Raising a 4th army. Lets see: why is it that we Americans seem to be ready to kill off thousands if not millions of Ukrainians when the outcome would not seem to justify the means? My personal vision of this is that the love us humans have for humans is personal, not impersonal. Real human paternalism, the kind that is actually supported on an emotional level, arises from common association. Large scale societies push love of humanity as a social expedient. That is why in theatrical productions it is morally acceptable to kill people in mass if they are made anonymous. In the old cowboy movies where the Indians were all anonymous ‘red’ men, any number of them could be killed. The more modern version of this is the gunning down of the storm troopers in the earlier Star Wars productions. That trope perhaps being abandoned in the later productions that I haven’t seen. The method of abandonment would be to have one or more of the storm troopers be identifiable individuals.

Posted by: Jmaas | Aug 27 2023 15:31 utc | 3

Posted by: Jmaas | Aug 27 2023 15:31 utc | 3
It will take a lot of time to raise a 4th army. Most likely this 4th army won’t be any more powerful than the third army. The Russians, meanwhile, will build on top of their already experienced army and could be expected to be better prepared to deal with Nato’s 4th army..? The Russians are surely not sitting idly, either.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 27 2023 15:56 utc | 5

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 27 2023 16:00 utc | 6
Seems a waste of ordinance.

Posted by: jpc | Aug 27 2023 16:09 utc | 7

“why is it that we Americans seem to be ready to kill off thousands if not millions of Ukrainians”
Posted by: Jmaas | Aug 27 2023 15:31 utc | 3
The Ukrainians, from top to bottom, from Zelensky to the lowest soldier, need to turn their guns around and go after NATO and the US.
I can dream. :^>

Posted by: oracle | Aug 27 2023 16:19 utc | 9

For all interested, I have published The Liturgy of Lies at Arch Bungle’s vk.com here:
https://vk.com/@818593619-the-liturgy-of-lies
I will maintain it with a notification to MoA occasionally.
(Too nervous to publish on a Western media outlet I have elected to use a Russian one after noting that North Korea offers no similar services …)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 27 2023 16:22 utc | 11

Re: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 27 2023 16:22 utc | 11
A wise idea. And thanks, been waiting for this.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 27 2023 16:31 utc | 13

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Aug 27 2023 16:35 utc | 14

Am I missing #179 for some reason?

Ugh. cutnpaste left that one out – updated now, thanks.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 27 2023 16:44 utc | 15

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 27 2023 16:47 utc | 16

On the contrary, recovering and repairing damaged vehicles is a way for Ukraine to conduct a more cost-effective war.

I myself once maintained a fleet of about 12 transport vehicles, mostly using spares from scrapyards. One the greatest miseries was watching the gradual (and sometimes rapid) degradation in performance and reliability of rushed repairs in order to get them back on the road in a hurry.
I wonder what the costs to the AFU are in terms of reliability lost and strain on the maintenance workforce …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 27 2023 17:02 utc | 17

Why does the US want to kill or maim incredible numbers of Ukrainians? Because they want to give Russia a choice: either let us control Ukraine or deal with the economic costs of the destroyed economy and social fabric of Ukraine. Those costs are extreme and will be a large burden, restricting Russia’s ability in the next decades.
Posted by: Matthew | Aug 27 2023 16:30 utc | 12
IMHO, the part of Ukraine of interest to Russia is that part that voted for Yanukovich in 2010. I think Russia can handle rebuilding that part very well; just look at Mariupol. There also are Romanian and Hungarian speaking regions of Ukraine which may wish to re-unite with their respective countries; their business.
The rest of Ukraine – rump Ukraine – will be a large burden to the European Union for years to come; maybe a fatal one.
Rump Ukraine is a region that will require massive amounts of subsidies for reconstruction; it has an ideology that is slightly to the right of what is acceptable in good company; Ukraine is seen as victim; and has a large amount of unregistered arms floating around.
Also, the EU has the habit of buying peace with subsidies, but is running out of money.
This could go a number of ways.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 27 2023 17:07 utc | 19

Military summary suggested yesterday that the UAF lacks reserves to attack in more than one place after last 3 months of attrition. He compared the Ukrainian summer offensive to the Russian capture of Soledar and Bakhmut using Wagner PMC, saying that at the last phase Wagner had insufficient forces to do more than finish off Bakhmut while Russian regular forces defended the flanks.
Russia has been launching missile strikes almost nightly for several weeks now and Ukraine lacks reserves and armor to continue attacking, so I see a window of opportunity for Russia to try something before Ukraine has a chance to recover and rearm. It would be nice to know how successful the missile strikes have been and what has been targeted, but of course this information is not available to us.
I think the US is counting on Russia not making any big moves and hunkering down for at least several months. We will see.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 27 2023 17:18 utc | 21

Posted by: jpc | Aug 27 2023 16:09 utc | 7
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It would be a waste if the Russians were running low on ammunition.
Most accounts indicate that is not the case.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 27 2023 17:26 utc | 23

Yeah, the EU will have a yooge problem with rebuilding Ukraine after the war, especially given the fanatical nationalism that their fascist government has been fostering. The EU and the United States is going to want to own Ukraine in order to justify the costs of subsidizing its survival and paying to rebuild it, and the ultra nationalists in Ukraine might take up arms against any attempts to surrender home rule, and home ownership of resources.
Zelenskyy was elected as a moderate, but had to govern while at the gunpoint of the ultra-nationalists who’d kill him if he got out of line. This will still be the situation after Russia eventually agrees that its objectives have been completed, and the rebuilding of what’s left of Ukraine can commence.
The Western media will give up on popular reporting about Ukraine, and it will return to the position it had before the war, where the only reporting done was by the more scholarly journalists, to be published in high brow magazines. Like we now get about Iraq, and Libya, two other nations we blew apart in order to “save” them.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Aug 27 2023 17:30 utc | 25

Posted by: Not Ewe | Aug 27 2023 17:14 utc | 20
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Anyone truly dangerous and useful was brought to the West. They didn’t face Nuremberg “justice”. Nuremberg was the distraction, while Nazis went to work for the US government.
Always assume that what you’ve been told was really serving someone’s agenda, somewhere.
Nuland will face justice on the same day that Obama is tried as a war criminal.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 27 2023 17:48 utc | 27

@Arch Bungle | Aug 27 2023 16:22 utc | 11
Thanks for that, did not yet read it all, but had a good laugh. Highly recommended.

Posted by: aquadraht | Aug 27 2023 17:52 utc | 29

Eurodollars are Fiat Currency like US dollars, no?
Point being, there will be unlimited funds for the West to rebuild Rump Ukraine. If that option exists.
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Aug 27 2023 17:25 utc | 22
Ukrainian hryvnia is fiat currency, like euro, no?
Point being, there will be unlimited hryvnia to rebuild Ukraine.
There, fixed it for you.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 27 2023 18:22 utc | 31

First Ursula von der Leyen said that Russia was taking chips out of dishwashers and fridges to fix its military hardware.
Now German FM Baerbock is saying the same thing about using chips from German washing machines for drones and missiles.
If two senior German politicians say that, it must be true – they can’t be that stupid, can they???

Posted by: Brendan | Aug 27 2023 18:43 utc | 33

Posted by: Jmaas | Aug 27 2023 18:42 utc | 32
All currencies are fiat currencies.
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Agreed. But as long as people are willing to trade those resources for your fiat currency, the party can continue. Eventually a day of reckoning will come and those who rule know it. I shudder to think what they are preparing for that day when it happens. The US is so in debt now it can never ever begin to pay off it’s debts, but through inflation they can damn sure postpone that day for years.

Posted by: JustAMaverick | Aug 27 2023 18:52 utc | 35

If two senior German politicians say that, it must be true – they can’t be that stupid, can they???
Posted by: Brendan | Aug 27 2023 18:43 utc | 33
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Freudian slip. Two grannies with an reactionary understanding of gender roles believe their kitchen paraphernalia are crucial in war. Scholzomat is probably convinced it is his brand new drill.

Posted by: Nobody | Aug 27 2023 19:20 utc | 37

What if Ukraine really attacks without tanks in the form of million man human wave?
By not counting their losses, as the best expert for this war says (Dima), I think they can easily break Russian lines with the sole human power.

Posted by: simplex | Aug 27 2023 19:25 utc | 39

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 27 2023 19:04 utc | 36
If they’re not careful they’ll find themselves in the same situation Popov found himself in ‘43.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 27 2023 19:33 utc | 41

@ Babel-17, are there that many 17-18 year olds in Ukraine? Wouldn’t their parents have ensured that those boys had left Ukraine a year back before they were of draft age and subject to emigration restrictions? Or is/was the border closed to the boys of 16/17 last year till now?

Posted by: Neal | Aug 27 2023 19:37 utc | 43

… I wonder what the costs to the AFU are in terms of reliability lost and strain on the maintenance workforce …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 27 2023 17:02 utc | 17
It’s got to be hard work and a nightmare of mixed equipment. Then there’s the question of how much behind-the-lines work real Ukrainians are still doing. It’s official news that tanks are being shipped to Poland for repair and there was a recent TG post of polish contractors somewhere close’ish to the front at an inspection / repair point. Quite possibly it’s mostly foreign vultures hoovering up the funding and anyone who gets in the way can always be conscripted to the front.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 27 2023 19:42 utc | 45

Posted by: Neal | Aug 27 2023 19:37 utc | 43
Boy oh boy, I sure hope they got out. But I suspect that it was far easier for Western Ukrainians who were nearer the border, and had plenty of cash to make a move, to get out than it was for Ukrainians in the east, who’d have needed more money to travel, and faced more checkpoints. Afaik, for a while it’s been illegal for those of draft age to leave the country, hence the massive corruption of those enforcing that law.
I strongly suspect that university students will be the next targets of recruiters. Almost by definition they will be more fit than average, and more suitable for the jobs that require technical training.
In my mind the big question is whether or not Poland will simply hand over Ukrainian men back over the border to AFU recruiters, regardless of what EU laws about refugees might dictate. The publicity over such a move would open a big can of worms, and force the media to reference the fact that lots of Ukrainians don’t want to fight the Russian army. The implications to that are obvious imo, but ones that the West avoids like Vampires avoid holy water. It burns.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Aug 27 2023 19:49 utc | 47

The US is so in debt now it can never ever begin to pay off it’s debts, but through inflation they can damn sure postpone that day for years.
Posted by: JustAMaverick | Aug 27 2023 18:52 utc | 35
Given the reckless way we are running our country right now, we could well see a catastrophic decline. A large amount of our debt is funded short term and has to be recycled. That is, somebody has to reborrow the money to us by buying some form of treasury issued debt. If the debt becomes of suspect safety, we will get acceptance by paying a higher interest rate, either directly or indirectly through a bigger discount when the debt sold. That in turn will increase government spending to cover the higher interest rate. That then increases unfunded borrowing by the government, and thus makes our debt look less safe, producing a higher interest followed by greater risk, and so on and so on down the decline in value.
I followed the collapse of the Argentine Peso. Out of money and unable to borrow, they forced some of their bond holders to retain the debt when it had expired by not paying up. It took maybe six months or so for the value of their peso to fall to zero. The government finally got real and dealt with the problem when the rioting got so bad that they ended up shooting some of the rioters.
As for us, the thing to watch is the willingness of foreign buyers to pick up our treasury debt. If you think we may be near the end of our higher borrowing cycle, then a higher interest rate will be needed to attract foreign borrowers. As for right now, they claim the increased rate is to deal with internal inflation. Well, probably. It would be a real gift to the Russians if our dollar goes to hell before the Ukraine war settles out.

Posted by: Jmaas | Aug 27 2023 19:55 utc | 49

james | Aug 27 2023 18:47 utc | 34
Nobody | Aug 27 2023 19:20 utc | 37
Von der Leyen and Baerbock know that the western media will not question anything they say, so they can say whatever they want. All the same, they seem a bit dim if they don’t seem to be aware how ridiculous they sound.

Posted by: Brendan | Aug 27 2023 19:57 utc | 51

>>they can’t be that stupid, can they???
Posted by: Nobody | Aug 27 2023 19:20 utc | 37
Now that they know the Russians have no special problem coming up with electronics, even stupider. Amazing in its own way.

Posted by: Jmaas | Aug 27 2023 20:03 utc | 53

Allowing an eventual victory, which looks increasingly likely, I think the Russians should annex however much of the country they can easily adsorb into their empire. At the least that would be Kharkov along with Odessa along with the territory in-between. The rebuilding expense would not be an expense but an investment because it would be their territory. Best to leave however much of Ukraine is left landlocked because a favorable outcome for Russia is less likely no matter how they handle the situation.
Not that I am predicting what Putin is going to do. The history of predicting his next move has so far proved to be a loser for those who attempt it.

Posted by: Jmaas | Aug 27 2023 20:24 utc | 55

If two senior German politicians say that, it must be true – they can’t be that stupid, can they???
Posted by: Brendan | Aug 27 2023 18:43 utc | 33

Yes, they are that stupid. The washing machines contains jellybean microprocessors to run the cycle and drive the display, like many, many other household devices these days. They would be easily repurposed for any general purpose computing task, including guided rockets/drones.
But why bother salvaging from a washing machine when you can buy wholesale quantities of said chips from a warehouse in China for a few dollars each (where they are most likely made anyway)?
None of our so-called leaders have any technical knowledge and can be fed this kind of bs by their “intelligence” agencies and have no intellectual tools or technical experience to detect it. So they simply parrot the story, hoping it will make them look smart but with the opposite effect.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 27 2023 20:27 utc | 57

Sorry for the rant. Having a bad day.
Posted by: OGDuck | Aug 27 2023 19:56 utc | 50
It’s not a rant. The killing is senseless and sickening, while the Western leaders continue to force feed their audience hopium. War criminals, all of them.

Posted by: Mike R | Aug 27 2023 20:51 utc | 59

It looks like the big russian push will come in the spring. Hundreds of thousand of different type drones and replenished artillery, hundreds of thousands of troops and many tanks. Ukraine’s new 4th army will be 2nd rate at best. Ukraine will be a rump state before the US elections and Biden blames Z and lack of US spending, as though $200B wasnt wasted by money laundering. False flags galore by the US. Lots of drama to come and all of it deadly. Just to save Biden and family criminal butt.

Posted by: Cyclingnut | Aug 27 2023 21:11 utc | 61

When talking about purely Russian problems. Not saying any of these are fatal problems, just that they are problems that should be acknowledged.
It seems that the main one is that AFU continues bombarding cross-border settlements, Donbass, and to some extent drone attacks. On the battle field AFU has ability to fly drones in many areas and RU can’t nearly defend against all of them. Ukraine small drones are quite effective.
Also, Russia has no intention or incentive to terror attack against Ukrainian villages or cities, whereas Ukraine STRIVES to attack Russian cities or villages. Russia must therefore balance their air defense to defend non-military targets (not relevant for battlefield performance), whereas Ukraine does not have to concentrate on defending their cities or towns, except their military assets. Regardless how many A/D systems Russia has, they will never have enough, under this circumstance.
Along the long beach of Dnepr, the risk of landings stretch defense and deployable artillery, and drone operations.
Ukraine has made some raids on Crimea shore, however without achieving other than propaganda purpose. This is helped by NATO recon aircraft in the Black Sea. Which also guide Himars attacks. Also satellites, to which there is no solution.
Relentless meat push by AFU will take a toll, however favorable ratio. There will be times when they manage to land near the trench they are trying to take and close combat will somewhat even out AFU’s disadvantage.
M-777 still might maintain a slight range advantage versus the old Soviet howitzers, which are still used in plenty quantities.
Ukraine has its entire population at its disposal. Ukraine does not need to worry about its future or economy (well, it should worry about it, but Poland will take functionalities over anyway). Russia simply cannot commit to mobilize significant number of population.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 27 2023 21:25 utc | 63

Regarding post #38.
This is a link to a population pyramid of Ukraine:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ukraine_2023_population_pyramid.svg
Given the losses in battle plus wounded and crippled combined with people that are fleeing the country, I don’t have extreme confidence in the accuracy. However; the odd shape of this population pyramid with the small number of 20 to 25 year old males as well as females suggests that the war has exasperated the decline in birth rates.
The bottom line is that after two years of war, the cohort of 18 year old males that can be drafted each year is limited to about a hundred thousand people. This is barely two-thirds the number of soldiers that have been deployed for the most recent, great offensive. Many of them will not be physically or mentally fit. A very large percentage are probably escaping the country as I type this.
Ukraine might be able to field a much larger army if they start drafting women. However; the decreased physical strength and stamina will result in them being significantly less combat effective than an equivalent number of males. Also, females more than males are the limiting factor on procreation. One man can theoretically keep a large number of women pregnant. Offering their reproductive age women as human sacrifices on the alter of nationalist and NATO delusions will only hasten Ukraine’s decline to demographic oblivion.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Aug 27 2023 21:29 utc | 65

Abandoned vehicles could be boobytrapped, best to destroy.
The constant push for more bodies to raise another army is symptomatic of the possible collapse of resistance by Ukraine.
Loads of talks about forcibly extraditing Ukrainian “refugees” that are of military age. How does this impact EU rules?
So the question is will this remnant army break or revolt?

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 27 2023 21:38 utc | 67

Legitimacy, sorry cat on lap whilst typing, never a good idea!

Posted by: Milites | Aug 27 2023 21:48 utc | 69

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 27 2023 21:25 utc | 63
You have correctly identified the challenges of RF in the SMO. These are how things turned out after the initial unsuccessful plan. They are fundamental in nature and can now only be overcome by changes external to Russia. This is because, due to a myriad reasons, Russia is playing with one hand tied behind its back.
China and India can end this war in the blink of an eye by recognizing the new regions as part of RF. But this will create a bad precedent for others to simply invade territory that is disputed. And the world will descend in chaos. There are no viable mechanisms to settle these type of conflicts anymore since the West lost military premacy. We are still in some sort of order, on inertia, and noone wants to be the first to test it after the SMO.
As things stand now, this can drag on for years until some sort of new balance is established, an equilibrium where peace is the most beneficial option.
In the meantime however, we are descending deeper in the abyss – millions of angry people that have lost so much in Ukraine – ready for revenge for decades to come. Bad blood that no post-conflict resolution can help overcome. Just because Boris Johnson intervened to brake the peace agreement.
It is difficult to predict how it will be in lets say a year from now. It really depends whether Russia can inflict more damage – within the current restraints of the SMO – than can be replenished on time. But even then, the West has ways to escalate again and again until there are no options left. On either side.

Posted by: alek_a | Aug 27 2023 22:12 utc | 71

Brendan | Aug 27 2023 19:57 utc | 51
*** Von der Leyen and Baerbock know that the western media will not question anything they say, so they can say whatever they want. All the same, they seem a bit dim if they don’t seem to be aware how ridiculous they sound.***
Hardline liberals seldom have such awareness or perception.
their own self-righteousness precludes it

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 27 2023 22:23 utc | 73

JohninMK | Aug 27 2023 20:31 utc | 58
*** If you watch Baerbock’s face there are what could be guilty half smiles flitting across it. Almost as if she expected someone stage left to shout “don’t be stupid!”.***
More likely irrepressible smirks of smugness at (1) being so sublimely right … and (2) in front of cameras that will distribute the ‘fact’.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 27 2023 22:31 utc | 75

We have a confession!!
https://revolver.news/2023/08/top-us-general-caught-on-hot-mic-claiming-usa-likely-bombed-nord-stream-pipeline/

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Aug 27 2023 22:33 utc | 77

Found this in comments @ Larry’s SONAR blog.
As cartoonists have known for centuries, much can be said in “silly”pics.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/0B1Gc34RtVPY/

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 27 2023 22:36 utc | 79

Alexander Mercouris provided some more detail of the meeting between Zaluzhny and general Cavioli and Radakin of UK.
Apparently these Nato people are tunnel visioning that Ukraine must deploy all forces to Robotyne to reach the sea of Azov, and they ignore everything else, including Kupyansk. They think Kupyansk is just a diversion which Russia uses to try to draw AFU away from their offensive in Zaporozhye. Syrsky argues that they need to deploy more to defend Kupyansk and not allow it to fall.
However, Mercouris argues with help of insider info that the Kupyansk offensive is far from diversionary, it’s actually a precursor to a larger offensive somewhere in the north.
Additionally Nato has categorically refused to allow use of the elite 82nd brigade with Stryker vehicles in Kupyansk, or anywhere else than Orekhov. Recently it was revealed that 82nd brigade already had large losses in Orekhov direction, so guess that is not even an issue anymore.
Anyway, it seems a zugzwang situation. Most MSM “experts” have called Kupyansk another insignificant nuisance as it removes attention from Melitopol and sea of Azov.
This is how tunnel visioning can be fatal.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 27 2023 22:41 utc | 81

Neofeudalfuture | Aug 27 2023 22:22 utc | 72
Interesting. Not a pixel about this on abc.net.au
In fact nothing Ukraine on the just in / news section.
Something something about Putin and the Prigozhin demise in analysis, but no new Ukraine news …

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 27 2023 22:46 utc | 83

I am sick of reading about the war. Physically sick. Not because I am bored or inattentive. But because the killing has now become so blase, so common. We are inured. And post daily clobber lists. Like noting the latest number of sandbags washed away in a storm, needing to be replaced.
[I am no pacifist. Not in the least. But] this war was over the day it started, if not years before. Russia prepared for years for this time and has had a foot on the military economic pedal ever since the [most recent] shooting started in 2022. And Russia appears to be well on the way to annihilating the Ukrainian male population aged 16-60.
Despair fills me!
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I assume that you have never been in the military, just as well. Consider this statement by Chris Heges about the average American view of war: “The enduring attraction of war is this: even with its destruction and carnage it can give us what we long for in life. It can give us purpose, meaning, a reason for living. Only when we are in the midst of conflict does the shallowness and vapidness of much of our lives become apparent … War is an enticing elixir. It gives us resolve, a cause. It allows us to be noble.”
The point being expressed is in the middle of the statement: “Only when we are in the midst of conflict does the shallowness and vapidness of much of our lives become apparent …”
Yet often, war is necessary (my addition to Chris’s statement (and book).

Posted by: Ed | Aug 27 2023 22:58 utc | 85

e what a timeline depicting their expectations this year. The object is to fight in a contested sector and wear down the enemy and only to pursue the enemy to keep him fighting and this has worked marvelously well so far. If giving some ground makes even greater loss rate, then some ground will be given. So far there has not been a great enough attrition of the highly trained enemy, as they attack using rather untrained units and heavily embed the untrained in with the super proficient, using them as cannon fodder and booby trap/mine trippers. This is highlighted by the very specialized bombing raids and missile strikes that Russia has conducted and their pursuit of specific units.. many that are ‘bona fide’ war criminals due to their barrier troop employment. At the end of the year, probably early March, Russian MoD’s declared objectives are to be in control of the territories of Donetsk and Luhansk, still with a front where they have been.. ready to make a greatest impact during the Summer USA political season.
As for the Isrlkrainians, it is best to get rid of the possible opposition, those that would cause political strife and act as partisans and saboteurs, as after the age of 16 they have been far to brainwashed, will not be able to conform to Russian educational standards, to be retrievable with further educational efforts in the public sector and imprisonment in concentration camps is economically and socially nonviable.
The Ukraine borders are closed, immigration is virtually at a stand-still. Perhaps those with children and sponsors can get out but anyone that has children over 12 and no children are trapped. This is a very similar situation that existed in Germany during WW2. After the Russian take-over there will be a steady exodus. Few will stay. There will be no Rump State, but many detention centers run by the former POW Ukraine soldiers that will encourage the dissidents to leave on their own volition… There will be no mistakes that where made that lead to OUAN rising and causing chaos. Poland will be encouraged to leave NATO as their losses are high and chaos will be on their ground. The Elites West will be into the results of their ‘second’ ongoing undeclared war, the war on their people.. and the total disaster of a rapid population collapse.

Posted by: T S | Aug 27 2023 23:06 utc | 87

Martina @ 84

An export ban on German kitchen appliances would be better. We waited 6 months for the new stove.

But is it hypersonic?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 27 2023 23:32 utc | 89

China and India can end this war in the blink of an eye by recognizing the new regions as part of RF. But this will create a bad precedent for others to simply invade territory that is disputed.
Posted by: alek_a | Aug 27 2023 22:12 utc | 71
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“But this will create a bad precedent for others to simply invade territory that is disputed.”
Do you mean like when the US and Germany (and other NATO Bloc countries) Invaded Yugoslavia and broke it into itty bitsy pieces, then removed Kosovo from Serbia and built a large US military and NATO base in Kosovo. China and India know this, the whole world knows this, but the still the world tremble before the US hegemon. It will take time; but they will come around.
Russia is doing everything they can to avoid an international conflict (WW3) with the EU and the US. In time, history will record that Russia tried to follow the rules that the United Nations put in writing and the member nations voted on. China and India, and the world knows this, but have yet to muster the courage to take a firm stand against the Hegemon and its Minoans in the West (and the EU).
Most smaller nations of the world are tethered to the US dollar and the US military in so many ways, but BRICK’s is evidence that many nations are coming around, and others are fence sitting waiting to see what happens next. But right now, they do not feel strong enough to resist, or the heads of state and /or the heads of the military are bought and paid for. This is a dangerous time for life on planet earth because the US is wounded, and it knows that its days as the exceptional nation are coming to an end: A wounded Eagle is not only dangerous to its prey, but to anyone, or anything, that threatens it.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 27 2023 23:36 utc | 91

When opportunity knocks at your door………let it in……..the AFU is now at the end of their rope. All their NATO trained brigades have been committed to the latest iteration of the failed Summer offensive which started on June 4th.
All of the NATO trained brigades have been heavily depleted both in terms of available manpower and armored vehicles, and they have now stumbled into yet another RF cauldron in Robotyne. The AFU has lost over 40 aircraft(from a very limited inventory), thousands of MBT’s, IVF’s, APC’s, and MRAP’s, and dozens of helos. It has virtually no air cover, and only limited ability to deliver air launched ordinance.
This huge dysfunction creates a real opportunity for a big arrow offensive by the Russians somewhere along the six hundred mile front. This is a necessity now for the RF forces, for they must exploit the manpower and material shortcomings of the AFU and quickly too, before the fall rains turn the roads and fields into mush.
Dont give NATO any time to send material and mercenary and special ops reinforcements to the AFU, strike before the next great resupply wave attempt, and before more AFU territorial reserves can be mobilized.
An RF Winter offensive will allow the now disorganized and dis-spirited AFU at least a window to refresh….dont give them one.
The reality is that if the RF does not pull off a successful big arrow offensive soon and reach the Polish border they will be left to deal with a Ukrainian rump state with a huge NATO base somewhere in the west, just like the Serbs are now dealing with at the NATO Camp Bonesteel in Kosovo (a now festering sore in side of the Serbian state).
Dont let that happen….the SMO has worked very well, now take the offensive and drive hard….time is of the essence……..get to the Polish border or face a 20 year war, your choice……good luck!!

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 27 2023 23:55 utc | 93

RT, just now.
Carlsen Tucker has been “persistently lobbying the Kremlin” for an interview with Putin.
Wow. Given Tucker’s endless slagging off of Ukraine and Zelensky and Club Biden and Congress, and respect for analysts like McGregor, such an interview might be enough to seriously sway US and global understanding closer to the truths about the SMO.
I’m excited … if VVP agrees.

Posted by: SCCC | Aug 28 2023 0:12 utc | 95

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 27 2023 23:53 utc | 92
Funny. I just read the same thing (vomit vomit) and was going to post it, but decided not to pollute MoA with such nonsense!
However, I think there’s credence in what he says about the US going slow in arms supplies, in playing it safe … just as RF does. The article acknowledges, for the first time, that deep down the US **is** afraid of what Russia might do if the West oversteps too far. Imo, it is a change from the braggadocio of the previous 18 months.

Posted by: SCCC | Aug 28 2023 0:21 utc | 97

By my personal idea of good and evil, the only truly evil people in this struggle are the American neocons. A curse on their house and may they all suffer a painful death.

Posted by: Jmaas | Aug 28 2023 0:51 utc | 99