New missile attacks

Entire 404 country is in red. Some MiG in the air?

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/59262
Video

The Russian Defence Ministry has reported that a missile strike destroyed an AFU military echelon carrying ammunition in the vicinity of the Mezhevaya station unloading area in the Dnepropetrovsk Region

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/59268

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 17 2023 17:32 utc | 3

It seems some traitor, on high position in Russia want some futile negotiations.
Posted by: simplex | Aug 17 2023 17:31 utc | 2
I get the feeling Vlod and the Gallician Nazis aren’t going to negotiate until the Russians knock on the door.

Posted by: jpc | Aug 17 2023 17:39 utc | 5

Posted by: simplex | Aug 17 2023 17:31 utc | 2
They have been saying that for some time, if I remember correctly even Putin said it after Bachmut. And it’s true: Ukraine has very little military capacity left (demilitarised) and the nazi armed groups are crushed (with the exception of the latest iteration of azov).
So if Kiev want to talk peace Russia will listen. But they don’t.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 17 2023 17:53 utc | 7

I get the feeling all the usual trolls, fleas and counter-narrative operatives that haunt the bar have been rather quiet lately …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 17 2023 17:55 utc | 9

@10 lovedonbass
That’s the plan that the US has, but I think they’ll find finland will be quite unwilling to pay the price to adjust their borders with Russia. They would need a full on attack on the baltics and us troops on the ground fighting under article 5 before they’d go in.
I’d bet on a Poland/Belarus war dragging in Russia with some incident to play the article 5 nato card.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2023 17:59 utc | 11

“The Lahaina fire on Maui was entirely predictable. In fact, it had been predicted to occur to one degree or another for quite some time. “It was just a matter of time,” said Clay Trauernicht, wildland fire specialist at the University of Hawaii. “It was not if it was going to happen. It was when.” Is it a profit motive, like the billions to be made by reconstruction — is that why fires continue to be a seriousl danger every summer? Will they be motivated to finally fix this even though it involves putting the lives of the common people over serving the rich and powerful? We will see.”
From: Why The Fire On Maui Happened: The Real Truth

Posted by: kana | Aug 17 2023 18:09 utc | 13

Couple of excellent maps pertaining to Niger here:
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/08/16/niger-ecowas-western-imperialism-in-africa/
Another good source is africanews.com with many stories on Niger.
These include US not only stymied in Niger but very worried about Wagner moving in to assist the rebels. Also from this site, Blinken has been in touch with Bazoum (but dated Aug 8 how is this possible? since he was captured July 26 and made captive)
Niger is largely without electricity due to action by ECOWAS (this being cited by the west as inhumane treatment of Baz–plus lack of running water, another general problem in this country). How can an imprisoned Baz communicate anything to anyone (including WaPost)?
Much indication in these sources of huge uprising against the old systems.

Posted by: botete | Aug 17 2023 18:24 utc | 15

Cursing! Wrong thread again! Sorry mates.

Posted by: botete | Aug 17 2023 18:28 utc | 17

Southeast of Rabotino, our guys found several corpses of our soldiers with polyurethane foam in the anus, apparently they were prisoners of war …
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/75657
While Chessmasters in kremlin re philosophing about
A humanitarian war and sending ukronazi POWs on 5 star holidays in turkey their lovely Small brothers having fun with Russian big Brothers Pows

Posted by: SlowSoft | Aug 17 2023 18:35 utc | 19

JustAMaverick – 6
I don’t think Putin is quite so ready to negotiate Minsk III, even if there are some territorial ‘concessions’. I don’t think Russia will accept an agreement with its “non agreement capable” counterparts until Russia is in control of all former Ukrainian territory east of Lviv.

Posted by: Eric Blair | Aug 17 2023 18:50 utc | 21

re: Figleaf23 | Aug 17 2023 18:18 utc | 14
You ask, “How will the US trick Finland into hostilities against Russia?”
Aegis Ashore bases placed on the Finnish-Russian border, US Strategic nuclear bombers based in Finland, etc. etc.

Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 17 2023 18:52 utc | 23

Posted by: Eric Blair | Aug 17 2023 18:50 utc | 20
Always when u think it can’t come more badly Chessmaster tops it with a surprising western ukronazi friendly decision

Posted by: SlowSoft | Aug 17 2023 18:58 utc | 25

Couple of excellent maps pertaining to Niger here:
…
Posted by: botete | Aug 17 2023 18:24 utc | 15
No maps found!

Posted by: schkid | Aug 17 2023 19:05 utc | 27

SlowSoft@18….foam up the ass is an Azov calling card. They would do it to kidnapped girls from the DPR, except it was vaginal. Really nice guys by the sound of it……and Russia not only sent them on a paid vakay to Tukay but now they face them again on the battlefield……utter fucking stupidity….and yes, the SlofuckingMo grinds on. Thousands dead every day and Zman in a flack jacket walks the Ramparts while Mr Putin is under house arrest. Weird shit.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 17 2023 19:18 utc | 29

RFK Jr. gives a detailed explanation of the Ukraine war starting with the dissolution of the Soviet Union in the early ’90s.
Start at 12 min 30 seconds: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1691228480556429312
This is the context behind the US / Russia conflict that people need to know, just like everyone should know the Iraq war was based on completely fabricated premises (there were no WMDs and Saddam wasn’t associated with Al Qaeda).
Some highlights from memory so I might mix up some details:
– Gorbachev was promised NATO wouldn’t move an inch past Germany, a promise that was obviously broken numerous times
– Putin took Crimea to prevent NATO seizing their main sea port after the US-backed coup in Ukraine
– Thousands of Russians in the Donbas region had been killed in the preceding decade
– Russians in the Donbas region were angry after the Russian language was partially banned in 2015
– Multiple peace deals have been undermined by the West
– Russia has been invaded through Ukraine 3 times, hence the reason Ukraine’s NATO petition was the final straw
– US politicians have admitted this isn’t about Ukraine, it’s about bleeding Russia dry and decreasing their ability to fight a future war
– US politicians also claim the war is good for the US because “all the money is coming back to us through weapons manufacturers”
– This conflict has pushed Russia closer to China, could strengthen Russia’s efforts to move BRICS nations off the dollar standard, and is putting the whole world on the brink of nuclear war

Posted by: Back to Nineties | Aug 17 2023 19:43 utc | 31

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 17 2023 18:57 utc | 23

.. In the video, Ukrainian militants shout that they allegedly opened fire on them because they refused to force the Dnieper in the Kherson region. ..

Thank’s for this as shown some “evidence” acc.to some “mis-understandings” between the ground line operating soldiers. But those mis-interpretations is also a valid problems to be handled by the RF soldiers just operating at any front-line.
What have to be considered today: AFU is expanding towards “South” by very strongly fired artillery + drones attacks. Not only “a small couples” of RF soldiers have been shot dead on that latest UAF-recovered brigades!
What’s awaiting next, beyond the “1st.!” of RF’s South defense line already have been destroyed/occupied by UAF & helping US/UK mercs?

Posted by: spare_truth | Aug 17 2023 19:48 utc | 33

I don’t see how anyone can see this issue and side with Russia. Russia may have reasoning and cause, which is absolutely terrible by the way. Siding with the Russians is completely ignoring the right of Self Determination, they didn’t hold legal referendums for any of the regions they’ve seized from Ukraine and tried to install a puppet regime in Kiev. Russia is clearly the aggressor nation and not only that, it is a backwards Authoritarian autocracy which tramples on civil rights. It doesn’t matter if Russia has reason or cause to do this or not, it is a Noncredible Defense. Also these points are all terrible and have tons of reasoning on what actually happened, that NATO deal was made before the USSR collapsed and didn’t account for the fact that these countries approached NATO, Poland begged NATO, Lithuania begged NATO, Latvia begged NATO, Estonia begged NATO, Romania begged NATO, and Ukraine has begged NATO. Why should we ignore their legitimate wills of the people because it will make Russia made that their hegemon has collapsed? Fuck that.

Posted by: Incompetenice | Aug 17 2023 19:52 utc | 35

The Minsk Accords were meaningless, and that shows as Fighting in the Eastern Regions never ended. The Ukrainians fighting isn’t pointless, that’s called Defending their homeland, the Russians invaded their homes, why should they roll over? The Russians are the ones sending thousands of young men, many conscripted, to go die in a far away land, sending heartbroken mothers their son in a casket. You are literally just siding with the Aggressor nation and saying it’s the victims fault for fighting back? how do you not see how bullshit of an argument that is.

Posted by: Incompetenice | Aug 17 2023 19:57 utc | 37

You mean the one made up of Far Right groups and that shot down airlines? Or the fact most of the ranks were made of Russian Volunteers. Or the fact that they have forced Conscription? Real Volunteer work when you’re forced to do it. Russia did the Eastern Ukraine how the United States did Texas, just send a bunch of our people there to cause a separatist movement and then take the land for ourselves. It was already a shitty political move in the 1830s, it definitely isn’t acceptable now. If they wanted to join Russia so badly why didn’t Russia, a part of the UN security council, a nation that carries major weight in the international scene, at least before they got their ass kicked in Ukraine, try to oh I don’t know, ask for an actual legal referendum? Show that these people want to actually join your country, instead of just taking and claiming they do. But Russia didn’t do that, Russia has the diplomatic skills of a fucking bear, all they know how to do is take and take, they’re always encroaching on others land to try and extend their influence, it’s time that theuy get put their place for once.

Posted by: Incompetenice | Aug 17 2023 20:02 utc | 39

Why I do not expect a major Russian offensive in the next months or even years
Analysis by the Russia Strategic Initiative of the U.S. European Command, September 2021; Quotes from its Executive Summary, my emphasis:

Russian military leaders describe the current military strategy as one of ‘active defense.’
The sense of ‘active’ within active defense envisions demonstrations or limited use of force…
The operative thesis is that an opponent can be effectively degraded, parrying their offensive ground operation… The goal is to disorganize the opponent’s effort, and shape their political calculus via long-range strikes against critically important objects. The calculus is that the center of gravity lies in degrading a state’s military and economic potential, not seizing territory…The overall Russian objective is to prevent an opponent from achieving a decisive outcome, forcing them into a conflict with high levels of attrition. The vision is to inflict damage to military and economic infrastructure such that opponents will seek war termination on acceptable terms, and become preoccupied by the ensuing internal instability…

I think we see that RF is following these tenets quite strictly. The snag is that the opponent who can terminate the war (Collective West) is not the one who suffers the most (which clearly is Ukraine). The proxy war is like a reverse lever. Therefore, in order to yield effect, the attrition must be long and thorough.
According to an OpEd by Colonel Alexander Khodakovsky (RF National Guard in DPR) published today, the long and winding road scenario is the most likely way for RF to follow. Quotes:

Can we bring down Ukraine militarily? Not now and in the near future.
…[not] possible to talk about the easy occupation of cities or their complete destruction. Rather, a new phase of “no peace, no war” will begin. This position is the most disadvantageous for the Ukrainian state. Unlike Russia, which, despite all the problems, has high survivability, Ukraine is essentially a construct that is not viable without outside help. Currently, the West is transferring weapons, military equipment, money to pay for mercenaries to Ukraine. But in the future, these financial flows will end, and then the question of a global redistribution of Ukraine will inevitably arise…

Of course, it is impossible to precisely predict future events. Yet I’m sure that RF will not be the one who will decisively escalate. Who will collapse first and how, country 404 (mutiny?), or the patience/coffers/standard of living in the West remains open. In the case that the West is cornered, false flag escalations and other potentially globally lethal escalations (nuclear, bioweapons,…) are highly likely. Barflies, be prepared for a valley of tears. Cheers as long as there is still beer.

Posted by: OttoE | Aug 17 2023 20:05 utc | 41

LOL my fav is when people blame the failures of the AFU on “commanders sticking to that shitty old soviet doctrine!”. Never mind that people that say this *haven’t* even read or studied Soviet doctrine to begin with.
It could be that asking for NATO ‘advisors” is a bad idea given that NATO hasn’t won a major war and has only fought with a overwhelming air power advantage and technological disparity. Your NATO advisors have less experience in modern war than many ukrainian commanders and most certainly most Russian commanders.

Posted by: Anarchthropist | Aug 17 2023 20:17 utc | 43

Posted by: OttoE | Aug 17 2023 20:05 utc | 40
There was an analysis earlier that USA or west can’t increase arms production meaningfully unless they declare “full martial law” or something equivalent. They are at the limit of peace time sustainment. Another issue of course is the Green Lunacy economy. I’d be looking at this arena, probably they will invent more escalation. Ursula von der Lügen has been talking about “war economy”, she probably means she wants more funding for EU to donate to Rheinmetall, etc. But then again, look at BASF leaving Germany.
If so, the waiting game definitely doesn’t favor Ukraine, especially if the currency wars and situation of losing colonies in Africa, South Americas and Asia continue non-favorably for the west which will inevitably cause faster rate of decreasing wealth, higher inflation, and scarcity.
I’d also expect that the intensity of the war can decline, which basically means it costs a bit less. This will be a multi-year affair, for sure, but with varying levels of intensity.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 17 2023 20:25 utc | 45

Posted by: Incompetenice | Aug 17 2023 20:02 utc | 38

.. But Russia didn’t do that, Russia has the diplomatic skills of a fucking bear, all they know how to do is take and take, they’re always encroaching on others land to try and extend their influence, it’s time that theuy get put their place for once. ..

Dear guy, pls listen only some points, as enclosed – only here today! – as below:
1. a “fucking bear” ! is not like an expression MoAs normally would like to use here in any of its comments.
2. Evidence reportedly needed acc.to “..they’re always encroaching on others land..” you stated today – where is the evidence ?
3. As for your remark “.. it’s time that theuy get put their place for once. ..”,
I do not understand what “you?” having meant by this above statement, pls. give a little bit more precise infos.
All best for you – Your name speaks for yourself competence here ..
– The CIA Office Director Spokesperson of the United(?) States of America..

Posted by: spare_truth | Aug 17 2023 20:27 utc | 47

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 17 2023 19:18 utc | 28
U don’t need enemies if u ve such chessmasters, dealmakers (minsk, NS, grain), financial experts (300bn usd on enemies accounts abroud and military strategists in the kremlin
Ukronazis real ally’s re sitting in the Kremlin
Modern Russian traitors

Posted by: SlowSoft | Aug 17 2023 20:34 utc | 49

I get the feeling all the usual trolls, fleas and counter-narrative operatives that haunt the bar have been rather quiet lately …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 17 2023 17:55 utc | 9
Check out this poison dwarf:
Posted by: Incompetenice | Aug 17 2023 20:02 utc | 38
They’re back….

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 17 2023 20:52 utc | 51

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 17 2023 17:55 utc | 9

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 17 2023 20:52 utc | 512 utc | 51

..They’re back..

So, let them “come back”, what to be worry about ..
Let the trolls here real-time ‘shipping’ infos on best fact-based “stories” about the RF-AFU strikes, esp. in “The Black Sea”.
Come on – send proofed infos now ! …

Posted by: spare_truth | Aug 17 2023 21:08 utc | 53

Posted by: Incompetenice | Aug 17 2023 19:52 utc | 34
I’ll shove that “far away land” – all of it – in your dick loving anus, you fucking mentally defective anglo-saxon pederast.

Posted by: Boo | Aug 17 2023 21:12 utc | 55

Very concerning story. Southfront has proven to be reputable source of Truth over many years.
https://southfront.org/save-the-children-another-concern-of-the-state-or-new-crimes-of-the-kyiv-regime-against-children/
They are Nazis after all.
Like the “Good Germans” of WW2 do we just disbelieve such things would happen? Is Dr Mengele only an accident of history for one decade?

Posted by: PJB | Aug 17 2023 21:16 utc | 57

Posted by: PJB | Aug 17 2023 21:16 utc | 57
South Front has also another article today about Ukrainian child trade, for pedophiles, organ donations and other use. Western intel services and organizations are also involved in this and criminal organizations operate completely free in Ukraine. It is a high source of revenue for Zel admin. They are now also taking all the children from Kupyansk.
https://southfront.org/save-the-children-another-concern-of-the-state-or-new-crimes-of-the-kyiv-regime-against-children/

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 17 2023 21:33 utc | 59

scroll down deep into the piece: two maps to look for along with other illustrations, and a good overall commentary on the conflict:
Posted by: botete | Aug 17 2023 20:26 utc | 46
In the article till here:
“This article is from MPN.news, an award winning investigative newsroom. Sign up for their newsletter.
The views expressed in this article may or may not reflect those of Consortium News.”
I didn’t see any maps.
Give us the links to the pictures (of the maps) directly if there are any.
Thanks
schkid

Posted by: schkid | Aug 17 2023 22:07 utc | 61

PEACE: Mention any type of proposed peace and it gets a lot of comments. Most want peace, me included.
Yet, such is not realistic at this point when one considers that both Russia and the USA are fighting for survival. Neither of these two beasts is going to back down. Until one or both are dead, it will be a fight to the end.
The USA has to take Russia down by any means possible. Otherwise, their hegemony is not only threatened, but will be destroyed. When most of the world refuses use of the United States Dollar (USD), the USA will lose its hegemony.
All those who deal in USDs benefit from the hegemony of the USA.
Russia is the main driver for a multipolar world where the USD is no longer king. The USA knows that once it takes Russia down that the rest of the world, including China, will get in line. Yet, in the process of taking Russia down, it could find itself in smoldering heaps.
Russia is fighting for its survival. Putin knows that the USA must take him down and the existing Russian Federation. He understands that the USA must destroy the existing RF as it is.
It definitely appears that Putin will jump to negotiate a peace. Yet, his past record is pretty dismal. He negotiated the MINSK agreement. Yet, the West never kept its side of the deal. Last year Putin negotiated the Ukrainian grain deal. Yet, the West never kept its side of the deal.
It would have been easy enough to have clauses in these deals that if one side failed to live up to their agreements, that the deal would immediately be over. Yet, these simple protections from the Russian side were not in the agreements.
Either Putin is a most terrible negotiator or other factors are enticing or forcing him to the positions he takes when he negotiates.
Angela Merkel brought out the fact that the West was never serious about keeping its side of the Minsk agreement to do damage upon Putin. Merkel did not bring this dark truth to public light out of stupidity. She did it to take Putin down.
Her public revelation that the West never had any intention of keeping the Minsk agreement hurt Putin. Now add the latest grain deal debacle to Putin’s negotiation failures. Many in Russia must have some raised eyebrows about what is really going on.
The Russian people should have some concerns if Putin has anything to do with any coming peace negotiations.
Peace will eventually come. It just is not going to occur with an abiding negotiated peace out of Ukraine. Perhaps the USA will use another peace deal to slow the Russians in their military progress and to buy time for the West. Yet, neither Russia nor the USA will strive for true peace.
The peoples will get wrapped up in the lovely thoughts of peace and safety. Yet, sudden destruction will come their way.

Posted by: young | Aug 17 2023 22:11 utc | 63

I don’t see how anyone can see this issue and side with Russia. Russia may have reasoning and cause, which is absolutely terrible by the way. Siding with the Russians is completely ignoring the right of Self Determination, they didn’t hold legal referendums for any of the regions they’ve seized from Ukraine and tried to install a puppet regime in Kiev. Russia is clearly the aggressor nation and not only that, it is a backwards Authoritarian autocracy which tramples on civil rights. It doesn’t matter if Russia has reason or cause to do this or not, it is a Noncredible Defense. Also these points are all terrible and have tons of reasoning on what actually happened, that NATO deal was made before the USSR collapsed and didn’t account for the fact that these countries approached NATO, Poland begged NATO, Lithuania begged NATO, Latvia begged NATO, Estonia begged NATO, Romania begged NATO, and Ukraine has begged NATO. Why should we ignore their legitimate wills of the people because it will make Russia made that their hegemon has collapsed? Fuck that.
Posted by: Incompetenice | Aug 17 2023 19:52 utc | 34
I want to make it extremely clear to you Mr. “Incompetenice” and anyone else with your views…
First of all… Russia does not give a damn what you think..
BECAUSE…..
Russia is the successor to the Soviet Union and the Russian Empire….
AND…..
Those lands are Russian lands….
AND…
Russia and only Russia will determine what occurs therin…
AND…..
Russia has made it clear that any government imposed by NED/NSA/NATO/MI6/CIA is illegal….
AND….
Any government which discriminates against Russian ethnics is illegal….
AND…..
Those will be destroyed…..!
Capische???
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 17 2023 22:16 utc | 65

You mean the one made up of Far Right groups and that shot down airlines? Or the fact most of the ranks were made of Russian Volunteers. Or the fact that they have forced Conscription? Real Volunteer work when you’re forced to do it. Russia did the Eastern Ukraine how the United States did Texas, just send a bunch of our people there to cause a separatist movement and then take the land for ourselves. It was already a shitty political move in the 1830s, it definitely isn’t acceptable now. If they wanted to join Russia so badly why didn’t Russia, a part of the UN security council, a nation that carries major weight in the international scene, at least before they got their ass kicked in Ukraine, try to oh I don’t know, ask for an actual legal referendum? Show that these people want to actually join your country, instead of just taking and claiming they do. But Russia didn’t do that, Russia has the diplomatic skills of a fucking bear, all they know how to do is take and take, they’re always encroaching on others land to try and extend their influence, it’s time that theuy get put their place for once.
Posted by: Incompetenice | Aug 17 2023 20:02 utc | 38

Not bad, not bad. Work on it a little more before applying for the Onion. Love a good satire though. I give it a C+.

Posted by: The Owl | Aug 17 2023 22:23 utc | 67

You know it’s almost superfluous but ‘Incompetenice’
In an era of ubiquitous spellchecker you would think you could spell incompetence properly. Maybe you meant incontinence? Or perhaps you thought somehow it was a clever misspelling?
The problem with the internet is it makes every bozo think their thoughts are worth sharing.
In any case it’s not even worth rebutting your argument, such as it is. You appear to have fattened yourself on a diet of Western propaganda, read without a critical lens, and this has contributed to a sort of myopic view. Good luck with that.
I see another tinker toy sea ‘drone’ (makes them sound high tech when there just small remote controlled surface vessels with limited dive capacity in some cases) fucked around and found out, as they say, with the Vasily Bykov.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 17 2023 22:35 utc | 69

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 17 2023 22:35 utc | 69
Incompetenice is probably an AI bot-troll.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 17 2023 22:39 utc | 71

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Aug 17 2023 22:16 utc | 65

,, Russia has made it clear that any government imposed by NED/NSA/NATO/MI6/CIA is illegal..

As a reference copied by your comment copied from the “Incompetenice” strange guy having posted thereto :
– Wait what’s going on – the only need to perform next ..
– RU’s Intel is as successfully today as they are being allowed today.
Understood?
So then wait for a next assasination – by whome? – wait, perhaps the German.FM – turning the 360 degree loop?
Think it or not, but the war will go on in “The Black Sea”. Listen ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Aug 17 2023 22:41 utc | 73

For me, the funniest thing is that the, supposedly, most powerful military alliance, which is meant to be defensive and act as deterrent, has as its first priority the security concerns of states which have no military potential of their own, but feels that it’s safe to ignore the security concerns of the largest military power in Europe and the world’s biggest nuclear power. Think about it. If some Estonia and its less-than-million population and 10 guys 1 rifle military is shoved to one side, what’s the worst that can happen? Maybe they’ll write an angry letter before having to negotiate a comprehensive security agreement with all of its neighbors — you might have an angry Esti tourist somewhere break a bottle against the pavement. If Russia has security concerns that aren’t being addressed, especially on its own borders, everyone understands that it has the means to resolve them by force, is likely to muster the political will to do it, and that the worst that can happen is thermonuclear war killing all life on the planet.
But no, you’re right. What really matters is what the Baltic states or Poland worry about, and their right to pretend that their security issues will be resolved for them on a different continent, so that it’s safe to provoke their nuclear-armed next-door neighbor with impunity. That’s not a realist position, it’s the Loretta skit of balance of power dynamics. “We shall fight the oppressor for your right to have babies, brother.”

Posted by: Skiffer | Aug 17 2023 22:49 utc | 75

38 Posted by: Incompetenice , incontinence? incompetent?
we got a live one here, well sort of.
“try to oh I don’t know, ask for an actual legal referendum?”
that line works on dummies in the west that never heard of the crimea referendum held 3 times. if i recall the 2014 vote was deemed illegal one point being because it contravenes the ukraine constitution, which doesnt allow such votes, much the way feds say they would prevent texas or california from voting to seperate in the united states. anyway jimmy carter foundation didnt have a problem with the earlier referendums as an observer.
but lets take your own words and insert Taiwan . why no approved referendum there? In all these years not one once nor one in the pipeline, lol i guess the collective west have done the quiet polling and dont want the humiliation being public, straight to ww3 without a vote is such a pillar of the free world,lol

Posted by: hankster | Aug 17 2023 23:10 utc | 77

It´s *still* available for me (in Germany) and has more sad news:
https://southfront.org/save-the-children-another-concern-of-the-state-or-new-crimes-of-the-kyiv-regime-against-children/

Posted by: Blue Angel | Aug 17 2023 23:21 utc | 79

Southfront down for anyone else?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 17 2023 23:11 utc | 78
—
Yes, down for me as well.

Posted by: knighthawk | Aug 17 2023 23:31 utc | 81

@61 schkid
I don’t get it, schkid. The URL I posted goes right to Consortium News and its article with the maps for me.
The first shows three views emphasized:
*active ECOWAS members
*Niger
*Suspended from ECOWAS
https://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status/1686322692947836928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1686322692947836928%7Ctwgr%5E6e7133b13d9323037a2e2b507bbca8a1c371f20d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=h
the second shows:
African countries that have signed military agreements with Russia.
https://twitter.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1687103033522716673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1687103033522716673%7Ctwgr%5E6e7133b13d9323037a2e2b507bbca8a1c371f20d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fconsortiumnews.com%2F2023%2F08%2F16%2Fniger-ecowas-western-imperialism-in-africa%2F
It looks like a lot of opposition to ECOWAS and bossman in the West to me.
Now if this don’t work I dunno mate
Best to you!

Posted by: botete | Aug 17 2023 23:35 utc | 83

Salaam,Incompetince,yuh mean make a call for referendum like how they did in the Catalonia region, of Spain.Or Republic of Spaska- then the exceptional ones and their lakeys say NO.Now how’s that for democracy and freedom!

Posted by: qassem eli | Aug 17 2023 23:53 utc | 85

There appears to be a defence mechanism
on MoA to call anybody who breaks US taboos, Trolls. Every institution invents a way to rationalise its own criminality, which becomes groupthink.
But nobody in that groupthink is responsible individually for the group criminality.
In every case the criminality was sown and propagated deliberately by one or two individuals to create a specific product. Right now the most dangerous threat to.human society is from AI, or logic intelligence without human conscience intelligence.
Islamist terrorism was created by Britain to fight for British colonial interests. They also created Nazism to use against Russia , Communism , Capitalism and Zionism. Each of these-isms has been carefully crafted for a purpose. Humans are social animals so once pointd in a particular direction, groupthink does the rest.
If each and every one of us could stop thinking that the groupthink we are in is what we ourselves think , and think what we ourselves really think , we would break this defensive attitude.
Our faces and skin colour are purely a a guide to our regional provenance. We don’t own the land of our provenance. Nor does ownership of land give us any
right whatsoever to impose own groupthink on others or others to impose their groupthink on us.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 18 2023 0:05 utc | 87

That is the way – no more no less!
Otherwise be welcome here to comment the next steps taken by either side – acc.to “The Black Sea” WAR , next months ..
Posted by: spare_truth | Aug 17 2023 23:59 utc | 86
A ceasefire would certainly be a good start. ‘next step’ is the big problem. Nothing will happen unless both sides agree to talk.

Posted by: dh | Aug 18 2023 0:15 utc | 89

Saying that Putin is a bad negotiator because he negotiated Minsk and the grain deal which were not implemented by the other side is like comparing a country’s finances with household finances. It shows the writer doesn’t understand the complexities involved while making ordinary people think they understand. Like propaganda.
International agreements do not have courts and police to back them up. What international courts exist are coopted by the US. So it all comes down to trust and reputation.
The US, being the big bully, is showing it can break promises and get away with it… but the consequences of this are that most of the world trusts Russia more than the US, wants to get away from dollar diplomacy, and is eyeing BRICS. Which shows Putin is playing the long game along with China. It’s not about one agreement, it’s about long term relationships in the world to help topple US hegemony, backed by demonstrating that Russia can fully take on NATO.

Posted by: Matthew | Aug 18 2023 0:21 utc | 91

Those opining Putin will conduct the negotiations clearly don’t know a damned thing about Russia. Negotiating is the job of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and its chief Sergei Lavrov. Currently, the current best guess by those willing to make one is either collapse and capitulation by Ukraine and thus no negotiations versus a surrender in the field by the Ukie Army, both of which would occur at some point next year. Team Biden has stated it wants the conflict to continue until the POTUS election is over. And Russia still requires a completely new security arrangement with Europe as proposed in December 2021, meaning it has no time deadline.
What can NATO possibly do once its Ukraine proxy’s defeated? NATO essentially has no air force, no credible air defenses, almost no artillery and ammo, and no main battle tanks capable of defeating Russian tanks. NATO does have lots of meat as did Ukraine, but NATO saw very well how that meat was ground. Furthermore, ALL NATO national economies are in the toilet, and no NATO nation can simply print euros to finance their military unlike the Outlaw US Empire.
In 1813, Russia decided to march West to finish the job, which lasted until 31 March 1814. Russia had to march West in 1945 to finish the job (although as we know it wasn’t finished). So, from my POV, does Russia again march West to again finish the job? Yes, the context is different but also the same: The West’s aim is/was to destroy Russia. Russia must decide to completely defeat European NATO or to allow it to rebuild its power so it can try yet again. Yes, I know Russia will impose a new security regime on Europe, but there’s no guarantee Europe will obey. And Russia certainly doesn’t want the expense of occupying Europe again.
It’s possible to view the EU/NATO complex and its Master the Outlaw US Empire as a Hitlerian or Napoleonic personage given its Megalomania and clear support for Neonaziliberalism, with current EU politicos essentially clones of their US counterparts, none of them being fit for governance and more suited for a prison cell. It’s thus possible to view Russia as liberating Europe from its Neonaziliberal oligarchy and treat the endgame somewhat as it did with Napoleon who abdicated and went into exile. Many have called for the EU/NATO structure to be broken and done away with for decades, and it’s perhaps easier to see why today than previously. And then there’s the deep, longstanding issue within some European nations of Russophobia that’s as bad as Nazism and would take many generations to try and eradicate. Some like the Balts and Poles, will take centuries to wring that from their cultural psyches; so, what does Russia do with them since its damned if it treats them good or bad? Quite the pickle.
With the EU/NATO kaput, new governance and financial institutions will be required. If NATO’s kaput, are all Outlaw US Empire troops gone? And if not, how can Europe claim to be sovereign with occupation forces in its midst? Russia could demand their withdrawal in its new security guidelines for Europe. And of course, there’ll be lots to do within each European nation to reorder itself as the current oligarchy cannot be allowed to continue in power–AND–the financial institutions must become public utilities to they cannot be used to overpower governments ever again.
Yes, none of the above will be easy, but it must be done if the world’s to enjoy peace. And I’m sure I didn’t cover everything either.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2023 0:37 utc | 93

I read all the reviews on this site.
I get quiet sometimes.
All comments are interesting.
This site is really good.
I’m not Russian, European, or American.
I am a Latin American “STILL communist”.
I live in Brazil, in the countryside, at the end of the world. Where there is still jungle, which the innocent of Europe, who destroyed all their forests, the BICHAS, who embrace trees, do not know.

Posted by: Iza | Aug 18 2023 0:41 utc | 95

Posted by: dh | Aug 18 2023 0:15 utc | 89

.. A ceasefire would certainly be a good start. ‘next step’ is the big problem. Nothing will happen unless both sides agree to talk. ..

Means, “unless both sides agree to talk” by any MIL-based circumstances to follow this way.
Note:
even the RF soldiers and its commanders on the “South front” are aware of the fact that their own background support will be not efficient furthermore enough to hold against today’s “endless” AFU/US-mercs men & its US-made reconn + attack drones, the US-made M-777 devices etc.
What kind of defense the RF Army would have til 2025 to withstand against its per-poll claimed “Russian” oblasts/regions ..?
Any idea? I’ve no one. Either .. the same as in Africa: Eliminate the “Commanders”, then the soldiers will follow you ..
Is that realistic for any coup in Washington DC – by same manner?
Don’t think so. So remain on possible strikes via Cuba, Venezuela, Ecuador etc. ..
Those S-AM countries have also some drones made by IRAN ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Aug 18 2023 0:53 utc | 97

I was asked the other day, why doesn’t my “communist” president Lula da Silva (who was never a communist – I have to laugh) support and defend US/EU/NATO criminals?
He knows what the “defenders” of American democracy, JOKE, did to HONEST President Dilma, and what they did to him, who spent 580 days in jail because of bandits from the US State Department, and the JOKE “justice “;
The USA STOLE more than 5 billion dollars from the Brazilian people, accusing Petrobras without any proof.
5 billion dollars from Petrobrás.
THESE ARE THE “rules”?

Posted by: iza | Aug 18 2023 1:07 utc | 99