to its supporters. Now, it does to ALL in Taiwan through all media/press it controls day-in-day-out. Look at the press in Taiwan. Any press/media outlet that does not follow DPP’s line will get harrassed or even banned (by not renewing the broadcast license illegally). People in Taiwan get brainwashed to the extent that they do not think things by the merits or facts but just by political association or tribulism. Even people with a PhD degree behave the same. They are knowledgable and experts in their PhD fields but has no logic/reasoning in political/social affairs. The worse part is that one cannot do rational discussion with these people by logics and facts.
IMHO, Taiwan is actually a good case study for how the western-style “democracy” works and results in at the end.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Sep 2 2023 16:09 utc | 348

re oil, coal etc.: In the 2022 XIV BRICS Summit Beijing Declaration, Article 59 states:
should read:
re oil, coal etc.: In the 2022 XIV BRICS Summit Beijing Declaration, Article 53 states.
(Article 59 is in the 2023 document which I didn’t cite in the post.)

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 16:11 utc | 349

re oil, coal etc.: In the 2022 XIV BRICS Summit Beijing Declaration, Article 59 states:
should read:
re oil, coal etc.: In the 2022 XIV BRICS Summit Beijing Declaration, Article 53 states.
(Article 59 is in the 2023 document which I didn’t cite in the post.)

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 16:11 utc | 350

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 15:14 utc | 167
oilprice.com is a garbage site for oildrum.com orphans who never met an OPEC producer they didn’t despise. At any given hour on any given day, editorial management is publishing a half dozen stories, scraped from tankie “analysts” and westworld commodity speculators that forecast contradictory NG, LNG, and crude S/D data, push-polled by IEA—which has insisted for the past 20 years that USA is the WORLD’S LARGEST NET EXPORTER and, AND, leader in “green” technology. After the 2016 shale wildcat route and OPEC 2M bbl production cuts since 2021 PANDEMIC demand destruction, these bozos have given up trying to explain how oil producers profit from exporting less product…to westworld “oil majors”. Never mind rationalizing wild IEA estimations of AUTOCRATIC OPEC+ fiscal “break-even” points and portfolio diversification to all points east since Aramco’s IPO—of which, incidentally, CHINA! is rumored to hold $5B share—and completion of the RU Sakahlin-PipeChina build-out.
This IMAGE epitomizes a “moment” in oilprice.com “premium” content since SA booted certain westworld bidness reporters from OPEC ministerial meetings.

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 2 2023 16:11 utc | 351

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 2 2023 15:14 utc | 167
oilprice.com is a garbage site for oildrum.com orphans who never met an OPEC producer they didn’t despise. At any given hour on any given day, editorial management is publishing a half dozen stories, scraped from tankie “analysts” and westworld commodity speculators that forecast contradictory NG, LNG, and crude S/D data, push-polled by IEA—which has insisted for the past 20 years that USA is the WORLD’S LARGEST NET EXPORTER and, AND, leader in “green” technology. After the 2016 shale wildcat route and OPEC 2M bbl production cuts since 2021 PANDEMIC demand destruction, these bozos have given up trying to explain how oil producers profit from exporting less product…to westworld “oil majors”. Never mind rationalizing wild IEA estimations of AUTOCRATIC OPEC+ fiscal “break-even” points and portfolio diversification to all points east since Aramco’s IPO—of which, incidentally, CHINA! is rumored to hold $5B share—and completion of the RU Sakahlin-PipeChina build-out.
This IMAGE epitomizes a “moment” in oilprice.com “premium” content since SA booted certain westworld bidness reporters from OPEC ministerial meetings.

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 2 2023 16:11 utc | 352

@ Bill Miner 20
The war of attrition favours Russia, however the longer it takes for Russia to quell the Ukrainian/NATO aggression the more difficult it will be have a true victory. The light hand of Russia in the SMO mindset is a state of denial by the leadership to the fact this is a war. I’m dissatisfied with Russia for not taking Kiev yet.
This is mere trolling. 100% BS Concern Trolling. People at the bar see Russia’s slow-walk of the SMO as intended to reduce NATO getting into a panic and going for nuclear war. It’s nonsense to claim “the longer it takes for Russia … the more difficult a true victory.” Russia needs the UkroNazis to be about 2,000% defeated in every possible sense, adn the longer this goes on, the more true that it. Moar dead Nazis, moar dead Ukrainians who couldn’t make the hard moral choice for themselves, moar losses for the evil Empire, and moar losses for the Empire’s EU dogs. As for “taking Kiev”, occupying that city of 3 million, would require far more soldiers than Russia has committed to the SMO. And if that happens too soon, the residents would not be grateful. Better to let it rot.
Mr. Miner, don’t slam the door on the way out.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 2 2023 16:12 utc | 353

@ Bill Miner 20
The war of attrition favours Russia, however the longer it takes for Russia to quell the Ukrainian/NATO aggression the more difficult it will be have a true victory. The light hand of Russia in the SMO mindset is a state of denial by the leadership to the fact this is a war. I’m dissatisfied with Russia for not taking Kiev yet.
This is mere trolling. 100% BS Concern Trolling. People at the bar see Russia’s slow-walk of the SMO as intended to reduce NATO getting into a panic and going for nuclear war. It’s nonsense to claim “the longer it takes for Russia … the more difficult a true victory.” Russia needs the UkroNazis to be about 2,000% defeated in every possible sense, adn the longer this goes on, the more true that it. Moar dead Nazis, moar dead Ukrainians who couldn’t make the hard moral choice for themselves, moar losses for the evil Empire, and moar losses for the Empire’s EU dogs. As for “taking Kiev”, occupying that city of 3 million, would require far more soldiers than Russia has committed to the SMO. And if that happens too soon, the residents would not be grateful. Better to let it rot.
Mr. Miner, don’t slam the door on the way out.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 2 2023 16:12 utc | 354

@127 “If the arrogant hubristic American government could not win in Viet Nam…Syria…Afghanistan…Ukraine then how in the world will they defeat China!?”
It’s not about winning wars for the Empire it is about continual war. Wars are not the subject; its the PTB making money, gaernerig power and pillaging is the real strategy

Posted by: canuck | Sep 2 2023 16:22 utc | 355

@127 “If the arrogant hubristic American government could not win in Viet Nam…Syria…Afghanistan…Ukraine then how in the world will they defeat China!?”
It’s not about winning wars for the Empire it is about continual war. Wars are not the subject; its the PTB making money, gaernerig power and pillaging is the real strategy

Posted by: canuck | Sep 2 2023 16:22 utc | 356

I guess, it’s that time of the month again.

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 2 2023 16:33 utc | 357

I guess, it’s that time of the month again.

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 2 2023 16:33 utc | 358

It took how long for Huawei/China to create a parity chip? The superiority/dominance chip is not far behind.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 2 2023 16:39 utc | 359

It took how long for Huawei/China to create a parity chip? The superiority/dominance chip is not far behind.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 2 2023 16:39 utc | 360

That time of the year
and
This century of millennia
One day, any day now, someone up in here will venture an answer to these questions: Where did all Europe’s refugees and POWs go? And what did they take with them—besides, yanno, the proverbial clothes on their backs and in their carpet bags?

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 2 2023 16:41 utc | 361

That time of the year
and
This century of millennia
One day, any day now, someone up in here will venture an answer to these questions: Where did all Europe’s refugees and POWs go? And what did they take with them—besides, yanno, the proverbial clothes on their backs and in their carpet bags?

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 2 2023 16:41 utc | 362

Using Japan to attack China would be about as effective as arming Berkeley liberals with advanced military equipment and having them attack the rest of the US…
Posted by: Wickerman | Sep 2 2023 14:40 utc | 163

I think it’s the case for anyone who’ll try to attack China.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Sep 2 2023 16:56 utc | 363

Using Japan to attack China would be about as effective as arming Berkeley liberals with advanced military equipment and having them attack the rest of the US…
Posted by: Wickerman | Sep 2 2023 14:40 utc | 163

I think it’s the case for anyone who’ll try to attack China.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Sep 2 2023 16:56 utc | 364

❗️🇨🇳🇹🇷China will support Turkey’s BRICS candidacy if the country applies. This follows from the words of the Chinese Ambassador to Ankara, Liu Shaobin, in an interview with the Aydınlık newspaper.
“Like China, we want Türkiye to join the BRICS as well. We will develop together with developing countries. We will grow together,” the ambassador said.
❗️The alternative to the collective West is growing stronger every day.
The non-West needs to win over Turkey to its side. The US will certainly yell and resist, but Erdogan will have to make a choice.

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/77372

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 2 2023 16:59 utc | 365

❗️🇨🇳🇹🇷China will support Turkey’s BRICS candidacy if the country applies. This follows from the words of the Chinese Ambassador to Ankara, Liu Shaobin, in an interview with the Aydınlık newspaper.
“Like China, we want Türkiye to join the BRICS as well. We will develop together with developing countries. We will grow together,” the ambassador said.
❗️The alternative to the collective West is growing stronger every day.
The non-West needs to win over Turkey to its side. The US will certainly yell and resist, but Erdogan will have to make a choice.

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/77372

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 2 2023 16:59 utc | 366

China has far too many resources for us to imagine they cannot do anything that we can do. It is hubris, and very dangerous for us, to think we are unique in our abilities. This is the same thinking that led to Pearl Harbor, when we imagined the Japanese could not design or fly planes like our own.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Sep 2 2023 17:13 utc | 367

China has far too many resources for us to imagine they cannot do anything that we can do. It is hubris, and very dangerous for us, to think we are unique in our abilities. This is the same thinking that led to Pearl Harbor, when we imagined the Japanese could not design or fly planes like our own.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Sep 2 2023 17:13 utc | 368

Observations
China has lifted over 850 million people from poverty. China’s leaders are great humanitarians & philosophers, dedicated to helping the people. They are seeking win-win, cooperative international relationships.
US information warfare personnel spread Big Lies. They work very hard to push the people to hate and/or fear China, Russia, Cuba & other nations where their leaders refuse to be corrupted.
Epstein’s client list is still running the US foreign policy $h%t show.
Many older western politicians were filmed in honey traps, blackmailed/bribed/corrupted to be traitors to their constituents, and to support the insanely selfish ruling elite, who fear leaks, democracy & world peace, because those are ending their multi-hundred year reign.
It’s time for BRICS to save the world from big bad, but very old Goliath (uncle sam). It’s time us to stop pouring trillions N2 the $h!t Hole propagandists call “defense”. BRICS should become the word police & oversee trials for the western elite’s huge “Crimes Against Humanity” of their proxy war with Russia.
The “reality” of corrupt, habitual liars working for endless wars backed by Big Lies, is the same “reality” found in lunatic asylums. Reality consists of Truth. Denial is a psychological defense mechanism for those who can’t handle the truth of the matter.

“It is very dangerous that people do not recognize this state, for while it is possible to cure a patient who does not resist treatment, if he struggles against it the beneficial effects of the medicine will be diminished. But how do you explain to people that their leaders and their teachers are insane?”
KH

It’s time to Make Food, Shelter, Health Care & Education guaranteed universal rights to connect large cities with high speed rail… and to Live in peace!

Posted by: Toby C | Sep 2 2023 17:14 utc | 369

Observations
China has lifted over 850 million people from poverty. China’s leaders are great humanitarians & philosophers, dedicated to helping the people. They are seeking win-win, cooperative international relationships.
US information warfare personnel spread Big Lies. They work very hard to push the people to hate and/or fear China, Russia, Cuba & other nations where their leaders refuse to be corrupted.
Epstein’s client list is still running the US foreign policy $h%t show.
Many older western politicians were filmed in honey traps, blackmailed/bribed/corrupted to be traitors to their constituents, and to support the insanely selfish ruling elite, who fear leaks, democracy & world peace, because those are ending their multi-hundred year reign.
It’s time for BRICS to save the world from big bad, but very old Goliath (uncle sam). It’s time us to stop pouring trillions N2 the $h!t Hole propagandists call “defense”. BRICS should become the word police & oversee trials for the western elite’s huge “Crimes Against Humanity” of their proxy war with Russia.
The “reality” of corrupt, habitual liars working for endless wars backed by Big Lies, is the same “reality” found in lunatic asylums. Reality consists of Truth. Denial is a psychological defense mechanism for those who can’t handle the truth of the matter.

“It is very dangerous that people do not recognize this state, for while it is possible to cure a patient who does not resist treatment, if he struggles against it the beneficial effects of the medicine will be diminished. But how do you explain to people that their leaders and their teachers are insane?”
KH

It’s time to Make Food, Shelter, Health Care & Education guaranteed universal rights to connect large cities with high speed rail… and to Live in peace!

Posted by: Toby C | Sep 2 2023 17:14 utc | 370

Wickerman,
There is something you forget : a proxy war is not meant to be won, it’s meant to just be.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Sep 2 2023 17:28 utc | 371

Wickerman,
There is something you forget : a proxy war is not meant to be won, it’s meant to just be.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Sep 2 2023 17:28 utc | 372


China could easily make all these issues go away, but it doesn’t. Agree it seems both arrogant and foolish.”
Bingo !!!
Posted by: Antonym | Sep 2 2023 4:56 utc | 109

On the other hand, China using arrogant and foolish language encourages the Yankees to keep believing their own bullshit. And sail half-way around the world to conduct Hollywood-ish Freedumb of Navigation exhibitions near China.
China knows all it needs to know about violent racist-supremacist white Colonial Christians.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 2 2023 17:47 utc | 373


China could easily make all these issues go away, but it doesn’t. Agree it seems both arrogant and foolish.”
Bingo !!!
Posted by: Antonym | Sep 2 2023 4:56 utc | 109

On the other hand, China using arrogant and foolish language encourages the Yankees to keep believing their own bullshit. And sail half-way around the world to conduct Hollywood-ish Freedumb of Navigation exhibitions near China.
China knows all it needs to know about violent racist-supremacist white Colonial Christians.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 2 2023 17:47 utc | 374

canuck | Sep 2 2023 12:35 utc | 146
*** The problem is (same with cars) the electrics die (you can fix them but the cost is about the same as buying a new one) in 5 or 6 years and the ‘smart’ stove or dishwashers get thrown into landfill instead of working another 25 years or so.
Not to mention that if you hook into the grid with your ‘smart’ furnace the gov. can control your heating and cooling remotely..
Another consumer scam in my opinion.***
Not to mention the fact that between the “smart” appliances and “smart” phones, the corporatist Surveillance State has conned the public into (effectively) electronically tagging themselves.
With additional data from Facebook etc. and (allegedly) “safety” cameras everywhere.
Hardly any of which really makes anyone, except the ever more extortionist authorities and their masters who rule, any safer at all.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 2 2023 18:13 utc | 375

canuck | Sep 2 2023 12:35 utc | 146
*** The problem is (same with cars) the electrics die (you can fix them but the cost is about the same as buying a new one) in 5 or 6 years and the ‘smart’ stove or dishwashers get thrown into landfill instead of working another 25 years or so.
Not to mention that if you hook into the grid with your ‘smart’ furnace the gov. can control your heating and cooling remotely..
Another consumer scam in my opinion.***
Not to mention the fact that between the “smart” appliances and “smart” phones, the corporatist Surveillance State has conned the public into (effectively) electronically tagging themselves.
With additional data from Facebook etc. and (allegedly) “safety” cameras everywhere.
Hardly any of which really makes anyone, except the ever more extortionist authorities and their masters who rule, any safer at all.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 2 2023 18:13 utc | 376

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 2 2023 13:12 utc | 150:

If all the Biden admin is doing by sending their stooges over to China is to play to a domestic audience, which is indeed true, I believe, then why is China playing along? Why not just shut the door and say “you’re unwelcome here?”

Your comment brought out a subtle point of difference in style between the hubris of the West vis-s-vis the lowkey subtleties of China. Western folks like the ‘In-Your-Face” approach in dealing with adversaries. China prefers finesse. They don’t think the momentary rush of the appearance of coming on top amounts to anything. It’s best to be polite, appear reasonable, and see what comes next.
By the way, four of Biden’s stooges have now come and go to China for “talks”. From press releases, I sense that they regard Raimondo as the lone grown up of the clan. You won’t decipher a clear message on this point, but one who understands Chinese culture can tell.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 2 2023 18:14 utc | 377

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 2 2023 13:12 utc | 150:

If all the Biden admin is doing by sending their stooges over to China is to play to a domestic audience, which is indeed true, I believe, then why is China playing along? Why not just shut the door and say “you’re unwelcome here?”

Your comment brought out a subtle point of difference in style between the hubris of the West vis-s-vis the lowkey subtleties of China. Western folks like the ‘In-Your-Face” approach in dealing with adversaries. China prefers finesse. They don’t think the momentary rush of the appearance of coming on top amounts to anything. It’s best to be polite, appear reasonable, and see what comes next.
By the way, four of Biden’s stooges have now come and go to China for “talks”. From press releases, I sense that they regard Raimondo as the lone grown up of the clan. You won’t decipher a clear message on this point, but one who understands Chinese culture can tell.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 2 2023 18:14 utc | 378

By the way, there will be times when China would just shut the door and proclaim “you ain’t welcome here”. When that happens, you’ll know a major change in diplomatic policy regarding that nation has occurred.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 2 2023 18:17 utc | 379

By the way, there will be times when China would just shut the door and proclaim “you ain’t welcome here”. When that happens, you’ll know a major change in diplomatic policy regarding that nation has occurred.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 2 2023 18:17 utc | 380

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 2 2023 18:14 utc | 190
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I believe you are correct about the stylistic differences. The Chinese and to a lesser degree, the Russians, have a more patient and intentional approach.
The American approach (which isn’t common for most of Europe) is much more hasty and reactive.
I had relatives from France recently come to visit and they are used to multi-course, uninterrupted meals. Many Americans today get their food from a drive-thru window and eat quickly in the parking lot.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 18:19 utc | 381

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 2 2023 18:14 utc | 190
###########
I believe you are correct about the stylistic differences. The Chinese and to a lesser degree, the Russians, have a more patient and intentional approach.
The American approach (which isn’t common for most of Europe) is much more hasty and reactive.
I had relatives from France recently come to visit and they are used to multi-course, uninterrupted meals. Many Americans today get their food from a drive-thru window and eat quickly in the parking lot.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 18:19 utc | 382

The very biggest problem with all these Neural Networks is the lack of explainability, the very lack of a specific algorithm to always end up at the same conclusion given an input.
The approach in neural networks is the complete antithesis of sound engineering principles.
Posted by: kspr | Sep 2 2023 9:49 utc | 137

These lacks are disturbing from a philosophical perspective, but they’re relatively unimportant as a practical matter. In most cases, it’s enough to have something that works, or is at least significantly better than the alternative. If I had a magic eight ball that would predict tomorrow’s SPX close with 51% accuracy, I’d be thrilled (and rich).
I agree that it’s not very engineering-like. Perhaps pharmaceuticals are a better analogy. For most drugs, little is known about why they work. Nonetheless, many are far better than the alternative.
Unrelated, re the hollowing out of the US: My career has been STEM, and I’m working out whether to take another job or just retire. My skills are solid, and I could easily go hat in hand and find a job. But, there’s a striking lack of hunger out there for people like me. And it feels like a lot of the best work these days is getting done outside of the US.

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Sep 2 2023 18:26 utc | 383

The very biggest problem with all these Neural Networks is the lack of explainability, the very lack of a specific algorithm to always end up at the same conclusion given an input.
The approach in neural networks is the complete antithesis of sound engineering principles.
Posted by: kspr | Sep 2 2023 9:49 utc | 137

These lacks are disturbing from a philosophical perspective, but they’re relatively unimportant as a practical matter. In most cases, it’s enough to have something that works, or is at least significantly better than the alternative. If I had a magic eight ball that would predict tomorrow’s SPX close with 51% accuracy, I’d be thrilled (and rich).
I agree that it’s not very engineering-like. Perhaps pharmaceuticals are a better analogy. For most drugs, little is known about why they work. Nonetheless, many are far better than the alternative.
Unrelated, re the hollowing out of the US: My career has been STEM, and I’m working out whether to take another job or just retire. My skills are solid, and I could easily go hat in hand and find a job. But, there’s a striking lack of hunger out there for people like me. And it feels like a lot of the best work these days is getting done outside of the US.

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Sep 2 2023 18:26 utc | 384

@LoveDonBass, #164:

As I have gone through life (old man, LOL) I’ve come to appreciate the power of two things. Silence and emotional detachment.

Thank you for this “quote”. The subtlety embedded in your statement is exactly what I was trying to say regarding China’s approach in diplomacy in my post #190.
I guess “old”folks think alike:-).

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 2 2023 18:26 utc | 385

@LoveDonBass, #164:

As I have gone through life (old man, LOL) I’ve come to appreciate the power of two things. Silence and emotional detachment.

Thank you for this “quote”. The subtlety embedded in your statement is exactly what I was trying to say regarding China’s approach in diplomacy in my post #190.
I guess “old”folks think alike:-).

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 2 2023 18:26 utc | 386

Posted by: Toby C | Sep 2 2023 17:14 utc | 186
“It’s time for BRICS to save the world from big bad, but very old Goliath (uncle sam). It’s time us to stop pouring trillions N2 the $h!t Hole propagandists call “defense”. BRICS should become the word police & oversee trials for the western elite’s huge “Crimes Against Humanity” of their proxy war with Russia.”
=============================================
I wish I could share your optimistic faith. Indeed, until covid I was on board – though never unconditionally. However, I really think we should be a little more circumspect. Here is a very soberly written two-part article to get you started.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/who-wants-a-multipolar-world-order-part-i
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/who-wants-a-multipolar-world-order-part-ii
There is much in these articles. Here’s an excerpt from early on in Part I:

Reasons to Doubt
There are many reasons for scepticism about the proposed multipolar world order. While Putin criticised the conduct of Western governments, he didn’t mention any of the many shortcomings of his own administration. Nor did he cast the same critical eye toward the behaviour of his prospective “multipolar” partners, such as the governments of China and India.
The multipolar model espoused by Vladimir Putin and China’s Paramount Leader, Xi Jinping, in their joint statement — made just twenty days before Russia began its official military campaign in Ukraine — sets the United Nations at the centre of a system of global governance
…..
They said they were “gravely concerned about serious international security challenges” and that Russia and China would “actively engage in global governance to ensure universal, comprehensive, indivisible and lasting security”.
Putin and Xi added that they condemned “terrorism in all its manifestations” and would create “a single global anti-terrorism front, with the United Nations playing a central role” to coordinate and construct “multilateral counterterrorism efforts”.
They intend to “deepen cooperation in the field of international information security”, and reaffirmed “the key role of the UN in responding to threats to international information security”. They wish to establish “a single mechanism”, at the global governance level, to police “the use of information and communication technologies” and they support the “internationalization of Internet governance”.
Both leaders said that it was important to accelerate “implementation of the UN 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development”. They identified the following as the key areas over which global governance would rule, in the supposedly new multipolar world order:
food security
vaccines and epidemics control
financing for development
tackling climate change
sustainable development, including green development
industrialization
digital economy
infrastructure connectivity
If this list seems identical to the rhetoric you might have expected to hear from any Western politician on the international stage over the last quarter-century, then that is not because it sounds like the same agenda. It is because it IS the same agenda.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 18:39 utc | 387

Posted by: Toby C | Sep 2 2023 17:14 utc | 186
“It’s time for BRICS to save the world from big bad, but very old Goliath (uncle sam). It’s time us to stop pouring trillions N2 the $h!t Hole propagandists call “defense”. BRICS should become the word police & oversee trials for the western elite’s huge “Crimes Against Humanity” of their proxy war with Russia.”
=============================================
I wish I could share your optimistic faith. Indeed, until covid I was on board – though never unconditionally. However, I really think we should be a little more circumspect. Here is a very soberly written two-part article to get you started.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/who-wants-a-multipolar-world-order-part-i
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/who-wants-a-multipolar-world-order-part-ii
There is much in these articles. Here’s an excerpt from early on in Part I:

Reasons to Doubt
There are many reasons for scepticism about the proposed multipolar world order. While Putin criticised the conduct of Western governments, he didn’t mention any of the many shortcomings of his own administration. Nor did he cast the same critical eye toward the behaviour of his prospective “multipolar” partners, such as the governments of China and India.
The multipolar model espoused by Vladimir Putin and China’s Paramount Leader, Xi Jinping, in their joint statement — made just twenty days before Russia began its official military campaign in Ukraine — sets the United Nations at the centre of a system of global governance
…..
They said they were “gravely concerned about serious international security challenges” and that Russia and China would “actively engage in global governance to ensure universal, comprehensive, indivisible and lasting security”.
Putin and Xi added that they condemned “terrorism in all its manifestations” and would create “a single global anti-terrorism front, with the United Nations playing a central role” to coordinate and construct “multilateral counterterrorism efforts”.
They intend to “deepen cooperation in the field of international information security”, and reaffirmed “the key role of the UN in responding to threats to international information security”. They wish to establish “a single mechanism”, at the global governance level, to police “the use of information and communication technologies” and they support the “internationalization of Internet governance”.
Both leaders said that it was important to accelerate “implementation of the UN 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development”. They identified the following as the key areas over which global governance would rule, in the supposedly new multipolar world order:
food security
vaccines and epidemics control
financing for development
tackling climate change
sustainable development, including green development
industrialization
digital economy
infrastructure connectivity
If this list seems identical to the rhetoric you might have expected to hear from any Western politician on the international stage over the last quarter-century, then that is not because it sounds like the same agenda. It is because it IS the same agenda.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 18:39 utc | 388

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 18:19 utc | 192
I had relatives from France recently come to visit and they are used to multi-course, uninterrupted meals.
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I lived in France for a few years, but many, many decades ago. I can’t tell you how happy it makes me to read that they are still into their multi-course meals! No doubt many French are more modernized in this regard, but thankfully not all!

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 18:47 utc | 389

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 2 2023 18:19 utc | 192
I had relatives from France recently come to visit and they are used to multi-course, uninterrupted meals.
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I lived in France for a few years, but many, many decades ago. I can’t tell you how happy it makes me to read that they are still into their multi-course meals! No doubt many French are more modernized in this regard, but thankfully not all!

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 18:47 utc | 390

@Pacifica Advocate | Sep 2 2023 4:17 utc | 104 etc.

I gotta say, as a guy who has now spent most of my 50+ years of life on the island of Formosa

Your tenure while living in Taiwan is respectful but does not automatically translate to objectivity. It is welcome to argue with facts rather than opinions. If I misstate anything, it’s more than welcome to correct it.
Most people would just call Taiwan Taiwan in casual conversation. Is the use of Formosa an attempt to express a point? If so, that is typically for Taiwan independence.

Taiwanese speak Mandarin (called “The Country’s Language”, when referred to), they read and write using traditional Chinese characters (I.e.: more historically “Chinese” than those used on the mainland), their most beloved novelists were historically fiercely nationalist mainland Chinese (Jin Yong, etc), their temples are built to worship deities imported from the mainland, their oldest rural areas still identify with the regions their ancestors emigrated from, local cuisines and dialects still reflect those same regional origins, the top celebrities still are welcomed by both Taiwanese and Mainland China alike, and to be frank most Taiwanese I have met are far better informed about what’s happening internationally than the average NATOstani is. Taiwanese don’t only get their news from the US, but also China, Korea, and Japan.

If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, looks like a duck, is it a duck?! Given what you said about people in Taiwan speaking Mandarin, obersving Chinese holidays and traditions, writing/reading in traditional Chinese, so they are not Chinese?! Since you live there for more than 50+ years, you must have the first-hand observation about how people in Taiwan identify themselves “over the past 30 years”. Are there still a lot of people identify themselves as sole Chinese? The best may be Chinese and Taiwanese but my impression is the percentage for both Chinese/Taiwanese is not high. The majority now identify themselves as Taiwanese only. When an ameriiikan goes abroad, does the amerikkkan say he/she is Texan or Californian at first? The most likely is amerikkkan first then from Texas or California. But do you often hear people in Taiwan saying Chinese first than from Taiwan now?!

Now, it is true that the full-court propaganda push on Ukraine has succeeded as well here as it has everywhere else in extended NATOstan, but that’s what we are all watching fall apart with each passing day, no?

Well, I am not sure. Is the narrative of “Ukraine winning” falling apart in the west for the general public? People in Taiwan in general don’t pay much attention to outside world except the amerikkkan master. People in Taiwan are likely more familiar with what is happening in the us than typical amerikkkans. As for elsewhere, that is little interest to most Taiwanese.

Taiwanese are terrified of the CPC, and so many of them hold out hope that the US will be able to “deliver them from evil,” so to speak. But Ukraine is going to starkly demonstrate to such folk the utter futility in such a faith. The fact that Terry Guo/Gou (Guo Taiming) is campaigning on that slogan is all the indication one needs to ascertain that, increasingly, the lesson the average Taiwanese is taking away from that war is the accurate one. Guo is a canny political player, and if he gets the right running mate he stands a strong chance of winning. He’s also an ally of Trump and Bannon.

There are historical traces for this. Chiang KS’s KMT and regime smeared CPC significantly to maintain its ruling, which is understandable. The KMT force that retreated from mainland to Taiwan lost its fight with PLA. It is not uncommon they’d have bad words about CPC. Even in 1970s, KMT propaganda even stated that people in China generally were so poor that they had to eat tree roots/skins. There seemed some similar descriptions toward Taiwan from the PRC side around that time as well. So both sides did the similar since both are Chinese. There are reasons why KMT lost to CPC. It is another huge topic. But the reason is definitely not that CPC won because it is evil communists.
Guo is canny?! Hmm, that is an interesting view. IMO, he is dishonest because he does not keep his word to support KMT’s nominee after the primary. If he is honest, he’d either not say what he said or keep his word.
Ke WJ (the mayor of Taipei City, 2014-2022) is not unaffiliated. He is indeed DPP light or so-called light-green in Taiwan’s political spectrum. He has created his own political party.

So I would strongly urge all folk here to press the mute button on any person who jumps up saying that a war with China over Taiwan is imminent and inevitable.

A war with China is not imminent for sure but inevitable should Taiwan regime keeps its current path and behavior with amerikkka’s push. One needs to recognize a very important fact that Taiwan currently is NOT a sovereign but an amerikkka colony. Politicians in Taiwan is OK with that or even proud of it, especially DPP. Historically speaking, Chiang’s regimes (CKS and CJK) could assert the most sovereignty. Lee still could to some extent. Since Chen, all are just amerikkkan puppets and Tsai is the most loyal one so far. Lai may have a good chance to surpass Tsai on the most loyal prize because he told his supporters in one occasion that Taiwanese CANNOT cast ANY doubt on amerikkka because his amerikkkan daddy has done so much for Taiwan. China does not want a war across the Strait because it definitely impacts Chinese rejuvenation. But it has to solve the Taiwan issue one way or another to complete Chinese rejuvenation.

Such people who spout such nonsense are whispering into a whirlwind, and will be long forgotten after their fearmongering fails in its aims.

Don’t you see a number of amerikkkans saying the similar thing for a while (from military, think tanks, and politicians)? One example is that Robert O’Brien said to send Taiwan AK47 so it can defend itself. So it is not fearmongering when amerikkkans say it but it is when others say the similar thing based on what actually happened?! This looks like typical amerikkkan and DPP double standards without shame.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Sep 2 2023 19:01 utc | 391

@Pacifica Advocate | Sep 2 2023 4:17 utc | 104 etc.

I gotta say, as a guy who has now spent most of my 50+ years of life on the island of Formosa

Your tenure while living in Taiwan is respectful but does not automatically translate to objectivity. It is welcome to argue with facts rather than opinions. If I misstate anything, it’s more than welcome to correct it.
Most people would just call Taiwan Taiwan in casual conversation. Is the use of Formosa an attempt to express a point? If so, that is typically for Taiwan independence.

Taiwanese speak Mandarin (called “The Country’s Language”, when referred to), they read and write using traditional Chinese characters (I.e.: more historically “Chinese” than those used on the mainland), their most beloved novelists were historically fiercely nationalist mainland Chinese (Jin Yong, etc), their temples are built to worship deities imported from the mainland, their oldest rural areas still identify with the regions their ancestors emigrated from, local cuisines and dialects still reflect those same regional origins, the top celebrities still are welcomed by both Taiwanese and Mainland China alike, and to be frank most Taiwanese I have met are far better informed about what’s happening internationally than the average NATOstani is. Taiwanese don’t only get their news from the US, but also China, Korea, and Japan.

If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, looks like a duck, is it a duck?! Given what you said about people in Taiwan speaking Mandarin, obersving Chinese holidays and traditions, writing/reading in traditional Chinese, so they are not Chinese?! Since you live there for more than 50+ years, you must have the first-hand observation about how people in Taiwan identify themselves “over the past 30 years”. Are there still a lot of people identify themselves as sole Chinese? The best may be Chinese and Taiwanese but my impression is the percentage for both Chinese/Taiwanese is not high. The majority now identify themselves as Taiwanese only. When an ameriiikan goes abroad, does the amerikkkan say he/she is Texan or Californian at first? The most likely is amerikkkan first then from Texas or California. But do you often hear people in Taiwan saying Chinese first than from Taiwan now?!

Now, it is true that the full-court propaganda push on Ukraine has succeeded as well here as it has everywhere else in extended NATOstan, but that’s what we are all watching fall apart with each passing day, no?

Well, I am not sure. Is the narrative of “Ukraine winning” falling apart in the west for the general public? People in Taiwan in general don’t pay much attention to outside world except the amerikkkan master. People in Taiwan are likely more familiar with what is happening in the us than typical amerikkkans. As for elsewhere, that is little interest to most Taiwanese.

Taiwanese are terrified of the CPC, and so many of them hold out hope that the US will be able to “deliver them from evil,” so to speak. But Ukraine is going to starkly demonstrate to such folk the utter futility in such a faith. The fact that Terry Guo/Gou (Guo Taiming) is campaigning on that slogan is all the indication one needs to ascertain that, increasingly, the lesson the average Taiwanese is taking away from that war is the accurate one. Guo is a canny political player, and if he gets the right running mate he stands a strong chance of winning. He’s also an ally of Trump and Bannon.

There are historical traces for this. Chiang KS’s KMT and regime smeared CPC significantly to maintain its ruling, which is understandable. The KMT force that retreated from mainland to Taiwan lost its fight with PLA. It is not uncommon they’d have bad words about CPC. Even in 1970s, KMT propaganda even stated that people in China generally were so poor that they had to eat tree roots/skins. There seemed some similar descriptions toward Taiwan from the PRC side around that time as well. So both sides did the similar since both are Chinese. There are reasons why KMT lost to CPC. It is another huge topic. But the reason is definitely not that CPC won because it is evil communists.
Guo is canny?! Hmm, that is an interesting view. IMO, he is dishonest because he does not keep his word to support KMT’s nominee after the primary. If he is honest, he’d either not say what he said or keep his word.
Ke WJ (the mayor of Taipei City, 2014-2022) is not unaffiliated. He is indeed DPP light or so-called light-green in Taiwan’s political spectrum. He has created his own political party.

So I would strongly urge all folk here to press the mute button on any person who jumps up saying that a war with China over Taiwan is imminent and inevitable.

A war with China is not imminent for sure but inevitable should Taiwan regime keeps its current path and behavior with amerikkka’s push. One needs to recognize a very important fact that Taiwan currently is NOT a sovereign but an amerikkka colony. Politicians in Taiwan is OK with that or even proud of it, especially DPP. Historically speaking, Chiang’s regimes (CKS and CJK) could assert the most sovereignty. Lee still could to some extent. Since Chen, all are just amerikkkan puppets and Tsai is the most loyal one so far. Lai may have a good chance to surpass Tsai on the most loyal prize because he told his supporters in one occasion that Taiwanese CANNOT cast ANY doubt on amerikkka because his amerikkkan daddy has done so much for Taiwan. China does not want a war across the Strait because it definitely impacts Chinese rejuvenation. But it has to solve the Taiwan issue one way or another to complete Chinese rejuvenation.

Such people who spout such nonsense are whispering into a whirlwind, and will be long forgotten after their fearmongering fails in its aims.

Don’t you see a number of amerikkkans saying the similar thing for a while (from military, think tanks, and politicians)? One example is that Robert O’Brien said to send Taiwan AK47 so it can defend itself. So it is not fearmongering when amerikkkans say it but it is when others say the similar thing based on what actually happened?! This looks like typical amerikkkan and DPP double standards without shame.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Sep 2 2023 19:01 utc | 392

@LuRenJia | Sep 2 2023 16:09 utc | 174
I don’t trust much of polling in Taiwan, especially by those who are DPP-leaning. Polls are easy to (mis)-lead or manipulate, especially in Taiwan.
If you don’t trust the polls, then what is your justification for saying “Most Taiwanese now do not think they are Chinese but just Taiwanese”?
I would say the DPP’s crushing loss in the 2022 election suggests that its pro-independence message is not gaining traction in Taiwan. An election is a form of polling, I suppose, but if you don’t believe it then you don’t believe in democracy.
In addition, do you really think the current status quo is the SAME as in 1990 or even 2016 at the start of Tsai’s regime?
No, some things do change. The article I cited before, which reported nearly 85% support for status quo, was published in 2021. Four years previously, in 2017, another article reported 70% support. So it appears that the Taiwanese support for status quo (and rejection of formal independence) actually increases over time. The DPP’s crushing loss in 2022 is the latest point in a clear trend.

Posted by: Cyril | Sep 2 2023 19:04 utc | 393

@LuRenJia | Sep 2 2023 16:09 utc | 174
I don’t trust much of polling in Taiwan, especially by those who are DPP-leaning. Polls are easy to (mis)-lead or manipulate, especially in Taiwan.
If you don’t trust the polls, then what is your justification for saying “Most Taiwanese now do not think they are Chinese but just Taiwanese”?
I would say the DPP’s crushing loss in the 2022 election suggests that its pro-independence message is not gaining traction in Taiwan. An election is a form of polling, I suppose, but if you don’t believe it then you don’t believe in democracy.
In addition, do you really think the current status quo is the SAME as in 1990 or even 2016 at the start of Tsai’s regime?
No, some things do change. The article I cited before, which reported nearly 85% support for status quo, was published in 2021. Four years previously, in 2017, another article reported 70% support. So it appears that the Taiwanese support for status quo (and rejection of formal independence) actually increases over time. The DPP’s crushing loss in 2022 is the latest point in a clear trend.

Posted by: Cyril | Sep 2 2023 19:04 utc | 394

Today’s Global Times editorial is revelatory, “Why the US and West are so keen to act as ‘victims’”:

In recent years, Western countries, which have been acting arrogantly as “great powers,” are now full of victims’ grievances and complaining about being “coerced” and “bullied,” which seems peculiar.
Whether it is economic, military or political, the advantages held by the US-led Western bloc are obvious. Although this advantage fluctuates from time to time, it has generally been maintained since the end of World War II until now. In other words, they are bigger in every field. They only bully others, and they do love to bully others. This has become the main manifestation of the hegemony of the US and the West. Over the years, there have been numerous examples of their interference, bullying, coercion and even direct aggression against other sovereign countries. Now, they frequently come out with complaints and accusations of being “bullied” by others. This serves as a big contrast to the true impression left on the world by the reality of international politics.
In the West, this is known as “victim-blaming.” When the US and the West claim that they have been bullied and harmed, it is not because they have actually suffered any injustice, but because they have evil intentions.
On the one hand, for the US and the West, the “victim-blaming” approach is also a form of cognitive warfare. A classic example of this unfolded at the Shangri-La Dialogue in early June this year, where US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, in his speech, mentioned “bullying” three times and “coercion” five times, all pointing to China, either directly or indirectly, conveniently forgetting the fact that it is the US aircraft carriers and military aircraft that continually provoke China in its vicinity. Their robber’s logic is evident. When it comes to smearing and demonizing China, the standard of the Western world can change as easily as a swiveling wheel, depending on their interests. Being devoid of logic is their own logic, being devoid of reason is their reason, and being devoid of rules are their rules.
On the other hand, the so-called “victim” mentality of the US and the West is also a form of resistance against the prevailing trends of the times. In a sense, the anxiety felt by Western countries may not be entirely staged. Following the victory in the Cold War and for a considerable period after its conclusion, developed countries enjoyed unrivalled dominance in shaping international discourse. As a result, many Western elites naturally believed that international rules should be tailor-made to serve their own interests, unquestionably granting them the right to prioritize their own development. However, as history’s pendulum has swung toward a multipolar world, the international order, which was previously dominated by the US, is inevitably undergoing changes. So, on the surface, it may seem like they are rejecting China’s gradual ascent to the global center stage, but deep down, they are filled with fear about turning the page on history and entering a new era….
From this perspective, it becomes clear why the US and Western countries are putting so much effort into this performance. Ultimately, it’s because they are experiencing a psychological imbalance due to the changing balance of power between East and West. They are anxious that China and other emerging economies, once they become powerful, might affect or erode Western hegemony. Therefore, they attempt to portray themselves as victims to legitimize their containment and suppression of China, in an effort to deceive the world.
As the saying goes, “A righteous cause is required when sending an army.” The US and the West, as an unjust aggressor, seeks to fabricate a “righteous cause” for themselves. While they employ various tactics and have a mastery of rhetoric, their core intentions, veiled in a dark shadow, have long been exposed. Their efforts are unlikely to achieve the desired results.

The “desired results” is war with China to prevent it from becoming further modernized that Western idiots see as them becoming dethroned when what China seeks is global harmony. These two vastly different visions are part of what’s at the root of the current geopolitical conflict, although the Empire’s aim to establish Full Spectrum Dominance over the planet is at the conflict’s core.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2 2023 19:08 utc | 395

Today’s Global Times editorial is revelatory, “Why the US and West are so keen to act as ‘victims’”:

In recent years, Western countries, which have been acting arrogantly as “great powers,” are now full of victims’ grievances and complaining about being “coerced” and “bullied,” which seems peculiar.
Whether it is economic, military or political, the advantages held by the US-led Western bloc are obvious. Although this advantage fluctuates from time to time, it has generally been maintained since the end of World War II until now. In other words, they are bigger in every field. They only bully others, and they do love to bully others. This has become the main manifestation of the hegemony of the US and the West. Over the years, there have been numerous examples of their interference, bullying, coercion and even direct aggression against other sovereign countries. Now, they frequently come out with complaints and accusations of being “bullied” by others. This serves as a big contrast to the true impression left on the world by the reality of international politics.
In the West, this is known as “victim-blaming.” When the US and the West claim that they have been bullied and harmed, it is not because they have actually suffered any injustice, but because they have evil intentions.
On the one hand, for the US and the West, the “victim-blaming” approach is also a form of cognitive warfare. A classic example of this unfolded at the Shangri-La Dialogue in early June this year, where US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, in his speech, mentioned “bullying” three times and “coercion” five times, all pointing to China, either directly or indirectly, conveniently forgetting the fact that it is the US aircraft carriers and military aircraft that continually provoke China in its vicinity. Their robber’s logic is evident. When it comes to smearing and demonizing China, the standard of the Western world can change as easily as a swiveling wheel, depending on their interests. Being devoid of logic is their own logic, being devoid of reason is their reason, and being devoid of rules are their rules.
On the other hand, the so-called “victim” mentality of the US and the West is also a form of resistance against the prevailing trends of the times. In a sense, the anxiety felt by Western countries may not be entirely staged. Following the victory in the Cold War and for a considerable period after its conclusion, developed countries enjoyed unrivalled dominance in shaping international discourse. As a result, many Western elites naturally believed that international rules should be tailor-made to serve their own interests, unquestionably granting them the right to prioritize their own development. However, as history’s pendulum has swung toward a multipolar world, the international order, which was previously dominated by the US, is inevitably undergoing changes. So, on the surface, it may seem like they are rejecting China’s gradual ascent to the global center stage, but deep down, they are filled with fear about turning the page on history and entering a new era….
From this perspective, it becomes clear why the US and Western countries are putting so much effort into this performance. Ultimately, it’s because they are experiencing a psychological imbalance due to the changing balance of power between East and West. They are anxious that China and other emerging economies, once they become powerful, might affect or erode Western hegemony. Therefore, they attempt to portray themselves as victims to legitimize their containment and suppression of China, in an effort to deceive the world.
As the saying goes, “A righteous cause is required when sending an army.” The US and the West, as an unjust aggressor, seeks to fabricate a “righteous cause” for themselves. While they employ various tactics and have a mastery of rhetoric, their core intentions, veiled in a dark shadow, have long been exposed. Their efforts are unlikely to achieve the desired results.

The “desired results” is war with China to prevent it from becoming further modernized that Western idiots see as them becoming dethroned when what China seeks is global harmony. These two vastly different visions are part of what’s at the root of the current geopolitical conflict, although the Empire’s aim to establish Full Spectrum Dominance over the planet is at the conflict’s core.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2 2023 19:08 utc | 396

Taiwan is the unsinkable aircraft carrier for attacking China. They said this openly.

Posted by: Parfum | Sep 2 2023 19:22 utc | 397

Taiwan is the unsinkable aircraft carrier for attacking China. They said this openly.

Posted by: Parfum | Sep 2 2023 19:22 utc | 398

@Cyril | Sep 2 2023 19:04 utc | 198
Elections are different from pollings in common sense. Your intentional mixing of the two as an argument against me is questionable. When I said most people…”, can’t I get my opinion from reading various sources rather than from some specific polling result?!
Can you be sure that the pollsters explains CLEARLY about what the “status quo” is to the polled when they conducted the polling and what has changed from status quo of 2018 and status quo of 2023?! I double so. And the concept “status quo” to common Taiwanese is likely that Taiwan maintains its current form of government and China has no control over Taiwan own affairs. So they’d naturally select that option if it is available when prompted. Few would really understand the differences of “status quo” between the years.
The 2022 election was meaningfully affected by the Pelosi visit in 2022/08 to Taiwan. It could be the first time that Taiwanese “feels” the sense of potential war. Yes, they elected KMT candidates to local governments because of that. But does that change ANYTHING regarding the relation across the Strait or what Tsai’s regime does along with amerikkka. If your answer is yes, you must be kidding yourself to the Mars. What matters is the presidential and central legislative elections for Taiwan’s direction. Your so-called democracy is basically a ceremonial event and don’t really change much. You can believe what you believe and things still happen as they do.
Taiwanese “reject” formal independence because they know PLA will surely come if that happens. If China gives up reunion by force, see what would happen?!
Like I responded to Pacific Advocate, Taiwan is an amerikkkan colony now so it does NOT matter who wins Taiwan 2024 presidential election. Whoever wins will still loyally follows its master’s orders.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Sep 2 2023 19:32 utc | 399

@Cyril | Sep 2 2023 19:04 utc | 198
Elections are different from pollings in common sense. Your intentional mixing of the two as an argument against me is questionable. When I said most people…”, can’t I get my opinion from reading various sources rather than from some specific polling result?!
Can you be sure that the pollsters explains CLEARLY about what the “status quo” is to the polled when they conducted the polling and what has changed from status quo of 2018 and status quo of 2023?! I double so. And the concept “status quo” to common Taiwanese is likely that Taiwan maintains its current form of government and China has no control over Taiwan own affairs. So they’d naturally select that option if it is available when prompted. Few would really understand the differences of “status quo” between the years.
The 2022 election was meaningfully affected by the Pelosi visit in 2022/08 to Taiwan. It could be the first time that Taiwanese “feels” the sense of potential war. Yes, they elected KMT candidates to local governments because of that. But does that change ANYTHING regarding the relation across the Strait or what Tsai’s regime does along with amerikkka. If your answer is yes, you must be kidding yourself to the Mars. What matters is the presidential and central legislative elections for Taiwan’s direction. Your so-called democracy is basically a ceremonial event and don’t really change much. You can believe what you believe and things still happen as they do.
Taiwanese “reject” formal independence because they know PLA will surely come if that happens. If China gives up reunion by force, see what would happen?!
Like I responded to Pacific Advocate, Taiwan is an amerikkkan colony now so it does NOT matter who wins Taiwan 2024 presidential election. Whoever wins will still loyally follows its master’s orders.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Sep 2 2023 19:32 utc | 400