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August 18, 2023

U.S. Sanctions Syrian 'Moderate Rebels' It Had Previously Armed

In 2013 the CIA was handing out TOW anti-tank missiles to 'moderate rebel' groups who were fighting the government in Syria. These groups were allegedly 'vetted' before they receive money and weapons. Unfortunately 'vetting' was something the CIA had never been good at.

One of the groups that received such support was the Hamza Division:

Hamza Division (Forqat al-Hamza – فرقة الحمزة): An FSA-banner group composed of six substituent brigades that operate mostly in the environs of Inkhil, Daraa. The Hamza Division has received TOW ATGMs and it works under the supervision of the Daraa Military Council. They receives foreign support from Western and Arab state backers and are a member of the Southern Front coalition. The Southern Front has stated their commitment to a civil state, and have released a comprehensive political program in support of democratic reform. The Division came together with the Syria Revolutionaries Front and the 1st Artillery Regiment to create the 1st Army, which later disbanded. The Hamza Division continues using the 1st Army imagery alongside its own while the other former substituents do not. Social Media: YouTube; YouTube (older channel)

Hamza was later also supported by the Pentagon. Without such support the group would never have become a viable entity. Things got a bit complicated when militias armed by the Pentagon started to fight those armed by the CIA.

Later Hamza was sponsored by the Turkish state. This again made things a bit complicated:

Elijah J. Magnier @ejmalrai - 17:39 · Oct 16, 2019

Do you remember when the #US spent $500 million to train/arm Al-Hamza Division?

Well the US-trained "Moderate rebels" are fighting - under a NATO flagged country (#Turkey) - the US-trained Kurdish YPG in the area occupied by the #US.

I'll make it even easier: A few minutes ago, #US Prsdt @realDonaldTrump said the "PKK is far more dangerous than #ISIS (The Islamic State)".

The US trained & armed Syrian Kurds proxies, the YPG, are the Syrian branch of the PKK that Trump considers far more dangerous than ISIS.

Ten years after being 'vetted' the Hamza division is again receiving U.S. attention. This time from the Department of the Treasuries:

Today, the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) is designating two Syria-based armed militias and three members of the groups’ leadership structures in connection with serious human rights abuses against those residing in the Afrin region of northern Syria. An auto sales company owned by the leader of one of the armed groups is also being designated.
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The Hamza Division, another armed opposition group operating in northern Syria, has been involved in abductions, theft of property, and torture. The division also operates detention facilities in which it houses those it has abducted for extended periods of time. During their imprisonment, victims are held for ransom, often suffering sexual abuse at the hands of Hamza Division fighters.

The Suleiman Shah Brigade and the Hamza Division are being designated pursuant to E.O. 13894 for being responsible for or complicit in, or for having directly or indirectly engaged in, the commission of serious human rights abuses against the Syrian people.
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Sayf Boulad Abu Bakr is the leader of the Hamza Division and its public face, appearing in numerous propaganda videos produced by the Hamza Division. While Abu Bakr has been commander, the Hamza Division has been accused of brutal repression of the local population, including kidnapping Kurdish women and severely abusing prisoners, at times leading to their death.

Sayf Boulad Abu Bakr is being designated pursuant to E.O. 13894 for acting or purporting to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, the Hamza Division.

The AP report about the new sanctions does not mention any Pentagon or CIA support the groups had previously received.

One wonders how long it will take until the U.S. will sanction the fascists militia it has and is now arming and sponsoring in Ukraine.

Posted by b on August 18, 2023 at 15:36 UTC | Permalink

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thanks b... isn't this standard procedure for the cia and friends?? isn't it the same game plan for niger??? our terrorists are the good terrorists, so we fund them.. to go after the bad terrorists, lol.... if the usa and friends were ever capable of self examination, things would be different - but they're not! and don't expect the msm presstitutes to relay anything touching reality on any of this either!

Posted by: james | Aug 18 2023 15:42 utc | 1

Excellent reporting b. The plots and schemes of Maerica are woven so thick and chaotically that one cannot deem it to be strategy. It's like the robot vacuums that do not use a mapping algorithm, just randomly bouncing off walls hoping to hit the right spots. I hadn't heard of this group, it being difficult to keep up with Maerican State department vacuity about who are 'bad terrorists' and who are 'good terrorists'.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 18 2023 15:44 utc | 2

The criteria are simple. When the terrorists do our bidding and destabilise those whom we don’t like, they become good terrorists and we support them. When they go against our interests, they become bad terrorists and go on our naughty list.

Posted by: Moses22 | Aug 18 2023 15:46 utc | 3

Thanks for the posting b

In response to
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The criteria are simple. When the terrorists do our bidding and destabilise those whom we don’t like, they become good terrorists and we support them. When they go against our interests, they become bad terrorists and go on our naughty list.

Posted by: Moses22 | Aug 18 2023 15:46 utc | 3
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You got it right but I want to add the part about all the military equipment purchases/profit goes to our side.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 18 2023 15:55 utc | 4

TASS today.
Spokesperson Zakharova --
"[T]he Russian Federation will do everything possible so that not a single Nazi butcher evades just retribution for the crimes they have committed"

Ze has no bright future. Hurry Sundown.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Aug 18 2023 16:00 utc | 5

The point of the Syrian war for the US (and its guiding spirit in Israel) is to destabilise Syria, and keep it permanently in a state of chaos. So arming one group of jihadis, and then switching to another is perfectly fine and logical. They tried to do the same in Iraq, but ultimately failed in turning the country into warring independent statelets, Iraqi Kurdistan being the only survivor. The same was followed in Syria, and its still on the go. Jihadis are better than nationalist identities for this, as they're permanently fighting over one ideology or another. Ibn Saud back on the 1930s understood this very well, and had the jihadis who had successfully fought for him exterminated in 1935. The US doesn't want peace and calm, so they keep the jihadis going.

Posted by: laguerre | Aug 18 2023 16:06 utc | 6

You're a critical resource old B. This update reminds me of the unparalleled coverage you provided during the war on Assad, which first drew me to the site.

I think it's only a matter of time before the Ukrainian version of ISIS get shunned and start using their weapons and billions of dollars to foment violent Nazi jihad throughout Europe.

The imperialists just create and then decry one monster after another. Anything but try to actually fight their own battles.

It's like Lavrov said recently, they stir up chaos everywhere and then fish in the troubled waters hoping to find some opportunity to stave off their inevitable decline.

This is why the queen of triangulation, Nuland, remains in power regardless of the president (Trump was the only president in decades not to employ her).

She's of a type that believes pitting others against each other for one's own benefit (regardless of how many innocents are slaughtered or even possible nuclear Armageddon) is the mark of real intelligence and superiority.

They fancy themselves to be very clever, but the game is up. Virtually the whole world is waking up to the putrid excrescence that US imperialism has become, even her own citizens.


Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 18 2023 16:09 utc | 7

"One wonders how long it will take until the U.S. will sanction the fascists militia it has and is now arming and sponsoring in Ukraine."

After the Elensky regime crashes and the nazis ooze out of the remnants of Ukranazistan to revenge themselves on the Europistani slaves of the Amerikastani Empire for not giving them "enough help". That's when.

Of course, they'll be then claimed to be "Russian proxies".

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 18 2023 16:18 utc | 8

Victoria “Fuck the EU” Nuland, destroying the world one country at a time:

https://jamesburrillangell.substack.com/p/strange-diplomacy-victoria-fck-the

https://jamesburrillangell.substack.com/p/strange-states-autonomous-administration

Posted by: doim | Aug 18 2023 16:26 utc | 9


Someone aught to someday write out the FULL STORY of shifting US/Turkish/Yizaeli shifting of support and (hypocritical) support for these falsely religious terror groups -- includeing un-vawering support for terroristic regimes à la the so-called "Yitzraël"baseed on an expantion from the little hill called "Zion" -- situated at a spot here the dales lead only down to the Dead Sea.

Posted by: T | Aug 18 2023 16:30 utc | 10

Speaking of sanctions, the US congress has said that if the Russian space vehicle is allowed to land on the moon, the House is preparing a sanctions package under CAATSA for the lunar government. This sanctions move is supported by America's European allies, Annalena Baerbock stated that unless that rocket does a 360 and comes back to earth, that Germany will agree to the proposed US sanctions as well. The package is designed to do maximum damage to the lunar economy and is widely considered within State and DOD to be an effective move.

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Aug 18 2023 16:46 utc | 11

@5

As if it would be the Russians who get to capture the Clown.
This guy must have a lot of dirt on the West, with all the shady dealings, all the atrocities committed, all the lies. You think they would let him walk away with it, having all this first hand proof of their criminal relationship as a potential threat against them, instead of tying up loose ends?

If he is not useful and dependent anymore, well, his Western "friends" will put a bullet through his head and blame it on the Russians, or it will be the oligarchs or the fascists. The former might even "mourn his loss" facetiously, while the later will probably just denounce him as somebody who is nothing more than a lowly member of the wrong tribe.

Posted by: Roland | Aug 18 2023 16:50 utc | 12

Another good example that demonstrates that the "US" is not monolithic. Instead we see competing groups (FBI, CIA, Pentagon) with differing agendas, sponsors and controllers.

The left hand eventually finds out what the right hand is doing, but is powerless to stop it.

And presidents are in the same boat, they have little direct power except for the bully pulpit and presidential orders/findings. Surrounded by yes-men (and yes-women), unable to distinguish supporters from turncoats but relying on "viziers" like Kissinger, Karl Rove and Rahm Emanuel.

Byzantine!

Posted by: jonku | Aug 18 2023 16:54 utc | 13

Re: Ozark Grampa,

Good one!

Posted by: c | Aug 18 2023 17:03 utc | 14

"One wonders how long it will take until the U.S. will sanction the fascists militia it has and is now arming and sponsoring in Ukraine."

One wonders, how long before the terrorists in dc eventually get 'sanctioned' !!!

Posted by: Rd | Aug 18 2023 17:12 utc | 15

"The point of the Syrian war for the US (and its guiding spirit in Israel) is to destabilise Syria, and keep it permanently in a state of chaos.... The US doesn't want peace and calm, so they keep the jihadis going."

The "failed state" policy. Some people argue the policy failed, this regime change, that regime change. Maybe. In any case, the resulting failed state, total chaos, suits the US even better than a puppet. More oil to steal from Syria, right?

Isn't this pretty much the stated US policy of regime change for Russia and the break up of Russia into a pile of smaller rump states? Chaos.

Imagine the mess if/when this gets applied across Africa. Nuland and Blinken will be high-fiving in the State Dept. OTOH, those 800 bases gotta be tough to defend.

Posted by: oracle | Aug 18 2023 17:32 utc | 16

The author of the "Angry Arab" website noted that the Americans were complaining about the Russians bombing an Al Qaeda offshoot in Syria. He wrote that if poeple had told Americans that within 15 years of 9/11, their government would object to Al Qaeda being attacked, they would not have been believed.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 18 2023 17:45 utc | 17

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 18 2023 16:18 utc | 8

Of course, they'll be then claimed to be "Russian proxies".

Putin has had a history of funding right wing extremists such as Marine LePen to be Russian proxies.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Aug 18 2023 17:46 utc | 18

Funny....I reading yesterday an article about the upcoming "Captigon" epidemic that (will be) threatening Europe and the states. The main thrust of the article was to keep repeating and reminding that "The Assad Regime" is the Primary world manufacturer and distributor of Captigon..used to keep it's government afloat with cash. It (the article) seemed too out of the blue, and made me suspicious it wasn't one of those "preparing the ground" type of things...Like WMDs in Iraq

Posted by: BDK | Aug 18 2023 17:48 utc | 19

"Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control"

That says it all. What authority does US Treasury have over foreign assets?

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Aug 18 2023 17:55 utc | 20

Putin has had a history of funding right wing extremists such as Marine LePen to be Russian proxies.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Aug 18 2023 17:46 utc | 18

A nice bit of sophism there, my poison dwarf. But, weren't you going to change that handle?

Jigs up, Inki. You were outed long ago as an imperialist stooge at the bar.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 18 2023 17:59 utc | 21

The author of the "Angry Arab" website noted that the Americans were complaining about the Russians bombing an Al Qaeda offshoot in Syria. He wrote that if poeple had told Americans that within 15 years of 9/11, their government would object to Al Qaeda being attacked, they would not have been believed.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 18 2023 17:45 utc | 17

That's a great site. I haven't read in awhile, but he had some good analysis of the Arab Spring.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 18 2023 18:01 utc | 22

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Aug 18 2023 17:46 utc | 18

#######

Did Putin also fund Marine LePen's father?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 18 2023 18:01 utc | 23

Funny....I reading yesterday an article about the upcoming "Captigon" epidemic that (will be) threatening Europe and the states.
Posted by: BDK | Aug 18 2023 17:48 utc | 19

"Always accuse others of that which you do". The motto of psychopaths, as exhibited by the US ruling class.

It has been reported for years that the US supplies ISIS and other terrorists groups with Captagon, an amphetamine drug which increases stamina and decreases moral inhibitions. The ensuing atrocities sicken the hearts of decent people. The Syrians are the victims, not the perps.
The Russians report that the Ukie troops have been provided with something similar.

Now the US will flood the west with the same drug? That should work out well.

Note that after 2001 there was a massive heroin epidemic in the west. The heroin came from Afghanistan, but that was rarely noted by the msm.

However, after heroin devastated much of the US, from rural communities to inner cities, Americans began to put two and two together.

So, Poof! The heroin epidemic became the oxycontin epidemic (those evil Sacklers!) and now has morphed into the fentanyl epidemic (those scheming Chinese commies).

I wondered what would happen to the CIA drug trade after their Afghan heroin connection was severed.

Thanks for the heads up. I'm betting on captagon.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 18 2023 18:15 utc | 24

On the bright side... at least we WON in Grenada... and it stayed won.

Not so much for any American Military involved conflict since then... but at least we put that "W" in the books.

Posted by: Retaining_H2O | Aug 18 2023 18:15 utc | 25

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Aug 18 2023 16:46 utc | 11

The man in the moon has been getting away with his “I’m just a neutral piece of rock floating in space” bull shit for far too long. About time he’s put on the sanctions list!

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 18 2023 18:21 utc | 26


Grenada was a stunning win, after all they were up against 42 college radicals AND a cuban construction crew!

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 18 2023 18:34 utc | 27

An auto sales company owned by the leader of one of the armed groups is also being designated.

Would you buy a used car from these terror-um-moderate rebels?

jonku | Aug 18 2023 16:54 utc | 13

Byzantine!

Yes, late stage imperial decadence is very obviously starting to bite.

I recently read A.B. Abrams's World War in Syria; it is a must read. What the US has done to Syria over the past 70 years is beyond disgraceful, and all because Syria elected to not choose sides in the USA's continued low intensity war against USSR/Russia (I no longer make a distinction between the USA/UK/various EU states; they are all the same criminal syndicate, with the USA as capo dei capi). The USSR was fine with that, while the USA went into full, degenerate gangster mode; USSR (then, like Russia now) only got involved in Syria after the Syrian government asked for assistance. All credit and respect to Bashar Assad and the SAA for having managed to keep the one oldest states on the planet together in the face of enormous adversity.

Additionally, I saw on southfront (many thanks to knighthawk on the UKR thread for posting the new .press domain) that air to air encounters over Syria are becoming more frequent and aggressive. It is way past time for this international criminal syndicate to be put down; left unchecked, the future of humanity is bleak.

Thanks again, b and everyone.

Posted by: robjira | Aug 18 2023 18:37 utc | 28

If you have friends like the USA, you don't need enemies.

But the Poles would like to take Germany's place and think this is geo-politically beneficial to their ambitions.
Saddam was also first a U.S. "bastard," then dead.
But that's what happens to tools.
Those who claim U.S. "support" will fall when that support is withdrawn.
Kiev's regime is supported only by illusions.
Already the PR machine is running, trying to create the impression that the US, etc. will do whatever it takes to win.
Kiev gets the buck and is denounced for incompetence, corruption, etc.
I suspect when Russia completes SMO there will be no more extremist enclaves a la Syria. AZOW- Nazi and co. remnants will emigrate to USA etc.
What will happen in Germany then? Double standards or will the anti-discrimination law be applied?
We will soon find out.

Posted by: 600w | Aug 18 2023 18:37 utc | 29

@25
Another profound decision no doubt from the illustrious US government funded think tanks. https://folkpotpourri.com/thanks-to-tanks-of-thought/ Those academicians probably struck gold with such a notion of lunar sanctions. Look out Mars - you'll be next.

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Aug 18 2023 18:55 utc | 30

On the bright side... at least we WON in Grenada... and it stayed won. - Retaining_H20

I'm not so sure that a state-of-the-art US invasion force of nearly 8,000+ troops plus a small Naval battle group (including an aircraft carrier) rick-rolling perhaps 2,000 under-equipped Grenadan and Cuban troops is exactly a 'win' to crow about, though. Also, it's worth noting that of the 24 civilians lost during the invasion, 18 were killed when the US bombed a mental hospital.

But, hey, Reagan needed a win to get the public's attention away from the Embassy fiasco a few years prior- and the more eyes on steamrolling Grenada, the less eyes to look at the shady deals his administration was making. He got his win, but Iran-Contra would see the light of day anyway in short order.

Posted by: John S | Aug 18 2023 19:03 utc | 31

"One wonders how long it will take until the U.S. will sanction the fascists militia it has and is now arming and sponsoring in Ukraine."

That won't take long. The writing is on the wall. Ukrainian refugees in the EU would tell you that the honey-moon is over for them in their host countries. It's not going to take too long before reparating Ukrainians becomes a political meme in the West. And with that the West would abandon them as calously as they are now getting them killed for nothing.

Posted by: Steve | Aug 18 2023 19:30 utc | 32

Jeepers another American ally betrayed, used and discarded. Hardly new I wonder why anyone believes the US government about anything.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 18 2023 19:35 utc | 33

" Spokesperson Zakharova --
"[T]he Russian Federation will do everything possible so that not a single Nazi butcher evades just retribution for the crimes they have committed"

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Aug 18 2023 16:00 utc | 5 "


Thats nice, but when will Russia make a statement like that about the " butchers " in the US ?

Posted by: Shocked | Aug 18 2023 19:45 utc | 34

re: Elijah J. Magnier @ejmalrai -Do you remember when the #US spent $500 million to train/arm Al-Hamza Division?

abc, Sep 16, 2015
US has trained only 'four or five' Syrian fighters against Isis, top general testifies

General Lloyd Austin, the commander of U.S. Central Command [now SecDef] leading the war on ISIS, told Congress today that only "four or five" of the first 54 U.S. trained moderate Syrian fighters remain in the fight against ISIS.
Austin told the panel that goal was not going to be met and that options are being explored about how to retool the program which was intended to train moderate Syrian rebels to fight ISIS. So far, $42 million has been spent to develop the $500 million program which began training in April.
Senators appear incredulous and call for a new plan after hearing news that US military’s $500m effort has resulted in training of only a handful of fighters
. . .Committee chairman Sen. John McCain (R-Arizona) said that in his thirty years on the committee “I have never heard testimony like this. ... Never." . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 18 2023 19:51 utc | 35

" CIA was handing out TOW anti-tank missiles to 'moderate rebel' groups "

As I recall the US couldn't ship TOW's directly to their jihadists due to US law which prevented it, so they sold $1 billion worth of what were then old generation systems to Saudi Arabia who then sent them to their mates in Syria. The first result was Syrian government loss of control in Idlib where the AlQaeda off shoot HTS holds power backed by Erdogan.

Wonder which 'Rule' in the Rules Based Order Book they used to accomplish that?


Curious MSM story appeared yesterday which made me think about related issues and possible implications. I see BDK #9 already mentioned it. The lack of truthful historical context in that article too was striking, but the truth wouldn't serve the agenda.

" Captagon — a cheap party drug that has fuelled the rave scenes in Gulf countries like Saudi Arabia — may now make its way into Europe, fuelling widespread concerns.

Known as the "drug of jihad" or "poor man's cocaine". Recently read about supply of heroin to Europe drying up due to Taliban's effective eradication of opium production and some squealing about consequences. In just one year mind you. Some people worried about supply control?

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/poor-mans-cocaine-why-this-3-drug-has-sparked-worry-in-europe/ar-AA1foiCZ

Don't usually engage in speculation but this is within the wheelhouse of the characters involved here. Lots of potential quid pro quo and Erdogan gets what he thinks he was entitled to and unfairly denied by Washington. An expansion of influence and territorial control backed by the West. Plus bragging rights at home. Washington gets to poke it's old Gulf allies in the eye. Didn't they know Washington wasn't finished with Syria yet? The scent of the Yinon plan continues to waft through the region as well.

Hypothesis: US cooks up deal with Erdogan but first need to tidy up some jihadists who would sully the image of their new entity and it's 'good rebels'. Next declare Syria a Narco state so they could then recognize a designated group within Erdogan's field of influence as the 'legitimate' government of Syria complete with it's own territory. Maybe Juan Guido would be available for the position of President? Having already burned through Citgo's money and dumped by his former backers like yesterday's trash, maybe he needs a new gig?

Posted by: bubbles | Aug 18 2023 19:55 utc | 36

The criteria are simple. When the terrorists do our bidding and destabilise those whom we don’t like, they become good terrorists and we support them. When they go against our interests, they become bad terrorists and go on our naughty list.

Posted by: Moses22 | Aug 18 2023 15:46 utc | 3

It is not THAT simple. Violent groups have their agendas, and all to often, hate each other while promoting themselves to sponsors to get support. My private term is "pet cobras". It is OK if "destabilization" is the only goal, but the Empire pursues "control" and gets entangled in unsolvable side conflicts.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 18 2023 19:58 utc | 37

I think this piece is a bit sensationalist in its sentiment. It is difficult to work out who are the terrorists and who are the freedom fighters striving to [impose] a "democracy". I think we should give all the three letter agencies a bit of a break and let them arm whom they want. It is non-discriminatory and certainly reduces humanity's carbon footprint by removing a good deal of us from planet earth. And if you make a mistake it is acting like an adult to admit it, by [quietly] sanctioning them. I really can't see why this is news..

Posted by: marcjf | Aug 18 2023 20:29 utc | 38

Always plenty of room at the front for new corpses.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/7230

🥷 Ukrainians recruit terrorists in Syria to fight Russia

A Kiev-regime backed initiative seeks to recruit Jihadists and Islamic radicals to fight against Russia in Syria. Zelensky seems to extend his helping hand to virtually anyone opposing Russia.

Jihadi verses included, this is a Ukrainian-made video recruiting Syrian militants against Russia.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 18 2023 20:30 utc | 39

Political Islam is the acquisition of a little bit of power from an alliance with your enemy in exchange for your enemy destroying your entire country, its peoples and cultures.

Obviously your enemy can't suddenly withdraw your wigwams and totem poles because that would scare the horses.

Erdogan has clearly done a new deal with the US in order to restore domestic solvency. These Hamza Islamists are going to get in the way of whatever evil scheme Erdogan has agreed to.some of them will be brought in house as per Wagner in Ukraine, and others will be sent to Myanmar to rape Muslim women and dobregime change.

If the US says it's sanctioning them, that's double think for giving them new tasks and a paynrise.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 18 2023 20:35 utc | 40

There have been unsubstantiated rumors that the US might like to leave Syria and Iraq. I would think they are angry at Netanyahu and fighting jihadists in Iraq seems like a waste of time.

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 18 2023 20:43 utc | 41

I should think that when the fourth iteration of the AFU - consisting of a motley mixture of high school students, women of draft age, refugees forcibly repatriated from EU nations that initially welcomed them, and volunteers from the Ukrainian diaspora in North America - is wiped out by Russian artillery, and Ukraine collapses as a state, with Poland helping itself to several oblasts in western and north-central Ukraine, only then will the US, the EU and NATO discover the Nazi militia nightmare in waiting.

By then, it will be too late to sanction these Nazi militias: some of them will already have close ties with the military and security establishments in these countries anyway. These militias could challenge sanctions against them not only through direct violence but through the legal systems in EU nations, and win by threatening to expose or blackmail the politicians and security agencies who support them.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Aug 18 2023 20:44 utc | 42

Here is an informative piece from The GrayZone showing how close Zelensky is to the Ne-Nazi's of Ukraine. Who is ghe real boss? Zelensky or Biletsky?

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/08/16/zelensky-ukraines-notorious-neo-nazi/

Posted by: Richard L | Aug 18 2023 20:53 utc | 43

Just in case anyone still thinks different Obama was the shit sandwich and McCain the turd burger both emissions of the same stinking arsehole that is the love child of the bastards Bush and Clinton CIA old boys and girls. Americans have never been their National Interest.

Got it, thanks again b, for showing they hide in plain sight, the real enemies of humanity.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 18 2023 21:16 utc | 44

Marcif 37

If rhe sponsor has no interest in democracy its unlikely the sponsoree wants it either.

In the Kurdish region of Iraq, the Islamists negotiate with the pimps in power about how many seats they will be allocated in the fake elections.

Political correctness has disappeared from the internet Steve Bell's cartoon of David Cameron slamming a dead cat on a table in a room full of moderately mad Mullahs .

It was too true for comfort for the second hand car salesman who came to power by stealing votes for the liberals, and too true for comfort for the Islamist pimps who sold Iraq for a miserable worldly gain.

The significance of this Hamza story is that Ukraine has tied Putin down and FUKUSIS wants to distract him in Syria. All these trolls moaning about
Slomos want Putin to get bogged down in Ukraine and take his eye off the ball in Syria.

While the Islamists are in London and Istanbul buying property from their criminal activities, they take instructions for their next Islamist tasks in the ongoing USUKIS war against Islam.
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Posted by: Giyane | Aug 18 2023 21:19 utc | 45

Everything changed in my thinking when it became apparent that Assad's regime was the only one offering any safety to Christians in Syria. My thinking also started coming more into focus when after "liberating" Afghanistan we were perfectly happy to have them come up with a constitution where apostasy remained a punishable crime. We were told that the US didn't invade to interfere in peoples lives ?

Ditto in Iraq. When Tommy Franks was asked (just before the start of the invasion), what were his plans for after when the Iraqi Army was defeated, he said essentially, "I have no plans, it's not my department". It was then I realized that the highest authorities in the US have no idea what they are doing.

All large institutions are basically artificial intelligences and essentially alien beings with humans acting only as discrete, non-critical nodes. No nation, no empire is righteous, but many times in history, empires have on balance, been forces for good or at least more order than disorder. Sadly and distressingly, we have to admit that is no longer true for the American empire.

Posted by: danf51 | Aug 18 2023 21:21 utc | 46

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 18 2023 20:43 utc | 40

My reading is the US is doubling down with deployments to Yemen, Syria, the Persian Gulf (marines on board civilian tankers) and Africa.

I suspect the US factored in Russia being too tied down with 404 and potential "coalition of the stupid" to intervene in RoW. Plus, these uppity natives need to be put in place.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 18 2023 21:33 utc | 47

mBDK | Aug 18 2023 17:48 utc | 19
***... main thrust of the article was to keep repeating and reminding that "The Assad Regime" is the Primary world manufacturer and distributor of Captigon.. ***

So, yet another NATO projection of its own misdeeds....

Back in 2014/15 it was reported that captagon was very much used by IS (US sponsored terrorists) in Syria, and they had a factory producing it in north-east Lebanon.
Seems the Saudis (also enemies of the Syrian government) were at that time also major customers for whatever purposes of their own.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 18 2023 21:39 utc | 48

Ozark Grandpa #11

A somewhat decent attempt at satire and then
"...that rocket does a 360 and comes back..."

There's no hope left.

Posted by: MoaMetal | Aug 18 2023 21:51 utc | 49

danf51 | Aug 18 2023 21:21 utc | 45
*** Everything changed in my thinking when it became apparent that Assad's regime was the only one offering any safety to Christians in Syria.***

About a decade ago, in areas not under the control and protection of the Damascus government, Christians would have been exterminated by IS and various of (then UK PM) Cameron's allegedly "moderate" jihadists, had the Christians not been rescued by Hezbollah (which of course got no thanks at all from the *allegedly* Christian USA and its vassals for having done so).

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 18 2023 21:53 utc | 50

" if "destabilization" is the only goal, but the Empire pursues "control" and gets entangled in unsolvable side conflicts."

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 18 2023 19:58 utc | 36


" what a tangled web we weave/When first we practice to deceive"

Sir Walter Scott, first published in 1808

" means that when you lie or act dishonestly you are initiating problems and a domino structure of complications which eventually run out of control."

https://nosweatshakespeare.com/quotes/famous/oh-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave/

Posted by: bubbles | Aug 18 2023 22:06 utc | 51

The poor Syrians have been living under a brutal dictatorship for over 50 years, first by Assad's father Hafez and then for the last 20 years by him and his family. They got close to getting rid of them during the Arab Spring but after vicious suppression the rebellion become overwhelmed by the rise of the Jihadis. The protesters had the chance of freedom but Assad paid them back by destroying Syrian cities, mass killing civilians and driving millions out of the country.

Posted by: ray | Aug 18 2023 22:18 utc | 52

ray | Aug 18 2023 22:18 utc | 51....

Very inferior botting, even by US/UK Establishment standards.
Apply for a re-training course.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 18 2023 22:23 utc | 53

Syria: Putin ended the bloodshed Biden started … spreading terror conform the Brzezinski-Albright doctrine.

The overthrow of Gaddafi and the spread of jihadist fighters and arms trafficking across the Sahel and Sub-Sahara countries. The Tuareg were soldiers salaried in Gaddafi’s armed forces … in 2011 they moved out to their historic lands in Mali and Niger. Boko Harem got their heavy weapons and strengthened their force in Northern Nigeria. Common factor: get rid of Western influence especially the colonial masters France and America. Making the continent insecure.

Sudan? Trump and Kushner sold the Abraham Accords and Israel moved in. overthrew the sitting government … masses demonstrated, wanted the military junta out. The UAE and Israel supported the coup d’état.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 18 2023 22:28 utc | 54

Is Ukraine watching how DC works with this example? Nawwww, itll be different this time....

Posted by: Cyclingnut | Aug 18 2023 22:29 utc | 55

Posted by: marcjf | Aug 18 2023 20:29 utc | 37

Tongue in cheek I presume. Have you considered a career in the seedy back rooms of America's dark comedy venues? That's not a criticism, your brief post was provocative.

Anyone who is unaware of why Assad's Alawites were and are in power in Syria should spend a bit of time reading the history of how that came to be. It was basically about the failures of the larger tribes / political, economic entities to make progress for the good of the country due to cronyism so they decided to choose the smallest faction to curb the destructive competition between the larger factions. Naturally, not everyone agreed thus opening an opportunity for those who prey on division.

As another contributor said, Assad's government protected Christians, including the Armenian heritage Christians largely concentrated in the Aleppo area. Many of those people fought on the governments side. Which is understandable given America, it's boss man and the uber rich Gulf Monarchs were backing those who would do bad things to them and their loved ones.

A confession of sorts came from an unlikely source; US General Wesley Clark. Expect you've all seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KkNAQIuGZY

Posted by: bubbles | Aug 18 2023 22:46 utc | 56

Posted by: ray | Aug 18 2023 22:18 utc | 51

###########

Did you copy/paste that right out of the manual?

Kinda surprised you didn't bring up the atrocities against the "White Helmets".

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 18 2023 23:21 utc | 57

How long are we seriously going to write stories about imperial double-standards? What b discusses here is in fact Empire 101—everyone has done it. Herodotus, Thucydides and Xenophon give numerous examples of Persian satraps fighting each other via Greek proxies, the Romans did it (boy how they did it—the Jugurthine War, hello!), and the dustbin of history is full of tinpot empires who armed this group or that to the point they could no longer remember. I'd hazard the guess that the CIA don't keep track of who or what their assets are. They're just content that there's generalised chaos (i.e., Libya). That said, it's difficult to know what to write about these days. I've lost interest in everything.

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 18 2023 23:28 utc | 58

Patroklos | Aug 18 2023 23:28 utc | 57

I share your ennui Patroklos. But we must strive to improve for the sake of future generations. I think the point is that we are supposed to evolve into something better. Well we do have better technology but that's about it. :)

Posted by: dh | Aug 18 2023 23:52 utc | 59

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 18 2023 23:28 utc |

Well, we are in a different freer age now. Just because it was common place in the barbarous times of old, doesn't mean it's acceptable now.

People have risen in that time from chattel to serfs to modern workers. Their expectations of freedom and transparency have grown correspondingly.

May we always strive for the better!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 18 2023 23:53 utc | 60

"What b discusses here is in fact Empire 101—everyone has done it. Herodotus, Thucydides and Xenophon give numerous examples of Persian satraps fighting each other via Greek proxies, the Romans did it"

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 18 2023 23:28 utc | 57

It's 2023, our leaders say they are civilized people now, engaged in civilized causes and behaviour. To back that up, they say there's a 'rules based order'. I expect they would be aghast at any comparison between them, being so enlightened as they profess to be, to some many ancient entities who engaged in such things as to the victor goes the spoils.

Posted by: bubbles | Aug 19 2023 0:03 utc | 61

bubbles | Aug 19 2023 0:03 utc | 60

Social engineering has certainly improved. But is civilization more than skin deep? I think people would still pay to watch gladiators and public executions. I can see the guillotine being quite popular with a few MOA reader.

Posted by: dh | Aug 19 2023 0:34 utc | 62

Posted by: dh | Aug 19 2023 0:34 utc | 61

Indeed dh. You captured the essence of so much with a few words.

Long ago I realized the wisest things I've heard in my life were said with few words. A gift a small percentage of people have.

Posted by: bubbles | Aug 19 2023 0:52 utc | 63

@Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 18 2023 23:53 utc | 59

Well, we are in a different freer age now.

Nah mate. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

It is otherwise a colossal conceit to regard our epoch as exceptional. If anything Marx demonstrated that domination and exploitation has just become more refined, more concealed and more sinister—and more effective—than the direct coercion of old. At least the serf and slave knew the score. The modern worker is that ruling elite ideal: the slave who thinks he's free.

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 19 2023 0:59 utc | 64

Great summary of the historical implications on the current struggles. Niger, Syria, Ukraine, Afghanistan and indeed Serbia (Kosovo), we’re and are, all pipeline (respires) wars. The book “confessions of an economic hit man” details the intricacies I’d the destabilizations efforts of the MIC well. All these conflicts can be seen as an effort to control gas and oil pipelines.

Employing easily manipulated young men to pick up weapons to facilitate dissension is easy. Provide hate and women to take pleasure with and your army is ready.

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Aug 19 2023 1:29 utc | 65

Guess I coulda/shoulda proof read that post!

Great summary of the historical implications on the current struggles. Niger, Syria, Ukraine, Afghanistan and indeed Serbia (Kosovo), were and are, all pipeline (resource) wars. The book “confessions of an economic hit man” details the intricacies of the destabilizations efforts of the MIC well. All these conflicts can be seen as an effort to control gas and oil pipelines.

Employing easily manipulated young men to pick up weapons to facilitate dissension is easy. Provide hate, and women to take pleasure with, and your army is ready.

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Aug 19 2023 1:33 utc | 66

No one can accuse murica of being smart.

Posted by: nook | Aug 19 2023 1:36 utc | 67

Marcjf @ 37:

I'm sure though hat you would like your taxes and other people's tax money put to better uses than funding terrorist groups in overseas countries in the guise of "humanitarian aid".

:-)

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Aug 19 2023 2:38 utc | 68

I remember these “moderate terrorists “ well. Firstly for when they beheaded a child on the back of a pickup truck in Aleppo , and secondly for when a very embarrassed US said it would punish the men who did it. Washington-Man speak with forked tongue and have black heart.

Posted by: Wondrous | Aug 19 2023 4:14 utc | 69


I hope I'm being far too cynical however amerika's decision to crank up trouble in Syria again stuck out like dog's balls for many of us knowing one can never be too cynical about amerika. I've been waiting for 'issues' amerika had to involve itself in 'to protect amerika's interests' since the beginning of last year when the RF launched what began as a pretty mild incursion into Ukraine necessary to protect Russian speaking ukie citizens.
As some may remember I and a few others have expressed concern over the lack of coverage of myriad conflicts in the last couple of decades. Most of those conflicts have been disputes between one western corporation and another over which of them has the right to steal resources in a particular area but they have also included with increasing frequency the attempts by an African nation to establish sovereign control over its land, political system & resources, the latter instances being easily identifiable when one of the african big three ie FukUS announcing that they are fighting to protect their national interests. More and more often it is some amerikan functionary expressing that need to protect their interests.

Now initially in regard to Niger it was france who claimed national interests, then a day or two later amerika made a similar announcement - nuland I believe, now she ought to be far too busy working on the mess she has made of Ukraine than hopping into West Africa, unless what she was attempting in West Africa is in it's own way an attempt to ameliorate some of the damage incurred by the mess amerika has made in ukraine.
That is where the issue of cynicism comes in because the 'trouble down at Niger uranium mill' is such a wedge issue because suddenly it has become much more important for senior Nato member france to grab Niger's uranium back than anything that could occur in ukraine short of a nuclear war.

amerika has to help france there through africom and ecowas otherwise france's participation in the ukie affair could cease and without france to lean on / 'assist' germany to see the necessity of continuing RF sanctions.

In fact the trouble in Niger is such a great wedge issue that a cynic may think that a really bright spark such as Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov deliberately created the circumstances, while the rest of us believe that Lavrov & Russia lack the inhumanity to attempt such as thing. No matter which way the Niger trouble goes it seems that many Nigeriens will likely die.

I've never heard President Putin or Minister Lavrov say that they are doing something such as getting involved in a foreign war out of 'protecting Russia's interests'. eg Russia stayed out of Syria until President Assad the internationally recognised leader of Syria, asked Russia for assistance - even though it was in Russia's interest that Syria not get 'balkanised'.

Why what does announcing you are protecting for example, amerikan interests in Erewon, actually mean?
Well once the cliche is stripped back to plain meaning it doesn't fly past the bat into the catcher's mitt nearly so easily because any pol/functionary who says that is basically saying that in order for some amerika based corporation to continue to make money from purloining foreign nation Erewon's resources, he/she the functionary/pol has decided that many of the citizens of Erewon are going to be killed and maimed by amerika, in fact there is a chance some amerikans will also die, be maimed as well.

When it is put as baldly as that it is likely that even in amerika where the indoctrination is so continual and ubiquitous, many amerikans will conclude this is something they cannot support. Hence the smarmy 'protecting amerika's interest' claim.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 19 2023 4:22 utc | 70

the Israeli term is mowing the grass. They allow resistance groups to exist and grow and every few years trim them back to size. They get to watch listen and influence them in between. USA proxy terror groups are the same. They only exist on the hand outs and every few years they are throw away as the bad guys. lets not forget the grants from NED. a sure fire way to pinpoint who is kept on slow burn for when its their time to shine

Posted by: hankster | Aug 19 2023 4:33 utc | 71

It is otherwise a colossal conceit to regard our epoch as exceptional

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 19 2023 0:59 utc | 63

Then not only am I conceited, but I hope many others are too. I think every epoch has an exceptional character.

Slave, serf and worker are all forms of forced labor, but each allows the laborer progressively more freedom.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2023 5:18 utc | 72

Just typical thug logic: Did you accomplish what I wanted? If yes, do more now, for free, and give me my cut. If no, you owe me money, I never met you, and I'll liquidate you to 'remove the evidence' the moment you look away.

Then keep up brinksmanship with as many proxies and cat's paws as you can against everyone not completely under your thrall. There are no allies, just pawns, and pawns-to-be. Peace is merely a delay in overt hostilities.

America's been using thug logic for a very long time now. We are a sadly predictable country if you can understand a psychopath's thinking. There is nothing to negotiate with in such thuggish behavior like that. Might only understands might, like a beast, and everyone else are mere objects.

You'd have to be a fool to believe Empire in anything.

Posted by: titmouse | Aug 19 2023 5:20 utc | 73

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 18 2023 20:35 utc | 39

The only thing preventing those Hamza guys ending up as souvenir photos in Prigozhin’s man cave is a nod from Putin. I get that Putin’s courting Erdogan but surely a demonstration would help to encourage a modicum of good faith? Plus, Wagner are a tool best kept in constant use … a work-hardening alloy.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 19 2023 5:33 utc | 74

MoaMetal @ 48

I blame Baerbock.

Ozark Grandpa @ 11

I heard the plan is to install Victoria Nuland as ambassador to the Moon. Trump will send her there in early 2025 in a SpaceX Starship kitted out as a US embassy, complete with autonomous autocannon to keep the yellow peril at bay and a 4 year supply of cookies to tide her over until the next administration sends her replacement.

They've got form for such a crazy plan.

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Aug 19 2023 5:43 utc | 75

Posted by: hankster | Aug 19 2023 4:33 utc | 70

the Israeli term is mowing the grass. They allow resistance groups to exist and grow and every few years trim them back to size...
My impression here is that the grass being mowed is the nation of Syria as whole and the resistance groups are a means to that end. I don't think that's about to change.

Like titmouse suggests at 5:20 utc | 72, this recent pressure on a particular group and individuals could simply be an easy way for the US to manage its foreign legions. Perhaps some people are going soft and need some encouragement? Again, changing the blades on the mower doesn't necessarily mean anyone is abandoning the project.

Posted by: robin | Aug 19 2023 6:43 utc | 76

Since 9-11, America and its allies in the self-styled "Free World" claim they have been leading the world in a morally righteous War on Terrorism in retaliation for 9-11.

All the while, America and its allies in the "Free World" (like the British), have been arming, bankrolling, and sponsoring jihadi terrorist groups not only in Syria but in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and beyond.

This demonstrates that the Anglo-American "War on Terrorism" is bogus to the core.

It also raises questions as to whether the Americans and British were actually guilty of "terrorist" assaults like the 9-11 WTC/Pentagon attack or the 7-7 London subway bombing.

Most importantly, it raises an issue that is a veritable Thought Crime in the Anglosphere: the United States of America--which always insists that it is the leader of the Free World--is actually the world's leader in state terrorism.

Former Afghan President Karzai Calls Islamic State 'Tool' of US
https://www.voanews.com/a/former-afghan-president-hamid-karzai-callms-islamic-state-tool-us/3817463.html

Posted by: ak74 | Aug 19 2023 7:02 utc | 77

Debsisdead | Aug 19 2023 4:22 utc | 69

amerika has to help france there through africom and ecowas otherwise france's participation in the ukie affair could cease and without france to lean on / 'assist' germany to see the necessity of continuing RF sanctions

Or maybe you have it all assbackwards.

Professor Michel Chossudovsky has a somewhat different take...

https://www.globalresearch.ca/divide-and-rule-italys-pm-giorgia-meloni-is-bidens-political-asset-u-s-behind-niger-coup-detat-americas-hegemonic-wars-against-europe-and-africa/5828714


Link to Wikileaks

Posted by: john | Aug 19 2023 10:08 utc | 78

@48 Moametal
The 360 thing was signature Baerbock from some time ago, thus part of the satire.

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Aug 19 2023 11:11 utc | 79

Posted by: ray | Aug 18 2023 22:18 utc | 51

Go back and read some of MOA articles 6+ years ago. This was and still is a go to site for info on the middle east.
If I remember cprrectly, b had a article or link on a Canadian female journalist. She ended up taking on an university "think tank" group. (Laval U?)
She had toured Syria, lived it, and one of the comments she stated towards that group. "Assad is loved by his people."
If you are looking for answers best you get from people living it. (Do not "chat" MSM talking points as they tend to show ignorance in ones understanding of the situation.)

As one says.. "from the Horses mouth" and if you can't hear it from the Horse, go and live a little.. "graze in its pasture."

Posted by: heavymetal101 | Aug 19 2023 11:32 utc | 80

Posted by: BDK | Aug 18 2023 17:48 utc | 19

Yea in a world where China produces most of the pharmaceutical,
Syria out of nowhere, now is producing the "next Super Duper additive drug". (Move over Sacklers, we have a new king in town.)
A country full of sanctions and covered by a watchful eye, all of the sudden have the resources and industry to mass produce?
The IDF must have falling asleep on this one. I bet next week they'll do what they do best.. bomb. Then be promoted as hero's for saving the "free world" from those evil drug toting Syrians.

Posted by: heavymetal101 | Aug 19 2023 12:09 utc | 81

Posted by: ak74 | Aug 19 2023 7:02 utc | 77

".….the United States of America--which always insists that it is the leader of the Free World--is actually the world's leader in state terrorism."

Correct.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2023 15:24 utc | 82

@Ozark Grandpa #78, @S.P. Korolev #74

Sorry... I should have known better.

Indeed, it does fit the Baerbock character, although it is a not so rare kind of "pearl", amongst politicians in general.

Posted by: MoaMetal | Aug 19 2023 15:32 utc | 83

@ Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 18 2023 18:01 utc | 23

I don’t know about that, but I heard from “very trustworthy” msm sources that he is a time traveler and gave birth to Hitler. When dealing in historic events, it doesn’t pay to listen to the histrionics.

I don’t think anyone believes in the Western bs any longer. I think even my capitalist brother is scratching his head.

As Stephan Hawking famously stated, “There is no evil, just greed and stupidity”.

Enjoy the show!

Posted by: Michael.j | Aug 19 2023 17:07 utc | 84

#US Prsdt @realDonaldTrump said the "PKK is far more dangerous than #ISIS (The Islamic State)".

And the scum armed them to invade eastern Syria and steal the oil. He armed them and let them burn Syria's northern wheat fields in an act of terrorism. They are occupying Syria's northern water supply.

They are Marxists who smuggle drugs to Europe and force children to become child soldiers. They kidnap Turkish businessmen and force the families to pay ransom. They force store owners to pay "protection money" and kill them with car bombs or throw hand grenades through windows if they don't pay. The Kurds also kill Turkish forest workers. And on and on.

Trump abandoned every election promise in order to curry favor with the Zionist Sheldon Adelson. The Jewish Zionists want Syria destroyed as the Syrians are pro-Palestinian and have Palestinian neighborhoods in Damascus. He said he was against the neocon wars and then loosened the Pentagon rules for bombings, causing more deaths. He carpet bombed Syrian and Iraqi towns and cities to defeat ISIS, and kept up the sanctions so the Syrians can't rebuild. He sanctioned Russia more than any of his predecessors so they can't help Syria rebuild, to show the leftist press "look, I'm not a Russian agent!" This is his modus operandi, sacrifice others to appease the media, which never works. He sacrificed the hero Julian Assange, who he could have pardoned for his non-crime of publishing classified material just like all the media do, in order to appease the neocons.

Posted by: Tenet | Aug 19 2023 21:10 utc | 85

Tenet | Aug 19 2023 21:10 utc | 85
(about the PKK) *** They are Marxists ***

Are they? Seen quite a lot of 'leftist' fantasising about some sort of left-wing Kurdish (unrecognised) state in the past ... but it would seem not to exist now -- *if* it ever really did.
In any case, they are now willing killer-puppets of the US-empire and monopoly-capitalism, which would surely be an ideological contradiction for real Marxists?

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 19 2023 21:35 utc | 86

Posted by: Tenet | Aug 19 2023 21:10 utc | 85

Trump aspired to be accepted by the New York elite. Out of earshot they called him 'a carnival barking clown.'

They say even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Political reality in the US is grotesque. Clintonian mafia vs. whatever the other side of the same coin can muster in a growth industry, the best government money can buy. A sad reality that can be measured by the growth of money poured into US elections by those seeking influence / control of the ginormous branches of the US government and it's outreach.

As I recall, from memory, the amount of money injected into the last Obama election cycle was $2 billion. Which was double the first time the Chocolate smoothy ran for President.

The amount spent in the last election farce was;

"Most expensive ever: 2020 election cost $14.4 billion"

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/02/2020-cycle-cost-14p4-billion-doubling-16/

Some democracy, some free enterprise.

Posted by: bubbles | Aug 19 2023 22:25 utc | 87

I should add the last part of my post was a twist of wording from Churchill, great orator that he was. He responded to Hitlers threat to wring Britain's neck like chicken.

"Some chicken, some neck".

Posted by: bubbles | Aug 19 2023 22:32 utc | 88

It's a matter of usefulness, of course. Groups that help meet goals (which is usually chaos threatening an 'enemy' government) are funded, groups that aren't following (today's) orders are cut.

But I think the US is so comfortable funding Nazis that it might never stop. US banks helped Nazis rise to power in the first place.

As long as there are communists, socialists, or other nationalists threatening to make alternatives to the rules.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Aug 20 2023 3:05 utc | 89

Posted by: ak74 | Aug 19 2023 7:02 utc | 77
".….the United States of America--which always insists that it is the leader of the Free World--is actually the world's leader in state terrorism."
Correct.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2023 15:24 utc | 82Posted by: ak74 | Aug 19 2023 7:02 utc | 77
".….the United States of America--which always insists that it is the leader of the Free World--is actually the world's leader in state terrorism."
Correct.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2023 15:24 utc | 82

Yep. Simple incredible fact is that the USA is at war with the whole world. Not the people of the USA. They are simply asleep, comatose. But the 'govt' if we can call it that.

At war with the whole wide world.

Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 21 2023 20:17 utc | 90

#US Prsdt @realDonaldTrump said the "PKK is far more dangerous than #ISIS (The Islamic State)".

And the scum armed them to invade eastern Syria and steal the oil. He armed them and let them burn Syria's northern wheat fields in an act of terrorism. They are occupying Syria's northern water supply.

They are Marxists who smuggle drugs to Europe and force children to become child soldiers. They kidnap Turkish businessmen and force the families to pay ransom. They force store owners to pay "protection money" and kill them with car bombs or throw hand grenades through windows if they don't pay. The Kurds also kill Turkish forest workers. And on and on.

Trump abandoned every election promise in order to curry favor with the Zionist Sheldon Adelson. The Jewish Zionists want Syria destroyed as the Syrians are pro-Palestinian and have Palestinian neighborhoods in Damascus. He said he was against the neocon wars and then loosened the Pentagon rules for bombings, causing more deaths. He carpet bombed Syrian and Iraqi towns and cities to defeat ISIS, and kept up the sanctions so the Syrians can't rebuild. He sanctioned Russia more than any of his predecessors so they can't help Syria rebuild, to show the leftist press "look, I'm not a Russian agent!" This is his modus operandi, sacrifice others to appease the media, which never works. He sacrificed the hero Julian Assange, who he could have pardoned for his non-crime of publishing classified material just like all the media do, in order to appease the neocons.

Posted by: Tenet | Aug 19 2023 21:10 utc | 85

Okay. I'll take your word for it. You've made up my mind. I'm down on Trump. No more time for him. Thanks. I'm kinda big on that Syria thing. It gets to me more than any of the others past and present. I don't know why. And Assange. That's gratuitous evil and it spreads all the way from the US evil govt down to the humblest little reporter in Aus (who's not doing a damn thing to help nor ever has ). A rottenness.


Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 21 2023 20:50 utc | 91

Posted by: Mr B | Aug 24 2023 23:24 utc | 164

Lets see. Ukr kills a young woman in russia by a bomb in her car.
Ukr kills a man in St. Petersburg by a bomb in a statue.
Ukr kills a truck driver and some unlucky by standers by a bomb in the truck drivers truck he did not know about.
Ukr bombs cities in russia with drones killing civilians.
So what do they all have in common? Ukr for one. Ukr has agents in russia. Bombs for another. Dont care about collateral damage.
Ukr is pissed at Prigo because he is responsible the loss of a city that z said would not be taken and is moving heaven and earth to try to retake no matter the cost.

Putin is known for (by the west media) targeted killings. He cares about collateral damage. He does not use explosives.

So its all decided. Putin killed Prigo by a bomb in his plane. He is the only one with motive and he disguised the fact by using the MO of Ukr. It all fits. Case closed.

Now i want to thank all the logically impaired for agreeing with me. I really do appreciate your stupidity.

Posted by: frkorz | Aug 25 2023 0:23 utc | 92

A nod from Putin is all that stands between the Hamza people and becoming souvenir photographs in Prigozhin's man cave. I appreciate that Putin is trying to woo Erdogan, but wouldn't a public show of support go a long way toward fostering even a semblance of trust? Wagner are a work-hardening alloy, therefore they are a tool that performs best when used coreball frequently.

Posted by: Victor Wolf | Sep 13 2023 6:43 utc | 93

A nod from Putin is all that stands between the Hamza people and becoming souvenir photographs in Prigozhin's man cave. I appreciate that Putin is trying to woo Erdogan, but wouldn't a public show of support go a long way toward fostering even a semblance of trust? Wagner are a work-hardening krunker alloy, therefore they are a tool that performs best when used frequently.

Posted by: Juan Brown | Sep 13 2023 6:50 utc | 94

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