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August 30, 2023
Open (Not Ukraine) Thread 205

News & views (not related to the war in Ukraine) …

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Scorpion : “Now you are just being rude.”
No I’m not. You are seeing things that are not there. Honestly.
RE “Rather you infer stupidity or bad faith on the part of someone who does not agree with you.”
No I don’t. And no I didn’t. You disagreement is not a problem for me.
and I should “relax” you say. Huh? I am relaxed.
I have no idea why you’re so upset, simply because I am suggesting to you it’s you who are misinterpreting the statements Xi and Putin are putting out. Since when did pointing something out to someone (they may have overlooked) become such a major ‘injury’ and ‘offense’?
Nothing good comes from Manichean perspectives.
I insist on you having the last word. 🙂

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 0:00 utc | 201

james | Sep 4 2023 15:45 utc | 201
Thanks. No worries. Original sources can usually help overcome the distortions and disinformation angles all around us. But motivating people to look at them objectively is next to impossible. Sadly.
At the end of the day we each end up making our own choices, irrespective of the info we accept. (imho)

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 0:09 utc | 202

“Thanks again for your time and effort.”
@ waynorinorway | Sep 4 2023 15:37 utc | 200
Thanks. I tried making a simple point (in order to help out) but still failed to get it across. Now I know better. I think I’ll stick with contributing original source links and not say a word. Unseen landmines abound.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 0:22 utc | 203

One last time for clarity:
The quotes below are from direct sources, not ‘referees’.
1. The following only references the Paris accord. Other Articles in both the 2022 and 2023 BRICS Declarations reference IMF, WTO, WHO etc.

53. We  commemorate the 30th anniversary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) and call on all parties to adhere to the principle of common but differentiated responsibilities and respective capabilities,…We recall relevant provisions of the Paris Agreement, emphasizing that the Paris Agreement aims to strengthen global response to the threat of climate change in the context of sustainable development and efforts to eradicate poverty, and that peaking of Green House Gas (GHG) emissions will take longer for developing countries. We underline that the developed countries have historical responsibilities for global climate change, and should take the lead in scaling up mitigation actions and scale up indispensable support to developing countries on finance, technology and capacity-building.*

*[Why West declining RoW rising.]
Paris Accords is part of Agenda 2030.
2. The second sentence in Putin’s address last week at 2023 BRICS Session: [emphasis mine]

“I would like to note that holding such business forums on a regular basis, along with the systemic work of the BRICS Business Council, which brings together top businessmen and heads of major companies of the five countries, plays an immense practical role in promoting mutual trade and investments, enhancing cooperation ties and expanding direct dialogue among the business communities – and thus effectively contributes to accelerated socio-economic growth of our states and achievement of the Sustainable Development Goals.

The Sustainable Development goals are part of Agenda 2030.
IMO, based on the above (and there are dozens of similar such Articles in the 2022 and 2023 Declarations) BRICS is aligned with Agenda 2030 which is globalist par excellence especially given how Woke Inc (BlackRock et alia aka ‘The Outlaw US Empire’) are all on board THE EXACT SAME AGENDA.
Having recently read through the two BRICS Declarations my view has shifted. Before I thought they were confused or offering a different but opaque agenda. Now am pretty sure it’s a con.
Not a big deal. Governments lying is normal, as are people who believe such lies as gospel. But for me this shift in view makes Russia and China normal too, not utopian Saints on a mission to solve all the world’s problems.
If you disagree, rather than ad hominem or straw man, take any part of those two quotes and interpret them your way. Then there is an actual discussion about original source material.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 5 2023 1:21 utc | 204

To illustrate how important the Paris Accords are viz how they effect US economy (as per the UN-BRICS discussion above), those interested should read this article in full. Note a link to the original source 8-page letter is included.
What follows below is the opening section:

19 US states fed up with BlackRock’s brazen efforts to function as a private government
by
MARK ANDERSON

Tuesday, 23rd August 2022
This page has now been updated with embedded audio at the foot.
A close reading of a letter from nineteen US states that takes investment giant BlackRock to task for putting its Environmental, Social and Governance goals (ESGs) ahead of the best possible investment returns for American citizens reveals that BlackRock—which, along with Vanguard and State Street, is one of the “big three” in the index fund management field—is literally setting policy and governing the world in key ways.
This position is clearly spelled out in the letter by the Attorneys-General (AGs) of the following states: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Ohio, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, and West Virginia. They write in the interests of the state employees whose pensions are invested by BlackRock.
This matter was first reported on the 5 August 2022 broadcast of UK Column News by Alex Thomson of Eastern Approaches, in the segment beginning at 16:14. The present article provides more details on the reality of private governance—craftily portrayed as “seeking dialogue” by BlackRock in this particular case—and on how it circumvents, or even usurps, governmental action by elected legislators.
Funds as bullies
The AGs’ detailed eight-page letter was collectively sent to BlackRock Inc.’s CEO Laurence (Larry) D. Fink on 4 August. It represents a significant revelation of BlackRock’s meddlesomeness. Signed by the chief law officers of 38% of the states in the Union, the letter does not mince words. Its second paragraph states:
Based on the facts currently available to us, BlackRock appears to use the hard-earned money of our states’ citizens to circumvent the best possible return on investment, as well as their vote. BlackRock’s past public commitments indicate that it has used citizens’ assets to pressure companies to comply with international agreements such as the Paris Agreement that force the phase-out of fossil fuels, increase energy prices, drive inflation, and weaken the national security of the United States.
These agreements have never been ratified by the United States Senate. The Senators elected by the citizens of this country determine which international agreements have the force of law, not BlackRock. We have several additional concerns that fall under our jurisdictional authority as attorneys general.
The AGs’ letter also notes that Mark McCombe, BlackRock’s chief client officer, recently wrote to several US states to describe BlackRock’s “position on energy investments with respect to [state] pension funds. Mr. McCombe’s letter contains many statements that appear to conflict with BlackRock’s previous public statements and commitments.”
Moreover, while McCombe’s letter had claimed that BlackRock is neutral on energy questions, and simply offers clients a range of energy-sector investment options, these AGs aren’t buying it, saying that this claim of neutrality
[. . .] differs considerably from BlackRock’s public commitments which indicate that BlackRock has already committed to accelerate net zero emissions across all of its assets, regardless of client wishes. BlackRock joined the Net Zero Managers Alliance (“NZAM”), which, among other things, directs members to “acknowledge that there is an urgent need to accelerate the transition towards global net zero emissions and for asset managers to play our part to help deliver the goals of the Paris Agreement.
Note the key phrases “accelerate the transition” and “to help deliver the goals” of the Paris Agreement—a pact which, according to the Center for Climate and Energy Solutions (CCES), “entered into force on November 4, 2016. Other countries have continued to become parties to the Paris Agreement as they complete their domestic approval procedures. As of January 2021, 190 parties have ratified the Paris Agreement [. . .] On January 20, 2021, President Biden signed an Executive Order to rejoin the Paris Agreement.”
That was done in the wake of then-President Trump’s 1 June 2017 announcement of his administration’s “intention to withdraw” the United States from the agreement. While Biden may entertain delusions to the contrary, no president can actually ratify a treaty with an executive order. That is the sole domain of the Senate.

There is much more in the article. It shows how BlackRock is pursuing the globalist (Paris Accord / ‘sustainable development’) agenda against the interest of its own investors and the States in which it is forcing various policies because of its clout (owning utility companies and so much more etc.).
When I say in my comments that the elites in the US seem hell-bent on bringing the US down, this is the sort of thing I mean. It is not reported on much. But that doesn’t make it a small matter. Furthermore, when we read things like ‘Outlaw US Empire’ we have this image of a marauding rapacious conqueror. There is truth to this. But it ignores how much rapaciousness is also being exercised within the US against the interests of the republic and its citizens which should not be confused with the ‘Outlaw US Empire’ moniker.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 5 2023 2:23 utc | 205

Now I know better. I think I’ll stick with contributing original source links and not say a word. Unseen landmines abound.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 0:22 utc | 205
That’s just a normal reaction to the poison that poster spreads. There’s so much ‘content’ and almost
no acknowledgement of anything contrary to his view that you feel overwhelmed and helpless. I think it’s
a strategy to drive posters away so as to leave him an open field to present his agenda. Some have left
or reduced their participation. That’s hard to quantify but it’s my view.
Now I see he’s even subtly attacking karlof1.
But I hope you will feel better after a little time and continue to contribute your thoughts. I’m sure
others appreciate your presence. Yeah landmines abound, but except for that one poster it’s a pretty good
joint to frequent.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Sep 5 2023 4:31 utc | 207

I’m good, no dramas waynorinorway.
I’m not overwhelmed or helpless. Simply recognizing and acknowledging communication is a waste of time with him because he’s disingenuous to a T and not interested in genuine dialogue at all. Besides the seeing things that are not there and the overreactions with misinterpretations. Not my problem. And I noted the Antonym on another thread today. Yuk. Not touching that.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 5:52 utc | 208

Posted by: Roger | Sep 4 2023 18:14 utc | 224
Thanks for posting that information about Musk in the wrong section.
I would have missed it otherwise.
Cheers

Posted by: Tom_12 | Sep 5 2023 6:16 utc | 209

@Scorpion 206
I was having a ‘discussion’ about original source material from @148 onward. It’s too late now.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 5 2023 7:07 utc | 210