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August 1, 2023
Sanctions Are Working / Have Failed

Susan found and sent these:

Spectator, Aug 6, 2022 – Sanctions are working – whatever Putin says


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  Spectator, May 13, 2023 – Why the economic war against Russia has failed


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Similar headlines or sentiments will be found in pretty much any other 'western' magazine that still has some integrity.

The catastrophic consequences  of  sanctioning Russia without any realistic assessment of its, and one's own economies should have led to a serious clean up of all state and international bureaucracies involved in it.

Alas, we have yet to see that anyone who was involved has been punished for these horrendous mistakes.

The very same people are now involved in finding 'solutions' for the mess their shortsightedness created.

It is no wonder then that people will vote for anyone other than those in charge.

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The average person here in North America is blind and has no idea what goes on around them to notice the crimes committed by his/her ‘elected’ representatives. As long as the gas guzzler Ford F150 is running, the sports games are televised, beer is flowing and current partner is putting out; the blinders stay on.

Posted by: Saag | Aug 1 2023 6:45 utc | 1

It’s like you can almost see the light bulb popping on in b’s mind as he FINALLY figures out why AfD is now the second-most popular political party in Germany.

Posted by: Sam (in Tiraspol) | Aug 1 2023 6:59 utc | 2

All of this boils down to the worship of money and forgetting why we have it in the first place.
Exports are a real cost, imports are a real benefit. To win in International Trade you want as many things coming into your country as possible for as few sent abroad as possible.
What the geniuses forgot is that Russia doesn’t *need* to import anything to maintain its population, which means that it doesn’t *need* to export anything. Therefore oil embargoes and export bans are meaningless. Russia could pour its surplus oil into the Black Sea and it would make no difference to its internal economy.
The way to destroy the internal Russian production economy, perversely, would be to flood the Russian market with cheap imports. Much as the Chinese have done worldwide. Russia is still addicted to neoliberal economic theory (and will be until it nationalises the central bank and abandons the ineffective Western interest rate beliefs). That’s its weak spot.

Posted by: The Accountant | Aug 1 2023 7:00 utc | 3

France losing uranium from Niger can lead to some funny consequences for the EU Garden as well.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 1 2023 7:08 utc | 4

One of the unintended consequences of Western sanctions, has been that the freezing of capital outflows from Russia to the foreign coffers of oligarchs, has turned out to have multiple benefits for the Russian economy.
The breadth of financial sanctions forces the money to be re-invested elsewhere within Russia, which is leading to new investments in industry and services.
A second unexpected outcome is the like-for-like replacement of western franchises with straight copies run by the natives. The entire supply chain and stores of McDonalds and other brands are just re-branded to a Russian owner. All the commercial, supply, retail and employee infrastructure is already in place. A burgeoning, vigorous Russian-owned retail sector is the result.
The third, and most ‘surprising’ outcome, is that Russia was never just a gas station with nuclear arms. It had an educated and skilled workforce you have turned their hands to creating new or broadened industries and services.
One could argue therefore, that Russia’s old commodity-export economy acted AGAINST diversification, as has happened for a century for oil – base economies. Sanctions are beneficial to re-investment and industrial competence and confidence – if you have an able and reliable work-force.
Note that if Putin had tried to create a similar situation by imposing internal capital controls, the super-rich oligarchs would have conspired to remove him. Now the West, through sanctions, have been the catalyst that performed the transformativeeconomic miracle for him. Long may the sanctions continue (5-10 years would be nice).
Similarly the negative effect of sanctions in Europe are very apparent. the UK and Germany have both inked deals with the USA for LPG at four times the cost of Russian gas. In Germany, this is leading to rapid, deep, and probably irreversible de-industrialisation. BASF is moving all its big chemical planst to China (in total, they consumed as much energy as Denmark!) In the UK, the Government stated that we bought only 5% of our oil and gas from Russia – suggesting, wrongly, that Britain would not be affected. The fact that the UK bought gas and oil at market prices was not highlighted – during winters (especially cold winters) oil & gas prices will spike even higher, because everyone in Europe, other than Hungary, wants to buy the same scarce product.
Additionally, even in the last, mild winter, European had to subsidise energy costs to consumers, a multi-million Euro fiscal sink-hole that is not possible long-term. Coupled with ridiculous Net Zero obligations, self imposed in both the EU and UK, energy crisis are now baked into our future. Ridiculously, they are still buying Russian oil, but now via Indian oil refineries, supporting a Russian geo-political ally who profits from a lucrative middle man for these transactions.
Europe’s elites will never admit or apologise for the bait ‘n’ switch the USA played on them with the Ukraine war. They were told that the military action would be brief, and Russia would collapse because of sanctions. Instead, the conflict has been long and bloody, energy costs in Europe are now permanently destroying their competitiveness, and they have been complicit in bombing their own strategic pipelines.
Meanwhile, the US LPG exporters will make fat profits from Europe.
Beware having the US as your ally; expect worse if you are its friend.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Aug 1 2023 7:14 utc | 5

englander imperialist sites such as the spectator are always going to spread whatever propaganda they are told to. Hence the April 2022 “yale study” on Russian sanctions, that’s barely 2 months after the big sanctions (which just happened to be “look over here we prepared some earlier”‘ then before the sanctions have even properly come into effect much less long enough to draw even interim conclusions from this yale study just pop up, types who live in the global north: You should be offended, these arseholes treat you like total idjits and barely anyone said a word about that yale study or the spectator article. How do you handle living where the ruling class consider you so stupid that this nonsense will be swallowed dry – without water much less a bracing brew?
Especially since the editors of this imperialist rag are now walking it back albeit with the same cartoon to signal to the aware but without any damn reference to their previous load of old tosh because they do not believe that many of their readers will link the two even with the cartoon.
It really is time for people in the global north to put their foot down on this nonsense. Sanction the spectator.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 1 2023 7:26 utc | 6

If you sanction the Spectator, how do you monitor the thoughts of the elite?

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Aug 1 2023 7:31 utc | 7

The catastrophic consequences of sanctioning Russia without any realistic assessment of its, and one’s own economies should have led to a serious clean up of all state and international bureaucracies involved in it.

It was an experiment: cancelling one of the major economies of the world to bring about a military defeat. They were reasonably sure it was going to work but they knew it has never been tried before. Now they know. It doesn’t work. I remember all the talk about being expelled from SWIFT was nuclear. Lol! So much exaggeration about the West and its institutions.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 1 2023 7:37 utc | 8

Alas, we have yet to see that anyone who was involved has been punished for these horrendous mistakes.

Depends on what they count as mistakes. The more the European economy, in particular, is wrecked and depreciated so that it can be bought by blackrock for pocket change, and the more people sent into poverty, depression, hopelessness, sickness and early death, the better the chance of the perpetrator to rise into the ranks of the talmudic NWO crew.

Posted by: Mike | Aug 1 2023 7:41 utc | 9

@Sam (in Tiraspol)
It’s like you can almost see the light bulb popping on in b’s mind as he FINALLY figures out why AfD is now the second-most popular political party in Germany.
That light has been blinking red since Feb 2022 when the economic war started.
The archives can easily prove this:
Disarming Ukraine – Day 5 | Money War On Russia – Day 1 – Feb 28, 2022

The U.S. and its proxies in the EU and elsewhere have put up very harsh sanctions on Russia to damage its economy.
The final intent of this economic war is regime change in Russia.
The likely consequence will be regime change in many other countries.
This war is waged at a financial size that is unprecedented. The consequences in all markets will be very significant to extreme. But experience from Iran shows that such financial wars have their limits as the targeted country learns to survive. Moreover Russia is in a much stronger position than Iran ever was and is better prepared for the consequences.

Posted by: b | Aug 1 2023 7:53 utc | 10

This one is great: if you ever feel useless, remember that it took 20 years, trillions of dollars, and 4 US presidents to replace the Taliban with the Taliban.
https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/sync/D5622AQFJNxB7DXZp9Q/feedshare-shrink_2048_1536/0/1690587674687?e=1694044800&v=beta&t=VveChd3_PqFQWiHoKy4oyOgDydyquzfIT3mxqo0tDzM
Here is a breakdown of the estimated death tolls from the war:
Afghan civilians: 60,000-100,000
Afghan soldiers and police: 50,000-60,000
NATO soldiers: 3,500
Taliban fighters: 50,000-60,000
ISIS-K fighters: 10,000-15,000

Posted by: Heinz | Aug 1 2023 7:54 utc | 11

German manufacturers signal an even sharper decline in operating conditions in July, as the
@HCOB_Economics
#Germany Manufacturing #PMI drops to 38.8 (June: 40.6), its weakest in over 3 years
“>https://twitter.com/SPGlobalPMI/status/1686284935802363904

Sanctions hard at work.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 1 2023 8:03 utc | 12

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Aug 1 2023 7:14 utc | 5
A wonderful post by Sceptical. This analysis is probably the real fuel behind the construction of the multipolar world. But just a word of warning to the others: Russia has one of the most well-educated populations on Earth, so education is also the key.

Posted by: Stierlitz | Aug 1 2023 8:03 utc | 13

Re: Posted by: Sam (in Tiraspol) | Aug 1 2023 6:59 utc | 2

It’s like you can almost see the light bulb popping on in b’s mind as he FINALLY figures out why AfD is now the second-most popular political party in Germany.

I would have thought Bernhard would be a natural supporter of AfD, but I guess Der Linke is probably more his style.
The difference is, I would say “Der Linke” are the “Useful Idiots” of German politics whereas Afd are the “Real Deal”.

Posted by: Julian | Aug 1 2023 8:07 utc | 14

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Aug 1 2023 7:14 utc | 5
Very good analysis.
The point about Hungary getting to buy energy cheaper is important. That is also why I would argue that if Russia ever ends up getting a border with Hungary, it will automatically lead to the dissolution of EU and Nato (not to say that it won’t happen anyway, just through another mechanism).
Hungary can become very wealthy and independent, and with direct connection to Serbia, will lead quickly to a very powerful amidst Europe, in contrast to the poor bloc led by globohomo EU. There will be dissidence rising in neighboring states who will want to join the powerful and wealthy bloc instead of the impoverishment offered by the globohomo cabal.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 1 2023 8:10 utc | 15

Posted by: The Accountant | Aug 1 2023 7:00 utc | 3
Excellent analysis and been saying the same thing for months now.
“Russian exports fund Putin’s war” lol.
Their neoliberal thinking forces them to NOT understand money or trade. See it as a profit and loss sheet instead of an asset and liability balance sheet that allocates skills and real resources around the economy. Totally ignore what real terms of trade actually means. Wrapped up in the tax payer money myth and government is like a household myth.
They actually believe Putin has to “find” the funds as they imposed the Euro countries monetary system onto fully sovereign Russia.
Most voters are brought up on a diet of this BS.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 1 2023 8:11 utc | 16

“Washington can draw lessons from former President Kennedy’s peace speech: peace is not impracticable, and war is not inevitable. Never bring an adversary to a choice between a humiliating retreat or a nuclear war.”
That is the synopsis of my new article under the title “John F. Kennedy, Joe Biden and the Ukraine conflict”, see https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/2023/08/01/john-f-kennedy-joe-biden-en-het-oekraine-conflict/

Posted by: Paul-Robert | Aug 1 2023 8:16 utc | 17

Re: Posted by: unimperator | Aug 1 2023 8:10 utc | 16
Keep an eye on the upcoming elections in Slovakia & Austria – both neighboring countries to Hungary.
These results could possibly (just possibly) bring to power leaders more sympathetic to the views of Viktor Orban.
As a block (with Serbia) you would then have (potentially) 4 mid-size countries objecting to the War in Ukraine.
These elections are worth watching – Slovakia is up next in September.
Also – if these four countries can rise in opposition to the War, watch for the possibility Bulgaria could join them.

Posted by: Julian | Aug 1 2023 8:18 utc | 18

News from Gonzalo Lira: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW274f8s-ws

Posted by: Apollyon | Aug 1 2023 8:26 utc | 19

Posted by: The Accountant | Aug 1 2023 7:00 utc | 3
” Russia could pour its surplus oil into the Black Sea and it would make no difference to its internal economy. ”
Ha! Love that. So true, but the profit and loss sheet guys and those that think Russia has to ” find ” the funds heads will explode.
“Russia is still addicted to neoliberal economic theory (and will be until it nationalises the central bank and abandons the ineffective Western interest rate beliefs). That’s its weak spot.”
Yup, interest rate targeting is the devil and Putin is a “sound money” guy and believes bank lending and the unelected banks is a far superior way to allocate both skills and real resources than the elected government.
That is his weakness – as he tries, along with the leader of the Russian central bank to keep the Russian upper class and bond holders on side. Somebody needs to take him aside and explain the Isle Of Skye , Skye bridge saga to him. He would soon learn the error of his thinking.
Alexander Mercouris, Scott Ritter, Douglas Macregor, Mark Sleboda etc, etc might then finally understand economics, money and trade.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 1 2023 8:27 utc | 20

This type of media manipulation / public perception manigment may have worked well for the elite over the last two years, but the world public mostly know its war propagander now.
Most public view points have moved to dont know dont care.
Sadly that also is fine by the powers that be.
It needs to be remembered that the target/enemy/victem of the powers that be are the world public not just including their own.not just Russia
And they will infest each and every political party or entity, left right and center. Like a parasitc wasp feeding on its host.
The true nature of fascism!

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 1 2023 8:39 utc | 21

I’ll just add to my above @22
So for the elite the sanctions have worked just fine.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 1 2023 8:49 utc | 22

The sanctions have totally worked of the purpose was to deprive Russians of McDonald’s. Otherwise, not so much.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 1 2023 8:52 utc | 23

The Isle Of Skye , Skye bridge saga was one of the very first neoliberal, neo conservative projects in the UK. Scotland once again was chosen first just like with the poll tax to try this fucked up way of economic thinking. Along with PFI’s private finance initiatives.
The ” sound money ” way of thinking …..
” Government has to ” find ” the funds and taxes will have to rise, so it is much better to get investors on board and unelected banks to make loans, as they are so much better at allocating skills and real resources where they are needed. ”
All a myth of course, but voters have been brought up on a diet of these myths. That doesn’t reflect the government accounts or money creation in any way, shape or form. Or how
sovereign government with their own currencies spends.
So an American consortium won the contract and hired 3 companies to build the Skye bridge between the Isle Of Skye and mainland Scotland on the back of these myths. Because they DO work from a profit and loss sheet and are currency ” users” and not ” issuers” of the currency and they put a toll on the bridge when they were finished. To cover their costs and to rent seek for the next 50 years.
So the people of Skye started a revolution and deliberately got themselves arrested to clog up the courts and jails on the Scottish mainland until the tolls for crossing the bridge both ways were removed.
The UK government could have hired the same 3 companies to build the bridge and used an index finger and computer keyboard to pay for it.
There was no ” finding ” the funds as the UK government issue the £ and can buy anything that is for sale in £’s including labour.
Taxes wouldn’t have risen as there was plenty of fiscal space in the economy. So taxes were not needed to release both skills and real resources from elsewhere in the economy for the project. After all the American consortium found both the skills and real resources without any issues either.
The government could have negotiated the price by saying to the 3 companies that if they over charge for the project then they wouldn’t get any government contracts in the future and open it up to tender.
The bridge would have been built without a toll. That would have kept business costs down for local businesses that done business with the Isle of Skye. The local economy as a whole.
” sound money ” – much better to get investors on board and unelected banks to make loans, as they are so much better at allocating skills and real resources where they are needed was shown to be an ideological driven myth.
However, the facts were ignored and now the whole of the UK are run like this. Called trickle down but is really trickle up. Run by hedge funds, venture capitalists and rent seekers. Privatisation is the con that just keeps on giving upwards.
That just makes a nation a more expensive place to do business and to live and why they’ll never be able to compete with China and the rent seekers and bond holders choose war instead.
Interest rate targeting is the devil.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 1 2023 9:15 utc | 24

Central bankers deliberately trying to increase poverty is not a sound economic policy framework – only inhumane ideologues thinks it is.
The Russian Central bank fell hook line and sinker for the con at the start of the SMO. When they doubled the interest rate from 10% to 20% and inflation quickly followed the interest rate.
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=61030
Then Elvira Nabiullina seemed to wake up and pull herself out of the interest rate price spiral trap set by the West, that both Turkey and Argentina fell for. She Slashed interest rates and inflation fell.
Because economies are now run on ” sound money ” ideological driven nonsense. It is a HUGE mistake to believe interest rate targeting can control bank lending. Might as well push on a bit of string.
Russia will be FREE after it drops this ideological nonsense. Putin needs to put ” sound money ” and Elvira Nabiullina in the dustbin of history where they belong. Before she really fucks things up.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 1 2023 10:00 utc | 25

News from Gonzalo Lira

why would he make a viral video and twitter post – which has been viewed several million times so far – before crossing the border? so that the border guards are warned and he can be arrested there again?
i crossed the same border into hungary last march and the wait was 5 hours – that’s how carefully they checked everyone’s papers. in 5 hours his videos and tweets are seen by everyone… this guy makes no sense to me unless he wants to be recaptured for a bit of fame.

Posted by: hans23 | Aug 1 2023 10:07 utc | 26

@hans23 | Aug 1 2023 10:07 utc | 29
You don’t know when he attempted to cross compared to when the videos were posted. From the daylight in the videos my guess is they were recorded yesterday. To serve as a life insurance they would have to be uploaded before the crossing, but maybe they were uploaded with a few hours delay before being visible so they appeared after the (attempted) crossing. From the time info the videos became visible just after midnight CET.
What was your business in Ukraine?

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 1 2023 10:17 utc | 27

What was your business in Ukraine? Posted by: Norwegian

My wife is from Krivoi Rog, we picked up her children and some stuff with the car.
Nowadays it is easier to travel with Infobus or Flixbus, as they check you only once and not at each roadblock.

Posted by: hans23 | Aug 1 2023 10:57 utc | 28

The people who were telling us that Trump’s presidency was a dire emergency, the mRNA “vaccines” were safe and effective, that masks and lockdowns would reduce the spread, that the mildly changing climate is a “crisis”, are the same experts telling us that we need to eat bugs to save the planet and that the Russian invasion was “unprovoked”.
All these lies are easily debunked, and yet the vast majority of Westerners – supposedly the most educated and sophisticated people on the planet – seem to fall for (most of) them

Posted by: Observer | Aug 1 2023 10:58 utc | 29

The way to destroy the internal Russian production economy, perversely, would be to flood the Russian market with cheap imports. Much as the Chinese have done worldwide. Russia is still addicted to neoliberal economic theory (and will be until it nationalises the central bank and abandons the ineffective Western interest rate beliefs). That’s its weak spot.
Posted by: The Accountant | Aug 1 2023 7:00 utc | 3
I’m intrigued by your posts. Kinda convinced you know what you’re talking about in a sea of people who don’t. By which I mean the whole world of economic theory really which seems to me to be full of conflicting theories and no certainty. The ‘dismal science’ I think they call it?
So could you give us some links to where we can learn of your point of view or perhaps you have written or could/would write some kind of exposition comprehensible by us untutored in that field?
I think many of us would love to comprehend with some feeling of certainly just how it is all to be understood. 🙂

Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 1 2023 11:01 utc | 30

“LOL the russian ruble is at its lowest for over a year
“Russia’s rouble tumbles past 89 vs dollar to over 15-month low” on Reuters ”
That’s a good thing if like Russia you export your way to growth right ?
After all macro 101 says a strong currency kills some of your exports.
What about all the other currencies that have just got stronger against the ruble? If those countries export their way to growth ? How are they doing ?
Strong currency = good
Weak currency = bad
Is another myth that just keeps on giving. Part of the diet that voters are fed on. That only looks at one side of the exchange rate and ignores the other side of that transaction.
It’s all about context and what your trade policy is and the domestic policy you have chosen etc, etc, etc, etc…

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 1 2023 11:02 utc | 31

Russia is 1 step behind as usual
Posted by: Mom of Arch Bungle | Aug 1 2023 9:44 utc | 26
I don’t know, there’s still dumb people in Russia who need to see things like a drone strike on Moscow before they wake up from their stupor.
Mostly younger people who’ve travelled or studied in the West and can listen to English language propaganda.
“A-all war is bad! There’s never justification for war! Stop Putin and his horrible war!”
In other words, low intelligence losers (they’re usually unattractive too, in correlation with their limited brain power) who are masters at distorting words and meanings:
– the bombing and poisoning of Vietnam, Laos, Somalia, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Palestine, Afghanistan, etc, and now Donbass: not war
– the Donbass people putting an end to their own genocide, and Russia eventually joining them after getting backstabbed with fake peace treaties three or four times: oh, so horrible, war, can’t we all just live in peace?
If at this point someone hasn’t realised that Russia will be taken right back to the Yeltsin years and then poisoned, bombed and genocided, unless it fights back hard, then please, leave Russia, go to your beloved west and get enslaved there. No need to come back.
It’s only a minority though. I have one friend who studied in the US and is as brainwashed as you can be. She still had rage attacks last year when I mentioned things like Blackrock, but recently she brought up Blackrock herself, and she seems to finally get what’s going on in Ukraine and the West. It helped that she found some videos by a Russian woman who lived in Norway and recounted the staggering extent of government child trafficking there. That shattered the last of my friend’s illusions of the West. And her home city repeatedly getting drone attacked helped too.

Posted by: Mike | Aug 1 2023 11:04 utc | 32

@8 “It was an experiment: cancelling one of the major economies of the world to bring about a military defeat. They were reasonably sure it was going to work but they knew it has never been tried before.”
Well sanctions have happened before. The US sanctioned Japan from receiving oil from Indonesia in `1939-which worked as a provocation as Japan had no choice but to then start a war with the US.
US sanctioned Germany in late 1941 yet Brown Bothers Harriman and Co., a New York bank, was still doing business with the Nazi’s till the summer of 1943.
Guess who ran Brown Brothers at the time? Prescott Bush, George Bush’s father. who became a US Senator in 1952.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 1 2023 11:12 utc | 33

US sanctioned Germany in late 1941 yet Brown Bothers Harriman and Co., a New York bank, was still doing business with the Nazi’s till the summer of 1943.
Guess who ran Brown Brothers at the time? Prescott Bush, George Bush’s father. who became a US Senator in 1952.
Posted by: canuck | Aug 1 2023 11:12 utc | 33
Now that’s a good one. Goes into my file. Thanks. 🙂

Posted by: arthur brogard | Aug 1 2023 11:19 utc | 34

The NY Times has an interesting piece on the Russian economy, which was supposed to implode last year according to “expert” Western economists.
“The strong growth figures have upended expectations among some Western officials that the aftershock of going to war would push Russia into a prolonged recession and trigger a popular backlash against Mr. Putin’s government.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/31/world/europe/russia-war-economy.html
IMF 2023 forecast: 1.5% real GDP growth
https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/RUS
Current Inflation: 3.2%
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/inflation-cpi
Real wage growth: 10.8%
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/wage-growth
Reality intervenes to disprove the hubris and bravado of lousy Western economic forecasts of a year ago. IMO economists represent one more facet of US propaganda. Some even peddled a forecast of a 30% contraction in the Russian economy, when in reality it was the Ukrainian economy the declined 30%.

Posted by: JohnH | Aug 1 2023 11:23 utc | 35

“It is no wonder then that people will vote for anyone other than those in charge.”
If only. People will vote for their brand until 15 or 20% decide that “the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government” becomes imperative and undertake to “throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security”
But “people” in aggregate have very little agency or incentive to do anything other than wait it out and hope for the best.
It’s just the way it is and until the pathological narcissists go too far (wherever that may be), people are just going to suck it up, dig in to their brand loyalties and continue to abdicate their responsibility to a common weal.
I’d have thought that attempted mass murder by governments acting on behalf of pharma via mRNA would have crossed that Rubicon, but then again, normal people really, really can’t change their inculcated, indoctrinated world view, even when confronted with large scale, direct painful experience.

Posted by: whocanibenow | Aug 1 2023 11:25 utc | 36

re scepticalSOB | Aug 1 2023 7:31 utc | 7 who simplisticly asked “If you sanction the Spectator, how do you monitor the thoughts of the elite?”
resistance 101 If you believe that the spectator informs the elite after that classic example of the elites using the spectator telling lies to keep their puppets misinformed, I dunno what to say other than the same way that all of these shitrags are boycotted. That is using ad-blockers to ensure they get no clicks combined with any of the plethora of add-ons available to get yer browser past paywalls.
I doubt anyone has learned what the elites are thinking/doing from the likes of the spectator though as their tosh is strictly for the mugs.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 1 2023 11:28 utc | 37