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August 31, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-206
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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155 – Yeah, I picked one up for free. I wouldn’t pay money for it. Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 1 2023 11:47 utc | 301 155 – Yeah, I picked one up for free. I wouldn’t pay money for it. Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 1 2023 11:47 utc | 302 Arch Bungle | Sep 1 2023 10:44 utc | 150 Posted by: ZimZum | Sep 1 2023 12:17 utc | 303 Arch Bungle | Sep 1 2023 10:44 utc | 150 Posted by: ZimZum | Sep 1 2023 12:17 utc | 304 Posted by: Rune Denmark | Sep 1 2023 5:41 utc | 130 “The rump Ukraine is allowed to merge with Poland (& a bit with Hungary) on the condition that Poland (& Hungary) will exit NATO” Posted by: Ed4 | Sep 1 2023 12:21 utc | 305 Posted by: Rune Denmark | Sep 1 2023 5:41 utc | 130 “The rump Ukraine is allowed to merge with Poland (& a bit with Hungary) on the condition that Poland (& Hungary) will exit NATO” Posted by: Ed4 | Sep 1 2023 12:21 utc | 306 SCCC | Sep 1 2023 11:07 utc | 154 Posted by: ZimZum | Sep 1 2023 12:36 utc | 307 SCCC | Sep 1 2023 11:07 utc | 154 Posted by: ZimZum | Sep 1 2023 12:36 utc | 308 … a little something to increase the cold chills …
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/40884 Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 1 2023 12:36 utc | 309 … a little something to increase the cold chills …
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/40884 Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 1 2023 12:36 utc | 310 For less than 3 percent of our nation’s military budget, we’ve enabled Ukraine to degrade Russia’s military strength by half. Posted by: jpc | Sep 1 2023 12:49 utc | 311 For less than 3 percent of our nation’s military budget, we’ve enabled Ukraine to degrade Russia’s military strength by half. Posted by: jpc | Sep 1 2023 12:49 utc | 312 Posted by: Jason | Sep 1 2023 2:34 utc | 118
simple a primitive LIE Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 1 2023 12:49 utc | 313 Posted by: Jason | Sep 1 2023 2:34 utc | 118
simple a primitive LIE Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 1 2023 12:49 utc | 314
Nope … afraid not … I think we are supposed to guess, however if that is truly the case I don’t think its too hard work it out … Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 1 2023 12:55 utc | 315
Nope … afraid not … I think we are supposed to guess, however if that is truly the case I don’t think its too hard work it out … Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 1 2023 12:55 utc | 316 SCCC | Sep 1 2023 4:44 posted THIS:
Can you share with MoA barflies the link to the quoted RT text (“RT just now: … ” etc.)? Posted by: LongCovid | Sep 1 2023 13:14 utc | 317 SCCC | Sep 1 2023 4:44 posted THIS:
Can you share with MoA barflies the link to the quoted RT text (“RT just now: … ” etc.)? Posted by: LongCovid | Sep 1 2023 13:14 utc | 318 @ arthur brogard, §86: Posted by: John Marks | Sep 1 2023 13:19 utc | 319 @ arthur brogard, §86: Posted by: John Marks | Sep 1 2023 13:19 utc | 320 Retired General Ben Hodges exposed Posted by: migueljose | Sep 1 2023 13:22 utc | 321 Retired General Ben Hodges exposed Posted by: migueljose | Sep 1 2023 13:22 utc | 322 As reported by CyberSpec News Telegram channel… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 1 2023 13:26 utc | 323 As reported by CyberSpec News Telegram channel… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 1 2023 13:26 utc | 324 Military Summary Telegram Channel Reports… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 1 2023 13:34 utc | 325 Military Summary Telegram Channel Reports… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 1 2023 13:34 utc | 326 174 – While this is true, this kind of Volkssturm mobilise-everybody desperation versus Russia apparently conducting the SMO in second gear makes me wonder whether sheer Russian complacency might allow Kiev some opportunities for success. Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 1 2023 13:38 utc | 327 174 – While this is true, this kind of Volkssturm mobilise-everybody desperation versus Russia apparently conducting the SMO in second gear makes me wonder whether sheer Russian complacency might allow Kiev some opportunities for success. Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 1 2023 13:38 utc | 328
Most Americans have conditioned themselves to not look too deeply into US foreign policy. They know that turning over those rocks will reveal some ugly realities, so they avoid it. Iraq should have made it clear that we are indeed the baddies, but that was over a decade ago and long memory-holed, along with the multitude of war crimes we committed there. The overriding concern of most people in the US is holding on to what they have, and not looking too deeply at a profigately wasteful lifestyle that consumes a disproportionate share of the world’s resources, and how we sustain that arrangement. Getting into those weeds might even lead one to conclude that the entire economic system that our politicians laud is a soul-sucking pile of shit that depends on the exploitation of much of the world. Posted by: Mike R | Sep 1 2023 13:42 utc | 329
Most Americans have conditioned themselves to not look too deeply into US foreign policy. They know that turning over those rocks will reveal some ugly realities, so they avoid it. Iraq should have made it clear that we are indeed the baddies, but that was over a decade ago and long memory-holed, along with the multitude of war crimes we committed there. The overriding concern of most people in the US is holding on to what they have, and not looking too deeply at a profigately wasteful lifestyle that consumes a disproportionate share of the world’s resources, and how we sustain that arrangement. Getting into those weeds might even lead one to conclude that the entire economic system that our politicians laud is a soul-sucking pile of shit that depends on the exploitation of much of the world. Posted by: Mike R | Sep 1 2023 13:42 utc | 330 Posted by: Jason Fucking Lied | Sep 1 2023 3:06 utc | 120 Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 1 2023 13:52 utc | 331 Posted by: Jason Fucking Lied | Sep 1 2023 3:06 utc | 120 Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 1 2023 13:52 utc | 332 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 1 2023 10:44 utc | 150 Posted by: Milites | Sep 1 2023 13:52 utc | 333 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 1 2023 10:44 utc | 150 Posted by: Milites | Sep 1 2023 13:52 utc | 334 Margorie Taylor Greene lays out her position on Ukraine Posted by: migueljose | Sep 1 2023 13:54 utc | 335 Margorie Taylor Greene lays out her position on Ukraine Posted by: migueljose | Sep 1 2023 13:54 utc | 336 this kind of Volkssturm mobilise-everybody desperation versus Russia apparently conducting the SMO in second gear makes me wonder whether sheer Russian complacency might allow Kiev some opportunities for success. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 1 2023 13:57 utc | 337 this kind of Volkssturm mobilise-everybody desperation versus Russia apparently conducting the SMO in second gear makes me wonder whether sheer Russian complacency might allow Kiev some opportunities for success. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 1 2023 13:57 utc | 338 reply to 174, et al Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 1 2023 14:11 utc | 339 reply to 174, et al Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 1 2023 14:11 utc | 340 John Marks | Sep 1 2023 13:19 utc | 172 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 1 2023 14:13 utc | 341 John Marks | Sep 1 2023 13:19 utc | 172 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 1 2023 14:13 utc | 342 YetAnotherAnon @ 183
Someone’s read Cain’s The Postman Always Rings Twice 😀 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 1 2023 14:21 utc | 343 YetAnotherAnon @ 183
Someone’s read Cain’s The Postman Always Rings Twice 😀 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 1 2023 14:21 utc | 344 Re: Posted by: migueljose | Sep 1 2023 13:54 utc | 180 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 1 2023 14:22 utc | 345 Re: Posted by: migueljose | Sep 1 2023 13:54 utc | 180 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 1 2023 14:22 utc | 346 Posted by: Rune Denmark | Sep 1 2023 5:41 utc | 130 Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 1 2023 14:24 utc | 347 Posted by: Rune Denmark | Sep 1 2023 5:41 utc | 130 Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 1 2023 14:24 utc | 348 “Aside from Valkyrie, did anyone stroll up to a ranting Hitler and shoot him while Germany was doomed? Nope.” Posted by: Valkyrie | Sep 1 2023 14:30 utc | 349 “Aside from Valkyrie, did anyone stroll up to a ranting Hitler and shoot him while Germany was doomed? Nope.” Posted by: Valkyrie | Sep 1 2023 14:30 utc | 350 181 – Vituperation? Moi? Actually I am pretty reasonable. You are the one running around screaming. It may be that you do not actually know what the word “vituperation” means… Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 1 2023 14:32 utc | 351 181 – Vituperation? Moi? Actually I am pretty reasonable. You are the one running around screaming. It may be that you do not actually know what the word “vituperation” means… Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 1 2023 14:32 utc | 352 Posted by: ZimZum | Sep 1 2023 12:17 utc | 162 Posted by: Milites | Sep 1 2023 14:37 utc | 353 Posted by: ZimZum | Sep 1 2023 12:17 utc | 162 Posted by: Milites | Sep 1 2023 14:37 utc | 354 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 1 2023 14:21 utc | 184
It goes back to at least 1876. There is a whole webpage devoted to the phrase’s etymology. Posted by: john brewster | Sep 1 2023 14:45 utc | 355 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 1 2023 14:21 utc | 184
It goes back to at least 1876. There is a whole webpage devoted to the phrase’s etymology. Posted by: john brewster | Sep 1 2023 14:45 utc | 356 The WSJ is peddling some far-fetched nazi hopium about a major breakthrough that no-one else seems to be aware of. I wonder if they mean that pimple near Robotyne. Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 1 2023 14:50 utc | 357 The WSJ is peddling some far-fetched nazi hopium about a major breakthrough that no-one else seems to be aware of. I wonder if they mean that pimple near Robotyne. Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 1 2023 14:50 utc | 358 reply to 187 Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 1 2023 14:51 utc | 359 reply to 187 Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 1 2023 14:51 utc | 360 Posted by: fullybanned | Sep 1 2023 12:15 utc | 161 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 1 2023 14:52 utc | 361 Posted by: fullybanned | Sep 1 2023 12:15 utc | 161 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 1 2023 14:52 utc | 362 Does anyone find it odd that: Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 1 2023 15:10 utc | 363 Does anyone find it odd that: Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 1 2023 15:10 utc | 364 Any decent acquaintance with history will inform you that expecting to go to war while incurring no harm to your civil society is an ignorant idea. In the modern era this is more true than ever. Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 1 2023 15:11 utc | 365 Any decent acquaintance with history will inform you that expecting to go to war while incurring no harm to your civil society is an ignorant idea. In the modern era this is more true than ever. Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 1 2023 15:11 utc | 366 Putins favourite western partner Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 1 2023 15:18 utc | 367 Putins favourite western partner Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 1 2023 15:18 utc | 368 Does anyone find it odd that: Posted by: rk | Sep 1 2023 15:19 utc | 369 Does anyone find it odd that: Posted by: rk | Sep 1 2023 15:19 utc | 370 Wondrous | Sep 1 2023 14:24 utc | 186, who seems to suggest that SCCC | Sep 1 2023 7:23 utc | 135 claimed that Putin was willing to give away Crimea-for promises(Minsk 3). Posted by: Lantern Dude | Sep 1 2023 15:29 utc | 371 Wondrous | Sep 1 2023 14:24 utc | 186, who seems to suggest that SCCC | Sep 1 2023 7:23 utc | 135 claimed that Putin was willing to give away Crimea-for promises(Minsk 3). Posted by: Lantern Dude | Sep 1 2023 15:29 utc | 372 Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 1 2023 14:32 utc | 188 Posted by: Milites | Sep 1 2023 15:30 utc | 373 Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 1 2023 14:32 utc | 188 Posted by: Milites | Sep 1 2023 15:30 utc | 374 https://rumble.com/v3cfylo-ex-us-army-europe-commanding-general-ben-hodges-challenged-on-russia-nato-p.html Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 1 2023 15:32 utc | 375 https://rumble.com/v3cfylo-ex-us-army-europe-commanding-general-ben-hodges-challenged-on-russia-nato-p.html Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 1 2023 15:32 utc | 376 Sorry Lev’, you’re wrong. Specifically, I’m assuming you’re comment was aimed towards shadowbanned and Константин. Their concern has always been with the nature of the Putin regime, not with Russia or those who are patriotic to Russia. Their argument, if I can be allowed to speak for them, is that Putin’s government maintains a rentier kleptocracy that developed after the CCCP fell. That kleptocracy has ties to the west and despite the claims they serve patriotic interests, in practice their interests are foreign. If I’m wrong and your comment wasn’t directed towards them, then I apologize. Posted by: zeke2u | Sep 1 2023 15:33 utc | 377 Sorry Lev’, you’re wrong. Specifically, I’m assuming you’re comment was aimed towards shadowbanned and Константин. Their concern has always been with the nature of the Putin regime, not with Russia or those who are patriotic to Russia. Their argument, if I can be allowed to speak for them, is that Putin’s government maintains a rentier kleptocracy that developed after the CCCP fell. That kleptocracy has ties to the west and despite the claims they serve patriotic interests, in practice their interests are foreign. If I’m wrong and your comment wasn’t directed towards them, then I apologize. Posted by: zeke2u | Sep 1 2023 15:33 utc | 378 Posted by: Lantern Dude | Sep 1 2023 15:29 utc | 198 Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 1 2023 15:34 utc | 379 Posted by: Lantern Dude | Sep 1 2023 15:29 utc | 198 Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 1 2023 15:34 utc | 380
The Crimean bridge will become less critical and redundant after Russia takes control of Zaporozhye, marking the end of the counter-offensive. It will surely occur. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 1 2023 15:59 utc | 381
The Crimean bridge will become less critical and redundant after Russia takes control of Zaporozhye, marking the end of the counter-offensive. It will surely occur. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 1 2023 15:59 utc | 382 Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 1 2023 15:18 utc | 196 Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 1 2023 16:13 utc | 383 Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 1 2023 15:18 utc | 196 Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 1 2023 16:13 utc | 384 zeke2u | Sep 1 2023 15:33 utc | 201 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 1 2023 16:22 utc | 385 zeke2u | Sep 1 2023 15:33 utc | 201 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 1 2023 16:22 utc | 386 Posted by: Mike R | Sep 1 2023 13:42 utc | 177 Posted by: N Hanrahan | Sep 1 2023 16:23 utc | 387 Posted by: Mike R | Sep 1 2023 13:42 utc | 177 Posted by: N Hanrahan | Sep 1 2023 16:23 utc | 388 The Ukie/NATO attack on the Pskov Airbase keeps on giving… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 1 2023 16:25 utc | 389 The Ukie/NATO attack on the Pskov Airbase keeps on giving… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 1 2023 16:25 utc | 390 “The WSJ is peddling some far-fetched nazi hopium about a major breakthrough that no-one else seems to be aware of. I wonder if they mean that pimple near Robotyne.” Posted by: dh | Sep 1 2023 16:31 utc | 391 “The WSJ is peddling some far-fetched nazi hopium about a major breakthrough that no-one else seems to be aware of. I wonder if they mean that pimple near Robotyne.” Posted by: dh | Sep 1 2023 16:31 utc | 392 Black Mountain Analysis has a new article, just as a heads up. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 1 2023 16:44 utc | 393 Black Mountain Analysis has a new article, just as a heads up. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 1 2023 16:44 utc | 394 They knew they would not have enough troops, due to the expiration of the deadline for re-signing contracts, they just hoped nobody would notice. Alternatively, the SMO has been partly an exercise in preparing the Russian people for the future conflicts between East; in which case, the Kharkov retreat was designed to create the conditions for public acceptance of a mobilisation but avoiding the political fallout such a move normally generates. It really depends on what your ideological perspective is to which option you think has the greatest credibility. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 1 2023 16:46 utc | 395 They knew they would not have enough troops, due to the expiration of the deadline for re-signing contracts, they just hoped nobody would notice. Alternatively, the SMO has been partly an exercise in preparing the Russian people for the future conflicts between East; in which case, the Kharkov retreat was designed to create the conditions for public acceptance of a mobilisation but avoiding the political fallout such a move normally generates. It really depends on what your ideological perspective is to which option you think has the greatest credibility. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 1 2023 16:46 utc | 396 I do agree with Alex Christoforous take on the Pskov attack. It is unlikely that Ukraine managed to send multiple drones 800km, crossing Belarus without anyone noticing. They would need a fair amount of fuel also. I know Simplicius has a different take. Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 1 2023 16:50 utc | 397 I do agree with Alex Christoforous take on the Pskov attack. It is unlikely that Ukraine managed to send multiple drones 800km, crossing Belarus without anyone noticing. They would need a fair amount of fuel also. I know Simplicius has a different take. Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 1 2023 16:50 utc | 398 Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 1 2023 10:58 utc | 152 Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 1 2023 16:54 utc | 399 Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 1 2023 10:58 utc | 152 Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 1 2023 16:54 utc | 400 |
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