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@Posted by: Cyril | Aug 24 2023 16:07 utc | 11
“Now that Argentina has an invitation to join BRICS, perhaps a loan from BRICS bank (NDB) will be forthcoming.”
If Milei, the neoliberalism on steroids candidate, wins Argentina will be lost to any anti-West alliance. He is a stooge for one of the richest Argentinians and Western financial interests. He idolizes the corrupt and disastrous (unless you were rich) Menem presidency of he 1990s.
Posted by: Roger | Aug 24 2023 22:41 utc | 101:
Brazil is being run by “neoliberalism with crumbs” Lula (who is giving even less crumbs after his stint in capitalist rentier reeducation). India and its rentier elite will sit on the fence forever, with their hatred for the Chinese being ameliorated by their many decades relationship with Russia. South Africa is a neoliberal wonderland with a few Black billionaires not giving an “f” about the rest while happily dancing with the white billionaires.
I believe you have this one about right. But, in my opinion, R and C, either together or act individually each on their own, is enough.
R and C did not collaborate nor act together in the 70’s and 80’s, and they both had the Empire sweating and wetting in its pants.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Aug 24 2023 23:15 utc | 102
Roger @102–
Agree with your assessment of Milei. IMO, Cuba is the better candidate.
My breakdown of the BRICS Declaration is finished. Most barflies seem more concerned with the fate of Lahina than that of the BRICS world, and that’s their choice of course.
Posted by: AOTP | Aug 24 2023 21:13 utc | 78
Your post was an interesting one, except for your ‘monsters’ theme. I surmise you are not a fan of a multicultural, multipolar society. That is understandable, given India’s history but perhaps a narrow view with respect to what might be India’s future.
I’m an outsider, but I hope the prospect will be a brighter one.
Posted by: juliania | Aug 24 2023 23:58 utc | 104
The plane! The plane!
So, planes have black boxes that record all sorts of data.
Nowadays, flight details like altitude and speed are also recorded from ground stations.
A missile or bomb would result in a loss of both speed and altitude.
Anyone else seen the graph where the plane lost 100 meters in altitude before climbing again eventually going…(as an astute poster in a previous thread posted)….”wee, wee, wee down to the ground. Let the conspiracy theories begin. ”
Or everyone could just wait for the official findings before going off halfcocked.
Posted by: Suresh | Aug 25 2023 0:07 utc | 105
karlof1 @ 104
Now I feel bad about posting something about Lahina, but watch at ~7min in:
Jimmy Dore – Biden Greeted With Extremely HOSTILE Response In Maui
https://youtu.be/Rh0iO3SkNtY?t=421
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2023 0:15 utc | 106
1. Justine Trudeau polls as Worst Prime Minister Ever.
Posted by: kupkee | Aug 24 2023 21:40 utc | 90
That’s quite a feat given Lyin Brian Mulroney stabbed every Canadian in the back, lied through his teeth and ‘Madeoff’ to the US to collect his rewards once he ran away from his subterfuge and dumped the party and his back stabbing on Kim Cambell. More evidence of the hunger that lays within
That’s not a defense of gadfly Trudeau the lesser, just a statement of fact. Mulroney was the long standing worst PM of Canada according to multiple polls…
But the thing is, it’s a good cop, bad cop ruse. Mulroney and many other Con politicians hastily beat the feet to the US to collect their rewards once out of office. That’s the way it works these days. Payment in the political afterlife deflects criticism of pay offs in the here and now.
Mulroney was an ardent opponent of the concept of the Free Trade Agreement btw, until he wasn’t. Then….that age old approach entered the lexicon, imho .What’s your price?
His successor, another Quebec home boy, Jean Chretien was vehemently apposed to free trade also,until he was ‘democratically elected’. Before the election he said he would scuttle the Free Trade agreement.
After the election he said, “You can’t undo and omelet.”
petit Jean was just another willy politician whose words meant nothing at all when it came down to what matters. It was just politics, nothing more. He did however get one thing right on the yankee invasion of Iraq. Waited for UN authorization, which never came
Perhaps you will be dissapointed in the end.
I wish it weren’t so, but time and history supports my cynicism.
Posted by: bubbles | Aug 25 2023 0:16 utc | 107
^^^ LightYearsFromHome @ 107
Oh, and this is the President that is going to take the USA into a two front war with Russia and China? Sleepy Joe is a million miles and a million years removed from FDR. People in the USA no longer believe a word about cataclysmic disasters: pandemics, fires, floods, hurricanes but they are going to follow these fools in Washington to WW3? Not this time. Well, at least until Washington runs out of Ukrainians and Poles, so a bit more to go before the call up fizzles out.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2023 0:25 utc | 108
Great cartoon on my buddy’s site:
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 24 2023 20:55 utc | 65
Your friend needs to add a panel with a burning globe.
Posted by: Phil R | Aug 25 2023 0:28 utc | 109
bubbles @ 108
Justine Trudeau polls as Worst Prime Minister Ever.
Of Canada or the entire planet? I ask because he is certainly at the top of the list for the latter 🙃
Another one, surely 38 million Canadians will follow rainbow Trudeau into a two front war with Russia and China. I’m sure every house in Canada will have a flag in the yard and picture of Trudeau over the fireplace as they listen to war reports on the radio.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2023 0:34 utc | 110
IMO, Cuba is the better candidate.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 24 2023 23:17 utc | 104
ICYMI, fmprc daily presser took a two week break 28 July, after the 13th Meeting of BRICS National Security Advisers and High Representatives on National Security in Johannesburg, South Africa (24-26 July).
The network should be a big stage where a hundred flowers bloom, not a new battlefield for engaging in a digital iron curtain, said Wang Yi, member of the Political Bureau of the Communist Party of China (CPC) Central Committee, here Monday.
Wang, also director of the Office of the CPC Central Commission for Foreign Affairs, made the remarks while attending the 13th Meeting of BRICS National Security Advisers and High Representatives on National Security in Johannesburg, South Africa, which began Monday.
[…]
The two-day meeting, held under the theme of “Cybersecurity is increasingly becoming a challenge for developing countries,” is being attended by Minister in the Presidency of South Africa Khumbudzo Ntshavheni, Chief Adviser of the Presidency of Brazil Celso Luiz Nunes Amorim, Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Patrushev, National Security Adviser Ajit Doval of India, and representatives of Belarus, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Burundi, the United Arab Emirates, Kazakhstan, Cuba, and other countries.
[…]Emphasis on Cuba, because in June US State launched “spying balloon island” hysteria. Emphasis on SA, because attendance by “developing countries” for Sssullivan-Nuland’s pet project [IMAGE], an NSA fund-raiser for Zelensk* hosted by MbS in Jeddah (4-5 Aug) bombed. On 13 Aug, fmprc daily resumed routine Q&A with the exception of one morning of BRICS XV PR w/e 19 Aug. in re: Cuba’s ninja-like mission to BRICS XV …
Prensa Latina: The presidents of China and Cuba held a meeting at the BRICS summit. Cuba holds the presidency of the G77 plus China. What comments do you have about this meeting?
Wang Wenbin: On the afternoon of August 23 local time, President Xi Jinping met with Cuban President Díaz-Canel on the sidelines of the BRICS leaders’ meeting in Johannesburg.
President Xi recalled that President Díaz-Canel paid a successful state visit to China last November, when they reached a broad consensus on further deepening China-Cuba ties in the new era and agreed to work together to build a China-Cuba community with a shared future. With the joint efforts of both sides, the consensus is being effectively implemented. China is ready to work with Cuba to continue deepening political mutual trust, expanding practical cooperation, strengthening strategic coordination, and advancing the special friendly relations between the two parties and the two countries. China highly appreciates Cuba’s steadfast support for China on issues concerning our core interests. China will continue to firmly support the Cuban people in their just struggle to defend their sovereignty and oppose external interference and blockade. China will do its best to provide support for the economic and social development of Cuba.
President Xi stressed that the Group of 77* and China is an important platform for cooperation among developing countries. Cuba, as the current chair of the Group of 77 and China, has made positive contribution to strengthening the unity and cooperation of developing countries. China highly values and supports Cuba in successfully holding the Group of 77 and China Summit next month. China stands ready to work with Cuba and other members of the Group of 77 to better safeguard the common interests and development rights of developing countries.
President Díaz-Canel said the current Cuba-China relations are at the highest level in history, adding that the Cuban people admire President Xi and thank China for the understanding and invaluable support for Cuba’s just cause. Cuba firmly supports the Global Development Initiative, the Global Security Initiative, and the Global Civilization Initiative proposed by President Xi. Cuba is ready to work with China to deepen Belt and Road cooperation, build a Cuba-China community with a shared future, and march ahead together on the path of building socialism with our respective characteristics. Díaz-Canel said Cuba is ready to work closely with China to ensure the success of the Group of 77 and China Summit.
The success of the meeting between the two presidents is a source of strong impetus for China-Cuba relations.
[…]* IMF chaperoned “development” groups and “growth” club epic, here
Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 25 2023 1:56 utc | 111
Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin’s Regular Press Conference on August 24, 2023
Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 25 2023 2:00 utc | 112
@Oriental Voice
Thanks. I wasn’t directly affected, I lived in Lahaina back in the day but only for a short bit because I wanted to live with waterfalls and pools, so I moved to East Maui on the far opposite end of the island from Lahaina. Hawaii has been for a long time influenced by rich people from all over the world, and from Hawaii, who want a piece of Hawaii. Steve Case for example is the biggest shareholder, over 60%, of the biggest land company on Maui, Maui Land & Pineapple. Lots of Billionaires from all over the world have a lot invested here, so of course the politics is heavily influenced by them.
@Ghost of Zanon
Yes.
@Tannenhouser
Most houses here are built the same as the rest of America. The fire was blowing burning embers everywhere at a high speed in a very dry place.
Posted by: kana | Aug 25 2023 2:41 utc | 113
At last some sanguine thoughtful rational common sense by Scott Ritter about Prigozin’s death and the plane crash.
@56:30 mins …. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEdA846aN18
“Here’s what I think happened, because I don’t believe in conspiracy theories, especially when the causal relationships generated by it run counter to the intent, like blowing up an aeroplane during BRICS – nobody friendly to Putin would do that, and I don;t believe any enemy of Prigozhin who is supporting Putin would do that.
Is it possible the British the French did it? That’s an act of war a big deal (so no). And why there inside Russia, when you can get him any where you want. Prigozhin just flew in from Mali a war zone, if you look at the video of the plane (on the ground crash site) you hear pop pop pop popping sounds, that’s ammunition going off.
Someone had weapons ammunition and high explosives on that airplane…. I don’t know if it was rated to carry that (securely) … he had a personal security detail, 4 guys who carry automatic weapons and they carry ammunition, maybe some pyrotechnics and grenades, that was loaded on the aeroplane, and I believe it was not loaded properly, and I believe that is probably what caused the airplane to crash and malfunction with the ammunition onboard – it’s the only thing that makes sense to be honest with you.
Because if Putin wanted him dead for example he could have done that any number of ways that would not have been so high profile ….
(…. or be so inconvenient timing etc – besides which Putin just doesn’t do this kind of shit – he could easily have had them all arrested if he needed to interdict Prigozhin and company – please listen to the 10 mins lead up to this comment by Ritter where he explains several matters related to his final conclusions above – which are of course short of evidence – however we should all know that once the plane crash investigation starts they will quickly be able to find what kind of an explosion it was, what was the material involved, and where did it occur. IOW time and patience is needed for the investigation to discover and analyze the evidence first. )
So, maybe no grand convoluted conspiracy theory is required to explain what actually happened.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Aug 25 2023 2:52 utc | 114
Justine Trudeau polls as Worst Prime Minister Ever.
Of Canada or the entire planet? I ask because he is certainly at the top of the list for the latter 🙃Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2023 0:34 utc | 111
Trudeau the lesser, isn’t a leader. His father was by far the greater brain. Pa had an agenda and he was in a big hurry to enact it. Short window in politics and all that. Trudeau sr. practiced the art of bribing people with their own money to get their votes. Nixon called him an asshole. Nixon left office in disgrace, Trudeau Sr. according to multiple polls is Canada’s most popular PM ever.
Trudeau Sr. also accomplished some things of significant value. Just not for farmers.
On the negative side;
Folks must like being bribed with their own money, their children’s money, their grand children’s money. Trudeau Sr. ran up public debt to historic levels.
Trudeau Jr. is simply carrying on the tradition but not because he has an ounce of the brains his dad had, but because he is easily, and quite possibly willingly manipulated by those who are far brighter than he. Yearning to be Dad’s prodigy may make him easy prey.
I would mention here that Justin’s dad was attending at some of the best universities, while mine was engaged in deadly combat with Kurt Meyers dreaded 12th SS Hitler jugend panzer grenadiers. Hitler youth division. The same who murdered at least 20 lads from the North Nova Scotia Highlanders and 27th Armoured Regiment
My old bro would have called young Trudeau a shiny face which means a front man for those who actually hold power.
I take no pleasure in writing these things about the warts, as I am a Patriot but truth should always see the light of day so good people can be informed and not drowned in bullshit . Armed with truth, the young and strong should be able to take up the torch, that failing hands, do throw
If they can find time away from tic tok, instagram vids and facebood that is..Oh my, I do lament for an earlier time that wasn’t awash in bullshit and distraction.
Posted by: bubbles | Aug 25 2023 3:01 utc | 115
The US after seventy years of “armistice” is keeping the Korean War going.
..from Stripes
PAJU, South Korea — A torrential downpour prompted flood warnings Wednesday near the border with North Korea, but U.S. Strykers and South Korean tanks kept rolling.
About 500 U.S. and South Korean troops practiced their street-fighting skills in the Urban Area Operating Center, a simulated city block eight miles from the Demilitarized Zone separating North and South Korea.
The urban combat drill was part of Ulchi Freedom Shield, a semiannual, 11-day exercise by the U.S. and South Korea, one of the largest military exercises the allies conduct on the peninsula.
About 70 of the troops were U.S. soldiers from the 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, the rotational unit deployed to South Korea from Fort Carson, Colo. . . .North Korea, which labels the joint exercises a rehearsal for an invasion, condemned Ulchi Freedom Shield and warned it could spark a “thermonuclear war,” according to the state-run Korean Central News Agency on Tuesday.. . . .here
. . .and it serves as a good possible example of the US in Ukraine against Russia
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 25 2023 3:13 utc | 116
@ 117
The threatened action by the US and its allies consist of over 30 separate drills, some with seven other nations in U.N. Command, are underway during Ulchi Freedom Shield. . . .The “UN Command” would like to have even more control of North Korea — A North Korean attempt on Thursday to put a military satellite into orbit failed. U.S. Indo-Pacific Command in a news release Thursday said North Korea’s satellite launch used the same technology for ballistic missile launches and that “despite its failure, is a brazen violation” of U.N. Security Council resolutions. . .brazen — bold and without shame. . .You go, DPRK.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 25 2023 3:27 utc | 117
Apparently, you’re unaware of the fundamental racial superiority in the Japanese and Chinese cultures. Both really don’t want much to do with anyone outside their racial groups
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2023 19:19 utc | 47
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Are you telling me ‘wn’ welcome diversity with open arms ?
Nobody likes to be swarmed by an influx of ‘aliens’, thats understandable.
what makes the gardenists stand out is their uber menchen complex..
The colored dont belong in my country, hell, they dont belong in this planet either.
[Except their Aryan bro in India and the ‘honorable white‘ jap ]
Their pet hate is Han Chinese, FUKUSA had their Chinese Exclusion Act in the 17C to drive out the Chinese rail workers.
Its now upgraded to GlobaL CEA, to make the Han pariah of 21C
As for your incoherent rant on Okinawa, …
Too much BS, too little time,
Posted by: denk | Aug 25 2023 4:33 utc | 118
Yes, that contaminated water is safe enough to drink, as far as radiation goes.
Numbers matter.
Posted by: averros | Aug 24 2023 22:30 utc | 99
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How many times have the jap been caught out fudging the spec on their industrial products ?
You dont know G7 is a serial lying pos ?
Posted by: denk | Aug 25 2023 5:02 utc | 119
Those comments might not even be coming from people or they may just be coming from low level intelligence operatives, again, not people.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 24 2023 20:58 utc | 68
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I certainly wouldnt discount that possibility.
OTOH, there’s real racism embedded in the anglophone, dating back to the days of CEA in the 17C
Thanks for your response,
Posted by: denk | Aug 25 2023 5:09 utc | 120
@ Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Aug 25 2023 2:52 utc | 115
Sorry, correction to scott ritter / prigozhin plane crash url at 28 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEdA846aN18&t=1662s
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Aug 25 2023 7:35 utc | 121
bubbles @ 116
Trudeau the lesser, isn’t a leader. His father was by far the greater brain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lCIh2aCH_o
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2023 8:08 utc | 122
@LightYearsFromHome
bubbles @ 116
Trudeau the lesser, isn’t a leader. His father was by far the greater brain.
the lesser isnt a leader at all. he is “young global leader” of the “mein reset” chlaus. or in other words: a traitor…
Posted by: COViDiOT | Aug 25 2023 8:18 utc | 123
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 24 2023 18:59 utc | 44
Thank you for taking the time to expound on your theory and colour me shocked that you were immediately subject to an ad hominem attack. This tends to happen to anyone who attempts to think outside the box.
‘There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in our philosophy’.
Ryan Christian at The Last American Vagabond has recently covered DEW in relation to the Maui fires, but as you know this discussion has been ongoing for a long time, though regarding that seminal event almost 22 years ago I tend towards a version of The Third Truth. I am not an engineer or firefighter, I am simply a lurker, here to learn, so I will refrain from further comment other than to say that the application of such a Shock Doctrine would not surprise me.
Your command of English is excellent, by the way.
Posted by: JuliaHin1984 | Aug 25 2023 8:40 utc | 124
I am currently visiting Grozny, Russia, since I want to get an impression how much resources Russia has spent rebuilding the city. This would seem like a useful comparison for how Russia might act if it maintains the upper hand, e.g., in Mariupol.
I remember reading about a year ago an article by Anne Applebaum where she stated that Grozny has an ugly city center surrounded by ruins. I would like to expose this as a lie, but I am unable to currently find a link to the article. Maybe someone can help me out?
Posted by: Martin | Aug 25 2023 9:00 utc | 125
I have to change my image of Norway, really…
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Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 25 2023 10:34 utc | 126
In case anyone missed the info from Karl
short BRICS summit review of key points
https://karlof1.substack.com/p/2023-brics-declaration
and
https://karlof1.substack.com/p/more-brics
Final BRICS Joint Declaration
https://brics2023.gov.za/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Jhb-II-Declaration-24-August-2023-1.pdf
Xi will giving a speech/discussion with all African leaders who attended the Brics summit tomorrow — and there’s similar things being arranged for meetings with the G77 group (developing nonaligned nations now with 140 members) there as well, currently led by Lula from Brazil.
Reports say the new BRICS group of 11 nations from Jan 1 2024 represents 80% of global Oil production. 36% of global GDP and 46% of the worlds population. Most believe membership will rise to ~40 nations in the years ahead before 2030. There is a set process now of adopting new members, at present around another 20 have already applied for consideration.
BRICS is definitely a powerful force for enhancing Multipolarity in the world’s systems, they have a strong agenda to reform the WTO system and trade and financing systems.
About the BRICS 2023 EXPANSION Lena Pavlova
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKxXigac7qI
15 BRICS Summit | In conversation with Prof. Martin Jacques
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kck-Zi5VGA
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Aug 25 2023 11:06 utc | 127
@JuliaHin1984 | Aug 25 2023 8:40 utc | 128
Thank you for taking the time to expound on your theory and colour me shocked that you were immediately subject to an ad hominem attack. This tends to happen to anyone who attempts to think outside the box.
Thank you for the feedback! Such attacks were not at all unexpected. I consider reactions that contain some form of ad hominem and those that simply avoid discussing the key points to be variants of cognitive dissonance, i.e. the internal discomfort that occurs when received data conflicts with one’s world view. In such cases people tend to reject new data in order to maintain their world view.
That said, I could be wrong about my observation and interpretation of data. That is why I am interested in honest falsification attempts based on hard facts and reason.
Ryan Christian at The Last American Vagabond has recently covered DEW in relation to the Maui fires, but as you know this discussion has been ongoing for a long time, though regarding that seminal event almost 22 years ago
Thanks for that reference, I will look it up and see what it says. I know very well the discussion has been ongoing, and I do see what looks to be close parallels.
Your command of English is excellent, by the way.
Thank you! I make mistakes and my vocabulary is limited, but I suggest people try to write about complicated matters in a language foreign to them and observe what happens 😀 .
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 25 2023 11:16 utc | 128
Intelslava was quick to repeat the false accusation toward the Russian president and is doing a sloppy job compared to https://t.me/s/ZandVchannel.
A bit preliminary but at least it fits within the constraints of common sense:
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/76553
Prigozhin’s personal pilot has been named as a suspect to his murder.
⚡️Prigozhin’s personal pilot and owner of the crashed jet Artem Stepanov (pictured) is wanted by Russian police.
⚡️He had access to the plane and right before the explosion he departed for Kamchatka, where he “disappeared.”
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/76477
A few hours before departure, Prigozhin’s flight attendant Kristina Raspopova told her family that for some reason their flight was delayed. Looks like some kind of renovation. Before the flight, she posted a photo from the airport cafe.
Another version that an employee at Sheremetyevo could have carried the explosives is the media.
By the way, the fact that the tail was two kilometers from the fuselage, just testifies in favor of the explosion on board. Anyone could organize it: the Americans, the French, the British or the Reich.
This is looking more and more like a western intel operation (DGSE, MI6, … ?) to stop Russian influence encroaching on Western (especially French in CAR, Mali, …) influence in Africa instead of a high profile murder on a protagonist of the special operation. Or maybe it’s just both.
Posted by: xor | Aug 25 2023 15:00 utc | 129
A superb explanation of the current crisis in west Africa by Veejay Prashad
“…On Aug. 11, Philippe Toyo Noudjènoumè, the general secretary of the Communist Party of Benin, wrote a letter to the president of his country and asked a precise and simple question: whose interests have driven Benin to go to war with Niger to starve its “sister” population? “You want to commit the people of Benin to go suffocate the people of Niger for the strategic interests of France,” he said.
“I demand that… you refuse to involve our country in any aggressive operation against the sister population of Niger… [and] listen to the voice of our people… for peace, harmony, and the development of the African people.”
“This is the mood in the region: a boldness to confront the neocolonial structures that have prevented hope. The people want to shatter resignation.”
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/08/24/the-people-of-niger-want-to-shatter-resignation/
Posted by: bevin | Aug 25 2023 15:04 utc | 130
Posted by: bubbles | Aug 25 2023 0:16 utc | 107
Notwithstanding your mostly valid summary of Mulroney, the Justhim Trudeau poll was about current world leaders, not of the past.
And of all the selected “shiny faces” for the incorrigibly corrupt Federal Liberal Party of Canada, Chretien gets a bit of leeway from yours truly when he told Dubya Bush that Canada wasn’t going into Iraq. Unlike Justhim Trudeau who is constantly looking for Parental Approval and direction for any step that might be construed as strategy.
Posted by: kupkee | Aug 25 2023 15:05 utc | 131
Has Strategic Culture Foundation found a new home?
org still down.
Posted by: Thurl | Aug 25 2023 15:09 utc | 132
Another one, surely 38 million Canadians will follow rainbow Trudeau into a two front war with Russia and China. I’m sure every house in Canada will have a flag in the yard and picture of Trudeau over the fireplace as they listen to war reports on the radio.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2023 0:34 utc | 110
When your strength is in finger-painting and diddling underage girls, what else can be expected of this “leader” who just wants to go along to get along.
Unfortunately Canada has not built a new outhouse in the backyard for many years otherwise there would be a strong demand for Trudeau, the Lesser’s picture placed firmly at the bottom of the heap, six feet down.
Posted by: kupkee | Aug 25 2023 15:15 utc | 133
there must be a fair number of canucks at moa by the look of it.. many of us are old enough to have watched many of these canadian leaders come and go and do remember a lot of it… mulroney was for free trade, while turner and the ndp weren’t… welp – that split the vote and mulroney got in on his free trade bs.. so much for democracy or any resemblance of it.. i think that is why mulroney was seen for who he was – a complete sell out to the usa… the others don’t really compete on this level…
Posted by: james | Aug 25 2023 15:16 utc | 134
@ denk Aug 25 2023 5:09 utc | 118 and 120
Since the mistake was repeated a second time, I offer a correction — if in fact you are referring to the federal law passed in the USA, The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 (the 19th century not the 17th century).
The act was the legal culmination of not only white racism against people of Chinese descent but a pitting of workers against each other, vying of miners for gold and wage workers for jobs and higher wages. The Chinese, exploited by xenophobe opportunists and their families, were blamed for undermining wages of white workers and for getting too much access to the dwindling supply of miners’ gold.
Posted by: suzan | Aug 25 2023 15:51 utc | 135
@Posted by: james | Aug 25 2023 15:16 utc | 134
And Trudeau killed the proportional representation which would have meant that the right-wing would never get back in power, because the Liberals much prefer keeping the 2-party monopoly. They also like playing the Democrat game, stabilize the position after massive Conservative tax cuts, deregulation etc. Of course, in the 1990s Chretien/Clinton over-achieved with neoliberalism. In Canada, kept the GST and NAFTA (both campaign promises to get rid of), slashed federal healthcare and other funding, kept the lunatic central banker who saw “inflation” where others saw depression (and its was a depression in Canada at the start of the 1990s). And the NDP head of Ontario immediately walked back his campaign promise to provide the same cheap state car insurance that Quebec has.
Trudeau also seems to have a very bad attitude toward women that he has power over, even while he masquerades as a “feminist”, same with the disappearance of the black-face pictures. Basically a spoiled brat who keeps getting away with anything that he does, because “Trudeau”. He is also a complete sell out to the US and WEF. The picture below shows it all, the good children Trudeau and Freeland dutifully listening to grandaddy Soros:
https://niagaraindependent.ca/george-soros-and-his-canadian-chess-game-part-3/
That paper has an excellent series on Soros’ poisoned influence on Canadian politics:
https://niagaraindependent.ca/introducing-george-soros-part-1/
https://niagaraindependent.ca/the-core-beliefs-and-aspirations-of-george-soros-part-2/
https://niagaraindependent.ca/george-soros-and-his-canadian-chess-game-part-3/
https://niagaraindependent.ca/george-soros-casts-a-long-shadow-across-canada-part-4/
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 24 2023 19:37 utc | 50
In fact, the Japanese are also Polynesians in your definition.
Posted by: Colin | Aug 25 2023 17:12 utc | 137
Posted by: Roger | Aug 25 2023 16:05 utc | 136
It’s interesting that liberals claim that all criticism of Soros is anti-Semitic, just as they claim that all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic.
This is nothing more than projection, as they are indeed anti-brown racists who want European Jewish believers to colonize the brown people of Palestine.
Posted by: Colin | Aug 25 2023 17:17 utc | 138
Here’s my Ukraine Weekly Update for those who don’t have time to follows events in and around Ukraine as much as they would like. It may be useful to some. https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-bd7
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Aug 25 2023 17:18 utc | 139
Wagner.
Found this which is not something you would expect just after Prigozins death. The removal of Wagner graves in Nikolaev cemetry. (but not the bodies?) Crosses heaped together in a pile. Ground levelled and covered.
https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1695098904730046830
The original poster (Samuel Ramani) mentions “Redut” as the possible replacement for Wagner. (Which has connections to the Defense Ministry, he says).
I do not know how this fits in to the official versions of what happened or even if it does. The work seems to be quite advanced for the space of time since the plane came down. I don’t know about Samuel Ramani either.
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There must be a large amount of disinformation at the moment, simply because so many .org site have been taken down. (by the social companies acting in coordination. Facebook, Instagram etc.) Particularly the ones treating Palestine or are known to be reliable about the middle east.
Does this have anything to do with the EU new censorship laws? (Possibly) Whatever. It is making sure that no other information than that specifically allowed is able to be seen by us.
One other point is that the “New” CEO thingy under Musk has stated that she/He/it would introduce a form of selective censorship where the person posting does not realise that his/her posts cannot be seen by others.
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Do Storm shadows still work or has Ukraine run out of them? None seen lately.
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Doom, doom, and more doom.
A wannabe “carrington” effect may happen – or not, but sunspots are appearing, which may be interconnected under the surface (ie. two massive “devils horns” apppeared at the same time but a long way apart.)
Which could shut down all EW and etc, etc.
Back to the stone age or the age of writing letters on real paper.
My mistake about the graves. They are substituting Stone Pyramids with names on them for the crosses, as is done in other cemeteries –
@Thurl | Aug 25 2023 15:09 utc | 132
They seem to have a VK page: https://vk.com/strategicculture
Strategic Culture Foundation
🔔 The Strategic Culture Foundation’s online journal was this week hit by a massive cyberattack. The assault resulted in the forum being shut down on its regular internet site. Readers who normally access the journal were informed that the site was no longer available.
The online journal has safely migrated to strategic-culture.su 👋 and, in addition, we continue to post articles via SCF’s Telegram channel in order to exercise our inalienable right to freedom of speech.
The SCF online journal has been up to now accessed via the “.org” domain. The domain is operated by an organization called Public Interest Registry (PIC) based in the United States. PIC proclaims to be a “trusted” non-profit company “dedicated to the integrity of the internet” and free speech.
The outrageous action to obliterate SCF is a sign of the sinister times. There can be little doubt that the sabotage was carried out by state agencies: those of the United States and its NATO allies. This should not be seen as some kind of petty hacking by cyber vandals, but rather as cyber-warfare at the state level.
Truth may be an early casualty of war. But that casualty can be repaired with more supportive truth and time ♥
The new domain is: https://strategic-culture.su/
Southfront, Strategic Culture Foundation, Infobrics.org all censorred. It’s not the IP address or host account but the domain name. I would feel more comfortable if B would create another backup domain 🙂
Posted by: xor | Aug 25 2023 18:28 utc | 142
Talking of Canada.
And Free Trade.
The Canadian government is suing Mexico to prevent it from banning GMP corn imports. A sordid and disgraceful action made all the more disgraceful in that it is clearly designed to curry favour from the US.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Canada-to-Litigate-With-Mexico-Over-the-Ban-on-GMO-Corn-20230825-0011.html?utm_source=planisys&utm_medium=NewsletterIngles&utm_campaign=NewsletterIngles&utm_content=8
Posted by: bevin | Aug 25 2023 18:32 utc | 143
An excellent take on the Argentinian political situation going into the October elections by Bad Empanada. Basically, its back to the future of Carlos Menem with mass corruption, cuts to government expenditures and dollarization (a traitorous surrender to the US financiers). Sad how easy it is for the right to reverse so much good work that helped the majority of the population.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjpCKUi9oM8
@Posted by: Colin | Aug 25 2023 17:17 utc | 138
European settlers claiming their Jewish supremacist lebensraum, the abused repeating their own abuse upon the innocents (Arab Moslems) rather than their abusers (European Christians).
xor @ 142
FYI There is an MoA TG you can check on should MoA go down.
https://t.me/Moon_Of_Alabama
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2023 18:43 utc | 146
A reminder in the Morning Star of all the unsung work that the antivaxxers and pandemic deniers have been doing for their sponsors, whether they realise it or not, among the neo-liberal ruling classes.
Without the help of those who spent the pandemic trivialising its impact and the millions whose lives it took, neo-liberalism would have suffered a massive setback at the hands of an enraged public. ” Libertarians” are often just fascists in mufti.
BEREAVED families taking the government to court, for discharging untested NHS patients into care homes en masse in the early days of the Covid pandemic, are taking a stand for accountability.
“The official Covid inquiry has so far proved more of an opportunity for guilty decision-makers to mislead the public than anything else. Opening sessions saw austerity architects David Cameron and George Osborne brazenly claim that their savage public-sector cuts had somehow helped prepare Britain to handle a pandemic.
“Media attention focused on their disingenuous claims to have prepared for the “wrong” pandemic (a flu variant), rather than the reckless rundown of public investment that saw senior doctors warn of a “permanent winter crisis” in the NHS before the virus even struck. Nor was their health secretary — the current Chancellor, Jeremy Hunt — put through the wringer over similar claims, though he didn’t act on the findings of the government’s own Exercise Cygnus pandemic simulation that protective equipment stocks would quickly run out.
“Matt Hancock — the health secretary who took the calamitous decision — is not likely to take any more responsibility.
“He has not yet given evidence on decisions taken during the crisis, the focus of this autumn’s hearings. But in June he tried to blame everyone but himself — local authorities (themselves bludgeoned by years of Cameron-and-Osborne austerity), civil servants, even the World Health Organisation for Britain’s unprepared state.
“In his memoirs, he places the blame on care home staff for spreading the virus — without coming clean on the reasons they did play a role, the endemic use of outsourced staff moving from care home to care home in a privatised and poorly regulated sector, and the lack of proper sick pay rights.
“Like so many public inquiries, that on Covid will no doubt come to some stern conclusions — without prompting any political action.”
“We cannot lose sight of the fact that Britain’s death toll was extremely high, well at the upper end of countries globally. Many of the reasons why became obvious during the pandemic…”
https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/article/covid-court-case-can-shed-light-britains-broken-politics
Posted by: bevin | Aug 25 2023 19:29 utc | 147
Posted by: suzan | Aug 25 2023 15:51 utc | 135
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You’r right of course,
More than a century ago, Jack London foretold the war on China to an eerie accuracy.
The west elites such as bertrand Russell, Winston Churchill etc etc have long reached a consensus,
if your cant beat them, cancel them.
If war wont cut it, germ warfare might do the trick.
From CEA to Global CEA….
In the face of China’s economic growth, of its political alliances with Russia and several African, Latin American and Asian countries, and of the advance of Chinese technology companies, like Huawei, the United States threatens a war against China, as predicted by Jack London in the short story “An Unparalleled Invasion”. And while the war does not happen, the United States desperately seeks to exclude China and its companies from global trade, as if a contemporary version of the Chinese Exclusion Act were possible, but this time with planetary reach!
https://mronline.org/2022/12/14/the-united-states-and-white-supremacy-at-war-with-china/
Posted by: denk | Aug 25 2023 19:36 utc | 148
Posted by: denk | Aug 25 2023 19:36 utc | 148
LOL!
Jack London told sumbuddies living under a rock that the Big 6 plus USA had re-branded the Opium War on China a “Boxer Rebellion”?
Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 25 2023 19:49 utc | 149
Posted by: Roger | Aug 25 2023 18:37 utc | 145
Yes, the Zionist narrative of Israel’s “security” is the Zionist version of Lebensraum.
None of these people even dare to say where Israel’s reasonable borders are. If they claim that the UN gives Israel the “right to exist”, then why does it have the right to occupy territories outside of UN-defined boundaries – if UN decisions don’t make sense, then why can UN decisions give Israel the right to exist?
They can only claim “because we won” – so how can there be any sense of Israel’s “right to exist” if the victor can take over the legitimate state of others?
Then there are the Zionists who threaten that “Because IDF is strong, if there is a war, it is only the Palestinians who will lose” and “Israel has nuclear weapons and if Israel loses its right to exist, they will slaughter the Arabs” So how is this different from the Nazis and their Ukrainian collaborators slaughtering Jews by force? It can only mean that Zionism is just another version of the Nazism.
Posted by: Colin | Aug 25 2023 21:38 utc | 150
“After BRICS-11” contains links to some very important material AND an outstanding discussion of the Summit by Hudson and Escobar that’s much better than anything I could possibly write.
Saker guy has been AWOL but popped up with a long youtube answering various questions, several insights and an interesting watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck-QeGmZBF8
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2023 22:08 utc | 153
@Roger | Aug 24 2023 22:41 utc | 100
Iran and Syria should definitely be in BRICS, since they have shown great fortitude in fighting GloboHomo, but those 2 countries are not in BRICS. Argentina and Ethiopia are now in BRICS, and those countries are basket cases already. Was just reading somewhere the other day about how Ethiopians are fleeing into Yemen to reach Saudi Arabia while the Saudis just machine gun them down in the desert on them reaching Saudi Arabia. Ethiopia definitely is going to need more “we are the world” attention in the near future. South Africa will reach basket case status next year sometime, or the year after, as all African nations do after 30 years of independence. Saudi Arabia will sell Russia out the first chance they get, they were responsible for the oil price crash at the US’s behest which contributed to the USSR’s collapse. Having Egypt in BRICS is the same as having Israel in BRICS, Egypt in fact sold out Russia in the past. Egypt bought high end Russian hardware and then just passed it on to the US. But its all part of Putin being nice and agreeable with all and sundry until WW3 breaks out, and if WW3 doesn’t break out then Russia at least has good relations with many countries out there. Trading opportunities should never be turned down.
Posted by: gT | Aug 25 2023 22:10 utc | 154
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 24 2023 18:59 utc | 44
Curious: the one picture I saw featured flames along the entire length of the fuselage? What might explain that? I find that a tad question-raising…
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 24 2023 20:13 utc | 58
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Caught my eye, too. No contrails, hence some internal source. The flames along the lengh of the fuselage suggest a liquid accelerant and a fair bit of it. Burning jet fuel leaves dark clouds if it cannot get a clean burn. The length of the flames absent heavy smoke suggest a clean burn of a higher than middle distillate, if that.
Forensic analysis will reveal many things. The Russians might not disclose much.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Aug 25 2023 22:27 utc | 155
Niger after kicking out the French ambassador has kicked out the German and American ones. The latter is important as the USA was playing games there, carrot and stick I’m sure, and maybe to screw France and grab Niger for itself. Anyway, Niger took the stick away and told them where to put the carrot. Bold stuff, they must be aware what’s about to come down on them.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2023 22:29 utc | 156
LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2023 0:15 utc | 106–
Thanks for the new SCF link and the other info you provided!
sln2002 | Aug 25 2023 1:56 utc | 111–
Thanks for your reply and additional info. In his discussion with Hudson, Escobar mentioned the key situation Cuba is now in relative to BRICS and Multipolarity. The revelation about the shared plight of Brazil and Argentina ought to open many eyes and minds. The web/net woven by the Outlaw US Empire in creating then chaining the Latin oligarchs to the dollar teat was very well done we must admit as breaking the oligarchies is the only way to break that dependence and control it allows. And we should know that the Empire will fight as dirty as it always has to keep those nations chained.
there must be a fair number of canucks at moa by the look of it.. many of us are old enough to have watched many of these canadian leaders come and go and do remember a lot of it… mulroney was for free trade, while turner and the ndp weren’t… welp – that split the vote and mulroney got in on his free trade bs.. so much for democracy or any resemblance of it.. i think that is why mulroney was seen for who he was – a complete sell out to the usa… the others don’t really compete on this level…
Posted by: james | Aug 25 2023 15:16 utc | 134
Free Trade, translated into reality, is reduce your wages and living standards or give up all your industry to the lowest common denominator.
Specifically, the U.S./Canada Free Trade deal completely ignored the U.S. exclusive ability to print US dollars unfettered, to buy up any business or resource in Canada, at will.
Once Mexico jumped in, Canada was the Total Loser.
Posted by: kupkee | Aug 25 2023 22:58 utc | 159
https://nitter.net/GodfreeTrh
Godfree Roberts
@GodfreeTrh
17h
Not coping, lying.
Bloomberg: “At a time when China’s economic slowdown is worrying the world, sending investors fleeing and leading to calls for greater stimulus to avert a Lehman-like shock, an alternative thesis has taken root: President Xi is allowing the economy to flounder”.
One more time: China’s GDP is $30 trillion PPP
5% growth = $1.5 trillion.
$1.5 trillion = more than the GDP of 192 countries.
$1.5 trillion = more than US + EU growth combined.
$1.5 trillion = 30% of global growt
Posted by: MD | Aug 25 2023 23:01 utc | 160
https://nitter.net/thesiriusreport
The Sirius Report
@thesiriusreport
2h
Remember the bank term funding program used to secretly bail out failing US banks?
It is up over 100bn a week now.
But it’s all great, so no need to worry.
Just focus on China instead
Posted by: MD | Aug 25 2023 23:12 utc | 161
https://nitter.net/thesiriusreport
The Sirius Report
@thesiriusreport
13h
So much for sanctions:
Iranian crude and condensate exports in January was 1.2m bpd
In August it now stands at 2.2m bpd
Iran has the capability to further massively increase production.
So much for this energy cliff.
Posted by: MD | Aug 25 2023 23:16 utc | 162
l5l –
Many thanks again, karlof1! I’ll just have two short comments on this always interesting and uplifting conversation. First, Pepe mentions, and I endorse, the highly significan inclusion into BRICS of Ethiopia. Not only for energy and mineral importance, to my mind, but for its history. (I have an Ethiopian cross, for instance,given to me by my fatherinlaw — and some day somebody will be able to translate for me the inscription at its base.) And secondly, a closing comment by Michael Hudson: “If you read the western press, I don’t know why you’re watching this show!”
I assume Prof. Hudson was indirectly answering Pepe’s question about the BRICS bank problem in his final comment before Pepe left. My own financial ‘expertise’ is pretty poor, so I could be wrong about that. (His answer was to propose counter threats to the one involving countries’ gold theft – take our gold and we’ll take your investments – if I understood it.) And very interesting that he, Michael, does not see a danger to the US in what BRICS is accomplishing, though there may very well be one in what the US is doing to itself.
Totally enlightening and entertaining both.
Posted by: juliania | Aug 25 2023 23:16 utc | 163
Woops, in my comment above at 163, I meant to reference Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2023 21:39 utc | 151
Posted by: juliania | Aug 25 2023 23:18 utc | 164
gT @ 22:10 writes: “Iran and Syria should definitely be in BRICS, since they have shown great fortitude in fighting GloboHomo, but those 2 countries are not in BRICS.”
Iran’s membership application was approved and will become a full member this coming 1 January. Perhaps you meant Iraq? Both Iraq and Syria have announced their intention to apply for BRICS membership.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 25 2023 23:21 utc | 165
https://nitter.net/thesiriusreport
The Sirius Report
@thesiriusreport
Aug 24
US once again being the total hypocrite that it is:
Washington is now importing the highest levels of Uranium from Russia since 2005.
US bought 416 tons of uranium from Russia in H1 2023, which is over 2x larger then yoy for the same period and the largest amount since 2005.
Posted by: MD | Aug 25 2023 23:21 utc | 166
https://nitter.net/thesiriusreport
Another reality of Chinese trade:
Trade volume of the Hainan province in China with the member countries of the RCEP was 37.56 billion yuan in H1 2023, up 19.3% yoy. RCEP nations accounted for approximately 33% of the province’s total foreign trade in that time period.
Note, Australia, Indonesia and Japan were Hainan’s three largest trading partners during that reporting period, accounting for 62% of all RCEP trade
Posted by: MD | Aug 25 2023 23:26 utc | 167
https://nitter.net/RnaudBertrand
Arnaud Bertrand retweeted
Multiples Capital
@MultiplesCap
Aug 24
Replying to @hkuppy @gave_vincent
This article is a great example of the China narrative. Headlines stated China slowdown hits the stock and fact is China sales grwt was 16% last quarter. Classic
cnbc.com/2023/08/23/why-is-n…
Posted by: MD | Aug 25 2023 23:33 utc | 168
https://nitter.net/BRASILWIRE
Once again NYT & WAPO trash:
BRASILWIRE retweeted
BrianMier
@BrianMteleSUR
Aug 22
In January, 2017, I wrote about everything we knew about US State, and US integral state media outlets like New York Times and WAPO’s involvement in and normalization of what has now been juridically established as a phony impeachment. brasilwire.com/us-brasil-cou…A
Posted by: MD | Aug 25 2023 23:53 utc | 169
https://nitter.net/Kanthan2030
S.L. Kanthan
@Kanthan2030
6h
How do Americans fall for sleazy politicians?
Vivek Ramaswamy got a law degree from Yale, joined a hedge fund, and trolled discarded patents.
His first big money was from an Alzheimer’s drug that failed spectacularly AFTER he cashed out from an IPO.
He doesn’t know foreign policy or history; can’t even pronounce “Xi Jinping” properly; and repeats dumb stuff like how he would stop the “CCP” from buying land in the USA or stealing IP.
Oh, that Alzheimer’s drug he profited from? It had been abandoned earlier by GlaxoSmithKleine after four failed clinical trials.
He talks fast like Andrew Tate and has a good memory for slogans. That’s all.
The US will face its biggest geopolitical and economic challenges over the next few years. Slick but shallow salesmen are not what the country needs.
Posted by: MD | Aug 26 2023 0:01 utc | 170
I REALLY LOVE THIS ONE:
https://nitter.net/Kanthan2030
Meanwhile, life expectancy in the U.S. continues to go DOWN!
So, life expectancy will be about 75, and Americans will work until 70.
Enjoy 5 years of retirement, 3 of which will be in bed.
LOL !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: MD | Aug 26 2023 0:06 utc | 171
The “joy” of totally hating CHN and also increading your cash flow, which has become a new industry among anglo-saxons,ha:
https://nitter.net/AndyBxxx
Andy Boreham 安柏然 retweeted
Peter Dukes
@ChinaCounter
23h
CHINA WATCHER WATCH, EPISODE 5: ANNE-MARIE BRADY #ChinaWatcherWatch
Annie Marie-Brady is the most notorious Anti-China, Sinophobic and Yellow Peril scholar in New Zealand, who has been a catalyst in spreading paranoia, fear and hatred of Chinese people under the auspices of “Communist Party interference.”
Brady is a Professor of Political Science at the University of Canterbury, Christchurch, but her work has been co-opted by the western mainstream media in order to legitimate the Anti-China agenda.
It is no surprise that she is closely affiliated with the US Military Industrial Complex funded Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) where she serves as a “senior non resident fellow” as well as the Woodrew Wilson Centre.
Despite being “acclaimed” as a scholar, in reality Marie-Brady’s work has been widely criticised for its sub-standard quality and hateful tone. Other New Zealand universities, including the the University of Auckland and the Victoria University of Wellington, said her work was “inflammatory, inaccurate and unprofessional” as well as having “…manifest errors of fact and misleading inferences…” and “… unsubstantiated assertions and outright falsehoods constitute a serious breach in accepted standards of scholarship.”
It goes without saying that Brady is paranoid, dramatic, inflammatory and deeply unpleasant, and is quick to attribute any opposition or setback she faces as a coordinated Communist Conspiracy against her, whether it being her twitter account being restricted in 2021, or of course people reacting to the hateful tone of her work.
She claims the Communist Party launched an intimidation campaign against her, but New Zealand’s Prime Minister at the time, Jacinda Ardern, openly said there was no evidence of that and rejected the claims of Australia’s (Scott Morrison linked) intelligence service that they were behind it.
Her arrogance towards states who choose to engage with China know no boundaries. Not only is she the chief critic of New Zealand’s pragmatic stance towards China, she branded the Solomon Islands a “failed state” and said they had a “corrupt elite” over their security deal with Beijing last year.
Brady, like the others, is a firm example of a sub-par scholar, one with extremely hateful views, being given a huge platform because it serves as an agenda to promote fear against China. She is undoubtfully a narcissist.
Posted by: MD | Aug 26 2023 0:13 utc | 172
@karlof1, #151:
Karl, thanks for posting your substack link. This is the first time I click to your Substack.
Thanks also for keeping us informed on BRICS evolution. To me the significance of BRICKS is just now beginning. The past 15 summit meetings were just brainstorms among upstart nations wanting to demonstrate their weight on the global stage. SMO changed the geopolitical dynamics. SMO revealed that the west (the combined west, i. e.) to be the literal paper tiger. Therefore, G7 is indeed irrelevant now. The expansion of BRICS implies the true emergence of a multipolar world. Like it or not the curtain is drawn on The Empire spouting pitifully on stage.
But the present status of BRICS is just a beginning. It’s growth trajectory and perseverance is by no means clear nor certain. As Roger opined a few posts ago, one can be sure of R and C’s objectives and strength, the rest are malleable and corruptible. I do believe Saudi and Iran will be as firm as R and C. I’m not sure about the others. Since the core is new and has yet to achieve predominant superiority over the rest of the world as G7 was when it was formed, it will take BRICS some work and brilliant diplomacy for Global South to truly gravitate towards them. We shall see how geopolitics would evolve in the next few years. De-dollarization, however, is certain to move onwards. So, even if the emergence of BRICS may or may not change world politics, it would surely change the world economically.
I believe the UN needs a re-birth too. It’s too submissive to The Empire and its vassals, to obnoxious extents.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Aug 26 2023 0:18 utc | 173
Posted by: MD | Aug 25 2023 23:01 utc | 160:
Thank you MD for posting this series of China-focused comments, my favorite subject matter :-).
Here is one that echo’s Robert’s Godfrey’s comments:
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202308/1297005.shtml
I believe China will achieve the 5.5% growth for 2023 as they projected. And as you have shown, 5% growth in China exceeds the combined growth of The West in real terms.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Aug 26 2023 0:46 utc | 174
Diane Johnstone doesn’t post much nowadays, but when she does it is not to be missed.
This is about Rich Men North of Richmond, what it means and why it brings Americans together.
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/08/25/diana-johnstone-a-voice-heard-in-the-land/
Posted by: bevin | Aug 26 2023 0:47 utc | 175
juliania | Aug 25 2023 23:16 utc | 163–
Thanks for your reply. I one of my BRICS related articles, I mentioned the strategic geographic significance of Ethiopia that neither Hudson nor Escobar quite nailed. Ben Norton in his discussion of the Summit a few days ago used the contents of this Oxfam PR to illustrate the “co-debt” issue between G-7 and RoW. Here are the opening two paragraphs:
Wealthy Group of Seven (G7) countries owe low- and middle-income countries $13.3 trillion in unpaid aid and funding for climate action, reveals a new analysis from Oxfam ahead of the G7 Summit in Hiroshima, Japan.
Despite failing to pay what they owe, G7 countries and their rich bankers are demanding that Global South countries pay $232 million a day in debt repayments through 2028. This money could otherwise be spent on healthcare, education, gender equality and social protection, as well as addressing the impacts of climate change.
That’s sort of what Hudson was alluding to. RoW ought to Just Say No to more debt payments to G-7 nations, which is a point I did mention in one of my articles. I do have more to add to what Hudson and Escobar said, and I’ll include that when I dig into Xi’s contributions which I’ve yet to do.
Oriental Voice | Aug 26 2023 0:18 utc | 173–
Thanks for your reply. Yes, BRICS was feeling its way and did suffer a big setback with Covid. But as you say, the SMO has really opened some eyes. I’ve always stressed the issue of energy as it relates to development, and you can see what’s happening there. I’m very interested in what happens in Saudi Arabia, indeed the entire Gulf, particularly Qatar. Cutting all the colonial and neo-colonial chords will take time to do peacefully. There’re a great number of important events to observe and report about that don’t get much media circulation, so my substack performs the function my VK does, although most of my articles now appear at my substack while I link to them at VK.
Correction to my #174:
Godfree Roberts’. Not Robert Godfrey 🙁
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Aug 26 2023 0:52 utc | 177
Oriental Voice | Aug 26 2023 0:46 utc | 174–
If the accounting was done properly, the West would be seen shrinking while China grows, the gap being 7-10% or more depending on the nation being compared.
bevin | Aug 26 2023 0:47 utc | 175–
My wife shared that excellent musical rant with me last night. And there’re others. It proves anyone can be a populist protest singer–you just need to have courage and well-rehearsed lines.
@Posted by: gT | Aug 25 2023 22:10 utc | 154
We very much agree on the nature of the new nations joining the BRICS. Thats why I proposed BRICISSTAN, which has nothing to do with the BRICS (the I is for Iran not India, the B for Belarus not Brazil, S is for Syria not South Africa, and STAN is for the nations ending in “stan”) as the true core of the resistance to the West.
Much closer to the members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO: China, Russia, India, Iran, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan with Afghanistan, Belarus and Mongolia as observers plus a long list of dialogue partners and with ASEAN as a guest attendee) and the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU: Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan with Uzbekistan and Cuba as observers).
The BRICS will continue to disappoint, with neoliberal elites fully in control of Brazil, Argentina (after the October election) and South Africa. Its real role now is to keep such nations as non-enemies that are happy to ride the coat-tails of increasing multi-polarity to rebalance their economic relationship with the West. Less neocolonial plunder to support the Western core that is continuing to be hollowed out.
@Posted by: Colin | Aug 25 2023 21:38 utc | 150
Both Nazism and Zionism are versions of fascism, just like Mussolini’s Italy, Franco’s Spain and Salazar’s Portugal. In countries such as the US, Canada and the UK we are getting a version of liberal fascism – with all the trappings of democracy without any of its reality. We already have extensive domestic surveillance, overwhelming levels of media management and propaganda, and the ability to only vote for those candidates chosen for us by the ownership class.
@Roger #180
It is genuinely interesting, for a non qualified commenter like me, to observe a proper scholar (from what I read on your website) adopting such a simplistic but, so to speak, “geometrically” appealing definition of fascism.
The subject has been analysed (since Gramsci at least) to a point of extreme, perhaps excessive sophistication, and I find myself drawn towards a more accessible formula.
I think the most general, if possibly insufficient, assumption is that of a _modernist_ (in the classical sense of XX century) _national reform_ movement, aiming to _lately_ establish, through political violence, a functional bourgeois regime in a space not yet “naturally” governed by the class hegemony stemming from the French Revolution and subsequent facts.
Where the regime was already established and solidified through the political instruments of earlier times (bourgeois revolutions, creation of countries), we are simply not expected to observe proper fascism, because not needed except for a few temporary adaptations.
On the other hand, we are somewhat led to consider as fundamental (not casual or transient) the fascistic elements of Kemalism or even the Meiji Restoration, as I already implicitly suggested in another comment.
Is it really that simple?
Posted by: MoaMetal | Aug 26 2023 2:56 utc | 181
@Roger, #180:
I don’t really care how “ism” are defined, but this statement you made:
….We already have extensive domestic surveillance, overwhelming levels of media management and propaganda, and the ability to only vote for those candidates chosen for us by the ownership class.
is spot on! Bravo!
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Aug 26 2023 3:04 utc | 182
interesting that in other nations high wind high hazard snow etc , power lines are built underground. the one off cost is more than made up by reduced maintenance. maybe its a usa thing to keep repairing a old broken idea every disaster
Posted by: hankster | Aug 26 2023 3:22 utc | 183
@ denk Aug 25 2023 19:36 utc | 148
From your link:
In 1907 London wrote a short story entitled ‘An Unparalleled Invasion’ in which he imagines the future economic might of China challenging the supremacy of the West:
Contrary to expectation, China did not prove warlike. She had no Napoleonic dream, and was content to devote herself to the arts of peace. After a time of disquiet. the idea was accepted that China was to be feared, not in war, but in commerce. [ emphasis mine]
In this text, according to the logic of Jack London’s convictions, the ‘solution’ found by the West to the Chinese economic challenge was military: the story ends with the annihilation, by bacteriological warfare conducted by the USA, of a large part of the Chinese population
Jack London embodies, in an exemplary manner, the fear and violence of white supremacy when confronted by the ‘yellow peril’. About himself, Jack London declared
I am first of all a white man and only then a socialist.
This confession finds echoes today even in certain sectors of the Western left that, feeling threatened by Chinese economic and technological growth, warns of the danger of Chinese ‘imperialism’ and advocates the ‘containment’ of China….
Posted by: suzan | Aug 26 2023 3:25 utc | 184
@Posted by: MoaMetal | Aug 26 2023 2:56 utc | 181
Gramsci came to understand that fascism is the plan B for the bourgeois elite when their created hegemonic culture loses its control over the population. The post-WW1 crisis in Italy that delegitimized the bourgeois “democracy” led to Mussolini (who was put in place by the bourgeois elite).
Franco came into power after the West refused to aid the Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, as the Republicans represented a counter-hegemonic project. Salazar came to power in Portugal also in the 1930s, when the Great Depression delegitimized bourgeois rule. His rule could be deemed to be authoritarian corporatism, as it didn’t display some of the fascist elements of Mussolini or Hitler. The latter was put in place by the German ruling class when the left threatened to gain power in the next election (Hitler was not elected, he was imposed after the Nazi vote had fallen vs. the previous election). We see the same in Latin America in the 1960s/1970s when the counter-hegemonic project of the people was on the verge of success.
The modern Western version has been deemed Liberal Fascism or Inverted Totalitarianism, with the ownership class and their corporations fully subsuming the state, the fourth estate and what is generally called “civil society” (the other part of the state/society complex). Again, its just a variation on the theme of bourgeois capitalist dominance.
Israel fits the Nazi version of fascism very well, with an untermenschen (the Moslems/Arabs/Palestinians) who are utterly persecuted, very obvious racism against non-whites, a religious mystification of the state and land as being the Jewish homeland, an increasing religious supremacy (even Christian groups are now feeling this in Israel) and an increasing reduction in any freedom that the courts and independent oversight bodies have, plus the militarization of the whole society.
The same is very much taking place in Ukraine, with even the same rewriting of history that took place in Nazi Germany.
karlof1 at 176
On Ethiopia, I would as well think it important to have both Egypt and Ethiopia in the grouping, since there is the allocation of the waters of the Nile to be considered. For them both it is certainly better to have discussions on that issue rather than disputes. This is the point which makes these groups so important, a place to come and argue differences without an obvious overriding imperative being enforced, such as the debt issues you mention.
Prof. Hudson described those as a new kind of colonialism. Which somehow the US has fallen into like a deep, deep rut, abandoning the industrial side of capitalism; or, rather, treating that industrial side as a colonial resource, not in our backyard. Ah, how did we fall into such a mindset?
I guess I am still wondering why Pepe’s questions,framed quite strongly, about the BRICS bank were not directly answered. It perhaps echoes earlier misgivings in comments about the Russian central bank? As long as there is cooperation, stability functionally speaking, best not to antagonize — a bit like having oligarchs decide on their own to support the state, which basically is directed towards support of the people, or to leave. The soft approach, but carrying a big stick.
I love to read, but I am amazed at your output, and grateful – do you ever sleep, karlof1?
Posted by: juliania | Aug 26 2023 4:11 utc | 186
Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 25 2023 19:49 utc | 149
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Even tho this ‘wn’ didnt spell it out, I know what he means..
whiteman dindunuthin , its the jews, its Israel’s wars, USAss is Israel’s bitch.
Sure, here’s the proof…
Washington sanction Tel Aviv over its arms sales to
China
White House pressuring Israel to cut research ties with China over dual-use concerns
QED
Here’r more evidence of FUKUSA aka AUKUS led armed gangs dragged screaming and kicking by the jews to the killing field…
ENA
ANZUK
SEATO
CANZUK
FIVE LIARS
NINE LIARS
14 LIARS
QUAD
NATO
NAATO
FUKUSA aka AUKUS
Posted by: denk | Aug 26 2023 4:33 utc | 187
juliania | Aug 26 2023 4:11 utc | 186–
Thanks for your reply. My wife tells me I sleep, so I must. IMO, Dr. Hudson didn’t have enough info to form a proper answer as that sort of detailed response takes time to formulate. IMO, much has to do with the novelty of the situation–it’s an unblazed trail so trial and error rule.
On the Horn of Africa nations, peace is absolutely required to solve their issues and improve the wellbeing of those living in them. You focused on the essential resource–water. It will be expensive, but the only real way is erecting nuclear powered desalination plants on the coasts so the water produced can be used to irrigate agriculture to feed the populous so they can be at peace and further develop themselves. Power/energy is the key, but establishing and keeping the peace remains #1. A lot of destabilizing needs to be restabilized.
This confession finds echoes today even in certain sectors of the Western left that, feeling threatened by Chinese economic and technological growth, warns of the danger of Chinese ‘imperialism’ and advocates the ‘containment’ of China….
Posted by: suzan | Aug 26 2023 3:25 utc | 184
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The west elites and the majority of peons have long reached this consensus…
The planet aint big enuff for us and the chinaman, one has to go
The garden dragged kicking and screaming to the killing field…by the jews !
Episode 101
https://tinyurl.com/mudk99jd
[comment 50]
[hint]
uber sinophobes like Trump and fucker Carlson are ‘wn’ national hero, their Great White Hope.
Posted by: denk | Aug 26 2023 4:54 utc | 189
@ karlof1 | Aug 26 2023 4:48 utc | 188 and juliania | Aug 26 2023 4:11 utc | 186
Thanks for the link Karl. I watched the piece and want to say how I saw Michael’s response to Pepe’s question about the NDB and its tie to the US dollar.
First, some context.
Michael Hudson was right to call out the disinformation about the “kind of money” that is being proposed for the BRICS+ environment. It is not a money used by the public but a kind of money used by sovereign Central Banks to clear international trade imbalances.
The rumor mill says that new bancor type money will be instantiated to have intrinsic value of some sort, gold maybe initially and then breadbasket of resources and such.
Now lets get back to what Michael Hudson said on the show about what to do about the NDB situation. I hope I characterize his words correctly but I heard him tell all the countries in the world to demand their gold back from empire. Why would that be important for sovereign nations unless gold becomes the new intrinsic value measure for the new BRICS+ bancor type money for Central Bank clearing of trade imbalances.
Michael also hinted at the challenge of the inherent imbalances that global trade will have with nations of different size and stage of development….the bigger ones will be like Germany was in the EU until late.
What happens if there is a coordinated effort to repatriate gold to the owner countries?……GRIN…..Gold, Gold, who’s got the Gold?…and what is it worth?
The shit show continues until it doesn’t
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 26 2023 5:47 utc | 190
re denk | Aug 26 2023 4:54 utc | 189
denk I checked out that link to a post you made back in Ap-ril and one of the worst anti-‘asian’ quotes was from a Russell, is that Bertrand Russell the quasi-existentialist philosopher and one time pride of englander lefties for his alleged fabian socialism?
Blatant racism among the self described left is nothing new. One only has to consider how the labour government of 1940’s west australia who threw the traditional owners of WA cattle stations off their land when the jackaroos and ringers who were all indigenous & had been living on the land which the Federal & WA government had leased to whitefella despite these clans having lived on it for many millennia. They objected to being paid a bag of sugar AND a bag of flour for a mere 70 hour week! They were just scooped up and dumped in the middle of the Pilbara which the government thought was useless. Of course after Lang Hancock discovered iron ore in the Pilbara the people were scooped up again and pushed North to conflict with the clans already living there but no one cared. I mean a Labour government (Labor only changing it’s spelling in the 1970s) which was designed to support unions knew instinctively for too many in WA that certainly didn’t include blackfella unions.
The anti-asian racism in Oz was really stirred up in WW2 and lasted for at least 40 years afterward creating all sorts of injustices. One of my brothers best mates in Aotearoa was of Chinese descent, his dad had been a prominent QC/KC wasn’t allowed into Oz with all his mates who were; they chiefly whitefellas in the 1960’s when everyone else left to find a decent job and both political parties in Oz spoke with one voice on this. eg Arthur Calwell Labour leader actually saying “two wongs don’t make a white”.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 26 2023 6:18 utc | 191
Quotable quote..
“the doctrine of the equality of man was never intended to apply to the equality of the Englishman and the Chinaman”.
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is that Bertrand Russell the quasi-existentialist philosopher and one time pride of englander lefties for his alleged fabian socialism?
Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 26 2023 6:18 utc | 191
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Yes, the one and only limey philosopher,
Bertrand Russell.
Much of Russell’s obsession about “too many” births linked contraception and abortion as important new advances to achieve a “stable” population. He was alarmed about the higher fertility of nonwhite women and he demanded that the Asian and black birthrate be drastically curtailed. Otherwise, he felt his own breed (whites) would be overwhelmed, resulting in chaos and disaster. His view on population was made clear in his Prospects for Industrial Civilization: “Population [must be] stationary or nearly so…. The White population of the world will soon cease to increase. The Asiatic races will be longer, and the Negroes still longer, before their birth rate falls sufficiently to make their numbers stable without the help of war and pestilence…. Until that happens…the less prolific races will have to defend themselves against the more prolific….”
An early eugenicist, Russell was one of the most dignified and reputable names who finalized the plans for a massive post-World War II campaign for world population control. His ideas on population are now cited chapter and verse by the modern stalwarts of the Zero Population Growth movement. To his credit, Russell was straightforward about the movement’s actual goals and objectives. In 1951 he warned about the kinds of dangers he saw in the near future — apparently the renowned Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse were not having the kind of result he was hoping for. In The Impact of Science on Society, he wrote: “At present the population of the world is increasing at about 58,000 per diem. War, so far, has had no great effect on this increase, which continued throughout each of the world wars…. War has hitherto been disappointing in this respect…but perhaps a bacteriological war may prove more effective. If a Black Death could be spread throughout the world once in every generation, survivors would be free to procreate freely without making the world too full.” Russell went on, “this state of affairs may be somewhat unpleasant, but what of it? Really high minded people are indifferent to happiness, especially other people’s.”
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The anti-asian racism in Oz was really stirred up in WW2 and lasted for at least 40 years afterward creating all sorts of injustices.
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Actually oz had its version of CEA back in the 19C,
Violent anti-Chinese riots appeared in Australia in the second half of the 19th century. By the mid-1850s, there were reportedly 17,000 Chinese working on Australia’s goldmines. Riots were reported as early as 1854, and a particularly nasty one was reported in 1861 when a brass band playing Rule Britannia provided the soundtrack to a few thousand white miners who attacked and set fire to a Chinese camp site and injured more than 500.
Nice to hear from a MOA vet.
Please post more Deb, !
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=2952
https://www.fridayeveryday.com/australias-yellow-peril-fear-is-rooted-in-history/
Posted by: denk | Aug 26 2023 7:19 utc | 192
Posted by: psychohistorian @ 190
I keep waiting for Maduro to say to the Emperor, “you are offering to lift some sanctions for us to export more oil to the USA?” That is fine, but first you make the UK give us back our gold, tell them a Chinese plane is on the way to pick it up and to take to Beijing for safe keeping.”
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 26 2023 8:03 utc | 193
hankster @ 183
interesting that in other nations high wind high hazard snow etc , power lines are built underground. the one off cost is more than made up by reduced maintenance. maybe its a usa thing to keep repairing a old broken idea every disaster
Of course, FYI:
The Shock Doctrine – The Rise of Disaster Capitalism
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 26 2023 8:11 utc | 194
BRICS+6 is an OK name, but I think we can do better. BRICS + AEEISU…
Yee-haw! Bricks! EEAU BRIICSS!
Bricks is eau (water), eh? BRICS IS EAU E? (Like water is life…)
Bricks is owie! BRICS IS AUEE!
Brie is sauce. BRIE IS SAUCE.
Beer is sucky. BEER IS SUCI.
Hey, you is crabsie? E U IS CRABSIE?
Cure is bae (sweetie)! CURE IISS BAE!
Ibis, you scary! IBIS U SCAREE!
I rescue bias. I RESCUE BIAS.
Base I cruise. BASE I CRUISE.
Hmm, my Scrabble anagram powers fail me. I need assistance.
Posted by: titmouse | Aug 26 2023 11:48 utc | 195
Interesting perspective on the Sahel unrest
Very Nobel of uncle Sam.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/15-us-backed-officers-12-west-african-coups/5830252
Posted by: jpc | Aug 26 2023 11:49 utc | 196
Do they know something we don’t?
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/76638
🇪🇺 The George Soros Open Society Foundation intends to seriously reduce programs in Europe, which is very worrying for grantees.
The Foundation informed its employees in Berlin that it plans to stop a significant part of its work in the EU. In particular, according to an internal email, which was reviewed by the Associated Press, the Berlin office is planned to be reduced by 80%.
“>https://apnews.com/article/george-soros-open-society-cuts-osf-d876ac44a899389e704f5482fa323da5
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 26 2023 13:00 utc | 197
@Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 26 2023 13:00 utc | 197
Seems Soros’ son is not such a regime-changing PoS as his crazy megolamaniac dad. Maybe they need all the money to keep control back at home?
Of course, the CIA, USAID, NED, and all the other US foundations will keep on with their interfering ways. Plus the British foreign office, the French….
Even on this side I can follow alot of pseudo-knowledge links concerning CHN and HER economics & co., which some barflies seem to believe for some “practical” reasons… even so many are aware of they’re citizens of the ×Empire Of Lies× which just has been using fabricated “free pet”-press since forever… spreading EOL’s propaganda, however, as much and as successful as possible…
Now completely obsessed with ECONOMIC DATA a la Bloomberg & others.
Have a look in your own mirror !!
REMEMBER ??!!
http://www.shadowstats.com/
https://nitter.net/GodfreeTrh
Godfree Roberts
@GodfreeTrh
1h
Don’t you just adore Adam Tooze?
He’s a British historian who knows nothing (beyond Fox News) about China or its economy, but is always ready to predict its doom based on the Current Thing.
Before you read Adam’s twaddle, reflect on this fact: ALL the usual, statistics based reports on China’s economy say its economy is booming: $1.5 trillion growth this year, with inflation around 1% and $25 trillion in ready cash.
God spare us.
Chartbook 234: Whither China? Part III: Policy hubris and the end of infallibility , by @adam_tooze open.substack.com/pub/adamto
ALSO:
Gavekal Economics: “Since the start of Covid, long-dated Chinese government bonds have outperformed long-dated US treasuries by 35%!
“In fact, Chinese bonds have been a beacon of stability.
You can look at recent market behavior and conclude that as Chinese banks have spent the last year outperforming US treasuries, the immediate problem is not in the Chinese financial system, but in the US treasury market itself.
“If so, we are entering a new world in which US treasuries can no longer be thought of as the bedrock on which to build portfolios”.
tinyurl.com/4p6cpvz2Want
Posted by: MD | Aug 26 2023 13:39 utc | 199
Godfree Roberts
@GodfreeTrh
Aug 23
On August 18, Southfront experienced something never seen before. The domain of their website [which cannot be mentioned here] was taken down – and get this:
Its domain delegation was removed) on the international level without any advance notice and explanation.
You can still get to SouthFront via Julian Macfarlane’s Substack.
Anyone who thinks Twitter isn’t censored is nuts. It’s the same old same old, except that Donald Trump is not demonized.
https://nitter.net/GodfreeTrh
Posted by: Ashino | Aug 26 2023 13:46 utc | 200