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August 2, 2023
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Today there was an awards ceremony: “The ceremony of presenting the highest state awards by the President was held in the Catherine Hall of the Kremlin of the Russian Federation.” There was one particular acceptance speech that stuck out as the recipient wasn’t a soldier but a writer. Here’s what Putin said of him prior to the presentation and his speech:
I think the west is about to get smashed in west Africa especially after Pain alluded to the fact that it is time to protect the sovereignty of the borders of the countries that hike such precious minerals and the French in particular are going to get embarrassed like never before. I would love to see the battle plans of the African countries in conjunction with the Russians assisting. Can see how the west can Yelp about this especially after assisting Nazikraine with targeting information along the front. Should be very interesting. I hope the African Union comes out stronger in this regard to military force. Posted by: Tonymike1918 | Aug 2 2023 16:17 utc | 2 Great speech. Thanks for posting it, karlof1. Nuclear Option: US downgraded. Posted by: jared | Aug 2 2023 16:35 utc | 4 The last part of:
Posted by: Toby C | Aug 2 2023 16:46 utc | 5 How propaganda works and how US politicians get American voters to vote for them. Video put together by American university students to show the absurdity of it all. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 2 2023 16:51 utc | 6 As we get closer to the American election. American voters are going to be drowned with this kind of stuff and China used as the bogyman under every bed. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 2 2023 17:03 utc | 7 https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/02/republicans-who-dont-impeach-biden-et-al-now-are-part-of-the-partisan-prosecution-problem/ West Africa is problematic in terms of imperial overstretch, and that era is now for the US and Europe. Can the Biden admin run two hot conflicts at the same time? Is there enough ISR to really cover both fully? We should assume that a good number of the men the US would use for a small African conflict are currently sheep dipped and in Ukraine. Not all of them, same goes for France. But the issue is stretching capabilities. It’s the same issue with munitions for the US. They’re not all gone by any stretch but they can’t all be put in one place without making problems elsewhere. Posted by: Lex | Aug 2 2023 17:12 utc | 9
Does anyone know of a good article or website to precisely explain what occurred in Niger and its after effects? Thank you. Posted by: Jose Garcia | Aug 2 2023 17:26 utc | 11 Global Times observes the implosion of the political process within the Outlaw US Empire, “Trump indicted with high support rate as US democracy accelerates decadence”, where I find it very hard not to agree with the conclusion: An update on superconductivity for our science sipping barflies, “Chinese scientists successfully synthesize magnetic levitation-enabled LK-99 crystal”, although it’s not the great breakthrough that’s awaited. However, it is advancement: Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 2 2023 17:10 utc | 8 Posted by: Passerby | Aug 2 2023 18:12 utc | 14 I see that vile stain Trudeau has been left by his wife. Posted by: jpc | Aug 2 2023 18:19 utc | 15 One of the concerns about anything digital or computer related is the security of the system and integrity of the operators, and is one of the prime objections to digital currencies. I wasn’t altogether indifferent to that issue in my article on digital currencies, but I do want to share this article authored by an IBM team about the security in the quantum computing age that we’ll soon enter into. Published last December, it’s a tad dated, but remains quite relevant. @11 Jose Garcia: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Aug 2 2023 18:39 utc | 17 If you have a 15 mins, go watch Jimmy Dore’s RFKjr. interview on our open borders. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 2 2023 18:39 utc | 18 @Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 2 2023 18:39 utc | 18
Well, only the leftists are right here. Removing impediments to the movement of labor makes labor a cheaper commodity over time in places where there are shortages of labor and laborers thereby presently can demand higher payment. It also ultimately means places where workers are leaving will have to contend with tighter labor markets, giving workers who stay behind better bargaining power. Unregulated immigration while there’s a free market in labor is bad for workers who currently enjoy above equilibrium wage rates, but deportations of people who have made a life here is inhumane and unethical, and no wage rate differential can ever justify it. Posted by: fnord | Aug 2 2023 19:16 utc | 19 Posted by: fnord | Aug 2 2023 19:16 utc | 19 Tucker does Devon Archer: @19 fnord Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 2 2023 19:37 utc | 22 The room temperature superconductor went viral but most scientists think it’s a fraud until it has multiple scientists reproducing it, especially as it isn’t that hard to make theoretically. Posted by: Matthew | Aug 2 2023 19:47 utc | 23 A map of how the sides have lined up in central Africa: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 2 2023 19:59 utc | 24 fnord clearly didn’t watch the video. RFK, Jr. interviewed the 300 people coming over the border one night, and only 2 of them were from Latin America. The rest were from all over the world, so the usual liberal self-flagellation that insists that American workers must pay the consequences of American empire’s crimes doesn’t even apply here. Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 2 2023 20:12 utc | 25 For the covid crowd Posted by: heavymetal101 | Aug 2 2023 20:12 utc | 26 jpc@15….she sampled the forbidden fruit a few years ago, that she went back to that clown of a carpet begger. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 2 2023 20:21 utc | 27 @ Posted by: Lex | Aug 2 2023 17:12 utc | 9 Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 2 2023 20:43 utc | 28 Edward Snowden Cries “watch this before its DELETED”
end transcript excerpt Posted by: Toby C | Aug 2 2023 20:54 utc | 29 @ Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 2 2023 18:09 utc | 13 Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 2 2023 20:55 utc | 30 The holy grail of room-temperature superconductivity apparently remains elusive, claims of a “new era for humankind” from a couple of weird Korean papers notwithstanding…
https://phys.org/news/2023-07-viral-room-temperature-superconductor-excitementand-skepticism.html Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 2 2023 21:12 utc | 31 Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 2 2023 20:12 utc | 25 Matthew | Aug 2 2023 19:47 utc | 23 I think Russia has everything to do with this. France has screwed Russia from 2014-2022 and this is payback in the hybrid war. Oil, gas – uranium, Russia is putting Europe’s balls in a vise. If it had not been for the hubbub of the Wagner “coup” Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 2 2023 22:24 utc | 34 I do not know where RFK II went to interview supposed immigrants on the US southern border, but the majority at the moment are from Venezuela. This is of course due to the US sanctions on that country which stretch back decades and were really tightened by Trump with Elliot Abrams and other neocon imperialists advising him. The hatred for successful socialist governments such as that of Chavez and Castro in the Western Hemisphere is borne of Chomsky’s “the threat of a good example”. Posted by: crimeariver | Aug 2 2023 22:27 utc | 35 @15, @27 Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 2 2023 22:29 utc | 36
This has been said before, but it cannot be said enough. Posted by: malenkov | Aug 2 2023 22:30 utc | 37 The Jimmy Dore interview spent a lot of time on RFKjr’s drug addiction particularly heroin, I must say America’s come a long, long way since his uncle and dad’s time that’s for sure. America has all through its history had great empathy for those who veered from the path of righteousness only to struggle back into virtue. It is maybe the USA’s last remaining folk narrative still tied to reality, and in a country overwhelmed by opioid trauma it will resonate strongly. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 2 2023 22:44 utc | 38 Hungary has the tighest control on its borders and most unfriendly of governments for immigrants of any European country that I know. Some on this page have it backwards. The people fleeing to here [or to the USA] do not come because they fear their own governments. They fear not being able to eat, have jobs or their home and country being destroyed by outside governments or the tyranically evil puppet governments supported by the neo colonialists and imperialists. They do, as in the USA, fear our government and they still try to come. The same thing as in the USA. For certain some small minority does flee their home government but the waves and caravans and boatmen coming here and going there are leaving countries touched by the boot of American and European NATO imperialism. Or to say it differently in all of man’s history the movement of large numbers of people from one country to another is not political but economic. It is in the destination countries where the most of them face political repression. Posted by: crimeariver | Aug 2 2023 22:55 utc | 39 “…..only 2 of them were from Latin America. The rest were from all over the world, so the usual liberal self-flagellation that insists that American workers must pay the consequences of American empire’s crimes doesn’t even apply here….” Scorpion@32 Posted by: bevin | Aug 2 2023 23:01 utc | 40
Umm, no. That redemption narrative works only when one Accepts Jesus Christ as One’s Lord and Saviour. Otherwise one remains damaged goods. Ask Tom Eagleton. Posted by: malenkov | Aug 2 2023 23:12 utc | 41 Posted by: Sentient | Aug 2 2023 17:28 utc | 16 Posted by: heavymetal101 | Aug 2 2023 23:15 utc | 42 re Lira: any border crossing I’ve come a cross you must first pass the control of the country you are exiting before the one you are entering. Sometimes across friendly countries, in times of peace, one or the other might just wave people through, but these are not amicable times in Europe. I don’t know how Lira planned to avoid Ukrainian customs, that’s why the whole story is fishy. If he had said, last night I gave my phone to a homeless guy, this morning I paid a trucker to take my motorcycle with the SBU airtag in it back to Kharkov, now I’m off to crawl across the woods into Hungary I might have bought it. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 2 2023 23:15 utc | 43 malenkov @ 40
There’s a lot more to the American population than the Christian right. Like I said, the country has changed much since 1972. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 2 2023 23:23 utc | 44
The country has changed, but its cherished narratives have not. So indeed one could argue that the USA hasn’t changed at all. And I’m going with that. Posted by: malenkov | Aug 2 2023 23:27 utc | 45 I see that the usual reactionaries are peddling the usual lies and distortions about immigrants into amerika. They fatuously claim that only native american migrants can claim to be victims of amerikan imperialism, theft, coups and wars powered in the name of amerikan profiteering. This of course completely ignores the reality that for more than 140 years amerikan governments and their bum-buddies in amerikan businesses have been raping, looting, murdering and destroying anything anywhere in the world that may benefit any amerikan greedy’s short term bottom line. Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 2 2023 23:30 utc | 46 “The D.C. does not want to let you know that when the credit rating goes down, interest rates will go up. ” Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 2 2023 23:55 utc | 47 To state that the latest efforts in superconductivity can be extrapolated out to long distance transmission, huge gains in electrical generation, etc. is absolute rubbish. It is indeed a fundamental breakthrough but the basic resources required to accomplish it and apply it broadly simply do not exist. To expand it beyond bench top or even highly specialised applications will cost trillions and will rapidly come up against limits. Bottom line is it is not a source of energy and will only perpetuate exponential demand for more FF energy and materials which are not there in the amounts to make any sort of difference. Posted by: jef | Aug 2 2023 23:56 utc | 48 America, America… why would anyone who lives here in the US worry about immigration and the standard Mexicans are held to? With the low life people that live here, how can we say anything about anyone who crosses the border? Drug dealers? we already accept them here in America, cities are full of them. Sex traffickers yeah, we got lots of them in DC thanks to Epstein’s buddies in Washington. The way I see it, anything or anybody that crosses the border is head and shoulders above what we already have here in this country. And more than likely most Mexicans will be an improvement over most Americans! Besides Europe people in the world are in every way better than we are here in America. Posted by: Dferg | Aug 2 2023 23:57 utc | 49 Pure and utter hatred for the average American on display here by the usual suspects. I didn’t ask my gov’t to go into Iraq. I didn’t want my gov’t to prop up dictators in Latin America. And I also didn’t ask for illegals to flood into the U.S. and drain our social services at the threat of not only our livelihoods as blue-collar wage-earners, but also their lives to the powerful organizations for human trafficking and the groups that seek to dismantle the homogeneity that is the only capable force of taking down the int’l elite that give the U.S. its marching orders. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 3 2023 0:07 utc | 50 “I didn’t ask my gov’t” writes the Hitler worshipper. As if it mattered what he did or didn’t ask. Posted by: malenkov | Aug 3 2023 0:12 utc | 51 I’ve produced a follow up article to the Russia-Africa Summit that provides the Russian government’s analysis on the affair along with a Niger update and Maria Z’s Summit analysis, and I finally discovered who was wearing the Putin shirt, “Post Africa-Russia Summit Internal Russian Government Reaction”. @ malenkov Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 3 2023 0:21 utc | 53 How propaganda works – the same old framing and some old narratives Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 3 2023 0:25 utc | 54 @ Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 2 2023 19:24 utc | 20
The labor is so needed that many millions of work visas are granted so that farms in the west can have people work the harvest. Of course, it is always a surprise to hear Birchites argue that what we really need is more big government bureaucrats determining “need” instead of allowing the free market to determine that – if the illegal immigrants weren’t needed in the job market, obviously they wouldn’t find jobs, and yet they seem to always end up in jobs somehow.
As a kind of an anarchist, in ethos anyway, I do in fact believe that lawlessness is often better than lawfulness. You won’t find a more lawful place than a prison or a concentration camp, which seems to be the model social institution for the right-wing everywhere.
Warmed over import substitution developmentalism that was ironically put into practice most monstrously by the Khmer Rouge, who thought they could close off Cambodia to the outside world and become an autarkic rice exporter. Cuba presently suffers under such a system which has been imposed on them by military force, the US blockade, and it has been a major struggle to end that blockade because autarky sucks, actually. Posted by: fnord | Aug 3 2023 0:34 utc | 55 Also just to add in response to another reply, which was full of other statements in the “shit someone just made up” category, RFK2 is simply not a reliable source about anything, let alone the demographic composition of undocumented immigrants. RFK2 is just a kook with a lot of money and powerful friends (actually, connections in the CIA, if you’re ever interested in following that rabbit hole), and anyone who knows this kind of asshole knows that these types just love to hear themselves talk. Posted by: fnord | Aug 3 2023 0:40 utc | 56 How to avoid the one party nation state propaganda in 9 easy steps. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 3 2023 0:47 utc | 57 @54 fnord Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 3 2023 0:52 utc | 58 @ 55 fnord Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 3 2023 0:57 utc | 59 Echo Chamber @ 46 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 3 2023 1:06 utc | 60 re NemesisCalling | Aug 3 2023 0:21 utc | 52: Posted by: malenkov | Aug 3 2023 2:03 utc | 61 For some people who would believe Vladimir Putin saved Russia, https://www.reddit.com/r/AskARussian/comments/1589qd2 is a thread where Russians answered about this to sober all of you. Posted by: La Mousse Blanche | Aug 3 2023 2:25 utc | 62 @ La Mousse Blanche | Aug 3 2023 2:25 utc | 61 Posted by: malenkov | Aug 3 2023 2:48 utc | 63 Oh, spit! I just lost the whole of a long post about Hiroshima Day (this Sunday) and various events/vigils/rallies that people might want to note and to go to, if near them. Posted by: Hope | Aug 3 2023 3:02 utc | 64 What stereotypes about Russia were reproduced ? Posted by: La Mousse Blanche | Aug 3 2023 3:02 utc | 65 Re: “Illegal immigrants”
Excerpts from the book & link to the full text:
Posted by: Toby C | Aug 3 2023 3:11 utc | 66 LK-99 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 3 2023 3:15 utc | 67 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 3 2023 0:07 utc | 49 Absolutely no surprise to see that nemesis’ only rejoinder is ad-hominem combined with a large sprinkle of emotive deceits “I didn’t ask my govt. . . ” maybe not but you were content to enjoy the benefits of the rapes, murders & thefts committed by your government, otherwise you wouldn’t remain an amerikan would you? Your naive patriotism combined with your adherence to old wives’ tales reveals that much. Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 3 2023 3:55 utc | 69 Aye did not waaaahnt my country to invade and destroy allllll those countrues!!! Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 3 2023 4:36 utc | 70 Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 3 2023 3:55 utc | 68 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 3 2023 4:38 utc | 71 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 3 2023 0:07 utc | 49 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 3 2023 4:41 utc | 72 There’s a lot more to the American population than the Christian right. Like I said, the country has changed much since 1972. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 3 2023 4:44 utc | 73 Posted by: Toby C | Aug 3 2023 3:11 utc | 65 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 3 2023 4:47 utc | 74 That said, I find the mentality of wishing others harm deplorably toxic. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 3 2023 4:54 utc | 75 maybe not but you were content to enjoy the benefits of the rapes, murders & thefts committed by your government..
As for USAss perpetual wars,
What about those psycho who run the USAss, who elected them ?
This is the prevalent ‘wn’ etho,
Posted by: denk | Aug 3 2023 5:10 utc | 76 I saw many comments about the USSR by the Russians in their summit with the Africans. Interesting how Putin is having to follow the Soviet path in regards of geopolitics. How much is Russia involved in the Niger crisis?? The army just came out with their coup, now all of the sudden?? A new anti colonial Russian crusade would be just crucial to weaken the collective waste. Putin should have an eye on creating a couple more “Nigers” all over the world. Such a shame Castro and Chavez are not around anymore, they could have encouraged the warm spirited crypto leftists like Obrador and Lula to back Russian antiimperialists efforts. Posted by: Mariátegui | Aug 3 2023 6:19 utc | 77 Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 3 2023 3:55 utc | 68 Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 3 2023 6:26 utc | 78 Posted by: Wondrous | Aug 2 2023 15:55 utc | 263 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 3 2023 6:48 utc | 79 Guy walks into a bar in Texas and sees an antique lantern on a table. Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 3 2023 6:55 utc | 80 Thank you debsisdead, Tom-Q-Collins and the majority of commenters here on this subject. Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 3 2023 8:12 utc | 81 @Mariátegui | Aug 3 2023 6:19 utc | 76 Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 3 2023 8:28 utc | 82 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 3 2023 1:06 utc | 59 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 3 2023 9:19 utc | 83 The White House will ask Congress to fund arms for Taiwan as part of a supplemental budget request for Ukraine Financial Times Posted by: Passerby | Aug 3 2023 9:25 utc | 84 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 3 2023 1:06 utc | 59 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Aug 3 2023 9:48 utc | 85 Back on the rice ban thing. … if pressure from the US primarily led to the export ban on non-basmati rice from India (potentially depriving non-India nations of dosas and idlys!) — then, perhaps, we can look at Arkansas’ Asa Hutchinson as a likely key influencer of that. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 3 2023 10:30 utc | 86 Canada and Australia having Uranium Posted by: too scents | Aug 3 2023 10:51 utc | 87 No offence, but I’m not sure these comments by this or that barfly really provide solid info on the uranium situation in Canada. For that, look for Cameco, headquartered in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 3 2023 11:01 utc | 88 Hello MoA. Today I’m going to pick up some loose ends going bavck to older threats and some of the thoughts I’ve been having since. There will be a personal twist, or even accent, on the matter I chose to develop my thinking a little further. Posted by: persiflo | Aug 3 2023 11:03 utc | 89
Yeah, because it is a lot better from the point of view of developing countries to let EU gobble up all the grain and re-buy at 5x prices. Posted by: unimperator | Aug 3 2023 11:15 utc | 90 @ “… out of FDR, Stalin, and Hitler, Hitler was clearly the most honest and peaceful among them. Just got a little carried away thinking he could defeat the world, but the war was definitely not his fault. Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 3 2023 11:19 utc | 91 I’ll try it in smaller chunks. Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 3 2023 11:24 utc | 93 Part 3 Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 3 2023 11:29 utc | 94 Must be part 2 the filter is having problems with – never mind. Another days dance perhaps. Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 3 2023 11:31 utc | 95 DunGroanin, you can’t bring up Empire and Banks at this particular moment without mentioning that the Bank of England just now raised interest rates to 5.25% (I happened to be in the right place – BNN Bloomberg – at the right time to hear the latest.) And that’s a day after the USA’s rating was lowered. For those who understand how currency markets work (not me), that probably means something important. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 3 2023 11:31 utc | 96 something important. Posted by: too scents | Aug 3 2023 11:38 utc | 97 @ Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 3 2023 11:31 utc | 94 Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 3 2023 12:25 utc | 98 There it is …
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