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August 11, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: The End Of The Counteroffensive

Western media have finally change course. They are now admitting that the much promoted Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed. In fact, the acknowledge that it never had a chance to win in the first place.

The Hill, the Washington Post and CNN now agree that the Ukrainian army will never achieve its aims.

That makes it difficult for the Biden administration to get Congress approval for $24 billion in additional 'aid' to Ukraine. It does not make sense to pay for a cause that is evidently lost.

The Polish President Duda has also acknowledged that the counter-offensive has failed. Relations between Warsaw and Kiev have gotten worse and Polish interests will not allow for more support or active intervention.

Nothing has come from the 'peace conference' which Saudi Arabia arranged on Ukraine's behalf.

Despite the onslaught of bad news the Ukrainian army is still trying to take Russian positions in the south and east of Ukraine. But it simply does not have enough in men and material to break through the lines.

Even if they would manage to get a local breakthrough there are not enough reserves to push for the necessary follow up. Just one of the NATO trained brigades has still been held back. All others have been mauled in their various deployment zones.

In the northeast around Kupyansk the Russians have started their own offensive which has the Ukrainians on the run. Ukraine has ordered the evacuation of the area:

A mandatory evacuation has been ordered for the Ukrainian city of Kupyansk and its surrounding areas, as Russia intensified shelling of Ukraine’s northeastern Kharkiv region and claimed to have captured Ukrainian positions near the city on Thursday.

But Kupyansk is a Russian city and people refuse to leave.

The Russian campaign is slowly speeding up. As the Ukrainian Strana.news reports (machine translation):

Also in Ukraine, it is recorded that from Kupyansk to Bakhmut, Russia has increased the number of attacks.

"Over the past month, the total number of attacks in the Kupyansk, Limansky and Bakhmut directions has grown significantly. In July, during the week there were 6-6.5 thousand attacks, during the last week-9 thousand attacks, " – said the representative of the National Guard Ruslan Muzychuk.

According to him, the Russian Federation does not experience "shell hunger".

Aviation is also actively used, and over the past few weeks, more than 50 air attacks have been taking place every day, and sometimes more than 80.

That is bad news for the Ukrainian side which lacks the reserves to counter the Russian onslaught. There are also less weapons coming in from the West. F-16 fighter jets will be delayed for another nine months due to training issues. Tanks and other material are in short supply.

Strana also report of an interview with a knowledgeable Ukrainian soldier (machine translation):

Continuing the topic of the situation at the front, an interesting interview was given by a Ukrainian sniper fighting near Bakhmut with the call sign "Grandfather". On the air of political scientist Yuri Romanenko, he was introduced as Konstantin Proshinsky (this is a pseudonym).

The fighter spoke in detail about his vision of the situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Russian army.

1. Mobilization. In his opinion, it is conducted incorrectly. Recruits are sent to the front who have never been trained, and they are often over 50 years old and with a whole bunch of diseases.

2. No rotation. The soldier says that "the same brigades" are fighting at the front, and people are not taken out of the front line for six months or more. Whereas by Western standards, they can be kept in a war zone for no more than three months.

3. Behavior of mid-and high-level commanders. According to Proshinsky, many of them are trying to arrange a "mini-Stalingrad" on the positions, forcing them to go into frontal assaults on well-fortified Russian positions.

4. The Russian Army began to fight better.

5. Proshinsky believes that Russia has not yet used much of what it has against Ukraine.

The soldier thinks that the Russians will not move from their positions and that a stalemate peace like in Korea would be the end result.

I believe that to be wrong. Russia's aim is to liberate at least the four regions that it has claimed for itself. For political reasons it can not stop before that is done.

Should the Ukraine continue to fight after that, Russia is likely to set new aims and take more land.

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Copy and paste from Slavyangrad the channel:
According to a British Law expert, the proposed Polish-Ukrainian Alliance will, with just a few “tweeks” (ie a few hastily written new laws), allow an estimated 1Million Ukrainian men of fighting age and health currently hiding in Poland to loose their “Refugee” status and be drafted into the Military.
Massive News if it comes to fruition!

Posted by: Copymaker33 | Aug 11 2023 19:04 utc | 101

As far as i can see Zelensky’s only possable way forward now is to retreat to the citys. Autoum approaches along with the mud.
He’s got no choice. If he was sane he’d declare an unconditional surender and throw himself at the mercy of Vladimir Putin.
He’d lose most of his money, but they say yoy cant take it with you when you die.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 11 2023 19:11 utc | 102

That’s another reason why there is a war on religion and traditional values. When God is your highest power and Heaven your preferred destination, the dictates, and threats of the pedos in government seem a lot less threatening.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 11 2023 14:09 utc | 10
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I responded to your comment, but since this part was OT, I responded to the site shown below, #80.
Open (Not Ukraine) Thread 189
News & views (not related to the war in Ukraine) …
Posted by b on August 10, 2023 at 13:17 UTC

Posted by: Ed | Aug 11 2023 19:13 utc | 103

As soon as a settlement is reached the social costs of the war will need to be addressed. For now they can be deferred.
Loss of additional territory to Russia would exacerbate these problems, and the longer the war continues the greater the impact on demographics and the larger the deferred social costs.
Catch 22.
Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 11 2023 17:27 utc | 67
This. Zelensky cannot stop the war but the ability to continue it decreases every day.

Posted by: Lex | Aug 11 2023 19:16 utc | 104

Next step is to eliminate the master and his system of oppression, capitalism. Just as Abraham Lincoln led the war to end chattel slavery so a new leadership and movement must be built to end wage/debt slavery.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 11 2023 15:21 utc | 25
Seriously? The system of oppression is government and its bastard child corporations which are the framework of modern economies and the sole source of billionaires and crony capitalism. Without government, corporations, unions, fiat currencies, government banks, a couple million useless and destructive laws and regulations, amongst other things, you would have sole proprietorships and partnerships where real live people are responsible for their actions
The world’s economies are oceans of government with crappy rich people floating on its surface basking in the sun.
Those who produce are way way below swimming in the dark and cold with many dieing from wars caused by those “people” in the sun.

Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Aug 11 2023 19:16 utc | 105

@88
Im a lurker of 2 or so years who got sick of shadowban’s antics, especially the previous Ukraine thread, as well as the borderline Nazi level rhetoric getting thrown around here.
@89
I cannot in my right mind imagine a 14 year old Honduran boy toiling away in sweatshop level conditions in an American car manufacturing plant would appreciate hearing “well at least you’re ppicking yourself up by your bootstraps”. I’m glad America is slidimg back into first and second industrial revolution type working conditons and people are romanticizing it, libertarian style.
“Yeah her shirt got caught in the lathe and it spun her entire body around so fast her limbs flung off. Good thing I only paid her $2 an hour. I’ll deport their family faster than you can say ‘slavery’ if they try to do anything about it.”
Call me a faggot, but something tells me you and your immigrant friends were here on work/student visas.

Posted by: shadowloser | Aug 11 2023 19:20 utc | 106

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 11 2023 18:59 utc | 99
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Amazon KDP (Kindle Direct Publishing) is free to publish a book, and there is no shortage of free tools online, which with a bit of effort is enough to create a book to sell. Yes, not all books are equal, and selling books requires knowledge and effort. All someone needs to participate in this one avenue is access to the internet. They don’t need capital, they don’t need a degree, just the time they would otherwise spend sitting around complaining about class consciousness directed to producing something that other folks will give you money for.
It’s not getting rich quickly, but it’s getting rich with time. And effort.
Copywriting online is something anyone can get into if they are literate. No capital is needed, just time and effort. Regardless of class, race, or weight (although healthy people tend to be more successful because there is an intersection of what it takes to maintain health and to build a successful life).
Consult YouTube for videos, communities, and information if you’re curious about either avenue. Do not buy anything anyone tries to sell you until you have exhausted every free tool first.
I am done with this topic. We’ve sidetracked this thread all day and it’s time to yield the floor back to the original topic.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 11 2023 19:27 utc | 107

AG | Aug 11 2023 16:40 utc | 51–
Thanks for your reply. Not much more about Ukraine has been voiced by Russia’s leaders aside from the Polish ploy that now seems like a no-go thanks to public pressure in Poland. As you know, Russia usually doesn’t repeat itself once something’s declared; so, we must do our best to recall what’s already been said. I’m not going to list all that now, not even to quell all the mindless speculation that’s being yammered about.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 11 2023 19:29 utc | 108

⚡️Members of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church have barricaded themselves in one of the buildings of the Kiev Pechersk Lavra.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/6893

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 11 2023 19:30 utc | 109

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 11 2023 15:21 utc | 25
Individuals can and do chose religion in their personal lives and I have no issue with that. If they take its principles seriously they tend to be good neighbors. However for the complex problems we deal with at the bar, that form of thinking is just inferior to materialism, which everyone from Marx and Darwin to Hudson more recently have employed to allow the populace a clearer picture of the world they live in and where the battle lines are drawn.
You can be religious, Love. To each his own. But, to offer it as a cure to the problems humanity confronts today is just fraud.
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I would tend to agree that offering a religion as a cure for what ails the world today will fall far short. However, to insist that only the materialist mentality can solve the hard problems largely caused by that same mentality will also fall far short. It would constitute a form of doing the same thing again and again but expecting a different result….
But of course, given what you wrote presumably you do not regard materialism as a problem in which case the notion of operating outside its overly narrow purview strikes you as insufficient.
It could be said another way: we suffer from a surfeit of left-brain processing and perception, but those within such a paradigm cannot see it (that’s the left-brain predicament). So to them the notion that one should include, even emphasize, the right-brain approach is anathema. The right brain can see the overall process the left brain uses but the left brain literally cannot see the right brain approach. The left brain deals with detail and tactics using a conceptual representation as map but the right brain sees the overall context of the actual situations, not only that on the representational map. Something like that.
Materialism is what is causing most of the problems but those trapped within that paradigm figure they just need to redraw the map and try the same sort of thing again. And again.
And so it goes.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 11 2023 19:30 utc | 110

The real question is b if a Ukrainian offensive shits in the woods and the Western media isn’t around to film it, did it happen? Does truth even matter any more? Scary times.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 11 2023 19:33 utc | 111

So are we calling a spade a spade here?
The Russian military seems keen on pushing the clearly demoralized and depleted Ukranian forces West of the Oskil river before fall and winter roll around. Is this obvious to everyone? Is my analysis flat out wrong?

Posted by: shadowloser | Aug 11 2023 19:36 utc | 112

@scepticalSOB | Aug 11 2023 15:45 utc | 33
They are also after the children. Remember the activity of the “White Angels” just before Artyomovsk was liberated?

Posted by: cirsium | Aug 11 2023 19:38 utc | 113

I still think Germany will become a vassal state of Russia.
Posted by: snake | Aug 11 2023 18:57 utc | 98

I hope Germany gets everything that’s coming to it. That’s a curse btw. So I hope Germany remains a vassal of Washington.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 11 2023 19:44 utc | 114

@ Passerby | Aug 11 2023 19:00 utc | 100
To say nothing of being the fulcrum of most of the world’s dirty money. The Swiss don’t owe their idyllic situation to cuckoo clocks, chocolate, and picture postcard views.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 11 2023 19:47 utc | 115

Posted by: shadowloser | Aug 11 2023 19:36 utc | 113
Zelensky sacking 33 military recruitment commissioners, and the admission a month or so ago by Lvov military commissioner of 80 % conscripts in Ukraine obtained from the street or private homes doesn’t bode well for AFU. And these are actual and verifiable events.
Quite an contrast compared to Zelensky claims that there are long lines on enthusiasts at recruitment centers. It may have been true in the first 2-3 months, but now things are very bad.
But eh, what happens when you insist on continuing a losing war – you will just lose more, and more. That’s Nato.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 11 2023 19:53 utc | 116

Can somebody who has a clear sense of Ukraine kinetics describe the significance of the reported RF advances in recent days/weeks? Is this the first sign of a major turnaround in the dynamics of the conflict on the ground? It seems to me like it might be a major shift but am not seeing much reportage about it.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 11 2023 19:54 utc | 117

@ Scorpion | Aug 11 2023 19:54 utc | 118
We don’t know yet. We can’t know yet. We’re just spectators; our asses aren’t on the line. Be patient.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 11 2023 20:04 utc | 118

Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Aug 11 2023 19:16 utc | 106
“Seriously? The system of oppression is government and its bastard child corporations which are the framework of modern economies and the sole source of billionaires and crony capitalism. Without government, corporations, unions, fiat currencies, government banks, a couple million useless and destructive laws and regulations, amongst other things, you would have sole proprietorships and partnerships where real live people are responsible for their actions”
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In the whole known history of humanity, four primary economic systems have existed as the primary economic system of the world:
1). Primitive Communism
2). Chattel and bonded slavery.
3). Feudalism
4). Capitalism
I did not mention socialism/communism because these systems have only existed in a few countries, as a system trying to emerge, but still in the womb because humanity is not ready for it. In time, if we have time, necessity will win out over capitalism as people realize more, and more, is unreal and therefore unnecessary.
The first three existing economic systems had their day under the sun, elements of all four systems existed during the primacy of each system. Capitalism is an exploitive system, but even today it contains elements of the other two exploitive economic systems: Slavery and feudalism. While the goal for the exploited classes under Capitalism is to free themselves of this exploitation, the emergence of socialism will also contain elements of the old systems, if for no other reason than because it will still require a state to maintain order until the state becomes nothing more than the organization of people (i.e. a bureaucracy) to administer goods and services and planning necessary for a society to exist, and that would be communism.
If you can’t understand the necessity for this kind of future, then maybe you can understand why international socialism / communism are still in the womb as humanity develops an anti-exploitation consciousness: Again, if we have the time.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 11 2023 20:08 utc | 119

Copymaker33
Unfortunately that is imho Athenaeum Club copium by retired , flatulent Atlantacists. If USUKIS BoJo supporters think Poland is going to get away with crossing international borders with large armies we are in WW3.
Fortunately it’s bollocks.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 11 2023 20:08 utc | 120

Posted by: bevin | Aug 11 2023 18:02 utc | 76
Whereas Marxists seem to base their political outlook on a theory by a hypocrite who scrounged off his parents. Nothing original about theories based on excusing personal failure. Ever worked with the proletariat, ever dealt with genuine poverty? It’s not so cut and dried as academics pretend.
Posted by: Passerby | Aug 11 2023 19:00 utc | 100
A large helping of hypocrisy and greed also help soothe those awkward edges.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 11 2023 18:59 utc | 99
I’ve worked with the highest to the lowest and the most dehumanising thing anyone can do, in my opinion, is strip an individual of agency in their own life. The political Left have benefited greatly from telling people, it’s not your fault, but those they tell rarely benefit as much as the those who tell them.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 11 2023 20:09 utc | 121

“(a few hastily written new laws), allow an estimated 1Million Ukrainian men of fighting age and health currently hiding in Poland to loose their “Refugee” status and be drafted into the Military.
Copymaker33 | Aug 11 2023 19:04 utc | 102
So why doesn’t Belarus offer these 1 million Ukranian men of fighting age “Refugee” status there. Screen them of course but it would keep them out of the AFU.

Posted by: Jerr | Aug 11 2023 20:12 utc | 122

Didnt some wise man say always leave an exit for your enemy’s, never corner him. Were about there right now.
Its time for Vladimiri Putin to do one of his big big public speeches.
Giveing Zelinsky a way out of his mess. Non negotioable. On the lines of his major speech at the begining of the SMO. Total denatzification and de militerisation.
Complete with a ticket to Russia, and trial.
Big PR win for Putin puts zlensky on the spot and drves a wedge between zel and the west.
Plus if the west media reports it, a marvelous way to disseminate the true dire situation to western public.
Basicly calling a halt to the senseless deaths on all sides. Sanity.
Whats to lose ? Nothing as far as i can see.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 11 2023 20:12 utc | 123

Posted by: ATM | Aug 11 2023 19:02 utc | 101
> If a properly run plebiscite were run today the Russians would end up with all the regions they have taken with the exception of Kerson.
Not Kerson but Kherson, or Cherson in German style, or Herson is all Slavic languages that use Latin.
It is a Greek word meaning peninsula.
Posted by: shadowloser | Aug 11 2023 19:20 utc | 107
> The Russian military seems keen on pushing the clearly demoralized and depleted Ukranian forces West of the Oskil river before fall and winter roll around.
Oskol river. Oskil is Ukrainian BS spelling.

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 11 2023 20:14 utc | 124

So why doesn’t Belarus offer these 1 million Ukranian men of fighting age “Refugee” status there. Screen them of course but it would keep them out of the AFU.
Posted by: Jerr | Aug 11 2023 20:12 utc | 123

And why should that be Belarus’s problem?

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 11 2023 20:17 utc | 125

Kadyrov was categorically against negotiations with Kiev!
“We are winning on all fronts, both on the battlefield and on the international political stage. All that remains is to finish what we started.”
The head of Chechnya believes that Russia is quite satisfied with the current situation both on the battlefield and in the international political arena.
Western weapons did not help the Ukrainian armed forces to regain control of the territories held by the Russian army. the attempt to “isolate the Russian Federation” failed.
https://twitter.com/colonelhomsi/status/1690094207006855169

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 11 2023 20:19 utc | 126

Thanks to Ukraine’s delusional government – someone should put that Podolyak up against the west wall like they did Ceaușescu – and its swaggering western bully-boys and their ‘If you somehow manage to stop us, we’ll just regroup and try it again’ rhetoric, I don’t see many alternatives to Russia simply taking it all. At the same time, that’s an extremely unpalatable solution for Putin, and I think he would go to great lengths to avoid it.
It has always been my position that as the poorest country in Europe, Ukraine is not really coveted by anyone due to its economic implications; if Russia becomes its landlord, Russia will be expected to bring its standard of living at least up to that of Russia. After decades of internal and international war, it is a ruin – Poroshenko once posited that it would take around $90 Billion to get it back on the rails, and the head honcho of the European Investment Bank (EIB) is now tossing around figures north of $1 Trillion. Prior to that, before Ukraine launched its punishment operation against the East, Yanukovych figured he could get by on the relatively-modest $15 Billion in Ukrainian Eurobonds Russia agreed to buy.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-21/ukraine-reconstruction-may-cost-1-1-trillion-eib-head-says#xj4y7vzkg
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/182491.html
There is obviously no good reason for Russia to accept responsibility for fixing Ukraine after NATO poured billions into wrecking it, and the economy is for the high jump anyway, considering an irreconcilable percentage of the former tax base has either fled or been killed. Yet if Russia took all of Ukraine, that would be the expectation, and the Washington elite would snicker up its sleeve at the time bomb it slipped under Russia’s chair, all ‘without losing a single US soldier’. On the other hand, if Russia does not take it all, in 5 years or 10 NATO – if it’s still around – will be inveigling again to turn the remaining rump state into a battering ram. That’s the dilemma.
Thanks to Trond for the shout-out for my post, and I should acknowledge that half the title came from here, from a comment by nwwoods – ‘Losing is the new Winning’.

Posted by: Mark | Aug 11 2023 20:28 utc | 127

unimperator | Aug 11 2023 14:46 utc | 13 said
“Poland can move to western Ukraine, but RU will eventually attack them because Ukraine is not part of Nato. Regardless what sort of Anschluss deal Duda or Zelensky create or what they claim.”
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Poland might find itself with nobody taking up the Article 5 request. No point taking a disarmed conventional force to aid them, and as much as that would bacfire, going nuclear might be an even more onesided defeat for NATO. NATO missed its chance to disarm and partition Russia by 2006.
Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Aug 11 2023 17:27 utc | 69
There is a view that Russia might welcome Poland annexing the western Ukraine. If like me you expect a certain level of chaos when Ukraine collapses, it is possible that western Ukraine being under a stable regime [Poland and the EU – ha ha] avoids Russia having to occupy an area where the population will be anti-Russian, infested with nazis running and hiding, impoverished and armed. The EU will also need to pay for any rebuilding costs in its patch as well as supporting a failed economy and a large new population of refugees.
I very much doubt whether the same thoughts apply to Odessa and you will recall maybe that it was annexed to Greater Rumania in the years of occupation after the Rumanian Army immoluated itself capturing the city in 1941. Nevertheless should the USA/NATO move into that area now – well who could stop them? Obviously not good for Russia to have a NATO enclave in Odessa but maybe as part of the price of a wider peace and partition? Just speculating here. But maybe better to cede a point when your options to overturn a situation on the ground are unattractive.
Now you could argue that this would move NATO a few hundred miles east and that would be correct. You could also argue that by taking all of Ukraine east of the Dneiper that NATO would be shoved several hundreds miles west. De facto if not de jure.
Either as sort sort of deal or simply as events unfold, I have long thought that a fragmentation and partition of Ukraine is the most likely outcome here. The Korea solution is in my view laughable as it leaves Ukraine intact, mad, unstable and ready to re-arm and join NATO. No, I doubt there will be even a nation called Ukraine when this is all over.

Posted by: marcjf | Aug 11 2023 20:30 utc | 128

If and to the extent that Ukraine is on the ropes this time, then now is the time to put a shiv or shank into the regime in Kiev, not dithering, not taking “operational pauses” and otherwise giving one’s enemies plenty of time to regroup, recuperate and re-arm.
Make them fight everything, everywhere, all the time, all at once.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Aug 11 2023 20:42 utc | 129

Ukraine is not the place for a guerilla war. If you look at successful insurgencies since WWII (e.g. Vietnam, Yemen (several), Afghanistan, Zimbabwe) one thing that all of them have in common is a young population.
The median age in Yemen is a little over 19 years old. The median age in Ukraine was over 40, and that before the war (for a variety of reasons, refugees also skew young).

Posted by: Feral Finster | Aug 11 2023 20:46 utc | 130

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 11 2023 18:34 utc | 86
it is interesting that you ignore that people in the US are having trouble finding an affordable place to live, or enough to eat, when you claim the standard of living is so high.
In a lot of places, living in a normal way is expensive. People set up for their current income level and can not easily handle a decline in income. That is often a bigger problem than the absolute level of income.

Posted by: Jmaas | Aug 11 2023 20:56 utc | 131

@ Milites | Aug 11 2023 20:09 utc | 122
One can go to any country in the world and find a significant number of people who consider themselves Marxist. I haven’t been to every country, and I know it’s anecdotal, but in all the countries I’ve visited, I’ve never encountered anyone who professed to be Militesist…

Posted by: zeke2u | Aug 11 2023 20:58 utc | 132

Posted by: John Merryman | Aug 11 2023 16:36 utc | 50
One thing to consider is that Europe has lots of natural divisions […] Which the central Asian steppes don’t have, so there is much more of a networking effect amongst the various ethnicities, which is why Russia can function as a nation in ways the Europeans can’t fathom.
People who live in wide open territories end up being warlike because offense is easier than defense. Areas of that sort include the Americans Great Plains, a large part of Arabia, and the southern region of Russia. All those areas have or had aggressive tribal people.

Posted by: Jmaas | Aug 11 2023 20:59 utc | 133

If a properly run plebiscite were run today the Russians would end up with all the regions they have taken with the exception of Kerson. They will have to take more land so that they can negotiate land access to Crimea through Kerson and run a gerimandered plebiscite across the south.
The Ukrainians will come to their senses if the West dumps them.
Posted by: ATM | Aug 11 2023 19:02 utc | 101

You are spouting NSA/CIA/MI6/NATO CRAP!
Your post implies that the Russians did not properly solicit the opinions of the people of Kherson, Zaporizhe, Donetsk, and Luhansk regions.
FYI Russia does not give a DAMN WHAT YOU THINK!!
Under Russian Law, these territories are part of Russia…..
Which specifically means…
Russia is obligated to expell the NAZIS from them…
OR….
NUKE NATO….
TO GET THEM BACK!!
CAPISCHE???
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 11 2023 21:01 utc | 134

“(a few hastily written new laws), allow an estimated 1Million Ukrainian men of fighting age and health currently hiding in Poland to loose their “Refugee” status and be drafted into the Military.
Copymaker33 | Aug 11 2023 19:04 utc | 102
I’m sure that if the Polish/Ukrainian condominium were to say “OK boys, vacation’s over, time to sign up and see the Front!” all those male refugees would dutifully troop off to the nearest recruiting post.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Aug 11 2023 21:01 utc | 135

Poland might find itself with nobody taking up the Article 5 request. No point taking a disarmed conventional force to aid them, and as much as that would bacfire, going nuclear might be an even more onesided defeat for NATO. NATO missed its chance to disarm and partition Russia by 2006.
Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Aug 11 2023 17:27 utc | 69
The idea that Poland would move into western Ukraine without having first gotten a clear understanding of how far NATO will go is not too likely, what say?

Posted by: Feral Finster | Aug 11 2023 21:04 utc | 136

unimperator | Aug 11 2023 14:46 utc | 13 said
“Poland can move to western Ukraine, but RU will eventually attack them because Ukraine is not part of Nato. Regardless what sort of Anschluss deal Duda or Zelensky create or what they claim.”

The Unitary state of Belarus and Russia will drive the Poles out of Ukrainian territory
BECAUSE….
Presence of Polish forces in western Ukraine essentially puts Belarus into a pocket with NATO forces on it’s Southern, Western, and Northern borders.
In which case NATO/BALTS/POLAND could via a lightining strike chop off the western half of Belarus… including the newly activated Nuclear Power Plant… which NATO covets…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 11 2023 21:05 utc | 137

It is strange that Russia still doesn’t widely use cluster bombs.

Posted by: simplex | Aug 11 2023 21:07 utc | 138

122 – I thought he was supposed to have scrounged off the capitalist Engels. Though arguably by being a capitalist, Engels had some actual insights into the workings of capital.
Strip an individual of agency in their own life? Well, the male army-age inhabitants of 404 who have the moolah to exercise such agency flee west – it is the ones who do not have such agency who are fed into the Russian guns and missiles.
It’s the political right that thinks “greed is good”, though. This post-Soviet idea fuelled and still fuels mafiosi and oligarchs. The Kiev officials who take bribes and enrich themselves to let males escape conscription are actually the ultimate expression of Western capitalism. One of the many contradictions of this business, of course…

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 11 2023 21:09 utc | 139

Russia has nine months to destroy all AFU hangers and disrupt airfields before F16s arrive. Repeated cluster munitions are very capable of disrupting movement.

Posted by: Jason | Aug 11 2023 21:11 utc | 140

It seems like the Ukrainian armed forces were caught napping when it came to understanding the Russian Federation’s defence capabilities. Looks like they underestimated the enemy and got a not-so-pleasant surprise during their counteroffensive. Oops!
According to a CNN article, Ukrainian soldiers were “caught off guard by their opponents’ impressive battlefield skills”. It’s almost like they were expecting a friendly game of chess instead of a high-stakes military operation. No wonder their counteroffensive fell short and is now being roasted for its lacklustre outcome. It’s safe to say they won’t be bragging about their strategy anytime soon.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 11 2023 21:13 utc | 141

142 – “Caught off guard by their opponents’ impressive battlefield skills”. Gosh, it’s like they started believing their own BS propaganda…

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 11 2023 21:19 utc | 142

Karlof says everybody should remember the 2021 Security Treaty…
Well, here it is:
https://www.lauriemeadows.info/conflict_security/SGTreatDec17-21.html
By the way, Dmitry Medvedev cryptically alluded to a settlement needing to be between Russia and USA.
You could also understand this as both a generalized EU security agreement (not a treaty, therefore renegable) and a US-Russia security Treaty.
A Treaty lodged with the UN, and forming part of international law.
As I have said before, it will be done, if done at all, just prior to the US Presidential election.
See how transparently self interested the US politicians are?

Posted by: Powerandpeople | Aug 11 2023 21:25 utc | 143

“And why should that be Belarus’s problem?”
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 11 2023 20:17 utc | 126
The reason is because Poland is removing the “Refugee” status of these million men now do they can be drafted into the Ukranian army. Better perhaps for Belarus they are Refugees in-country and not on their Southern border with weapons?

Posted by: Jerr | Aug 11 2023 21:27 utc | 144

ATM @ 101:
It was about this time last year that four oblasts in Ukraine held referenda on their futures and in all four oblasts most voters plumped for uniting with the Russian Federation. These oblasts were Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and … Kherson. The Russians accepted the results of these referenda.
The city of Kherson itself is still under Ukrainian occupation so the current seat of government for Kherson oblast is Genichesk near the border with Crimea.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Aug 11 2023 21:30 utc | 145

it is interesting that you ignore that people in the US are having trouble finding an affordable place to live, or enough to eat, when you claim the standard of living is so high.
Posted by: Jmaas | Aug 11 2023 20:56 utc | 132
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It’s not that interesting. I am not American so I don’t see everything through an American lens.
Do you think Americans have a better standard of living than many Africans? Bangladeshis? Kashmiris? Syrians? Mexicans?
I know that much of the food is of poor quality but America has an obesity problem, not a starvation problem.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 11 2023 21:45 utc | 146

Thanks again for the update b.
You wrote “But Kupyansk is a Russian city and people refuse to leave.”
This is exactelly the main reason why Russians are acting like they do and not more aggresively as some still ask here.

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Aug 11 2023 21:48 utc | 147

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 11 2023 18:40 utc | 91
«people in the US are having trouble finding an affordable place to live, or enough to eat»
In the USA those are not considered “people”, they are “losers”.
The servant (working) classes don’t matter politically, no party represents them and anyhow there is an enormous supply of servants from Central and South America, Africa and Asia.
«when you claim the standard of living is so high»
Indeed the standard of living of the masters (upper) and trusties (the dwindling numbers of professionals and managers) classes in the USA has been booming since Reagan, also as the prices of their real estate and stock share have been ballooning, thanks to massive government intervention in the market to keep them going up.
These people are devoted supports of the globalist/financialist factions of the R (e.g. Romney, Bush) and the D (Clinton, Gore, Obama, Biden), have faith in the NYT, WaPo, FBI, Fed, etc., as they know they are on their side, and support zealously using the ukrainians to regime change the “orcs”.
https://archive.org/details/dilbert-1989-sa-daily-comic-strips/Dilbert%201989%20SA%20Daily%20Comic%20Strips/mode/1up
Tuesday April 18, 1989
“Dogbert: I have decided to dedicate my life to the less fortunate.
Dilbert: That’s very noble of you, Dogbert. Will you be working with the homeless, or perhaps the hungry?
Dogbert: I thought I’d start with people who didn’t buy real estate in the 70’s … perhaps work my way up to that other stuff.”

Posted by: Blissex | Aug 11 2023 21:55 utc | 148

149 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4PE2hSqVnk
Alec Baldwin’s speech is the ethos of the USA to the core. In the context of the film it is in fact self-defeating – two of the salesmen become desperate enough to rip off the firm they work for.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 11 2023 22:08 utc | 149

We should be so lucky in the US.
⚡️Microsoft has sent a message to all business clients in russia to terminate their subscriptions, – rossmedia.
It is known that the final date for the renewal of licences was 30 September.
It should be recalled that back in March 2022, Microsoft announced that it was suspending all new sales of products and services in Russia.

Posted by: Milton | Aug 11 2023 22:13 utc | 150

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 11 2023 21:13 utc | 142
That’s two entries to ‘Skirting the Issue’, by CNN, bald tyres and now an enemy who improves after one and a half years of combat. Surely the other news organisations can’t just let the Clown News Network runaway with the title, there was a half-hearted effort to blame vegetation by HMG, but come on guys, show some initiative!
Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 11 2023 21:09 utc | 140
Yup, but mainly scrounged off his parents, constantly asked for more, prompting his mum to write the classic line, ‘I wish you spent more time acquiring capital than writing about it’, lived off their inheritance, when they died before deciding inheritance was immoral. So a weak, hypocritical scrounger who saw his parents as personal financiers, no wonder he’s the poster boy for the trust-fund revolutionaries.
Posted by: zeke2u | Aug 11 2023 20:58 utc | 133
In the same way I guess that none of the self-proclaimed Communist countries that collapsed ever practiced real Communism, according to its remaining fervent supporters.
Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 11 2023 21:09 utc | 140
So gangs are a solely Western invention? The Soviet Union was riddled with crime, top to bottom, and the Government actively conspired with organised criminals, who they used as an adjunct to their police state. ‘Greed is good’ is a cheesy line in a movie directed by a Left Wing Director, Not a Conservative belief, just as the Russians in Rambo III were probably not spokes people for Soviet policy regarding Afghanistan.
As for Ukrainian conscripts, it does not matter how shitty the cards you are dealt you always have a choice in how to play them, limited, yes, shitty, undoubtably but there is always a choice. Telling individuals their situation is none of their fault removes their ability to try to change it, having to rely solely on people they have no control over. It does seem strange that the professional Left endlessly talk about slavery and colonialism but seem quite happy ‘enslaving’ the poor for their own ends and telling non-white people how they should behave, and what they should believe.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 11 2023 22:15 utc | 151

So that’s that. The mighty US RepubliDem Wurlitzer will now conveniently forget about Ukraine, find a way to declare victory and pivot full-on to threatening China, perhaps most significantly in Outer Space, and the profiteering will continue.
More profits will be made in the construction of Climate-Controlled Living Space for those who will have profited, the self-appointed “Elites” and their minions, from where to continue to exploit everything everywhere forever. So it goes in the West as the new/old Sun rises in the East.

Posted by: triplethink | Aug 11 2023 22:18 utc | 152

@Ahenobarbus | 25
“For thousands of years now religion has been endorsed by the elite to encourage docility in the population. The fundamental idea that this world is nothing and you’ll get your rewards after death–a Greek stoic concept, until amalgamated with Jewish messianism in Roman Alexandria–is a key idea in promoting such docility.
…The first step to solving the problem is class consciousness. Everyone that depends on a wage to survive is a slave to the billionaires. Not only do they enslave us economically but mentally as well, with their media, schools and shit culture…Next step is to eliminate the master and his system of oppression, capitalism.”
Materialist Ideologies are a dead end (literally). Class consciousness is just a cover for a gnostic religion without reference to the divine. By it’s very nature as a materialist faith it will always elevate the collective and dismiss the individual as an mere artifact. It’s the reason why all these sorts of ideologies end up in mass murder.
Russia exhaustively explored this approach as did the national socialists. The Russians learned from the experience and wisely are headed in a different direction. Not sure what the Germans learned.
“Everyone that depends on a wage is a slave…”.
When you deprive people of property and freedom all they are left with is a wage. All flavors of socialism seek to do this to one degree or another. Every child should be taught about the nature of business and the need and difficulty of profit making. The vast majority will find it too much trouble and will prefer to hook up with someone who will write them a check every week. There is nothing wrong with that but it is important to recognize the constraints you are accepting.
Labor does not create wealth except perhaps in a near subsistence agrarian economy. Before you can return to that you will need to murder 7-8 Billion people.
The enemy of my liberties and well being today is corporatism. As with most things in the “modern” age, the definition of capitalism has been redefined away from “free enterprise” to “Corporatism”. Corporatism is just another form of collectivism.
As to “For thousands of years now religion has been endorsed by the elite to encourage docility” – I would argue that view is a misreading of history and is certainly not reflective of today where most states that are intent on tyranny are trying to destroy religion because it is an obstacle to the tyrants wish to control your mind.
Religion as the “opiate of the masses” kind of thing seems to be a relatively new thing – perhaps 300 years and a unique time in history. Wasn’t it Gibbon in “Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire” who argued that it was Christianity that destroyed Rome because the Christians avoided service in the Army.
I suppose we could argue about it endlessly. Suffice it to say, I reject your premise about religion and economy.

Posted by: danf51 | Aug 11 2023 22:22 utc | 153

Do you think Americans have a better standard of living than many Africans? Bangladeshis? Kashmiris? Syrians? Mexicans?
I know that much of the food is of poor quality but America has an obesity problem, not a starvation problem.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 11 2023 21:45 utc | 147
I am not dealing here with fair or sensible or just, only the way people really are. In essentially any population, the acceptable lining standard tends to be a little more than they are actually making. The standard in Africa is going to be whatever is common in Africa. What people do a lot is they take their own idea of what an adequate income is and project it on to humanity. If you don’t fill people in in advance that they are poor, they are apt not to know it.

Posted by: Jmaas | Aug 11 2023 22:25 utc | 154

“The overall geopolitical contest has become far more complex than the SMO’s announced goals”.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 11 2023 15:17 utc | 22
Exactly my observations. The terms demilitarisation and denazification need recontextualising 18 months after setting out. Russia’s initial approx 120k of troops and superior weaponry and tactics against an AFU of maybe 300k seemed quite feasible at the time. But the extra Kiev forces and NATO support have escalated that mission 5-fold.
Denazification was initially to de-Azov the AFU. But the cancer obviously runs far deeper — into Bankova and all its RoW sympathathisers. It has morphed into universal Russophobia on so many fronts.
So mission creep and the hybrid war (sanctions) now makes the SMO just a small part of the big geopolitical picture.

Posted by: SCCC | Aug 11 2023 22:27 utc | 155

NATO sorceress Vicky Nuland’s ability to persuade countries with pallets of cash in support of NATO proxy wars against their own interest will end when the dollar loses reserve currency status. Peace will reign when China embargoes exports to the US and EU and empty store shelves bring regime change in the West.

Posted by: Willow | Aug 11 2023 22:28 utc | 156

It seems to me to be fairly straight forward objective for Russia now. They will take the ground that surrounds the major cities, Kharkiv, Zaporozhye, Odessa and Dnipropetrovsk. Then they will offer terms because they don’t want to destroy civilians and the infrastructure. The Chechens are now operating about 50 kilometres SE of Zaporozhye, I know this because that is where I am and the constant rain of rockets and missiles is unbelievable. The Russians are not yet on the move in this area but they are clearing the path.
I understand that offering terms will not succeed so heaven help us.

Posted by: Bluedog57 | Aug 11 2023 22:39 utc | 157

Posted by: TG | Aug 11 2023 13:56 utc | 8
“Help, these vile disgusting THIRD WORLDERS are INVADING my country. All we did was steal all their shit and make their countries into unlivable hellholes during the cold war, what gives??”
I hope you already figured out who will pick the tomatoes for 3 dollars an hour, twelve hours a day, once you have stopped the “invasion”(lmao) because it sure as shit wont be anybody calling themselves “real” americans.

Posted by: Hrughus | Aug 11 2023 22:46 utc | 158

Nervous German @ 12
“While Ukraine becomes cold product as we speak, Poland and the Baltic chihuahuas are being positioned.”
Do you mean, positioned for destruction?
Or for being dragged into the Ukraine debacle?

Posted by: Jane | Aug 11 2023 22:47 utc | 159

@113 shadowloser
I agree with that, west of it seems to have poor road systems which would channel attacks into a turkey shoot.
Pushing west would need a much larger offensive across a lot of the northern Ukrainian border to make progress. They did good there initially but without taking Kharkov it’s basically impossible.
Kharkov would need to be attacked from the south and east as well which russia only did from the east before.
So then that means donetsk needs to be secure before an advance there.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 11 2023 22:50 utc | 160

I hope you already figured out who will pick the tomatoes for 3 dollars an hour…
Posted by: Hrughus | Aug 11 2023 22:46 utc | 159
That is an easy one. The people who will pick tomatoes for 3 dollars an hour are still down in Mexico. Ain’t gonna happen up here, and it hasn’t been happening. At least not where I live.

Posted by: Jmaas | Aug 11 2023 22:57 utc | 161

My question is, why has the West in general and the US in particular given up on Ukraine?
Dreizin pointed this out but Ukraine’s destroyed equipment is not being replaced meaning military collapse by early next year even with the seeming political will in Ukraine to continue the fight.
Anybody have any ideas? Other fish to fry, inability…

Posted by: Tom Ernest Weiss | Aug 11 2023 23:18 utc | 162

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 11 2023 21:01 utc | 135
Wel, they appear to be losing (minor) parts 3 of the 4 oblasts right now. They have been making gains in that 4th one.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 11 2023 23:22 utc | 163

Posted by: Librarian | Aug 11 2023 13:21 utc | 2
“My thesis is that “The Process for Peace and conciliation is UNDERSTANDING,”
You may wish to check into the Congress Of Policy Debate (CongressOfDebate.com) and download the book describing its operations, a means to promote public understanding of all viewpoints on policy issues.

Posted by: Sam F | Aug 11 2023 23:33 utc | 164

@TG (8)
“1. My country – the United States – is being invaded by the third world, and my government is not only not stopping this, it is actively promoting it.”
They wouldn’t be here, if we hadn’t been there. Wake up, man, we are reaping what we have sowed. The same holds for Europe. Just deal with it.

Posted by: Rob | Aug 11 2023 23:35 utc | 165

“As I have said before, it will be done, if done at all, just prior to the US Presidential election. See how transparently self interested the US politicians are?”
Posted by: Powerandpeople | Aug 11 2023 21:25 utc | 144
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Ha! My projection is that it will happen soon AFTER a Trump win in 2024. That is the pattern.
President starts a war. Gets public approval. War turns bad. Public opinion swings.
Presidential hopeful attacks the war and the warring President, promising an end if elected. That is Trump’s MO atm.

Posted by: SCCC | Aug 11 2023 23:37 utc | 166

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 11 2023 16:24 utc | 43

Perhaps you might be interested in The War in Paraguay, published in 1869 and available at The Internet Archive. I became aware of this title only because I happened to proofread some of it at Distributed Proofreaders (a volunteer organization that takes old books and prepares the material for conversion to assorted electronic formats).

Posted by: David Levin | Aug 11 2023 23:42 utc | 167

I have a question. Just read on RT that Scott Ritter is now banned on Utube. So I tried to find “Ask the Inspector”, Scott Ritter’s program, and got a notice that it is not available. Period.
Tried another listing with his name and it came up in Russian, I think.
Is this the case, and where to go to find new postings by Scott Ritter, who always has an interesting and informed take on world affairs.
Will his interviews on other programs also be banned (Judging Freedom, for instance)?
I have never used Twitter….is it an option? Don’t have time tonight to hunt around for old shows, wonder about them….
any one???

Posted by: medo | Aug 11 2023 23:46 utc | 168

@163 Tom
US interest payments are going exponential with rising rates and exploding debt levels. They can’t print much more without threatening social stability. Hence the downturn on Ukrainian funding.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 11 2023 23:54 utc | 169

In which case NATO/BALTS/POLAND could via a lightining strike chop off the western half of Belarus… including the newly activated Nuclear Power Plant… which NATO covets…
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 11 2023 21:05 utc | 138
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The other aspect people forget, simply look on a map, and Belarus is the shortest route to Moscow.

Posted by: crazycanuck | Aug 11 2023 23:55 utc | 170

An addendum to my post @67 – If I am not mistaken government and military salaries as well as the pension system are all being supported by the west. If this support is terminated the government will fall. Ukraine must continue the war until the west decides what price they are willing to pay to end it. Likely Russia is intending to exploit this situation and will not agree to terms unless/until their objectives are achieved. I am thinking the conflict will be resolved within a year’s time given the current state of play.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 11 2023 23:57 utc | 171

Posted by: danf51 | Aug 11 2023 22:22 utc | 154
Religion is also attacked because it seeks to limit those who strive endlessly for more power. Any constraint to this goal is not only unacceptable but a threat to their to very existence. How can they enjoy their power fully if they know something is above them that exerts more power in their subjects lives than they can ever command. It reminds me of the Chinese fable of the rock-cutter who always wants to be the most powerful entity, ending up as a humble rock cutter; however our ‘elites’ are immune to the moral as they are personifications of ignorance.
To those posters who have quite rightly pointed out that the majority of countries, affected by this latest iteration of totalitarianism, are either uncaring, ignorant or too cowed to offers any resistance, I would only offer this reply, ‘when did the majority ever lead the way’. One of histories greatest cruelties is that it beguiles us into thinking rare events occur with a far greater frequency, leading to unrealistic expectations, unfulfilled demands and eventual resignation and despair. Another reason religion is so feared, it sustains hope (itself often an illogical emotion) just when the material realist, or logical positivist, has concluded the safest, rational course is to act as though there is none.
Posted by: Hrughus | Aug 11 2023 22:46 utc | 159
The Cold-War ended in 1991, what have they been doing for the last 32 years?

Posted by: Milites | Aug 12 2023 0:01 utc | 172

The overall geopolitical contest has become far more complex than the SMO’s announced goals.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 11 2023 15:17 utc | 22
Bingo – nail on head.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 12 2023 0:06 utc | 173

Alexander Mercouris and Larry Johnson both expresses disagreement with Scott Ritter on his Gonzalo Lira accusations.
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 11 2023 18:43 utc | 92
And others do… Sounds as if a lot was going on behind the scenes.
George Szamuely and Peter Lavelle sat down for another one of our regular conversations with intelligence analyst Scott Ritter. Among the topics covered was the strange and troubling case of the arrest, release, re-arrest, re-release, re-re-arrest of Gonzalo Lira.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ULEjg6hMStU&pp=ygUXdGhlIGdhZ2dsZSBzY290dCByaXR0ZXI%3D
Every confirmation bias is a revenue stream.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 12 2023 0:14 utc | 174

Re: Posted by: Powerandpeople | Aug 11 2023 21:25 utc | 144
It will never be done. There will never be a treaty/agreement . Russia is tearing up most everything with the EU now and will continue, as they are worthless and have restraints on Russia in them. All US arms treaty, even START are unobserved by both.
Someday, US may take their toys & leave Ukraine, without any agreement at all. Like Afghanistan. Zelensky and crowd will go to their mansions. They’ll never reach any agreement and since Russia is UNSC member, impossible for UN to do more than have a meaningless resolution. The Novorrosyia & Crimea will remain internationally unrecognized as Russian provinces, and the rest of Ukraine will disintegrate into clan territories run by war lords of Corporate interests.
Ukraine will cease to exist as a Nation State… so therefore, no peace agreement.
EU/US will never roll back NATO to 1997 Borders, so, no 2021 agreement there. Every passing decade the West will become weaker until their relevance is relegated to that currently of Argentina.
And there will be no WW either. Just continued proxies and terrorist plots .

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 12 2023 0:15 utc | 175

“Western media have finally change course. They are now admitting that the much promoted Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed.”
Someone should probably tell these guys then:
“Callie Abbott @ DGV”
Dear Fellow Investor,
The Ukrainians just shot down six “unstoppable” Russian missiles.
And if you think that’s impressive, wait till you find out HOW they did it.
With the world’s first “A.I. kill chain.”
The Washington Post says, “It’s a big reason David is beating Goliath.”
And few people outside of military circles seem to know about the small company behind it.
Get all the details here>>> (yeah, pass)
“The Buck Stops Here”
LOL. I wish it would, but every time I unsubscribe (never subscribed to begin with)it keeps coming back under a new name. Seriously, if Ukraine was as persistent as these spammers they’d be unbeatable.

Posted by: ebear | Aug 12 2023 0:28 utc | 176

Some music to celebrate Russia’s defeat of the imperialist counteroffensive!
The Sacred War by the Soviet Men’s Choir…with English translation.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 11 2023 15:42 utc | 32
My favorite images for the song (and the title, Guerra Sagrada en Crimea)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QELap5eM-e0&t=24s
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 11 2023 16:34 utc | 49
Thanks for this, Piotr. Beautiful!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 12 2023 0:55 utc | 177

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 11 2023 18:50 utc | 94
“Does the bar generally believe that Putin … is willing to go to war with NATO directly?”
Putin doesn’t have much more “freewill” than others. His advantage is from being better prepared to take the path forced upon him. When Donbass republics requested that Russia militarily protect them from the Ukrainian invasion force on their border, and going to head to Crimea, Putin had SMO prepared and troops and equipment in place. He had no choice but to begin SMO.
Putin, based on my limited knowledge and understanding, doesn’t want to go to war directly with NATO; however, I’m sure that he is well prepared if that course is forced upon him.
Zelenski’s dramatic final scene was scripted before he accepted his current role. His only option to avoid it is to get captured by the Russian forces. Putin told Bennet that he wouldn’t kill Zelenski, and Zelenski believed him.

Posted by: barstool | Aug 12 2023 0:57 utc | 178

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 11 2023 18:43 utc | 92
By the way I’ve got no dog in this fight. The truth will come out one day. George Szamuely and Peter Lavelle ain’t shy about telling you what they think that’s for sure.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 12 2023 1:02 utc | 179

Librarian, Thank you for this. Looks terrific, initial reads very good. A keeper. Appreciate your work.

https://library4conciliation.substack.com/p/index-page-for-short-asian-histories
My thesis is that “The Process for Peace and conciliation is UNDERSTANDING,”
Posted by: Librarian | Aug 11 2023 13:21 utc | 2

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Aug 12 2023 1:18 utc | 180

“When you deprive people of property and freedom all they are left with is a wage. All flavors of socialism seek to do this to one degree or another.” danf51@154
There really is no end to the audacity of the capitalist class and its ideologists: it was it which deprived the people of the property which was the basis of their independence and freedom. You might want to ask a Mohawk how he came to lose his share of the lands he inherited from his ancestors. Or maybe an Irishman could explain. Or an Englishman- capitalism was founded on the theft of the commons and their transformation into private property. Bereft of the means to support himself the victim of capital was driven to sell his labour power- hence the wage.
To blame this on socialism, a reaction to this larceny, is to push back the frontiers of idiocy.
“Every child should be taught about the nature of business and the need and difficulty of profit making. The vast majority will find it too much trouble and will prefer to hook up with someone who will write them a check every week. There is nothing wrong with that but it is important to recognize the constraints you are accepting.” danf51@154
Do you really believe that this is an explanation of the wealth and power of a few and the poverty and impotence of the many? If so how do you account for the geographical distribution of wealth? And the way in which it passes from generation to generation?
Is it genetics?
I can’t believe that I just spent ten minutes commenting on your jejune rehashing of fascist, posing as libertarian, talking points. The worst of it that you are probably quite unaware of what you are.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 12 2023 1:23 utc | 181

Re: “Putin told Bennet that he wouldn’t kill Zelenski, and Zelenski believed him.”
Posted by: barstool | Aug 12 2023 0:57 utc | 179
Says lying Bennet. Bennet was and always will be a liar.
Putin never had any conversation, would not or will not have “assassination” conversations with a known treacherous “ally”. He said that in an interview to make himself seem important, that Putin & him were so close, he confided in him so he wouldn’t have to “worry” about Zelensky & he could tell his other pal, Zelensky, my other pal, Putin won’t kill you.
Bennet was desperate for attention & to look like an important international influencer. Sad really.
Anyone that’s watched even 2-3 videos of Putin would know, a “conversation” like that would never happen, completely out of his character.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 12 2023 1:32 utc | 182

RE: crazycanuck | Aug 11 2023 23:55 utc |

The other aspect people forget, simply look on a map, and Belarus is the shortest route to Moscow.

Another look on a map will tell you that Belarus has a hell of a terrain for a blitzkrieg.

Posted by: scanalyse | Aug 12 2023 1:59 utc | 183

To: medo | Aug 11 2023 23:46 utc |
Try https://www.scottritterextra.com

Posted by: scanalyse | Aug 12 2023 2:12 utc | 184

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 12 2023 1:32 utc | 183

Is that why Israel bombs Damascus weekly and Russian S-300 and S-400 are nowhere to be seen?

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 12 2023 2:18 utc | 185

… again;
https://www.scottritterextra.com/

Posted by: scanalyse | Aug 12 2023 2:18 utc | 186

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 11 2023 22:08 utc | 150
That scene with Alec Baldwin is the best example of a master closer ever in film.
Arrogance often is a trait of such individuals.

Posted by: morongobill | Aug 12 2023 2:18 utc | 187

If I were Poland I would maintain a public belligerent stance against Russia while in the background would be cutting a deal that includes what the Russians want in exchange for the Ukraine lands. Russia has already quietly nodded to the idea, doubt they would do so unless they had been chatting with the Poles. It reduces any future power of Ukraine and hands the worst of the Nazis to Poland to deal with.
Also think Russia only wants the lands it has gained by referendum, Odessa would be nice but it is still a prime bargaining chip for a Ukrainian peace as they keep a port. If no negotiation then they will take it.

Posted by: Organic | Aug 12 2023 2:24 utc | 188

Scott Ritter on Rumble
https://rumble.com/c/c-1744631

Posted by: scanalyse | Aug 12 2023 2:25 utc | 189

Labor does not create wealth except perhaps in a near subsistence agrarian economy.

Incorrect. Something having “value” really means that it exists in a particular desirable from a human perspective state of low entropy.
The sources of negative entropy are natural resources and labor. Yes, the latter is also ultimately derived from converted sunlight and stuff we dig up from the ground, but it is still essential as a separate direct input.

Corporatism is just another form of collectivism.
Posted by: danf51 | Aug 11 2023 22:22 utc | 154

That’s just silly.
When has corporatism worked for anything but the interests of a handful of people? Collectivism does.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 12 2023 2:32 utc | 190

Posted by: Jmaas | Aug 11 2023 22:25 utc | 155
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That is an interesting cope for colonialist ideas.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 12 2023 2:36 utc | 191

Posted by: barstool | Aug 12 2023 0:57 utc | 179
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I’ve mellowed with age, and no longer wish to see Zelensky tried on TV after being hauled through a crowd of Donbass residents.
Regardless, it would be interesting to read the spin if he is captured by the Russians.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 12 2023 2:38 utc | 192

Whys is life so cheap nowadays.
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 11 2023 18:54 utc | 96

Supply and Demand?
Seriously,though, if we’re in the middle of the beginning of 21st Century Resource Wars, that suggests that too many people are chasing too few things, lowering the price of people. And killing some of yours and some of theirs to get some things solves two of your problems at once.

Posted by: shoemaker | Aug 12 2023 2:40 utc | 193

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 12 2023 1:32 utc | 183
The reason that I give it some creditability is that Zelenski was hiding in his basement at that time. The next morning, he crawled out of his basement and gave his “I am not afraid” speech, and changed his behavior. Regardless of if Putin had actually said it, Zelenski appeared to believe it.
I haven’t read to the end of the script, but I doubt that Putin says, “Zelenski, I am your father.”

Posted by: barstool | Aug 12 2023 2:40 utc | 194

So gangs are a solely Western invention? The Soviet Union was riddled with crime, top to bottom, and the Government actively conspired with organised criminals, who they used as an adjunct to their police state.

Incorrect. The Soviets inherited prison gangs from Tsarist Russia, and never managed to get rid of them. And yes, they used them to repress the political prisoners, but ultimately they would have rather not had to deal with them at all.
Those prison gangs exploded out in the open after the USSR collapsed, plus the new phenomenons of gopniks, ethnic mafias, etc. also mushroomed.
But during Soviet times the average person on the street had absolutely nothing to worry about in terms of personal safety. Yes, some people got killed and raped (and occasionally eaten) but it was at the low level below which it is impossible to drive it down, because a fraction of humans are always going to be psychopaths and there will always be family conflicts that escalate to serious violence.
Many of the other Eastern Bloc countries didn’t even have prison gangs.
Also, even in Tsarist times the prison gangs were mostly that — a prison thing. The thieves would operate outside the prisons too, but there were no Bloods and Crips, let alone the much more advanced Latin American state-within-a-state organizations.

‘Greed is good’ is a cheesy line in a movie directed by a Left Wing Director, Not a Conservative belief, just as the Russians in Rambo III were probably not spokes people for Soviet policy regarding Afghanistan.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 11 2023 22:15 utc | 152

Art imitates life, which then imitates art, and so on.
It may have been a line in the movie, it has certainly been taken very seriously by many since then. And before the movie too — plenty of sentiments of precisely that sort were openly expressed by economists and libertarian ideologies starting from the 1960s and 1970s.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 12 2023 2:42 utc | 195

Whys is life so cheap nowadays.
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 11 2023 18:54 utc | 96

Supply and Demand?
Seriously,though, if we’re in the middle of the beginning of 21st Century Resource Wars, that suggests that too many people are chasing too few things, lowering the price of people. And killing some of yours and some of theirs to get some things solves two of your problems at once.
Posted by: shoemaker | Aug 12 2023 2:40 utc | 194

Precisely.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 12 2023 2:43 utc | 196

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 12 2023 1:32 utc | 183
The reason that I give it some creditability is that Zelenski was hiding in his basement at that time. The next morning, he crawled out of his basement and gave his “I am not afraid” speech, and changed his behavior. Regardless of if Putin had actually said it, Zelenski appeared to believe it.
I haven’t read to the end of the script, but I doubt that Putin says, “Zelenski, I am your father.”
Posted by: barstool | Aug 12 2023 2:40 utc | 195

Exactly, the story is corroborated by publicly known facts.
But, as I have said many times, that was outright treasonous from Putin. As far as we know, he never withdrew that guarantee either, despite the countless crimes against humanity ever since. He could have at least used that threat to get some relief for the Donetsk civilians, i.e. stop the terror bombing or we will take you out. But no, elites don’t touch other elites (never mind that the other side did in fact try to assassinate Putin on multiple occasions) while the peasants can eat a steady die of cluster shells.
Also, it is very telling about the current situation that Putin hasn’t left Russia since December and doesn’t look like he plans to any time soon (because it is not safe for him to do so, and I don’t mean the ICC arrest warrant — MANPADS are easy to hide and position anywhere), while Zelensky is touring the world without much of a care for his safety.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 12 2023 2:49 utc | 197

The US media will never report a Russian military victory. They will simply pivot and change the subject and move on to another war with China or Niger.
Orwell had this dynamic exactly right.

Posted by: bill wolfe | Aug 12 2023 2:56 utc | 198

Also think Russia only wants the lands it has gained by referendum, Odessa would be nice but it is still a prime bargaining chip for a Ukrainian peace as they keep a port. If no negotiation then they will take it.
Posted by: Organic | Aug 12 2023 2:24 utc | 189

Odessa isn’t a nice-to-have, it is an absolute must-have. Crimea controls the Black Sea but only if its flanks are secure, and that means you need to also control Odessa. You can see it now — it’s daily attacks on Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet has largely become the Sevastopol and Novorossiysk fleet, i.e. battleships stay in the harbors and rarely venture out.
But from here on referendums won’t do.
If you have fair such referendums now, only Odessa will likely go Russia’s way and even that is not certain. Not even Kharkov and Nikolaev — people are too afraid after a year and a half of Nazi death squads running around freely and eight years of repression prior to that, and they have also been exposed to non-stop 24/7 viciously anti-Russian propaganda all that time. Because it is a great idea to allow that to happen unimpeded in any way for so long when you are fighting an existential war not just for territory but also for hearts and minds.
However, if regions spend half a year under Russian rule and people are given some time to recover from the stress and the propaganda, that will change (Kherson was actually the least pro-Russian region in Novorossiya and yet there were few issues there last year in terms of resistance). Still, it will be only Odessa, Kharkov and Nikolaev that go Russian without much trouble.
There are two generations raised as Banderites in much of the rest of Ukraine, and that will take iron fisted repression for decades to root out. But there is no other choice from the perspective of Russia. Which, unfortunately, is not the same as that of Russian elites…

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 12 2023 3:00 utc | 199

Re: Posted by: barstool | Aug 12 2023 2:40 utc | 195
Well, again… Bennett story came out in Feb 2023 when he was in a re-election process. He stated “in the early days” or rather start of SMO, such and such. So, in other words, a nice hindsight story. Who knows why or even if Zelensky came out of the basement with his bravo, I’m a man.. speech? There’s certainly more than just Putin that would want him eliminated. That’s why everyone & every leader had to run over there, meet, pick up their theft kickback $$$, pay homage, and get their next orders from the US/UK for over a year. The first year the dough was over pouring, folks couldn’t wait to fly into the trough, it was important to keep him alive, now, not so much…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 12 2023 3:17 utc | 200