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August 6, 2023
The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2023-186

Last week's post on Moon of Alabama:


Other issues:

Niger:

Pakistan:

NATO:

Propaganda:

A U.S. tech billionaire is financing left leaning 'western' groups who at times also opine positively on China. NYT:

Use as open (not Ukraine related) thread …

Comments

Many thanks for this
b do you never rest?

Posted by: bevin | Aug 6 2023 12:55 utc | 1

b do you never rest?
I do. But rarely.
Only four posts last week which is at least one less than I strive to write. But I had some dental work done which wasn’t very inspiring … So that’s my excuse. Next week I hope I’ll do better.

Posted by: b | Aug 6 2023 12:59 utc | 2

The last NYT link is broken. Its URL is repeated end on end.

Posted by: Brendan | Aug 6 2023 13:20 utc | 3

On Imran Khan:
Why use the military to launch a coup when the courts will do the job for you much more easily?
In India Modi tried the same thing with the Congress Party’s Rahul Gandhi, who was found guilty of the vague “crime” of accurately observing that a number of major absconding financial criminals shared the surname Modi. Gandhi – who is himself a useless and despicable dynastic twit, so no need to feel sorry for him – was sentenced to two years in prison and stripped of his parliamentary seat. Unfortunately for Modi, the sentence was suspended by the Supreme Court (which Modi has not yet fully subverted) and Gandhi’s parliamentary membership restored. Meanwhile the generally useless Indian opposition parties are making an attempt to unite ahead of next year’s elections, though so far all they’ve done is remind people why they’re even worse of a choice than Modi.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 6 2023 13:22 utc | 4

@b 2
give us the address of THAT dentist and we will take care of the problem.
So next time you won´t have to leave the house and he will come to YOU.

Posted by: AG | Aug 6 2023 13:24 utc | 5

Reposting this longer piece on the history and logic of NATO:
https://newleftreview.org/issues/ii140/articles/grey-anderson-weapon-of-power-matrix-of-management

Posted by: Ringo | Aug 6 2023 13:30 utc | 6

The Glen Diesen Chomsky interview has a slight error in the link
https://twitter.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1687482221219721216
works
Glen & Alex Mercouris with Chomsky. I look forward to finding out if Chomsky still blames Russia.

Posted by: Michael Droy | Aug 6 2023 13:41 utc | 7

Also the final link on anti-China propaganda has been double copied.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/world/europe/neville-roy-singham-china-propaganda.html
works

Posted by: Michael Droy | Aug 6 2023 13:44 utc | 8

Africa may get really interesting! Especially since Nigeria – foolishly – decided to get involved with Niger. Most likely the Americans holding a carrot on a stick in front of their eyes. Which (most likely) will result in a number of civil wars breaking out – in Nigeria. And should the rest of the African US-vassalls decide to get into Niger things will REALLY blow up in West and Central Africa! Including a few dozen or even hundred million of refugees! No idea if the US (or their “New Order”-Establishment) really wants this. The election-fraud year of 2024 isn’t that far away anymore.

Posted by: BobBob | Aug 6 2023 14:02 utc | 9

@karlof1. Fwiw I read your substack whats happening in Niger and why? I engiy your histories as its not always the victors we came we saw we conqured side. Wow just wow. Skimming upwards of 80%.
It occured to me that if your last sentance was to include words to the effect ‘and now imagine its the USA.’ This might be helpful in illuminating american policy. Most Americans w have zero problem grasping what france is doing, yet not connect the dots, as its the same model only the muricanos have a RoW one going.
Respect.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 6 2023 14:23 utc | 10

The piece on the 2024 election really got me thinking. Imagine the debate between Trump and Biden: one candidate just making things up as he goes along, the other one intensely trying to remember the name of the country he seems to be running for some kind of position in.
Those two are the best the country has to offer for its highest office? I wonder if the next election will not in future text books on the history of the United states be named as the the point where it became unavoidable to see that the age of the American empire was over.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Aug 6 2023 14:40 utc | 11

The last NYT link is broken. Its URL is repeated end on end.
Copy/Paste error, now corrected.

Posted by: b | Aug 6 2023 14:43 utc | 12

The Chomsky interview dates back to February 9th 2023.
Which explains why Chomsky has not revised his views since 🙂

Posted by: Michael Droy | Aug 6 2023 15:00 utc | 14

A C|Net article discusses some of the historical roots of PRISM and other surveillance programs:

In 1994, then-President Bill Clinton signed into law the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, or CALEA, which required telephone companies to configure their systems to perform court-authorized lawful intercepts in a standard way…
A survey of earlier litigation shows, however, that the Justice Department was able to convince courts to force companies to take steps to permit surveillance through their networks long before CALEA became law.
In 1977, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that surveillance law is a “direct command to federal courts to compel, upon request, any assistance necessary to accomplish an electronic interception.”
Other courts followed suit. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit concluded in 1979 that the Bell Telephone Company of Pennsylvania must comply with a surveillance order because it would cause only “a minimal disruption of normal operations.”

“How the U.S. forces Net firms to cooperate on surveillance”
by Declan McCullagh, C|Net, July 12, 2013
https://rb.gy/igs65 [archive.is]
Dated but still relevant. The article gives a useful overview of the history behind today’s surveillance. In addition, it explains how the federal government and the courts use pressure tactics to force compliance. Along with many other civil liberties, the Fourth Amendment is eroding as the years go by.

Posted by: HeyHeyHey | Aug 6 2023 15:04 utc | 15

I sometimes daydream about what I’d do if I somehow became a billionaire (which it must be said, I’m not taking any positive steps towards becoming). Top of the list is that I’d move to NYC and establish a new media company based on confronting warmongering disinformation from the US MMiC.
Well now I see someone else from USA has done something similar, except instead of a media organization in NYC he’s moved to China and funds a wide array of activist groups. My version was probably very unrealistic anyway even if I had enough money (which would probably need to be more like tens of billions). I’d have to rise above CIA and similar forces trying to undo me, and with no corporate ad bucks or cooperation from any part of the establishment.
So now I see someone else is doing the work, I can be content in my retirement and doing mere blogging and other activism on the side.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Aug 6 2023 15:27 utc | 16

If the RT article is the drivel I expect it to be then I am glad that I live in a country where RT is not accesible to me. All I can say then is that without the Bolsheviks there would have been no industrialized Ukraine like it was under the SSR but a country divided between 4-5 different powers. So cope, RT!

Posted by: v | Aug 6 2023 15:37 utc | 17

thanks muchly b! so much to read and cover….
i also recommend karlof1 substack article on niger from yesterday… here is a link
What’s Happening in Niger and Why?
@ Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 6 2023 13:22 utc | 4
same deal in the usa too! get rid of the competition via the courts..
@ Jörgen Hassler | Aug 6 2023 14:40 utc | 11
i think your conclusion is self evident to a number of people at this point.. end of the american empire is the obvious conclusion..

Posted by: james | Aug 6 2023 15:50 utc | 18

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/74552

🏴‍☠️⚡️🌍 Over the past half century, France has carried out 67 military coups in 26 countries of the Black Continent. 16 of them are countries where French influence is still preserved.
There is a “colonial tax” in 14 African countries that were once French colonies. Every year, France receives huge sums of money from them – about 500 billion dollars.
This includes African states that were under the yoke of France until 1958 and then gained independence.
🌍 Countries that still return colonial taxes are Benin, Burkina Faso, Guinea, Côte d’Ivoire, Mali, Niger, Senegal, Togo, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo, Equatorial Guinea and Gabon.
❗️🇷🇺🌍 This was before the presence of Russian forces, in particular the Wagner PMC. Now everything will be different.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 6 2023 16:05 utc | 19

Cutting Borrowing Costs Made Simple: End Interest Payments
https://new-wayland.com/blog/cutting-borrowing-costs-made-simple/
And then for domestic households only introduce these
https://new-wayland.com/blog/the-only-bonds-we-need-are-granny-bonds/
As HM Treasury sets the price, not The Market
https://new-wayland.com/blog/hm-treasury-sets-the-price/
We are British, we are fully sovereign and use the £. There’s absolutely no reason to treat the British as if we use the Euro. Apart from stupidity.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 6 2023 16:13 utc | 20

Yet another NYT article to register for, and yet again after which this reader comes away no more informed than before. Well-crafted sentences flow by leaving in their wake meaningless, unrememberable paragraphs.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 6 2023 16:55 utc | 21

Hi, all of You (MoAs) may be convinced of the “victory” of RF to establih their RU-Elected votes regions.
Here today, I cannot follow that – on the “scene” – either side have difficulties to further supporing their own fronts by so-called “weapons” – ebven Lancets(RF) have advantage, – UAF has very small Drones steaqdly being RF-Trenches, bur UAF has also started prcice “missile” attacks via HIMARS on fron-lines and nowadays have started to send “CLUSTER Ammunitionws” dire3ctly into Donetk City – US/CIA: Be very careful!
https://rumble.com/v353py4-massive-missile-and-guided-bombs-strikes-wagners-return.-military-summary-f.html

Posted by: spare_truth | Aug 6 2023 17:26 utc | 22

@ spare_truth | Aug 6 2023 17:26 utc | 22
i can only conclude if you are unable to read or listen clearly, you are incapable of coming to any worthwhile conclusions either..
pay attention! – see the title thread… – not ukraine..
The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2023-186

Posted by: james | Aug 6 2023 17:34 utc | 23

@ Scorpion | Aug 6 2023 16:55 utc | 21
thanks scorpion.. i don’t even bother..

Posted by: james | Aug 6 2023 17:35 utc | 24

@22 – myself
I’m hoefully being excused for some “lexi-ghacical” mis-spellings – mis-understandings” here above some mins. of some posts above.
So at 1st., I regret my publically mentioned opinion here on this MoA forum as a GERMAN Civilian.
Don’t care, I’m not whether from far-left nor from far-right.
So may target the middle aim.
The “midle aim by US deep state, Hunter, etc.” guys are working ahead in Germany and USA/EU/SWIFT as before . ..that’s ok not new for them ..
The US-like ‘war’ is to think to take that own war out-of its own “countries”.
That’s exactly will be a false calculated strategy by US/AUKUS military commanders, that do not have understood the RF PLUS China Army , to have operating against US/Canada & Alliances ..
That’s it – Biden if can speaking – or not THINK , Nuland & Blinken! –> Sink with yor boat !

Posted by: spare_truth | Aug 6 2023 17:56 utc | 25

@ spare_truth | Aug 6 2023 17:56 utc | 25
apology accepted… i recommend posting on the open ukraine thread.. how about the german green party cheering on potential ecological disasters in the black sea? that almost happened the past day or two?? got to love those warmongers under baerbocks brilliant leadership…

Posted by: james | Aug 6 2023 18:11 utc | 26

Dear Mr. Blinken ..
“What You’ve done planned as a counter-strike against the latest 4
aggresive Missile-Attacks on LA., once 4 times last week against LA ?
Would You now destroy Russian cities as well?
Blinken:
Sorry, we’ve to consider abaout the situation …

Posted by: spare_truth | Aug 6 2023 18:13 utc | 27

Posted by: james | Aug 6 2023 18:11 utc | 26
O/T but I suppose the Greens could always justify their enthusiasm on the grounds that all naval attacks are planned and resources by NATO so they were well aware, as non-combatant, of the minimal environment risk posed by the tanker attack.
They’re clever, like that.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 6 2023 18:41 utc | 28

I am moving these two responses to LoveDonbass, because this is where they belong. LoveDonbass, if you wish to respond, please respond here and not where the original discussion started. Thanks Ed.
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I suppose that it’s easy being a secular atheist. They don’t have to own up to any sins or atrocities because none of them were done in the name of anything that person believes in, because they claim not to believe in anything at all.
That’s convenient. I have found that ignorance and small-mindedness are often a solid foundation for self-righteousness.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 6 2023 5:03 utc | 105
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Gee Love, I didn’t know that you were a Muslims. Yes, during the dark ages of Christianity, the Muslim world was having a bit of a renaissance; that is why we still a version of Plato and other ancient wisdom. The Christians burned and destroyed everything that did not promote a specific form of Christianity: Roman Catholic. And in fact, the Christians killed and tortured anyone that refused to convert or accept the Roman Catholicism.
I am far from perfect, but a Christian sin is not the same as human evil and cruelty. That is why I spent the latter half of my 70 years as an opponent of imperialism, most of all US imperialism. That is why I fought to end apartheid in South Africa ( I was there when Nelson Mandela was elected President), and that is why I opposed the war in Iraq, Nicaragua, Serbia, Syria, and Libya. That is also why I oppose the US proxy war in Ukraine.
I believe in human decency and our ability to rise above the evil some people do or allow others to do. I do not belive in talking snakes and donkeys, invisible non- material beings that somehow can impregnate virgin girls. From the age 6 to 12 I lived in a Christian orphanage. I got my belly full of unbelievable nonsense. And talking about judgmental, you said this about me and other atheists: “I have found that ignorance and small-mindedness are often a solid foundation for self-righteousness,” well same to you.
Posted by: Ed | Aug 6 2023 18:24 utc | 205
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 6 2023 5:03 utc | 105
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Sorry Love, I had bad date on when the Saudis “officially” abolished slavery, it was not 1970, it was 1962. I verified that in three sources. Unofficially, it continues to this day. Old habits die slowly.
In 1962, the Saudi Arabian government issued a royal decree that officially abolished slavery in the country ️ 🇸🇦. This was part of a broader strategy of modernization and reform in the country and marked a major shift in the culture and social norms of the region. For example, the government banned the buying and selling of slaves and freed slaves from their masters.
Despite the 1962 official abolition, there are still traces of slavery in Saudi Arabia. This is due in large part to the existence of traditional cultural practices that have not been abolished. Some rural areas still depend on “bonded labor”, which is basically a form of slavery. There have been many reports of the exploitation of foreign workers. They are often treated as indentured servants and are often subjected to physical abuse and other human rights violations.
In recent years the Saudi Arabian government has taken steps to address the lingering problem of slavery in the country. In 2009, the government passed an anti-slavery law that criminalized the ownership and trading of slaves, as well as the exploitation of foreign workers. In addition, the government has launched awareness campaigns, and launched initiatives to provide education and awareness about the issue of slavery.
https://saudi.works/when-did-slavery-end-in-saudi-arabia/
Posted by: Ed | Aug 6 2023 18:37 utc | 206

Posted by: Ed | Aug 6 2023 18:56 utc | 29

Tannenhouser | Aug 6 2023 14:23 utc | 10
james | Aug 6 2023 15:50 utc | 18–
Thanks for your replies. james’s comment about the similarities between Dollar Hegemony and the African Franc’s hegemony was very good. That France’s former African colonies will finally rid themselves of the parasitic currency will deprive the Neoliberal French system of vital blood for its continuance. IMO, France has finally lost–if it goes to war to keep the Afro Franc, it will lose those nations for multiple generations to come. France will need to rearrange itself, but that can’t be accomplished with the current crew in charge. And the weakening of France contributes to the weakening of NATO and EU.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2023 18:57 utc | 30

Lazy echo-chamber posting makes Moon of Alabama into USA-libertarian talk-radio of blogging and an implicit GOP propaganda organ in it’s own right
Let’s recap the recap:
August 3 – Election 2024 – Two Legal Cases And One Winner
Related
— Pumping Trump and Hammering “Biden Crime Family”
The Ukrainian Prosecutor Joe Biden Had Fired Is Speaking Out Townhall
— Zero information on Prosecutor Slotin, Tucker Carlson GOP echo chamber, Hammering “Biden Crime Family”
Why the Hunter Biden plea fiasco will be a drag on Democrats Washington Post
— GOP echo chamber, Hammering “Biden Crime Family”
Patrick Lawrence: Reading the Mess the Democrats Have Made Scheerpost
— Hammering “Biden Crime Family”
This was Lawrence’s second polemic on Biden in same week, Sheer has got Lawrence on a treadmill.
Pls enjoy his repetitions:
https://scheerpost.com/2023/07/27/patrick-lawrence-no-the-truth-about-biden-is-not-democratic/
Sprinkle on some Russia Today and Book-end it all with Moon’s perennial boosting of Russia’s nightmare in Ukraine.
AND FOR GRINS WHY NOT JUST DUMP OLD NOAM INTO THE MIX FOR THE REASON THAT ANYTHING HE DISCUSSES WILL AGITATE REACTIONS RE THE GENERAL MALAISE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT. GOOD FOR THE GOP.
Chomsky’s polemics stand the conservatives principle of taking responsibility for one’s actions and promoting justice for all. But he is not selected here for his principles. He’s selected because his critiques of US foreign policy help the GOP (the party of Trump) tear down the Democrats.
If you’re a good Republican, you ought to cheer Chomsky’s assessment that Biden’s foreign policy is wrecking Europe to the global advantage of the U.S. for a “pittance” in U.S. costs. As to the “pittance,” I don’t follow Chomsky’s reasoning given the U.S. Ship of State blows $1 trillion / yr on its military endeavors. But he’s usually got a coherent finer point. And some people get what they pay for.

Posted by: Arrnon | Aug 6 2023 19:19 utc | 31

August 6, 1945, 78 years ago today, USA detonated an atomic bomb nicknamed “Little Boy” over Hiroshima, Japan. For interested barflies, this is the story of how Sadako Sasaki made the origami crane a prayer for peace:
https://blog.nationalgeographic.org/2015/08/28/how-paper-cranes-became-a-symbol-of-healing-in-japan/
And for interactive barflies, here’s how to fold a paper crane:
https://www.wikihow.com/Fold-a-Paper-Crane
Happy Hiroshima day!

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 6 2023 19:42 utc | 32

Any Dmitry Orlov fans, here’s a ton? Not so much of his wry humor, angrier and resigned at this point, lots of nuggets scattered throughout, his take down of Finland is worth it alone (first vid):
Ukraine is not the Enemy Dmitry Orlov
Putin isn’t a Fool The Mother of all Miscalculations Dmitry Orlov
No Sane Person Goes to War against Russia Military Textbook Ch 1 Par 1 Dmitry Orlov

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 6 2023 19:47 utc | 33

Posted by: b | Aug 6 2023 12:59 utc | 2
Do you ever track hits to the site? I know MoA has a wide reach by word of mouth but some real statistics would be interesting. I recall I came to it 7-8 years ago via a friend who first pointed me to ZH but ended up with a bit of a tin-foil hat. ZH led me here. He would go on to say “careful: MoA is a limited hangout!” (although for him now everything is suspect—even Xi and Putin are down with Count Schwabula’s WEF vampire NWO, hehe).
What I always find remarkable is how MoA reminds me of journalism when I was young. In the 70s my parents subscribed to an Australian weekly called The National Times (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_Times). It, along with the ABC’s Four Corners (which brought down the corrupt and fascist Queensland govt of Joh), were the pillars of the best investigative journalism in Australia, at a time when the Indonesians were murdering Australian reporters in East Timor. Politicians feared the Times.
What was once normal is now subversive. Power to you b. (ps. I still owe you €25 promised from the fundraising drive—I haven’t forgotten, just a bit broke)

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 6 2023 20:06 utc | 34

France has given Ukraine Storm Shadow missiles which Ukraine uses to attack Russian assets in Crimea. Is this similar to Russia giving Mali Iskander missiles so Mali can successfully attack French assets in Mali?

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 6 2023 20:57 utc | 35

@ Passerby | Aug 6 2023 20:57 utc | 35
Similar but not the same. In the former caseFrance is supporting oppression; in the latter, Russia is supporting liberation. ;

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 6 2023 21:01 utc | 36

Global Times announces the onset of ASEAN-China Week and notes
“During the main themed forum on a ‘Forward-looking ASEAN-China Comprehensive Strategic Partnership in the New Era,’ representatives of both China and ASEAN countries stressed the importance of regional peace and stability.”
The ASEAN-China relationship was recently upgraded to the level of Strategic Partnership and is reflected in ASEAN being China’s #1 trading partner for three straight years, “In the first half of 2023, trade with ASEAN countries accounted for 15.3 percent of China’s total trade, reaching 3.08 trillion yuan ($428.96 billion), up 5.4 percent from 2022.”
Lots of encouraging info within the article. Even the attempt by the Outlaw US Empire to use the Philippines as a Trojan Horse appears to be failing:

Benito Gosiaco Techico, special envoy of Philippines president to China for trade, investment and tourism, told the Global Times on Sunday that Manila is looking forward to more investment collaboration with China, particularly in the field of agriculture, information, technology, tourism, manufacturing and renewable energy.
“The prospect is definitely positive,” he added.

IMO, there’s a sense of great anticipation related to the impending merger of ASEAN/SCO/EAEU, which is dreaded by Neoliberalcons, although they continue their efforts to enlist Japan and South Korea to go against their national interests and divorce themselves from commercial prosperity.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 6 2023 21:14 utc | 37

Similar but not the same.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 6 2023 21:01 utc | 36
I agree. In the Ukraine conflict, intermediaries are used to provide plausible deniability. A more correct analogon would then be if Russia were to sell weapons – say, Iskander missiles – to a neighboring country of Mali first.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 6 2023 21:19 utc | 38

Now it’s Niger. Of course, it’s always the Usual Suspects. Haven’t heard much about Sudan lately, but honestly haven’t looked. Been a little busy on my place. The work never ends when you have property, and neither do the taxes, fees, regulations, fines, and general interference. Cheers everyone!

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 6 2023 21:40 utc | 39

Teating

Posted by: Ed | Aug 6 2023 22:22 utc | 40

@ v 17
You waste our time with your ignorance, and you’re proud to post when you admit you haven’t even read the item you criticize. Please don’t do that again. You “pushed on an open door” blaming the Ukraine mess on the Bolsheviks, because that’s exactly what the RT article did, just like you, but with -Gasp!- actual facts.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Aug 6 2023 22:30 utc | 41

re Niger, I reckon FukUS won’t go for a full on conflict as not only will it be difficult to put together a large enough force of well equipped & trained proxy fighters the risk of a conflict is that just as one can be won, it can also be lost.
The next move is gonna be the usual terror attacks in large communities pressuring Niger from seemingly the side that FukUS was ‘helping’ Niger to put down (what a joke given that most of the time the terrorists are FukUS directed and funded), the other side will be a consolidation of ‘civilian’ francophile groups in West Africa who will stage protests etc complete with signs conveniently in english, despite few in the joint speaking or understanding that lingo, demanding the restoration of ‘democracy’ & ties with France.
Whilst that is going on french & amerikan intelligence agencies will be comparing notes they will have made on every officer in Niger’s military, looking for someone of mid-level to senior rank in the provisional military government who they consider to be corruptible.
At the same time Niger is likely to try and plant a double or two on these creeps so they can stage a drama similar to the farcical ‘coup’ amerika tried to get up in Venezuela – a very risky job for anyone who agrees to do it.
Mostly though we will see al queda, ISIS/Daesh & the rest who amerika claims to be keeping down in the Sahel becoming resurgent and bombing markets etc in Niger, Burkina Faso & Mali while amerika via that bastion of truth honesty and the amerikan way, the cia announces that they are doing the best they can to keep islamic terrorism in the Sahel down but now that those three nations are no longer assisting the task just isn’t possible blah, blah, blah. Given that the Nigeriens etc which FukUS was actually trying to suppress were groups whose aims are virtually identical to those of the new Niger leadership, the end of imperialism, we can be sure that there will be several of those former ‘terrorists’ in the new administration who will have a very good knowledge of where the FukUS controlled terrorists are, who they are & how many, it is possible to see the FukUS pushback failing like a lead balloon. Ha ha ha.
That is where the musicians could come in handy, Wagner forces clearing out any faux terror camps FukUS have planted out there, without causing inconvenience to the locals, something we know FukUS forces to be incapable of achieving, too many nubile young Nubian women in need of a good raping they reckon – sick fucks.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 7 2023 1:32 utc | 42

Some of us have been considering the subject of education with the help of Sylvia Ashton-Warner’s text “Teacher”, after other links being discussed on the previous open thread. The text is available online in a very easy to read format, so I will give the link to it at the end of a small sample of her writing. She was teaching an infant group of maori in her native New Zealand, after WW1, but her book wasn’t published until l963. This goes with an earlier comment of mine on the open forum that mentioned a considerable movement in children’s education at that time. Here’s that small sample – I’m still re-reading the book, enjoying it very much:

… In grown-up novels we enjoy the true conversational medium, yet fiveyear-olds for some inscrutable reason are met with the twisted idea behind “Let us play.”
As a matter of fact, Maoris seldom if ever use “let” in that particular setting. They say”We play, eh?”
These allowances of the natural dialogue preserve cadence and are no harder to learn than any other words. A little easier possibly since cadence is the natural outcome of the running conversational style, the style that is integral. Which brings me back to the consideration of reading books as an integral factor in a child’s life…

What strikes me in reading this text is the freedom of style and immediacy it imparts. One is in the schoolroom with her, and to be there is, I think, a delight.
I will have more to say once I finish the reading. What she is describing is the particular problem of bridging the gap between conversation in a maori child’s home life, and what they are being taught in the ‘pakeha’ school system. It translates for me into the difficulties education in the west at present is creating with the ‘teach to the test’ system, top down rather than bottom up — the same perversion of what education should try to be.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 7 2023 1:41 utc | 43

Here is the link to the text I described at 43:
http://arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/Teacher.pdf
Enjoy!

Posted by: juliania | Aug 7 2023 1:44 utc | 44

@ Debsisdead | Aug 7 2023 1:32 utc | 42 with the Niger follow up…thanks
You got it all including the Wagner answer to CIA terror camps in the countries/regions which could get quite interesting, eh?
I keep thinking empire is going to stop digging down but have given up knowing when the shit show will end.
That said, the “straw” that the coming BRICS+ meeting will add to the empire credibility burden around finance just may make a difference in the speed of empire decent. The first step is a clearing house for Central Banks that is not the BIS and SWIFT to deal with intra-bank transaction sets for trade imbalances that fit within a system of nations managing their currencies value against each other in coordinated development balance….real public planning at the global level like laid out by Michael Hudson recently……not private greed motivated and controlled.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 7 2023 2:45 utc | 45

thank you so much b! hope your dental thing is all healed up. you don’t ever need an excuse xxx

Posted by: annie | Aug 7 2023 2:56 utc | 46

About news from Niger and Nigeria, cite from Daily News:
Northern Senators Forum on Friday cautioned ECOWAS against the use of military force in restoring democracy in Niger Republic.
The senators, under the leadership of Senator Abdul Ahmad Ningi (Bauchi), called for political and diplomatic means to restore democratic government in that country
The forum, in a statement by its spokesperson, Suleiman A. Kawu Sumaila, cautioned that military force would cause the death of many innocent citizens in Niger Republic and seven Nigerian States that share a border with Niger.
“We take exception to the use of military force until other avenues as mentioned are exhausted as the consequences will be casualties among the innocent citizens who go about their daily business”, the statement added.
Also, the National President of the Arewa Youth Consultative Forum, AYCF, Alhaji Yerima Shettima told DAILY POST on Saturday that any attempt to embark on military intervention in Niger would have a direct effect on Northerners.
He urged President Tinubu and the Senate to ensure that all diplomatic means have been exhausted before embarking on military action against the Niger junta.
He said, “In the first place, we have not even exhausted all the necessary tools before arriving at the conclusion that we need to go for war.
“The decision is coming in a haste. I don’t think Nigeria is prepared to go to war now. Don’t forget that we have serious internal issues that are already threatening our existence.
“Don’t forget that if war should break out from Niger, the North will be directly affected. I don’t understand why we are taking Panadol for somebody’s headaches. Citizens of Niger are jubilating over the coup and we are here carrying another man’s cross on our head.
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As I wrote before, there is no ethnic division between Niger and Nigeria, and we are talking about the largest ethnicity of Nigeria, Hausa+Fulani and a major ethnicity, Kanuri (dominant in NE of Nigeria), so they know instantly if people of Niger are against the coup or jubilant, e.g. listening to the radio in local language. Given huge weight of northern parliamentarians, and realism about democracy and military rule (both can be corrupt, party systems can fail, Western pressure makes no account of the local sentiments), I foresee some compromise within weeks. The reluctance of Nigeria and the specter of Wagner group becoming a force in Niger, while the pain of economic sanctions imposed on Niger should induce a promise of elections with a brief delay (less than a year?) and withdrawal of sanctions. But it can go quite wrong too….

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 7 2023 3:07 utc | 47

Could anyone provide an eng transcript translation of the recent Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin interview? online search is no help to me so far.
He answers the accusations, sheds light on the Burisma investigation and speaks candidly about his dismissal. video ref https://t.me/s/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/29828
Thanks

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Aug 7 2023 3:19 utc | 48

Another essay in the vein of Aurelien and Gaius’ two explorations, from a metaphysical point of view.
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The Modern Metaphysical Roots of the New Technocratic World
…my point in this essay has been to focus on the mechanistic metaphysical pole of the bifurcated modern self. That other pole, as I have said, is the one of reason no longer simply studying nature’s determinations but conjuring ideas which provide legitimation for political and social authority. This pole is even more destructive of liberties than the technocratic, for those who insist that their authority is based upon the moral or ethical values that give them authority in deciding what we may or may not do invariably, originally in communist and fascist and now in liberal democratic regimes, attack any who question their decisions and policy priorities.
The ruling political class and the class that devotes itself to the accumulation of scientific knowledge form a bond in which the authority of the one class facilitates the authority of the other. The politics corrupts the science, and the science corrupts the politics. Together they make a world far more frightening than any produced by an evil genius. Together, they dissolve the soul into a bifurcation of machine and empty abstraction, in which the spirit of tradition and place are also rendered of no importance unless they serve the larger narrational purpose of an identity to be inserted into the design. In that design machine and norms are magically revived and unified. What has been lost in the transmutation is the soul.
Frankenstein’s Monsters is what we are in danger of becoming as we are but machines with ideals that dictate our identity—for anyone who is black, a woman, a gay, etc., who deviates from the script of what that identity should be is no longer defined by their identity marks, but by their betrayal of the essence and the narrative that has been dictated to those who have that essence by their political saviors. This is the rational moral faith that dictates how we should be in our world of pleasure and material satiation delivered by the world as a great calculative resource. It is the faith that has enabled the globalist progressivist view of life in which all the resources of the planet are to be managed and all traditions to be rendered redundant.
The world is an occasion for the profit and pleasure of those who are able to preside over the technocratic forces that do their bidding. Nietzsche had used the phrase “God is dead,” and Heidegger “the gods have fled.” But the living God never dies, and humans always find gods to serve. The god of one’s own identity is though one of the most pitiful that has ever been conjured. Descartes would, I think, have been horrified to see how thoughtless the new thinking subject is, and how infantile the world it is making has become.

https://www.thepostil.com/what-conspiracy-on-the-nefarious-purpose-means-and-ideas-of-globalist-imperialism-part-3/

Posted by: suzan | Aug 7 2023 3:38 utc | 49

Posted by: b | Aug 6 2023 12:59 utc | 2
I hope not a root canal. I’ve been dreading my inevitable one due to a cap on a molar for years…and I’m just now feeling some deep, suspicious pain right on that exact spot. My dentist cousin says it’s virtually inevitable when talking caps on molars.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 7 2023 4:13 utc | 50

That NYT link here on archive: https://archive.li/OWqdS
Makes WEF sense: winter capital in Davos, summer capital in Tianjin.

Posted by: Antonym | Aug 7 2023 4:31 utc | 51

RFK Jr’s Zionist hasbara outdoes AIPAC, JDL, Likud, and ZUSA neocons on Israeli historical revisionism. Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate dismantle RFK’s lies about occupied Palestine, with Blumenthal charging that every sentence of RFK’s statements on a recent Jimmy Dore show is a lie. “Even the punctuation, every comma and period is a lie”.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aBnKYzBH2aI
At the epicenter of decades of imperial wars, RFK’s profound level of ignorance of Israel’s criminal history is stunning. Rank dishonesty is more plausible –earning his 30 shekels of silver, further proof of Zionist-occupied USG. What a disgrace, an absolute deal-breaker for me.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Aug 7 2023 4:31 utc | 52

Regarding the huge floodings south of Beijing last week: it was not the local rain from the typhoon that raised water levels 12m (!!) in some places. Opening of water reservoirs on order of CCP top to “save” Beijing, its big airport and its new low lying capital city Xiong’An project did it. Still the “Forbidden city” flooded a bit for the first time in 400 years – a bad omen in Chinese eyes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-NHCTyR6PI

Posted by: Antonym | Aug 7 2023 4:39 utc | 53

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Aug 7 2023 4:31 utc | 52
thanks for the link. i think he’s dishonest.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 7 2023 4:40 utc | 54

From the link Posted by: suzan | Aug 7 2023 3:38 utc | 49:
“The ruling political class and the class that devotes itself to the accumulation of scientific knowledge form a bond in which the authority of the one class facilitates the authority of the other. The politics corrupts the science, and the science corrupts the politics.”
Stop right there! I’ll grant the existence of the two groups but they are not classes.
Science is a process, a method. It cannot be reified.
Only some of the group who gather scientific knowledge form a bond with the ruling political group!
It’s those who facilitate the authority of the political ruling group, and I agree they are frightening.
There are honest scientists developing ever increasing knowledge about our existence. If and when a better method than science comes along it should be adopted. Until then guessing about things we don’t understand is not a reliable path. Gods and soul are guesses.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 7 2023 4:42 utc | 55

Regarding Blumenthal: agree 90% with him, but not on the 10% Israel bashing. It is a must in Left circles, everyone knows.
When are we going to hear Max wax on the lack of women’s or gay rights in any nation surrounding Israel? Waiting for Godot. As a Jew he has to prove his credentials to Western Left, but being as hypocritical as them doesn’t make him stand out from the crowd.
Can there be a mini nation run by Jews? Let them prove / disprove how great their Old Testamental stuff is by giving them a little room. For Islam and Christianity dozens of nations have the set up. Their old temple was there way before Mohammed had a dream, even before Jewish Jesus walked around.
Why didn’t the many Arab nations allow permanent citizenship to fellow Palestinians?

Posted by: Antonym | Aug 7 2023 4:55 utc | 56

@ suzan | Aug 7 2023 3:38 utc | 49
thanks suzan…i will try to find time to read it.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Aug 7 2023 5:16 utc | 57

Only the Dead Have Seen the End of War (Lyrics)
The prophet has told us that his truth will set us free
He is the blind messiah who cannot find
His way or see the forest for the trees
Even the one who saw the light could not foresee
Shields held high the armies moved on and on
To the next land that to bloodshed was sworn
Oh father – heed us in the time of great need
Remember our prayers and our virtuous deeds
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Make him the prophet, the martyr – pass him the disease
Shut are the eyes of the one bringing us to our knees
The prophet enlightened now covered by night
It serves an example rather blind than having the sight
Let us burn this scapegoat and gather our might
Let this messiah now die, thus ending our plight
Remember the warnings you gave to no end
And the mask that you wore to disguise as a friend
Gone is the savior, no more you pretend
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Evening falls upon us and the future is dim
So the only thing that will save us is to kill him!

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 7 2023 6:59 utc | 58

Posted by: JessDTruth | Aug 6 2023 22:30 utc | 41
Read it again, idiot!

Posted by: v | Aug 7 2023 7:41 utc | 59

Posted by: suzan | Aug 7 2023 3:38 utc | 49
Another essay in the vein of Aurelien and Gaius’ two explorations, from a metaphysical point of view.
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I think this one goes deeper than the other two but I found myself lost in too many subterranean passages therein and plan to revisit it during an hour with zero distractions.
Here is a recent dialogue between life-science biologists and a philosopher (Iain McGilchrist) which parallels similar discussions about the deeper nature of societal fundamentals in the other pieces already referenced.
In terms of the latter (society) you have the hard elements of systems and structures linked somehow – but vitally – to the soft elements of culture, to the experienced life of families and peoples’ personal experience of their life journey from cradle to grave. Here they are wondering out loud how biological forms form themselves. For example, during gestation the body is creating 500,000 brain cells per minute apparently (is that true?!): how does the mechanism, whatever it is, know where each particular element in that enormously complex system goes, and not only where it goes but how it is, since they are not all exactly the same?
So there are field theories emerging in biological study as well to explain this. Ultimately this goes down to quantum science’s ‘is it a particle or a wave’ conundrum since in materialist mentality it is not possible for the same thing to be both. A particle has a clear shape which can be measured and seen (from six directions) with a front, back, top, bottom and sides etc. each perspective providing slightly different particulars such that the entire independent form can be perceived, be it a flower, a book or a bunny rabbit. A wave doesn’t have such boundaries but is some sort of something in relations with millions of other somethings, none of which can be uniquely, separately identified as somethings, so it’s more like an invisible wind, or a visible cloud made of invisible somethings.
In other words, even in science the ability to define all aspects of reality as only physical is running out of road. The recent shift seems to be that now scientists are more willing to entertain the possibility that materialism doesn’t answer all questions or explain all phenomena whereas before they were generally scornful or hostile to the proposition, usually coming down on the side of ‘we haven’t explained it physically yet, but some day we will be able to do so.’
In terms of politics and such, I think we will gradually return to a norm that values the softer and more cultural sides rather than the system sides alone, and this means that the compositional style of ideas, of how elegant or shapely they are, the artistry of the construct, will be deemed worth of more attention. When the Kogi tribe undertake a large land remediation project their trained masters first meditate in darkness for about six hours forming the intention and visualization of what processes are about to unfold, then they bury talismans in key areas revealed to them by their methods and then they start planting or altering water flows with dams or whatever. They explain it simply as being the same as house-building: in order to build a good house, first you need to make a good plan, no? So you start with the idea and the Kogi say that the entire physical world we experience begins on an idea level (though no doubt not the sort of ego-generated ideas thrown up by typical discursive individual mind-streams).
The past century has seen us all emphasize utilitarian priorities in the process dehumanizing our cultures to the point that we are dissolving into a collective, neurotic mess.
This too will pass.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 7 2023 12:49 utc | 60

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Aug 7 2023 4:31 utc | 52
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aBnKYzBH2aI
At the epicenter of decades of imperial wars, RFK’s profound level of ignorance of Israel’s criminal history is stunning. Rank dishonesty is more plausible –earning his 30 shekels of silver, further proof of Zionist-occupied USG. What a disgrace, an absolute deal-breaker for me.
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Apparently it was only a few years ago that he began to question the official explanations of his uncle’s and father’s assassinations. He openly accuses the CIA-FBI complex of arranging those events but perhaps is not willing to tie in the Mossad’s involvement which in turn would expose the ‘Kennedy Democrat’ vision as being somewhat childishly naive viz who is really calling the shots in all Western nation states these days. This means that Kennedy is hell-bent on restoring the republic to a pristine state that not only did it never have, but can never have given its foundations were at least in part laid by the same banking cartel influences that are at the root of all problems today.
But I don’t find this a deal-breaker per se. We live in a polity held together mainly by deception. There is no clear, pure view when wading through the slime and muck of the Deep State swamp. Does he have his core intentions pointed in the right direction? Seems like it, more or less. So on the Dem side, he’s as good as it gets. Similarly, on the R side, maybe Trump is as good as it can get at this point given that he is clearly aligned against the RINO’s so giving the bulk of republican voters a way to ‘take their party back’ from the corporate-lackey grandees who now control it. Both Parties are identical that way so anyone running from within those Parties is going to be both flawed and tainted by association. If they make it through the nomination and later election, they are already seriously damaged goods.
I personally think it is now too late and it would be better to acknowledge that the first republic is no more, to call a spade a spade. This would necessitate a re-think and either we go into a fascist technocracy openly and willingly or pull back from the brink. But the west has largely lost the institutional integrity needed to facilitate such a broad, multi-faceted and subtle conversation. We eliminated an open, accessible upper class and replaced it with an opaque, unaccountable oligarchy making such collective conversations now impossible – indeed they are now getting nipped in the bud by censorship all the time on social media. Most likely we will have to wait until they self-destruct though if so no doubt hundreds of millions will die prematurely in the process.
I think this holding onto old, no longer extant or realizable paradigms (like ‘making america great again’ or ‘Kennedy Democracy’ with men going back wearing thin ties) is too nostalgic to provide the sort of heavy lift reformation that Western society needs, though again most likely we will get some sort of collapse first, which although painful and indeed tragic, is the only way a fresh start can gradually get under way. But I sure hope am wrong.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 7 2023 13:19 utc | 61

Hints of heavy lift reformation coming from Trump. Very interesting 10 minute video involving Trump, Queen Elizabeth, Biden being President of a bankrupt corporation called USA and a move to restore the republic and dissolve the corporation. QAnon 2.0 or a real hint of a viable, paradigm-changing strategy?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/must-watch-pres-trump-amplifies-dr-jan-halper/

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 7 2023 14:06 utc | 62

@Lavrov’s Dog #48:

Could anyone provide an eng transcript translation of the recent Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin interview? online search is no help to me so far.

You can watch the interview with English subtitles here.

Posted by: S | Aug 7 2023 14:24 utc | 63

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 7 2023 13:19 utc | 61
I agree with your take on RFKjr. I see him as a wrecking ball against the DNC. I’ll probably vote for him in the Dem primary and then Cornell West in the general.
BTW I love your description of the New York Times @21. “Well crafted sentences flow by leaving in their wake meaningless unremarkable paragraphs.” I no longer need the Times to tell me what the ruling class is up to so I cancelled my digital subscription three months ago but they keep billing me $17 a month and I can’t convince them to stop so I have to cancel the credit card they are billing.

Posted by: Chas | Aug 7 2023 14:36 utc | 64

Posted by: Chas | Aug 7 2023 14:36 utc | 64
Thxs for kind words. I started looking askance at the NYT – and all mainstream quality journalism – shortly after 9/11. From the first week the whole business with Building 7 just didn’t work for me. Then came the entirely bogus war murdering and/or displacing millions of Iraqis. Another bridge too far. But finally when I read Unz’s seminal essay on American meritocracy years later in 2012, that was it because it demonstrated, in Unz’s typical painstaking detail, just how systemic and pervasive corruption in the US is, because of course what was going on in Harvard is echoed elsewhere and what they are doing is embedded within everything going on in the US’s upper classes, opaque and occluded as they are. Nowadays I rarely open a NYT link unless it feels like it’s about something new and important which might reveal the next major mainstream deception in play.
Also, I find it especially irritating that their writing still tends to better that of most other similar publications such that the sentences are indeed usually a pleasure to read. But the meaning is always fuzzy – because the NYT is always dissembling and deceiving albeit always in a smooth, elegant way. It’s like looking at the world through somebody’s else’s expensive prescription lenses – never clear, never right!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 7 2023 15:07 utc | 65

Below is a posting title and sub from Reuters that continues to entertain
Exclusive: North Korean hackers breached top Russian missile maker

An elite group of North Korean hackers secretly breached computer networks at a major Russian missile developer for at least five months last year, according to technical evidence reviewed by Reuters and analysis by security….

LOL! Exclusive is a trigger to me like “essential” is to oils

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 7 2023 16:38 utc | 66

For now it seems that France together with its colonial proxies like Senegal, Ivory Coast led by ex-IMF agent and supreme sell out Ouattara that got his post after the French abducted his predecessor Gbago and jailed him at the European kangaroo court called the ICC; Togo and Gabon are the only ones that will attempt to save the French colonial interests. The American might be going for another Indochina scenario where the French get kicked out and the American retain or increase their influence. For now it looks like they won’t put any significant effort into ousting the new Nigerien rulers if they can keep their drone base unobstructed.
I wonder what France has to offer now and in the long run to its participating proxies given that it never seized to siphon off their natural riches. France is broke. If it weren’t for its colonies and all its neo colonial levers and straps it has around these (ex-)colonies it would be like Greece. Even if it manages to evict the new Nigerien rulers, the post intervention phase will still be very costly for France and the few will crumbs it’s now paying for its natural riches like uranium will need to increase or it would backfire manifold very soon.
Hence it entices the Nigerian neighbor to go to war on its behest. Tinibu is a southerner. There is a lot of resentment in the south against northerners, the Fulani herdsmen. I don’t see any reason why the (Hausa and Fulani) northerners would want to die for this sell out, with many of these people also living in Niger. The more hardship is brought onto Niger, the more troubles will come to Nigeria. Bola Tinibu should stick to Nigeria’s problems (Boko Haram in the north east, Igbo secessionists in the south east, call’s for sessions in the south west, …) instead of incurring new problems at the behest of other (hostile (remember the French role in Biafra) nations.

Posted by: xor | Aug 7 2023 18:24 utc | 67

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 6 2023 20:06 utc | 34
«He would go on to say “careful: MoA is a limited hangout!” (although for him now everything is suspect—even Xi and Putin are down with Covunt Schwabula’s WEF vampire NWO, hehe).»
But indeed “everything is suspect”: almost all we think we know is actually hearsay (“gossip”) even if received from books, never mind news media, Many vested interests spend big amounts to ensure that hearsay beneficial to them travels wide and fast, and their spending power can compromise a lot more than some people optimistically suspect.
We can attempt to check hearsay for plausibility by comparing and contrasting versions from different interest groups, and using the old role that something said by a side can be used only against that side’s claims, unless confirmed by an opposing side (and “opposing” is often a difficult concept).
Conspiracy theories are often right, because every side tries to conspire to acquire unfair advantages, the problem with conspiracies is not that they don’t exist, but there are so many that they often interfere with each other, and their effect is blunted, and most are poorly executed. Think of “office politics” as an analogy.
Some of my usual quotes:
George Orwell “Looking Back on the Spanish War”, June 1943
«Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie.
I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as the heroes of imaginary victories; and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building emotional superstructures over events that had never happened. I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various ‘party lines’»George Orwell “Looking Back on the Spanish War”, June 1943
«Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. […] and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building emotional superstructures over events that had never happened. I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various ‘party lines’»
http://thesaker.is/book-excerpt-how-i-became-a-kremlin-troll-by-the-saker/
“my military career took me from a basic training in electronic warfare, to a special unit of linguists for the General Staff of the Swiss military, to becoming a military analyst for the strategic intelligence service of Switzerland. […] By the time the war against the Serbian nation in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo broke out, I was in a unique situation: all day long I could read classified UNPROFOR and military reports about what was taking place in that region […] I was horrified to see that literally everything the media was saying was a total lie.”http://thesaker.is/book-excerpt-how-i-became-a-kremlin-troll-by-the-saker/
“my military career took me from a basic training in electronic warfare, to a special unit of linguists for the General Staff of the Swiss military, to becoming a military analyst for the strategic intelligence service of Switzerland. […] By the time the war against the Serbian nation in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo broke out, I was in a unique situation: all day long I could read classified UNPROFOR and military reports about what was taking place in that region […] I was horrified to see that literally everything the media was saying was a total lie.”
Bonus quote:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/01/untruth-and-consequences/305561/
«Churchill stressed the need to keep the Allies’ plans secret. To Joseph Stalin, he said, “In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.”»

Posted by: Blissex | Aug 7 2023 18:52 utc | 68

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 7 2023 15:07 utc | 65
«But finally when I read Unz’s seminal essay on American meritocracy years later in 2012, that was it because it demonstrated, in Unz’s typical painstaking detail, just how systemic and pervasive corruption in the US is»
Ah all those american innocents that eventually start to realize what is the system like. For some, especially in the vassal states of the USA, USA corruption has not been news for a long time…
https://www.senate.gov/art-artifacts/historical-images/political-cartoons-caricatures/38_00392.htm
Or consider Li’l Abner cartoon’s “Senator Phogbound”

Posted by: Blissex | Aug 7 2023 19:03 utc | 69

Blissex @ 68
Orwell turned out to be a limited hangout.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 7 2023 19:43 utc | 70

Blissex @ 68
Orwell turned out to be a limited hangout.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 7 2023 19:47 utc | 71

Posted by: suzan | Aug 7 2023 3:38 utc | 49
Thanks suzan, I did try to read this link. But apparently ‘modern metaphysics’ as seen from the standpoint of ‘Christendom’ doesn’t consider the eastern Christian writers, only western ones.
Secondly – up at the beginning there’s a run on sentence, in a paragraph I am unable to understand. I’d appreciate it if you could unravel it for me:

“…While it would be hard to argue against the idea that the smashing of sexual restrictions was not an important part of the call to “emancipate” children’s sexuality, one should not also neglect the fact that what was also being overthrown was the idea of the role of adults requiring taking on responsibilities demanding sacrifices. In traditional societies children become inducted into roles and the roles they take on are seen as essential to the group’s survival and well-being…”

[my bolds]
It just gets me all tangled up, sorry. What are the two ideas? (I think I’d like to argue against them, if I could figure them out.)
I do agree that it’s hard to argue against them, not knowing exactly what they are.
😉

Posted by: juliania | Aug 7 2023 19:59 utc | 72

xor | Aug 7 2023 18:24 utc | 67–
Thanks for your informational comment. Algeria has also come out for the Niger change. The Outlaw US Empire just transported 3,000 troops to the Red Sea area to get the Saudis to reconsider buying US debt, so it doesn’t have much in the way of assets for West Africa. Plus, the need to find buyers for its debt is becoming a crisis.
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There was a meeting today between Putin and the CEO of Rostec, one of Russia’s most important public utilities. I wrote an info-article that includes the translated conversation, “ROSTEC: Russia’s Giant Publicly Owned Conglomerate”. For those knowing little about Russia’s economic engines, this will open your eyes and ought to elicit a Wow!

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2023 20:05 utc | 73

my apologies if someone already posted this.
great substack overview on some of the dynamics at play in niger and africa.. worth a read..- Alex Krainer’s TrendCompass
We’ve reached the end of western colonialism

Posted by: james | Aug 7 2023 20:12 utc | 74

The other very important read today, IMO, is Crooke’s essay “The Great Unravelling: ‘For All That Is Ours, We Must Fight’”. Crooke observes that the attack against Trump is more than it appears:
“For the sake of clarity, what is being expressed here is that this indictment is part and parcel of the ongoing western ‘culture war’ – just as scientists were cancelled, dismissed from their professions and ostracised for expressing a view about mRNA science; just as views on human biology are subject now to official negation; just as ‘misgendering’ has become a potential criminal offence (hate speech), so ideological and institutional capture is being extended to the political sphere.
“This is the issue, amongst others, that is set to unravel America – and, in unravelling the U.S., will unravel Europe too.”
Where I disagree with Crooke and those he cites is the idea that the current phase of “Culture Wars” are “leftist” inspired as from the outset these fake issues were weaponized via the Establishment Narrative to keep the masses divided and more easily ruled–and they’ve been ongoing for over a century. However, I do agree that the energy being put into this current phase of dividing runs the risk of a complete severance pitting those brainwashed by the Narrative against those who aren’t. And it must be noted that the Neoliberals are the ones promoting the Narrative, which gives away the game for those able to see through the bullshit.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2023 20:48 utc | 75

Posted by: Blissex | Aug 7 2023 19:03 utc | 69
Ah all those american innocents that eventually start to realize what is the system like. For some, especially in the vassal states of the USA, USA corruption has not been news for a long time…
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Well, I grew up in England for one thing, and for another I rarely followed political news about any country or topic until the mid 90’s so it didn’t take me all that long to start asking more questions. I read Stinnett’s Day of Deceit in 2003 which was the first time I had to confront blatant lying on the part of the government involving a central fact of WWII (the infamous surprise attack not being a surprise AT ALL) after which started investigating more revisionist history and quickly learned that this lying is par for the course. But that (much later) article by Unz was the first time I read something with exhaustive detail about how systemic corruption can play out over years and also is part of ongoing current (versus old historical) reality, albeit in a very particular domain.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 7 2023 21:27 utc | 76

karlof1 | Aug 7 2023 20:48 utc | 75
I just spotted Crooke’s article at SCF, so I ambled over here before reading to see if you had already distilled it. Lo and behold! Thanks.
Indeed the “leftist” label, reflexively applied to the regressives of the formerly left-ish DP, is a nearly perfect inversion of the meaning of “leftist” or “progressive”. How can Nazi-supporting fascists possibly be called liberals or leftists? It’s like calling Obama a Marxist, notably without a peep of protest from Democrats. The deliberate purpose is to render clear political issues incomprehensibly Orwellian. That writers like Crooke fall so easily into the uncamouflaged pit, as most political analysts now do seem to do without thinking, demonstrates how successful the divisive propaganda campaign has been. Diabolically brilliant.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Aug 7 2023 21:56 utc | 77

karlof1 | Aug 7 2023 20:48 utc | 75
In the same vein, far more egregious, IMO, is RFK’s full-throated, unadulterated praise of Apartheid Israel as a shining beacon of liberal democracy and tolerance, the perennially persecuted victim beseiged by Palestinian “terrorists”. To avoid being Corbynized, I suppose he has to burnish his credentials for the deep-state gatekeepers.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Aug 7 2023 22:13 utc | 78

Warning of a forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation

We estimate a collapse of the AMOC to occur around mid-century under the current scenario of future emissions… A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) is a major concern as it is one of the most important tipping elements in Earth’s climate system

Some observers cite this recent Nature Communications paper on AMOC’s prognosis. By and large, it seems nobody much cares. Earth? Just a big ol’ sphere we spin around upon.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 7 2023 22:18 utc | 79

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 7 2023 22:18 utc | 79
About a month ago I read a couple of scattered reports about rapid rise in temperatures – extremely rapid. The speculation was that more fissures than usual were opening up.
Then a few weeks later all these stories about the AMOC current with their – nearly always entirely useless – long-term forecasts using models.
I wonder if there was something to the earlier stories. Of course if true there is nothing we can do about it, but wouldn’t it be nice to live in a world with responsible, well-informed journalism?
Alas, that world does not exist. Probably never did. Probably never will.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 7 2023 22:24 utc | 80

james@74
Thanks for the link to Alex Krainer- highly recommended.
This is how the piece ends:
“…The system of governance that has shaped western predatory imperialism is very resilient and will prove hard to kill. Regardless, killed it must be because its predatory methods aren’t only aimed at foreign colonies: this beast invariably sows mayhem abroad and misery at home. The present struggle is the struggle for all of humanity.”

Posted by: bevin | Aug 7 2023 22:27 utc | 81

@ waynorinorway | Aug 7 2023 4:42 utc | 55
I find it amusing that you, a child of a minister iirc, and i, a child of a scientist, speak out for the sanctity of each others’ familial inheritance.
I agree with you that the author is not using “class” as an historical materialist definition, more as a philosophical category. I approximate his meaning as pointing toward a scientism, not science.
One of the first talks I remember my dad having with me as a child was”: There is pure science and then there is engineering science. The two are very different.” Were he alive today — I am sure he is spinning in his grave, as the saying goes — he’d be gunning to quell scientism.
As a young person not brought up with a religion, although my parents parents were all very religious, I sensed something missing in my utilitarian secularist mileaux. I eventually stumbled into the buddhadharma for guidance. Whilst this is probably not something this particular author would embrace as it is an agnostic practice, who knows. The metaphysical examination, for some, is imo worth the journey.
@ Scorpion. Aug 7 2023 12:49 utc | 60
“…even in science the ability to define all aspects of reality as only physical is running out of road.”
“In terms of politics and such, I think we will gradually return to a norm that values the softer and more cultural sides rather than the system sides alone, and this means that the compositional style of ideas, of how elegant or shapely they are, the artistry of the construct, will be deemed worth of more attention. “
“The past century has seen us all emphasize utilitarian priorities in the process dehumanizing our cultures to the point that we are dissolving into a collective, neurotic mess.
This too will pass.”
You articulate things so well. Why should I waste people’s time more and less eloquent words? Heehee.
@ juliania what was also being overthrow was the idea of the role of adults [taking] on responsibilities [, which requires] sacrifices.
@ james. Aug 7 2023 5:16 utc | 57
Cheers my friend

Posted by: suzan | Aug 7 2023 22:38 utc | 82

Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 7 2023 4:42 utc | 55
There are honest scientists developing ever increasing knowledge about our existence.
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I’m willing to suppose you are right, but in the last few years I have come to suspect honest scientists are a rapidly dwindling breed.
Honest scientists are like honest auto mechanics or honest plumbers or honest real estate agents or honest car salesmen…
The system is organized so that one will make a much better living if one abandons their honesty.
The question is -> who is going to pay honest scientists to do their work?

Posted by: jinn | Aug 7 2023 23:03 utc | 83

Doug Hillman | Aug 7 2023 21:56 utc | 77–
Thanks for your replies. IMO, you’re misinterpreting what Crooke’s reporting and has been for quite sometime. The danger lies in the chasm that’s being created between people who agree on most everything via Narrative that Crooke explains better in his interviews than in his essays. The elite ideal is to remain in power and gain as much of it as possible. They tools they’ve employed though the ages have mostly been divide and rule devices, much more so with the onset of a literate masses and advent of quicker and greater dissemination of information not just locally but globally. I’ve written more about that at my substack where I integrated Crooke’s essay into an article, “Time to Cancel Cancel Culture”. Most important is an examination of those Crooke cites. Mac Sweeney’s book is subjective but valid historical interpretation which she might modify if she knew a bit more about a few of those she examines, like Sir Francis Bacon. Rufo’s work as described by Harrington shows a great misunderstanding of US history and the nature of post-WW2 power. The problem being both (Rufo and Harrington) think they’re correct when they couldn’t be more wrong.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2023 23:08 utc | 84

Dear Suzan:
You are an Angel.
A Goddess.
Be safe.

Posted by: L4d8r1t | Aug 7 2023 23:57 utc | 85

Also highly recommended is this essay from A Socialist in Canada (there are a few of us.)
Renfrey Clarke is a researcher and writer in Adelaide, Australia. He is the author of the 2022 book: The Catastrophe of Ukrainian Capitalism: How Privatisation Dispossessed & Impoverished the Ukrainian People.
https://socialistincanada.ca/is-russia-a-sub-imperialist-power-as-argued-by-many-western-leftists/

Posted by: bevin | Aug 8 2023 0:15 utc | 86

Thank you, karlof1 @| Aug 7 2023 23:08 utc | 84.
That might be your most important essay so far – gripping graphic and one can follow your link to Crooke’s link to Alex Krainer’s own essay about Orban’s speech. Without reading either book mentioned by Crooke, I can see and agree with your clarifications; they do both seem to miss the mark while making the points Crooke identifies. As you say, Orban is expressing traditional values. I didn’t know about the Lithuanian child protection law, but the cancellation of that is incredibly serious, and insane.
I don’t want to throw out the baby with the bathtub. Tolerance is one thing, and I agree with the traditional perspective on that, which has never condoned persecution. Privacy rights are important and I value your promotion of the Four Freedoms. But the word IS ‘freedom’. I go back to your graphic: it is chilling.
Rough waters ahead. Between the rock and the hard place.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 8 2023 0:20 utc | 87

1/ Appalling news about the treatment of Imran Khan.
2/This article by Kornilov (!) is just another of the gratuitous, unfair and hence misleading attacks on Lenin and the Bolsheviks. I sense that such attacks are a hangover from the Yeltsin era in which it was de rigeur to bash the communists.
It only matters because it gives the impression that the current use of Ukraine as a proxy for imperialism is new. It isn’t: NATO is carrying on in the course set by the German army in 1918, the Brest Litovsk negotiations and the subsequent interventions by western imperialism.
Kornilov is simply lying when he suggests that Bolshevik language policy pre-figured that of the Bandera-ites in recent years.
https://www.rt.com/russia/580730-todays-conflict-bolshevik-roots/

Posted by: bevin | Aug 8 2023 0:47 utc | 88

Posted by: suzan | Aug 7 2023 22:38 utc | 82
Thanks for your response, suzan. Here is your reformulation of the paragraph:

While it would be hard to argue against the idea that the smashing of sexual restrictions was not an important part of the call to “emancipate” children’s sexuality, one should not also neglect the fact that what was also being overthrow was the idea of the role of adults [taking] on responsibilities [, which requires] sacrifices.

You help me formulate my own. I wish the author had used simpler language,because I feel the point buried therein is a valid and important one.
Here’s how I’d rephrase:

The smashing of sexual restrictions may have been an important part of the call to “emancipate” children’s sexuality. But one should also not neglect the following: what was also being overthrown was the passage into adulthood, wherein the child takes on responsibilities that require adult-oriented sacrifices.

I hope that was the meaning of the paragraph.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 8 2023 0:49 utc | 89

“..The question is -> who is going to pay honest scientists to do their work?..” jinn@83
What is so difficult about understanding that in a society in which a small group exercises power through its monopoly over the property needed to make a living- the means of production- and employs the state to protect its power all those dependent upon either the state or the class controlling it will be inclined to discover what its employers want.
Academic life is full of the stories of those who were unable to find jobs, or make a living in their professions because they were communists or dissidents. What was true of historians or social scientists was never any less true of ‘scientists.’
Have you ever wondered why Ivan Katchanovski’s study of the Maidan Massacre was rejected by a ‘learned’ journal? Have you ever wondered why George Rude worked at a boy’s boarding school when he was writing The Crowd In History? Or Edward Thompson was teaching adult education extension classes while trying to put The Making of the English Working Class together?
And then, of course, there are those who are simply killed because they discover things which offend the capitalists- Marc Bloch for example.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 8 2023 1:01 utc | 90

Dear Angel
Do you thing that God is listening to or recoding to so must NOISE?
God Does Not have time for hubris.
HIS son said: Be Humble.
ARE YOU humble?
See your heart from inside
To listen to Augoeides you must relax your body, emotions and mind.
Be aware when a thought surges, notice, and do not follow it.
Don’t you listen to the Words of your Master when He was talking to you in a MOUNTAIN?

Posted by: L4d8r1t | Aug 8 2023 1:10 utc | 91

karlof1 | Aug 7 2023 23:08 utc | 84
Thanks, Karl. I should have actually read Crooke’s article before posting. I responded to what it seemed you were attributing to Crooke:
“Where I disagree with Crooke and those he cites is the idea that the current phase of “Culture Wars” are “leftist” inspired as from the outset these fake issues were weaponized via the Establishment Narrative to keep the masses divided and more easily ruled–..”
Now that I’ve actually read it, I see that my critique about misuse of the “leftist” label does not apply to Crooke at all here and only vaguely to those he cites. I do see the label misapplied so often, almost universally, that I was the one making a reflexive assumption about Crooke. I should’ve known better in his case. Thanks for the correction.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Aug 8 2023 1:16 utc | 92

re Imran Khan this blog of Craig Murray’s is good background.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/08/imran-khan/

Posted by: bevin | Aug 8 2023 1:39 utc | 93

Wonder why Bola Tinubus is so willing to do his masters bidding?
https://gazettengr.com/u-s-court-releases-certified-true-copies-of-bola-tinubus-drug-dealing-money-laundering-case-in-chicago/
Ibrahim Traoré may not be the next Thomas Sankara, but he’s heads and shoulders above the current crop of Western “leaders”.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 8 2023 1:39 utc | 94

@ : juliania | Aug 8 2023 0:49 utc | 89
Whilst I do not disagree with your take on the author’s meaning, cited below, I believe the author’s meaning is otherwise. I read it as: it is the responsibility of adults, not children, whom they are responsible for shepherding into adulthood, to not exploit or neglect the beautiful children, and to bring them into adulthood with grace. This requires the sacrifice of the adults of putting others before oneself.
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Julianna:
“what was also being overthrown was the passage into adulthood, wherein the child takes on responsibilities that require adult-oriented sacrifices.”

Posted by: suzan | Aug 8 2023 2:26 utc | 95

@ : juliania | Aug 8 2023 0:49 utc | 89
Whilst I do not disagree with your take on the author’s meaning, cited below, I believe the author’s meaning is otherwise. I read it as: it is the responsibility of adults, not children, whom they are responsible for shepherding into adulthood, to not exploit or neglect the beautiful children, and to bring them into adulthood with grace. This requires the sacrifice of the adults of putting others before oneself.
~~
Julianna:
“what was also being overthrown was the passage into adulthood, wherein the child takes on responsibilities that require adult-oriented sacrifices.”

Posted by: suzan | Aug 8 2023 2:26 utc | 96

Posted by: james | Aug 7 2023 20:12 utc | 74
Thanks, james! I had just read through the links karlof1 provided further down(working backward as I do catching up on posts). I was impressed by Alex Krainer’s essay on Ordoban’s latest speech, and here you are with another good one.
I like how he orients us with maps, much as b has done in describing the Ukraine situation. It really helps, especially in Africa where the various names and places have changed as countries became independent. The final segment on nuclear power was interesting also, as a parallel to what happened with oil. I live near the area in which the Navajo have been victimized, and nearby also the oil fracking becoming rampant. These power plays are most definitely causing harm to the environment. We in New Mexico see it happening.
That would be one plus RFKjr has going for him. His work on the Hudson River cleanup was what first brought him to my attention.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 8 2023 3:00 utc | 97

Posted by: suzan | Aug 8 2023 2:26 utc | 95
You may be correct, suzan; I like your version as well.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 8 2023 3:09 utc | 98

I am really dying between laughters from reading the mass of debilitating shit that this so called teachers would project over a poor mass of innocent children
Do not be surprised by the homeschooling.
Whith teachers like you, who wants to be a father
Disturbing to say the less.

Posted by: L4d8r1t | Aug 8 2023 4:19 utc | 99

Posted by: suzan | Aug 7 2023 22:38 utc | 82
You articulate things so well. Why should I waste people’s time more and less eloquent words? Heehee.
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Thxs for kind words! Feeling is mutual!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 8 2023 4:41 utc | 100