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August 31, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-206

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

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Ukrainian “lost” soldier promptly surrenders to Russian troops.
https://t.me/sonar_21/5591
Doesn’t look too upset to be captured, does he? Almost as though he was looking to be. And he gave up his unit name and location before even saying what his own name was🙂

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 15:55 utc | 1

Ukrainian “lost” soldier promptly surrenders to Russian troops.
https://t.me/sonar_21/5591
Doesn’t look too upset to be captured, does he? Almost as though he was looking to be. And he gave up his unit name and location before even saying what his own name was🙂

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 15:55 utc | 2

Ukraine advances a little. Yet, they lose a lot of men and equipment.
The Russians advance even less. Yet, they don’t lose so much men and equipment.
The zero line is pretty much a stalemate. This could change when the Ukrainian offensive slows and eventually stops due to too little reserves left.
Then, what will Russia do? Usually, the Ukrainian autumn muds that come in October and November historically has prevented much advancement by either side?
The 2023 zero line developments are almost complete unless either side has developed an easy way to traverse the coming very muddy fields.
I doubt that Ukraine and the West have developed such technology since they are desperately attempting to advance before the mud comes.
If the Russians have no mud traversing technology (MTT), then any significant advancements from either side will soon be over for this year.

Posted by: young | Aug 31 2023 15:58 utc | 3

Ukraine advances a little. Yet, they lose a lot of men and equipment.
The Russians advance even less. Yet, they don’t lose so much men and equipment.
The zero line is pretty much a stalemate. This could change when the Ukrainian offensive slows and eventually stops due to too little reserves left.
Then, what will Russia do? Usually, the Ukrainian autumn muds that come in October and November historically has prevented much advancement by either side?
The 2023 zero line developments are almost complete unless either side has developed an easy way to traverse the coming very muddy fields.
I doubt that Ukraine and the West have developed such technology since they are desperately attempting to advance before the mud comes.
If the Russians have no mud traversing technology (MTT), then any significant advancements from either side will soon be over for this year.

Posted by: young | Aug 31 2023 15:58 utc | 4

Edit: that seems to have been removed.
It is on here still:
https://t.me/c/1668032400/172480

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 15:58 utc | 5

Edit: that seems to have been removed.
It is on here still:
https://t.me/c/1668032400/172480

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 15:58 utc | 6

@young 2
Russia could advance in winter if it wants to. The question as always is the political will to accept the casualties that this will involve.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 16:00 utc | 7

@young 2
Russia could advance in winter if it wants to. The question as always is the political will to accept the casualties that this will involve.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 16:00 utc | 8

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 16:00 utc | 4
Russia could advance in winter if it wants to. The question as always is the political will to accept the casualties that this will involve.
A lot of the reason why Ukrainian progress has been slow is because they did not want to accept the higher casualties a faster counteroffensive would ensue, even though NATO advisors reportedly expected them to in their models.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Aug 31 2023 16:04 utc | 9

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 31 2023 16:00 utc | 4
Russia could advance in winter if it wants to. The question as always is the political will to accept the casualties that this will involve.
A lot of the reason why Ukrainian progress has been slow is because they did not want to accept the higher casualties a faster counteroffensive would ensue, even though NATO advisors reportedly expected them to in their models.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Aug 31 2023 16:04 utc | 10

https://t.me/intelslava/50900

📉 Charles Schwab owes 130% of their total equity capital to short duration FHLB loans that have to be paid back soon.
Total assets $350 billion…There’s your September Lehman Brothers.

https://t.me/intelslava/50902

🏦 Current unrealized losses in the US banking system is -$1.8 trillion out of only $2.2 trillion capital
With corporate taxes due Sep 15 & possible gov shutdown Oct 2, the general public has no idea the banks are already insolvent entering a nightmare liquidity scenario in October.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 31 2023 16:12 utc | 11

https://t.me/intelslava/50900

📉 Charles Schwab owes 130% of their total equity capital to short duration FHLB loans that have to be paid back soon.
Total assets $350 billion…There’s your September Lehman Brothers.

https://t.me/intelslava/50902

🏦 Current unrealized losses in the US banking system is -$1.8 trillion out of only $2.2 trillion capital
With corporate taxes due Sep 15 & possible gov shutdown Oct 2, the general public has no idea the banks are already insolvent entering a nightmare liquidity scenario in October.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 31 2023 16:12 utc | 12

Ukraine is ready to accept even more casulties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept.

Posted by: simplex | Aug 31 2023 16:16 utc | 13

Ukraine is ready to accept even more casulties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept.

Posted by: simplex | Aug 31 2023 16:16 utc | 14

@ simplex | Aug 31 2023 16:16 utc | 7
usa-nato and zelensky and friends are ready to accept even more casualties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept.
fixed it for you…

Posted by: james | Aug 31 2023 16:19 utc | 15

@ simplex | Aug 31 2023 16:16 utc | 7
usa-nato and zelensky and friends are ready to accept even more casualties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept.
fixed it for you…

Posted by: james | Aug 31 2023 16:19 utc | 16

Maria Zakharova was interviewed by the Italian news agency ANSA which mostly revolved around Ukraine. It was a rather stern lecture as you’ll read, but I wonder how much will be allowed to reach Italians:

Question: Profits from oil and gas exports are falling noticeably, the ruble has collapsed, and inflation is rising. At the same time, drones reach Moscow almost every day. How much longer will Russia be able to continue this conflict?
Maria Zakharova: It’s ridiculous to listen to you. The calculation of the United States was that we would not last even a month in 2022, after they brought down on us, in their own words, “hellish sanctions”. And they are right in some ways: they behave like real demons, and neither Italy, nor Germany, nor France, nor Britain, nor the United States itself would have recovered from such sanctions. Any NATO country would collapse within a week. And we live, develop, move forward.
Our economy is growing at a good pace. Despite, frankly, the pessimistic forecasts that have sounded and are still heard from some experts, primarily, of course, Western experts, Russia at the end of 2022 – despite all these forecasts – entered the “five” largest economies in the world. According to the World Bank, the Russian Federation has come out ahead, overtaking the Federal Republic of Germany in terms of purchasing power parity, in terms of the size of the economy. This is one of the most important indicators. Thus, in the second quarter of this year, gross domestic product grew by 4.9% compared to the same period last year. Moreover, industries that are not related to the extraction of natural resources, including oil and gas, are growing at a faster pace.
With some states whose leaders do not succumb to boorish external pressure, but are guided not by others, but by their own national interests, the volume of our mutual trade has grown not even by some tens of percent, but by several times and now continues to grow further.
Our natural resources are being bought despite the price ceilings that are being introduced. Russian fuel at a competitive price allows friendly countries to restrain price increases, increase industrial and agricultural production. This strengthens their energy security and economic sustainability.
And this reality terrifies the entire NATO axis of evil (and you are the axis of evil, of course). Behind us is the truth and the whole free world. And for NATO, “soap bubbles”, a thirst for money and power, nostalgia for colonialism.
Now about “how long will we last.” As we say, you can’t wait. We are united, we know that we are going to the end, we see that the truth is behind us.
And a little about the facts that do not reach the Western audience.
Today, Russia is actually single-handedly confronting the NATO-Ukrainian military-industrial conglomerate, in which Ukraine plays the role of a springboard, battlefield and instrument of armed struggle against Russia, and Western countries perform the functions of headquarters, rear, supplier of weapons, intelligence and target designation.
The Kyiv regime, indeed, is actively using drones to attack civilian infrastructure and civilians. We see in such actions of Kiev and its NATO curators a cowardly attempt to recoup in impotent anger at civilian facilities and civilians for the failure of the so-called “counteroffensive” and the inability to change the situation on the line of contact in their favor, despite massive Western assistance.
As for the duration of the special military operation, it largely depends on how quickly Kyiv and the West will understand that we will not tolerate the existence of an openly anti-Russian state on our borders, whatever its borders. This is impossible either from the point of view of Russia’s security or from the point of view of the security of any other state.
Question: A senior NATO official, Stephen Jensen, suggested that Ukraine could cede its territories to Russia in exchange for joining NATO. What is your opinion on the possible spread of the idea of ceding part of the territory of Ukraine in the West? Can Russia be satisfied with this compromise? And what else could Russia offer in exchange?
Maria Zakharova: It was a stuffing to gradually accustom Kiev to the idea that NATO would not fight for Ukraine. For Western officialdom, resolving the Ukrainian crisis by diplomatic means is not a priority. He plans to prolong the conflict so that the Kyiv regime wages a war of attrition with Russia. At the same time, losses among Ukrainians do not matter to NATO. For the alliance, they are just expendable material in achieving geopolitical goals.
In addition, it is not entirely clear what territorial concessions we are talking about. Crimea and Sevastopol, the DPR and LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions became part of the Russian Federation in full compliance with international law: within the framework of the exercise of the right to self-determination in accordance with the 1970 Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Cooperation among States in accordance with the UN Charter. Residents of these territories voted in referendums for independence and accession to Russia. The presence of these regions as part of our country is an objective reality.
By the way, have you heard what the Blinkens, Borrells, Stoltenbergs have been saying for 1.5 years? They stated that everything should be decided on the battlefield. With their statements, they strengthened our positions: from the point of view of international law, we legally included new territories in Russia, and on the battlefield, as Westerners say, we defended them.
Our demands for resolving the European security crisis provoked by Washington and Brussels are well known. First, the parameters of the security guarantees provided to each other by Russia and the West must be agreed upon, in the spirit of the proposals we made to the United States and NATO in December 2021.
The United States and its allies must finally learn that the goal of the special military operation is not to seize the territory of Ukraine, but to denazify and demilitarize it, ensuring the non-aligned status of this country. Only in this case can we talk about eliminating threats to the security of Russia and its citizens.
Question: Neither President Vladimir Putin nor Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov received him during Cardinal Zuppi’s visit to Russia, although US President Joe Biden had a two-hour conversation with him in Washington. Does this fact mean that Russia does not believe in the Vatican’s peace initiative?
Maria Zakharova: I think that your question is not entirely correct. Relations between Moscow and the Vatican today, unlike most other European countries, are distinguished by a mutually respectful and constructive approach to building a bilateral dialogue. Russia has repeatedly stressed that it highly appreciates the Vatican’s balanced line on the conflict in Ukraine, the efforts of the Holy See and Pope Francis personally to find a peaceful settlement, which, unfortunately, are openly rejected by the Kiev regime.
Moscow remains open to contacts with all countries seeking to contribute to the restoration of peace. That is why on June 27 of this year, as soon as the Vatican side asked us to do so, Cardinal M. Zuppi was received in Moscow. Indeed, the exceptionally tight schedule of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov did not allow us to hold meetings with the cardinal, but the program of his visit to Moscow was extremely busy. He had two conversations with Presidential Aide Yulia Ushakov, which clearly demonstrates the importance that Moscow attaches to the dialogue with the Holy See on Ukraine, as well as his separate meetings with Presidential Commissioner for Children’s Rights Maria Lvova-Belova and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia.
I would like to emphasise that the dialogue with the Vatican continues. Our country is ready to cooperate with all those who seek to contribute to a peaceful settlement of the conflict around Ukraine, taking into account the well-known interests of Russia and existing realities.
Question: Will there come a day when Russia and Italy will become friends again, as they did in the past?
Maria Zakharova: Unfortunately, everything suggests that the current deep crisis in bilateral relations is here to stay. Following in a disciplined manner in the wake of the United States, Italy has chosen a course for the purposeful dismantling of the complex of Russian-Italian cooperation in various fields that has been developed over decades, and is supplying increasingly heavy and deadly weapons and military equipment to Ukraine used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including for striking Russian territory. Rome fully supported the hybrid war waged by the West, aimed at exhausting and weakening Russia, undermining its international positions, limiting sovereignty and the ability to pursue an independent domestic and foreign policy. If someone thinks that such actions go unnoticed by the Russian leadership and our citizens, then this is not so. All the necessary conclusions have been drawn.
At the same time, we have a lot of good things in common with Italy, with its wonderful people, which, we know this well, despite all the Russophobic exercises of the paid mainstream media, retains deep sympathy and interest in Russia, its culture and its people. The Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation between the Russian Federation and the Italian Republic, concluded in Moscow on October 14, 1994, remains in force.
It seems to me that sooner or later economic reasons, cultural and historical closeness of peoples, objective needs of global development will lead the Italian leadership to understand the need to restore bilateral ties that have been destroyed today. Russia is open to the revival of the entire range of relations with Italy based on the principles of mutual respect, equality and consideration for each other’s legitimate interests, including in the field of security.
It is time for the Italian government to see the light and see the true causes of the global crisis created by the West.
Remember the economic crisis of 2008, which had a devastating force for the world economy? It did not arise on its own. Its causes were the “bursting bubble” of the American real estate market. Real estate manipulation could no longer be covered by Washington, and this segment of the American economy then collapsed, dragging the whole world with it. At that time, it was not the United States that saved the world economy, and not the notorious economic “seven”, but the rest of the countries that became victims of American financial pyramids. The countries united in the “twenty” and began to lead the world out of the crisis.
This is how the collapse of American international political manipulation has led to the Ukrainian crisis. Instead of admitting their criminal mistakes in the form of interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine, carrying out coups d’état there, sponsoring nationalist regimes, they began to persist in their rightness and prove that they could continue to dictate their will to the region. And on the Anglo-Saxon plan itself, it is much more insidious – Ukraine with a puppet regime is only a tool, direct targets, as it seems, are Russia and China, and an indirect, but the strongest blow fell on the EU. I don’t know if Mrs. Meloni plays billiards, if not, then let her be told what a “brother-in-law” is.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 17

Maria Zakharova was interviewed by the Italian news agency ANSA which mostly revolved around Ukraine. It was a rather stern lecture as you’ll read, but I wonder how much will be allowed to reach Italians:

Question: Profits from oil and gas exports are falling noticeably, the ruble has collapsed, and inflation is rising. At the same time, drones reach Moscow almost every day. How much longer will Russia be able to continue this conflict?
Maria Zakharova: It’s ridiculous to listen to you. The calculation of the United States was that we would not last even a month in 2022, after they brought down on us, in their own words, “hellish sanctions”. And they are right in some ways: they behave like real demons, and neither Italy, nor Germany, nor France, nor Britain, nor the United States itself would have recovered from such sanctions. Any NATO country would collapse within a week. And we live, develop, move forward.
Our economy is growing at a good pace. Despite, frankly, the pessimistic forecasts that have sounded and are still heard from some experts, primarily, of course, Western experts, Russia at the end of 2022 – despite all these forecasts – entered the “five” largest economies in the world. According to the World Bank, the Russian Federation has come out ahead, overtaking the Federal Republic of Germany in terms of purchasing power parity, in terms of the size of the economy. This is one of the most important indicators. Thus, in the second quarter of this year, gross domestic product grew by 4.9% compared to the same period last year. Moreover, industries that are not related to the extraction of natural resources, including oil and gas, are growing at a faster pace.
With some states whose leaders do not succumb to boorish external pressure, but are guided not by others, but by their own national interests, the volume of our mutual trade has grown not even by some tens of percent, but by several times and now continues to grow further.
Our natural resources are being bought despite the price ceilings that are being introduced. Russian fuel at a competitive price allows friendly countries to restrain price increases, increase industrial and agricultural production. This strengthens their energy security and economic sustainability.
And this reality terrifies the entire NATO axis of evil (and you are the axis of evil, of course). Behind us is the truth and the whole free world. And for NATO, “soap bubbles”, a thirst for money and power, nostalgia for colonialism.
Now about “how long will we last.” As we say, you can’t wait. We are united, we know that we are going to the end, we see that the truth is behind us.
And a little about the facts that do not reach the Western audience.
Today, Russia is actually single-handedly confronting the NATO-Ukrainian military-industrial conglomerate, in which Ukraine plays the role of a springboard, battlefield and instrument of armed struggle against Russia, and Western countries perform the functions of headquarters, rear, supplier of weapons, intelligence and target designation.
The Kyiv regime, indeed, is actively using drones to attack civilian infrastructure and civilians. We see in such actions of Kiev and its NATO curators a cowardly attempt to recoup in impotent anger at civilian facilities and civilians for the failure of the so-called “counteroffensive” and the inability to change the situation on the line of contact in their favor, despite massive Western assistance.
As for the duration of the special military operation, it largely depends on how quickly Kyiv and the West will understand that we will not tolerate the existence of an openly anti-Russian state on our borders, whatever its borders. This is impossible either from the point of view of Russia’s security or from the point of view of the security of any other state.
Question: A senior NATO official, Stephen Jensen, suggested that Ukraine could cede its territories to Russia in exchange for joining NATO. What is your opinion on the possible spread of the idea of ceding part of the territory of Ukraine in the West? Can Russia be satisfied with this compromise? And what else could Russia offer in exchange?
Maria Zakharova: It was a stuffing to gradually accustom Kiev to the idea that NATO would not fight for Ukraine. For Western officialdom, resolving the Ukrainian crisis by diplomatic means is not a priority. He plans to prolong the conflict so that the Kyiv regime wages a war of attrition with Russia. At the same time, losses among Ukrainians do not matter to NATO. For the alliance, they are just expendable material in achieving geopolitical goals.
In addition, it is not entirely clear what territorial concessions we are talking about. Crimea and Sevastopol, the DPR and LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions became part of the Russian Federation in full compliance with international law: within the framework of the exercise of the right to self-determination in accordance with the 1970 Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Cooperation among States in accordance with the UN Charter. Residents of these territories voted in referendums for independence and accession to Russia. The presence of these regions as part of our country is an objective reality.
By the way, have you heard what the Blinkens, Borrells, Stoltenbergs have been saying for 1.5 years? They stated that everything should be decided on the battlefield. With their statements, they strengthened our positions: from the point of view of international law, we legally included new territories in Russia, and on the battlefield, as Westerners say, we defended them.
Our demands for resolving the European security crisis provoked by Washington and Brussels are well known. First, the parameters of the security guarantees provided to each other by Russia and the West must be agreed upon, in the spirit of the proposals we made to the United States and NATO in December 2021.
The United States and its allies must finally learn that the goal of the special military operation is not to seize the territory of Ukraine, but to denazify and demilitarize it, ensuring the non-aligned status of this country. Only in this case can we talk about eliminating threats to the security of Russia and its citizens.
Question: Neither President Vladimir Putin nor Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov received him during Cardinal Zuppi’s visit to Russia, although US President Joe Biden had a two-hour conversation with him in Washington. Does this fact mean that Russia does not believe in the Vatican’s peace initiative?
Maria Zakharova: I think that your question is not entirely correct. Relations between Moscow and the Vatican today, unlike most other European countries, are distinguished by a mutually respectful and constructive approach to building a bilateral dialogue. Russia has repeatedly stressed that it highly appreciates the Vatican’s balanced line on the conflict in Ukraine, the efforts of the Holy See and Pope Francis personally to find a peaceful settlement, which, unfortunately, are openly rejected by the Kiev regime.
Moscow remains open to contacts with all countries seeking to contribute to the restoration of peace. That is why on June 27 of this year, as soon as the Vatican side asked us to do so, Cardinal M. Zuppi was received in Moscow. Indeed, the exceptionally tight schedule of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov did not allow us to hold meetings with the cardinal, but the program of his visit to Moscow was extremely busy. He had two conversations with Presidential Aide Yulia Ushakov, which clearly demonstrates the importance that Moscow attaches to the dialogue with the Holy See on Ukraine, as well as his separate meetings with Presidential Commissioner for Children’s Rights Maria Lvova-Belova and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia.
I would like to emphasise that the dialogue with the Vatican continues. Our country is ready to cooperate with all those who seek to contribute to a peaceful settlement of the conflict around Ukraine, taking into account the well-known interests of Russia and existing realities.
Question: Will there come a day when Russia and Italy will become friends again, as they did in the past?
Maria Zakharova: Unfortunately, everything suggests that the current deep crisis in bilateral relations is here to stay. Following in a disciplined manner in the wake of the United States, Italy has chosen a course for the purposeful dismantling of the complex of Russian-Italian cooperation in various fields that has been developed over decades, and is supplying increasingly heavy and deadly weapons and military equipment to Ukraine used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including for striking Russian territory. Rome fully supported the hybrid war waged by the West, aimed at exhausting and weakening Russia, undermining its international positions, limiting sovereignty and the ability to pursue an independent domestic and foreign policy. If someone thinks that such actions go unnoticed by the Russian leadership and our citizens, then this is not so. All the necessary conclusions have been drawn.
At the same time, we have a lot of good things in common with Italy, with its wonderful people, which, we know this well, despite all the Russophobic exercises of the paid mainstream media, retains deep sympathy and interest in Russia, its culture and its people. The Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation between the Russian Federation and the Italian Republic, concluded in Moscow on October 14, 1994, remains in force.
It seems to me that sooner or later economic reasons, cultural and historical closeness of peoples, objective needs of global development will lead the Italian leadership to understand the need to restore bilateral ties that have been destroyed today. Russia is open to the revival of the entire range of relations with Italy based on the principles of mutual respect, equality and consideration for each other’s legitimate interests, including in the field of security.
It is time for the Italian government to see the light and see the true causes of the global crisis created by the West.
Remember the economic crisis of 2008, which had a devastating force for the world economy? It did not arise on its own. Its causes were the “bursting bubble” of the American real estate market. Real estate manipulation could no longer be covered by Washington, and this segment of the American economy then collapsed, dragging the whole world with it. At that time, it was not the United States that saved the world economy, and not the notorious economic “seven”, but the rest of the countries that became victims of American financial pyramids. The countries united in the “twenty” and began to lead the world out of the crisis.
This is how the collapse of American international political manipulation has led to the Ukrainian crisis. Instead of admitting their criminal mistakes in the form of interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine, carrying out coups d’état there, sponsoring nationalist regimes, they began to persist in their rightness and prove that they could continue to dictate their will to the region. And on the Anglo-Saxon plan itself, it is much more insidious – Ukraine with a puppet regime is only a tool, direct targets, as it seems, are Russia and China, and an indirect, but the strongest blow fell on the EU. I don’t know if Mrs. Meloni plays billiards, if not, then let her be told what a “brother-in-law” is.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 18

#5 “A lot of the reason why Ukrainian progress has been slow is because they did not want to accept the higher casualties a faster counteroffensive would ensue, even though NATO advisors reportedly expected them to in their models.”
They went “fast” the first week or two, as instructed. The only thing that happened was they lost soldiers and equipment fast. If they would have continued same, they would have lost it all by now.
Slow is actually more successful to them tactically, but not strategically, as slow means they may lose their western sugar daddies sooner.

Posted by: Caliman | Aug 31 2023 16:46 utc | 19

#5 “A lot of the reason why Ukrainian progress has been slow is because they did not want to accept the higher casualties a faster counteroffensive would ensue, even though NATO advisors reportedly expected them to in their models.”
They went “fast” the first week or two, as instructed. The only thing that happened was they lost soldiers and equipment fast. If they would have continued same, they would have lost it all by now.
Slow is actually more successful to them tactically, but not strategically, as slow means they may lose their western sugar daddies sooner.

Posted by: Caliman | Aug 31 2023 16:46 utc | 20

@karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9

By the way, have you heard what the Blinkens, Borrells, Stoltenbergs have been saying for 1.5 years? They stated that everything should be decided on the battlefield.

Be careful what you wish for…

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 31 2023 16:51 utc | 21

@karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9

By the way, have you heard what the Blinkens, Borrells, Stoltenbergs have been saying for 1.5 years? They stated that everything should be decided on the battlefield.

Be careful what you wish for…

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 31 2023 16:51 utc | 22

I don’t know if Mrs. Meloni plays billiards, if not, then let her be told what a “brother-in-law” is.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9

Idon’t play pool, so I don’t know the slang for “свояк”, which was translated as “brother in law”. In Russian pool slang it it the ball which is being hit by the stick.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 23

I don’t know if Mrs. Meloni plays billiards, if not, then let her be told what a “brother-in-law” is.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9

Idon’t play pool, so I don’t know the slang for “свояк”, which was translated as “brother in law”. In Russian pool slang it it the ball which is being hit by the stick.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 24

Maria Zakharova was interviewed by the Italian news agency ANSA
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9
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Amazing woman. Articulate as all can be.
She can eat HRC and the likes for breakfast.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Aug 31 2023 16:58 utc | 25

Maria Zakharova was interviewed by the Italian news agency ANSA
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9
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Amazing woman. Articulate as all can be.
She can eat HRC and the likes for breakfast.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Aug 31 2023 16:58 utc | 26

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9
Impressive.
The contrast between Zakharova and Vicky Nuland is like gold against dross.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 31 2023 17:08 utc | 27

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9
Impressive.
The contrast between Zakharova and Vicky Nuland is like gold against dross.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 31 2023 17:08 utc | 28

Ukraine is ready to accept even more casulties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept.
Posted by: simplex | Aug 31 2023 16:16 utc | 7
USSR lost 10-15% of the population and still kept going. The West can supply Ukraine to a far greater extent than it did the USSR so in functional terms they can probably afford to lose millions.
Morale is probably going to be the decisive factor.

Posted by: Satepestage | Aug 31 2023 17:13 utc | 29

Ukraine is ready to accept even more casulties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept.
Posted by: simplex | Aug 31 2023 16:16 utc | 7
USSR lost 10-15% of the population and still kept going. The West can supply Ukraine to a far greater extent than it did the USSR so in functional terms they can probably afford to lose millions.
Morale is probably going to be the decisive factor.

Posted by: Satepestage | Aug 31 2023 17:13 utc | 30

While mud is a complicating factor in the region, it’s probably worth remembering that Russia made it’s initial offensive mostly in late February, March and April. A good chunk of the other seasonal mud issue.

Posted by: Lex | Aug 31 2023 17:23 utc | 31

While mud is a complicating factor in the region, it’s probably worth remembering that Russia made it’s initial offensive mostly in late February, March and April. A good chunk of the other seasonal mud issue.

Posted by: Lex | Aug 31 2023 17:23 utc | 32

Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12
brother-in-law: one of two players who hustler a third player in a 3-player game.

Posted by: adesanto@rogers.com | Aug 31 2023 17:31 utc | 33

Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12
brother-in-law: one of two players who hustler a third player in a 3-player game.

Posted by: adesanto@rogers.com | Aug 31 2023 17:31 utc | 34

Cyberspec News Telegram Channel Reports…
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/40810
Zaporozhye Sector, latest Archangel Spetsnaz (https://t.me/rusich_army/10639) Post:
During an attempt to conduct offensive operations near the settlement of Verbovo, one of the Ukrainian Armed Forces brigades suffered significant losses. Evacuation efforts were disrupted, the evacuation point was destroyed, and the wounded turned into dead. Our forces leave no chance for anyone to escape. The surviving Ukrainian Armed Forces units refuse to advance to the front positions and retrieve the wounded and deceased.”

This is a “No Holds Barred… War To The Finish”
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 17:56 utc | 35

Cyberspec News Telegram Channel Reports…
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/40810
Zaporozhye Sector, latest Archangel Spetsnaz (https://t.me/rusich_army/10639) Post:
During an attempt to conduct offensive operations near the settlement of Verbovo, one of the Ukrainian Armed Forces brigades suffered significant losses. Evacuation efforts were disrupted, the evacuation point was destroyed, and the wounded turned into dead. Our forces leave no chance for anyone to escape. The surviving Ukrainian Armed Forces units refuse to advance to the front positions and retrieve the wounded and deceased.”

This is a “No Holds Barred… War To The Finish”
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 17:56 utc | 36

Thanks for all the kudos showered on Maria’s wit as she certainly deserves them.
adesanto@rogers.com | Aug 31 2023 17:31 utc | 18–
Thanks very much for your reply as it makes contextual sense–Italy was hustled by the USA/UK into something that’s unhealthy for it. The other possibility offered by Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12 is also possible with Italy being the ball struck by the US Empire’s stick.
Lavrov also held a presser today after his meeting with his Turkish counterpart that was mostly his remarks about their meeting, although one Q was asked. It’s combined with Zakharova’s interview and a few news items here, “Maria Zakharova Lectures Italy’s ANSA News Agency & Lavrov’s Turkish Talks Results”.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 17:58 utc | 37

Thanks for all the kudos showered on Maria’s wit as she certainly deserves them.
adesanto@rogers.com | Aug 31 2023 17:31 utc | 18–
Thanks very much for your reply as it makes contextual sense–Italy was hustled by the USA/UK into something that’s unhealthy for it. The other possibility offered by Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12 is also possible with Italy being the ball struck by the US Empire’s stick.
Lavrov also held a presser today after his meeting with his Turkish counterpart that was mostly his remarks about their meeting, although one Q was asked. It’s combined with Zakharova’s interview and a few news items here, “Maria Zakharova Lectures Italy’s ANSA News Agency & Lavrov’s Turkish Talks Results”.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 17:58 utc | 38

7 – Iran in the war with Iraq offset its equipment disadvantages by using its larger numbers and religious fanaticism, quite often using human wave attacks, often using pious children as shock troops. The war ground on in a stalemate and eventually, after years, a cease-fire was signed.
There are some Nazi fanatics in Kiev and I doubt whether Zelensky personally loses much sleep over losses, but I doubt whether the fanaticism factor is remotely close to, say, Khomeini’s Iran.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 17:58 utc | 39

7 – Iran in the war with Iraq offset its equipment disadvantages by using its larger numbers and religious fanaticism, quite often using human wave attacks, often using pious children as shock troops. The war ground on in a stalemate and eventually, after years, a cease-fire was signed.
There are some Nazi fanatics in Kiev and I doubt whether Zelensky personally loses much sleep over losses, but I doubt whether the fanaticism factor is remotely close to, say, Khomeini’s Iran.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 17:58 utc | 40

Ukraine is just becoming hateful toward anything Russian related because of Putin’s lunatic and imperialisr goals.

Posted by: nik | Aug 31 2023 18:01 utc | 41

Ukraine is just becoming hateful toward anything Russian related because of Putin’s lunatic and imperialisr goals.

Posted by: nik | Aug 31 2023 18:01 utc | 42

Nazi Ukraine is using anti-Russian hysteria to promote its fascist (i.e. anti-socialist) agenda.

Posted by: leifengsexample | Aug 31 2023 18:06 utc | 43

Nazi Ukraine is using anti-Russian hysteria to promote its fascist (i.e. anti-socialist) agenda.

Posted by: leifengsexample | Aug 31 2023 18:06 utc | 44

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9
When is the last time we heard anything from Western officials approaching this level of understanding and coherence?

Posted by: Chris N | Aug 31 2023 18:06 utc | 45

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 16:36 utc | 9
When is the last time we heard anything from Western officials approaching this level of understanding and coherence?

Posted by: Chris N | Aug 31 2023 18:06 utc | 46

Nazi Ukraine

Ukraine is neither Nazi nor fascist. You should look up the definitions.

anti-Russian hysteria

It’s hardly a hysteria when you are getting invaded by that country.

(i.e. anti-socialist) agenda.

Russia is not socialist.

Posted by: nik | Aug 31 2023 18:08 utc | 47

Nazi Ukraine

Ukraine is neither Nazi nor fascist. You should look up the definitions.

anti-Russian hysteria

It’s hardly a hysteria when you are getting invaded by that country.

(i.e. anti-socialist) agenda.

Russia is not socialist.

Posted by: nik | Aug 31 2023 18:08 utc | 48

There are some Nazi fanatics in Kiev and I doubt whether Zelensky personally loses much sleep over losses, but I doubt whether the fanaticism factor is remotely close to, say, Khomeini’s Iran.
Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 17:58 utc | 22

An important, critical, item not mentioned above…
Ukrainian NAZI Fanatics sit behind the front line(s) for the purpose of shooting conscripts and enlistees who attempt to retreat or surrender. They do not themselves face the Russians…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 18:08 utc | 49

There are some Nazi fanatics in Kiev and I doubt whether Zelensky personally loses much sleep over losses, but I doubt whether the fanaticism factor is remotely close to, say, Khomeini’s Iran.
Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 17:58 utc | 22

An important, critical, item not mentioned above…
Ukrainian NAZI Fanatics sit behind the front line(s) for the purpose of shooting conscripts and enlistees who attempt to retreat or surrender. They do not themselves face the Russians…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 31 2023 18:08 utc | 50

Wysłane przez: Johan Kaspar | 30 sierpnia 2023, 13:14 utc | 11
Mainstream in Poland it’s already falling asleep…
Google:
NWI3YzdjYTYoUS9JSxFsI2sJexMNSGJ1PBFjWEslYWF9AyFPXFphMSBfPAgBGiF5LkEsCgUdPnk5X3YbFANhIXgcPRMXGiI2MBw8FwYPKngsCj9KV1p5NmQHPRtRR3piegJ0GFFae3pxVz9DVF8sYCoEOh9GFw
look how much nationalism and banderism there…

Posted by: nc | Aug 31 2023 18:10 utc | 51

Wysłane przez: Johan Kaspar | 30 sierpnia 2023, 13:14 utc | 11
Mainstream in Poland it’s already falling asleep…
Google:
NWI3YzdjYTYoUS9JSxFsI2sJexMNSGJ1PBFjWEslYWF9AyFPXFphMSBfPAgBGiF5LkEsCgUdPnk5X3YbFANhIXgcPRMXGiI2MBw8FwYPKngsCj9KV1p5NmQHPRtRR3piegJ0GFFae3pxVz9DVF8sYCoEOh9GFw
look how much nationalism and banderism there…

Posted by: nc | Aug 31 2023 18:10 utc | 52

#14 Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
———–
Actually, Japan continued to fight after that. Only after it’s million-man army was defeated in the Manchurian operation, Japan capitulated.

Posted by: Koba | Aug 31 2023 18:13 utc | 53

#14 Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
———–
Actually, Japan continued to fight after that. Only after it’s million-man army was defeated in the Manchurian operation, Japan capitulated.

Posted by: Koba | Aug 31 2023 18:13 utc | 54

Brian Berletic dissecting US aid packages piece-by-piece.
Generally he concludes that the packages are weak, don’t include even quantity of ammunition, don’t include Patriot A/D missiles or systems (yet they do AIM-9 missiles). More Humvee ambulances. If you need more ambulances, does that say something about “winning”?
Due to Nato’s impotence and ineptitude, Ukraine is running out of pretty much everything.
Germany is trying to negotiate Greece to send 100 Leopard 1 tanks, another upgrade from current Leopard 2s.
Brian also concludes with Blinken’s remarks of US continuing to aid Ukraine “as long as it takes”. In reality, US will just continue as long as it can, which isn’t that long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgeemB8q8Qs

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2023 18:15 utc | 55

Brian Berletic dissecting US aid packages piece-by-piece.
Generally he concludes that the packages are weak, don’t include even quantity of ammunition, don’t include Patriot A/D missiles or systems (yet they do AIM-9 missiles). More Humvee ambulances. If you need more ambulances, does that say something about “winning”?
Due to Nato’s impotence and ineptitude, Ukraine is running out of pretty much everything.
Germany is trying to negotiate Greece to send 100 Leopard 1 tanks, another upgrade from current Leopard 2s.
Brian also concludes with Blinken’s remarks of US continuing to aid Ukraine “as long as it takes”. In reality, US will just continue as long as it can, which isn’t that long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgeemB8q8Qs

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2023 18:15 utc | 56

What would a western front do to Ukraine ?
Casus Belli , no less, clearly stated unlike German marshmallows
https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2023&mm=08&dd=30&nav_id=116533&version=amp

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 31 2023 18:17 utc | 57

What would a western front do to Ukraine ?
Casus Belli , no less, clearly stated unlike German marshmallows
https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2023&mm=08&dd=30&nav_id=116533&version=amp

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 31 2023 18:17 utc | 58

Ukraine is ready to accept even more casualties. Where is a historical limit of casualties one society can accept.
Posted by: simplex | Aug 31 2023 16:16 utc | 7

An Ambassador or some other Ukrainian official was speaking in the UK and he said something about the west should be extra generous to Ukraine since few countries would be willing to accept so many casualties which he said he didn’t have a number of but “I am sure will be horrific” (when finally tallied and announced).
But I have heard claims that the conscription is skewed towards the Russian speaking areas of Ukraine as well as the ethnic Hungarian sections. So the leadership may not care one bit about some percentage of the casualties.

Posted by: Simon | Aug 31 2023 18:18 utc | 59

Ukraine is ready to accept even more casualties. Where is a historical limit of casualties one society can accept.
Posted by: simplex | Aug 31 2023 16:16 utc | 7

An Ambassador or some other Ukrainian official was speaking in the UK and he said something about the west should be extra generous to Ukraine since few countries would be willing to accept so many casualties which he said he didn’t have a number of but “I am sure will be horrific” (when finally tallied and announced).
But I have heard claims that the conscription is skewed towards the Russian speaking areas of Ukraine as well as the ethnic Hungarian sections. So the leadership may not care one bit about some percentage of the casualties.

Posted by: Simon | Aug 31 2023 18:18 utc | 60

As others have pointed out, it actually is. Almost perfectly aligned with nearly every aspect of historic fascism.

1. Massive backing from western financial capital and capitalists in general

This we’ve seen in every existing fascist state in history, Hitler and Mussolini were carried into power via the support of US, UK and other western financiers and industrialists (though there’s more of the former and less of the latter in modern imperial core states nowadays). Ukraine has not only received massive amounts of direct aid from imperial core countries, it’s the IMF’s 3rd largest borrower and is more or less at this point completely in the US’s pocket and since the 2014 US backed coup has accelerated this process. This doesn’t include local capitalists like Kolomoisky and the like who have been funding nazi paramilitaries. I’m sure more info will become available in the future we’ll have a better understanding of the links between Ukrainian’s capitalists and western finance but already things are suspicious.
https://www.vox.com/2015/3/23/8279397/kolomoisky-oligarch-ukraine-militia
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-pocket-army-controlled-by-sacked-ukrainian-billionaire-igor-kolomoisky-2015-3
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/27/world/europe/blacklisted-oligarch-western-banks-russia.html
https://www.icij.org/investigations/fincen-files/with-deutsche-banks-help-an-oligarchs-buying-spree-trails-ruin-across-the-us-heartland/
Not to mention the CIA (the largest covert backer of fascism globally since its founding) was in Ukraine by 2014 at least (and that’s just what they’ve admitted themselves)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/melikkaylan/2014/04/16/why-cia-director-brennan-visited-kiev-in-ukraine-the-covert-war-has-begun/?sh=1ca9acc910cb

2. Massive privatization campaigns

With the backing of many of the worlds most prominent capitalists, fascists have historically privatized state owned property, we see this happening in Ukraine today, and at a breakneck pace even. There’s no attempt to hide this at all, it’s gleefully reported how any investor can initiate the privatization of any Ukrainian state or municipal asset for bargain barrel prices.
https://chambers.com/articles/ukraine-relaunches-privatization-future-belongs-to-the-brave
You want to buy a piece of Ukraine’s public sector out from under the feet of some poor Ukrainian sent into a meat grinder to advance US’s geopolitical goals and create a favorable investment climate for western capital? Here’s the streamlined privatization site!
https://privatization.gov.ua/en/
Don’t forget, the “Breadbasket of Europe” shouldn’t belong to Ukrainians, it should be opened up for foreign ownership, just think of the “investment potential”
https://www.usaid.gov/ukraine/news/private-sector-frontlines-land-reform-unlock-ukraines-investment-potential

3. Virulent Anti-communism and severe anti-labor policies

One of the most defining features of fascism is its enduring and viscous anti-communism. It is the original anti-communist movement, and in Ukraine we see after 2014 the communist party was banned, its members arrested or killed, even during the 2014 protests pro-Maidan protesters killed some 50 union members. Since the takeover in 2014 labor rights have been slashed to ribbons, unions gutted,
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2015/12/ukraine-communist-party-ban-decisive-blow-for-freedom-of-speech-in-the-country/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/07/29/ukraine-draft-law-threatens-trade-union-rights
https://archive.kyivpost.com/business/ukraines-soviet-era-labor-code-resists-change.html (this is extra revealing since it shows US and western backed Ukrainian leaders were the ones overwhelmingly attempting to change the labor code)
https://www.ips-journal.eu/topics/democracy-and-society/a-full-scale-attack-on-ukraines-labour-rights-6501/
And its not just communist parties, socialist parties and worker rights and unions that are getting destroyed, even soviet monuments and streets named after soviet heroes are being torn down and renamed, sometimes being renamed after nazi collaborators and perpetrators of the holocaust like Bandera and the like. Bandera, a fascist collaborator and partner in the holocaust is a national hero and communists are banned and are either imprisoned or killed, doesn’t that seem just a little too fascist for comfort?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/21/ukraine-bans-soviet-symbols-criminalises-sympathy-for-communism
Anyway I could keep going but it’s clear from policy, rhetoric and underlying financial backing that Ukraine is basically either fascist or on a fast track to full blown fascism, backed of course by the US which has backed fascists on every continent except Antarctica (afaik) over the past 70+ years.

Posted by: High Speed Idiot | Aug 31 2023 18:18 utc | 61

As others have pointed out, it actually is. Almost perfectly aligned with nearly every aspect of historic fascism.

1. Massive backing from western financial capital and capitalists in general

This we’ve seen in every existing fascist state in history, Hitler and Mussolini were carried into power via the support of US, UK and other western financiers and industrialists (though there’s more of the former and less of the latter in modern imperial core states nowadays). Ukraine has not only received massive amounts of direct aid from imperial core countries, it’s the IMF’s 3rd largest borrower and is more or less at this point completely in the US’s pocket and since the 2014 US backed coup has accelerated this process. This doesn’t include local capitalists like Kolomoisky and the like who have been funding nazi paramilitaries. I’m sure more info will become available in the future we’ll have a better understanding of the links between Ukrainian’s capitalists and western finance but already things are suspicious.
https://www.vox.com/2015/3/23/8279397/kolomoisky-oligarch-ukraine-militia
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-pocket-army-controlled-by-sacked-ukrainian-billionaire-igor-kolomoisky-2015-3
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/27/world/europe/blacklisted-oligarch-western-banks-russia.html
https://www.icij.org/investigations/fincen-files/with-deutsche-banks-help-an-oligarchs-buying-spree-trails-ruin-across-the-us-heartland/
Not to mention the CIA (the largest covert backer of fascism globally since its founding) was in Ukraine by 2014 at least (and that’s just what they’ve admitted themselves)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/melikkaylan/2014/04/16/why-cia-director-brennan-visited-kiev-in-ukraine-the-covert-war-has-begun/?sh=1ca9acc910cb

2. Massive privatization campaigns

With the backing of many of the worlds most prominent capitalists, fascists have historically privatized state owned property, we see this happening in Ukraine today, and at a breakneck pace even. There’s no attempt to hide this at all, it’s gleefully reported how any investor can initiate the privatization of any Ukrainian state or municipal asset for bargain barrel prices.
https://chambers.com/articles/ukraine-relaunches-privatization-future-belongs-to-the-brave
You want to buy a piece of Ukraine’s public sector out from under the feet of some poor Ukrainian sent into a meat grinder to advance US’s geopolitical goals and create a favorable investment climate for western capital? Here’s the streamlined privatization site!
https://privatization.gov.ua/en/
Don’t forget, the “Breadbasket of Europe” shouldn’t belong to Ukrainians, it should be opened up for foreign ownership, just think of the “investment potential”
https://www.usaid.gov/ukraine/news/private-sector-frontlines-land-reform-unlock-ukraines-investment-potential

3. Virulent Anti-communism and severe anti-labor policies

One of the most defining features of fascism is its enduring and viscous anti-communism. It is the original anti-communist movement, and in Ukraine we see after 2014 the communist party was banned, its members arrested or killed, even during the 2014 protests pro-Maidan protesters killed some 50 union members. Since the takeover in 2014 labor rights have been slashed to ribbons, unions gutted,
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2015/12/ukraine-communist-party-ban-decisive-blow-for-freedom-of-speech-in-the-country/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/07/29/ukraine-draft-law-threatens-trade-union-rights
https://archive.kyivpost.com/business/ukraines-soviet-era-labor-code-resists-change.html (this is extra revealing since it shows US and western backed Ukrainian leaders were the ones overwhelmingly attempting to change the labor code)
https://www.ips-journal.eu/topics/democracy-and-society/a-full-scale-attack-on-ukraines-labour-rights-6501/
And its not just communist parties, socialist parties and worker rights and unions that are getting destroyed, even soviet monuments and streets named after soviet heroes are being torn down and renamed, sometimes being renamed after nazi collaborators and perpetrators of the holocaust like Bandera and the like. Bandera, a fascist collaborator and partner in the holocaust is a national hero and communists are banned and are either imprisoned or killed, doesn’t that seem just a little too fascist for comfort?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/21/ukraine-bans-soviet-symbols-criminalises-sympathy-for-communism
Anyway I could keep going but it’s clear from policy, rhetoric and underlying financial backing that Ukraine is basically either fascist or on a fast track to full blown fascism, backed of course by the US which has backed fascists on every continent except Antarctica (afaik) over the past 70+ years.

Posted by: High Speed Idiot | Aug 31 2023 18:18 utc | 62

Dear Maria Zakharova:
”At the same time, losses among Ukrainians do not matter to NATO. For the alliance, they are just expendable material in achieving geopolitical goals.”
All people not in government and most in government are just expendable material in achieving geopolitical goals.
Fixed it for you.

Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Aug 31 2023 18:20 utc | 63

Dear Maria Zakharova:
”At the same time, losses among Ukrainians do not matter to NATO. For the alliance, they are just expendable material in achieving geopolitical goals.”
All people not in government and most in government are just expendable material in achieving geopolitical goals.
Fixed it for you.

Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Aug 31 2023 18:20 utc | 64

@Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 17:58 utc | 22
“human waves” is a propaganda meme of this war.
Why do you think it wasn’t, when Iran was the target of the very same propagandists?

Posted by: BG13 | Aug 31 2023 18:20 utc | 65

@Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 17:58 utc | 22
“human waves” is a propaganda meme of this war.
Why do you think it wasn’t, when Iran was the target of the very same propagandists?

Posted by: BG13 | Aug 31 2023 18:20 utc | 66

Ukraine is ready to accept even more casulties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept.
Posted by: simplex | Aug 31 2023 16:16 utc | 7
Looking at the late 19th Century American Civil war or the Paraguayan war where the vanquished were conquered – about 10% to 25% of the military age male population
WW II Germany had 5.3 million combat deaths (Rudiger Overmars) from a population of about 70 million with about 18 million military age men (29%) , The Japanese lost between 10% and 15% of their military age men- IN WWII the soviets lost about 25 to 30% of the military age men and won
If government controlled Ukraine had a population of 35 Million in early 2022 – then it would have had let is say 8 million military age men, so about 7 million fit for military service – therefore if we use 10% it will be 700K fatalities and 25% would give us about 1.8 million – absolutely horrific prospect

Posted by: Aslangeo | Aug 31 2023 18:31 utc | 67

Ukraine is ready to accept even more casulties. Where is a historical limit of casulties one socity can accept.
Posted by: simplex | Aug 31 2023 16:16 utc | 7
Looking at the late 19th Century American Civil war or the Paraguayan war where the vanquished were conquered – about 10% to 25% of the military age male population
WW II Germany had 5.3 million combat deaths (Rudiger Overmars) from a population of about 70 million with about 18 million military age men (29%) , The Japanese lost between 10% and 15% of their military age men- IN WWII the soviets lost about 25 to 30% of the military age men and won
If government controlled Ukraine had a population of 35 Million in early 2022 – then it would have had let is say 8 million military age men, so about 7 million fit for military service – therefore if we use 10% it will be 700K fatalities and 25% would give us about 1.8 million – absolutely horrific prospect

Posted by: Aslangeo | Aug 31 2023 18:31 utc | 68

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KOYvo2IE5w
Iranian religious fervour mobilised during war with Iraq. Nothing that I see Kiev managing to create. And they still had a cease-fire in the end.
I think Sean Bean is the narrator.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 18:32 utc | 69

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KOYvo2IE5w
Iranian religious fervour mobilised during war with Iraq. Nothing that I see Kiev managing to create. And they still had a cease-fire in the end.
I think Sean Bean is the narrator.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 18:32 utc | 70

35 – Iran was certainly a theocracy during the Iran-Iraq war, whatever it is now. And they definitely played the religious self-sacrifice card a great deal. Much more than their Iraqi opponents who tended to play the Arab nationalist angle.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 18:43 utc | 71

35 – Iran was certainly a theocracy during the Iran-Iraq war, whatever it is now. And they definitely played the religious self-sacrifice card a great deal. Much more than their Iraqi opponents who tended to play the Arab nationalist angle.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 31 2023 18:43 utc | 72

Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12

Idon’t play pool, so I don’t know the slang for “свояк”, which was translated as “brother in law”. In Russian pool slang it it the ball which is being hit by the stick.

The cue ball ! But I will now always refer to it as the brother-in-law ! LOL !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Aug 31 2023 18:47 utc | 73

Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12

Idon’t play pool, so I don’t know the slang for “свояк”, which was translated as “brother in law”. In Russian pool slang it it the ball which is being hit by the stick.

The cue ball ! But I will now always refer to it as the brother-in-law ! LOL !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Aug 31 2023 18:47 utc | 74

The Primakov Doctrine restores the self-confidence of Russia. Thus their success in 404.
What is the counterpart Doctrine which restores the self-confidence of The United States?
For sure ISW “think tank” won’t find it, would oppose it tooth and nail. Thus the failure of the NATO Axis of Evil in 404.

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Aug 31 2023 18:48 utc | 75

The Primakov Doctrine restores the self-confidence of Russia. Thus their success in 404.
What is the counterpart Doctrine which restores the self-confidence of The United States?
For sure ISW “think tank” won’t find it, would oppose it tooth and nail. Thus the failure of the NATO Axis of Evil in 404.

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Aug 31 2023 18:48 utc | 76

Ukraine is just becoming hateful toward anything Russian related because of Putin’s lunatic and imperialisr goals.
Posted by: nik | Aug 31 2023 18:01 utc | 23
Hello UkraChatGpt.

Posted by: 600w | Aug 31 2023 18:49 utc | 77

Ukraine is just becoming hateful toward anything Russian related because of Putin’s lunatic and imperialisr goals.
Posted by: nik | Aug 31 2023 18:01 utc | 23
Hello UkraChatGpt.

Posted by: 600w | Aug 31 2023 18:49 utc | 78

adesanto@rogers.com | Aug 31 2023 17:31 utc | 18

Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12
brother-in-law: one of two players who hustler a third player in a 3-player game.

New nollij ! Love the saying !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Aug 31 2023 18:50 utc | 79

adesanto@rogers.com | Aug 31 2023 17:31 utc | 18

Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12
brother-in-law: one of two players who hustler a third player in a 3-player game.

New nollij ! Love the saying !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Aug 31 2023 18:50 utc | 80

Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12
karlof1’s translation “brother-in-law” as a billiards term, MID’s translation of Maris’ interview — thanks karlof1 for posting !!! — gives “carom shot.” A carom is any shot where the object ball or cue ball ricochets into another ball to move or pocket that ball.

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Aug 31 2023 18:54 utc | 81

Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 31 2023 16:52 utc | 12
karlof1’s translation “brother-in-law” as a billiards term, MID’s translation of Maris’ interview — thanks karlof1 for posting !!! — gives “carom shot.” A carom is any shot where the object ball or cue ball ricochets into another ball to move or pocket that ball.

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Aug 31 2023 18:54 utc | 82

Maria’s interview at MID:
https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1902176/?lang=en

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Aug 31 2023 18:57 utc | 83

Maria’s interview at MID:
https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1902176/?lang=en

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Aug 31 2023 18:57 utc | 84

Arch Bungle @ 15

The contrast between Zakharova and Vicky Nuland is like gold against dross.

Actually Zakharova should be compared to USA State Department spokesperson, though that role in the USA is trivial and the actual equivalent is the White House spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre, who is a staggering imbecile of the the Kamala Harris, AOC, Von der Leyen word salad brain dysfunction model. A comparison to Zakharova can’t even be attempted without breaking the laws of nature.
Most sadly current western spokespeople are not chosen casually but exactly for their ability to communicate with their audience, to reach them, to speak to their generation. It’s terrifying!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 19:14 utc | 85

Arch Bungle @ 15

The contrast between Zakharova and Vicky Nuland is like gold against dross.

Actually Zakharova should be compared to USA State Department spokesperson, though that role in the USA is trivial and the actual equivalent is the White House spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre, who is a staggering imbecile of the the Kamala Harris, AOC, Von der Leyen word salad brain dysfunction model. A comparison to Zakharova can’t even be attempted without breaking the laws of nature.
Most sadly current western spokespeople are not chosen casually but exactly for their ability to communicate with their audience, to reach them, to speak to their generation. It’s terrifying!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 19:14 utc | 86

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 19:14 utc | 45
i think they are chosen more for checking off diversity fits than ability to communicate with their audience. kinda like casting in Disney movies.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 31 2023 19:22 utc | 87

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2023 19:14 utc | 45
i think they are chosen more for checking off diversity fits than ability to communicate with their audience. kinda like casting in Disney movies.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 31 2023 19:22 utc | 88

https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/polak-opowiada-o-tragicznej-sytuacji-w-ukrainie-sprzet-pali-sie-jak-zapalki-6934373478947744a
look – read…
-and it is in the Polish mainstream!

Posted by: nc | Aug 31 2023 19:32 utc | 89

https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/polak-opowiada-o-tragicznej-sytuacji-w-ukrainie-sprzet-pali-sie-jak-zapalki-6934373478947744a
look – read…
-and it is in the Polish mainstream!

Posted by: nc | Aug 31 2023 19:32 utc | 90

Video now on Yahoo says from Pryghozin ; To those who enjoy discussing his liquidation. . It may have been made before his last flight .

Posted by: leocz | Aug 31 2023 19:34 utc | 91

Video now on Yahoo says from Pryghozin ; To those who enjoy discussing his liquidation. . It may have been made before his last flight .

Posted by: leocz | Aug 31 2023 19:34 utc | 92

The hate anything and all Russian is mind bogling.
“When you Hate you’ve already lost”

Posted by: EXPAT | Aug 31 2023 19:56 utc | 93

The hate anything and all Russian is mind bogling.
“When you Hate you’ve already lost”

Posted by: EXPAT | Aug 31 2023 19:56 utc | 94

In I world war Serbia lost about 1/3 of male population without rebellion or massive desertions. So, Ukrainians could also easily accept to lose 1/3 – 1/2 of its male population. Dima is wrong that such high losses could stop Ukrainians. If you ever talked with them, they would do everything to “be loved by the west”.
This is a logic of Zelensky.

Posted by: Simplex | Aug 31 2023 20:05 utc | 95

In I world war Serbia lost about 1/3 of male population without rebellion or massive desertions. So, Ukrainians could also easily accept to lose 1/3 – 1/2 of its male population. Dima is wrong that such high losses could stop Ukrainians. If you ever talked with them, they would do everything to “be loved by the west”.
This is a logic of Zelensky.

Posted by: Simplex | Aug 31 2023 20:05 utc | 96

Hello UkraChatGpt.
Posted by: 600w | Aug 31 2023 18:49 utc | 41
Don’t give them ideas. Just imagine a ChatGpt, trained on anti-Russian speech, posting here. It would definitely skew discourse.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 31 2023 20:06 utc | 97

Hello UkraChatGpt.
Posted by: 600w | Aug 31 2023 18:49 utc | 41
Don’t give them ideas. Just imagine a ChatGpt, trained on anti-Russian speech, posting here. It would definitely skew discourse.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 31 2023 20:06 utc | 98

https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/polak-opowiada-o-tragicznej-sytuacji-w-ukrainie-sprzet-pali-sie-jak-zapalki-6934373478947744a
look – read…
-and it is in the Polish mainstream!
Posted by: nc | Aug 31 2023 19:32 utc | 48
“Wysocki also talks about a meeting he had a few days ago, which he describes as traumatic. He talked to an over 60-year-old man who was a sergeant in the Marine Corps and defended Azovstal. He was in Russian captivity for eight months, lost 30 kg and now tries to heal as much as possible. – I asked him what it was like there. He told me: ‘Sławek, just like in Auschwitz.’ I didn’t ask for anything more , he says.”
another holocaust survivor..

Posted by: Ново З | Aug 31 2023 20:09 utc | 99

https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/polak-opowiada-o-tragicznej-sytuacji-w-ukrainie-sprzet-pali-sie-jak-zapalki-6934373478947744a
look – read…
-and it is in the Polish mainstream!
Posted by: nc | Aug 31 2023 19:32 utc | 48
“Wysocki also talks about a meeting he had a few days ago, which he describes as traumatic. He talked to an over 60-year-old man who was a sergeant in the Marine Corps and defended Azovstal. He was in Russian captivity for eight months, lost 30 kg and now tries to heal as much as possible. – I asked him what it was like there. He told me: ‘Sławek, just like in Auschwitz.’ I didn’t ask for anything more , he says.”
another holocaust survivor..

Posted by: Ново З | Aug 31 2023 20:09 utc | 100