Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 11, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: The End Of The Counteroffensive

Western media have finally change course. They are now admitting that the much promoted Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed. In fact, the acknowledge that it never had a chance to win in the first place.

The Hill, the Washington Post and CNN now agree that the Ukrainian army will never achieve its aims.

That makes it difficult for the Biden administration to get Congress approval for $24 billion in additional 'aid' to Ukraine. It does not make sense to pay for a cause that is evidently lost.

The Polish President Duda has also acknowledged that the counter-offensive has failed. Relations between Warsaw and Kiev have gotten worse and Polish interests will not allow for more support or active intervention.

Nothing has come from the 'peace conference' which Saudi Arabia arranged on Ukraine's behalf.

Despite the onslaught of bad news the Ukrainian army is still trying to take Russian positions in the south and east of Ukraine. But it simply does not have enough in men and material to break through the lines.

Even if they would manage to get a local breakthrough there are not enough reserves to push for the necessary follow up. Just one of the NATO trained brigades has still been held back. All others have been mauled in their various deployment zones.

In the northeast around Kupyansk the Russians have started their own offensive which has the Ukrainians on the run. Ukraine has ordered the evacuation of the area:

A mandatory evacuation has been ordered for the Ukrainian city of Kupyansk and its surrounding areas, as Russia intensified shelling of Ukraine’s northeastern Kharkiv region and claimed to have captured Ukrainian positions near the city on Thursday.

But Kupyansk is a Russian city and people refuse to leave.

The Russian campaign is slowly speeding up. As the Ukrainian Strana.news reports (machine translation):

Also in Ukraine, it is recorded that from Kupyansk to Bakhmut, Russia has increased the number of attacks.

"Over the past month, the total number of attacks in the Kupyansk, Limansky and Bakhmut directions has grown significantly. In July, during the week there were 6-6.5 thousand attacks, during the last week-9 thousand attacks, " – said the representative of the National Guard Ruslan Muzychuk.

According to him, the Russian Federation does not experience "shell hunger".

Aviation is also actively used, and over the past few weeks, more than 50 air attacks have been taking place every day, and sometimes more than 80.

That is bad news for the Ukrainian side which lacks the reserves to counter the Russian onslaught. There are also less weapons coming in from the West. F-16 fighter jets will be delayed for another nine months due to training issues. Tanks and other material are in short supply.

Strana also report of an interview with a knowledgeable Ukrainian soldier (machine translation):

Continuing the topic of the situation at the front, an interesting interview was given by a Ukrainian sniper fighting near Bakhmut with the call sign "Grandfather". On the air of political scientist Yuri Romanenko, he was introduced as Konstantin Proshinsky (this is a pseudonym).

The fighter spoke in detail about his vision of the situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Russian army.

1. Mobilization. In his opinion, it is conducted incorrectly. Recruits are sent to the front who have never been trained, and they are often over 50 years old and with a whole bunch of diseases.

2. No rotation. The soldier says that "the same brigades" are fighting at the front, and people are not taken out of the front line for six months or more. Whereas by Western standards, they can be kept in a war zone for no more than three months.

3. Behavior of mid-and high-level commanders. According to Proshinsky, many of them are trying to arrange a "mini-Stalingrad" on the positions, forcing them to go into frontal assaults on well-fortified Russian positions.

4. The Russian Army began to fight better.

5. Proshinsky believes that Russia has not yet used much of what it has against Ukraine.

The soldier thinks that the Russians will not move from their positions and that a stalemate peace like in Korea would be the end result.

I believe that to be wrong. Russia's aim is to liberate at least the four regions that it has claimed for itself. For political reasons it can not stop before that is done.

Should the Ukraine continue to fight after that, Russia is likely to set new aims and take more land.

Comments

Posted by: Lex | Aug 13 2023 3:13 utc | 401
Excellent comment and on the nail. I’m sometimes quite surprised by how easily some folks around here are led astray on the basis of simple linguistics. White does not equal white does not equal white. There are many uses of the word.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 13 2023 3:56 utc | 401

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2023 3:54 utc | 402
(part of my degree was in African religious/social structures)
Really. Please do expound. What “part” and which “degree” (and if you’re not uncomfortable sharing, from where)?
African religious and social structures sounds like a fascinating subject. And yet you don’t seem to have a very open mind to the advanced nature of those things or the indigenous peoples of the “New World.”
I’m genuinely curious.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 13 2023 3:58 utc | 402

The hilarious thing to me about “woke” or “Woke” is that it’s basically exactly the same as being “red-pilled” to the lies of What.Is.America.
Wake up, Coppertops. Or keep on enjoying that nice, juicy, ahistorical steak dinner.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 13 2023 4:01 utc | 403

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2023 3:54 utc | 402
But how many African/Arab nations utilized the slave trade (or chattel slavery) in such a manner as to establish a place in the top 2 economies of the pre-WWI world?
Or let’s say top 5.
Now what’s the difference between all of the top 5?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 13 2023 4:03 utc | 404

Posted by: Lex | Aug 13 2023 3:13 utc | 401
Hitler reasoned in terms of Aryan/Aryanism, not White/Whitness. This comment is antihistorical.

Posted by: Alberto | Aug 13 2023 5:11 utc | 405

The term white (or White) has a number of connotations. But whiteness is everywhere and always a racial slur. Assess accordingly.

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Aug 13 2023 5:29 utc | 406

I think a poster of our favourite president with the caption “Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin – making whitemen proud again!” is something I need to have up on a wall at home.

Posted by: Ново З | Aug 13 2023 5:56 utc | 407

Nobody is likely to read this thread this far, but I’ll throw my wisdom into the wind anyway. “Race” is a null concept. Both American Indian tribes and Jewish tribes consider only the mother’s “race.” Do you ever really know who sired a child? “The baby follows the belly.” The child’s social status was the status of the mother’s husband, or mother’s father if she wasn’t married
In the US, if the mother was a slave, then so was the child, regardless of the tint of the skin. I have evidence that my maternal line is Cherokee, but I’m male, so it ends with me.
My ancestors who came over on the Mayflower didn’t come to rape and pillage; they were escaping religious pursecution in Europe. They partnered with the Indians, who taught them how to survive their winter. The First Thanksgiving Feast was thrown to thank the Indians. A chapter of the Hebrew Bible was read at it. The word “Turkey” is a transliteration from Hebrew for “India, (the country,) Bird.”
I went to Highschool in the Deep South in the 1970’s. Both Blacks and Whites had Rebel Flag stickers on their books. Everybody watched “Dukes of Hazard.” It wasn’t about “race.”
Gangus Khan was a capitalist. If any city would agree to maintain the roads and keep them free of hiwaymen, Kahn would reward them. He would build them whatever public buildings they wanted.
Russians are descendants of the capitalistic Vikings. TV shows Viking conquest, but doesn’t show that their culture was highly capitalistic.

Posted by: barstool | Aug 13 2023 6:09 utc | 408

Scott Ritter is known for flip flopping on views and at one time released a video about how the Russia would not be able to respond to the wunderwaffe, game changers being supplied and fold. There was speculation he was compromised, and not for the first time.
Scott, like McGregor, our host Bernard, The Saker and Baud are ex Mil who have spent the best years of their lives in the service of their country only to find it was a con. Making amends but not infallible, who is?
This was around the time all anti Narrative (or real facts) were being actively suppressed, people like former ambassador Craig Murray, blogs like MoA and The Saker were subjected to DDoS attacks, etc.
Some of us may remember Lira was dobbed in by Bellingcat journalist to the Ukrainians. So, I suspect the motive of anyone making claims he is pro narrative asset.
This race, DNA, woke, economic nonsenses belong in the OT section. I not sure where the Ego section is, but I’d recommend Substack.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 13 2023 6:26 utc | 409

Will Russia escalate? Does it need to? IMO, the answer to both is No. Looking at the battle map, IMO I see what Russia’s trying to do. Recall Eastern Front WW2 wasn’t constant battle; there were plenty of lulls. Russia has weight bearing downward from the Kharkov region and is using NZPP as a fulcrum. We shall see by August if I was correct.Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2023 5:08 utc | 259
Well, it looks like you were correct, Karlof1! Here we are in mid August and the Russians are breaking through around Kupyansk. Reminds me that I had written a blurb about that prior to July 8, but I can’t seem to find it in the search function – wish I could, but I did write this in response to the above:
“yup. I had written some weeks ago about Russia putting pressure on Kupyansk, which has implications for Kharkov, and threatening to split open the Ukrainian front by doing so. I can’t find it in the search function, but basically by taking Kupyansk, they’ll bypass the river, and threaten Kharkov from the south, eliminate the threat to Belgorod, as well as be able to roll south and clear out the threat to Donetsk from the rear; taking Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Pokrovsk, and cutoff Lyman. Posted by: Scuppers | Jul 8 2023 6:07 utc | 272

Posted by: Scuppers | Aug 13 2023 7:21 utc | 410

Ah!! found it. In answer to a poster above on page 1 or 2 of the comments, about the Russian advance on Kupyansk, and it’s implications, I offer the below thoughts…
Looks like the most efficient and cost-effective way to answer to AFU incursions on Belgorod border is by striking and advancing on Kupyansk front.
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 2 2023 18:46 utc | 34
I think it’s much more than that. If Russian forces move on and take Kupyansk, they by-pass the Oskiil River, and threaten Shevchenkova and Volovkhiv Yar, which if they take it, would cut the M03 Hwy, and cutoff Izyum, Slavyansk, and Kramatorsk, all while they’re being assaulted from the Bakhmut direction. The defense on the Oskiil would collapse, and likely Kramatorsk. That would free up most of the rest of Donbass, and allow them to assault Toretsk from the rear. That would relieve Gorlovka, finally. Additionally, they would threaten Kharkov. So I think that Kupyansk will be a big fight/should be a big fight.
Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 3 2023 6:15 utc | 132

Posted by: Scuppers | Aug 13 2023 7:34 utc | 411

Releasing big fish and Nazis also breaks the confidence of Russophiles who aren’t Russians. When you say you will try Nazis and mercenaries for warcrimes you should stick to it. Sure some strategic ambiguity or lying in war is necessary,but when making speeches you should say what you mean and mean what you say ,so that your enemy and supporters know what you are like. Best course in geopolitics is not tit for tat ,but “tit for tat with a bit of madman (liar) thrown in”.
Anyway, let us see how it all pans out.
Posted by: Wondrous | Aug 13 2023 0:04 utc | 390

There were rumors at the time that Azov members killed some Nato officers, and made them “unrecognizable” in Azovstal, once it was clear there was no escape. Obviously they would have gotten orders from Pentagon, since Azov is a de-facto US funded proxy group.
Recall that they have also done the same with dead foreign mercenaries, to cover up evidence of American citizens involvement in Ukraine, by means of decapitation.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 13 2023 8:01 utc | 412

Kupyansk – when is the assault?
Frontline report from journalist Marat Khairullin
August 12, 2023
Dear friends, once again I congratulate all of us on the capture of the village of Sinkovka near Kupyansk. And although the village itself is tiny – only three streets, nevertheless, it is a great success.
In this regard, hotheads are already predicting an imminent assault on Kupyansk.
However, in reality, the situation looks much more complicated: the prospect of an assault (if there is one at all – more on that below) is quite distant. It will be possible to talk about it not earlier than in a month, or even more. Why?
First, you need to keep in mind that everything that is happening today on a huge front (100 km + in a straight line) from Belogorovka (in the South) to Kupyansk (in the North) is a single strategic operation. I wrote about this in one of my previous posts.
Apparently, the purpose of this operation is to force the Oskol River in several places and capture strategically important large cities – Seversk, Kupyansk, Izyum, Krasny Liman. After that, the second part of the operation will begin, it is too early to talk about the specific directions of which, but it is obvious that Slavyansk and Kramatorsk will most likely be under attack.
Today we are witnessing how an important part of this huge strategic idea is developing – the elimination of the foothold of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the left bank of the Oskol River.
First, let me remind you, ours reached the following milestones:
Belogorovka (opposite Seversk) – entrenched, but did not storm. Belogorovka is the key to the advance on Seversk. (see Map 1);
Then we reached the line of the villages of Torskoye – Zarechnoye – this is a crossing over the Stallion, entrenched ourselves, but did not storm. This crossing is the key to the attack on Krasny Liman
These days, there is traffic from Raygorodok towards Borovoe – this is an important crossing over the Oskol River
After taking Novoselivka, movement continues towards Senkovo ​​(not to be confused with Sinkovka) – this is the next crossing over Oskol
And, finally, after the capture of Sinkovka in the Kupyansk region, the main movement of our troops is developing towards the village of Petropavlovka, located on the H-26 highway.
And from it to the last strategic crossing over the Oskol, beyond which Kupyansk immediately begins, is less than 5 kilometers. In other words, we take this crossing under firm fire control.
By the way, all the previous Oskol crossing points are already under our fire control.
The key point at this stage is just the exit to the village of Petropavlovka.
The village of Sinkovka is a classic roadside stretch. Ours took two streets, which are located on the right bank of the Gnilusha river. And now they are moving along the regional road towards Petropavlovka, at the same time completing the cleaning of the street, located on the left bank of the Gnilusha.
The capture of Petropavlovka and the crossing of the H-26 highway means that the Ukrainians have an important fortified area hanging along it, about 30 kilometers long to Novoselovka. In fact, the grouping located here (and this is more than 10 thousand people) falls into another cauldron.
That is, several important tasks are being solved at once, but in general, after taking all these bridges under fire control, the main part of the operation will begin – this is the elimination of the almost 70-kilometer bridgehead of the Ukrainians on the right bank of the Oskol. This is about 60 thousand heads.
Agree, everything looks very elegant and beautiful. Our General Staff is, of course, masters of their craft. And only after the elimination of this bridgehead it will be possible to talk about the assault on Kupyansk.
And here, by the way, it is not yet worth talking about the direction of the main blow.
Given that the game is played by virtuosos, we can only say one thing with certainty – this blow will be another surprise for the ukrov.
voenkorkhayrullin

Posted by: maratpost | Aug 13 2023 8:19 utc | 413

Look at this:
https://youtu.be/AW274f8s-ws?t=161
This man is completely fake. He is smiling at 2:41. Now guess about what he is speaking at that moment…
Otherwise he is on mirotvorest… and still alive after being through the hands of the sbu…
https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/lira-gonsalo/
Guess who the gestapo were releasing during French occupation after they have been arrested…
Being gullible does not help in case of war.

Posted by: libegafra | Aug 13 2023 8:21 utc | 414

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 12 2023 16:25 utc | 312
Please, share your scan, for the copy of that article on the wiki link is not readable.
I read Spanish.

Posted by: libegafra | Aug 13 2023 8:24 utc | 415

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 12 2023 16:31 utc | 315
See my comment above.

Posted by: libegafra | Aug 13 2023 8:25 utc | 416

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 12 2023 16:35 utc | 317
LOL. Suspicious, yes. Because you did not follow the links provided earlier. Do you know that a “text” presented between such marks is a quotation?
Always happy to educate others.

Posted by: libegafra | Aug 13 2023 8:30 utc | 417

Military summary:
-RU has abandoned Urozhaine ( at least northern half), AFU found also a way to use JDAM bombs
-AFU use chemical weapons in Robotyne
-RU accumulated lot of stuff SE of Piyatikhatki, maybe they plan an attack past it in Stepove direction
-RU is squeezing Novomikhaloivka from the north (Maryinka) and south
-AFU attacks in Klischevka and Andryivka direction slowed down again, presumably they forced to redeploy stuff to Lyman and Kupyansk
-RU reinforced Andryivka-Klischevka with several battalions
-Increased RU focus and bombing on Sporne
-AFU has deployed more artillery east of Kupyansk, which can support their defense in every direction (N/E)

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 13 2023 8:36 utc | 418

Military correspondent Dmitriy Steshin said in his Russian Tarantas telegram channel that the enemy used chemical weapons in the Zaporizhzhya direction.
Military correspondent Dmitry Steshin reported that in the vicinity of Rabotnoye/Orekhov fighters talk about a new provocation of the AFU. According to preliminary data, the enemy used chemical weapons.
In his telegram channel “Russian Tarantas” Steshin published part of the correspondence, where the fighters discuss the consequences of the attack. “The clothes are glowing,” one of the military men on the front line shared.
According to Steshin, it could be about the use of tear chemical agent by the AFU, which the Germans used on the Eastern Front.
“I, by the way, this poison sniffed and in addition to tears, snot and knocked down breathing, begins to twist the stomach. Loss of consciousness is easy, again from experience. Only milk in the eyes and fresh air helps, water does not wash out. It is not clear with the glow, I assume that the poison reacts to LED-lights, for example. Unfortunately, in the current situation near Rabotino, the poison may give the enemy some advantage,” the military correspondent added.

Posted by: Oberbayer | Aug 13 2023 8:45 utc | 419

Russia’s tactic is simple and effective.
They’ve built good positions, on a 1300 km front, short supply lines, easy to rotate troops, and plenty of various ammo. They just wait for the Ukraine to attack and lose their soldiers and Armour.
Some average day ends with 500 UKR soldiers dead, some good day with one 1,000 KIA. The WIA, MIA, deserters, prisoners, so on should be at least 2X the KIAs. So, the UKR army is bleeding 1,500 to 3,000 soldiers per day. This is an unsustainable number in the long run for Ukraine.
Thus, Russia has to continue doing the same for another year or so.

Posted by: Poison Frogs | Aug 13 2023 8:49 utc | 420

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 13 2023 3:58 utc | 404
I reveal very little about myself, like most posters who still have to work, for obvious reasons. Here, for example in the UK six police officers arrested an autistic teenager for simply making a comparison that was deemed a hate crime and a social worker was bared from apply for any new jobs for unthink during a ‘training’ session. So, I hope you appreciate the cagey reply, even typing these words makes me f’ing angry, as this used to be a country that prided free speech, sigh. The areas studied were the socio-religious structures of the Yoruba and their adaptions after forceable migration, eg, North America, South America, a rich and fascinating subject, where the theological concept of Ogun, as being one and the many, was a seamless transition, whereas Western approaches typically involved specifics and compromise, (Council of Chalcedon) after much arguing and fisticuffs of course!
Top uni, that’s all I’ll say, but not Oxbridge, in the days where Higher Education was still relatively agenda free and our lecturers had lived rich and fascinating lives. I would give the current corrupters of education a choice, jail, or a truth and reconciliation committee appointment where they would have to publicly confess to their crimes against the acquisition of knowledge and, what is in essence, child abuse. Rant over.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2023 9:07 utc | 421

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 13 2023 8:01 utc | 414
Yes, I remember it well. No doubt some Natoist officers were expendable there and / or were fragged by the Azovstalis. Good, they deserved it. The secrets of Azovstal will be a Pulitzer Prize Winner if and when it comes out in book form or film. Hahah . Maybe Seymour Hirsch’s and Oliver Stone’s grandchildren get to produce them .

Posted by: Wondrous | Aug 13 2023 9:36 utc | 422

Posted by: Lex | Aug 13 2023 3:13 utc | 401
So the Europeans are really just being criticised for what, efficiency? Maximising the advantages their premier status gifted them? A work ethic harnessed to a voracious consumption of knowledge leading to industrial dominance? What is the real crime of the Europeans, because it seems like some of their detractors here are behaving uncomfortably like modern educators, punishing success and trying to award participation trophies to less advanced societies.
Go and Read Keegan’s ‘On War’ as a starting source for seeing how fatuous your comments about the ‘White people’s’ unique sin of ascribing their racial superiority as a motive is. Conflict is largely driven by feelings of racial and tribal superiority, either directly in conquest or to redress perceived past injustices. Read their own words or transcripts from the oral tradition to understand the ‘White’ attitude, understandable, given some of the cultures they experiences, that they were superior is as backed into humanity as the urge to follow a doctrine of might is right. They cannot be artificially divided just because it’s inconvenient.
Which links nicely to my final point regarding woke, destroyed, as a concept about awakening and fairness, by black radicals it now has been uncomfortably co-opted by black supremacists, who believe that as the progenitor race they are genetically different. It’s also been hijacked by rich white liberals who, still itching to enslave minorities have, they hope, perfected a system that involves self-selection and self-over site. Further evidence, in my opinion, that suggesting all cultures are not driven by the same forces, both good and bad, as each other, is the ultimate form of racism and a reason why appealing to the concept of Slavic brotherhood, in this conflict, is alas pointless.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2023 9:39 utc | 423

Argh, don’t post with a cat on your lap and no editing afterwards!1
The second paragraph should have read.
Go and Read Keegan’s ‘On War’ as a starting source for seeing how fatuous your comments about the ‘White people’s’ unique sin of ascribing their racial superiority as a motive is. Conflict is largely driven by feelings of racial and tribal superiority, either directly in conquest or to redress perceived past injustices. Read their own words, or transcripts from the oral tradition, to understand that the ‘White’ attitude, understandable given some of the cultures they experienced, that they were superior is as baked into humanity as is the urge to be follow a doctrine of might is right. They cannot be artificially divided, just because it’s inconvenient.
Sorry, I’ll pay more attention next time!

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2023 9:45 utc | 424

>> Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 12 2023 19:59 utc | 356
Those are all idealised operational reasons for them not being there rather than an appreciation of the strange brothel-safari atmosphere that has pervaded Ukraine throughout NATO’s more hands-on involvement.
If you prefer to assume there were no western officer ranks trapped in Azovstal you are welcome to do so but you’ll need a better argument than that to come respectably close to refuting those that do.
Macron’s truly absurd attempts to solicit the involvement of other nations in mounting a “humanitarian” relief flotilla to Mariupol, simultaneous with him sacking the head of French military intelligence (Gen Eric Vidaud), doesn’t make an impression?
If you’re waiting for them to confess you’ll alway find some pretext to believe the official version of events, which is hardly creditworthy.
>> Posted by: Wondrous | Aug 12 2023 23:27 utc | 384
It is one of the many great merits of this place is that almost nobody here will be surprised at the suggestion of US DoD preserving its media profile by selling out NATO weapon shipments in exchange for the secret return of their own Azovstal snuff-hobbits.
Anyone who also believes, as I do, that the US will just keep at it for as long as it takes will also appreciate that giving up a few apparently significant shipments means nothing if there is an intention to provide essentially unlimited additional support.
Actually I agree that any officer rank prisoners will have been given away for what amounts to nothing but my own suspicion is that a trade was made with US DoD for target coordinates because that’s something they could trade without leaving an obvious trace. It’s actually rather obvious given 1. it’d be easy / safe to do, 2. there are few to zero credible alternative trades, 3. it would be the epitome of DoD careerist depravity and deferential RF MoD deconfliction bargaining.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 13 2023 9:55 utc | 425

@Lex | Aug 13 2023 3:13 utc | 401

Arch was pretty clear that having white skin is not the same as being White. Ask Irish history if you don’t believe him.

@Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 13 2023 3:56 utc | 403

White does not equal white does not equal white. There are many uses of the word.

Then do not use it! It is both confusing and racist. And off topic.

Posted by: SG | Aug 13 2023 10:17 utc | 426

@unimperator | Aug 13 2023 8:36 utc | 420
And Ukr soldiers took selfies on Snake Island with a stick pretending to be border post!
And an unsuccessful attack on Belgorod but multiple successful hits using cluster ammo on Donetsk houses.
And another source appeared for the estimated number of dead Ukr soldiers during the fake Ukr counteroffensive: 48k (tass.com/world/1659673). Apparently they are already replaced by fresh corpses from the streets.

Posted by: rk | Aug 13 2023 10:29 utc | 427

Posted by: maratpost | Aug 13 2023 8:19 utc | 415
Required reading for all who want to understand the difference between the Russian Operational art, as described by a professional’ and as interpreted by amateur commentators on YouTube. The one word to sum up the SMO is methodical, slight, daily variances, on the line of contact, are of little significance as they can be accommodated relatively easily. Forget the Bear as a symbol of Russia’s approach, think of a constrictor snake, preventing the preys heart from supplying the vital organs, whilst limiting the ability to breathe.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2023 10:35 utc | 428

Wow! Lots of bad-mouthing of Frank Zappa, a national treasure. Fuckall insights into his music, but lots of conjecture about what ‘kind’ of man he was. Typical.
Let’s listen to a worthwhile perspective…
https://youtu.be/RdTYFTK_pVA

Posted by: john | Aug 13 2023 10:36 utc | 429

This thread has crashed and burned. Time for a new one.

Posted by: B. Wildered | Aug 13 2023 11:16 utc | 430

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2023 10:35 utc | 430 “The one word to sum up the SMO is methodical,”
At the moment you could say the same thing about the Ukrainian offensive into Robotyne and Urozhaine. Well, you would need to add the word “slow” in front of methodical.
What is the deal with the Ukrainian forces that have crossed the river in Kherson? If they didn’t have drones this would not be more than an annoyance but with drones they can reach out a number of kilometers into the rear of the Russian forces to cause trouble. My opinion is that they can’t move enough forces across to mount an actual offensive as the supply lines would be too constrained and the Russians would then move enough forces there to crush them but right now….?

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 13 2023 12:30 utc | 431

“The First Thanksgiving Feast was thrown to thank the Indians. ”
No it was not. The First Thanksgiving was held to thank God.
Quit posting progressive progaganda

Posted by: T.D. | Aug 13 2023 12:35 utc | 432

I think it’s much more than that. If Russian forces move on and take Kupyansk, they by-pass the Oskiil River, and threaten Shevchenkova and Volovkhiv Yar, which if they take it, would cut the M03 Hwy, and cutoff Izyum, Slavyansk, and Kramatorsk, all while they’re being assaulted from the Bakhmut direction. The defense on the Oskiil would collapse, and likely Kramatorsk. That would free up most of the rest of Donbass, and allow them to assault Toretsk from the rear. That would relieve Gorlovka, finally. Additionally, they would threaten Kharkov. So I think that Kupyansk will be a big fight/should be a big fight.
Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 3 2023 6:15 utc | 132
Posted by: Scuppers | Aug 13 2023 7:34 utc | 413

They were already in that position, much better in fact, a year ago. Nothing collapsed

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 13 2023 12:42 utc | 433

@ Posted by: B. Wildered | Aug 13 2023 11:16 utc | 432
Agree and I only read this last page! The swarming troll drones are trying every which way including loose shit, diarrhoea, daily to derail the narrative on each thread. I guess even b, can’t keep up with modding them. No loss because these who come to the site get to read b’s simple, short analysis. And others to find the voices that add rather than detract. Easy to scroll past the easily more recognisable diversion merchants here, their sly ways becoming ever more recognisable by the sheer number of posts they post.
Anyway wholly agree with this posters on this page :
“Russia’s tactic is simple and effective.”
Posted by: Poison Frogs | Aug 13 2023 8:49 utc | 422
Yes PF, that’s why there is no prospect of a ‘surrender’ by the ukrops! No one is asking them to! Not the Russians anyway for sure. Having twice at least in the last 3 centuries gained victory and surrender from the Europeans after repelling invasion and a full blown war, I do believe that this time they decided to avoid that trap. The SMO and focus on the regions that chose to be ‘Not Ukraine’ has meant that there is no longer a population or military there that is able to ‘surrender’!
There is no movement to take the whole of the borderlands, let alone the bellicose natzos further west, their forces are not in Russia needing repelling and chasing back to their capitals. Not even Kiev. That chicken can beg to surrender but there is not even a single Chechen or Wagner ex-con who is there to receive such a demand for mercy.
This ends with a whimper not a bang, like the cartoon Coyote at the end of the episode , with all the store bought Acme wunderwaffens wholly nullified and him left flat on the ground , with us watchers eft in stitches rolling on the floor, laughing. Beep beep!
Ps the massive new cemeteries are the only enduring monument deliberately built to get a future generation to go sacrifice themselves in yet another attempt, if they are dumb enough.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 13 2023 13:02 utc | 434

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 13 2023 12:30 utc | 433
The exact opposite where Ukraine is concerned, or more accurately an attempted combat stress-induced fusion of two methods/doctrines (Western flexible manoeuvre, Eastern planned mass) that are immiscible has created a dis-functional approach that confers none of the doctrinal advantages of either, only their disadvantages.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 13 2023 12:42 utc | 435
No they were not, they occupied too large a frontage and we’re punished for it. A year later Russian force densities preclude the Ukrainians from anything more than temporary advances whilst fighting delaying actions. To use my constrictor metaphor, in ‘22 the Ukrainians got a hit to the head and escaped some of the coils, in 23’ the head is well protected and no one’s escaping.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2023 13:27 utc | 435

@ DunGroanin, #436,
Not that this is news, but I suspect that most Americans have never seen one of the Ukrainian military cemeteries on their western corporate media. Nor have any burnt up Leopards or Bradleys made “regular” news except to call various videos “fakes”. I posted recently on social media about 300,000 dead Ukie military and one of my junior high school friends that now lives in suburban Chicago commented, “that seems high”. I don’t think he was aggressively trying to debate me but was genuinely surprised at such a number.
Then again, this is a nation that was successfully memory-holed all of the covid experiences. I follow a western AU substacker and she mentioned that the AU parliament was actually talking about vax injury legislation of some kind. That blew my mind. Absolutely nothing like that here in ‘Merica. Billions of $$ research money and operational techniques of physiological conditioning has paid off handsomely for the elites…

Posted by: DakotaRog | Aug 13 2023 13:50 utc | 436

Posted by: DakotaRog | Aug 13 2023 13:50 utc | 438
Good for you, drop in that reality, bit by bit. I tend though to find the growing number of Americans who ignore the MSM screening and narrative bolstering operation are surprisingly knowledgeable about the Ukraine situation. The initial, almost reflexive, backing of the ‘victim’ has all but vanished to be replaced by deep cynicism, as evidence of government sponsored dissembling is once again on display.
I’ve seen more posts and articles like this appearing as well.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/08/09/western-sanctions-not-impacting-russian-economy-as-much-as-expected/

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2023 14:23 utc | 437

Re:
” ” ” Posted by: Shocked | Aug 12 2023 17:47 utc | 329
It doesnt matter what you ” see ” or ” feel ” in this regards. All the peoples you listed consider themselves White Europeans.
It doesn’t matter what they “consider” themselves.
All that matters is what I perceive and feel.
But if you want to dispute, let’s use concrete, scientific mechanisms to determine who is what instead of all this touchy, feely stuff? Perhaps Linguistics? Genetics? Surely there’s a scientific approach to working out what “white” is and why some “whites” are white and others not white enough?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 12 2023 17:56 utc | 332 ” ” ”
= = =
Per Borrell: did he mean the Russians “in the Garden”?
Per Nazi: aren’t others than very white “Aryans” – untermensch?
Per UkrNazi: aren’t they very white, culturally superior and inventors of the wheel and other things I know were invented somewhere else? And, of course, Russians are Asians. Off-white, and orcs (?).
Anglo-Saxons are the embodiment of white of the whitest..
That is what Arch Bungle meant, perhaps.

Posted by: logosApplied | Aug 13 2023 14:36 utc | 438

Re:
” ” ” Posted by: Lex | Aug 13 2023 3:13 utc | 401
So the Europeans are really just being criticised for what, efficiency? ” ” ”
= = =
The efficiency? Yes.
Alas, I am always contemplative, when recalling the name of the German firm making the cast iron doors to the chambers of the furnaces for burning bodies in Auschwitz (Oświęcim).
Is the firm still in exsistence, and proud of the efficient utilization of killed non Ubermensch, less that Aryan-white?

Posted by: LogosApplied | Aug 13 2023 15:00 utc | 439

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 12 2023 17:41 utc | 328

2) “Socialism and / or communism don’t work”
China has is the most successful economy in the world today. China is a communist country.

China’s “communism” never got beyond socialism (the nationalisation of the means of production and distribution, and abolishment of private property generally) and… it was an absolute disaster.
Their economy picked up only after they abononded socialism and allowed the private ownership of the means of production and distribution, and private property generally).
Try again kids.

Posted by: Observer | Aug 13 2023 16:45 utc | 440

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg
Posted by: Milites | Aug 12 2023 20:21 utc | 358
Ha, ha, thanks for that. Obviously other people have noticed. I first realized it while watching a Woke reporter haranguing Tucker Carlson for being “racist” because he wants to close the border to illegal immigration.
She insisted that he wants to keep America “white” and it became obvious to me that she only considered white people to be True Americans, although Tucker kept telling her that Americans are of all races.
That is when I realized that they are the same. But that video nails it.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 13 2023 17:18 utc | 441

Posted by: Observer | Aug 13 2023 16:45 utc | 442
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 12 2023 17:41 utc | 328
Yes, I knew there would be those who refused to do any research. Too bad, but it’s easier to stay in a bubble

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 13 2023 17:29 utc | 442

Posted by: logosApplied | Aug 13 2023 14:36 utc | 440

That is what Arch Bungle meant, perhaps.

Bingo. See, people? It ain’t that hard.
And to emphasise:
– Whites are … ?
– Africans are … ?
– Asians are … ?
– Arabs are … ?
Take a Burmese ‘Asian’, A malaysian ‘Asian’ a negrito from the Jungles of Sumatra and put him next to a Korean ‘Asian’. How does the term ‘Asian’ work now?
Take a blond, green-eyed, white-skinned Iranian, Turk, Kurd or Syrian and put them in a room full of ‘white’ people … How does the word ‘white’ work now?
Take an African khoisan, pygmy and Zulu and put them in a room with a Taureg, a Masai and a Berber … What meaning does the term ‘African’ have here?
Take a “Russian”, put in a room with a Scotsman and an Italian …
See where I’m going with this?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 14 2023 1:16 utc | 443

Posted by: libegafra | Aug 13 2023 8:24 utc | 416

Please, share your scan, for the copy of that article on the wiki link is not readable.

On the link, click on Visualizar on the top left. This will bring a pdf where the text is readable. It reads as follows: Durante una decada fui agente de la CIA secretamente en Chile … No, toda la información de mis libros es publica y hay cosas que no son verdad, pero que son verosimiles. Eso es todo.
http://www.bibliotecanacionaldigital.gob.cl/bnd/628/w3-article-248677.html

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 14 2023 18:58 utc | 444

barstool | Aug 13 2023 6:09 utc | 409
*** Both American Indian tribes and Jewish tribes consider only the mother’s “race.” ***
Pictish royal succession was via the mother.
Which presumably avoided at least some potential future disputes.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 14 2023 22:52 utc | 445

barstool | Aug 13 2023 6:09 utc | 409
*** My ancestors who came over on the Mayflower didn’t come to rape and pillage; they were escaping religious pursecution in Europe. They partnered with the Indians, who taught them how to survive their winter. The First Thanksgiving Feast was thrown to thank the Indians. A chapter of the Hebrew Bible was read at it. The word “Turkey” is a transliteration from Hebrew for “India, (the country,) Bird.”***
Fanatical but cunning religious bigots who waited till later
before killing the natives and stealing their land?

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 14 2023 22:59 utc | 446

barstool | Aug 13 2023 6:09 utc | 409
*** Gangus Khan was a capitalist. If any city would agree to maintain the roads and keep them free of hiwaymen, Kahn would reward them. He would build them whatever public buildings they wanted.***
Seems maybe nearer to socialist than “capitalist”.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 14 2023 23:04 utc | 447