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August 30, 2023
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Two interesting bits today: Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 1 2023 15:27 utc | 101 interesting article… bevin and others might enjoy it.. Posted by: james | Sep 1 2023 15:28 utc | 102 Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 1 2023 6:18 utc | 93
[no doubt to be continued…] Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 1 2023 15:05 utc | 100 Posted by: john brewster | Sep 1 2023 15:48 utc | 104 Posted by: john brewster | Sep 1 2023 14:59 utc | 99
—- Posted by: john brewster | Sep 1 2023 15:56 utc | 105 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2023 19:55 utc | 84 Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 1 2023 16:18 utc | 106 OK, will step away after this for today, but this BRICS stuff has been popping lately. Here are two more articles which just came out but analyzing the most recent declaration from BRICS from last week, whereas mine and karlof1’s above was from 2022.
He then goes through several points from the document, which you can get as pdf via links, much as I did above with the 2022 Declaration. And concludes by recommending a second, more thorough article:
These pieces are far more critical than I at this point, but I cannot say I disagree with their thrust. BRICS and Globalism are one and the same. And what they don’t cover is how or whether the West’s elites are aligned. On the one hand we have this tectonic struggle around Ukraine, but on the other hand both the West and Russia-China are all-in with WHO, WTO, IMF etc. Not to take away from Scorpion’s thoughts above, but what do you think is going on in Latvia? Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 1 2023 17:44 utc | 108 https://new.thecradle.co/articles/two-years-after-its-afghan-withdrawal-us-credibility-is-at-rock-bottom Posted by: AW | Sep 1 2023 20:49 utc | 109 https://new.thecradle.co/articles/no-respite-for-france-as-a-new-africa-rises Posted by: AW | Sep 1 2023 20:59 utc | 110 Alternative to American toilet-paper-substitute The NewsWeek… Posted by: MD | Sep 1 2023 21:13 utc | 111 HELLO AGENT ORANGE Posted by: MD | Sep 1 2023 21:41 utc | 112 Use your translater: Posted by: MD | Sep 1 2023 22:15 utc | 113 https://newcoldwar.org/new-york-times-helps-marco-rubio-push-persecution-of-antiwar-leftists/ Posted by: MD | Sep 1 2023 22:20 utc | 114 From an Ex-American in Russia: Posted by: MD | Sep 1 2023 22:31 utc | 115 https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-08-27/China-makes-breakthrough-in-controllable-nuclear-fusion-tech-1mBx4sW4gtW/index.html Posted by: AW | Sep 1 2023 22:52 utc | 116 https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-government-sued-hiding-information-afghan-refugees-detention-camps/5831022 Posted by: AW | Sep 1 2023 23:19 utc | 117 https://www.globalresearch.ca/draconian-law-institutes-extreme-censorship-internet-global-basis/5831047 Posted by: AW | Sep 1 2023 23:24 utc | 118 https://www.globalresearch.ca/ny-times-admits-it-sends-stories-us-government-approval-before-publication/5681831 Posted by: MD | Sep 1 2023 23:28 utc | 119 https://www.globalresearch.ca/guantanamo-prisoners-international-day-victims-enforced-disappearances/5830858?doing_wp_cron=1693610903.1104609966278076171875 Posted by: MD | Sep 1 2023 23:31 utc | 120 Another Knowledge Day has arrived and now mostly gone in Russia where some excellent events took place–speeches and interactions with students by both Putin and Lavrov that made for two very long articles that document those activities. They are in two parts–if I’d tried to post them here, they’d be four parts. The URLs will look the same but they aren’t. Part One, https://karlof1.substack.com/p/knowledge-day-2023-russias-unique https://nitter.net/snarwani Posted by: AW | Sep 1 2023 23:58 utc | 122 Chinese officials are claiming Russian territories and https://ria.ru/20230831/mid-1893494661.html is the government’s response. Posted by: Slavy | Sep 2 2023 0:37 utc | 123 I’m wondering about the possible future of BRICS. Posted by: smuks | Sep 2 2023 0:46 utc | 124 I believe in Chrome and Firefox you can use Ublock Origin to the same effect. Posted by: Nobody | Sep 2 2023 0:55 utc | 125 https://nitter.net/GodfreeTrh Posted by: AW | Sep 2 2023 1:06 utc | 126 Hiya Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 2 2023 3:25 utc | 127 Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 2 2023 3:25 utc | 128 Posted by: Nobody | Sep 2 2023 0:55 utc | 126 Milei is now ahead in the polls in Argentina. He’s anti-China which is a bit worrying. Posted by: Accidentshappy | Sep 2 2023 3:58 utc | 130 Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 2 2023 3:25 utc | 128 Posted by: john brewster | Sep 2 2023 4:44 utc | 131 Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 3:43 utc | 129 Posted by: john brewster | Sep 2 2023 4:49 utc | 132 What is advertising? 🙂 Posted by: Nobody | Sep 2 2023 4:54 utc | 133 For those who think that only the White House sells snake oil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5dGCZAS41k Posted by: Antonym | Sep 2 2023 8:15 utc | 134 @ Slavy | Sep 2 2023 0:37 utc | 124 Posted by: Antonym | Sep 2 2023 8:34 utc | 135 https://canadianpatriot.org/2023/08/29/international-rules-based-order-vs-un-charter-what-you-need-to-understand-now/ Posted by: MD | Sep 2 2023 12:03 utc | 136 And now, a tribute to the British media. From the Daily Mail: Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 2 2023 12:15 utc | 137 http://www.vineyardsaker.de/2023/08/21/dies-und-das-dr-sabine-ein-pracht-professor-und-ein-blick-auf-sehr-schmerzhafte-folgen/ Posted by: AE | Sep 2 2023 12:27 utc | 138 Posted by: MD | Sep 2 2023 12:03 utc | 137
The bar should be aware of Scorpion’s position as he expresses it frequently while Posted by: waynorinorway | Sep 2 2023 12:36 utc | 139 A place to go to agree to disagree sometimes, quite some range of views and discussions… Posted by: MD | Sep 2 2023 12:39 utc | 140 Latin America update Posted by: migueljose | Sep 2 2023 13:02 utc | 141 US empire collapsing at the border Posted by: migueljose | Sep 2 2023 14:25 utc | 142
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 2 2023 15:14 utc | 143 https://nitter.net/african_stream Posted by: MD | Sep 2 2023 15:17 utc | 144 https://venezuelanalysis.com/ Posted by: AW | Sep 2 2023 15:39 utc | 145 https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/raul-grigera-black-dandy-of-buenos-aires/ Posted by: AW | Sep 2 2023 15:44 utc | 146 @ Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 1 2023 16:25 utc | 108 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 2 2023 16:39 utc | 147 For those “barflied” who fall for that NEW CHINA MAP nonsense, please follow and read: Posted by: MD | Sep 2 2023 17:20 utc | 148 Posted by: migueljose | Sep 2 2023 14:25 utc | 143 Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2023 17:48 utc | 149 Posted by: waynorinorway | Sep 2 2023 12:36 utc | 140 Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2023 17:56 utc | 150 Posted by: MD | Sep 2 2023 12:03 utc | 137 Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2023 18:35 utc | 151 “Thanks for comment, waynorinorway.” Posted by: waynorinorway | Sep 2 2023 19:03 utc | 152 or… Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 2 2023 20:14 utc | 153 India’s recent moon-landing and forthcoming Solar observer missions are, imo, a subtle declaration that India is now a Superpower too, and the dumbass Yankees can shove their Quad daydream where the Sun doesn’t shine. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 2 2023 20:57 utc | 154 I am truly sad to hear of the death of Bill Richardson, whom I contacted when my daughter and her husband were once in a fix in China – his response was speedy and reassuring. The other thing I continually thank him for was putting in the train, the Railrunner, between Santa Fe and Albuquerque. I love to ride it. Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2023 21:14 utc | 155 Crooke’s al-Mayadeen column is out, “The New Commodity Powerhouse” that provides a short recap of the BRICS Summit and an important portion of its outcome. I’ve been trying to understand Glazyev’s critiques of BRICS’s NDB and Crooke uncovers one aspect within this paragraph: Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 2 2023 16:39 utc | 148
Plus he linked to Iain Davis who writes extensively on multipolarity. His thesis is that multipolarity stems from old agendas (Quigley et alia) for a one world order. Recent globalization, fusing supply chains etc. went too far, so regionalization or blocization as Schwab calls it must first be established over which will preside a single authority of some sort (almost certainly financial IMO).
Sounds great – Putin always does. But for it to be great you have to believe an unspecified system will be put in place run by nobody (though AI is programmed) or Enlightened Saints. Possible, yes, but… re: Trilateral Commission Posted by: AG | Sep 3 2023 2:25 utc | 158 Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2 2023 21:30 utc | 157
A possible explanation: the Western-based PTB in international trade and finance, having moved from Venice to Amsterdam to London to NY, are now moving to Beijing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rsFwkllB6A re: China Red Line Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 3 2023 4:49 utc | 161 Well, looks like Burning Man flooded out. A total muddy fucking mess. Reminds me of Zappa. “Hey punk where you going with that button on your shirt. I’m going to the love in to sit and play my bongos in the dirt.” I say live and let die. Freedom sometimes costs. Posted by: Immaculate deception | Sep 3 2023 4:49 utc | 162 My son went to a couple of Burning Man festivals. He had an excuse though. On one occasion he was supposed to do be sound engineer for someone, but it turned into a shitshow. The second time, he was driving a tour bus for a prince of Denmark. Life can be very strange. Posted by: Immaculate deception | Sep 3 2023 5:26 utc | 163 @ Scorpion | Sep 2 2023 21:39 utc | 158 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 3 2023 6:49 utc | 164 Thanks, karlof1 at Sep 2 2023 21:30 utc | 157 for Crooke’s assessment. It’s a quiet piece, but commendable for that as easier to grasp the fundamentals. Which seems to reflect the entire process: better to proceed cautiously than not to proceed at all. I’ve been thinking of the Rumsfeld dictum – ‘you go to war with the army you have’, which for many countries would not have been their favored course of action if it hadn’t been dictated by what the west was demanding and orchestrating, or attempting to do so. Posted by: juliania | Sep 3 2023 6:54 utc | 165 I’m slow puttin’ this out here it is next ultimate portion of a fair attempt at documenting a complex & emotive conflict BBC The Great War Pts 21 – 26 plus xtras last piece. Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 3 2023 7:16 utc | 166 Let’s hope this lives up to its billing.
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 3 2023 7:28 utc | 167 Fun Facts (Off Topic) Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 3 2023 8:01 utc | 168 Big move!
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202309/1297386.shtml Posted by: too scents | Sep 3 2023 8:08 utc | 169 @ AG | Sep 3 2023 2:25 utc | 159 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 3 2023 8:08 utc | 170 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 3 2023 9:16 utc | 171 Nepal too is upset with Beijing’s new “standard map of China” which claims parts of their nation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M0Gm_i9BKw Posted by: Antonym | Sep 3 2023 10:26 utc | 172 @Scorpion #158 and my comment #165
In my view, the bold sections in particular misrepresent the meaning behind and intentions of the text – they are not supported by a fair minded reading of the text within the broader context of the document and the normal meaning of the words being used as they were intended.
Then follows this comment by Iain Davis about the 2030 Agenda
Well so what if it “seems identical” to Iain? The SD goals and areas of focus they listed are clearly the same, yet their approach is certainly is not, as far as China and Russia are concerned and their joint statement as a whole makes that very clear. As well as specifically where they say:
And it is quite clear it is the developed world that are emphatically dragging their feet and not meeting their commitments as usual. See https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/development-agenda/ and if Iain has any issues with any of THE 17 GOALS themselves then that’s his business to argue, not for Xi or Putin on his behalf when they obviously sincerely support the UN Agenda 30 goals. See https://sdgs.un.org/goals
Using a 2018 establishment news ref about made in China drones (so?) and a “for hire” Chinese flagged tanker does not imv equate to China the Nation nor it’s Government carrying out nefarious activity, let alone it undermining their Joint Statement on the International Relations Entering a New Era and the Global Sustainable Development. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 3 2023 11:15 utc | 173 commentary verges on paranoia by the sounds of the rhetoric employed. Oh well, to each their
So. Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 3 2023 12:28 utc | 174 FYI: US-Eng. repo is a colloquial abbreviation of repossession a/k/a asset forfeiture in the event of loan default or police arrest. Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 3 2023 12:33 utc | 175 An interesting recap of recent conflict in Syria, plus the question of how things will develop in what might well be the complete absence of Wagner. It looks like we are about to discover whether those most eager to see the back of Wagner are able also to fulfil Wagner’s combat roles, not merely the profit-taking opportunities.
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 3 2023 12:33 utc | 176 FYI EU-Eng. third-country denote any state that is not a TEU signatory and member of the EU Single Market a/k/a rest of world, including but not limited to members of the BRICS trade association. Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 3 2023 12:36 utc | 177 How to make a million…the US American environmental science-y way
Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 3 2023 12:43 utc | 178 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 3 2023 11:15 utc | 174 + 16:39 utc | 148 + 6:49 utc | 165 Posted by: waynorinorway | Sep 3 2023 13:05 utc | 179 #38 Posted by: darkmoon | Sep 3 2023 13:34 utc | 180 Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 3 2023 7:16 utc | 167 Posted by: john brewster | Sep 3 2023 13:38 utc | 181 It’s a big ask for those who have a life. Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 3 2023 13:46 utc | 182 @ sln2002 | Sep 3 2023 12:28 utc | 175 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 3 2023 14:52 utc | 183 @waynorinorway #180 – hi, thanks for the feedback. Somethings motivate me enough to respond, others not so much. A slow day with time to kill I can get a little carried away. Won’t happen often (I hope) 🙂 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 3 2023 14:56 utc | 184 “Any response just encourages them.” Posted by: waynorinorway | Sep 3 2023 16:20 utc | 185 Posted by: juliania | Sep 3 2023 6:54 utc | 166 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 3 2023 6:49 utc | 165
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https://telegra.ph/BRICS-Summit—the-last-nail-in-the-multipolaritys-coffin-08-26 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 3 2023 11:15 utc | 174
I don’t need anyone to tall me that those six areas of focus are AAA Grade Globalist BS. So for me it is clear: The Corporatocracy and WEF and UN and BRICS are all of a piece. They are pushing feminism, climate change, digital cooperation etc. Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 3 2023 7:16 utc | 167 Posted by: john brewster | Sep 4 2023 1:55 utc | 189 @ Scorpion | Sep 3 2023 18:18 utc | 188
Yes, I get that. What I don;t get is what does the WEF Schwab meeting with the UN have to do with Xi and Putin and what they see building the future like? How the UN is being run (or rather not run properly) is precisely what the BRICS folks want to change – and they will change it to the better from being just another manipulative Tool for western Corporatocracy and the US western empire’s Neolibracon fanatics. Reforming the UNSC means changing how it operates and rearranging the deck chairs of who and how the shots are being called. Reforming the WTO the same. Reforming the WB and IMF or replacing them with other development banks which they have already began. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 4 2023 4:17 utc | 190 PS afterthought – This is of course only my own understanding, and others can and will see it differently. I can’t know everything. Xi and Putin could well be lying, I cannot know that if they are. I take them at their word in good faith. Because that is the history where these too are involved, in my opinion. I am not aware of any occasion where they were shown to be deceptive, intentionally manipulative or dishonest – to their own people or to other nations. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 4 2023 4:45 utc | 191 @ Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 4 2023 4:17 utc | 191 Posted by: Antonym | Sep 4 2023 5:14 utc | 192 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 4 2023 4:17 utc | 191 @lavrov: PS: This is a dead thread, I guess, but to round it off, the closing argument in the off-guardian piece linked above. Because it illustrates a very important point, one We The People often get trapped in. Think in terms of US politics: If you favor Trump that means you disfavor Biden. But then you find out Trump is bad and start saying so. That doesn’t mean you now favor Biden though most Trumpistas will accuse you of that. The writers of this piece are in the same bind. Having criticized the West & Empire for years and praised Russia-Putin, they are having a change of heart (as I have been first since covid especially but not only). But that doesn’t mean that they are now pro Empire.
Scorpion RE “You see different things in the Articles (?) than I.” Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 4 2023 14:21 utc | 196 ” Xi is partner in the WEF, again this year: (2023) “
Where does he promote America’s or Europe’s or the WEFs version of uneven globalization for some not all, distorted market economies, unfree manipulated and blocked Trade with Unilateral Illegal Sanctions imposed across the board, a minority controlled unstable system with an unsustainable future? Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 4 2023 14:51 utc | 197 Then, even when I point out a couple of examples to you here you still cannot see any of them and then you change the subject, switch tacks, accuse of doing things I have not done, and then shut the whole issue down entirely. Posted by: waynorinorway | Sep 4 2023 15:37 utc | 198 @ Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 4 2023 14:51 utc | 198 Posted by: james | Sep 4 2023 15:45 utc | 199 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Sep 4 2023 14:21 utc | 197
You can have the last word, no doubt with more insults about referees and how only your view is the correct one. Have at it! I’m done. |
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