Does anyone care to comment on when reality ie Vlod isn’t getting the eastern Ukraine back going to kick in?

Posted by: jpc | Aug 21 2023 14:42 utc | 3

I see that b linked to a Gordon Hahn article on his Twitter X account. I’m not sure about some of his conclusions.
“The above-mentioned nationalist and fascist elements are often as anti-Western as they anti-Russian.” Since when has this been the case. The Maidan regime (his term not mine) was as pro-Western (American, EU) as it could be. So it’s anti specific European countries like Germany, Hungary, Poland maybe??
“The most insulting thing for Zelensky is that we were thrown under the bus by the British…” (whenever an op-ed like this mentions the most insulting thing, I think that’s worth noting)
Hahn sees two potential outcomes: “One is that the ultranationalist and neofascist wing will strengthen, with moderates and moderate nationalists becoming ultra-nationalists and ultra-nationalists becoming neo-fascists. These will lead to the fascization of the regime which Moscow has claimed is already fascist.” … I don’t follow. Failure on the battlefield, not politically or economically leads to interest in moderation, I thought? Plus they’ll all be dead, that’s what Moscow’s promised.
“The other path is full-bore inter-factional conflict and even internecine warfare, as the regime already is beginning to eat itself in ever more accusatory mutual recriminations. …Zelenskiy … will be blamed by some for being duped by the West for not taking a chance on the Istanbul peace or at least ceasefire when there was a chance in April 2022 only two months into the war.” (Right but that was the fault of the British?)
It’s hard for me to see this leading towards a Russian quagmire as the title says.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 21 2023 14:47 utc | 5

Isn’t hilarious that the EU with its “European Values” is now threatening to sanction ….. Poland?
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/59683
In Europe, they threaten Warsaw with sanctions if Poland does not lift the ban on the import of Ukrainian grain, which is valid until September 15. According to RMF FM, 20 EU countries are in favor of such measures.
Btw. it is EU, not ‘Europe’ that threatens. Beware of the Newspeak.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 21 2023 15:00 utc | 7

Someone’s lying, but who?
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 21 2023 15:05 utc | 8
Some quartermaster sergeants may have acted on their own. Fuck Kristersson. We are the Deep State.

Posted by: Catilina | Aug 21 2023 15:11 utc | 9

Eighthman | Aug 21 2023 14:20 utc | 1, who mentioned no tanks on clobber list today.
39 have been destroyed since Saturday, according to https://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country.htm. There wasn’t a report yesterday, so perhaps your right about none neutralised today.

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Aug 21 2023 15:25 utc | 11

It’s hard to imagine a more auspicious time than the present for Russia to once and for all settle accounts with NATO. With that in mind, one wonders how Putin foresees shaping events so as to lead to that goal.
It is blatantly obvious there can be no peace between Russia and NATO.

Posted by: Oswald | Aug 21 2023 15:31 utc | 13

Norwegian @ 8

Someone’s lying, but who?

Good Lord, no one is lying. They are playing good cop, bad cop with the public. Out of the constant confusion comes indifference and resignation. If they are talking about the Gripens then Ukraine will get Gripens, the trailer is all you need to watch, the rest of the drawn out movie you can ignore, it’s derivative and boring.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 21 2023 15:33 utc | 15

Knowing even less about warfare than I imagined I knew before lurking at MoA, I revisited MoA’s June 5 blogpost in which b expressed confidence in Russia’s “echeloned layered defense” strategy. And, although I couldn’t follow b’s logic, it turns out that b was about 140% right!
Who woulda coulda guessed that the UAF would waste men and materiel for 2+ months trying to breach an unbreachable defensive line? It suģgests to me that Ukrainians AND their ‘expert” NATO “advisors” are dumber than rocks.
On the other hand it’s probably worth remembering that US-NATO has only ever attacked countries which have partially or fully disarmed in response to Western assurances that disarmament was the ‘guaranteed’ path to Peace & Democracy since WWII.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 21 2023 15:34 utc | 17

@Eightman 1:
82nd seems to be keeping its Challengers away from combat. Not one seen even on drone footage, let alone engaged.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 21 2023 15:37 utc | 19

@ Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 21 2023 15:34 utc | 16
I don’t think NATO is fretting so much about Russian revanchism after the Russian military has been bled dry the way it has. Hundreds of thousands of young Russian men fled the country to evade conscription, reducing the industrial base for the production of both “guns and butter”, and reducing the potential for future military initiatives.
We talk a lot here about Ukrainian losses, but partiality of the bar flies to Russia has created a triumphalist narrative which doesn’t correspond to reality. Long-term, Russia is fucked. Maybe Putin banning abortion will stem the tide of Russian demographic collapse, but that would be at the expense of the present generation of workers who can barely support themselves, let alone an enlarged family. The economic hardship for Russian workers that Putin’s state is setting the stage for may well be the impetus for its downfall, if Russian workers can recall their revolutionary past.

Posted by: fnord | Aug 21 2023 15:43 utc | 21

reply to 11
I use the daily MOD report as a barometer of intensity. It can be confusing as various YouTube people will claim huge losses but the daily clobber report may not support it. So, in relative terms, it makes the offensive look pretty weak. I appreciate Mercouris and Berletic as they seem dispassionate and measured about reporting. That doesn’t mean they’re always right ( who is?) but it seems like a good starting point.

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 21 2023 15:47 utc | 23

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 21 2023 15:40 utc | 20

… engine failed to shut off and ran for 127 seconds instead of planned 84 seconds

Clearly they’re seriously testing a bunker buster.
I’d get the hell off the planet if I were Zelensky.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 21 2023 16:00 utc | 25

I would bet that Xi, Modi, and selected African leaders have a lot of input on what Russia does on Ukraine.
Modi especially has made a lot of moves towards dedollarization. A risky move for India, and one that no doubt is coordinated with Putin to cover contingencies.
So far it seems that Russia is steadily improving its world wide diplomatic position. I predict that it won’t majorly escalate against NATO until joint actions are also made by other nations,
Russia alone would take major losses in a solo escalation with NATO. With other nations being supportive in their own way? Maybe fewer losses.

Posted by: Woke American | Aug 21 2023 16:16 utc | 27

Swing State?
I read Bhadrakumar weekly.
This, today, is the only quibbling I have ever heard from him. He should be ashamed for taking the US’s part here–just man up and say India hearts the US. Not something I’d want to say and I think he knows it too but won’t man up to such a hang dog rolling over to the US.
https://www.rt.com/india/581593-india-brics-west-world/

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Aug 21 2023 16:28 utc | 29

Milites | Aug 21 2023 16:33 utc | 29
***Seems that actively encouraging females to be misandrists and teaching them that having a family is an evil patriarchal plot, akin to slavery, and an irresponsible luxury, has consequences.***
Long thought it odd how many of the most fervent pimps of that CIA-cultivated psychological warfare against north European nations, collectively tend to have rather a lot of sprogs themselves.
And demand unlimited immigration — responding to anyone who points out that some countries such as the UK are unsustainably full already, with arguments like “Ah, but it is a global problem”.
Btw, how come for instance the Napoleonic wars, WW1 and WW2 could — in times of labour-intensive industry — be held with far *less* of a population number in the countries involved than there is now?

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 21 2023 16:43 utc | 31

Arch Bungle @ 25

Clearly they’re seriously testing a bunker buster…

OMG, that actually makes sense. Worse, I believe it!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 21 2023 16:46 utc | 33

@Milites | Aug 21 2023 16:33 utc | 29

At least it wasn’t because of a decimal point being in the wrong place, or a failure to convert from decimal to metric units.

Decimal is not a set of units. I recently saw a US American trying to measure length in SI-units. When he reported “three and five eights” centimeters I realized there was no way we could communicate other than using hand signals 😀 . In the multipolar world, the former empire needs to discover both the international system of units as well as decimal numbers.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 21 2023 16:54 utc | 35

Posted by: fnord | Aug 21 2023 15:32 utc | 14 “You need something like 50 flight hours in a sim before they even let you look at a real plane, and that’s for dentists and pediatricians in Cessnas.”
What country is that in?

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 21 2023 17:00 utc | 37

Interesting tidbit:
An Iranian military delegation arrived in Moscow to discuss issues of bilateral cooperation through the ground forces – the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation.
The ministry noted that Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Ground Forces Salyukov and his colleague from Iran agreed to increase cooperation.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/78086

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 21 2023 17:10 utc | 39

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 21 2023 16:54 utc
The decimal system is the system of electric calculators. The old English systems were natural evolution’s of measurements that were easily divisible by a large number of integers: Twelve pence in a Shilling of twenty to the Pound is more readily divisible than base ten numbers. If the Bronze Age Death Cult in DC get their nuclear war the wisdom of the old ways will become apparent.

Posted by: Bilejones | Aug 21 2023 17:16 utc | 41

MSM is reporting that Zelensky called the lunar government to extend condolences for the lunar kindergartens and maternity wards destroyed by the Russian attack.

Posted by: Ozark Granpa | Aug 21 2023 17:36 utc | 43

Someone’s lying, but who?
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 21 2023 15:05 utc | 8
Nobody!
Man, “Sweden has no plans”.
But others do and Sweden can develop one in “future”.
Dont go to court, buddy!

Posted by: 600w | Aug 21 2023 17:45 utc | 45

Posted by: Myrad | Aug 21 2023 17:46 utc | 47
Bravo! You make skipping easy.

Posted by: 600w | Aug 21 2023 18:00 utc | 47

I see that b linked to a Gordon Hahn article on his Twitter X account. I’m not sure about some of his conclusions.
“The above-mentioned nationalist and fascist elements are often as anti-Western as they anti-Russian.” Since when has this been the case. The Maidan regime (his term not mine) was as pro-Western (American, EU) as it could be. So it’s anti specific European countries like Germany, Hungary, Poland maybe??
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 21 2023 14:47 utc | 5
Understandably fascists are not cheerleaders for the sort of liberal ideology most of the West currently subscribes but usually know which way their bread is buttered so they will just whine about it.

Posted by: Satepestage | Aug 21 2023 18:12 utc | 49

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 21 2023 18:07 utc | 50
> Russia does not appear to lack manpower to continue the SMO for as long as they feel it necessary.
It makes no sense to run a SMO for too long. They should either wrap it up soon or turn it to the GMO.

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 21 2023 18:19 utc | 51

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 21 2023 16:54 utc | 34
«educated working women simply do not have the time or desire to put in the enormous physical and mental investment that goes into raising even one child, let alone multiple children»
That is the usual ahistorical “woke” propaganda that educated women reject the slavery of motherhood. It is ahistorical propaganda because throughout history very poor women with very long exhausting working days in the fields and at home had lots of children, without paying much attention to them, often relying on older children to mind the younger ones. Anyhow half died before adolescence…
This still happens in many poor places, where women have lots of children.
Actually having and raising children is relatively cheap in money and effort if that is done without a lot of investment, without treating each as a precious wonder.
What has really happened is quite different: women have always had children mostly as pension assets, to be cared by their children once their husband had dies and they were old, so the more the better the chances of them surviving until needed. BTW “children” here has always meant “sons”, because they are far more profitable pension assets than daughters, as they can be worked harder and longer in the fields.
Since Bismarck women have an alternative pension asset strategy: investing not in children but working for money and investing in financial assets. Bismarck introduced pensions (for women only) to ensure that mothers would not fight against conscription which might lead to the loss of their pension assets (mercenary armies were largely staffed by orphans and people who had left their families).
In modern times for working women children are mostly a luxury hobby, competing for time and money with nicer cars, longer travelling holidays, snazzier clothes, bigger houses, so they have none or one or very few, at the last moment, and then they spend a lot of money and time on that one or few. This has happened even in relatively poor but still developed countries like Ukraine and Russia.
The only developed countries with pensions that have had higher birth rates are those that have made having and raising children a cheap rather than an expensive hobby, one that does not compete with funding a financial pension, by full state funding of pregnancy, obstetrical care, child care. If it is a cheap hobby many women will have 2 or 3 children instead of none or one, even if they are also saving for a pension. This seems to be well known to the various oligarchies, but the propaganda that educated women are too smart to waste their lives having children keep getting pushed out.
Bismarck did not realize that with time pensions, designed to allow conscription of many sons into mass armies for industrial war, would mean that women would also have an incentive to have fewer sons, not merely to be less sensitive to their loss in war, and there would be a lot fewer children to conscript.

Posted by: Blissex | Aug 21 2023 18:21 utc | 53

… I wonder if there are redlines or rules behind the scenes betwen the US and Russia and that’s why Russia is going slow. …
Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 21 2023 14:20 utc | 1
It’s an interesting question as to whether there are explicit or implicit agreements.
One hint might be that NATO clowns all stopped boasting about sending DU to Ukraine after the Khmelnitsky depot was turned into glowing vapour which then blew west over Ukraine and into Poland. In fact, the last reference I saw to DU was that Abrams DU armour panels were to be removed before the tanks were given to Ukraine.
Hitting Chernihiv theatre and losing a Tu-22M3 directly afterwards naturally leads to the suspicion that the latter was NATO retaliation for the former. I myself believe that to be the case and wonder at what it means for hitting a drone developer conference to be considered equivalent to taking out a Tu-22M3, plus the implication that an attack on the air base must have been ready to roll at a moment’s notice.
That sort of retaliation suggests that you’ve just done the right thing and should do more of it with all due haste! Even the UN spoke out against the theatre attack, but says nothing about many undeniable war crimes.
One wonders just who was at that drone developer conference.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 21 2023 18:25 utc | 55

The strangest thing about Zelenskys visit to Sweden wasn’t the talk about JAS (that would be a better plane for Ukraine than the F16, but there have only been about 300 or so built ever, so in the end they will get none), it was the signed deal to build a factory in Ukraine to produce Stridsfordon 90. (An IFV.)
Given that the fairly large Ukrainian armament industry was bombed out of existence while they still had some air defence, and they now have none, I wonder if they are going to get many applications from Swedish engineers to move there and supervise the production?

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 21 2023 18:29 utc | 57

people in this website are trying to cope. Like, Russia is losing its major economic partners,..
myrad, can’t you find a place to hang out online with your own kind? why are you here?

Posted by: annie | Aug 21 2023 18:37 utc | 59

https://vk.com/wall701885602_86376

The military doctrine of Russia assumes the use of all means available to Moscow in the event of an attack by a third country on Belarus. This was stated by Russian Ambassador to Minsk Boris Gryzlov.
“President of Russia Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin clearly said that within the framework of the Union State, in the event of an attack on the territory of Belarus, we will consider it an attack on Russia. The military doctrine of the Russian Federation assumes in this case a response with all our possible weapons,” he said in the report of the Belarusian TV channel STV.
I would like to ask Mr. Gryzlov why all the means available to Moscow are not used in an attack on Russian territory? Are the Belgorod, Kursk, Bryansk, Novgorod regions, Crimea and even the city of Moscow, which are regularly attacked by Ukraine by drones and even cruise missiles, not the territory of Russia?
What to do with the application of the military doctrine of the Russian Federation in these cases? Or “we play here, we don’t play here, but here we wrapped the fish”?
Doesn’t such a policy create doubts among the people of Belarus about their eastern ally and the fear that in the event of a Ukrainian attack on their republic, the Kremlin, as always, will manage to express deep concern?

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 21 2023 18:45 utc | 61

“Can we have a conversation about how liberals are essentially down with sacrificing an entire generation of Ukrainians because of Russiagate?
That is what this is about for a lot of them
Hundreds of thousands of people have to die because queen Hillary was denied her right to be president”
-I think it’s bigger than that.
The US/NATO plan for Ukraine was put into motion around 2012. The coup, the civil war, the corruption …
Trump interrupted all of that.
The way they folded all of their anti-Trump actions into the ongoing scheme was pretty clever, honestly.
“>https://twitter.com/theothermikeroy/status/1693567240006746238

That’s it. Ukraine is in a war because US liberals are angry that Hillary was denied presidency, and Trump delayed their plans of war in Ukraine.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 21 2023 18:54 utc | 63

Orange boy did not delay anything. He is the one who started to send lethal weapons to Ukr for the first time, then continued with multiple billions worth of weapons each year. He started to quit agreements with Russia. He ordered the development of small nukes to replace standard bombs. It will be killaryous to see orange boy in orange clothes.

Posted by: rk | Aug 21 2023 19:05 utc | 65

Posted by: Blissex | Aug 21 2023 18:21 utc | 55
«In modern times for working women children are mostly a luxury hobby […] and then they spend a lot of money and time on that one or few. This has happened even in relatively poor but still developed countries like Ukraine and Russia.»
My guess is that one reason why Putin is doing a scaled down SMO and there a law in the RF forbidding the deployment of conscripts outside the borders: probably many young russian men are the only sons of their mothers, so there is the “Saving Private Ryan” situation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia
https://population-pyramid.net/en/pp/russian-federation
The tragedy is that the ukrainian fascist government, pushed by their USA “sponsors”, seems to have not much reluctance at sending only sons to the meat grinder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine
https://population-pyramid.net/en/pp/ukraine

Posted by: Blissex | Aug 21 2023 19:06 utc | 67

A video with Yevgeny Prigozhin in Africa appeared
https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/6980

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 21 2023 19:11 utc | 69

And I don´t think Rumania (and certainly not Moldova) were ever “critical” trading partners.
Posted by: John Marks | Aug 21 2023 18:48 utc | 65

Your snark meter would seem to be in need of recalibration. 😉

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 21 2023 19:16 utc | 71

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 21 2023 18:54 utc | 66
IMO the liberal obsession with Trump/Russia was not by itself the causative agent for this war. The war was baked in the cake when a democratically elected Ukraine government was violently pushed out of power with the support of the US and a regime that was controlled by Russian-hating fascists took power. But the Democrat’s fixation with blaming Russia for all things that made them cry is why the war can’t end, at least on their watch. There is simply no tolerance in the Democratic party for an alternative viewpoint, hating Russia is a loyalty test to be a member of the club. That and the president was the viceroy of Ukraine during the Obama administration. He’s now surrounded by a clique of neocon warmongers none of whom can see where this is going. My only hope is that the Hunter Biden debacle reaches peak media play by next summer. Hard to say who either party is going to run, but anything is better than this guy.

Posted by: Mike R | Aug 21 2023 19:26 utc | 73

Posted by: Bilejones | Aug 21 2023 17:16 utc | 42
Careful, you’ll be accused of being unable to perform simple arithmetic or remember a set of units. I’ve argued this here. People have difficulty understanding that the human brain doesn’t deal well with divisions of five because they have had years of having it beaten into their heads.
We work well in dividing by powers of two, because it is just repeatedly dividing by two. Almost everybody can cut a regularly shaped block of cheese into any power of two pieces: 2, 4, 8, … because that is natural for our brains. We can divide by three almost as easily because that is dividing by 2, twice, at the same time. Few can easily divide a regular block into five pieces, or ten.
Ever constructed a regular five pointed star with a compass and straight edge? Even following directions online without understanding the math behind it is very difficult. I wasn’t successful. Proving mathematically that it is correct, is even harder. The Pythagoreans in Ancient Greece were the most advanced mathematicians known. When one mastered the mathematics behind the five pointed star, they were allowed to construct on and wear it as a badge of rank. That’s why mystics since then have used that as a symbol of magic.
Ancient Chinese used both base sixteen and base eight numbering systems along with appropriate abacus. Romans weren’t the advanced mathematicians that the Greeks were. They invented (borrowed) methods that could be used by the uneducated masses. Their most important invention was the counting stick. Starting at the bottom, they carved lines up a stick. Every tenth one was labeled by an ‘X’. As a herder let a cow out, he moved his thumbnail up a notch. When all were out, he tied a string in that top notch. An educated person could count the X’s and remaining “ones” above it and scratch them on a tablet. That is the basis of the Roman Numeral system. One could tie a string on a counting stick and send any hand to collect that many pieces of produce.
Romans used counting boards, which functioned like abacus. They were clay tablets with vertical grooves. Each customer used the counter board at a store using beads that they carried in a bag around their necks. They could do all of the arithmetic operations, including multiplication and raising to a power. Today, we still refer to going to the “counter.”
I’m pretty sure that metric systems came about before calculators due mostly to the influence of the Romans, but they contributed to it become endemic. Hexadecimal math is as easily performed on the fingers as is decimal. The thumb is the counter, and the tip and joints on each finger are units. Instead of being limit to counting to ten on one hand, or twenty on two, one can count to ‘F’, (16 decimal,) on one hand, and ‘FF’, (255 decimal,) on both hands. Obviously, using hexadecimal counting with hands is more powerful.

Posted by: barstool | Aug 21 2023 19:27 utc | 75

Posted by: rk | Aug 21 2023 19:05 utc |
‘Orange boy in orange pyjamas’, far too revealing a statement, and one that immediately reduces your argument to the status of cut and paste npc fodder.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 21 2023 19:40 utc | 77

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 21 2023 18:54 utc | 66
He delayed all their plans for four years and came close to revealing the vipers nest. Ukraine was going to be the Clinton honey pot and her crowning glory, the removal of Putin. Check out where Russia was six years ago, far weaker economically and militarily less capable, with far smaller and less capable inventory of the game-changing weapons.
All roads do alas lead to Ukraine, as any cursory examination of the names that keep appearing in the numerous scandals.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 21 2023 19:45 utc | 79

@ Oswald, §77:
Your delightful prospect of the Russians marching on Brussels with no opposition from European nations is not as far-fetched as you suppose.
There isn´t a country in Europe that is not completely fed up with Ursula von der Lying trying to stamp on their national interests. All are aware of the bloated bureaucracy which achieves nothing but increasing impositions upon all European citizens. Their glass palaces, inflated salaries and retinue of lawyers, press-officers, secretaries, etc., etc., all with gold-plated pensions, just rubs salt into the many wounds the EU inflicts daily. Worst of all is their trampling of justice with appointed judges and no involvement of the people in making or judging their own laws – the yardstick of a free people.
We would all welcome the Russians taking out Berlaymont, expelling its current inhabitants and turning it over to house the homeless.

Posted by: John Marks | Aug 21 2023 20:00 utc | 81

Russians are bombing the Moon now. Depicable
Posted by: Comandante | Aug 21 2023 15:45 utc | 22

More evidence of Putin’s war crimes.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 21 2023 20:07 utc | 83

@Oswald | Aug 21 2023 19:27 utc | 77
Some Mussolini-like end game visions there. Unless these insane ‘people’ back down something like that will eventually happen.
Encouraging that video of germans receiving hostage Scholz!

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 21 2023 20:20 utc | 85

#1 — “I wonder if there are redlines or rules behind the scenes betwen the US and Russia and that’s why Russia is going slow.”
I suspect that many of the brigades of Ukrainian infantry conscripted off the street are reduced to the use of “technicals” much like the militias elsewhere.
More and more of them only have pickup trucks with machine guns and such on the back.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Aug 21 2023 20:25 utc | 87

To get back on topic (enough on metric system and evil liberals convincing women not to have children) please comment on this:
The fact that Russia has not destroyed the Ukr electrical grid, nor the Carpathian railway tunnels I think can be explained thusly: they are holding off until their next big offensive. To take these out now, although I believe they have the capability to do so, would allow the ukr to patch them back up in time for the big defensive crisis. After all the Germans managed to keep their infrastructure together almost to the end of WW2. The question is when will this gloves off offensive come? I think the consensus here on MOA is that it will happen when they’re satisfied that the AU is exhausted and depleted. Also depending on weather.

Posted by: Mbartv | Aug 21 2023 20:29 utc | 89

Posted by: Myrad | Aug 21 2023 17:46 utc | 47

Yeah, Russia is screwed in the long run but people in this website are trying to cope. …

The entire west is screwed in the long run, and for the same reasons.

The western bloc is delighted to what’s happening.

Why? The future is Asian.
The archons of the west look east with rising terror as the days go by.
The West wastes it’s resources picking fights with third world countries, turning friends into enemies and angering a state with the power to wipe it from existence.
Asia looks calmly ahead, building a new civilisation one brick at a time while the westerners fret about demographic collapse, climate and gender confusion.
The sun is setting on the West and the world looks to Asia for the new dawn.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 21 2023 20:33 utc | 91

Russians are bombing the Moon now. Depicable
Posted by: Comandante | Aug 21 2023 15:45 utc | 22
More evidence of Putin’s war crimes.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 21 2023 20:07 utc | 86
Given my many “typographical errors” that usually result from an overly assertive spelling checker “correcting” my choice in words, I can actually sympathize with the Russians. The Brainiacs at NASA crashed a probe on Mars because they made an error in converting between SAE and Metric units. (Why the Fuck were SAE units utilized at all?). I genuinely wish Russia the best of luck on their next space probe.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Aug 21 2023 20:38 utc | 93

Russians are bombing the Moon now. Depicable
Posted by: Comandante | Aug 21 2023 15:45 utc | 22
Yeah. And they are targeting kindergartens and maternity hospitals, and a neighbouring puppy daycare was collateral damage.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 21 2023 20:44 utc | 95

From the thread yesterday worth repeating:
“Ukrainians are being genocided to make space for blackrock operations, israel 2.0 (by zelensky’s admission), etc. They are not regretfully “expendable” but intentionally killed.
If, or when, Finland is made into the next proxy fighter against Russia, you’ll see that being an “ally”, Nato member or EU member makes no difference. Why would it? Nato and EU are enslavement and genocide mechanisms against their own populations as much as they are tools of physical, cultural and economic war against other countries.
Posted by: Jusses | Aug 21 2023 4:13 utc | 309″

Posted by: osi | Aug 21 2023 20:53 utc | 97

@ 78 Barstool
The task of drawing a pentagon inscribed in a circle was taught to me in basic drafting class in 1980.
So simple a Ukie could do it.
Understanding the mathematics is a different concept, but drawing with a compass and straight edge is easy peasy

Posted by: JoeDontSurf | Aug 21 2023 21:07 utc | 99