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August 31, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-206
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Ukrainian “lost” soldier promptly surrenders to Russian troops. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 15:55 utc | 1 Ukrainian “lost” soldier promptly surrenders to Russian troops. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 15:55 utc | 2 Ukraine advances a little. Yet, they lose a lot of men and equipment. Posted by: young | Aug 31 2023 15:58 utc | 3 Ukraine advances a little. Yet, they lose a lot of men and equipment. Posted by: young | Aug 31 2023 15:58 utc | 4 Edit: that seems to have been removed. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 15:58 utc | 5 Edit: that seems to have been removed. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 15:58 utc | 6 @young 2 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 16:00 utc | 7 @young 2 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 16:00 utc | 8 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 16:00 utc | 4 Posted by: Inkan1969 | Aug 31 2023 16:04 utc | 9 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 16:00 utc | 4 Posted by: Inkan1969 | Aug 31 2023 16:04 utc | 10
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 31 2023 16:12 utc | 11
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 31 2023 16:12 utc | 12 Ukraine is ready to accept even more casulties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept. Posted by: simplex | Aug 31 2023 16:16 utc | 13 Ukraine is ready to accept even more casulties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept. Posted by: simplex | Aug 31 2023 16:16 utc | 14 @ simplex | Aug 31 2023 16:16 utc | 7 Posted by: james | Aug 31 2023 16:19 utc | 15 @ simplex | Aug 31 2023 16:16 utc | 7 Posted by: james | Aug 31 2023 16:19 utc | 16 Maria Zakharova was interviewed by the Italian news agency ANSA which mostly revolved around Ukraine. It was a rather stern lecture as you’ll read, but I wonder how much will be allowed to reach Italians:
Maria Zakharova was interviewed by the Italian news agency ANSA which mostly revolved around Ukraine. It was a rather stern lecture as you’ll read, but I wonder how much will be allowed to reach Italians:
#5 “A lot of the reason why Ukrainian progress has been slow is because they did not want to accept the higher casualties a faster counteroffensive would ensue, even though NATO advisors reportedly expected them to in their models.” Posted by: Caliman | Aug 31 2023 16:46 utc | 19 #5 “A lot of the reason why Ukrainian progress has been slow is because they did not want to accept the higher casualties a faster counteroffensive would ensue, even though NATO advisors reportedly expected them to in their models.” Posted by: Caliman | Aug 31 2023 16:46 utc | 20 @karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9
Be careful what you wish for… Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 31 2023 16:51 utc | 21 @karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9
Be careful what you wish for… Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 31 2023 16:51 utc | 22
Idon’t play pool, so I don’t know the slang for “свояк”, which was translated as “brother in law”. In Russian pool slang it it the ball which is being hit by the stick. Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 23
Idon’t play pool, so I don’t know the slang for “свояк”, which was translated as “brother in law”. In Russian pool slang it it the ball which is being hit by the stick. Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 24 Maria Zakharova was interviewed by the Italian news agency ANSA Posted by: Acco Hengst | Aug 31 2023 16:58 utc | 25 Maria Zakharova was interviewed by the Italian news agency ANSA Posted by: Acco Hengst | Aug 31 2023 16:58 utc | 26 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 31 2023 17:08 utc | 27 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 31 2023 17:08 utc | 28 Ukraine is ready to accept even more casulties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept. Posted by: Satepestage | Aug 31 2023 17:13 utc | 29 Ukraine is ready to accept even more casulties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept. Posted by: Satepestage | Aug 31 2023 17:13 utc | 30 While mud is a complicating factor in the region, it’s probably worth remembering that Russia made it’s initial offensive mostly in late February, March and April. A good chunk of the other seasonal mud issue. Posted by: Lex | Aug 31 2023 17:23 utc | 31 While mud is a complicating factor in the region, it’s probably worth remembering that Russia made it’s initial offensive mostly in late February, March and April. A good chunk of the other seasonal mud issue. Posted by: Lex | Aug 31 2023 17:23 utc | 32 Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12 Posted by: adesanto@rogers.com | Aug 31 2023 17:31 utc | 33 Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12 Posted by: adesanto@rogers.com | Aug 31 2023 17:31 utc | 34 Cyberspec News Telegram Channel Reports… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 17:56 utc | 35 Cyberspec News Telegram Channel Reports… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 17:56 utc | 36 Thanks for all the kudos showered on Maria’s wit as she certainly deserves them. Thanks for all the kudos showered on Maria’s wit as she certainly deserves them. 7 – Iran in the war with Iraq offset its equipment disadvantages by using its larger numbers and religious fanaticism, quite often using human wave attacks, often using pious children as shock troops. The war ground on in a stalemate and eventually, after years, a cease-fire was signed. Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 17:58 utc | 39 7 – Iran in the war with Iraq offset its equipment disadvantages by using its larger numbers and religious fanaticism, quite often using human wave attacks, often using pious children as shock troops. The war ground on in a stalemate and eventually, after years, a cease-fire was signed. Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 17:58 utc | 40 Ukraine is just becoming hateful toward anything Russian related because of Putin’s lunatic and imperialisr goals. Posted by: nik | Aug 31 2023 18:01 utc | 41 Ukraine is just becoming hateful toward anything Russian related because of Putin’s lunatic and imperialisr goals. Posted by: nik | Aug 31 2023 18:01 utc | 42 Nazi Ukraine is using anti-Russian hysteria to promote its fascist (i.e. anti-socialist) agenda. Posted by: leifengsexample | Aug 31 2023 18:06 utc | 43 Nazi Ukraine is using anti-Russian hysteria to promote its fascist (i.e. anti-socialist) agenda. Posted by: leifengsexample | Aug 31 2023 18:06 utc | 44 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9 Posted by: Chris N | Aug 31 2023 18:06 utc | 45 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9 Posted by: Chris N | Aug 31 2023 18:06 utc | 46
Ukraine is neither Nazi nor fascist. You should look up the definitions.
It’s hardly a hysteria when you are getting invaded by that country.
Russia is not socialist. Posted by: nik | Aug 31 2023 18:08 utc | 47
Ukraine is neither Nazi nor fascist. You should look up the definitions.
It’s hardly a hysteria when you are getting invaded by that country.
Russia is not socialist. Posted by: nik | Aug 31 2023 18:08 utc | 48 There are some Nazi fanatics in Kiev and I doubt whether Zelensky personally loses much sleep over losses, but I doubt whether the fanaticism factor is remotely close to, say, Khomeini’s Iran. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 18:08 utc | 49 There are some Nazi fanatics in Kiev and I doubt whether Zelensky personally loses much sleep over losses, but I doubt whether the fanaticism factor is remotely close to, say, Khomeini’s Iran. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 18:08 utc | 50 Wysłane przez: Johan Kaspar | 30 sierpnia 2023, 13:14 utc | 11 Posted by: nc | Aug 31 2023 18:10 utc | 51 Wysłane przez: Johan Kaspar | 30 sierpnia 2023, 13:14 utc | 11 Posted by: nc | Aug 31 2023 18:10 utc | 52 #14 Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Posted by: Koba | Aug 31 2023 18:13 utc | 53 #14 Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Posted by: Koba | Aug 31 2023 18:13 utc | 54 Brian Berletic dissecting US aid packages piece-by-piece. Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2023 18:15 utc | 55 Brian Berletic dissecting US aid packages piece-by-piece. Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2023 18:15 utc | 56 What would a western front do to Ukraine ? Posted by: Newbie | Aug 31 2023 18:17 utc | 57 What would a western front do to Ukraine ? Posted by: Newbie | Aug 31 2023 18:17 utc | 58
An Ambassador or some other Ukrainian official was speaking in the UK and he said something about the west should be extra generous to Ukraine since few countries would be willing to accept so many casualties which he said he didn’t have a number of but “I am sure will be horrific” (when finally tallied and announced). Posted by: Simon | Aug 31 2023 18:18 utc | 59
An Ambassador or some other Ukrainian official was speaking in the UK and he said something about the west should be extra generous to Ukraine since few countries would be willing to accept so many casualties which he said he didn’t have a number of but “I am sure will be horrific” (when finally tallied and announced). Posted by: Simon | Aug 31 2023 18:18 utc | 60 As others have pointed out, it actually is. Almost perfectly aligned with nearly every aspect of historic fascism.
This we’ve seen in every existing fascist state in history, Hitler and Mussolini were carried into power via the support of US, UK and other western financiers and industrialists (though there’s more of the former and less of the latter in modern imperial core states nowadays). Ukraine has not only received massive amounts of direct aid from imperial core countries, it’s the IMF’s 3rd largest borrower and is more or less at this point completely in the US’s pocket and since the 2014 US backed coup has accelerated this process. This doesn’t include local capitalists like Kolomoisky and the like who have been funding nazi paramilitaries. I’m sure more info will become available in the future we’ll have a better understanding of the links between Ukrainian’s capitalists and western finance but already things are suspicious.
With the backing of many of the worlds most prominent capitalists, fascists have historically privatized state owned property, we see this happening in Ukraine today, and at a breakneck pace even. There’s no attempt to hide this at all, it’s gleefully reported how any investor can initiate the privatization of any Ukrainian state or municipal asset for bargain barrel prices.
One of the most defining features of fascism is its enduring and viscous anti-communism. It is the original anti-communist movement, and in Ukraine we see after 2014 the communist party was banned, its members arrested or killed, even during the 2014 protests pro-Maidan protesters killed some 50 union members. Since the takeover in 2014 labor rights have been slashed to ribbons, unions gutted, Posted by: High Speed Idiot | Aug 31 2023 18:18 utc | 61 As others have pointed out, it actually is. Almost perfectly aligned with nearly every aspect of historic fascism.
This we’ve seen in every existing fascist state in history, Hitler and Mussolini were carried into power via the support of US, UK and other western financiers and industrialists (though there’s more of the former and less of the latter in modern imperial core states nowadays). Ukraine has not only received massive amounts of direct aid from imperial core countries, it’s the IMF’s 3rd largest borrower and is more or less at this point completely in the US’s pocket and since the 2014 US backed coup has accelerated this process. This doesn’t include local capitalists like Kolomoisky and the like who have been funding nazi paramilitaries. I’m sure more info will become available in the future we’ll have a better understanding of the links between Ukrainian’s capitalists and western finance but already things are suspicious.
With the backing of many of the worlds most prominent capitalists, fascists have historically privatized state owned property, we see this happening in Ukraine today, and at a breakneck pace even. There’s no attempt to hide this at all, it’s gleefully reported how any investor can initiate the privatization of any Ukrainian state or municipal asset for bargain barrel prices.
One of the most defining features of fascism is its enduring and viscous anti-communism. It is the original anti-communist movement, and in Ukraine we see after 2014 the communist party was banned, its members arrested or killed, even during the 2014 protests pro-Maidan protesters killed some 50 union members. Since the takeover in 2014 labor rights have been slashed to ribbons, unions gutted, Posted by: High Speed Idiot | Aug 31 2023 18:18 utc | 62 Dear Maria Zakharova: Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Aug 31 2023 18:20 utc | 63 Dear Maria Zakharova: Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Aug 31 2023 18:20 utc | 64 @Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 17:58 utc | 22 Posted by: BG13 | Aug 31 2023 18:20 utc | 65 @Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 17:58 utc | 22 Posted by: BG13 | Aug 31 2023 18:20 utc | 66 Ukraine is ready to accept even more casulties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept. Posted by: Aslangeo | Aug 31 2023 18:31 utc | 67 Ukraine is ready to accept even more casulties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept. Posted by: Aslangeo | Aug 31 2023 18:31 utc | 68 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KOYvo2IE5w Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 18:32 utc | 69 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KOYvo2IE5w Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 18:32 utc | 70 35 – Iran was certainly a theocracy during the Iran-Iraq war, whatever it is now. And they definitely played the religious self-sacrifice card a great deal. Much more than their Iraqi opponents who tended to play the Arab nationalist angle. Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 18:43 utc | 71 35 – Iran was certainly a theocracy during the Iran-Iraq war, whatever it is now. And they definitely played the religious self-sacrifice card a great deal. Much more than their Iraqi opponents who tended to play the Arab nationalist angle. Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 18:43 utc | 72 Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12
The cue ball ! But I will now always refer to it as the brother-in-law ! LOL ! Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Aug 31 2023 18:47 utc | 73 Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12
The cue ball ! But I will now always refer to it as the brother-in-law ! LOL ! Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Aug 31 2023 18:47 utc | 74 The Primakov Doctrine restores the self-confidence of Russia. Thus their success in 404. Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Aug 31 2023 18:48 utc | 75 The Primakov Doctrine restores the self-confidence of Russia. Thus their success in 404. Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Aug 31 2023 18:48 utc | 76 Ukraine is just becoming hateful toward anything Russian related because of Putin’s lunatic and imperialisr goals. Posted by: 600w | Aug 31 2023 18:49 utc | 77 Ukraine is just becoming hateful toward anything Russian related because of Putin’s lunatic and imperialisr goals. Posted by: 600w | Aug 31 2023 18:49 utc | 78 adesanto@rogers.com | Aug 31 2023 17:31 utc | 18
New nollij ! Love the saying ! Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Aug 31 2023 18:50 utc | 79 adesanto@rogers.com | Aug 31 2023 17:31 utc | 18
New nollij ! Love the saying ! Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Aug 31 2023 18:50 utc | 80 Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12 Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Aug 31 2023 18:54 utc | 81 Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12 Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Aug 31 2023 18:54 utc | 82 Maria’s interview at MID: Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Aug 31 2023 18:57 utc | 83 Maria’s interview at MID: Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Aug 31 2023 18:57 utc | 84 Arch Bungle @ 15
Actually Zakharova should be compared to USA State Department spokesperson, though that role in the USA is trivial and the actual equivalent is the White House spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre, who is a staggering imbecile of the the Kamala Harris, AOC, Von der Leyen word salad brain dysfunction model. A comparison to Zakharova can’t even be attempted without breaking the laws of nature. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 19:14 utc | 85 Arch Bungle @ 15
Actually Zakharova should be compared to USA State Department spokesperson, though that role in the USA is trivial and the actual equivalent is the White House spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre, who is a staggering imbecile of the the Kamala Harris, AOC, Von der Leyen word salad brain dysfunction model. A comparison to Zakharova can’t even be attempted without breaking the laws of nature. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 19:14 utc | 86 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 19:14 utc | 45 Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 31 2023 19:22 utc | 87 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 19:14 utc | 45 Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 31 2023 19:22 utc | 88 https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/polak-opowiada-o-tragicznej-sytuacji-w-ukrainie-sprzet-pali-sie-jak-zapalki-6934373478947744a Posted by: nc | Aug 31 2023 19:32 utc | 89 https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/polak-opowiada-o-tragicznej-sytuacji-w-ukrainie-sprzet-pali-sie-jak-zapalki-6934373478947744a Posted by: nc | Aug 31 2023 19:32 utc | 90 Video now on Yahoo says from Pryghozin ; To those who enjoy discussing his liquidation. . It may have been made before his last flight . Posted by: leocz | Aug 31 2023 19:34 utc | 91 Video now on Yahoo says from Pryghozin ; To those who enjoy discussing his liquidation. . It may have been made before his last flight . Posted by: leocz | Aug 31 2023 19:34 utc | 92 The hate anything and all Russian is mind bogling. Posted by: EXPAT | Aug 31 2023 19:56 utc | 93 The hate anything and all Russian is mind bogling. Posted by: EXPAT | Aug 31 2023 19:56 utc | 94 In I world war Serbia lost about 1/3 of male population without rebellion or massive desertions. So, Ukrainians could also easily accept to lose 1/3 – 1/2 of its male population. Dima is wrong that such high losses could stop Ukrainians. If you ever talked with them, they would do everything to “be loved by the west”. Posted by: Simplex | Aug 31 2023 20:05 utc | 95 In I world war Serbia lost about 1/3 of male population without rebellion or massive desertions. So, Ukrainians could also easily accept to lose 1/3 – 1/2 of its male population. Dima is wrong that such high losses could stop Ukrainians. If you ever talked with them, they would do everything to “be loved by the west”. Posted by: Simplex | Aug 31 2023 20:05 utc | 96 Hello UkraChatGpt. Posted by: Passerby | Aug 31 2023 20:06 utc | 97 Hello UkraChatGpt. Posted by: Passerby | Aug 31 2023 20:06 utc | 98 https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/polak-opowiada-o-tragicznej-sytuacji-w-ukrainie-sprzet-pali-sie-jak-zapalki-6934373478947744a Posted by: Ново З | Aug 31 2023 20:09 utc | 99 https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/polak-opowiada-o-tragicznej-sytuacji-w-ukrainie-sprzet-pali-sie-jak-zapalki-6934373478947744a Posted by: Ново З | Aug 31 2023 20:09 utc | 100 |
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