Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 11, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: The End Of The Counteroffensive

Western media have finally change course. They are now admitting that the much promoted Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed. In fact, the acknowledge that it never had a chance to win in the first place.

The Hill, the Washington Post and CNN now agree that the Ukrainian army will never achieve its aims.

That makes it difficult for the Biden administration to get Congress approval for $24 billion in additional 'aid' to Ukraine. It does not make sense to pay for a cause that is evidently lost.

The Polish President Duda has also acknowledged that the counter-offensive has failed. Relations between Warsaw and Kiev have gotten worse and Polish interests will not allow for more support or active intervention.

Nothing has come from the 'peace conference' which Saudi Arabia arranged on Ukraine's behalf.

Despite the onslaught of bad news the Ukrainian army is still trying to take Russian positions in the south and east of Ukraine. But it simply does not have enough in men and material to break through the lines.

Even if they would manage to get a local breakthrough there are not enough reserves to push for the necessary follow up. Just one of the NATO trained brigades has still been held back. All others have been mauled in their various deployment zones.

In the northeast around Kupyansk the Russians have started their own offensive which has the Ukrainians on the run. Ukraine has ordered the evacuation of the area:

A mandatory evacuation has been ordered for the Ukrainian city of Kupyansk and its surrounding areas, as Russia intensified shelling of Ukraine’s northeastern Kharkiv region and claimed to have captured Ukrainian positions near the city on Thursday.

But Kupyansk is a Russian city and people refuse to leave.

The Russian campaign is slowly speeding up. As the Ukrainian Strana.news reports (machine translation):

Also in Ukraine, it is recorded that from Kupyansk to Bakhmut, Russia has increased the number of attacks.

"Over the past month, the total number of attacks in the Kupyansk, Limansky and Bakhmut directions has grown significantly. In July, during the week there were 6-6.5 thousand attacks, during the last week-9 thousand attacks, " – said the representative of the National Guard Ruslan Muzychuk.

According to him, the Russian Federation does not experience "shell hunger".

Aviation is also actively used, and over the past few weeks, more than 50 air attacks have been taking place every day, and sometimes more than 80.

That is bad news for the Ukrainian side which lacks the reserves to counter the Russian onslaught. There are also less weapons coming in from the West. F-16 fighter jets will be delayed for another nine months due to training issues. Tanks and other material are in short supply.

Strana also report of an interview with a knowledgeable Ukrainian soldier (machine translation):

Continuing the topic of the situation at the front, an interesting interview was given by a Ukrainian sniper fighting near Bakhmut with the call sign "Grandfather". On the air of political scientist Yuri Romanenko, he was introduced as Konstantin Proshinsky (this is a pseudonym).

The fighter spoke in detail about his vision of the situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Russian army.

1. Mobilization. In his opinion, it is conducted incorrectly. Recruits are sent to the front who have never been trained, and they are often over 50 years old and with a whole bunch of diseases.

2. No rotation. The soldier says that "the same brigades" are fighting at the front, and people are not taken out of the front line for six months or more. Whereas by Western standards, they can be kept in a war zone for no more than three months.

3. Behavior of mid-and high-level commanders. According to Proshinsky, many of them are trying to arrange a "mini-Stalingrad" on the positions, forcing them to go into frontal assaults on well-fortified Russian positions.

4. The Russian Army began to fight better.

5. Proshinsky believes that Russia has not yet used much of what it has against Ukraine.

The soldier thinks that the Russians will not move from their positions and that a stalemate peace like in Korea would be the end result.

I believe that to be wrong. Russia's aim is to liberate at least the four regions that it has claimed for itself. For political reasons it can not stop before that is done.

Should the Ukraine continue to fight after that, Russia is likely to set new aims and take more land.

Comments

Strategic-Culture‘s editorial, “War is a Racket… U.S. and NATO Arms Industries Make Record $400 BILLION in Sales from Proxy War With Russia” ends with these lines:
“The continuation of the bloodletting and destruction in Ukraine is depravity. But, shamefully, it will go on because the Western forces driving it know of no other way. They are locked into an addictive slaughterhouse that defies all morality, legality and democratic principle.”
That’s the Megalomistic/Pleonexic behavioral dynamic that afflicts those that inhabit the Elite Class of the Western world–they “know of no other way” as their history proves. The Southern/Eastern mind doesn’t work that way and points to the fundamental difference that must be solved if humanity is to evolve and progress. And that’s what’s at stake.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 12 2023 3:38 utc | 201

Posted by: bevin | Aug 12 2023 1:23 utc | 182
Is that the Mohawks who became wealthy by trading their flint and gaining land by conquest; however, losing it to traders with superior technology and a desire to stop the Mohawks from constantly raiding fellow tribes? There really is no end to the ignorance of the socialist class and its ideologists.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 12 2023 2:42 utc | 196
Seriously, the biggest gang was the Soviet government itself.
Posted by: bill wolfe | Aug 12 2023 2:56 utc | 199
No, Orwell failed to anticipate the internet, more and more Americans, who were staunch defenders of their country and consumers of the MSM, are now becoming politically aware, thanks to the democratisation of information.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 12 2023 3:51 utc | 202

No, Orwell failed to anticipate the internet, more and more Americans, who were staunch defenders of their country and consumers of the MSM, are now becoming politically aware, thanks to the democratisation of information.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 12 2023 3:51 utc | 203
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Orwell also failed to anticipate falling testosterone levels and OnlyFans. I doubt he thought the average man would become a cowardly obese simp. All the information in the world is useless if no one is ready and capable to act upon it.
I have a theory that our masters on this plane enjoy the impotence of citizens who constantly are being told they are being betrayed, knowing they will never do anything about it. The Europeans love to protest, but have any of those protests actually meaningfully changed policy? Or are they just a pressure valve, allowing people some catharsis from the informational torture they are subjected to daily, lessening the energy to “storm the Bastille”?
The modern governmental ideal is to keep the populace on a slow boil, enraged but unable to take effective action. The more that people’s outrage is tolerated and blunted, the more they are trained to accept the unacceptable.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 12 2023 3:58 utc | 203

Some TG analysis is suggestive. Between total mobilization and firing all the conscription / recruitment leadership for “corruption”, things are probably grim for Kiev. Who in Ukraine isn’t corrupt at this point? It is the only way to survive. Likely the most ideological Banderites will be given those jobs and it has the side benefit of them not being at the front. One TG post I read questioned whether those types have the administrative chops to actually manage it; it’s a good question.
Things are bad for Zelensky and gettin worse. Not every man can be at the front. Massive casualties can’t be sustained forever. And the most ideological are rarely the most competent. Bankova’s behavior is going to get more and more desperate. Biden’s might too.

Posted by: Lex | Aug 12 2023 4:04 utc | 204

Ukraine is losing 500 men and dozens of heavy hardware a day. Russia is winning without advancing from behind its defences. Although that is changing in the north now.
A reminder about war: all wars are banker wars. Long after the fighting we still pay the debt. The UK paid its last payment to the US for WW1 a few years ago.

Posted by: Johnj | Aug 12 2023 4:04 utc | 205

Those of you who are constantly surprised by world events and require a “theory to tie them all all together” should really check out this great new theory called dialectical materialism,especially its subcategory of contradiction analysis. To sum up, systems exist because they contain contradictions, not because they exclude them.

Posted by: Brautigan | Aug 12 2023 4:20 utc | 206

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 12 2023 3:58 utc | 204
The modern governmental ideal is to keep the populace on a slow boil, enraged but unable to take effective action. The more that people’s outrage is tolerated and blunted, the more they are trained to accept the unacceptable.
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Good insight.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 12 2023 4:56 utc | 207

Posted by: Observer | Aug 11 2023 13:26 utc | 4
It seems to me that Observer is right. Russia has all the advantages whilst it does its fighting near its borders, close to its supply lines and not in cities with Nazi insurgents. Hence why Ukranian bridges and railway lines are helpful – they transport NATO weapons and Ukranian manpower to their destruction.
But where does the logic of this lead? That Russia continues to fight until NATO / US is exhausted and politely asks what terms Russia will accept and then offers them.

Posted by: Pete Jones | Aug 12 2023 5:12 utc | 208

Ukraine could be about to experience its own Monte Cassino
If Ukraine breaks through the Surovikin line it could quickly take Crimea, triggering the collapse of Putin’s ‘special military operation’
Hamish de Bretton-Gordon Daily Telegraph 12-8-23
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/11/ukraine-could-be-about-to-experience-its-own-monte-cassino/
Barflys, looks like our predictions of a Ukrainian victory might be wrong. /s
This guy wins the prize for dumbest journalist in the DT, quite a difficult thing to achieve in fact…. Lots of competition.
But his writings heavily liked by Brigade 77 types so there is that.

Posted by: marcjf | Aug 12 2023 5:49 utc | 209

Posted by: shadowloser | Aug 11 2023 19:36 utc | 113
The way I see it, there’s a couple of ways this could play out.
1. 404 withdraw hoping the Russian Group maintains “movement to contact/pursuit maneuver”. This could
a) lead to a mistake with forward unit running out of fuel/ammo and stretch supply line too far or expose supply lines to stay behind forces or
b) expose extended fast moving supply lines to long range strikes.
2. This could be the start of a rout and the Russian Group achieves a significant bridgehead.
Posted by: marcjf | Aug 11 2023 20:30 utc | 129
There is a view that Russia might welcome Poland annexing the western Ukraine.
I believe the whole point of the last public address by Presidents Putin & Lukashenko was a redline warning to Poland & NATO that whatever version of rump state permitted to exist after the breakup of the former Ukraine will not be allowed into the NATO fold either as an individual state or amalgamated with an existing NATO member.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 12 2023 6:04 utc | 210

Shoemaker @ 194
I see what you mean, so we need to get rid of the rich taking more of their share good point.
Shaddow banned ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 12 2023 6:19 utc | 211

There is obviously no good reason for Russia to accept responsibility for fixing Ukraine after NATO poured billions into wrecking it, and the economy is for the high jump anyway, considering an irreconcilable percentage of the former tax base has either fled or been killed. Yet if Russia took all of Ukraine, that would be the expectation, and the Washington elite would snicker up its sleeve at the time bomb it slipped under Russia’s chair, all ‘without losing a single US soldier’. On the other hand, if Russia does not take it all, in 5 years or 10 NATO – if it’s still around – will be inveigling again to turn the remaining rump state into a battering ram. That’s the dilemma.
Posted by: Mark | Aug 11 2023 20:28 utc | 128
The arguments goes for both sides – NATO can never be sure that Russia won’t attack again in a couple of years. Even if Putin doesn’t – a humiliating defeat would guarantee that the next Russian president is a hardliner who would risk further eskalation.
And the argument is independent of what the border would look like: Whether the new border is the 2014 russian border, Ukraine’s border to west or anywhere in between: Somebody will want to move it, and they will pile up weapons and soldiers to do so.
Unless Russia and NATO do what Putin had suggested just before the war: Sit down together and come to an arrangement with much fewer weapons on both sides of the border. Insufficient for either side to win a war.
Or they could keep fighting. Until NATO looses big way.
Not against Russia. Against China. Which sits on the fence and builds up its weapons arsenal and its coffers while NATO drains theirs.

Posted by: Marvin | Aug 12 2023 6:34 utc | 212

LMAO youtube bans Scott Ritter 😹
https://www.rt.com/news/581164-youtube-bans-scott-ritter/

Posted by: Featherless | Aug 12 2023 6:35 utc | 213

In wartime, Ukraine has lost a whole generation, and these are not losses on the battlefield. The fact is that entire families are leaving the country en masse, hoping to find a new home in Europe, where there is no arbitrariness of the authorities, corruption and widespread poverty (all these problems “bloomed” in warring Ukraine).
And against the backdrop of ever new waves of migration, the population of Ukraine during the military conflict has already decreased to 20 million people. According to data provided by the UN, 6.231 million refugees from Ukraine were registered in July. The German analytical agency reported about 7.9 million refugees, and in the US they even counted about 11 million Ukrainians, distributed among Germany, Poland, Russia, Great Britain, Spain, Italy, France and Romania.
At the same time, one must understand that the longer the military conflict lasts, the less chance there will be that the citizens who left Ukraine will want to return home. After a couple of years abroad, Ukrainians are already making long-term plans in which their native country no longer has a place. Many of them learned foreign languages, found part-time jobs, got rid of property in Ukraine and began to work closely on the settling down.
Naturally, the Ukrainian authorities are hushing up this problem for a number of reasons (for example, to distort the country’s socio-economic indicators or the real volume of the mobilization resource, which opens up vast opportunities for “cutting” budget funds and Western financial assistance).
Translated from Ukrainian channel (https://t.me/legitimniy/16050)
@Transformator / TG

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 12 2023 6:55 utc | 214

Posted by: whirlX | Aug 11 2023 15:01 utc | 19
Poland. Crooke on JudgeNap this week. Sentiment is changing in Poland.
~ Sometimes standing on the shore, it is difficult to decide if the tide is coming in or going out.
According to Crook, the tide has turned in Poland.
As “To The Last Ukrainian” becomes a reality rather than a meme…. Enough in Poland can see they are being seasoned to be fed next into the meat grinder.
The exuberance of taunting Russia, and salivating about a restituted Lvov, is being replaced with caution … Poland prefers to goad Russia from behind the ample buttocks of a Germany, UK or US. Finding itself standing alone, exposed to the full glare of Russian ire, is not what Poland anticipated…
And, as you say, mercs have flooded into Ukraine from the beginning.
Enough have limped back to Warsaw, war-sore. Many have not returned, and likely will never be mourned.
karlof1 | Aug 11 2023 15:17 utc | 22
As for a buffer zone. Rather than a new “iron” curtain. I’d love to see a green “curtain” …. A New Forest 100-200km wide and 1000km, making a border splitting Ukraine.
Call out the Greens … establish a master “carbon offset” tree and greenbelt project. A Green Wall you can see from space.
Posted by: Lantern Dude | Aug 11 2023 16:25 utc | 44
when did the narrative that the reason for ‘Ye Olde Counter Offensive’ was to strengthen Ukraine’s negotiating position first appear in the M$M?
I’m going to write “March/April 2023” on my pop quiz paper.
It was the narrative of the Spring Offensive, I believe.
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>… Bribe taking recruiting agents sacked.
How shitty will you (and your family be) if you’ve paid USD10k to avoid the draft and party in Kiev, only to have your privilege papers cancelled.
…. If only there was a soft border, maybe, say with Hungary, where you could try your luck …..
Feral Finster | Aug 11 2023 20:46 utc | 131
The largest demographic cohort in Ukraine is females 60-80.
Fantastic for cottage gardens, pickling, and sustaining extended families on cabbage and salo. Great for surreptitious surveilling and secreting small weapons and valuables.
Battalions of babuskas have kept Ukraine functioning until now. Another harsh winter without fuel, heat or pensions and this completely unacknowledged cohort of social cohesion will be deceased.
To The Last Ukrainian! Whether neonate or octogenarian.
shadowloser | Aug 11 2023 19:20 utc | 107
Oskol region.
Kinda ironic the Russians are advancing here… the region they retreated from because they had it sparsely covered, and decided to trade territory for troop preservation.
Oh how the corporate media guffawed with derision at the retreating ruskies.
It was that “weakness” that had NAFO triumphalism press for western weapons and insistence Ukraine could “win”, Ukraine was “winning”
Now it’s Ukraine who has left the region with sparse defense.
And NAFO… haven’t seen much from them since “Bradley Square” became a landmark seen from space.
IMVHO the seachange in western reporting is due, not so much to the obvious failure of Ukraine (it’s been obvious for a year), but the now silencing of the NAFO internet army who bayed like banshees for Leopards, Challengers, and Patriots (and F-16s and Abrams).
Supplying these to Ukraine was a political, not military, decision.
A political decision arising from the pressure exerted by the NAFO troll factories.
When history is finally written, the role of NAFO in the absolute destruction of Ukraine must have a significant chapter.
simplex | Aug 11 2023 21:07 utc | 139
strange that Russia still doesn’t widely use cluster bombs.
Nope. A weapon has a purpose.
For USNATO right now, all they have are hammers, so every problem is a nail. (errr, cluster bomb)
U$ cluster bombs are nasty, but not delivering any wunderwaffle results.
HERMIUS | Aug 11 2023 21:13 utc | 142
Ukrainian armed forces were caught napping when it came to understanding the Russian Federation’s defence capabilities
Credit placed where credit is due. It was the USUK who underestimated the drunk, disorganised, poorly trained, lacking equipment, demoralised, human-wave-tactic using, armed only with shovels, Russian military.
Bluedog57 | Aug 11 2023 22:39 utc | 158
Stay safe.
shаdοwbanned | Aug 12 2023 3:00 utc | 200
There are two generations raised as Banderites in much of the rest of Ukraine…
Females 20-30 are so few they could qualify for “endangered species” status.
Males 15-40? We will discover in 2-3 years after the end of meatgrinding what numbers remain.
The largest cohort of Ukrainians is females 60-80.
Give it 5 years … demographics are destiny. Ukraine is about to experience further cataclysmic population decline.
unimperator | Aug 12 2023 6:55 utc | 215
One more extreme winter and the largest population cohort in Ukraine _ women aged 60-80 _ will experience significant die-off.
No-one will really notice, as old women don’t really excite much interest, demographic or otherwise.
But without babuskas holding the villages together, and knitting the social fabric.. what is “Ukraine” will rapidly fade from memory.
The bloodied and broken men of Ukraine will hobble home, but there won’t be babuska to turn a turnip and cabbage into a warm, nourishing meal.
Rural and regional Ukraine will be a cold, empty, desolate, destroyed wasteland. Anyone under 50 will flock to the cities for what few jobs exist.
And most will flee further to foreign soils.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 12 2023 7:27 utc | 215

YouTube has deleted the channel of former US intelligence officer Scott Ritter for “inciting hatred”. This is how the platform viewed the videos with unflattering analyses of the situation in Ukraine.
YouTube administration has removed the channel of retired US Marine intelligence officer Scott Ritter. The latter regularly recorded videos about the situation in Ukraine, in which he criticised Kiev’s strategy and US military aid to Ukraine.
Freiheit auf amerikanisch:
In particular, Scott Ritter pointed out that multi-billion dollar deliveries of Western weapons to the AFU only prolong the conflict lost in advance and lead to senseless suffering of the Ukrainian people. Also, the ex-US intelligence officer was not afraid to call things by their names and directly said that outright Nazis are fighting for Kiev.
This is the latest in a series of actions by YouTube to silence Russian voices, and represents a living manifestation of the disease of Russophobia that is sweeping America and American social media… YouTube is making America and Americans weak by its actions,
– commented Scott Ritter himself on social networking site X.

Posted by: Oberbayer | Aug 12 2023 7:29 utc | 216

@Echo Chamber | Aug 12 2023 1:02 utc | 180

By the way I’ve got no dog in this fight.

Good. One has to consider the performance of the dogs in that fight, based on available verifiable facts.
One fact is that Ritter in 2022 publicly claimed without evidence, as if it was a fact, that Gonzalo Lira had been murdered by operatives “affiliated with the Ukrainian Security Services (SBU)”.
https://twitter.com/Anabel_Villeroy/status/1516839029974573057
Now, Ritter publicly states without evidence, as if it is a fact, that Gonzalo Lira is an agent working for the SBU.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2023 7:32 utc | 217

Posted by: Pete Jones | Aug 12 2023 5:12 utc | 209
I think these ex post rationalisations are poor fodder indeed. It might equally have been the case that RF gradually targeted Ukraine’s limited stock of railway locomotives, forcing pretty much all war materiel onto the road network, increasing enormously the consumption of diesel, trucks and everything required to keep them in working order. A gigantic, costly, laborious and unceasing traffic jam throughout Ukraine, all to be subsidised by Ukraine’s sponsors and patrons.
I am perfectly certain that those who finds the current situation so easy to explain could also accommodate themselves to quite diverse or even contradictory alternative scenarios by the same intellectual dexterity.
Such people would never trouble themselves to enquire as to what protective measures were in place prior to the destruction of Kakhovka HPP and many of them would find quite offensive any enquiry as to why the opposite bank of Zaporhizia NPP hasn’t been turned into an artillery no-man’s-land in order to deny its use as an area of heavy force accumulation by Ukraine. It is a nuclear power station, after all, not a bus depot.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 12 2023 7:38 utc | 218

@Featherless | Aug 12 2023 6:35 utc | 214

LMAO youtube bans Scott Ritter 😹

Maybe his huge mistake in the GL case needs a distraction.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2023 7:45 utc | 219

Melaleuca | Aug 12 2023 7:27 utc | 216, thanks for your answer of I’m going to write “March/April 2023” on my pop quiz paper. It was the narrative of the Spring Offensive, I believe. I thought the same but wanted confirmation.
That being the case b’s first paragraph Western media have finally change course. They are now admitting that the much promoted Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed. In fact, the[y] acknowledge that it never had a chance to win in the first place. means all the slaughter was, not only expected, but considered acceptable. The contempt of TPTB and their media minions for ordinary people is staggering.

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Aug 12 2023 8:05 utc | 220

What do we imagine would happen if Russia began surging forward, appearing to potentially take much more of Ukraine? Would the West not stage a dramatic freakout to justify finally engaging NATO forces? If this is true, the Russian leadership will also be aware. They may realize that a managed stalemate that exhausts the political will of the West over time is the best path.

Posted by: Dave | Aug 12 2023 8:08 utc | 221

Dave @ 222
That and the original post are the best comments on this thread.
Short, clear and to the point.
Thanks.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 12 2023 8:17 utc | 222

More chatter in Twitter rooms…Russia is getting ready to occupy Athens..end of month réuniites Orthodocx confessions..Türkiye colludes takes Macedon.. Greeks will surrender after 2 days and us and nato in horror freeze. NATO fears and Germany to. Rearm..China raids and takes Taiwan in a fortnight Taiwan collapse…Biden Heart attack Harris President ..Pro Trump states demand. Secession Trump declared President.. Ukrain surrenders after major losss of 100,000 men and material end of august when Russian unleashed major forces… these stories to come ! Fromother student in Kiev apologies bad English ukrain peeople very fed up man y wish it’s over! Students as myself I. History and politics hear such stories each hour of war
LEAVE

Posted by: Anna m | Aug 12 2023 8:22 utc | 223

No one believes the foolish idea Russia can win. The economy of that country, cannot sustain this type of war with a billionaire oligarchy behind the scenes.2 years hence Putin will be either dead or internal exile. China will not support Russia at expense of her own interests and good old USA capitalism will bankrupt Russia as the py did USSR.No one triste Russia and its thug leadership.Ukraine for all its failures is in the right direction.And all the time we know Russian broke all agreement with the invasion.Russia is like Iraq under Saddam,bound to faill and fall.

Posted by: Obviously not | Aug 12 2023 8:30 utc | 224

Marvin | Aug 12 2023 6:34 said:

“The arguments goes for both sides – NATO can never be sure that Russia won’t attack again in a couple of years. Even if Putin doesn’t – a HUMILIATING DEFEAT would guarantee that the next Russian president is a hardliner who would risk further eskalation.”

“A humiliating defeat” of WHOM? If you mean “of RUSSIA, by NATO/USA” it’s a wet dream. Wake up.

Posted by: LongCovid | Aug 12 2023 8:38 utc | 225

Posted by: Mark | Aug 11 2023 20:28 utc | 128

Yet if Russia took all of Ukraine, that would be the expectation, and the Washington elite would snicker up its sleeve at the time bomb it slipped under Russia’s chair, all ‘without losing a single US soldier’. On the other hand, if Russia does not take it all, in 5 years or 10 NATO – if it’s still around – will be inveigling again to turn the remaining rump state into a battering ram. That’s the dilemma.

Me thinks this isn’t really a dilemma. Taking the whole of Ukraine is much better for Russia from both geopolitical and economic considerations.
First, as soon as Ukrainian forces collapse from the Black sea coast in the south and along the Dnepr in the north and centre, a large flow of Russophobe Ukrainians will flee to the EU leaving behind a more docile population with the added bonus: this will exacerbate tensions already simmering in the EU.
Second, Ukraine is very similar to Russia and with proper management (i.e. purging it of corrupt and anti-patriotic oligarchs, development and implementation of a national re-building program and business model) it can be turned into an economic success like Putin and his team did it with Russia since 2000, with exponential growth in nominal GDP up to 2014. Russia + Ukraine working together will dominate to a great extent several key markets in food and energy security.
Third, the experience of Japan and Germany, countries that turned from fanatic warrior societies blindly following their leaders to war into docile eunuchs falling in love with their former enemies and new masters, suggests that Ukraine will turn Russophile even faster and better after sufficient destruction and defeat because Ukraine is much more similar and connected (by family bonds) to Russia.
Fourth, after reverting the militarization and nazification of Ukraine, the next major threat to Russia’s security are those Aegis systems and their MK-41 tubes in Poland and Romania. To counter those and possibly get them removed, the best approach is to deploy counter systems in front of them, and for that Russia needs the Western part of Ukraine. Deploying systems pointing to the EU in Western Ukraine will complement the systems deployed in Kaliningrad and Belarus in the northern border with the West. It would be same approach that the Soviet Union employed to get rid of nukes deployed in Turkey in the 60s of the past century.
Fifth, returning Ukraine to the fold falls squarely into the Putin’s and Co. project for a Russian renaissance (aka re-building of the Soviet Union), a project that they have cultivated since 2000 with fairly reasonable success.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 12 2023 8:53 utc | 226

Posted by: marcjf | Aug 12 2023 5:49 utc | 210
Try Casino with the sides reversed, that’s probably a closer fit, though still a rather desperate attempt to find glimmers of historical sweet corn in the Ukrainian turd of an offensive.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 12 2023 9:00 utc | 227

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2023 7:32 utc | 21
Yeah, but if you believe Lira the way it works is you have to listen to Peter Lavelle and George Szamuely discussion with Ritter. Then debunk what they say.
Most people at the time thought Lira was dead or at least going to be jailed for a very long time. You have to explain why he wasn’t.
That’s what I try and do with economics listen to the narratives and framing then free from ideology and politics use the actual balance sheets and the actual transactions that take place to Then debunk the GROUPTHINK.
It’s so much easier for me because the assets and liabilities are the facts. So I have something concrete to begin with.In the Lira case like mainstream economics it is pure speculation on all sides.
So listen to Peter Lavelle and George Szamuely discussion with Ritter. Then debunk what they say. If you believe Lira that is your task. It’s not going to be easy as like them you having nothing concrete to start with.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 12 2023 9:07 utc | 228

«Strana also report of an interview with a knowledgeable Ukrainian soldier (machine translation):»
Anecdotes, from interviews with individuals to videos, are not data, even if authentic, because they don’t have to be representative.
Plus a large part of them are obviously fake or designed to be misleading.
As I keep saying all we know about the military situation is hearsay, a large part manufactured or selected as propaganda, and we can rely only on information on the large-scale situation, be ause that’s more difficult to twist, and both sides largely agree on it.

Posted by: Blissex | Aug 12 2023 9:19 utc | 229

کرفس چیست؟
کرفس یک گیاه چندساله است که درختچه ای از خانواده ی زنبقیان (Apiaceae) می باشد و معمولاً به صورت سالیانه کشت می‌شود. این گیاه از ریشه‌هایی که ساقه های بلندی را تشکیل می‌دهند، تشکیل شده است که در بخش فرعی آن برگ‌هایی با رگ‌های عریض و شبیه به برگ‌های سلری (celery) دارد. کرفس باعث هضم غذا و کاهش وزن بدن نیز می‌شود و شامل ویتامین‌های A، B، C و مواد معدنی مانند کلسیم، آهن، منیزیم و پتاسیم می‌باشد. به دلیل خواص غذایی و درمانی که دارد، کرفس به عنوان یکی از محبوب‌ترین سبزیجات در بسیاری از کشورها به شمار می‌رود.

Posted by: arkaorganik | Aug 12 2023 9:31 utc | 230

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 12 2023 2:49 utc | 198
I suspect that Putin’s statement was off the cuff like if I said “I won’t kick my neighbors Chihuahua” that growls while rubbing his teeth on my ankles. He’s really pretty tragic, but very unlikely to harm me.
Zelenski has a role, but not any power. He reads his script, but he doesn’t write it. His final tragic scene was written before he accepted the role. Putin putting him down might give Putin some little satisfaction, but wouldn’t help anything.
If Biden were a real POTUS, Putin would consider offing him, but he isn’t. Biden just tries to read the teleprompter. Shakespeare wrote such tragedies.

Posted by: barstool | Aug 12 2023 9:32 utc | 231

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2023 7:32 utc | 21
If given the platform and a head to head debate. I could easily debunk Ritters view of economics within 15 mins. I will do it by using his own gold standard, fixed exchange rate GROUPTHINK view against him. It wouldn’t be difficult and show how it no longer applies to modern money. Choke him with his own tax payer money myth. Show him the government accounts.
Nobody is going to be able to do that in the Lira case as nobody has anything concrete to go on. It’s all speculation. Ritter might pull a rabbit out the hat and if given permission by his sources show the internal e mails and messages Lira sent to other people that Ritter now has.
The truth will come out one day. Utterly Pointless getting involved when most of it is pure speculation from all sides. Until the speculation gets out of control and 16 conspiracy theories grow out of it.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 12 2023 9:32 utc | 232

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 12 2023 3:58 utc | 204
Control is a reaction to fear, their system of slow-boiling only worked when people were not aware of their ulterior motives and the system could sustain the illusion for the majority. Now the system is staggering, weighted down by decades of hiring the ideologically pure but mediocre and a growing number of people are expressing, through a growing number of outlets, the question you allude to. What can we do? This is the first critical stage, admitting their is a problem, solutions will follow, but the frustratingly slow road to critical mass has been initiated and our ‘masters’ are beginning to show signs of discomfort.
As for 1984 and the threat of sex to totalitarian regimes, Orwell predicted the emasculatory outcome, just not the means and methods used. On a side note, when first reading the book, in my teens, I was amazed at his accurate predictions on the helicopters role in combat. Was it the US machines, or the German WW2 models that inspired him?

Posted by: Milites | Aug 12 2023 9:36 utc | 233

196 – I studied Russian at university and spent two months in the USSR in 1984, including in Kiev. A feature of the time was rather sketchy people approaching obvious Westerners and asking if they had blue jeans they were prepared to sell. Obviously some black market stuff.
In Soviet times, such people were ridiculed and denounced. I remember an issue of the satirical magazine Krokodil that showed a wolf wearing Adidas trainers closing in on a lamb.
At the Soviet Union’s collapse, I remember an advocate of “market reforms” saying these opportunistic spivs were the economic future and should be encouraged. Conservative values indeed…

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 12 2023 9:38 utc | 234

@Pete Jones #209:

Hence why Ukranian bridges and railway lines are helpful – they transport NATO weapons and Ukranian manpower to their destruction.

Yeah, imagine all those bridges were blown up! NATO weapons and Ukrainian manpower would then just pile up on the Western bank, leaving the troops on the Eastern bank unsupplied, leading to their destruction, leading to Russia taking control of the entire Eastern bank, which would be such a horrible, horrible outcome for Russia…
I mean, all the Eastern Ukrainian cities with their pro-Russian populations and heavy industry would be preserved, joining the Russian economy, while the fighting would move to North-Western Ukraine with its more pro-Western population. What a horrible thing for Russia that would be…

Posted by: S | Aug 12 2023 9:47 utc | 235

@Echo Chamber | Aug 12 2023 9:07 utc | 229

Yeah, but if you believe Lira the way it works is you have to listen to Peter Lavelle and George Szamuely discussion with Ritter. Then debunk what they say.

Ok, so you didn’t get what the mistake is. The mistake is to make serious allegations without verifiable evidence. Even if Ritters accusations were correct (It is a fact they were not, and I don’t believe the current accusations are correct), it is a serious mistake to make accusations in that situation without any evidence to support it. I could make a much stronger statement on that, but let’s leave it there.
I watched part if that video. There was no evidence to “debunk”, just loose talk that doesn’t do Ritters credibility any good.

Most people at the time thought Lira was dead or at least going to be jailed for a very long time. You have to explain why he wasn’t.

Ok, were they right or wrong believing he was dead? I have to explain why he wasn’t dead? Are you serious?

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2023 9:49 utc | 236

A reminder that from 1933 all attempts to set up collective security agreements by Russia against rising Germany under A.H. were rebuffed sabotaged by Poland France Uk etc paving the way for ww2…so by the passing of a hundred years which is not so long ahead in the scale of time in these matters…will these countries (and in what condition they might be left in
after their own re-awakened and exposed fascist tendenciesfor supporting neonazi Ukraine have been brought to nought)….actually realise their folly of that past century? Updated article in sputniknews examines that previous role of the three countries?
Strangely to me this suggests that by 2033 ww3 might just be over … or starting because no one listened to Russia’s concerns then and are completely untrustworthy for wahatever a settlement regarding Ukraine might be possible now?

Posted by: Jo | Aug 12 2023 10:17 utc | 237

“Ok, were they right or wrong believing he was dead? I have to explain why he wasn’t dead? Are you serious?”
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2023 9:49 utc | 237
Don’t be silly…..
No, quite simply you have to explain why he wasn’t jailed for a very long time.
Good luck with that as it will be pure speculation.
Not just explain why he wasn’t jailed for a very long time but under house arrest by the secret police was given everything back and allowed to continue what he was doing.
That’s the red flag that the intelligence agencies looked at and said that’s very suspect.
Good luck with that as it will be pure speculation. Especially when others were getting shut down in the West for less.
Have a go and see how you get on buddy it won’t be easy. Or like me treat everything as noise and wait until the truth comes out.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 12 2023 10:17 utc | 238

Posted by: Johnj | Aug 12 2023 4:04 utc | 206 “Ukraine is losing 500 men and dozens of heavy hardware a day.”
500 x 30 = 15,000 a month. Seems high, given Ukraine is still pretty much holding the line 535 days or so after this started. How did you arrive at that number?
My opinion, based on modeling from pervious wars is that the number is closer to 10% of that number. And the number Ukraine give for Russia is also exaggerated.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 12 2023 10:21 utc | 239

Posted by: bevin | Aug 12 2023 1:23 utc | 182
Reminds me of that great bit from the Manifesto where Karl and Fred answer their bourgeois critics:

Bourgeois: “You Commies want to steal the people’s property!”
Karl & Fred: “We’re too late, you’ve beaten us to it! How do you think you became bourgeois?
Bourgeois: “You Commies are immoral, you want to ‘socialize’ our women!”
Karl and Fred: “You would think that, seeing as you regard women as mere property. When you’re not using your money to screw proletarian sex workers you’re ‘stealing’ each other’s wives. Women have always been well socialized, pity about you lot!

etc etc
danf51 | Aug 11 2023 22:22 utc | 154
Whilst my views are pretty much diametrically opposed to yours I’d never really thought about Socialism and Gnosticism before, cheers! Fred Engels probably wrote about it, he received the extensive religious education befitting a young Lutheran bourgeois and retained a keen interest throughout his life. He saw many religious movements of the poor as proto-socialism, but as capitalism hadn’t developed yet it wasn’t possible to think in modern socialist terms.
And of course Marx came from a long line of Rabbis. His father was inspired by the French Revolution to break with tradition and went into the public service instead (which necessitated his conversion to Lutheranism).

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Aug 12 2023 10:24 utc | 240

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2023 9:49 utc | 237
Speculation leads to this…
If a gun was put to your head and you were given 2 choices ,
Work for us or die.
What would you do ?
Good luck trying to explain that didn’t happen. Good luck to Ritter trying to explain it did.
The speculation says the red flag is Not just why he wasn’t jailed for a very long time but under house arrest by the secret police was given everything back and allowed to continue what he was doing. When everyone else was getting censored for less.
In intelligence circles that’s a complete no no unless he was turned.
You can’t just say – ” I watched part if that video. There was no evidence to “debunk”, just loose talk that doesn’t do Ritters credibility any good.”
Without debunking what he says you are just giving an opinion and no facts. It’s just your opinion your own speculation.
Good luck with it all buddy but I wouldn’t waste any time On it. Wait until the truth comes out.
Like I say I have no dog in this fight. I’m just playing devil’s advocate. Show you how messy it gets when all that is On offer to choose from are opinions and speculation.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 12 2023 10:29 utc | 241

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 12 2023 9:38 utc | 235
Had that experience in early 80’s Russia most of the time we stopped, though it was mainly teenagers and they were asking for biros and records, with a few wanting jeans. As for Krokodil being a genuinely satirical magazine, and not just another mouthpiece of the state, if it had have been its main target would have been that very State. Of course it wanted to portray entrepreneurs as a threat, the only ones allowed were those that were state sponsored, with Western coffee machines and Ferraris parked in luxury dachas as the ultimate incentive to be a loyal Communist. You’ll be telling me Eric Honecker was a skilled huntsman next!

Posted by: Milites | Aug 12 2023 10:31 utc | 242

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 12 2023 10:29 utc | 242
Opinions and speculations often from grifters, clouding their motives even more. Talking of which, I see some of the YouTube commentariat are Henny Pennying it today with the news the Ukrainian’s have established some footholds, using their sophisticated, ‘just one more push’ tactics, giving one the distinct impression that their analysis is directed more toward maintaining their viewer figures, than providing a dispassionate commentary.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 12 2023 10:51 utc | 243

243 – Krokodil was a mouthpiece of the state. So was the Ukrainian-language magazine Perets which in 1956 depicted Ukrainian nationalists as puppets of Western forces (quite accurately).
You’re a bit naive about satirical magazines – Private Eye in Britain, you know, the “free West”, tends to stick to safe targets who are unlikely to sue – it pulled its punches with Jimmy Savile, for example, when he was alive, as losing a libel case could have been very expensive.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 12 2023 10:56 utc | 244

@Echo Chamber | Aug 12 2023 10:17 utc | 239

No, quite simply you have to explain why he wasn’t jailed for a very long time.

Stop it, I did not make any accusations, and I have nothing to “explain”. Just listen to what Lira says or if Ritter believes he is lying it is up to him to prove it. The alternative is to let his credibility take a big hit.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2023 11:05 utc | 245

Zelensky fired all Recruitment Officials…. Vampire6 weighs in…
https://t.me/VampireSix/255
Vampire Six, [8/11/23 9:58 PM]
🇺🇦In Ukraine, all regional military commissars will be fired, Zelensky said following the meeting of the National Security and Defense Council.
“This system should be managed by people who know exactly what war is and why cynicism and bribery during the war is treason. Warriors who went through the front or cannot be in the trenches because they lost their health, lost limbs, but retained their dignity and do not have cynicism – they can be trusted with this recruitment system,” Zelensky said.
Zaluzhny was instructed to choose new military commissars. Before their appointment, the SBU will check them.
🐻 Too much corruption and military commissars were making too much money for not sending people to the front by being bribed,now they will be replaced with someone more willing to send people to the fronts… To the last Ukrainian
🔴 @DDGeopolitics
Vampire Six, [8/11/23 10:19 PM]
So in other news the Ukrainian conscription system apparently just imploded after Zelensky decided to fire the people in charge of running it – and, corruption aside, who have been doing an excellent job at shoveling Ukrainian manpower into uniforms and off to the front – for “corruption.” Of course this is nonsensical, corruption is a fact of life in Ukraine and officials cannot be expected to not wet their beaks. They’re apparently to be replaced with combat veterans, probably the most fanatical Azov types that can be found.
Most Ukrainian politicians and officials are deeply corrupt as a rule and this situation cannot be news to Zelensky. So corruption is obviously a pretext and there’s something deeper going on.
This goes back to my earlier post about the point at which a society at war hits military collapse due to excessive casualties burning through the supply of acceptable military manpower. Ukraine is, right now, entering the national equivalent of hemorrhagic shock from losing a huge amount of its military-aged men, and there are likely few acceptable recruits left. The recruiters are probably not meeting their targets and have not been for some time – hence the radical solution of firing them all in the hopes that more hardened and ideological characters can make the numbers.
Of course there’s far more to conscripting people than simply being brutal enough to force the unfit into uniform. It requires real administrative skills that none of these goons will have, which is going to lead to a rapid collapse in intake numbers and will degrade the AFU’s fighting power all the quicker.
This has a close historical parallel with the Third Reich, as Hitler increasingly replaced technocrats and (relatively) apolitical soldiers with Nazi zealots in positions of responsibility as the war turned against Germany. It did nothing at all for German war prospects and was generally counterproductive, but they could be counted upon to do exactly what Hitler wanted and brutalize a lot of the right kind of people in the process.
In line with the above this move would tie in directly with recent talk of conducting a national mass mobilization in Ukraine, without regard to age, sex, disability, etc. Simply masses of bodies being driven at the Russian lines in the hopes of staving off what will be a brutal peace by a few more months.

Another crack appears…..
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 12 2023 11:28 utc | 246

Opinions and speculations often from grifters, clouding their motives even more.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 12 2023 10:51 utc | 244
Nail on head Milites. Every confirmation bias is now a revenue stream. Some of them even have sponsers like advertising gold or advertising stocks to buy. From that you know exactly their motives. The money some of them have made by tapping into ignorance and using it to profit is shameful.
Redacted makes a living from tapping into ignorance and profiting from economic myths. Plays GROUPTHINK like a fiddle for their own revenue stream.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 12 2023 11:36 utc | 247

Of course the counter offensive was going to fail. That was the whole idea.
This was never a Ukraine/Russo “conflict.” This was never a NATO/Russo “conflict.” The United States is NATO. The so-called membership of the willing are vassals. This was always a United States/Russo war. A proxy war, to try out World War 3, in advance.
Proxy War Part 1. Part 2 will begin when the Ukraine military has been wiped out. Then the Poland/Russo “conflict” will begin. How Part 2 doesn’t activate Article 5 probably doesn’t matter. Just another red line to be crossed. “Still her. Sorry.”

Posted by: the blame-e | Aug 12 2023 11:49 utc | 248

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 12 2023 10:56 utc | 245
Equating Private Eye, a publication restricted by libel laws, to a Communist mouthpiece whose only targeting restriction was ideological, is disingenuous. It’s similar to poor old Mr Posnan being wheeled on to 80’s current affairs programmes trying to equate the number of black prisoners on death row to Soviet Political prisoners. The opposite of corruption does not always have to be perfection, just as intent is not always judged by outcome. PI attacked PM’s and delighted in exposing the emperor, Krokodil savaged any who suggested he was naked, big difference.
No one could touch Saville, I knew police officers and members of his extended family who obliquely referenced it, but were too terrified to talk, such was the growing power of the ‘network’ that does not officially exist, PI would have been destroyed and many powerful people it ridiculed would have breathed more easily. Similar to the motives of those urging Russia to launch an all out offensive, it often is not in the interests of those they claim to support.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 12 2023 11:54 utc | 249

Thanks b; as usual, impeccable analysis.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 12 2023 11:58 utc | 250

Dima said today that the Ukro offensive is still ongoing that they still have a lot of weapons and people eager to die for western interests.

Posted by: simplex | Aug 12 2023 12:13 utc | 251

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 12 2023 11:28 utc | 247
I think we will have to wait to see if that actually happens.
If the implosion story is the correct one, how long before we see this collapse of troops being funneled to the front?
The other side of the argument is that corruption is being cracked down on. And that included people running the conscription offices who had never seen the front line. The claim is that will change.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 12 2023 12:15 utc | 252

250 – Nah, you’re reaching.
PI has its ideological restraints and frequently echoes establishment lines in a “satirical” way. Frederick Forsyth in The Dogs Of War has a character call PI “left-wing” but that perhaps just indicates how right-wing Forsyth is. A 1983 poem the magazine published lauded the Thames Valley police assaulting Greenham Common women, a 2004 cartoon showed Muslims with a baby and a mullah saying, “Congratulations, it’s a bomb!” Yet PI pulls its punches when it comes to, say, Israel. I wonder why?
I wouldn’t go so far as to call PI a deep state product, like Charlie Hebdo in France. But it is hardly a fearless publication. No-one could touch Savile, while he was alive. Krokodil would not have had a go at Brezhnev while he was alive, either. Same difference.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 12 2023 12:17 utc | 253

If Scott Ritter is arguing now, that Lira is an SBU agent, Scott needs a good screen writer……and maybe a part time job, seems to have too much time on his hands…..a bit of an internet phenomenon these days me thinks, people with too much time to waste…..
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 12 2023 12:20 utc | 254

@barstool 232
“Shakespeare”? – poor bard. You give them waaaaay too much credit 😉

Posted by: AG | Aug 12 2023 12:21 utc | 255

Posted by: arkaorganik | Aug 12 2023 9:31 utc | 231
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من ترجیح می دهم غذاهای حیوانی بخورم. کرفس فیبری است و مواد مغذی کمی دارد.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 12 2023 12:25 utc | 256

U.S. and NATO Arms Industries Make Record $400 BILLION in Sales from Proxy War With Russia
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 12 2023 3:38 utc | 202
That is $1,000,000 per corpse.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 12 2023 12:48 utc | 257

Bienvenue à l’Espéranto Langue Éthique ! 2023-24
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Il aura fallu de la patience pour finaliser cette collection, cette vaste problématique des langues auxiliaires en général et de l’espéranto tout particulièrement. Sans que cela puisse être exhaustif, une alchimie s’est construite à partir de cette vision de Langue éthique, inscrite dans un contexte de Géostratégie et dans une perspective de Réciprocité ! Et c’est avec l’Afrique que le cheminement entre en phase avec une actualité qui ne cesse de répandre ses feux, comme un galop difficile à anticiper qui menace d’emballement.
Pour qui désespère de tout et de rien, inutile de voir au pire autre chose qu’une vielle utopie dont on aurait épuisé en vain tous les potentiels logiques, sans chercher plus loin. Une langue pour tous ? N’y pensez pas ! Voyez les chiffres arabes 0 à 9, venus d’Inde au IV° siècle, légués aux arabo-musulmans au VIII°, et proposés à l’Occident au X°. Refus catégorique, on ne déroge pas. Quelle raison à posteriori peut justifier les 5 siècles d’attente qui privent l’Europe de ce trésor, jusqu’à ce que la Renaissance vienne enfin à s’en intéresser ?
En sourire ? Comme de l’obscurantisme et du cortège des souffrances qui en sont la conséquence ? Histoire de rendre illisibles les causes réelles de cet état de fait ? Arguments et thèses savantes à l’appui ! On trouve dans ce dossier les repères utiles pour s’en faire une idée, non pas sur le versant grammatical et lexical, mille fois éprouvé, mais côté économie politique. Car l’objectif est d’aider à vivre sans mythifier pour autant. Mais l’enthousiasme que génère ce projet dynamique ne peut être ignoré et exprime sa nécessité.
Par contre et sans naïveté, il s’agit de faire face au contempteur qui feint d’ignorer les principes d’altérité et de réciprocité inscrite en lettre de feu dans la psyché humaine. Cette recherche de langue commune, vieille comme le monde en vérité a été maintes fois usitée, mais c’est au cours de l’histoire récente qu’elle s’est intellectualisée, pour culminer au XIX°. L’Espéranto est né ainsi, parmi des centaines d’essais, dans la pensée et par l’émoi d’un enfant, là où tant d’autres érudits ont failli à face à ce défi périlleux et incertain !
La rapidité avec laquelle s’est ensuite répandu cette incroyable résolution, est à la fois signe et témoignage d’un génie qui émerge dans la société des hommes à la manière d’un mythe grec. Alors pourquoi autant de résistance stérile à frustrer les simples humains d’une connaissance digne d’intelligence innée, et privilégier les armes terrifiantes comme les haines aveugles. La guerre serait bienvenue et la bonté naturelle exclue ? Qui sont ceux qui justifient la peine qui accable tous nos semblables mais savent l’éviter pour eux-mêmes ?
Comme si une sorte de malédiction donnait à penser que la souffrance est fatale, et le bon sens une ineptie ! Par conséquent il serait normal de s’en rendre complice par sujétion ou suggestion, il serait juste de voir la liberté humaine sans l’esprit de responsabilité ! Pourtant un enfant peut savoir cela par simple pure intuition ! Nous sommes illusionnés par la perfidie d’un esprit pauvre, et victimes du consentement que l’on concède. Ni plus ni moins, car en réalité tout se tient dans cet espace infinitésimal qu’on nomme innocemment destin.
Il y a donc bien une constante immédiate à vivre cette destinée, qui réside dans un concept d’éternité comme paradigme logique d’un véritable sens oublié et perdu. Justement sur ce registre, sur cette gamme, la portée d’harmonie d’une langue auxiliaire, commune, neutre, éthique, fédérale, relève de ce bon sens. L’aune 2023 et l’aube 2024, en sont les vecteurs. Le petit Zamenhof donnait vie à un rêve insondable, la grande Afrique peut désormais le faire exister, face aux Nations et aux États qui en observeront l’avènement !
Penser le monde, exprimer ses possibles et en construire les réalités, relève d’une œuvre assez commune. À condition d’en saisir les lois géostratégiques d’économie politique et les objectifs de réciprocités évolutives. Il reste à créer la synergie collective des élans personnels, pour résoudre les paradoxes qui hypothèquent encore l’instauration inéluctable d’un projet qui attend de se révéler, au moment décisif, de toute évidence ! Ayons à cœur de penser favorablement à cette vision, n’était-ce que par défaut d’espérance en ce monde ?
C’est aussi le moment parfait pour la France de re-susciter le plan Espéranto de la SDN de 1922,
de faire amende honorable, de rendre à l’Afrique à l’Europe et au Monde, la dignité et la confiance !
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Posted by: Kristina | Aug 12 2023 12:50 utc | 258

@37 I love Zappa, “Joe’s Garage”, is still one of my favourite albums-and Zappa was right, most of the time.
“Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.”
Frank Zappa

Posted by: canuck | Aug 12 2023 12:51 utc | 259

On the Ritter/Lira issue. I can see how Ritter might imagine that Lira may have been recruited by the SBU, but it seems more likely that the SBU was simply fishing with him as bait, trying to see if they could hook any Kharkov or Ukranian citizens who might attempt to get in touch with Lira.
As a Chilean and USAian citizen, the SBU would be less likely to do him much damage, and it is not probable that he was allowed to continue with his videos in order to expose the Berletics,and Mercouris’ who appeared on his Roundtable discussions. Most of these people would have been known from their own Blogs/Videos.
I am not sure why he was released the second time. Or why he was not simply jailed or deported.
In any case, as Norwegian and others have noted, there is not any clear evidence, as yet, that he was recruited. So, Ritter’s hypothesis can not be said to have been adequately demonstrated.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 12 2023 13:01 utc | 260

Re: Posted by: Dave | Aug 12 2023 8:08 utc | 222
“Would the West not stage a dramatic freakout to justify finally engaging NATO forces?”
Well, one thing this “SMO” has exposed is that there is no NATO. Just a few rag tag nations that do what the US says.
This war wouldn’t be between “NATO” and Russia, but “US” and Russia.
Another thing this “SMO” has exposed, US is far too chicken to actually fight a war on its own.
It’s happy with proxies & ISIS groups ect to go defend its Corporate interests worldwide, but the US is one chicken sh*t nation when involves themselves or their “homeland”.
If they do escalate, it’ll be a hit and run, another of their chicken sh*t moves… they’ll do something devastating, blame it on Russia, then “take the high road” and get out “to prevent a WW” and try to take global credit for being a Hero, when in fact, they’ve pushed the envelope to the last inch their chicken sh*t selves dare to.
I agree that your statement about Russia “managing” until that “last inch envelope pushing” by chicken sh*t US is probably best for Russia, and probably the course, but who knows, even Russia’s patience isn’t infinite.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 12 2023 13:06 utc | 261

Posted by: Milites | Aug 11 2023 20:09 utc | 122
I used to say that Ukraine can’t decide for himself whether it wants peace or not (hint: Johnson), and then NATO enthusiasts tell me “You’re depriving the Ukrainians of agency!!1!1”.
Seriously? Isn’t it NATO that takes away that agency?
Similarly, socialists tend to point out how capitalism deprives the proletariat of agency, and point out that it’s class struggle like strikes and revolutions that gives them agency, and this is called “depriving people of agency” to you?
It’s just that many people don’t want to recognize that the truth is that the proletariat does have no agency, and that’s exactly why capitalism is problematic.

Posted by: Colin | Aug 12 2023 13:09 utc | 262

Anna m @224: “…ukrain peeople very fed up man y wish it’s over!”
Have you resolved to give up being Nazis yet? No more synchronized jumping while chanting about knifing Russians?
No, I can tell from your post that you have not yet come to terms with reality, so the meat grinding will go on while you feast on Ukrop sausage to the last Ukrainian.
“…Ukrain surrenders after major losss of 100,000 men…”
Of course, you mean “…Ukrain surrenders after major losss of 100,000 MORE men…”, right? Because the Ukraine passed the 100,000 KIA mark long ago.
Meanwhile, go find a Turk or an American Black dude who will pay for your dinner tonight if you give him your ass. That’s how Kiev’s economy works these days, isn’t it? Just like Lvov now.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 12 2023 13:17 utc | 263

I agree that your statement about Russia “managing” until that “last inch envelope pushing” by chicken sh*t US is probably best for Russia, and probably the course, but who knows, even Russia’s patience isn’t infinite.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 12 2023 13:06 utc | 263
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As it is in life, the party with more patience tends to win in the long run. The manic behavior of the West has been its undoing.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 12 2023 13:31 utc | 264

Obviously not @225: “No one believes the foolish idea Russia can win. My pimp Biden gonna beat they azz!”
Tragically, there is nothing left of the Ukraine but ignorant swine destined for the meat grinder and whores selling everything they have to foreigners. You whores survive by delusionally believing that your “customers” love and respect you. They do not. You are being used and abused by the people of NATO because Americans and Europeans know that it hurts Russians’ feelings to see Ukrainians debased to being mere disposable animals and playthings.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 12 2023 13:31 utc | 265

I prefer a written comment to a video one:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/gonzalo-lira-sbu-information-operations/5828392
Lira is one of the most stupid men on earth or SR is right.

Posted by: libegafra | Aug 12 2023 13:37 utc | 266

… Russia is like Iraq under Saddam,bound to faill and fall.
Posted by: Obviously not | Aug 12 2023 8:30 utc | 225
Obviously not.

Posted by: scc | Aug 12 2023 13:45 utc | 267

@libegafra | Aug 12 2023 13:37 utc | 268

I prefer a written comment to a video one:

Ok,
FLAWS IN SCOTT RITTER’S SPECULATION ABOUT GONZALO LIRA

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2023 13:45 utc | 268

Posted by: TG | Aug 11 2023 13:56 utc | 8

1. My country – the United States – is being invaded by the third world, and my government is not only not stopping this, it is actively promoting it. My interest in Russia/Ukraine is, while nonzero, is less. Keep your priorities.

Now you know how the first nations felt.
These third world invaders you speak of … I wish them well.
America is an abomination that has tormented humankind for too long.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 12 2023 13:46 utc | 269

“Zappa was right, most of the time”
Imho he thought his misanthropy and his cynicism made him an intelligence person.
And since he noticed he was a bit more intelligent than his high-on-acid fandom he came to the false conclusion he was a superior being (the same applies to the singer from Tool).
Alas nor Zappa’s “wise” quotes nor his music have stood the test of time imo.

Posted by: Nanker | Aug 12 2023 13:52 utc | 270

intelligent not intelligence sorry…

Posted by: Nanker | Aug 12 2023 13:54 utc | 271

Posted by: Ed | Aug 12 2023 12:15 utc | 253
Apologies Ed, that was me, Ed4.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 12 2023 13:54 utc | 272

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 12 2023 12:48 utc | 258
Please show your math for full credit 🙂

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 12 2023 13:56 utc | 273

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2023 13:45 utc | 270
“Why would any intelligence asset be criticizing their own handlers?”
Basically the whole (emotional) argument by Larry Johnson is that he never heard of the FBI methods of infiltrating every movement in the US with controlled opposition.

Posted by: Lemming | Aug 12 2023 14:05 utc | 274

@Lemming | Aug 12 2023 14:05 utc | 276
Just show some verifiable evidence, that is all I ask.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2023 14:09 utc | 275

270 – I have no particular view on Gonzalo Lira, but Kiev worries about opinion in the Anglosphere and if they have seemed lenient with Lira, it may be because he operates in English. If he said in Russian (or even better Ukrainian) the things he said in English, his feet would not touch the ground. However, they may have decided enough is enough.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 12 2023 14:16 utc | 276

Posted by: Lemming | Aug 12 2023 14:05 utc | 276
Like the FBI’s infiltration of the US Communist party (CPUSA)? Where the FBI’s ‘agent’ would pick up the money the USSR was sending to the US Communist party. Then the FBI would dole out the money for party activities?

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 12 2023 14:19 utc | 277

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 12 2023 13:46 utc | 271
You mean the native tribes who were often second or third nations when they were themselves colonised, due to their appetite for warfare and enslaving the previous occupants, those ‘first’ nations.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 12 2023 14:20 utc | 278

How the CIA failed in Ukraine.
From Nuclear concerns, to intelligence failures
Former CIA:
Larry Johnson & Ray McGovern
on Andrew Napolitano’s youtube:
11 Aug 2023, ~25 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/live/dwFb7S9vveM?feature=share

Posted by: Toby C | Aug 12 2023 14:23 utc | 279

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2023 13:45 utc | 270
Thanks for the link.
“Only one little problem — Gonzalo is a U.S. citizen and a Chilean by birth. The SBU could beat him, torture him and shake him down for cash, but his profile in the West was sufficient to give them pause in executing him. So they let him out.”
Oha!!! Now we have a nazi sbu caring about what the west could think when the western medias are completely under control. They could have extradited him. They could have kept him in jail.
Or they could let him free, let him resume his activities and look for people inside Ukraine who would listen to him…

Posted by: libegafra | Aug 12 2023 14:24 utc | 280

Posted by: Milites | Aug 12 2023 14:20 utc | 280

You mean the native tribes who were often second or third nations when they were themselves colonised, due to their appetite for warfare and enslaving the previous occupants, those ‘first’ nations.

Yes, the very same.
Natives, being humans, will butcher each other as well.

That doesn’t change the fact that they were there so long they evolved a genome unique to the region. Therefore, “native”

The only unique genetics the white man has evolved in his time in America is the bloatedness of his junk-food-fed carcass.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 12 2023 14:34 utc | 281

@Librarian | Aug 11 2023 13:21 utc | 2
Concerning a deeper view of History
Marxists want it to be about class
Some read into history the actions of a ‘khazarian maffia’
The Larouche circle point to some general features of oligarchies.
In addition historians defend the interests of the currently existing oligarchy.
Thus there probably are hidden connections to uncover.
Secrets are probably tied to vulnerabilities and exposing them migt lead to an undesired reinterpretation of history

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 12 2023 14:55 utc | 282

Posted by: Colin | Aug 12 2023 13:09 utc | 264

It’s just that many people don’t want to recognize that the truth is that the proletariat does have no agency, and that’s exactly why capitalism is problematic.

Ok, in what “system” (and capitalism isn’t really a system by the way) does the proletariat have agency? Or more agency, I should say?
I suppose the “proletariat” – ie, the average person – has most “agency” in a hunter-gatherer “system”. Unfortunately, given the low productivity of hunter-gatherers, most of humanity will need to starve to death before our numbers drop to levels that could be supported by it. At which time the proletariat (who, for some reason, are the only people we’re supposed to care about) are too busy hunter-gathering and watching most of their kids die in childhood to revel much in their “agency”.
Capitalism is only “problematic” in that being a living human being is problematic. We’re not plants; from the sweat of our brow shall we earn our bread. To paraphrase everyone’s favorite fascist: “capitalism is the worst system… except all the others that have been tried from time to time”.

Posted by: Observer | Aug 12 2023 14:59 utc | 283

Lira is a compromised asset.has been for over 1 year.
Whether willingly or unwillingly. That doesnt matter.
I cant believe ppl still believe he was a geniune neutral asset blogging from Kharkov. Lol
Ppl are so gullible

Posted by: Comandante | Aug 12 2023 15:04 utc | 284

Also very interesting that Ritter says Lira is compromised and a couple days later gets his channels closed up on twitter.

Posted by: Comandante | Aug 12 2023 15:11 utc | 285

Posted by: Ed | Aug 11 2023 20:08 utc | 120
In the whole known history of humanity, four primary economic systems have existed as the primary economic system of the world:
1). Primitive Communism
2). Chattel and bonded slavery.
3). Feudalism
4). Capitalism
I did not mention socialism/communism because these systems have only existed in a few countries, as a system trying to emerge, but still in the womb because humanity is not ready for it.

Er, what? Socialism has been tried in many, many places for centuries (Jamestown and Plymouth are exemplars) and has always failed. That, I suspect, is the real reason that you wish to exclude it from your analysis; after all, what’s stopping a pro-capitalist from saying that attempts at capitalism “have only existed in a few countries, as a system trying to emerge, but still in the womb because humanity is not ready for it.”

In time, if we have time, necessity will win out over capitalism as people realize more, and more, is unreal and therefore unnecessary.
The first three existing economic systems had their day under the sun, elements of all four systems existed during the primacy of each system. Capitalism is an exploitive system, but even today it contains elements of the other two exploitive economic systems: Slavery and feudalism. While the goal for the exploited classes under Capitalism is to free themselves of this exploitation, the emergence of socialism will also contain elements of the old systems, if for no other reason than because it will still require a state to maintain order until the state becomes nothing more than the organization of people (i.e. a bureaucracy) to administer goods and services and planning necessary for a society to exist, and that would be communism.
If you can’t understand the necessity for this kind of future, then maybe you can understand why international socialism / communism are still in the womb as humanity develops an anti-exploitation consciousness: Again, if we have the time.

Sorry, socialism – in theory – is all rainbows and unicorns, but in practice is always a disaster – and usually a murderous one. Humanity needs to produce to eat, and – barring hunter-gathering – production requires capital. Capitalism is the only “system” that allows producers to keep and direct some portion of what they produce and direct it as they see fit. It is easily the least exploitative way of organising a society – because it requires the least amount of top-down organisation, ie, coercion.
Compare the “exploitation” in the West with Mengistu’s, Mao’s, Lenin’s, Stalin’s, Pol Pot’s, Chavez’, Castro’s… it’s not even close.

Posted by: Observer | Aug 12 2023 15:14 utc | 286

Posted by: AG | Aug 12 2023 12:21 utc | 256
Touché! You wounded me.

Posted by: barstool | Aug 12 2023 15:16 utc | 287

Posted by: Comandante | Aug 12 2023 15:04 utc | 286
Lira is a compromised asset.has been for over 1 year.
Whether willingly or unwillingly. That doesnt matter.

Maybe. But if he’s a tool of Ukraine/NATO, what was his use? He was staunchly anti-western in his analysis, called out the vile influence of the neocons, and highlighted the plight of the average Ukrainian and the venality of “their” leaders… and was constantly predicting their imminent military collapse (obviously, he was totally wrong about that).
Why would Ukraine/NATO want him broadcasting such demoralising material?

Posted by: Observer | Aug 12 2023 15:21 utc | 288

Compare the “exploitation” in the West with Mengistu’s, Mao’s, Lenin’s, Stalin’s, Pol Pot’s, Chavez’, Castro’s… it’s not even close.
Posted by: Observer | Aug 12 2023 15:14 utc | 288
Regurgitating typical racist and imperialist propaganda from someone who doesn’t even know the difference between socialism and State capitalism.

Posted by: libegafra | Aug 12 2023 15:24 utc | 289

Why would Ukraine/NATO want him broadcasting such demoralising material?
Posted by: Observer | Aug 12 2023 15:21 utc | 290
See comment #282

Posted by: libegafra | Aug 12 2023 15:28 utc | 290

another day, another gonzala lira conversation, lol……………….. the soap opera continues until it doesn’t………….

Posted by: james | Aug 12 2023 15:30 utc | 291

https://t.me/llordofwar/189136

The Turks report that the Patriot air defense system stationed at Kiev Zhuliany airport and handed over by Germany was destroyed by Russia using the Kinzhal hypersonic cruise missile.
The passage of the Condor satellite was supplemented by the work of electronic and human intelligence from the field, and the target was destroyed very quickly.
The SBU and GUR of Ukraine are intensively looking for the source of a possible leak.
To date, three Patriot batteries have been destroyed in Ukraine and there are two more.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 12 2023 15:36 utc | 292

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2023 13:45 utc | 270
Did you read this:
“2 points
1. His own Spanish Wiki exposes in an interview for his book Acrobat he told the newspaper in 2002 that he’d “worked for the CIA for 10 years.”
2. GL wrote finacial anlysis up to w2014 then stopped – the same year Crimea was reunifed ith russia & the US0inspired coup in Kiev. He refers to himself as [quote] Red Coach Pill . He’s a confidence trickster. See Wilshire Boulevard a book he crowdfunded for attracting 155 backers & realizing 143% iof his goal that he never wrote – but did not REFUND any of the money!!!”
Maybe you should read Double Salto, too.
Once in the cia…

Posted by: libegafra | Aug 12 2023 15:37 utc | 293

Posted by: james | Aug 12 2023 15:30 utc | 293
Funny, isn’t it?

Posted by: libegafra | Aug 12 2023 15:38 utc | 294

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 12 2023 15:36 utc | 294
I wonder if it was fully operational, given the emphasis on ‘destroyed quickly’ and the Ukrainian hunt for the Humint source.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 12 2023 15:44 utc | 295

Why would Ukraine/NATO want him broadcasting such demoralising material?
Posted by: Observer | Aug 12 2023 15:21 utc | 290
Because it’s then easier to influence those listening to his “demoralising material”, to corral them in a specific direction, or simply to spot and root them out?
As libegafra pointed out, it’s a funny coincidence that Scott Ritter gets banned from Youtube days after doubting GL’s motives, having been critical of NATO and the US posture in general for years without much trouble.

Posted by: Lemming | Aug 12 2023 15:44 utc | 296

“As libegafra pointed out”
Posted by: Lemming | Aug 12 2023 15:44 utc | 298
Comandante, not libegafra.

Posted by: Lemming | Aug 12 2023 15:46 utc | 297

that is my response with the proliferation of the liraphants…

Posted by: james | Aug 12 2023 15:59 utc | 298

https://archive.is/rV3JV
Apparently, Ukraine wants to punish Israel. Some might feel that is a fatal error, all by itself.

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 12 2023 16:02 utc | 299

Comandante, not libegafra.
Posted by: Lemming | Aug 12 2023 15:46 utc | 299
Yep. And I agree with Comandante.

Posted by: libegafra | Aug 12 2023 16:03 utc | 300