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August 6, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-187
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Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 8 2023 7:39 utc | 388
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2023 9:46 utc | 395
shadowbanned Only publishing his opinion about nukes
but meanwhile vlads western partners creating facts!
5. Today Ukros received Scalp long range rockets from putins
Western partners.
6. Tomorrow Ukros will receive Taurus long range range rockets
from vlads western partner Germany
French, Germany, British, US missiles will kill Russian people, Russian soldiers, destroys Russian infrastructure,…..
What will be Chessmaster answer?
Another whining speach?
Russia is not like the west,…blablabla
Russia Doesnt wants WWW3,…blablabla
Few kinzhals against empty warehouses?
Does really anybody believe that such a weak and unsure chessmaster will impress western partners or even rest of world?
Sorry that i am not in the Kremlins line!
Now my cover is blown.
My credibility is in tatters.
Cease and desist.
I am SBU, FBI, CIA, LGBT, ….
If i am not SBU/CIA/MI6, then i am an useful idiot helping SBU/CIA/MI6 without realizing it.
Therefore in future i ll always double check with the Kremlins
my comments before publishing
.
Posted by: SlowSoft | Aug 8 2023 12:25 utc | 401
Read between the lines:
“They’re still going to see, for the next couple of weeks, if there is a chance of making some progress. But for them to really make progress that would change the balance of this conflict, I think, it’s extremely, highly unlikely.”
The US representative Mike Quigley, an Illinois Democrat who recently returned from meetings in Europe with US commanders training Ukrainian armed forces, said:
“Our briefings are sobering. We’re reminded of the challenges they face.
This is the most difficult time of the war.”
Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Aug 8 2023 12:33 utc | 402
SlowSoft…..leave a wound to fester long enough one might lose a limb…….looks like partners are hovering over the body, what parts to cut out first ….now that Saudi Arabia, the Ukraine and China have worked out a prelim peace proposal. Dogs be barking…….
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 8 2023 12:36 utc | 403
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 7 2023 14:47 utc | 279
There is no evidence to support those slanders.
More the situation for the ukronazis gets worse, more the enemies of Russia try such useless tricks which will change nothing on the front, nor for the outcome of the SMO.
Whining does not help too.
Posted by: libegafra | Aug 8 2023 12:45 utc | 404
Perhaps the biggest fear for posters here and anyone like myself that wants to see Russia come out on top in this conflict……is failure. Anything less than complete surrender from the belligerent Ukraine fucks will not be viewed as a success on the field…..anything that stops the senseless slaughter is good, but it will be a bitter pill none the less.
And take in to account (troll time) that the west is now supplying the Ukraine with more percession weapons and platforms that can operate from 3rd party countries, ties Russia’s hands and feat behind it’s back….
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 8 2023 12:49 utc | 405
I am SBU, FBI, CIA, LGBT, ….
Posted by: SlowSoft | Aug 8 2023 12:25 utc | 402
You said it. No reason to doubt your words. Does it pay well?
Posted by: libegafra | Aug 8 2023 12:52 utc | 406
Posted by: SlowSoft | Aug 8 2023 12:25 utc | 402
Warmongering gibberish in defence of team troll. I agree that you are a useful idiot, in that you have confirmed your support for both shadowbanned and the ‘killing of Russians’. Imbecile.
Your salivating at the prospect of NATO missiles killing Russians (in addition to the Ukrainian parliament declaration to destroy Russia as an entity) somewhat gives away the bullshit narrative of this being ‘a defensive war’ of NATO-kraine. And you double down on the ‘weak Putin’ Biden / Pentagon / corporate stenographer propaganda just to definitively prove that you haven’t got an independent functioning brain.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 8 2023 12:59 utc | 407
1. Depose Putin.
2. Replace Putin with shadowbanned.
3. Does Russia win the NATO-Russia War (intact) or
4. Turn itself, and the entire Globe into a smoking radioactive cinder?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2023 9:46 utc | 395
The whole war started because of NATO encircling Russia with nukes. If NATO already planned a nuclear strike on Russia, then it was unavoidable either way.
But if it didn’t and it will not cross that line, sealing the border with tactical nukes will not make them press the button. Exactly the opposite, they will back off.
The truth is most likely that the whole gradual encirclement wasn’t really about eventually striking kinetically, but more about having the nuclear gun loaded right at the Kremlin’s temple, in order to force them to behave the way the West wants.
And if the Kremlin responds even by e.g. nuking the Aegis Ashore sites in Poland and Romania out of existence, there will still be no WWIII — nobody will sacrifice DC, NYC and LA for that.
The only serious downside is that acting seriously will untie the hands of the lunatics in the US to use nukes around the world to deal with regimes they don’t like and Russia will have to actively defend those. That is a serious downside, and it would be good if it can be avoided.
But we are now at the point where the Kremlin has agreed on long-range cruise missiles being lobbed against it, the downsides of which vastly outweigh the downsides of breaking the nuclear taboo.
That is an absolute strategic red line that should never ever ever have been allowed to be crossed. I have explained it here countless times — once you accept that, the next step is a salvo of nuclear tipped such missiles, which you will not respond to strategically quickly enough because you will think they are conventional and your strategic forces will have been lulled to sleep. And it isn’t just me who has explained that countless times — Putin himself has done so repeatedly. So he knows the implications very well.
And the “cordon sanitaire” comment of 10 kiloton airbursts at international border travel nodes… Yeah, OK. Someone’s not well. No one should listen to such calls for WWIII boardgame flipping childishness.
Posted by: titmouse | Aug 8 2023 3:49 utc | 382
Ground bursts, not air bursts. You want the area as radioactive as possible for as long as possible. That is the whole point of sealing the entry points.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 8 2023 13:01 utc | 408
To: L4d8r1t | Aug 6 2023 6:40 utc | 111 from thread 185
“Lira is a distortion in the net. A noise for disruption. The irrelevant information that makes the people deride their thoughts from the important questions.”
Lira is about free speach and nothing is more important. If free speach in Ukraine is not existing, then why are we (in the West) supporting Ukraine with our hard earned tax money!!!
“R, B, J, and fatty M are immoral entities who live from your addiction to porn. No real job. No real life.
A disaster.”
What have you contributed?! What is your real job?
What a L00s3r.
Posted by: C | Aug 8 2023 13:02 utc | 409
Posted by: libegafra | Aug 8 2023 12:45 utc | 405
From your lips to God’s ears!
Since 18 months i am reading and hearing
„…useless tricks which will change nothing on the front, nor for the outcome of the SMO.“
Himars, Stingers, Javelins,….now Scalps, Taurus,….
they didnt change anything only more death russians and destroyed infrastructure but who cares its only useless tricks
Let’s wait for the next useless tricks from western tricks partners
We ve time slow & soft only support these useless tricks
Hey btw the most useless trick was Minsk 2….
Posted by: SlowSoft | Aug 8 2023 13:04 utc | 410
Posted by: SlowSoft | Aug 8 2023 12:25 utc | 402
>but meanwhile vlads western partners creating facts!
The only facts they’re creating is that NATO is too weak to take Russia head on and their weapons are sub-par.
>5. Today Ukros received Scalp long range rockets from putins
>Western partners.
>6. Tomorrow Ukros will receive Taurus long range range rockets
>from vlads western partner Germany
A few million dollars a missile to do what really?
Make a hole in a bridge nobody uses, that’s what.
>French, Germany, British, US missiles will kill Russian people, Russian soldiers, destroys Russian infrastructure,…..
This may come as a surprise to you, but people die in war. It’s unavoidable.
>What will be Chessmaster answer?
same as before: Take another chunk of NATO occupied land until there’s nothing left.
>Few kinzhals against empty warehouses?
Empty warehouses don’t make mushroom clouds when they’re hit.
>Does really anybody believe that such a weak and unsure chessmaster will impress western partners or even rest of world?
Unlike every single western leader in the past 50 years, Putin has won every single war he fought.
Why would it be different this time round?
>Now my cover is blown.
Trust me, nobody gives a shit who you are.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2023 13:07 utc | 411
A few million dollars a missile to do what really?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2023 13:07 utc | 412
Multiple Russian generals were killed by those.
But again, this is the minor issue here.
The gigantic real problem is that never in history has a nuclear power acquiesced to having cruise missiles flying its way. Because, again, for the 12543556536th time, you don’t know what warheads those carry until they explode, and if you accept the first few salvos, eventually you will get a nuclear attack to which you will not respond properly because your strategic defenses will have been dulled.
BTW, notice how the size of the Storm Shadow salvos is growing. It used to be that they launched one or two. Now it is a dozen at a time.
That will grow. Eventually they will start launching them at pre-war Russia (of course Crimea already is pre-war Russia, but at least there are not strategic command and control centers there).
Same thing with drones — you can put fairly large nukes on drones, and it won’t matter all that much whether the drones get landed by EW and AD if they still explode.
Slowly, slowly boiling the frog to death…
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 8 2023 13:13 utc | 412
Unlike every single western leader in the past 50 years, Putin has won every single war he fought.
Why would it be different this time round?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2023 13:07 utc | 412
The US still occupies a third of Syria, with another 10% in Turkey’s hands.
Great win that is.
Why would it be different this time round?
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 8 2023 13:14 utc | 413
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 8 2023 13:01 utc | 409
You’re not only proposing to ‘crack a nut with a sledgehammer’, your proposing to place that nut on the head of future generations of children before hitting it with a sledgehammer.
Your mendacious proposal is an order of 50,000,000 times worse than the preposterous violence outlined above.
Proposed without the charm of your Russian knowledge it is standalone bat-shit crazy. It’s won you the admiration of the pro Nazi, anti Putin Russophobes who troll this site, which tells us everything about what is intended by your posts here. You’re busted. Zero credibility.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 8 2023 13:15 utc | 414
Posts that reference a specific commenter and characterize them as “trolls” without looking at their arguments disappoint me.
Let’s look at the argument of a certain poster, or kind of poster, not to single out anyone:
(If I understand correctly)
Russia’s prosecution of this military operation, war, whatever you want to call it, is flawed insofar as it is not escalating or responding in kind to provocations by the puppet masters of Ukraine. Russia is also probably infested with traitors who value their personal economic interests above the patriotic duty of Russians to win the war by any means.
Let’s dispense first of all with any notion that Ukraine has any autonomy or agency. That horse left the barn a long time ago, probably in 2014.
It follows from that premise that Russia is at war with NATO/Western countries, not Ukraine per se.
Second, I am sympathetic to this argument. It is particularly mystifying to me why unmanned air drones have not been shot down over the Black Sea, save one incident where a clever way of taking it down without wasting a missile was used.
There is value in putting your adversary off balance. Sure, the NATO crowd would whine and pout, but destroying equipment is a lot safer than killing actual soldiers or airmen.
Chance of escalatory rhetoric – high. Chance of actual military escalation – low.
I once mused that maybe dropping a low-grade nuke on Kiev would actually save lives. Probably not the best argument, but there is math that could support it. Ukraine has lost 43k men in the doomed spring/summer/fall counteroffensive, alone. If a low-grade nuke killed only 40k, including a lot of non-Ukrainians infesting Kiev with their grift rackets, and resulted in a peaceful surrender, it could be worth it.
Where I now recognize that argument falls down is that there is a larger picture. What is the only country to have used nuclear weapons to kill civilians? The US. Looking at this from the perspective of the rest of the world (non-anglo,) Russia does have an advantage that would be lost if they resorted to the same tactic.
The other thing that reason suggests is that the greatest weakness of the west is its focus on materialism and greed. Russia is exploiting this by keeping the conflict at a certain level. The average man in the street in Cleveland or DesMoines is perhaps willing to fly a stupid flag on their lawn, but not willing to go die for Zelensky. A headline like “300 soldiers killed in Russian attack on USS Freedumb (name of ship made up for poetic purpose) might change that calculus.
Then there is America’s track record in fighting foreign proxy wars. After several years, they tend to lose interest, and pull out. History suggests the same outcome for the project Ukraine, unless some serious escalatory actions happen.
I am not necessarily agreeing with this argument, just putting it out there.
As for the “traitors” in the ranks, I have no doubt that some of that exists. Some of it exists also in the US, as far as there are lots of defense companies that put their profits over national security.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 8 2023 13:24 utc | 415
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 8 2023 13:01 utc | 409
The only serious downside is that acting seriously will untie the hands of the lunatics in the US to use nukes around the world to deal with regimes they don’t like and Russia will have to actively defend those. That is a serious downside, and it would be good if it can be avoided.
That is the very reason Putin has not escalated as quickly as you desire.
I’m sure there’s a scenario somewhere along the escalation chain for that, but things have not yet gone that far, and leaving that option for last allows Putin to retain escalation dominance.
It’s important to always have the last word in escalation dominance.
Why?
It’s like a game of cards: You want to be the one left with cards to play long after your opponent is left holding duds.
You want to be the one left with gas in the tank long after your opponent runs out of it. That leaves you in a position to accept his surrender.
You do not want to go from “0 to Mutual Suicide” in a blink and skip all the possibilities to win more effectively along the way
For someone who professes concern about Russian civilians you seem very supportive of actions which could cause their deaths in the millions.
But we are now at the point where the Kremlin has agreed on long-range cruise missiles being lobbed against it,
This is a figment of your imagination. The Kremlin has agreed to no such thing.
And not a single long-range missile has yet been lobbed against the Kremlin.
the downsides of which vastly outweigh the downsides of breaking the nuclear taboo.
The M.A.D. doctrine is still in effect. Once those missiles become a reality, I am sure Putin will escalate from “mild roast” to “charcoal brew” in 5 minutes. There has still not been a conventional attack on the territory of the Russian Federation to date – so that nuclear tripwire has not yet been tripped.
Do you understand the concept? It is simply:
“Escalating to an extreme too early denies you all the opportunities you might have had to achieve total victory. Leaving you only with two options: Defeat or The Edge of a global Nuclear Holocaust”.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2023 13:26 utc | 416
All the talk about use a couple of small nukes is wild and too similar to how some US “strategists” conceptualize “limited nuclear war”. The comments lack a grounding in reality by assuming that the decision matrix and escalation ladder with nukes will be rational. There is no reason to assume that, quite the opposite.
If Russia used tactical nukes anywhere in Ukraine the western public would lose its shit, the irrational western leaders would have all the backing they need to respond in kind. The idea that Biden would back down after the display is possibly correct because he’s actually a weak bully, but it’s just as possible that he’s act in a rage and hear from his most trusted advisers (war criminals and incompetent neocons) that now was the time to try out limited nuclear war and that if he didn’t respond he’d be seen as weak and the US would lose all international respect (fear).
At best it’s a 50/50 chance that limited, tactical nuclear attacks would escalate to strategic nuclear war. It’s probably worse than 50/50 because both sides would be guessing at the other’s intentions and reactions. In this scenario any miscalculation can go wildly sideways in minutes.
The only way to manage the US empire at this stage of its decline is carefully. That’s ugly and inefficient, but any other option runs significant risk of the US doing something more stupid and more violent than it implements as SOP.
Posted by: Lex | Aug 8 2023 13:32 utc | 417
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2023 13:26 utc | 417
I’m pulling you away by your arm now, pulling you away from the mentally challenged bloke in every town centre who is having a psychotic episode, in this case an episode brought on by tying himself up in mental knots by saying something and trying to make it sound like something else. Out of concern for Russians he proposes to scalation which risks the death of most Russians.
Leave it Arch. He ain’t worth it.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 8 2023 13:41 utc | 418
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 8 2023 13:14 utc | 414
The US still occupies a third of Syria,
No they don’t. They “squat” on a third of it and can accomplish nothing on it.
They failed in the one goal they had: To destroy the Syrian State.
10 years of the “Greatest Superpower on Earth” trying to take down a tiny middle eastern regime’ and they can’t even do that.
Why?
Putin, that’s why.
That’s the meaning of the term “cock-blocked”.
Great win that is, Indeed.
with another 10% in Turkey’s hands.
With which they are doing nothing and which they will soon have to hand back after hundreds of Turkish military deaths and ZERO Gains!
And the worst thing? The Kurdish Problem will not have been solved by the time they hand it back.
Great win that is.
What did Uncle Sam win?
What did El Sultan win?
You know what Putin won?
He put his hand on the Syrian State and said: “While I’m here you will not pass this line and the State of Syria will not Perish”
And so it is.
Let’s recap:
1. Chechen War: Putin 1 – West 0
2. Georgian War: Putin 1 – West 0
3. Syrian War : Putin 1 – West 0
4. 1st economic war against Russia (1990 – 2022): Putin 1 – West 0
5. 2nd economic war against Russia (2022 – 2023): Putin 1 – West 0
The record is clear.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2023 13:41 utc | 419
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 8 2023 13:41 utc | 419
Leave it Arch. He ain’t worth it.
Well, you have a point.
Time for a drink …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2023 13:43 utc | 420
Multiple Russian generals were killed by those.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 8 2023 13:13 utc | 413
Outright lie.
Posted by: libegafra | Aug 8 2023 13:44 utc | 421
What is the purpose of concern trolls when they are whining and slandering, while knowing it will change nothing about what is happening in Russia and Ukraine?
Obviously to disrupt the support to Russia. Targeting Putin is giving it away. Strelkov was put in jail for trying to do just that.
Posted by: libegafra | Aug 8 2023 13:56 utc | 422
Posted by: libegafra | Aug 8 2023 13:44 utc | 422
No Russian generals have been killed by Storm Shadows? Was it HIMARS that got a couple?
Oleg Tsokov
Sergey Goryachev
There’s a wiki page out there with a list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_generals_killed_during_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 8 2023 14:15 utc | 423
Ukraine trolls are cowards who most are the MP’s wealthy kids hidden overseas so they don’t have to fight and die. Its sad that Ukraine is on its last legs. But at least a whole lot of Ukrainian prostitutes all over EU.The wives and daughters of cannon fodder.
Most EU countries are ready to send all the refugees back because they only want free stuff and are lazy and criminals.
Cant believe the EU destroyed itself for Ukraine!!!
Posted by: Peace | Aug 8 2023 14:17 utc | 424
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 8 2023 13:24 utc | 416
Interesting comment & analysis!
Thx
Posted by: SlowSoft | Aug 8 2023 14:18 utc | 425
Posted by: SlowSoft | Aug 8 2023 13:04 utc | 411
Illiterate. Obviously top of the class. Oh, wait, everybody gets a prize now.
Either you know what you are doing, or you don’t. Either way you are just stinking the place up (which must be your objective eh?)
Posted by: Marduk | Aug 8 2023 14:24 utc | 426
The TrollTeam wins on points once again for completely dominating and derailing yet another thread. Do you think they might die on the vine without the constant responses?
Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 8 2023 14:31 utc | 427
@398 “The government doesn’t actually print money, it’s actually the central bank. ”
Canada printed it’s own money till 1971 (and Canada was one of the wealthiest nations on earth, per capita, at the time) when Pierre Trudeau gave it over to the Central Bank. Him and his son have run our poor country into the ground.
Jefferson overthrew Alexander Hamilton’s America’s First National bank, the Rothchild’s got another in but Andrew Jackson closed that down around 1830. Then of course it was snuck back in on Dec. 24, 1913 to a sleepy Congress.
Kennedy wanted the guv to take back the money printing and guess where that got him?
Re: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2023 13:07 utc | 412
same as before: Take another chunk of NATO occupied land until there’s nothing left.
You are clearly labouring under a misapprehension.
Russia HAS NOT TAKEN ANY NATO Occupied Land in the last 18 months.
Posted by: Julian | Aug 8 2023 16:28 utc | 429
Cutting off the supply points with tactical nukes would not make NATO intervene, precisely the opposite, it will send a strong message to back off or else. And the vassals would get very cold feet about further participation because they would know that the next step is strategic strikes against them. But now nobody is afraid of anything, Moscow will be hit with drones daily, and the Kremlin is a laughing stock.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Aug 7 2023 21:40 utc | 341
You post some sensible opinions, but this is ridiculous. It’s beyond your apprehension. If you were a decision maker you’d destroy the world. Dr Strangelove was not stupid either, but he would destroy the world.
Posted by: RB | Aug 8 2023 17:31 utc | 430
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 8 2023 10:28 utc | 400
It doesn’t change what I said. The central bank is controlled by the government. Yes, in EU CB is above all governments. Still, it is controlled by Germany and France.
Individual states don’t print the money. But in the US, the government does print the money and the FED is controlled by the government, despite what people say.
Why the U.S. government have to borrow the money if it created the money? It’s a mechanism to control the supply the money, but it can be always bypassed if necessary.
Posted by: RB | Aug 8 2023 18:28 utc | 431
This place is way, way out of control. Ban, or at least rigoursly ignore the trolls. And get a grip, the rest of you. I scroll through page after page of the same maniacally repeated talking points pro and con Russia. Take a fucking break, go for a walk with your dog. Read a good novel. Listen to Beethoven or Verdi. Cook dinner.
Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Aug 8 2023 18:56 utc | 432
Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Aug 8 2023 18:56 utc | 433
«page after page of the same maniacally repeated talking points pro and con Russia.»
Most of the barflies here as I often say are discussing this conflict as if it were a football match and they were fans of one side or another, discussing every minute detail of the match, even if they cannot see and all they know of it is what the PR of either team report about it.
Without knowing much about the history, recent or not so recent, and few knowing the long standing politics of it (“intermarium”, “prometheism”, fascist nationalisms, the Mariupol Massacre, _elensky’s defining moment at the front, …) and many being delusional about the imminent collapse of the USA empire and the rise of multipolarity, when it is instead the re-appearance of the Iron Curtain.
Posted by: Blissex | Aug 8 2023 19:37 utc | 433
My impression of “shadowbanned”‘s argument is that they are typical of “adventurists”, of which there are several in the RF, even if perhaps fewer than the “opportunists” of the “neoliberal” persuasion.
Many of the arguments “shadowbanned” makes about the difficulties the RF faces are sensible: by taking control of the ukrainian government in 2014 via the ruthenian fascist militias the USA strategists have created a very big problem for the RF, right on their border, and the RF government has no good options, only difficult defensive moves (like the counter-attack called “SMO”). For this reason they are very cautious, probably too cautious as “shadowbanned” argues, but most likely they should not be as incautious as “shadowbanned” would like.
Posted by: Blissex | Aug 8 2023 19:45 utc | 434
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 7 2023 10:19 utc | 227
«whereas US has no right to be in Syria.»
Actually according to the USA and NATO the USA/NATO forces in Syria have every right to be Syria because they have been invited warmly by the government of Syria to be there, to help the syrian government fight back against the illegal invasion of Syria by Assad’s militias and the RF forces.
It is a simple trick: recognize someone, e.g. Guaido, as the legitimate government of a country, and then going to fight in that country is no longer a war of aggression but a defensive alliance against an invader.
Posted by: Blissex | Aug 8 2023 19:52 utc | 435
As to the “Taiwan Straits” discussion so far it is based on a weird misunderstanding: the UNCLOS rules on straits apply to straits that are *entirely* within the territorial waters of one or more countries, and the right of (innocent) passage applies to passing through those territorial waters, unless there is an equally convenient route that does not require entering those territorial waters.
Since the Taiwan Straits is much wider than the territorial waters of China (PRC or ROC), and wider than many seas, the UNCLOS rules on straits do not matter to the Taiwan Straits. However since they are entirely within the EEZ of China (PRC or ROC), other rules apply. But as others have noted UNCLOS is only binding on countries that agreed to it, except that there is also customary international sea law from before UNCLOS.
Otherwise we could say that the Hawaii Straits between Pearl Harbour and San Diego belong to the USA :-).
Posted by: Blissex | Aug 8 2023 21:12 utc | 436
Axiosromano
11 hours ago edited
“No. What the russians are showing is that they are advanced star trek borgs, not ultrastupid van damme type cyborgs.
The big ukroid war that is supposed to end russia instead easily kills 300 thousand, and cripples another 300 thousand, enemy troopers a year.
There are lots of russian time for pleasant parades, sun and moon science research, and lazily checking out what ever-destructive nuland “fuck the eu, now fuck africa” is cooking up these days, and creation of new profitable import substituting ventures. Borrell will by then be hiding in some ukroid forest to survive.
And sometime after 2025, russia will own ukraine for gardening, to help prevent food security risks in its over 40 allied countries.”…
🍺🍺 to Axiosromano… especially loved the last line…
China’s response to USA hemorrhaging over Pacific drill in “their” ocean was: “get used to it”.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 9 2023 2:49 utc | 437