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August 31, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-206
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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53 – Over 60. Older than I am. Winning sides don’t put my age group into the front lines… Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 20:14 utc | 101 53 – Over 60. Older than I am. Winning sides don’t put my age group into the front lines… Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 20:14 utc | 102 pretzelattack @ 46
Nah, white males have no monopoly on intelligence, wit, and erudition, there is certainly no lack of exceptional female, black, brown, yellow, gay, bi, Muslim, etc etc out there, Zakharova is a woman, right? So, why in the west the sudden historically aberrant predisposition for dysfunctional characters? Succeed or fail avoiding idiocracy seems to have been standard throughout history, assuming survival is the goal, of a state or of humanity itself? Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 20:15 utc | 103 pretzelattack @ 46
Nah, white males have no monopoly on intelligence, wit, and erudition, there is certainly no lack of exceptional female, black, brown, yellow, gay, bi, Muslim, etc etc out there, Zakharova is a woman, right? So, why in the west the sudden historically aberrant predisposition for dysfunctional characters? Succeed or fail avoiding idiocracy seems to have been standard throughout history, assuming survival is the goal, of a state or of humanity itself? Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 20:15 utc | 104 Quote of the Year, by the estimable MZ to an Italian journalist. Posted by: SCCC | Aug 31 2023 20:20 utc | 105 Quote of the Year, by the estimable MZ to an Italian journalist. Posted by: SCCC | Aug 31 2023 20:20 utc | 106 Any pretence that Ukraine has any semblance of sovereignty belies the fact that this country (cobbled together as it was by the Soviets) has been in zombie mode thoroughly controlled by the US/NATO/EU (in that order) since the Maidan Putsch of February 2014. Its continuously plummeting population since the end of the Soviet Union (when it was a potentially very rich nation) from more than 50 million then to somewhere between 10 and 20 million today speaks volumes to the fact that this country is a failed political entity and the so-called nationalists (in reality anti-national pro-foreign empire collaborator fascists and neo-nazi loons) have done nothing but harm to all of the people of this territory. Its catastrophic haemorrhaging of its able-bodied menfolk will eventually reach breaking point, much like what happened to Paraguay led by the lunatic Lopez during the War of the Triple Alliance from 1864 to 1870, where 90% of the male population over 18 perished! Posted by: Gaelach | Aug 31 2023 20:25 utc | 107 Any pretence that Ukraine has any semblance of sovereignty belies the fact that this country (cobbled together as it was by the Soviets) has been in zombie mode thoroughly controlled by the US/NATO/EU (in that order) since the Maidan Putsch of February 2014. Its continuously plummeting population since the end of the Soviet Union (when it was a potentially very rich nation) from more than 50 million then to somewhere between 10 and 20 million today speaks volumes to the fact that this country is a failed political entity and the so-called nationalists (in reality anti-national pro-foreign empire collaborator fascists and neo-nazi loons) have done nothing but harm to all of the people of this territory. Its catastrophic haemorrhaging of its able-bodied menfolk will eventually reach breaking point, much like what happened to Paraguay led by the lunatic Lopez during the War of the Triple Alliance from 1864 to 1870, where 90% of the male population over 18 perished! Posted by: Gaelach | Aug 31 2023 20:25 utc | 108 53 – Months of Kiev’s “counter-offensive” and the needle hardly moving is hard to present as success, however strong the pro-404 bias is in Polish and other NATO media. Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 20:27 utc | 109 53 – Months of Kiev’s “counter-offensive” and the needle hardly moving is hard to present as success, however strong the pro-404 bias is in Polish and other NATO media. Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 20:27 utc | 110 Idon’t play pool, so I don’t know the slang for “свояк”, which was translated as “brother in law”. In Russian pool slang it is the ball which is being hit by the stick. Posted by: SCCC | Aug 31 2023 20:30 utc | 111 Idon’t play pool, so I don’t know the slang for “свояк”, which was translated as “brother in law”. In Russian pool slang it is the ball which is being hit by the stick. Posted by: SCCC | Aug 31 2023 20:30 utc | 112 another holocaust survivor.. Posted by: nc | Aug 31 2023 20:31 utc | 113 another holocaust survivor.. Posted by: nc | Aug 31 2023 20:31 utc | 114 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 20:15 utc | 55 Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 31 2023 20:34 utc | 115 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 20:15 utc | 55 Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 31 2023 20:34 utc | 116 USSR lost 10-15% of the population and still kept going. The West can supply Ukraine to a far greater extent than it did the USSR so in functional terms they can probably afford to lose millions. Posted by: SCCC | Aug 31 2023 20:41 utc | 117 USSR lost 10-15% of the population and still kept going. The West can supply Ukraine to a far greater extent than it did the USSR so in functional terms they can probably afford to lose millions. Posted by: SCCC | Aug 31 2023 20:41 utc | 118 https://vz.ru/news/2023/8/31/1228332.html Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 20:49 utc | 119 https://vz.ru/news/2023/8/31/1228332.html Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 20:49 utc | 120
It’s horrific, IIRC already in September 2022 general Krivonos, the ex deputy of Ukraine’s security council was talking about “hundreds of thousands of casualties”. It was in conjunction with their Kherson offensive, and thereafter the one in Kharkov area. So in 6 months AFU already had “hundreds of thousands”, I believe we must be quite close to 1 million per the recent unanswered SIM card Data of Ukrainian mobile operators. Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2023 20:55 utc | 121
It’s horrific, IIRC already in September 2022 general Krivonos, the ex deputy of Ukraine’s security council was talking about “hundreds of thousands of casualties”. It was in conjunction with their Kherson offensive, and thereafter the one in Kharkov area. So in 6 months AFU already had “hundreds of thousands”, I believe we must be quite close to 1 million per the recent unanswered SIM card Data of Ukrainian mobile operators. Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2023 20:55 utc | 122 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 20:15 utc | 55 Posted by: Milites | Aug 31 2023 20:56 utc | 123 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 20:15 utc | 55 Posted by: Milites | Aug 31 2023 20:56 utc | 124 4 hrs after Karlof1’s post of Zakharova’s witty billiards reference, the bar has now provided 4 possible meanings for her term Brother in Law. Posted by: SCCC | Aug 31 2023 21:00 utc | 125 4 hrs after Karlof1’s post of Zakharova’s witty billiards reference, the bar has now provided 4 possible meanings for her term Brother in Law. Posted by: SCCC | Aug 31 2023 21:00 utc | 126 By the way, have you heard what the Blinkens, Borrells, Stoltenbergs have been saying for 1.5 years? They stated that everything should be decided on the battlefield. Posted by: Fred777 | Aug 31 2023 21:04 utc | 127 By the way, have you heard what the Blinkens, Borrells, Stoltenbergs have been saying for 1.5 years? They stated that everything should be decided on the battlefield. Posted by: Fred777 | Aug 31 2023 21:04 utc | 128 Posted by: pretzelattack @ 61 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 21:26 utc | 129 Posted by: pretzelattack @ 61 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 21:26 utc | 130 ^ @68 – infantilized not initialized, spellchecker needs to update it’s vocabulary. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 21:34 utc | 131 ^ @68 – infantilized not initialized, spellchecker needs to update it’s vocabulary. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 21:34 utc | 132 Posted by: Fred777 | Aug 31 2023 21:04 utc | 67 Posted by: Milites | Aug 31 2023 21:40 utc | 133 Posted by: Fred777 | Aug 31 2023 21:04 utc | 67 Posted by: Milites | Aug 31 2023 21:40 utc | 134 36…64…I.posted yesterday that someone worked out that main cemetaries are currently being expanded for maybe 1.5 m burials…a new national cemetary for military “remembrance “too Posted by: Jo | Aug 31 2023 21:40 utc | 135 36…64…I.posted yesterday that someone worked out that main cemetaries are currently being expanded for maybe 1.5 m burials…a new national cemetary for military “remembrance “too Posted by: Jo | Aug 31 2023 21:40 utc | 136 If government controlled Ukraine had a population of 35 Million in early 2022 – then it would have had let is say 8 million military age men, so about 7 million fit for military service – therefore if we use 10% it will be 700K fatalities and 25% would give us about 1.8 million – absolutely horrific prospect Posted by: Mike R | Aug 31 2023 21:45 utc | 137 If government controlled Ukraine had a population of 35 Million in early 2022 – then it would have had let is say 8 million military age men, so about 7 million fit for military service – therefore if we use 10% it will be 700K fatalities and 25% would give us about 1.8 million – absolutely horrific prospect Posted by: Mike R | Aug 31 2023 21:45 utc | 138 Pskov was hit again and you know what ? Vladimir Putin will do nothing. Posted by: Gheakisya | Aug 31 2023 21:49 utc | 139 Pskov was hit again and you know what ? Vladimir Putin will do nothing. Posted by: Gheakisya | Aug 31 2023 21:49 utc | 140 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 21:26 utc | 68 Posted by: Milites | Aug 31 2023 21:54 utc | 141 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 21:26 utc | 68 Posted by: Milites | Aug 31 2023 21:54 utc | 142 Posted by: nc | Aug 31 2023 20:31 utc | 60 Posted by: Inkan1969 | Aug 31 2023 21:58 utc | 143 Posted by: nc | Aug 31 2023 20:31 utc | 60 Posted by: Inkan1969 | Aug 31 2023 21:58 utc | 144 Gheakisya | Aug 31 2023 21:49 utc | 74
If that’s true, then the RF will have tracked and identified origin, path etc ! Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Aug 31 2023 22:00 utc | 145 Gheakisya | Aug 31 2023 21:49 utc | 74
If that’s true, then the RF will have tracked and identified origin, path etc ! Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Aug 31 2023 22:00 utc | 146 Posted by: Gheakisya | Aug 31 2023 21:49 utc | 74 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 31 2023 22:04 utc | 147 Posted by: Gheakisya | Aug 31 2023 21:49 utc | 74 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 31 2023 22:04 utc | 148 Posted by: Inkan1969 | Aug 31 2023 21:58 utc | 76 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 31 2023 22:10 utc | 149 Posted by: Inkan1969 | Aug 31 2023 21:58 utc | 76 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 31 2023 22:10 utc | 150 If government controlled Ukraine had a population of 35 Million in early 2022 – then it would have had let is say 8 million military age men, so about 7 million fit for military service – therefore if we use 10% it will be 700K fatalities and 25% would give us about 1.8 million – absolutely horrific prospect Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 22:11 utc | 151 If government controlled Ukraine had a population of 35 Million in early 2022 – then it would have had let is say 8 million military age men, so about 7 million fit for military service – therefore if we use 10% it will be 700K fatalities and 25% would give us about 1.8 million – absolutely horrific prospect Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 22:11 utc | 152 It is Hilary at the American bankrupt trash of the child sniffing rapist still can’t grasp the people of Europe despise the war criminals. Posted by: Timbo | Aug 31 2023 22:23 utc | 153 It is Hilary at the American bankrupt trash of the child sniffing rapist still can’t grasp the people of Europe despise the war criminals. Posted by: Timbo | Aug 31 2023 22:23 utc | 154 Idon’t play pool, so I don’t know the slang for “свояк”, which was translated as “brother in law”. In Russian pool slang it it the ball which is being hit by the stick. Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 31 2023 22:23 utc | 155 Idon’t play pool, so I don’t know the slang for “свояк”, which was translated as “brother in law”. In Russian pool slang it it the ball which is being hit by the stick. Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 31 2023 22:23 utc | 156 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 16:00 utc | 4 Posted by: young | Aug 31 2023 22:35 utc | 157 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 16:00 utc | 4 Posted by: young | Aug 31 2023 22:35 utc | 158 The contempt is incredible, it ridicules people, that and the lack of reaction to being persistently humiliated is what’s terrifying. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Aug 31 2023 22:37 utc | 159 The contempt is incredible, it ridicules people, that and the lack of reaction to being persistently humiliated is what’s terrifying. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Aug 31 2023 22:37 utc | 160 Wildcard: Perhaps the Russians have developed a way to traverse the mud with their heavy equipment. If so, then the muds will make no difference for any Russian advancement. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 31 2023 22:38 utc | 161 Wildcard: Perhaps the Russians have developed a way to traverse the mud with their heavy equipment. If so, then the muds will make no difference for any Russian advancement. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 31 2023 22:38 utc | 162 Ukraine is ready to accept even more casulties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept. Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 31 2023 22:45 utc | 163 Ukraine is ready to accept even more casulties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept. Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 31 2023 22:45 utc | 164 Maybe because of decades of being constantly besieged by Soviet and then Putin hegemony it’s a desperate expression of defiance, desperate enough to misguidedly embrace a Fascist like Bandera just because he opposed Soviets. Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 31 2023 22:46 utc | 165 Maybe because of decades of being constantly besieged by Soviet and then Putin hegemony it’s a desperate expression of defiance, desperate enough to misguidedly embrace a Fascist like Bandera just because he opposed Soviets. Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 31 2023 22:46 utc | 166 Telegram/
@Slavyangrad Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 31 2023 22:54 utc | 167 Telegram/
@Slavyangrad Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 31 2023 22:54 utc | 168 SCCC | Aug 31 2023 21:00 utc | 66– SCCC | Aug 31 2023 21:00 utc | 66– @88 Posted by: Ново З | Aug 31 2023 23:02 utc | 171 @88 Posted by: Ново З | Aug 31 2023 23:02 utc | 172 by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 22:11 utc | 80 Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 31 2023 23:03 utc | 173 by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 22:11 utc | 80 Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 31 2023 23:03 utc | 174 Of course, how many of those will willingly/unwillingly put on a uniform and man the front lines?? Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 31 2023 23:04 utc | 175 Of course, how many of those will willingly/unwillingly put on a uniform and man the front lines?? Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 31 2023 23:04 utc | 176 Grim, isn’t it? Posted by: Newbie | Aug 31 2023 23:15 utc | 177 Grim, isn’t it? Posted by: Newbie | Aug 31 2023 23:15 utc | 178 So Kiev could by that measure with a population of say 30 million to pick what might be a reasonable figure would have 3 million available in the extreme. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 23:16 utc | 179 So Kiev could by that measure with a population of say 30 million to pick what might be a reasonable figure would have 3 million available in the extreme. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 23:16 utc | 180 Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 23:16 utc | 97 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2023 23:22 utc | 181 Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 23:16 utc | 97 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2023 23:22 utc | 182 Sorry, but do you have some link to the news about mobilizing Kiev metro personnel. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 31 2023 23:29 utc | 183 Sorry, but do you have some link to the news about mobilizing Kiev metro personnel. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 31 2023 23:29 utc | 184 Watched Weeb Union update and Military summary. Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2023 23:33 utc | 185 Watched Weeb Union update and Military summary. Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2023 23:33 utc | 186 Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 31 2023 22:45 utc | 86 Posted by: SCCC | Aug 31 2023 23:33 utc | 187 Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 31 2023 22:45 utc | 86 Posted by: SCCC | Aug 31 2023 23:33 utc | 188 Recent article on Grayzone… Posted by: Alex Vadim | Aug 31 2023 23:46 utc | 189 Recent article on Grayzone… Posted by: Alex Vadim | Aug 31 2023 23:46 utc | 190 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2023 23:33 utc | 100 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2023 23:53 utc | 191 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2023 23:33 utc | 100 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2023 23:53 utc | 192 The conflict, the active/high intensity phase of it will end in much earlier than one year, or it will escalate with Nato. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Aug 31 2023 23:54 utc | 193 The conflict, the active/high intensity phase of it will end in much earlier than one year, or it will escalate with Nato. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Aug 31 2023 23:54 utc | 194 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Sep 1 2023 0:06 utc | 195 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Sep 1 2023 0:06 utc | 196 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 31 2023 22:10 utc | 79 Posted by: Milites | Sep 1 2023 0:09 utc | 197 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 31 2023 22:10 utc | 79 Posted by: Milites | Sep 1 2023 0:09 utc | 198 And the largest cohort is aged 60-80. Posted by: SCCC | Sep 1 2023 0:10 utc | 199 And the largest cohort is aged 60-80. Posted by: SCCC | Sep 1 2023 0:10 utc | 200 |
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