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August 19, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: Chernihiv Drone Exhibition – Russian Offensive

This morning at around 10:00 local time a Russian missile hit the drama theater in Chernihiv, some 150 kilometer north of Kiev:

"Five people died," Ukrainian Interior Minister Igor Klymenko said about the Chernihiv attack on Telegram. "Thirty-seven people were wounded, including 11 children."

Zelensky said the attack hit "in the center of the city" in a square that houses a "polytechnic university, a theatre".

"An ordinary Saturday, which Russia turned into a day of pain and loss," the Ukrainian leader said after he had arrived in Sweden.

He posted a video from the scene that showed debris around a large Soviet-era building, with parked cars around it that were partially destroyed, with smashed roofs and windows blown out.

AFP reporters saw fire trucks outside the Taras Shevchenko Drama Theatre and Music Academy, which suffered some damage.

The Ukrainian news site Strana reported that the missile hit a conference and exhibition about drones (machine translation):

13:54 There was a comment from the organizer of the drone exhibition at the Chernihiv Drama Theater, which was the target of a Russian strike.

Recall that after the strike, it turned out that the announcement of the exhibition was published in advance. Because of this, the organizers of the exhibition in social networks were accused of actually pointing the missiles themselves, revealing information about the event in advance.

The organizer of the exhibition, a well-known volunteer Maria Berlinskaya, denies the charges. She says that information about the specific venue was not publicly available, and it was sent to participants a few hours before the start of the exhibition. She also says that as soon as the air raid alert started, the exhibition was stopped.

At the same time, judging from the message of Berlinskaya, some of the participants of the exhibition suffered from the impact, as after the alarm was announced, they went not to the shelter, but to the street.

This week the Ukrainian army committed its last reserve brigade with western equipment to its counter-offensive. It will get ground up just like the forces it is replacing. The furthest the counter-offensive has gone in total was in the south of Orkiv where it progressed some 12 kilometer. It took more than 72 days, and many losses of men and material, to get that far. Tokmak, an important traffic center that Ukraine would like to take, is still 12 kilometer away. It is also protected by several well build defensive lines which the Ukrainian forces will be unable to cross.


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On the second axis of the counter-offensive, south of Velyka Novosilka, the maximum progress is some 6 to 8 kilometer. Several small villages, now destroyed, were captured along the way. The number of lives lost during the fight is much bigger than the number of inhabitants those villages previously had.

The aim of the counter-offensive was to reach the Azov Sea or, if that was not possible, to go far enough to get all southern roads under artillery fire. The distance from the frontline to the sea as of June 5 was 100 kilometer. There are still 88 kilometer to go. But time is running out and all reserves have been committed.

Over the last week the Russian Defense Ministry reported on average 770 Ukrainian frontline casualties per day. The Ukrainian counter-offensive will likely culminate next week. It has reached is maximum potential and will now peter out.

That is the moment when the Russian army will go on the offensive. A sure sign of this was last night's visit of President Putin to Rostov-on-Don from where the 'special military operation' is controlled. General Gerasimov, the leader of the Russian military, and others briefed Putin about their plans.

I have no idea where or how large the Russian offensive will be, but two days ago the Belorussian President Lukashenko gave a hint of its potential size:

COMBATE |🇵🇷 – @upholdreality – 21:56 UTC · Aug 17, 2023

LUKASHENKO to Ukrainian reporter: "Your counteroffensive cost 45,000 people in dead and maimed. 45,000!.. Your losses are 1 to 8 at the frontline. And [Russia has] 250,000 people in reserve with cutting-edge hardware. You will be crushed… and the Poles rub their hands in glee. Pushed by the Americans, they will cut off the western regions… You have to take your head into your hands and act on the basis of reality. Act in the interests of this huge and beautiful territory."
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Here is a longer version of the Lukashenko video with close captioning and the complete interview which unfortunately has no close captioning.

Comments

Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Aug 20 2023 3:59 utc | 219 “Russia will destroy the 750 KV electricity grid”
That would be the 2023/2024 winter? So by April 1, 2024?
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 20 2023 9:45 utc | 296

Actually, I’d predict the 750 KV electricity grid will be destroyed by December 15, 2023. If later than this, General Winter won’t have time to work his magic and Russia will have to wait till after the Russian presidential election in March 2024 before starting an offensive.
So, I’ve made an easily falsifiable prediction. Kudos to Arch Bungle for showing his previous predictions (which I would also have agreed with at the time).

Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Aug 20 2023 10:07 utc | 301

About “predictions”
One of mine recently said that we would see three “big arrow attacks” by the Russians (by Wagner from the north, Sumy/bypassing both Kiev and Kharkiv, and from the south towards Dnipro), is not yet correct but is not yet wrong. The introduction of cluster munitions make BOTH attack and retreat much harder for both groups of forces. Infantry becomes very vulnerable, although some vehicles (tracked) will not be so affected.
It might be enough to make the Russians hesitate or to change tactics. (It favours rapid vehicle and tank movements over a wider front to diminish the extent of “infestation” that cluster munitions represent.
So will they or won’t they? The question is again open.
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A bit of a rant;
One of the problems with discussing “Marx (unfortunately not groucho)” and other older forms of ideology, and rightly being described as “boring” – is that they are not addressing the real culprits of the conflict in Ukraine.
What is the principal motive of the west? answer => The division and occupation of Russia (and Ukraine) for financial spoilation, and suppression of all that is counter to that objective.
So the one ideological form that most fulfills that objective is “Feudalism”. Where “corporations, Billionaires and Banks take the place of Dukes and the untouchable aristocracy.
Here is a quote for feudalism ; “A strictly hierarchical political and economic system in which land is granted in return for military or labour services.” (Oxford dictionary)
Taken largely this also refers to Vassal States, politicians (who belong 88% to Blackrock and other maxi fund ownership, acccording to some estimates), to multinationals (who also belong to the same people in about the same proportion). Where a single billionaire now can “own/earn” as much as three EU countries (Bezos) and others use their money as playthings to change actual social systems(Soros).
Note that the serfs and mercenaries/”police” (who are the means that make it possible to ensure the application of the rules established for the purpose of feudal overlordship) have to keep on giving indefinitely for it to be able to exist.
CapitalCorporateConglomerates. CCC
Rant over.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 20 2023 10:20 utc | 302

So, I’ve made an easily falsifiable prediction. Kudos to Arch Bungle for showing his previous predictions (which I would also have agreed with at the time).
Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Aug 20 2023 10:07 utc | 300
Yup, and you deserve kudos for that.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 20 2023 10:20 utc | 303

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 20 2023 8:50 utc | 285

…Of course proving his case is not important to shadowbore, his intent is to create smoke without fire; to raise the possibility of division within Russia and its institutions is the objective of his paymasters…

My guess is that you don’t truly believe the poster you refer to is getting paid for his posts and you are just expressing contempt. In fact, the idea is rather silly if you think about it.
How would you rate this blog in terms of readership? My guess is that it is certainly larger than, say, a web forum dedicated to basket-weaving of pine needles, but considerably less so than web communities centred around sports or automobiles. So, if the goal is to create division within Russian institutions, what would be the point of paying a regular contributor on a smallish English speaking website? By definition, wouldn’t it be better to seek both a larger and more focused audience? Popular Russian forums with off-topic threads about Ukraine would make far better media.
On a related note, the word troll is so often used and abused it has become ridiculous.
The original definition, as I have known it to be, was of someone posting deliberately inflammatory content to provoke an onslaught of angry responses.
That definition has shifted to describe a propagandist (presumably paid) manipulating readers via disinformation.
But what the word troll has come to mean is heretic. That is, a poster expressing a view that is vexing to hear to someone emotionally invested to a particular outlook.

Posted by: robin | Aug 20 2023 10:24 utc | 304

Wunderwaffen have arrived:
http://avia.pro/news/istrebitel-f-16-prizemlilsya-na-voennoy-aviabaze-na-ukraine
Истребитель F-16 приземлялся на украинские аэродромы, заявил командующий Воздушными силами Украины.

Posted by: Catilina | Aug 20 2023 10:26 utc | 305

What is the principal motive of the west?
Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 20 2023 10:20 utc | 301
This war does not exist because of a principal motive of “the west” since “the west,” generally speaking, does not benefit at all from it. Just look at last winter’s electricity bills in Sweden.
This war exists because of the principal motivation of global capital.
If we break this down very roughly this is a conflict between global and national capital where the working people are obliged to tactically take the side of national capital as the more closely aligned to them in the resistance against the hegemon. This should not lead us to identify with national capital.
/my uninformed rant over.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 20 2023 10:29 utc | 306

On a related note, the word troll is so often used and abused it has become ridiculous.
The original definition, as I have known it to be, was of someone posting deliberately inflammatory content to provoke an onslaught of angry responses.
That definition has shifted to describe a propagandist (presumably paid) manipulating readers via disinformation.
But what the word troll has come to mean is heretic. That is, a poster expressing a view that is vexing to hear to someone emotionally invested to a particular outlook.
Posted by: robin | Aug 20 2023 10:24 utc | 303
I fully agree.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 20 2023 10:32 utc | 307

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 20 2023 7:43 utc | 265
Since you cite BBC numbers, you might want to use the latest ones:
“Working with Mediazona and members of the Russian public sending tips, the BBC collated and verified deaths mentioned by local officials, in media reports or from relatives on social media.”
The number in the article is 25,000.
“And the count does not include the Russian-speaking separatists in the Donbas.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-829ea0ba-5b42-499b-ad40-6990f2c4e5d0
A month after the above article:
Independent Russian outlet Mediazona and BBC Russia confirmed the names of 30,003 Russian soldiers who were killed in the first 17 months of the full-scale invasion. They used open-source information and counted the dead name by name.
https://meduza.io/en/news/2023/08/11/bbc-and-mediazona-confirm-30-003-russian-soldiers-killed-in-ukraine
The DPR and LPR released official causality numbers for months after the start of the SMO which would add another 10,000?
For example:
In addition, the DPR confirmed that by 22 December 2022, 4,163 of their servicemen had been killed and 17,329 wounded.
https://eng.ombudsman-dnr.ru/the-overview-of-the-current-social-and-humanitarian-situation-in-the-territory-of-the-donetsk-peoples-republic-as-a-result-of-hostilities-in-the-period-17-and-23-december-2022/
In addition, if you just take ‘monthly’ numbers and extrapolate it gets very messy as it depends on the number of forces in action and that goes up and down. Even the modeling I’ve seen making estimates based on brigade sized units involved on a day weighted basis, with combat activities graded by different levels, that can turn up very different sets of numbers.
A side question: Has anyone seen anything on the number of Russians killed in accidents? That would be non combat deaths in the theater of operations. Typically this is also a sizeable number and is not counted as killed in action.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 20 2023 10:33 utc | 308

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 20 2023 10:29 utc | 305
“This war exists because of the principal motivation of global capital”.
OK with that, it is a much better definition. Rather than “what the west wants”..
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“If we break this down very roughly this is a conflict between global and national capital where the working people are obliged to tactically take the side of national capital as the more closely aligned to them in the resistance against the hegemon. This should not lead us to identify with national capital.”
but… “National capital” has already been bought in a large measure, and no longer seems available for the majority of “workers”. An exception is in places such as Niger, where the total rejection is the aim. Political change as well as including the monetary system.
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Off now. Prior commitments, sorry.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 20 2023 10:54 utc | 309

But what the word troll has come to mean is heretic. That is, a poster expressing a view that is vexing to hear to someone emotionally invested to a particular outlook.
Posted by: robin | Aug 20 2023 10:24 utc | 303
Expressing their heretical view is fine, expressing their heretical view in spite of clear evidence to the contrary, while using fallacies to prop up their own weak argument, and repeating ad nauseum despite said evidence presented to them, is a troll.

Posted by: James M. | Aug 20 2023 11:06 utc | 310

Wunderwaffen have arrived:

Posted by: Catilina | Aug 20 2023 10:26 utc | 304

YouTube recommended a video yesterday about some new NATO artillery wonder-shell, XM1155, claimed range of 120km or similar, strangely lacking in detail but it sounds a lot like the “Vulcano” shell:
https://www.baesystems.com/en/article/bae-systems-successfully-tests-guided-projectile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pYrChnv9vg
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/the-guided-ammunition-way-ahead-institut-saint-louis

As for artillery guided projectiles, which means Excalibur and Vulcano, their cost might vary from 70,000 to 150.000 US$”

That last article is interesting to see how Wunderwaffen developers think. If guided rocket ammunition was as cheap as the essential components and materials imply, they’d be out of luck developing ludicrously over-specified cannon shells, hence rocket ammunition is exactly as expensive as they need it to be.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 20 2023 11:20 utc | 311

There are rumors inside AFU that they have begun to freeze salaries of foreign mercenaries to encourage them to not run away.
https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1693224021712584913

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 20 2023 11:31 utc | 312

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 20 2023 11:20 utc | 310
A super-duper long range artillery (more than 40km) shell sounds basically useless, as the cost and difficulty of building it starts nearing that of a missile. I understand there are also rocket assisted shells, which may be ok in some case, like you don’t have a basic MLRS system.
But then again, all this stuff are compromises, better to just have regular artillery, regular MLRS, and regular tactical missiles and not make some Frankenstein.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 20 2023 11:36 utc | 313

Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 20 2023 8:03 utc | 273
Nothing flawed in my comparison. Texas is still part of the US so it doesn’t enter the equation at any point. Ukraine is a distinct state that has been colonized by the Anglo-American empire. The distinction is validated by the limited support towards the Donbass rebels in 2014 and Russia’s adherence to the Minsk Accords. Period.
The problem, one of the many in this confrontation with NATO, is that it provides a moral pedestal for the imperialists vis-a-vis the Ukrainians. That should not be the case, since they are the ones who have been plundering Ukraine of its material and human assets while pushing the country into national suicide.
And again, it is obvious why the anti-Russian side opted for this propaganda ploy. It is not okay for the pro-Russian side to do that, starting from the Russian authorities and media.
But then again, who knows, this may be your shtik. Maybe you think that the westerners who supported Yeltsin and literally gave him his fraudulent victory in 1996 were “pro-Russian”.

Posted by: Constantine | Aug 20 2023 11:40 utc | 314

Posted by: chasmark | Aug 19 2023 20:37 utc | 88
Don Bacon: They [DailyKos] have budget problems and Markos can’t handle it all.

Don’t rejoice too soon. Markos is CIA from way back and I’m sure he gets plenty of dark money while pleading poverty to his followers. Grauniad pulls the same trick.

Moon of Alabama would not even exist without Daily Kos.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Aug 19 2023 20:51 utc | 90

Worthwhile plants can grow out of sheep(le)shit.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 20 2023 11:51 utc | 315

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-47M2_Kinzhal
Why does Russia have a ‘dire need’ for strategic bombers if its hypersonic missiles are launched from a MIG 31?

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 20 2023 12:02 utc | 316

Earlier, I stated that Ukies are engaged in organ trafficing, apparently it’s much worse….
https://www.donbass-insider.com/2023/08/16/organ-trafficking-paedophile-networks-the-hell-of-children-abducted-by-ukraine/
When I began investigating the kidnapping of children in Artyomovsk by Ukraine, I had no idea of the extent to which I would uncover trafficking on an international scale and the sordid methods used to supply children to paedophile networks and organ traffickers.
Flashback. In April 2023, I interviewed a refugee from Artyomovsk, Yulia, who told me that as well as having mined and blown up their building, Ukrainian units, specifically “Phoenix” and “White Angels”, were kidnapping children in the town. This information immediately caught my attention, and I decided to investigate further to find out why Kiev was taking children away from their parents in this way.
On the very day I was conducting this interview, Russian colleagues were interviewing a little girl from Artyomovsk, whom the “White Angels” had tried to kidnap from her grandparents, claiming that her mother was dead, and that they were to take her to Germany. It was clear to me that these children kidnapped by Ukraine in Donbass were then sent abroad for all sorts of sordid trafficking, from organ trafficking to paedophile networks. Because the Donbass inhabitants have never been able to assert their rights concerning the war crimes committed against them by Ukraine since 2014 within the international justice bodies, Kiev enjoys total immunity at the ICC and the ECHR with regard to the crimes it may commit against the children of the region.
A few days later, other refugees from Artyomovsk confirmed the child abductions, and I discovered that the same methods were being used in other towns such as Avdeyevka (and now similar information is coming in from Kupyansk).
At the conference, Vasily Prozorov, a former employee of the SBU (Ukrainian intelligence services) explained that one of his investigations had revealed that some of the children abducted by Ukraine are sent to paedophile networks in Great Britain, via a whole network of Ukrainian and British officials or former officials who work together. At the heart of it all is one man, Sergey Borisov, a former SBU agent who was arrested in 2020 for kidnapping entrepreneurs for ransom! Strangely enough, he and his entire gang were released on bail in 2021, and here he is again, trafficking Ukrainian children to the UK! On the British side, members of MI6 and the Foreign Office are involved.
This is hardly surprising when you remember that in recent years there have been several scandals involving networks exploiting children in Great Britain, and paedophiles in the British establishment (such as Sir Jimmy Savile, whose crimes were covered up for years). And in 2021, the UK’s National Crime Agency (the NCA) stated that there would be between 550,000 and 850,000 paedophiles in Britain! In other words, there’s no shortage of customers, including very high-ranking people, for the paedophile networks that kidnap children in Ukraine.

Apparently, in the UK, there are many Jeffrey Epsteins…
Could it be that the determination of the UK to pursue this war at all costs to the people of Ukraine and Russia is to exploit their children as sex slaves???
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 20 2023 12:06 utc | 317

Regarding the hit in Chernihiv – Military Summary channel has a very compelling ‘story’ regarding the missile attack.
https://youtu.be/itRJ3JkZ0is
– My take is here – if RF uses the latest Iskander rocket to attack during a daylight – then they must have been quite certain number of high value targets were present in that building.
– UAV’s technology is the one where both sides are now racing to get ahead and this could have been just the opportunity for RF not only to trim Ukraine’s future aspirations, but also if the reports are correct, to send a message past the border of Ukraine – since number of Nato related parties were present and were apparently hit.
– of course Kiev would be denying it till until it bleeds dry, not only because they organized high tech military expo in the middle of civilian build up area, but also that they essentially stuffed it up in spite of giving notice of the meeting only few hours ahead and lastly because if western contractors or officials got seriously wounded or killed that will make huge splash within commanding circles.
– by the way watch the whole update – this is second time this week losses on Ukrainian side hit 1,000! Kiev reeks of desperation – one consolation should be if they are really using the ‘elite’ brigades, then the earth is finally soaking with real Banderites. I still don’t believe that they would send their own nazi boys to the slaughter house like the other folk they tend to round up, but one can hope that’s finally the case!

Posted by: msv | Aug 20 2023 12:13 utc | 318

Why does Russia have a ‘dire need’ for strategic bombers if its hypersonic missiles are launched from a MIG 31?
Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 20 2023 12:02 utc | 315

Because Kinzhals don’t have the range to reach the US.
The missiles that will do are officially not deployed yet, but are too heavy for MiG-31 and will be carried by the strategic bombers.
Regardless, they don’t have enough MiG-31s either.
They can’t launch more than 100 Kinzhals at the same time, and even that’s optmistic, and that is not enough to even disable NATO in Europe, even if all missiles carry nukes. Ground launched Iskanders and cruise missiles will of course help, but if the US ever deploys effective ABM in Eastern Europe at scale, there is a real problem.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 20 2023 12:15 utc | 319

In my post # 102 I kindly enlightened Carlos as follows…
The point of killing and / or maiming 8 of your enemies for every one of your men is to de-militarize them…
Your nunbers are off by the way…. The Ukies lost 12,000 kia/wia during the first 2.5 weeks of August, in addition to the 43.000 they lost during June-July. This totals 55,000 of the 60,000 they reserved for the offensive.
Then there is the not so small matter of 1 million Ukie KIA/WIA as evinced by the SIM card data….
To us the plan is obvious…. hunker down in prepared positions and let the bastards come at us in the open where we can kill them…. All the while we find and destroy their ammo, fuel, artillery, aircraft, power plants, water supplies, and traction stations… While we take as few casualties as possible and we recruit 400,000 more men, and we outfit them for battle…
It is unfortunate that you cannot see this…. Perhaps English/German/Russian lessons might be appropriate???
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 19 2023 21:52 utc | 102

Which apparently prompted an investigation by a poster using the moniker “SCCC” who claims….
I’ve always thought you were a bit of a loony, since your first post. But today you excelled yourself. I group you in with the pompous, self-important, bigotted, space-hogging pundits like RSH and Martyanov. No wonder you like them. Three peas in a pod. And just like RSH, you leave your opinionated droppings in forums and comment sections all over the web, in some vain search for respect and notoriety. You lecture, you condescend, you hypothesise, as much as anyone else on this site, yet you never miss an opportunity to critique other people’s conjecture with which you disagree. Just like Hack and Martyanov, you never state “in my opinion”. You only prognosticate unarguable “truths”. Just because you’re 75, well educated, and have travelled the world on a yacht, doesn’t make you an Oracle about the SMO. Pull ya fkn head in, ffs.
Above, in #102, your use of “we” is indicative of someone lost in their hateful fantasies of one-sided moral outrage, as if you are some die-hard Russian patriot at the front. But you’re not. You’re just a self-invented, US businessman-grifter (bankrupt 2020), with a PhD in Nutrient Utilization, a degree in Chemistry, and a few pet projects in alternative energies which enable you to name drop “collaborations” all over the globe, all via the pretence of a smokey, 1980s, self-built, self-written, vanity website which has no authentic or reciprocal links to/from any other website in the world. It’s a sham. “Professor Dr George W. Oprisko III”. Lmao at your vanities.
Yes, I know you have a Russian wife/parther and identify with Russian and Jewish and Christian Orthodox and Nazi-fighting family history, but from your condo in Florida … or wherever you presently operate your cyber “Institute” of consulting and begging … you are far far from the trenches of bleeding Russian soldiers or Donbass City cluster munitions. Your use of the royal “we” is pretentiousness in the extreme. Even the fervent Russian nationals on this site don’t extend their partisanship that far. By all means, take a side. But that does not make you omniscient.

I consider myself flattered….
To engender so much hate…. vilification….
I am now in the cross hairs of the deep state…
For …..
Stating the obvious….
HoooorrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaYyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 20 2023 12:16 utc | 320

Ukraine is a distinct state…
Posted by: Constantine | Aug 20 2023 11:40 utc | 313

Not any more, it is not.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 20 2023 12:18 utc | 321

P.S. Russia must have a first-strike capability to destroy the West if this war is to eventually be won.
Right now it has first strike-capable technology, but that is not the same thing as actual first-strike capability — because the latter is a matter not just of technology but also of its deployment at scale.
It has a robust second-strike deterrence capability, but that will not win the war — numerous previously unimaginable red lines have been crossed by NATO, and it will only escalate further from here on. You’re clearly dealing with desperate lunatics who are not deterred by second-strike capabilities.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 20 2023 12:20 utc | 322

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 20 2023 12:16 utc | 319
In Great Britain, there are 550k-800k paedophiles, according to their own crime statistics. Even lot of them among the highest elites of Great Britain. Crazy.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 20 2023 12:29 utc | 323

In response to S.P. Korolev@276,
I believe GU was expecting a major split within the AFU to support the Russian SMO which, if it reached critical mass, would have made it impossible to put up any kind of organized resistance.
First few weeks there were many indications of Ukrainian soldiers fighting amongst themselves, with destroyed Ukrainian military equipment from both sides being chalked up to Russian losses by Western media and “OSINT” pundits, despite being in areas without a Russian troop presence. It was described as unsuccessful Russian breakthrough operations, presumably utilizing Soviet tank and bmp teleportation technology to penetrate deep into enemy territory in single-digit numbers and days away from the main column.
The outcome of this internal conflict was at the very least a coin-toss, prompting Ukraine and its handlers to arm and prepare civilians for partisan warfare, but at the end of the day the situation within the AFU was somehow stabilized in Ukraine’s favor. Russian troops made use of the confusion to secure most of the currently held territory then and there, but the possibility of the AFU falling apart had obviously not materialized.
Negotiations were initiated while the internal conflict within the AFU was still ongoing, but the Ukrainian side resisted the urge that must have been there for a quick agreement, with at least one member of the Ukrainian contact group liquidated by the SBU, and by the time the venue changed from Minsk to Istanbul the Ukrainian side could be confident that the internal conflict within the AFU had been satisfactorily resolved.

Posted by: Skiffer | Aug 20 2023 12:35 utc | 324

long range artillery (more than 40km) shell sounds basically useless, as the cost and difficulty of building it starts nearing that of a missile.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 20 2023 11:36 utc | 312

The guidance electronics embedded within artillery shells must endure the astronomical g-forces induced within the cannon. Rockets, on the other hand, are accelerated with a gentle push.
Where guidance is concerned rockets are Simple Simon.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 20 2023 12:36 utc | 325

Apparently, Russia has lost contact with Luna and it has crashed. No other details as of yet.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 20 2023 12:40 utc | 326

Ukraine is a distinct state…
Posted by: Constantine | Aug 20 2023 11:40 utc | 313
But if Zelenski doesn’t reach some kind of realpolitik decision…
– Ukraine will be extinct, not distinct.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Aug 20 2023 12:44 utc | 327

In response Immaculate deception@325,
Chalk up another victory to the Ghost of Kiev, no doubt armed with a high-tech jar of pickles produced by the Ukrainian MIC. Inb4 shadowbanned blames Putin and spins it into a total Russian defeat.

Posted by: Skiffer | Aug 20 2023 12:45 utc | 328

I see we’re back to fantasizing about the destruction of the 404 power grid. I won’t say it’s impossible or unthinkable, but I imagine Russia has chosen not to do so for two reasons: it would cause unthinkable civilian hardship; and Russia would have to rebuild it anyway. In order to denazify 404 Russia will almost certainly have to occupy it for a while.
This seems to be of a piece with the way Russia has conducted the SMO to date. Of course it infuriates the foam-at-the-mouth armchair general types, who regard anything less than the Dresden- or Hiroshima-style annihilation of 404 as an act of treason, but that’s their problem.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 20 2023 12:58 utc | 329

@Immaculate deception | Aug 20 2023 12:40 utc | 325

Apparently, Russia has lost contact with Luna and it has crashed. No other details as of yet.

Here is more information:

🇷🇺❌🌕Official announcement on the loss of Luna-25
On August 19, in accordance with the Luna-25 flight program, an impulse was provided for the formation of its pre-landing elliptical orbit. At about 14:57 Moscow time, communication with Luna-25 was interrupted.
The measures taken on August 19 and 20 to search for the device and get into contact with it did not produce any results. According to the results of the preliminary analysis, due to the deviation of the actual parameters of the impulse from the calculated ones, the device switched to an off-design orbit and ceased to exist as a result of a collision with the lunar surface.
The issues of finding out the reasons for the loss of the “Moon” will be dealt with by a specially formed interdepartmental commission.
— Roscosmos

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/77974

🇷🇺 Scientists expect that work on the next lunar vehicles will be accelerated, – Anatoly Petrukovich, director of the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
He also stated that the development of the lunar program is a trend in the world cosmonautics in the coming years, in which Russia needs to take part.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/77986
This is bad news obviously, but it happens. They will recover. We should now look out for the Indian Chandrayaan-3 which is attempting a landing in the same area in a few days.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 20 2023 13:00 utc | 330

The most bizarre thing here is how I’m labeled a “fake Marxist concern troll” over here at the same time that I’m busy tearing the Swedish pro-Ukro piss liberals a new arsehole.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 20 2023 13:12 utc | 331

This is bad news obviously, but it happens. They will recover. We should now look out for the Indian Chandrayaan-3 which is attempting a landing in the same area in a few days.
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 20 2023 13:00 utc | 330
At the same time, the Americans had no problem strolling on the surface of the Moon using tech less advanced than your present-day pocket calculator, and then you wonder why people find that incredulous.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 20 2023 13:34 utc | 332

Pity about the moon lander, but these things happen and you hopefully learn from them.
Any news on the putative Western drone experts injured?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 20 2023 13:48 utc | 333

Apparently, Russia has lost contact with Luna and it has crashed. No other details as of yet.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 20 2023 12:40 utc | 326
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Thanks for the post.
It made me check into the origins of naming the Zeeman crater, who was a Dutch physicist and Nobel Prize recipient in Physics with Hendrik Lorentz in 1902. van der Waals is another member of that tribe.
Their educational Dutch history is fascinating. They all had to pass classical language exams to get admitted to a Dutch university. I went to Latin School in Haarlem to skip that step. Haarlem is not just host to the Frans Hals Museum but also the Teyler Museum which has hosts some of the history of Dutch science including theoretical physics. (https://www.teylersmuseum.nl/en/teylers-museum?set_language=en)

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Aug 20 2023 13:54 utc | 334

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 20 2023 12:20 utc | 322 “Right now it has first strike-capable technology, but that is not the same thing as actual first-strike capability”
What does “first-strike capable technology” mean? It isn’t hypersonic missiles as they can be tracked as primary target’s on radars just like spacecraft returning to earth can. Satellites with IR systems can see them too.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 20 2023 14:15 utc | 335

Biden and others have told the world Russia has already lost. That is the US / NATO information operation narrative facing Putin. Putin knows he won’t win an information war with the West, so he must make sure that the US / NATO information war narrative is totally debunked. To do that, Putin needs to unequivocally, undeniably and irrefutably win. Anything less will be spun by the US as a Ukrainian win regardless of the facts on the ground. To defeat this information operation Putin must undeniably win, which is very bad news for Ukraine.
I believe Putin will keep going until he gets a formal surrender from Ukraine where he imposes harsh terms through a peace treaty. The sort of undeniable terms I think Putin will impose on Ukraine will include neutrality, restrictions on long range weapons, the size of the Air Force, Russia’s right to investigate any breach of the peace treaty and maybe even reparations paid to the Russians of Luhansk, Donetsk and Crimea. I believe Putin will keep Crimea, take the four provinces who voted to join Russia plus Mykolaiv and Odessa oblasts thereby making Ukraine landlocked and creating a contiguous new Russian territory along the Black Sea coast linking Transnistria with old Russia. I also expect Putin to insist on a DMZ east of the Dnieper.
Ukraine will have a man shortage and those that remain will include many who are disabled making it highly unlikely Ukraine could mount a new war for at least a generation. Russians, unlike Americans, know how to win wars. Consider this, twenty five years ago Russia destroyed Chechnya, now the Chechens are some of Russia’s strongest supporters. That’s what winning a war looks like. Where, I rhetorically ask, are the US Afghan and Iraqi battalions? That is the difference between winning and losing. The last time America won a major war was WWII.
I believe Putin will want victory by the Russian Presidential elections in March. This will guarantee a genuine and overwhelming electoral victory for Putin to rebuff the USA who keeps telling us Putin’s grip on power is tenuous. Putin will be the popular leader of a united and victorious country in total contrast to a defeated, divided and fractious USA in a bitter election season. Putin knows that such a victory would become a massive issue in the US election thereby amplifying his victory across the whole USA electoral and media landscape. It will be the crowning glory of Putin and Russia and I think is too tempting an opportunity for Putin to pass up.
This means an early autumn (pre rains) or winter offensive. The successful way Russia fights wars against major powers is to wear down the attacker in defence whilst building a massive counter offensive force which is unleashed when the enemy is almost exhausted. Think Napoleon post Borodino / Moscow, Hitler at Stalingrad, Kursk and Bagration or the destruction of the Imperial Japanese Army in the Far East. Russia often loses when it goes straight on attack, think WWI and the Finnish Winter war.
We know Russia has mobilised, is training and equipping a 250,000 – 300,000 force it is yet to commit. Russian doctrine seeks a 10-1 combat power advantage in attack. So Russia will attack when it believes it can achieve a 10-1 advantage at its point of choosing which I believe will be from a fresh direction. I expect Russia must be thinking the Ukrainians have just about culminated, but Russia will probably want to attack before Ukraine goes entirely onto the defensive before Ukraine starts to reposition their remaining forces and start digging them in. I think it is better to attack north of Kharkov whilst almost all the Ukrainian combat power is engaged in the south and south east.
Such a move will aim to dislocate the Ukrainian defence, force Ukraine to rapidly move large forces in the open, thin out existing forces which will allow Russia to kill and capture most of the the remaining Ukrainian forces east of the Dnieper.
At some point I think Zelensky will be overthrown by someone from the military who will surrender to the Russians begging them to stop.
US and NATO will be irrelevant to the peace treaty, highlighting the total defeat of the West. No doubt Russia will also want Ukraine to send Russia its neo Nazi leaders, US bio lab information and Zelensky, although I reckon Zelensky will be killed in the coup and is not much longer for this world.
A peace treaty signed at Poltava would send a strong historical message to the West – it is there that Peter the Great’s Russia finally and decisively defeated the Swedes after wearing them down in a long grinding mobile defensive war. The Swedes had started to March on Moscow before being sidetracked to modern Ukraine which would be quite the symbolic victory for Russia over NATO (whose real objective was Moscow) and it would invite positive comparison between Putin and Peter the Great.
Of course I could be totally wrong, this is just my (hopefully educated) opinion. Time will tell, although I am interested in your thoughts because I enjoy the debate on this site.

Posted by: John Comnenus | Aug 20 2023 14:16 utc | 336

Posted by: robin | Aug 20 2023 10:24 utc | 305
I never used the word troll. You raised the troll word and gave your own definition of the word, which I can’t say that I’m much interested in.
I referred to “shadowbore”. It’s boring but he posts repeatedly saying the same thing which I will not repeat here as part of the designed repetition is to drill it into the consciousness of readers, even if it is false and the poster provides zero credible evidence to support his claims. Banging on relentlessly is a well recognised propaganda method. I have no means to verify whether he is paid via CIA subsidiaries, but his post grad Russian knowledge, relentless incitement to unnecessary Russian escalation would suggest that he may be.
What is interesting is that whenever he posts, he gets the forum equivalent of a ‘motorcycle cavalcade’ protecting and defending him, as you are now providing. Note that I didn’t say that you shared an office in Langley, Virginia. All I said was that you posted to defend, and thus legitimise or increase the credibility of shadowbore’s posts, which is much needed for him as within the past two weeks his repeated calls for Russia to launch nuclear strikes have destroyed any credibility he ever had.
As to why he’d post repeatedly in ‘this bar’? Why is anyone here? It’s one of the best sources of information on geo-politics and the Ukraine conflict. It is part of an ecosystem of independent media such as Michael Hudson, Seymour Hersh, The Gray Zone, Patrick Lancaster, Simplicius The Thinker, Zero Hedge, Gilbert Doctorow, Craig Murray, John Pilger, De-Classified UK, Jonathan Cook, opendemocracy.net, to name a few that provides a far higher level of analysis than can be found in corporate media as this has long been captured by government. I would say that the MoA is so influential that I would be surprised if this forum were not monitored by ‘security services’ and targeted with their disinformation and propaganda. Sophisticated as it may be, I doubt it would get past the more cerebral readers here. As to where to target propaganda, the CIA have been doing this for seventy years, so thanks for your suggestions but I think they know how to do it better than you.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 20 2023 14:17 utc | 337

Posted by: Skiffer | Aug 20 2023 12:35 utc | 324 “with destroyed Ukrainian military equipment from both sides being chalked up to Russian losses by Western media and “OSINT” pundits, despite being in areas without a Russian troop presence.”
Do you have some examples of that?

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 20 2023 14:17 utc | 338

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fair comment, I seem to remember that ? 10% ? of US Gulf War casualties were non-combat, i.e. accidents.
Does getting crushed by your BTR fleeing Kerson count as an accident? if anyone remembers that vid.
generally r.e. trolls: some are obvious, some cunningly manipulative and others may simply just be a differing opinion. We are allowed to disagree. Folks need to just disregard the first, try and not engage the 2nd and just sigh with the latter (unless they are spouting known lies which puts them in 1 or 2).
Stonebird, my prediction is most of us will be dead by 2030, democide. Planned for a long time and ruthlessly executed as we have seen.
Hoka Hey
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Posted by: rubberheid | Aug 20 2023 14:25 utc | 339

@ Constantine | Aug 20 2023 5:34 utc | 235 quote
“their goal isn’t the elevation and prosperity of Ukraine, but the destruction of Russia.” this is exactly right… the use of the term pro ukrainian is not proper language here.. it is anti russian as you note.. thanks… i think accurate language matters..

Posted by: james | Aug 20 2023 15:05 utc | 340

You may think whatever you want, but exactly which “imperial line” am I pushing? I’m getting confused here. Remember, you’re just talking to a lowly prole here.
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 20 2023 9:23 utc | 291
Right, right. You work on a factory floor with coveralls on singing the international all day.
I get it your just a Marxist and your concerned about the “bourgeois nationalist” Putin and your so concerned the bar might not remain as purely marxist as you like.
You may just a be a regular person, but I’ve never seen anybody tout their Marxism so aggressively.
So what’s your beef with MOA? What is the bar missing from your holy marxist perspective? What has the bourgeois nationalist Putin gotten wrong? Out with it.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 20 2023 15:14 utc | 341

It’s not a “segment” of the citizenry in the West. It’s a qualified majority. I see this at my workplace. I’m not working at some fancy place filled with middle-class wannabe parasites. I work on a factory floor. By the most strict Marxist definition of the word I am a Proletarian.
If we are talking a city of Lviv, it’s not a “segment” of the citizenry who are Nazis. They’re all Nazis who breed more Nazis. Making meat loafs in the image of the murdered civilians on the Crimea bridge and selling them in their bakeries.
I’m not shadowbanned. Neither am I a concern troll. I don’t think “let’s tactically nuke them,” but Lviv deserves the Dresden treatment.
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 20 2023 3:24 utc | 215
So the entire west hates Russia? Their all programed and even on the shop floor where you toil with the workyist workers.
It’s not just the elite Dems, right? Hell they must just be responding to pressure from the workers below to go full retard on Russia.
The war on Russia wasn’t foisted on the public overnight by the political elite, rather they were just democratically responding to the will of the people, right?
And who cares anyway, Putin is just a reactionary bourgeois nationalist anyway, so taking him down is actually a bit progressive to boot, is that it?
Poison dwarf or not, your full of shit, titch. Are you from the DSA per chance?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 20 2023 15:23 utc | 342

Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 20 2023 12:06 utc | 317
*** Could it be that the determination of the UK to pursue this war at all costs to the people of Ukraine and Russia is to exploit their children as sex slaves???***
More than enough reported even in some establishment mass-media to suggest that’s true.
Government departments ignoring ministerial instructions, in their determination to promote extremely wokist/deviant/pervert-agenda organisations. Likewise with other extremist pressure group orgnisations — which often turn out to themselves be government funded, or at the very least be of so-called “charitable” status (which enables tax evasion, subsidies etc.).
In the UK the Civil Service was since the time of the Blair regime thoroughly infiltrated by a now supposedly discontinued agency called “Common Purpose”, which had its headquarters in the office of the deputy PM.
At the same time, a specifically *political* policing department (a development not at all publicised)) was established within the Home Office. Its role is to surveil, persecute and destroy the opponents and critics of (what is now called) wokism and other political establishment agendas.
Dots are, however, carefully never joined up quite enough in the mass-media for most of the public to realise the true extent of the overlapping, corrupt networks and their acquisition of power … and if they did realise, they’d simply be dismissed, censored, banned or demonised as “conspiracy theorists” anyway.
Just take a hard look at some of the top UK diplomatic and civil service personnel. Plus rather too many MPs. They could be politely described as an absolute freak show….
Do they appear to be what you would consider ‘normal’?
Finally, remember back at the time of the Kosovo war how NATO / UN / KLA criminality (including child traffic and theft of live body parts) was exposed — but then rapidly ‘disappeared’ never to be mentioned again.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 20 2023 16:04 utc | 343

Roland | Aug 19 2023 20:43 utc | 89

“Do you really believe that practically every single government in the West, every single mainstream media outlet, almost all experts and even most of academia are just lying into your face day after day?! Do you really believe that?!” That’s a tough pill to swallow for most people, because then you would have to recognize that we are all in deep shit.

You nailed it (emphasis mine). “Do you really believe…” most Germans would answer NO, since they cannot believe that the media they grew up with change their role as soon as Russia / Putin are the issue, and become part of the war machine themselves. I myself was a SPIEGEL reader until 2014. In 1999 the media consens against Milosevic and Serbia was almost gapless in Germany, and I believed it all and wanted the evil Serbs to be “punished”, which then actually happened in a NATO bombing campaign of 77 days.
I had believed we had pluralism, and thought that synchronous lying of so many outlets was improbable, but they somehow found a way to implement it back in 1999. The Yugoslavia campaign is working until today: Every mainstream journalist who cares for his or her career will still see the war as it was reported then.
The best piece on the subject known to me, offering insights into the cooperation betweeen mainstrem media and secret services, is still the book “Gekaufte Journalisten” of 2014 by Udo Ulfkotte – it should be available in English as well.

Posted by: grunzt | Aug 20 2023 16:25 utc | 344

Posted by: John Comnenus | Aug 20 2023 14:16 utc | 336
Interesting post. You give reasons to think that RU will conquer the whole of Ukraine as I’ve done in past threads. Putin often quote events from Russian history so your point about resembling Peter I, the Czar that defeated the Swedish Empire at Poltava, seems cogent.
Just one point regarding the reasons for your timing. Putin is pretty assured to win next March elections even though the war/SMO might still be on the attrition phase. He’s unlikely to rush events to further secure his win in March.
Your timing might be good for other reasons though, such as sufficient attrition and the highly anticipated military putsch against the Ukrainian puppet government by a faction of the defeated Ukrainian military.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 20 2023 16:36 utc | 345

So the entire west hates Russia? Their all programed and even on the shop floor where you toil with the workyist workers.
It’s not just the elite Dems, right? Hell they must just be responding to pressure from the workers below to go full retard on Russia.
The war on Russia wasn’t foisted on the public overnight by the political elite, rather they were just democratically responding to the will of the people, right?
And who cares anyway, Putin is just a reactionary bourgeois nationalist anyway, so taking him down is actually a bit progressive to boot, is that it?
Poison dwarf or not, your full of shit, titch. Are you from the DSA per chance?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 20 2023 15:23 utc | 341
Taking down Putin represents the will of global capital against the interest of the second world per CPC 3 worlds theory/updated so it’s anything but “progressive” in my opinion… And yes, here in Sweden people barely even dare to whisper they support anything about Russia.
Also who the fuck are DSA.
Now go shove that red wine bottle up your ass.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 20 2023 17:25 utc | 346

Posted by: SCCC | Aug 20 2023 3:24 utc | 214
If you don’t like it, fuck off.

Posted by: horseguards | Aug 20 2023 18:26 utc | 347

unimperator | Aug 20 2023 8:14 utc | 278
*** That seems to be a de-facto suicide of Nato, if Russia decides to not honor this self-proclaimed acceptation of part of Ukraine in Nato.***
But surely the Atlanticist powers that be in Russia would not want to further annoy their “partners”.
NATO has already blatantly crossed so many alleged “red lines” (whether true lines, or media invented) as to be clear that its megalomanic leadership simply does not take Russian government threats of resistance or retaliation seriously any longer.
All the more so since dismissing warnings — while at the same time using them to further fleece the public — is very profitable for the western oligarchs of politics, finance and military industry. They certainly won’t suffer, anyway…

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 20 2023 18:43 utc | 348

Big Smiles As Rutte Gifts Killing Machines
Zelensky hails ‘historic’ F-16 agreement during Netherlands visit | Le Monde |
The Dutch and the Danes are leading a plan to train Ukrainian pilots to fly the US-made aircraft as part of an 11-nation coalition, with training potentially complete by early 2024. Washington has strict rules on the sale or transfer of US military equipment by its allies.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said Moscow will regard Western F-16 fighter jets sent to Ukraine as a “nuclear” threat because of their capacity to carry atomic weapons.
Moment of M.A.D. is creeping closer …

Posted by: Oui | Aug 20 2023 18:44 utc | 349

If I were to try to explain which line I TRY to follow, with variable success, it’s the line of Marxism-Leninism with an appreciation of the Three Worlds Theory of the Communist Party of China as to how to construct alliances against the imperialist superpower/s.
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 20 2023 9:28 utc | 293
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The issue (or the concern) of the Communist Party of China has not been how to construct alliances against Imperialism, but how to make alliances with them, and others, including socialist countries. From the time that Nixon Shaked hands with Chinese leader Mao Zedong, Mao sold out the workers revolutionary movement to obtain objectives that serves Chinas long range interest, and China has been making alliances with capitalist imperialist powers ever since.
I understand the theory and purpose behind China’s move towards capitalism and exploitation; China, like all developing nations, needed US dollars and the western markets to develop, so the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) allowed the Chinese working class to be exploited by the Western capitalist nations to gain dollars and technology for national self-development: It was thought to be a short cut to development. It worked to the great surprise of the US Ruling class who are now frightened by China’s rapid economic and military development and power.
And worse of all for the US, China has re-united with a former Communist Allie, Russia (USSR), which it stabbed in the back in 1972. But now, Russia is now a powerful nation itself with a capitalist economy.
My point being that China has not been trying to development anti-imperialist alliances, it has been trying to develop allies of various kinds and economies to support a multipolar world where people can have the kind of society and economic system that they choose without being attacked or sanctioned by the self-proclaimed US Hegemon.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 20 2023 18:46 utc | 350

this alternative media piece from Germany on the drone attack on the drone exhibit is new. It has more info than other media outlets. At least something:
“What really happened: Russian missile attack on a theater in the city of Chernihiv”
20/8/23
https://overton-magazin.de/top-story/was-wirklich-geschah-russischer-raketenangriff-auf-ein-theater-in-der-stadt-tschernhiw/
excerpts:
“The Russian military reported that “the place of the meeting of the leading personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was hit”, the building was “used by Ukrainian military personnel”. To speak of the leading personnel is far exaggerated, but it is certain that it was not a civilian event. It must be said at the outset that a missile attack on a building in a city center naturally runs the risk of killing and injuring civilians, even if the target is accurately hit, in and around the building who have nothing to do with the drone event. According to videos, the missile hit the roof of the theater. According to the Ministry of Interior, police officers and security guards were killed in addition to the child.
However, holding a military event in a cultural building is also an attempt to hide possibly legitimate military objectives behind it in order to increase security on the one hand and to be able to claim a war crime on the other. The event and its start, titled “Furious Birds Demo Day,” was announced several days in advance by Victory Drones, but the location was announced only a few hours before it began, which the Russians somehow learned. Participants were asked to come in civilian clothes. According to a document published by Ria Novosti, it said that the location would be announced from 6 Ugr on the day of the event. Those who wanted to attend had to fill out a form, were allegedly screened, and received a personal invitation.
Prominent “volunteer” Maria Berlinska, Maidan activist, later Aidar militant in the Donbass, active as of 2015 with surveillance and now combat drones as well as training drone pilots and women’s rights activist in the military, helped call for the event. She is, as Strana reports, also a candidate for the post of defense minister, since Resnikov is to step down according to Selensky’s will.
There is a dispute in Ukraine about why this event on combat drones was held in the historic center of the city close to the Russian border, of all places. The local military administration approved the event, but the city council did not. Similar meetings with representatives of the military, drone manufacturers and companies had already taken place in other cities such as Kiev, Lviv and Dnipro. The incident is being investigated by the SBU intelligence service.”

Posted by: AG | Aug 20 2023 19:09 utc | 351

Putin doesn’t bluff.
He has too much exposure to be able to pretend he is a gambler. Some card shark in a casino. Like Biden or any of their Collective Waster WEF clone.
He means what he says and the very clear message of his visit to the front line HQ is not meant for the natzos. It’s for the vast Russian Populations. Every corner of which will see it as the clear signal of what is going to happen next.
Just as it was before the beginning of the SMO.
The rope-a -dope has achieved its objective now it’s time for the ko. However that will manifest.
URAaaaaaaaa

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 20 2023 20:41 utc | 352

Scorpion | Aug 21 2023 4:04 utc | 77

Today a few posters cited George Friedman of Stratfor spelling out that Bresinski viewed Germany as a geopolitical schlusselpunkt in that her pivot towards Russia would prove a geopolitical game-changer affecting Europe entire.

Hell, yes, Bresinski was right, it has been this way since 2014 at least. Germany has been the key (“Schlüsselpunkt”), a potential game changer, not only to Europe, but to the global power structure as a whole. Unlike the other players, we had the freedom of choice of going either way. Knowing this all the time, and then seeing Merkel, later Scholz, take the wrong side and let this opportunity go to waste, has been an awful thing to watch and explains what makes me, as a German, so frustrated and fidgety.

Posted by: grunzt | Aug 21 2023 15:52 utc | 353

i have my own view as to why the Russian authorities and media use this label and its part of a much bigger problem, partly connected with the conflict in Ukraine, but it’s too much to expound my view now. It is still, however, a massive blunder it PR terms. And propaganda has been of paramount importance to keep many Ukrainians loyal to the Kiev regime, even in a fatalistic way, instead of emptying their magazines on the Maidanist scum and their masters and joining the Russians to liberate their country.
Posted by: Constantine | Aug 20 2023 3:35 utc | 216
Unless I am misunderstanding you what you’re saying is the same thing I try to say: The west, the USA is destroying Ukraine, not helping it. The only people helping Ukraine are the Russians. I put it this way: ‘Ukraine’ is the Ukrainian people. And they are currently divided into two camps and tearing each other to pieces. Kiev and the US, backing one side, have engineered the deaths of half a million of them to date. And they are pushing for more of the same.
There is no way that is ‘supporting Ukraine’.
Viktor Orban said it: the job of a politician is the preserve his people. (my paraphrase). Kiev and USA (and the whole West) is not trying to preserve Ukrainian people. From the very word ‘go’ the ambition of Kiev was to destroy Ukrainians: the Donbas Ukrainians.
But from the very word ‘go’ the ambition of Russia was to help preserve Ukrainians lives. When they finally acceded to requests for help. Very much the better of the two at the very least.
So I continually post about using the lying western terminology for the conflict for it plays into this deceit. ‘Ukraine v Russia’ they characterise it as. Everyone. ‘Pro Kiev’ or ‘Pro Russia’. ‘Objective, dispassionate observer’ – anyone. The ALL use this terminology and all by itself it promotes a lie.
But the point: it IS ubiquitous.
That’s why Russia uses it, I’d say. Russia tries to speak to the west in language the west understands. Very difficult. Very difficult. For the west is as demonstrated here in this aspect: universally stupid. What else can you call it when such false language is the unbroken norm?
In fact I think you can find in Lavrov’s speech, in Zhakharov’s speech, in Putin’s speech references to the fact that the position of Kiev, the West, the USA is not helping Ukraine at all. I am sure you can. So in fact ‘they’ are not saying these things they simply appear to be saying them because they use those words to refer to a situation that the West knows only by those words.
You find exactly the same thing throughout the columns here in MoA. It is a seamless, unbroken, universal adoption of US misinformation. I think a greater propaganda victory than ever the Covid victories.
Such a sweeping victory that it has of necessity forced me to radically adjust my opinion of many, many who claim to be somewhat above the common ruck in observance and analysis of global events. I now find them all basically shallow, inept, stupid and contemptible. Bit harsh I know. But think of it. Just think of it.
Pertinent to all this did you see this in Covertaction magazine:
“But a startling new book reveals that the American public may have been deceived. According to A. B. Abrams, author of Atrocity Fabrication and Its Consequences: How Fake News Shapes World Order (Atlanta: Clarity Press, 2023), there were no killings in Tiananmen Square, let alone a massacre. There was just the same old manipulation of public perception by the U.S. government and its echo chamber erroneously known as the free press.”
Here: https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/08/07/was-there-really-a-massacre-in-tiananmen-square-or-was-it-an-illusion-fabricated-by-u-s-politicians-and-corporate-media-to-make-americans-hate-china/?mc_cid=4ca2c99f62&mc_eid=8799337620

Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 22 2023 19:30 utc | 354

I’m pretty stupid myself. I should have put my ‘core message’ and I didn’t, I suppose.
It is NOT ‘Ukraine v Russia’
It could be called many other things, it IS many other things, many things happen at once. It is, for instance ‘West v RoW’.
And it is ‘Kiev/US v Ukraine’
Or it is ‘The American invasion of Ukraine’
Or it is ‘Kiev v Donbas’
Or whatever. But for sure there is one simple thing it is not and that is: ‘Russia v Ukraine’.
And my small basic point from the beginning: thinking it IS ‘Russia v Ukraine’ allows the dumb herd, essentially disinterested, to tacitly condone and allow promotion of the war by their governments because that ‘dumb herd’ (which includes myself) has an instinct for fairness and it thinks that it must be ‘fair’ to help ‘Ukraine’ because Ukraine is small and Russia is big.
Simple as that. I contend the masses simply believe that essentially they are doing the ‘right thing’ by condoning the war simply on the basis that ‘Ukraine’ is tiny and aggressed by big bad Russia.
Propaganda coup par excellence. Actually of course it is big bad USA + Kiev against tiny Donbas. But they have NO idea about this. None. And NO ONE tries to tell them.

Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 22 2023 19:38 utc | 355

Posted by: Constantine
Yes ! That’s why I always use the term ‘The Ukrainian Civil War’ and also always ‘NATO’s military’
Example: NATO’s military suffered another defeat yesterday in The Ukrainian Civil War.
Posted by: Exilejr | Aug 20 2023 5:45 utc | 236
Excellent. I didn’t know. So I’m not a lone voice. How stupid of me. How good to find out. 🙂 Excellent.

Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 22 2023 19:43 utc | 356

And if you want examples of how the Russian soldiers see it in terms of all brothers rather than as ‘russian v ukraine’ then take a look at today’s komsomolskaya pravda perhaps:
https://www.kp.ru/daily/27545/4812475/?utm_campaign=kudryashova_22.08.2023_20_03_53&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Sendsay

Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 22 2023 19:51 utc | 357

The British can see themselves as having visited WWIII on Ukraine. For more Ukrainians have died in this conflict than Britons died in WWII.
It is bigger for Ukraine than WWII was for Britain. And sponsored by Britain. Which in WWII fought the Nazis. And this WWIII IS the Nazis.
How times change.
But I doubt they’re proud of it. I suspect they are totally, overwhelmingly, ignorant of everything factual.

Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 22 2023 20:23 utc | 358

@ Oswald, §77:
Your delightful prospect of the Russians marching on Brussels with no opposition from European nations is not as far-fetched as you suppose.
There isn´t a country in Europe that is not completely fed up with Ursula von der Lying trying to stamp on their national interests. All are aware of the bloated bureaucracy which achieves nothing but increasing impositions upon all European citizens. Their glass palaces, inflated salaries and retinue of lawyers, press-officers, secretaries, etc., etc., all with gold-plated pensions, just rubs salt into the many wounds the EU inflicts daily. Worst of all is their trampling of justice with appointed judges and no involvement of the people in making or judging their own laws – the yardstick of a free people.
We would all welcome the Russians taking out Berlaymont, expelling its current inhabitants and turning it over to house the homeless.
Posted by: John Marks | Aug 21 2023 20:00 utc | 84
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Yes and what if the Russians were to live broadcast the storming of Berlaymont and the unveiling for all the world to see the Satanic chapel room in the basement where the Black Masses of human sacrifice were performed?
One hopes the Russians could go on to stage purge trials in all the European capitals similar to the Moscow purge trials of the 1930’s.
Imagine the joy of seeing the Satanic pedophile elite in the courtroom squirming in their seats begging for the death penalty.

Posted by: Oswald | Aug 23 2023 8:48 utc | 359