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August 16, 2023
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Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 16 2023 19:23 utc | 24:
Very well said, as your postings usually are. Today’s Russia is not USSR of the Cold War Era. It has no intention of building a global empire. From what I can gather they are sincere in their advocacy of multipolarity, same as China. They would rather leave Niger alone to its own discretions, whichever that ultimately turns out to be, unless Niger pleads for help against outside interferences. And if Niger does, I wouldn’t be surprised if China and Russia might team up and come to Africa’s rescue against Neocolonialism/Neo-imperialism. If that comes to pass, we will witness the ultimate humbling of the Mighty West a little ahead of schedule :-). Posted by: Oriental Voice | Aug 17 2023 6:53 utc | 101 Crooke specifically mentioning a new paper by opposition leading party AfD (with growing momentum I gather?) proposing that the EU project has failed and Europe must return to a federation of sovereign states. Posted by: laguerre | Aug 17 2023 6:56 utc | 102 Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 17 2023 6:23 utc | 95 Posted by: Passerby | Aug 17 2023 7:14 utc | 103 The World Cop has a Rapid Reaction Force capable of deployment anywhere on this planet within 24 hr . Posted by: denk | Aug 17 2023 7:28 utc | 104 laguerre 102 Posted by: Giyane | Aug 17 2023 8:00 utc | 105 … The phenomenon of wealthy people deliberately neglecting properties or other investments they own, so as to claim tax losses on them and minimise their tax liabilities on the more lucrative and productive investments they have, is not unusual. … Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 17 2023 8:00 utc | 106 Repirt from Southfront on Syria: Posted by: UWDude | Aug 17 2023 8:22 utc | 107 Posted by: laguerre | Aug 17 2023 6:56 utc | 102 Posted by: alek_a | Aug 17 2023 8:29 utc | 108 @laguerre | Aug 17 2023 6:56 utc | 102
Those countries are more than capable to destabilise themselves without Western help. Just look at Niger: it will be another disaster, and they’ll say that it is all white men’s fault. Not to mention that a great number of immigrants are from stable, even if criminally overcrowded, nations.
That is part of the consummerist, nihilistic lifestyle, alongside transgenderism.
The immigrants on average are just slightly more prolific than natives: the nihilistic lifestyle is contagious, especially among materialistic people. Posted by: SG | Aug 17 2023 8:30 utc | 109 Posted by: SG | Aug 17 2023 8:30 utc | 109 Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 17 2023 8:36 utc | 110 CONFRONTING MONETARY IMPERIALISM IN FRANCOPHONE AFRICA WITH NDONGO SAMBA SYLLA Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 17 2023 8:47 utc | 111 The industrial policy has been a disaster. Whole factories have been exported to China. The factories are not coming back; instead I know of physicists who moved to China. Posted by: Passerby | Aug 17 2023 8:54 utc | 112 The IMF and the Germans wreaking havoc in Northern Africa Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 17 2023 8:58 utc | 113 Posted by: alek_a | Aug 17 2023 8:29 utc | 108 Posted by: laguerre | Aug 17 2023 8:59 utc | 114 Posted by: SG | Aug 17 2023 8:30 utc | 109 Posted by: laguerre | Aug 17 2023 9:01 utc | 115 The consequences of isolating yourself can be seen in Brexit, a disaster for Britain. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 17 2023 9:05 utc | 116 The French would never accept loss of sovereignty. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 17 2023 9:08 utc | 117 @laguerre | Aug 17 2023 9:01 utc | 115 Posted by: zeke2u | Aug 17 2023 9:27 utc | 118 in order to advance and make the single market possible. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 17 2023 9:28 utc | 119 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 17 2023 9:05 utc | 116 Posted by: laguerre | Aug 17 2023 9:29 utc | 120 … As I’ve always said, never confuse the institution with the current personalities in charge, but he does. Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 17 2023 9:34 utc | 121 The single market is where all the nasty bits of the treaties fester. Posted by: laguerre | Aug 17 2023 9:39 utc | 122 More reactionary stuff. Nobody pretended Brexit was the only single-explanation disaster, but isolationism doesn’t work. The Brits have held back from putting the controls they negotiated into action, because they know the economy wouldn’t survive. And I’m afraid the Tories are lying to you, they’re fooling you into thinking Brexit is unimportant amongst many crises. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 17 2023 9:46 utc | 123 We have successfully divided and ruled Nato by leaving the EU. The US wantsvEurope to love its war against Russia, but Russia is in Europe and only an Indian or American PM could possibly pretend otherwise. Posted by: Giyane | Aug 17 2023 9:48 utc | 124 I go shopping laguerre and there is nothing I can’t buy now that I could buy before Brexit. Posted by: laguerre | Aug 17 2023 9:49 utc | 125 The EU is nightmare. Britain’s workers made the smart choice and retained British sovereignty. A sovereign nation should have its’ own currency. It should be able to control the flow of capital and labor across its’ borders. The idea of sovereignty and joining the EU is like freedom and being shackled in chains. Posted by: laguerre | Aug 17 2023 9:56 utc | 127 “…it translated Jens Stoltenberg as Jens Disastrous is that accurate, does the Nato chief’s surname really mean Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 17 2023 9:59 utc | 128 Posted by: laguerre | Aug 17 2023 9:29 utc | 120 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 17 2023 9:59 utc | 129 126 Posted by: Giyane | Aug 17 2023 10:06 utc | 130 Posted by: Passerby | Aug 17 2023 7:14 utc | 103 Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 17 2023 10:06 utc | 131 Inside the corporate dalek is a little alien creature. Posted by: Giyane | Aug 17 2023 10:09 utc | 132 The current leadership, as with Atlanticism generally, are a manifestation of interests and powers to which every part and particle the “institution” is utterly subordinate. Posted by: laguerre | Aug 17 2023 10:10 utc | 133 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 17 2023 9:59 utc | 129 Posted by: laguerre | Aug 17 2023 10:13 utc | 134 @ malenkov, #193, §181: Posted by: John Marks | Aug 17 2023 10:51 utc | 136 NONE of the myths or fear mongering came to pass that was spread far and wide by the neoliberal globalist gangsters set up in Brussels. None of them and why you scratch your head to try and even come up with one. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 17 2023 10:55 utc | 137 John Marks 136 Posted by: Giyane | Aug 17 2023 10:59 utc | 138 @laguerre | Aug 17 2023 9:01 utc | 115
Totally the opposite. It is obvious to everyone that the neo-liberal and neo-con establishment uses the immigrant crisis to maintain the status quo: this new lumpenproletariat is just a tool from the reactionary toolbox to weaken the working class and to make more profits for the ruling class. Posted by: SG | Aug 17 2023 11:14 utc | 139 Posted by: jpc | Aug 16 2023 15:42 utc | 1 Posted by: JB | Aug 17 2023 11:18 utc | 140 Left wingers were really on top of their game when it came to Brexit. The clever ones anyway. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 17 2023 11:39 utc | 141 Posted by: SG | Aug 17 2023 11:14 utc | 139 Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 17 2023 12:07 utc | 142 Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 17 2023 5:09 utc | 88 Posted by: Heavymetal101 | Aug 17 2023 12:11 utc | 143 I still have to get rid of something from the last thread
a timeline shows:
no one noticed the crap with the main supply lines from poland via the carpathian tunnel
More importantly, even on https://dzen.ru/a/ZNjKGWUcVjdoVNmI in the comments it is often pointed out that there is no evidence of an attack on the Carpathian tunnel. Posted by: ghiwen | Aug 17 2023 12:37 utc | 144 @ oracle | Aug 17 2023 1:41 utc | 60 Posted by: malenkov | Aug 17 2023 12:44 utc | 145 the neoliberal globalist gangsters set up in Brussels. Posted by: laguerre | Aug 17 2023 12:54 utc | 146 @ jpc | Aug 16 2023 15:42 utc | 1 Posted by: malenkov | Aug 17 2023 12:58 utc | 147 Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 17 2023 4:27 utc | 79 Posted by: fanto | Aug 17 2023 13:10 utc | 148 @ John Marks | Aug 17 2023 10:51 utc | 136 Posted by: malenkov | Aug 17 2023 13:11 utc | 149 Correction to previous! I forgot a crucial quotation mark. Recte: Posted by: malenkov | Aug 17 2023 13:16 utc | 150 A good article for Canadians on Ottawa’s role in Niger. Posted by: bevin | Aug 17 2023 13:32 utc | 151 Posted by: laguerre | Aug 17 2023 10:10 utc | 133 Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 17 2023 13:45 utc | 152 Posted by: Debsisdead Aug 17 2023 3:55 utc /73 Posted by: Bernard Davis | Aug 17 2023 14:49 utc | 153 @ pretzelattack | Aug 17 2023 12:07 utc | 143 Posted by: james | Aug 17 2023 15:23 utc | 154 @laguerre | Aug 17 2023 6:56 utc | 103 Posted by: Cyril | Aug 17 2023 15:46 utc | 155 Brexit and the Single Market Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 17 2023 16:40 utc | 156 China vs USAss
[SIC] ! Posted by: denk | Aug 17 2023 16:44 utc | 157 Paying close attention to the war in Ukraine. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 17 2023 16:48 utc | 158 Posted by: Refinnejenna | Aug 16 2023 22:56 utc | 47 Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 17 2023 16:52 utc | 159 @ Tannenhouser | Aug 17 2023 16:52 utc | 160 Posted by: james | Aug 17 2023 17:13 utc | 160 indian punchline from today.. Posted by: james | Aug 17 2023 17:23 utc | 161 Posted by: laguerre | Aug 17 2023 6:56 utc | 103 Posted by: fanto | Aug 17 2023 13:10 utc | 149 Echo Chamber@159 Posted by: bevin | Aug 17 2023 18:00 utc | 164 https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/national-disgrace-photos-leaked-horrific-january-6-prisoner/ Re: Posted by: LogosApplied | Aug 17 2023 18:38 utc | 166 Posted by: TGL | Aug 16 2023 18:22 utc | 16 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 17 2023 19:12 utc | 167 Luna-25 is scheduled to land near the Lunar south pole in a few days
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/59255 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 17 2023 19:12 utc | 168 https://notthebee.com/article/dont-get-distracted Germany & NATO spending Posted by: AG | Aug 17 2023 19:23 utc | 170 For those who missed 2015 Nobel Prize winner Angus Deaton’s, Adam Smith Tercentenary Lecture at the University of Glasgow in June the Boston Review has published it. It’s long. It’s about Libertarian economists and the deaths they are responsible for and this is a small excerpt. Posted by: bevin | Aug 17 2023 22:59 utc | 171 Tannenhouser @ 160: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Aug 17 2023 23:08 utc | 172 @ Posted by: Heavymetal101 | Aug 17 2023 12:11 utc | 144 Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 17 2023 23:13 utc | 173 Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 17 2023 18:03 utc | 166 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 17 2023 23:20 utc | 174 In the spirit of the above comment on brevity and the war engaged upon and ably fought by laguerre 😉 -I believe he is winning as easily as the SMO and because I have to get up early, I will just state the following on the subject being ‘discussed’ at least by one side , because we have to take sides :- Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 17 2023 23:24 utc | 175 Re: The Gateway Pundit’s newfound alarm at solitary confinement and judicial overreach in the case of Ryan Samsel…
So he was already under warrant for a new violent crime and on probation for a previous one when he committed another act of violence on January 6 – also against a woman (cop). All of which is conveniently left out of their story, when in every previous article on alleged Black criminals or “members of Antifa”, they are sure to include everything on the suspect’s rap sheet. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 17 2023 23:25 utc | 176 The name “Stoltenberg” has been discussed here before: Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 18 2023 4:00 utc | 177 So what’s the deal with Niger? Here you have a people who want the French boot off their neck above all else, and who express their hopes by waving the Russian flag. Is Moscow really just going to sit out an ECOWAS intervention? Sure it’s uncomfortable for Russia to support a coup regime; isn’t that exactly why they have Wagner–to do things with some deniability? Anyway, with the current timing, it’d be clear that you didn’t act to bolster the coup, but merely to prevent an invasion. Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Aug 18 2023 4:03 utc | 178 And since “languages” does Pfuscherwaffen (say it out loud) meaning “blunderweapon” make any sense as a German word? (I don’t know). Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 18 2023 4:04 utc | 179 An off topic post someone made in the ukie ‘open’ thread aka warporn addicts anonymous, reminded me that I had found an excellent map of all the ecowas nations surrounding Niger including those the drug dealer had ‘suspended’. Enjoy for reference when pondering who is who & which side they are on. Chad like the Gambia could be a Niger ally but odds are high they’re both enemies of Niger’s liberation. Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 18 2023 4:47 utc | 180 @Passerby | Aug 17 2023 5:40 utc | 92
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/i/RGw9b8/nato-topp-nyanserer-uttalelse-ukraina-bestemmer-fredsvilkaar
If you believe that was a mistake “I have a bridge to sell you” as Mercouris would say.
The article is poorly written with several inaccuracies, misprints and oral style language that is hard to translate with precision. The statement that “the Ukraine war did not start in 2020” is an obvious example of poor quality writing.
That is the essence of the article. Total denial of realities I must add. Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 18 2023 5:40 utc | 181 @Debsisdead | Aug 17 2023 6:46 utc | 100
LOL, that is certainly poetic license. But I do agree that he is disastrous. Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 18 2023 5:54 utc | 182 @Tannenhouser | Aug 17 2023 16:52 utc | 160
The physics of what is observable from here speaks clearly. Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 18 2023 6:17 utc | 183 @108 UWDude Posted by: fk | Aug 18 2023 7:33 utc | 184 @fk | Aug 18 2023 7:33 utc | 185
https://southfront.org/ Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 18 2023 7:50 utc | 185 So I was able to get to twatter using a link someone suggested here some weeks ago but it seems to have gone dead – https://nitter.kavin.rocks . Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 18 2023 10:29 utc | 186 Glenn Greenwald digs into the intricacies, the hypocrisies, and broader implications of the New Trump Indictment in Georgia – and it’s so dangerous – Presents Now-Familiar Dangers – the use of Lawfare globally targeting politicians not only Trump. He covers a lot of territory it’s worth viewing imo. It’s chilling. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Aug 18 2023 10:55 utc | 187 Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 17 2023 5:09 utc | 88 Posted by: snake | Aug 18 2023 10:58 utc | 188 Glenn Greenwald digs into the intricacies, the hypocrisies, and broader implications of the New Trump Indictment in Georgia – and it’s so dangerous – Presents Now-Familiar Dangers – the use of Lawfare globally targeting politicians not only Trump. He covers a lot of territory it’s worth viewing imo. It’s chilling. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Aug 18 2023 10:58 utc | 189 Posted by: bevin | Aug 17 2023 18:00 utc | 165 Posted by: migueljose | Aug 18 2023 11:42 utc | 190 Tom_Q_Collins @177: “…when in every previous article on alleged Black criminals or “members of Antifa”, they are sure to include everything on the suspect’s rap sheet.” Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 18 2023 13:50 utc | 191 @Norwegian | Aug 18 2023 7:50 utc | 186 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 18 2023 15:23 utc | 192 Dmitry Orlov pooping on the west is always fun, latest: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 18 2023 15:56 utc | 193 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 17 2023 4:16 utc | 78 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Aug 17 2023 6:45 utc | 99 Posted by: TGL | Aug 16 2023 18:22 utc | 16 Posted by: horseguards | Aug 18 2023 16:59 utc | 196 Posted by: bevin | Aug 16 2023 18:57 utc | 18 Posted by: horseguards | Aug 18 2023 17:18 utc | 197 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2023 20:43 utc | 32 Posted by: horseguards | Aug 18 2023 18:09 utc | 198 ZH has a posting up with the title Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 18 2023 19:29 utc | 199 Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2023 16:44 utc | 196 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Aug 18 2023 19:47 utc | 200 |
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