Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
July 20, 2023
Weak Propaganda Talk

From the Ukrainian Pravda, July 20, 2023 (machine translation):

The Ukrainian military in the south is advancing hundreds of meters every day – the National Guard

Every day, the Ukrainian military makes a gradual movement several hundred meters to the south and southeast.

Source: Military Media Center , which cites the words of the director of the department of planning for the use of the Main Directorate of the National Guard of Ukraine, Colonel Mykola Urshalovych

Direct speech: "In extremely difficult conditions of mined terrain and enemy fire… our assault groups, supported by tanks and artillery, continue their gradual movement to the south and southeast, displacing the invaders from Ukrainian land. Our soldiers and officers are literally gnawing through the enemy's defenses.

Every day we advance several hundred meters."

Prehistory:

  • Earlier, the commander of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Oleksandr Syrskyi said that although the counteroffensive is taking place more slowly than it would be desirable, the Defense Forces are still advancing daily with battles at a distance of 500 m to 1 km.

The Ukrainian counteroffensive began on June 5, 2023. The (Ukraine friendly) LiveUAmap on that day looked like this:


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Forty five days have passed since the counter-offensive was launched. Today the map looks like this:



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In the eastward direction just south of Bakhmut/Artyomovsk open fields and some tree rows at a depth of 6,000 meters changed hand. No settlement was taken. In the southern direction during the 5,500 meter advance of the Ukrainians south of Velyka Novosilka six small, empty settlements were taken. (Small = one is literally named 'Five huts'). In the most western part, south of Orikiv, the advance was some 7,000 meter with two small settlements.

Over the last days the front lines in the south have not moved at all. The fighting north and south of Bakhmut has been back and forth for a while and the frontline there is somewhat not defined and largely not really moving. 

All attacks came to a halt in the security zone before the real and hardened Russian defense lines.

Forty five days times 'several hundred meters' are at least 9,000 meter. That hasn't been reached anywhere.

The aim of the counter-offensive was to reach the Sea of Azov, some 100 kilometer south of the frontline. At the current speed it would take the Ukrainian army 1,000 days (and many more soldiers and material than it has) to reach it.

Why do General Syrskyi and Colonel Urshalovych think they can fool the Ukrainian people and their soldiers with such weak propaganda talk?

Comments

Really, seriously. Americans believe they are invincible and the only reason anyone would believe otherwise is mental illness.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 20 2023 16:59 utc | 36
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For the first time and openly RSD449 Tupolev Tu-214SR doomsday plane, makes rounds around Murmansk. I have never seen that before. WTF.
Posted by: whirlX | Jul 20 2023 17:07 utc | 39
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Americans do believe they are invincible. The defeat in Afghanistan taught them nothing. MSM thrives on the meme that ‘American can do no wrong.’ Viva Pax Americana.
Sending the doomsday plane around might be to ensure that should mistakes be made, they can be corrected in short order. Russia is in this to succeed.
There is some end game in the planning stages. Destroying every single port in Ukraine does send a message.
Milley’s words the other day were to a target audience in need of reassurance. He knows what is going on. It is just not politically acceptable.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 20 2023 21:01 utc | 101

Hey Joe, Hey Jane!
Who’s winning the war in Ukraine?
Answer: I don’t know.
Do you really care?
Answer: Not really.

Posted by: John2007 | Jul 20 2023 21:10 utc | 102

@LightYearsFromHome | Jul 20 2023 19:11 utc | 82

it was like all at once, in one instance, no deliberation, and not just in yellow ribbon support the troops USA but across “skeptical” and “educated” Europe.

They were prepped by Operation COVID . It’s called Mass Formation. Read Mattias Desmet’s “The Psychology of Totalitarianism” for more information.

Posted by: cirsium | Jul 20 2023 21:19 utc | 103

Re Americans’ sense of invincibility (oldhippie #36 and #101):
IMO, there is a cognitive dissonance in Americans’ minds between the war in Ukraine and the vincibility of US armed forces. The rare American who perceives danger to himself or his country is concerned only about nuclear escalation; the others are mostly unconcerned or are concerned only about the short-term economic effects on themselves, most of which they perceive to be caused by the current federal government or by woke corporations.
As Paul Craig Roberts has labelled them for years, Americans are insouciant. As a result, the idiots will run the asylum until it all comes crashing down.

Posted by: Ciaran | Jul 20 2023 21:24 utc | 104

Susan, UWD, Light Years, PeterAU
First was the covid. Every rolled over and played dead and saluted authority. The only virtues were obedience and submission. It took everyone I ever knew who ever had an independent thought. There’s a Mennonite church around the corner from me, I am irreligious but have always gotten along well with Mennonites, they bought covid and bought into Ukraine unanimously. A peace church since they existed but peace is Russophobic in current century. “The Russians started it” so Ukraine is the good guys.
The gentleman I met was someone I sort of knew from bike racing. Mutual friends and we must have raced against each other at one time. An attorney without a political bone in his body. But also a background in journalism. Which of course no longer exists. He watched over the years as his journalism pals turned on Assange. Right now, his opinion, there is nothing left but yellow press and gutter press. Volkischer Beobachter alll the time. As an attorney who works with evidence and logic he saw covid exploiters working with no evidence, no logic, reaching numbing levels of social control. The other place we met was abused children, both of us have done some work there. Seeing small children mutilated and seeing it called Woke is just too much. Caring parents making decisions that would have been perceived as pure Dr. Mengele only a short time ago is too perverse to understand.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 20 2023 21:33 utc | 105

“People can’t fight wars on a timeline. A statement like this is pointless since progression is never linear for any long time.”
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Jul 20 2023 17:00 utc | 37″
It wasn’t the Russians who started the “timeline” I thought the folks in Kiev would be fishing off the pier in Crimea this summer during their vacation. humm? It has always been Kiev that sets timelines and victory dates. Russia has always said, as long as it takes.

Posted by: Dferg | Jul 20 2023 21:37 utc | 106

Milley’s words the other day were to a target audience in need of reassurance. He knows what is going on. It is just not politically acceptable.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 20 2023 21:01 utc | 101
Some political hacks in the pentagon can can obviously still do the mathematics of warfare as can the bean counters that own the American politicians.
US covered its flight from Afghanistan by launching full on proxy war against Russia. Soon we will see Ukroids falling off the landing gear of US aircraft as they depart and US will launch its war against China to divert the attention of the goldfish.
The joint Russia China exercises… Russia setting up an early warning system for China. The Russian military is a mathematical destruction machine that goes back to the time of Jughashvili. Putin’s Russia has set up to end WWII. For the Soviet Union, it was the great patriotic war, for China it was both the invasion of Japan and the revolution that booted out the European imperialists.
China and the province of Taiwan, NK and SK, the US has never let those days end. Japan, Germany and I think Italy, under their surrender terms are still occupied enemy states.
Years ago when my children were young, they and my wife would get some videos each time they went to town and I would watch some of them with the kids.
There was one, lord of the rings or something a large number of zombies were made from the dirt. There was one scene – the zombies tunneled under a fortification and packed it with barrels of gunpowder. The flame bearer was cheered by the zombies as he run in carrying the torch and all the zombies in there cheered as he dove into the gunpowder.
I see that in the people about me, I see that in the Ukroids.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 20 2023 21:57 utc | 107

In response to KD@66,
Ukraine is as much a nation as people and their immediate neighbors are a community; by definition. That continues to be true even when you don’t know any of your neighbors, don’t care what happens to them, don’t actively participate in any neighborhood activities and focus exclusively on your individual concerns — it is easy to imagine what happens to such a community or to such groups of individuals when a crisis occurs that needs to be addressed as a group.
This mentality is prevalent everywhere, but in Ukraine it has become a matter of national character. In common parlance, it is referred to by the phrase моя хата с краю which translates as “my house is on the outskirt” implying that whatever is going on in the village proper has nothing to do with me. This attitude has been cultivated and reinforced due to the political climate in the country, particularly since the 2014 coup, which legitimized violent reprisals against and killing of public figures in opposition with the direction the country was taking at the time. Even supposedly serious political representatives of opposition parties stuck to the mantra that they were doing their important work and whatever chaos was being created around them by the ruling elites and their pet neo-Nazi mob was a separate issue which had nothing to do with them and wasn’t worth mentioning.
In other words, most normal people gave up on trying to influence the course of events, in what was nominally their country, a long time ago for their own protection and instead focused on exclusively personal affairs where, if they kept their heads down and managed to avoid unwanted attention, they could pretend to live a normal life. Crimea, Donetsk & Lugansk were the exception.
One could see the phenomenon in action in videos of the forced conscription that is taking place, especially at the beginning, when crowds of young men initially snickered at somebody being dragged away kicking and screaming, before themselves being dragged away, also kicking and screaming. Today, it’s mostly women and children filming, always saying “Someone should do something. This isn’t right.” before returning to their picnic.
In either case, any type of organized or impulse driven collective action would rapidly change the dynamic of the situation, but the fabric of Ukrainian society is atomized to such a degree that it appears impossible. Worryingly, Western society appears no better in this regard and demonstrates many of the same tendencies which, in an existential crisis such as the one faced by Ukraine, would undoubtedly reach an analogous crescendo.
It’s not easy to determine whether it’s a terminal condition for the general public, that even if they see an open door they will refuse to leave the cage out of habit, or if people are waiting for the balance of power to shift in their favor before taking action. Although Ukraine is rapidly exhausting its military potential, internal security doesn’t appear to have degraded in the slightest.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 20 2023 22:02 utc | 108

In response to Peter AU1@107,
Those weren’t zombies, Peter. Those were Orcs! And everyone knows that Orcs are the Russians whereas the US/EU+Ukraine are the beautiful and ancient race of Elves. :swoon:
Unfortunately, they will now have to remake LotR to feature scenes of Elves trying to swarm Orcish fortifications, trying to drown the Orcs in their blood, to stay true to the analogy.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 20 2023 22:10 utc | 109

‘from Putin’s meatgrinder tactics to the drone-derived pinpoint accuracy of Ukrainian ordnance’, if these are two of the main determinants for the high casualty rate, suffered by Russia, then it stands to reason that if these are replicated, regarding the UA, then it too will suffer high casualty rates.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 20 2023 22:16 utc | 110

Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 20 2023 22:02 utc | 108
Everyone in Ukraine is just saying whatever
a) increases wealth and subsidies from the west
b) whatever avoids getting snatched by SBU, making humiliating apology videos and/or mobilized
Agreed the society is atomized. Separation is what makes it easy for Nato snatch singe people here and there and kill them. If their neighbor gets snatched or mobilized, the other guy still believes in own invincibility and that nothing can happen to them – until they are next.
the people who had capability and ability to think logically got out a long time ago. You don’t want to stay in a text-book nazi state, especially when it is at war.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 20 2023 22:25 utc | 111

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 20 2023 20:27 utc | 95
Welcome back Peter. I know you are in Western Sydney. I am no where near there but if ever I am I will try to look you up.
You make a great contribution.
FWIW all my friends and my kids think I am nuts. It hurts – a lot.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 20 2023 22:59 utc | 112

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 20 2023 21:01 utc | 101
Have you got a link?
Thanks

Posted by: Roberto | Jul 20 2023 23:00 utc | 113

cirsium @ 103

Read Mattias Desmet’s “The Psychology of Totalitarianism” for more information.

I’m on it, thanks for the tip.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 20 2023 23:24 utc | 114

Someone should do an expose on how Ukrainian Pravda, which is quite obviously state-sponsored media, and a rather ham-fisted one at that, got injected into all the major US tech aggregators like Google news, Yahoo, and others.
Along with the capture of Business Insider, Newsweek, and even Popular Mechanics.
A theory I’ll throw out, on the last three. Due to the hard times facing many fallen media companies, they were all given a deal they could not refuse by the US govt. In exchange for becoming, essentially, state-sponsored propaganda agents, they were guaranteed payments, sweet-heart deals, or other considerations from Uncle Sam.
Essentially, due to the disruption in the news industry, with many independent outfits closing, and the decimation of the magazine industry as well, accelerated by COVID, these were ripe for the picking by the same clowns who infiltrated Twitter, Google, and Facebook with censors and cancel-mobs.
All of them are recognized brands that would have earned some trust from the American consumer/schmuck. By quietly capturing them, the CIA/NSA/State Dept. would have a nice media channel for spreading lies and half-truths, without having to overtly do so themselves.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 20 2023 23:30 utc | 115

Peter AU1 | Jul 20 2023 18:43 utc | 69
Gr8 to see you posting again.
On open thread, give us an upd8 about yourself… if you want.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 20 2023 23:30 utc | 116

“… Why do General Syrskyi and Colonel Urshalovych think they can fool the Ukrainian people and their soldiers with such weak propaganda talk?”

One has to ask who would read “Ukrainian Pravda” to find out who Syrskyi and Urshalovych are trying to convince?
Perusing the online paper headlines in machine English translation, I see the news is a mix of business shop talk, political gossip and arts / entertainment fluff. In short, it’s the kind of news that so-called quality newspapers used to print before they became upper middle class boutique extensions of government propaganda factory mills.
These Ukrainistan army officers are trying to convince those who would be employed in acceptable white collar occupations: IT, law, medical and healthcare services, journalism and other media occupations, among others. These are the people with transferable skills who can pass from one industry to another, including politics. No doubt they also have high ambitions either within their own occupational fields or beyond.
Syrskyi and Urshalovych are catering to a clique that not only includes all these people who would read “Ukrainian Pravda” and its peers in the Western news media mainstream but also the very class that that audience aspires to joining, with all its mediocrities like Jens Stoltenberg and Ursula von der Leyen who would also swallow Syrskyi and Urshalovych’s baloney hook, line and sinker.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 20 2023 23:39 utc | 117

Posted by: Sam | Jul 20 2023 15:48 utc
Dear (H)uncle Sam:
1. In FACT, Ukraine is gaining HUNDREDS OF MILLIMETERS of ground every day. It is amazing, after all the slaughter of untrained, unmotivated Ukraine youth, and the target practice provided by the U.S and European providers of targets, Ukraine isn’t advancing THOUSAND OF MILLIMETERS every day.
2. Perhaps in your busy day in your MOM’S BASEMENT, you haven’t had time enough to see that Russia is only fighting a series of battles in Ukraine, learning how to kill Western overbuilt useless crap. Getting ready for the real battle should Western idjits start one.
3. The War is about clipping the wings on the fat, but noisy USSA goose. And that War is going fine. Inexorable.
4. It is unfortunate that in your zealotry, you failed to encourage Ukeland to find peace and compromise with Mother Russia. Soon Ukraine will not exist. And it will be your fault.

Posted by: kupkee | Jul 20 2023 23:46 utc | 118

More intelligent info on the grain situation.
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Global grain prices hardened on Tuesday after Russia fired cruise missiles targeting Ukraine’s Odesa port as “retribution” for the latter’s attack damaging a key road bridge to the Crimean Peninsula. The day before, Russia terminated a deal allowing Ukraine to export produce from designated Black Sea ports. The markets seemed to have then shrugged off Moscow’s announcement that it would no longer guarantee safe passage for vessels moving through the specially-created maritime corridor under the Black Sea Grain Initiative. The deal, brokered by the United Nations and Turkey, had enabled Ukraine to ship out nearly 33 million tonnes of corn, wheat, sunflower (including oil and meal), barley, rapeseed and other grain in the last one year. By striking, Russia has conveyed a clear message.
That being said, the world is better positioned than a year ago to absorb any fresh supply shocks from the Ukraine-Russia front. One reason is that Ukraine’s corn and wheat exports are anyway expected to fall 30-40 per cent this year over 2022-23. The war has taken a toll on the country’s production, which the markets have already factored in. Secondly, the reduced supplies from Ukraine should be more than covered by Brazil, US and Argentina in corn and Russia in wheat. The latter has, in fact, become the world’s biggest wheat exporter, much of it going to the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia, even as Ukraine’s own grain has been increasingly moving via the Danube River and land route to Europe. Thirdly, even with respect to vegetable oils, enhanced availability of soyabean (from Brazil and Argentina), palm (from Indonesia and Malaysia) and rapeseed (from Canada) should help stave off any disruptions from the expiry of the Black Sea agreement. Moreover, Russia has indicated willingness for the deal’s renewal if the rules for selling its own produce and fertilisers in the international market were eased. That’s a call the West would have to take.
Simply put, the world is relatively awash with grain today. As far as India goes, the threats to food inflation are likely to be more from domestic than global factors. While the monsoon has been good so far, its performance over the next one month will matter, especially in a scenario where the Food Corporation of India’s warehouses aren’t overflowing like before and supply pressures are building up in vegetables and pulses. The government should closely monitor the kharif crop’s progress, while keeping the window open for imports as insurance against any production shortfalls.
https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/editorials/express-view-on-grain-prices-war-and-wheat-8849126/

Posted by: daffyDuct | Jul 21 2023 0:14 utc | 119

Dear Peter au1;
I have read your posts for a long time and appreciated your contributions. I wish you the best of all possible outcomes and may we all live to see some change.
Kinda campy but I enjoy this song:
Move away from your western guns
Travel towards eastern suns
Far above all earthly goals
A pledge for creation’s soul

I’m sure many many other lurking wish you the best also.
Peace, b

Posted by: bobzibub | Jul 21 2023 0:20 utc | 120

watcher | Jul 20 2023 22:59 utc | 112
I am 130k east of Melbourne in the fucking cold country. One or two ks from where my forebear is buried. Frederick Wanderer Watson. He was born on the ship on the way out and his middle name is the name of the ship.
I traveled around Australia and the girl I married turned out to be the niece of my fathers best mate. I didn’t know that until after we were married. Such is life.
Jim drove my fathers truck when he moved to WA, which is where I grew up. That would have been sixty one as I was six week sold. I saw the photos a few years back when my father died. The old much repaired trailer was still in his back yard. The same trailer that was behind the truck in photos from 1961. My bimbo sister was going to scrap it as trash so I told her its history.
Melaleuca Your honesty and integrity always shines through. Perhaps I will try and write something on an open thread or perhaps not. I stopped eating june 2 and still haven’t picked up. 1/2 a litre of whisky a day would not swamp the discomfort at that stage.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 21 2023 0:24 utc | 121

Petri Khrohn at 43. Hamish de Bretton Gordon talks out of the part of his anatomy which testifies to the statement “Shit for Brains”. I fear he is barking, absolutely barking but hey, the Torygraph and other MSM outlets pay him for this stream of turd he coughs up.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jul 21 2023 0:42 utc | 122

OldHippy, Susan, yeah. I’ve lost nearly all of my old peacenick buddies. PeaceActionMaine, even the ELF. All of them caved – but not – at first, anyway – to the Ukraine narrative. The covid psyop did them in.
As for the Telegraph, half this thread it seems is wasted on Hamish. Energy waster – or, one might say they earned their pay. How many bald faced lies do they need to print before people stop reading them? It’s not like you are going to miss some little hidden nugget of truth. Yeeesh.
Instead of reading the Telegraph, go to temple, pray and chant.

Posted by: oracle | Jul 21 2023 0:58 utc | 123

Not quite a sea-change in attitude, but I notice the “near-mainstream” left-leaning media in the US (The Nation, Democracy NOW) are re-opening the issue of Nazi/Neo-Nazi Ukrainians. While noting there are fascists and white supremacists in the Russian forces as well, one thing that struck me is that most were connected to the now discredited “Wagner” organization, which may have been a factor in their being de-fanged by the military establishment.
Short take… the taboo against any anti-Ukrainian or mildly critical media coverage is eroding, signally a loss in support for US involvement.

Posted by: Alta4710 | Jul 21 2023 1:13 utc | 124

Peter AU1 #121:
Very sorry to read about your situation. Would love to hear more stories on the other thread if you’re up to it.
I’m 78, from Texas, but 44 years in semi-rural WA now. Love trailer stories, wife adventures, whatever. It’s my Texan coming through…

Posted by: Paul Spencer | Jul 21 2023 1:35 utc | 125

Peter, Thanks m8
@bar; yep. 2020>>> has been tuff for so many of likeminded here.
Family, close friends, acquaintance-friends, neighbours and The Circle of people we’ve shared decades of interests, hobbies, sports and protests with… suddenly revealed to be Covidiots or Mask nazis, with the Thought-policing bleeding (as intended) straight into Ukraine…
There’s a Fawlty Towers episode where, after the usual Basil V Guests scene in the dining room, Basil tells the table of Germans: “you started it, you invaded Poland”.
Every time someone says: “Russia started it, they invaded Ukraine”, I have Basil Fawlty flashbacks. ….(I think even John Cleese says the Ukrainian absurdity is beyond even a Monty Python script.)
~~~~~
Peter, if you’re still online….
Is it possible to send all that laborious work you did collating the Ukraine biolabs for Karl to upload to his substack?
[Karl, can you find a tab to store it under on your substack?]
I know the information is “out there” in various forms, but “we” the Greek Chorus to this diabolical war, and its many-layered strata of evil, need to be sure this evidence is available, should there ever come a time we can bare witness to the truth of the antecedents of this war.
The memory hole is real, and expanding exponentially…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 21 2023 1:56 utc | 126

For 16 months the USA has tried to control the escalation provoking the Kremlin to take the bait and start making mistakes that would prove opportune for NATO. The Russians were too smart and professional for that but they were on the back foot for the last 16 months. Now they seem to be back in stride and from a position of strength they are escalating on their terms forcing NATO to make mistakes. Maybe the next move is ridding their skies of AWACS?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 20 2023 18:56 utc | 77
Agreed. Putin didn’t want to invade Ukraine, but he essentially had to and went in light because that’s what there was. It almost worked and was still more positive than negative in not working. But the summer was trying to figure out what to do next and then the fall was the real low point. The 9-10 months since then have been russia gearing up for serious conflict while mostly holding the line.
Now that it has at least mostly weathered the grand counter offensive, the momentum is shifting in a very big way. If the US was going to roll Russia over (at least to the point of having to negotiate an unfavorable agreement), fall 2022 was the time. But that was a long time ago and Russia used the time since then far more productively than the US.

Posted by: Lex | Jul 21 2023 2:33 utc | 127

Melaleuca | Jul 21 2023 1:56 utc | 126
Its all at my VK page. Karl knows where to find it. I don’t own it. It is free for anyone to use.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 21 2023 2:48 utc | 128

Skiffer | Jul 20 2023 22:02 utc | 108
Thank you for this post. Without speaking Russian it’s impossible to know what really goes on there. But knowing that Ukraine has been turned into a playground for the western satanic elites, I imagine that their psychological operations against the people there have been done as something of a trial run of the operations running across the west to atomize and demoralize the people. Ukraine is a model state to them, their ideal. Everything applied there is being attempted here. All of the corrupt and compromised western leaders have cycled through there on visits in the past couple years. I can’t help but think they are refining the operations before rolling them out on a broader scale.

Posted by: Moonraker | Jul 21 2023 3:31 utc | 129

Posted by: titmouse | Jul 20 2023 17:00 utc | 38
Their time is done, hence their desperation running that centegenerian monster, voice of The Powers That Be (Kissinger), to raise the flag of parley.
Kissinger again. Proving once again that the domain of Uncle Sam’s big power foreign policy is off-limits to the goyim. So much diversity …
One would think they’d send someone other than the guy who helped create the mess in the first place.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 21 2023 4:48 utc | 130

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 21 2023 1:56 utc
Love the image of the flies as the Greek chorus of the war. Ennobling.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 21 2023 4:56 utc | 131

Morning all,
Came across this on some Telegram posting yesterday, a retired Indian general, with a magnificent full Raj ‘tash!
‘Final Battle In Russia-Ukraine War? | Maj Gen GD Bakshi’s Grand Strategy on Kiev’s Counteroffensive’
https://youtu.be/D0oA-Y5eTs4
Given that it was broadcast over a month ago – he covers the whole conflict in half an hour in a manner that emulates b’s, no nonsense analysis.
He appears to have assessed what was going to happen and had happened in the last month pretty correctly and makes predictions of the Russian counter ‘Ukraine counter-offensive’. Namely probably Kharkiv, Odessa or the big move to Kiev.
Interesting analysis of the weapons and technology – including the first time I’ve seen mentioned , the satellite technology. Russia’s new 1m resolution all weather conditions sat launched in May.
Which means that it is as good if not better than the US has been using over the ukraine. That along with why the ‘dense air defence’ there has largely kept the air clear of the actual airforce for both sides. Only hundreds of daily sorties by the Russians , compared to thousands that they could – speculating that the big hammer is held back to see if natzos will be dumb enough to drop the dead meat Ukrops and step openly into the battle zone with a ‘coalition of the willng’. At the moment consisting of even more dumb and dumber Poles and Romanians.
I don’t know his bonafides and not sure if he gets Russian position wholly correct, but he explains with brevity the various movements of the SMO from day one…upto why the Zaporozia front and why the dam was blown is assessed. The various dogs dinners of western kit and why it is impossible to supply and use by the crazed Ukrops. The facts of Russian mobilisation and the dumb western ‘trained’ ukrop suicide squads sent to their immediate deaths, whilst their instructors stand in lines saluting the departing lambs to slaughter, to soften up and reveal Russian weapons and plans for the BigOne all the way to escalated nuclear accidental disaster. Ultimately state by that it will be over by August at which point it is nuclear escalation or peace talks – offering India as the ‘Honest Broker’ – something I had speculated about with the same phrase a week or so back – though I had said it could be the Chinese or African states that have visited both Ukraine and Russia last month and were treated to some fake air attack alarms!
Opinions by anyone else who has watched it? I have bookmarked for further assessments by him to see if he is as good as he seems.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 21 2023 5:13 utc | 132

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 21 2023 5:13 utc | 132
Opinions by anyone else who has watched it? I have bookmarked for further assessments by him to see if he is as good as he seems.
I’ve been listening to Bakshi for a while. His position is similar to our host’s and his assessment overall seems to mirror that of peoplelike Alexander Mercuoris’ Ritter, Garland Nixon etc …
He is interesting in that he has the credentials (to some degree at least, being a military man) and in that his opinion is that of someone speaking from the Indian point of view.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 21 2023 5:33 utc | 133

The propaganda really does work, but only on those idiots in the West who are pre-disposed to trust the “media”. I’ve actually been told “They wouldn’t lie, they are journalists!” These people are usually described as “liberals”, a code-word for “stupid sheeple”, if you ask me, and that includes, to my shame, members of my own family, who have called me a “conspiracy theorist spreading mis-information” when I shwed them actual Goverment websites that said in plain language what I was talking about.
I have a long-time friend from a UK background, and he is totally convinced that the British Army could whip those Russians in short order, NATO weaposn are 20 years ahead of those stupid incompetent Russians etc etc , and there is no amount of actual facts that can penetrate his bubble of delusion. We will probably never speak again, after I got fed up with his garbage, and showed him the RUSI website and their reports – his head about exploded, and he began screaming incoherently and foaming at the mouth, something I had only read about before in books. It’s a mental disorder, for sure.
On the other hand, at my workplace, we have many people from all over the world, and not 1 of them I have talked to agrees with the MSM narrative, they all know better, coming from countries that at least have some connection to historical reality. Even the Ukrainian guy, who agrees with me, and says he is very happy to have left Ukraine 20 years ago before the Nazis took over completely. Many of them like to ask me for links to watch and read, and they never even mention the MSM bullshit.
But at home, my neighbors are all in the utterly clueless camp, they think Ukraine is winning the war, Putin is a dictator, blah, blah, blah, which is why I just ignore them all entirely these days. When there is a barbecue at the neighbors, I’m not there, as I just can’t put up with them any more. I tell them I’m busy, sorry. When they wave to me as I drive by, I pretend not to see them.
Honestly, I don’t miss talking to these idiots, there is just not enough time in the day to put up with morons, or my tolerance for morons is just is declining with age.

Posted by: FUBAR111111 | Jul 21 2023 5:50 utc | 134

Posted by: nook | Jul 20 2023 18:49 utc | 72
After a month and a half of no gains and unbearable loses they brag about meters of ground taken. What’s next? Centimeters?

General Melchett: “This is how much land our offensive captured yesterday.”
“What scale is it (Captain) Darling?”
Captain Darling: “One-to-one Sir..”
“Seventeen square feet”
Youtube – Blackadder Goes Forth

Posted by: Rattus | Jul 21 2023 5:52 utc | 135

titmouse | Jul 20 2023 17:00 utc | 38
What exactly does Fanon have to do with the Western ruling class? Last I checked they were arch enemies. Are you a glowie sneering at the names of revolutionaries whose ideology currently scares you?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen | Jul 21 2023 5:59 utc | 136

Opinions by anyone else who has watched it? I have bookmarked for further assessments by him to see if he is as good as he seems.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 21 2023 5:13 utc | 132
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Have watched most of his commentary that makes it to the internet, like many I would agree with Arch B (#133) that he’s been at least as directionally-accurate thus far in general as some of the others that regularly get attention. As for predicting future Russian clear offensive actions, who knows, most of the commentators have been wrong thus far on that front, and to some degree as I far as I recall he’s been no different there except that as I recall he’s better couched his predictions as ‘could\might happen,’ instead of ‘will happen’. -2cents

Posted by: knighthawk | Jul 21 2023 6:34 utc | 137

Colonel Marcus Reisner did a video around a month ago where he mentioned the war for the information space, and said this was a key ojbective for both sides. In particular this is important for Ukraine as it was always unlikely it could win a military victory, but it might do enough damage to create a regime change in Russia – or so went the theory.
MR argues that the Ukraine needs to keep the west on side, its governments and (arguably) its populations. Without this support it is toast. So it feeds the west a constant diet of UAF victories, RF losses and atrocities etc. Of course the western MSM is only too happy to repeat this garbage, as it seems are western Intelligence Agencies. And who would have guessed it, assuming politicians actually know or suspect the truth, they lie.
For Russia, they need enough popular support for the regime so that instability does not occur and the war can continue. Bear in mind the good Colonel was commenting before the Wagner episode.
Both sides maintain a tight control over messaging and censorship, especially it seems to me the so called free press in the west. But then I ca’t read Russian and have been blocked by my government from many sources of Russian news (RT). So maybe they are doing the same. Hard to say from where I am sitting (in my government controlled safe space) but no doubt someone can illuminate me.
At least for the west the instant and co-ordinated propaganda response suggests pre-planning, if only on a contintengy basis. But I think there was more to that than this. Clearly the information war was always considered critical by NATO planners. And had economic sanctions had the intended impact, this might have worked. However this is hardly 4d chess and my opinion is Russia worked out the cunning plan long ago, and put in place anti-sanction measures long before the shooting broke out.

Posted by: marcjf | Jul 21 2023 7:06 utc | 138

Final Battle In Russia-Ukraine War? | Maj Gen GD Bakshi’s Grand Strategy on Kiev’s Counteroffensive’
https://youtu.be/D0oA-Y5eTs4
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 21 2023 5:13 utc | 132

Thanks for this link. That was a very insightful, easy to understand and objectively presented summary.

Posted by: Nobody | Jul 21 2023 7:20 utc | 139

gottlieb, thank you. I do agree too. I was just trying to reassure you from fear. Yes, they are insane and reckless. But the wonderful thing is because of the SMO and the brinksmanship stakes they are also now cornered, impotent.
🙂 Every day rubs their nose in their own shit pile of failure. Its poetry is seemingly divine, as vengeance is best left to such masters. I like to think of mainstream media’s screeching like cries of torment, a sweet lullaby of their acknowledged impending doom. 🙂

Posted by: titmouse | Jul 21 2023 7:41 utc | 140

For Concerned Citizen, apologies I got it mixed up between him and Malthus who wanted to cap populations. Fanon was more interested in spreading development elsewhere besides the First World. Both are used as complementary (as in opposites) short-hands in ecological game simulators nowadays.
As for a glowie, it’s been many a year since my glowstick ninja phase. I’m afraid it would be out of synch in the age of Taylor Swift, trap music, and cell phones replacing lighters at concerts. We’ll just have to dance battle another time. 😉

Posted by: titmouse | Jul 21 2023 8:16 utc | 141

I see that the Canadians are allowing unlimited access from the Ukraine.
All over?

Posted by: jpc | Jul 21 2023 8:19 utc | 142

The Main Stream Western Media is starting to tell the truth about Ukraine losing. In the past the Western media picked up the Ukrainian lies and promoted them without question.
Now the media has been told to tell the truth. That is why multiple articles about Ukraine losing on the battlefield are starting to come out all at once.
Within a few weeks or even quicker, the Ukrainians will realize their gig with the Western media is up. They no longer will be able to lie their way to whatever their goals might be.
When the Western populace realizes the truth, they are going to be in shock. But their own beloved lying media is what caused them to be led astray.
The question is not so much the reactions that are going to result from the Western media starting to tell the truth. The question is why has the powers that be decided to allow their controlled media to do just that.
Could it be that the Western military well knows that they can not bring down Russia via Ukraine? So, Ukraine really is not so needed much any more. The West has other plans to take Russia out. Ukraine now will not be a big player in their plans.

Posted by: young | Jul 21 2023 8:23 utc | 143

As this horror in UA is attrition warfare, is there some kind of estimation of attrition rate for both sides (for example in USD)? I understand that it is multidimensional thing but possibly even KIAs could be in that single estimation. Any hints?

Posted by: Grey Cloud | Jul 21 2023 8:24 utc | 144

Honestly, I don’t miss talking to these idiots, there is just not enough time in the day to put up with morons, or my tolerance for morons is just is declining with age.
Posted by: FUBAR111111 | Jul 21 2023 5:50 utc | 134
Yep!
The Bland Bovine acceptance of the msm narrative is alarming.
Especially when it’s people that you remember as savy and inquisitive in time past.
A friend gave me the guff about Russia GDP being the same as Italy at the onset of conflict.
Asked in return what about Russian ability to make the things needed to sustain the efforts?
Old technology sanctions will put manners on them.Putin will be toppled.
Back and forth!
Doesn’t engage on the subject anymore.

Posted by: jpc | Jul 21 2023 8:42 utc | 145

Posted by: young | Jul 21 2023 8:23 utc | 143

Could it be that the Western military well knows that they can not bring down Russia via Ukraine? So, Ukraine really is not so needed much any more.

I suspect the “destroy China” faction of the Anglo-Zionist-American empire has gained leverage and is now trying to squirm it’s way out of the Ukraine morass to so it can keep it’s MIC shell-game going.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 21 2023 8:47 utc | 146

Posted by: Grey Cloud | Jul 21 2023 8:24 utc | 144
Ukraine: 350-500k KIA (Russian sources, estimate)
Russia + republics + Ahmat + Wagner: 70-100k KIA (Russian sources, most likely around or slight underestimate of upper bound)
HTH

Posted by: Boo | Jul 21 2023 8:57 utc | 147

The appallingly awful BBC has just reported the CIA statement that ‘Putin may still seek revenge against Prigozhin.’
So stand by for an assassination attempt on the latter by the CIA as a false flag.

Posted by: Vragtes | Jul 21 2023 9:07 utc | 148

@ 142
According to Ivan Katchanovski
“Canadian program for emergency travel & work in Canada for Ukrainian citizens has ended.
Applications received 1,100,403
Applications approved 793,804
Arrived in Canada 166,849
But many Ukrainians returned back, especially to Poland, primarily because of problems finding jobs, very high cost of renting housing in Canada & culture shock.”
https://twitter.com/I_Katchanovski/status/1681005527914930180

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 21 2023 9:34 utc | 149

“The Ukrainians have to keep the propaganda cycle going – reality is not important”
The Ukrainians have to keep the corruption cycle going – reality is not important
Fixed it for you. 😉 In the south of France there are so many super-rich Ukrainians that have fled their country that they are ironically named the “Monaco batallion”.
Yeah war is good… for the oligarchy.

Posted by: Nanker | Jul 21 2023 9:40 utc | 150

How propaganda works …..
Governments have spent centuries forming confirmation bias within the population. The newspapers, radio and now social media split that confirmation bias politically.
Right wing and left wing and liberal outlets know exactly which buttons to press and that is to build up a readership and nowadays charge for the privilege. Every confirmation bias is now a revenue stream.
The next step is once they have you there by ringing a few confirmation biases. They then start to poison you with other stuff. A great example is that one Indian army officer in the Telegraph that is allowed to speak freely while the rest of the paper spreads BS.
Another great example is the new TV channel in the UK – GB news. They hit all the right notes about Brexit for leavers, channel crossings for immigrants, climate denial and net zero for the petrol heads, children to attract the anti woke.
Now they have them addicted to the channel due to their confirmation biases. The dripping feeding begins on the other stuff that some are against. Austerity, privatisations, laffer curve economics, free trade, etc, etc, etc. Trying to change how the left wing red wall that were attracted like a month to a flame because their confirmation biases were massaged. Every newspaper, TV channel does the same.
To get every voter to vote for the one party nation state. Keep everybody divided not by class but by being knee deep in right wing, left wing bull shit. All centred around GROUPTHINK. Prevent any other or encourage any other political movement created from above ( top down ) from implementing real meaningful change.
How difficult is it for any government, TV channel , newspaper, social media to achieve this capture. Well take a look for yourself below.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iRh5qy09nNw&pp=ygUbYXNjaCBleHBlcmltZW50IGNvbmZvcm1pdHkg
And a more modern version of it that fooled millions. The most successful propaganda campaign in human history.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xvz8tg4MVpA&pp=ygUzTWFyZ2FyZXQgdGhhdGNoZXIgbm8gc3VjaCB0aGluZyBhcyB0YXggcGF5ZXJzIG1vbmV5
GROUPTHINK spread it like a virus throughout society and turned rational thought into a bucket of paper mashe full of emotion.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 21 2023 10:19 utc | 151

Arch Bungle @ 146
I suspect the “destroy China” faction of the Anglo-Zionist-American empire has gained leverage and is now trying to squirm it’s way out of the Ukraine morass to so it can keep it’s MIC shell-game going.
Response: We don’t know for sure why the Western Media are now all at once starting to tell a significant more of the truth of what is going on along the zero lines in Ukraine.
Regardless of what is going on behind the scenes, the truth about the failed Ukrainian offensive being published by the main stream media is going to significantly hurt the Ukrainian war effort.
For Example: The average Ukrainian troop on the ground probably has a lot of sceptism about news coming from a “pro Russian” source. However, when the Western main stream media starts to report that they are losing, this certainly will hurt morale.
I suspect a massive loss of support for the AFU within its own ranks as well as from the West over the next few months. This in turn could lead to a massive retreat out of the remaining areas of the Donbas and Zaporizhzhia in which it now holds.

Posted by: young | Jul 21 2023 10:55 utc | 152

Posted by: Boo | Jul 21 2023 8:57 utc | 147
Russian predictions are mainly the lower end estimates, generated by a correlation of forces and means (CoFM) calculation, so are highly conservative. Ukrainian losses, on the other hand, are probably far higher than admitted, due to various corruptive factors. In the end though, it’s an academic exercise usually reserved for those trying to eke out statistical victories, over those that are operationally and strategically significant.
A more apposite question, than asking about the supposed significance of crude loss ratios, is which side can absorb the losses and still retain its maintenance of purpose. The answer to that question is clearer and will be made more obvious as the weeks progress. My own prediction is that the Ukrainians are rapidly approaching the, non-operationally effective, stage as correspondingly the Russians have been edging toward the endgame phase of their operations. Again, not privy to anything but open sources and an extrapolation of experiences where I was allowed to peek, any predictions have to be based on possibilities;
1. The Russians continue the tempo of combat operations, using the newly mobilised troops to bolster units so they can tactically exploit Ukrainian vulnerabilities, by counter-attacks and positional improvement/enhancement operations.
2. The Russians launch a limited series of offensives from the improved positions, seeking to gain key ground and force the Ukrainians to shorten the line of contact, improving the CoFM.
3. The Russians are building up several powerful attack fists that are, not only close to being ready, but able to be used on axes that are nearing the required shaping for such deployments.
Bottom line, Russia has a number of growing options, Ukraine is rapidly running out of them, how the former exploits the later will be a clear indicator of the real situation, not Reddit-style debates about the significance of loss ratios.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 21 2023 10:57 utc | 153

The Russian mutual security proposals of late 2021. Putin warned that if something along those lines was not accepted then Russia would use military technical means to secure its security.
The desired political outcome is now the destruction of the American Anglo empire.
Planning for that began in 2002 when Bush pulled the US out of the ABM treaty. R&D on the next gen strategic weapons systems began at that time with the first being unveiled by Putin in 2018. For eight years the Ukroids believed in American British propaganda and thought it was fun killing the Russians of the east. I watch some of the drone video from the killing fields of former eastern Ukraine that Russia has set up up. Russia has no need to go anywhere, not to Odessa or anywhere else.
Most western politicians have bet their balls on the US defeating Russia. The Ukraine proxy government will collapse as fast as the Afghan proxy government and the Vietnam proxy government when the US pulls out. Not to mention the Iraq army trained and equipped by the US simply melting in the face of ISIS, another US proxy.
The desired outcome for Russia is the destruction of the American Empire and American power and thereby securing its security. We see the de-dollarization occurring and the multi-polar world arising.
Lavrov early on stating that the west had launched full scale hybrid war against Russia then stating that Russia accepts the challenge. The view of western military tools is just far to limited for the history we see in the making.
The geography we see marked on a map as Ukraine was a communist construct. This vaunted Nato offensive with its ragtag army of press ganged Ukroids and mercs, supplied with all the trash from the warehouses of the American empire…. That geographical area has now for all intents and purposes ceased to exist. The planned attack on ZNPP was suddenly called off when Rus MoD gave a very detailed report on the Brit Ukroid attack plans.
What next for the Anglo empire? Declare victory in Ukraine and attack China? With the population density, war in the region will be devastating. The economies of the Asia pacific will crash, not to mention the deaths. Japanese, Australians and Indians will be the American proxies in that war. But those Russian Chinese joint patrols… the Americans can run but they cannot hide.
But those killing fields of Ukraine – I never bother with military commentary anymore. Better to read Sun Tzu or Clausewitz for the larger picture.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 21 2023 10:58 utc | 154

Is anyone trying to assess the percentage of Ukrainian KIA by their own ‘enforcers’?
At the start of the war, my guess would be 5%. probably those ethnic Russian types who discovered they were on the wrong side and tried to desert to Donetsk.
But now, the percentage of unwilling, press-ganged, poorly or untrained men in their first forward trench, taking in grenades, sniper fire, mortars, artillery and overhead drones… the percentage of Ukrainian – Ukrainian kills must be climbing into much higher levels.
What is the policy in the Russian army for deserters / unauthorised withdrawals? Anyone know?

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jul 21 2023 11:05 utc | 155

Great to read you here again at MOA, PeterAU1. Following from oldhippie’s and yours and others ruminations I post this, it seems appropriate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtJq56cp_dk
Oh, and
NZ 1 Norway 0 in FIFA (women’s) world cup game yesterday.
NZ – a way I like to refer to Aotearoa New Zealand during the SMO

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 21 2023 11:07 utc | 156

154 Most western politicians have bet their balls on the US defeating Russia – AND many of them are women as well!

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Jul 21 2023 11:11 utc | 157

The techniques are so efficient and GROUPTHINK so ingrained. We now have a situation that have true lefties like Thomas Fazi, George Galloway and Jimmy Dore. Pushing narratives that will make it easier for the rent seekers to privatise the NHS.
And a situation that their audiences are now pushed on to GB news oven ready to be captured. A strategy that the guardian used so effectively that turned left wing voters into liberals.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 21 2023 11:15 utc | 158

Posted by: young | Jul 21 2023 10:55 utc | 152

massive loss of support for the AFU within its own ranks as well as from the West over the next few months. This in turn could lead to a massive retreat out of the remaining areas of the Donbas and Zaporizhzhia in which it now holds.

The real sign of collapse will be factional infighting, when parts of the AFU and Ukrainian mafia state start turning against each other to preserve what little remains of Ukraine’s future.
Will some admit defeat and ally with the Russian side? Will some seek to ally with NATO forming Kosovo-like enclaves with the (military) backing of the West? I suspect these and other variations of collapse will appear before the year is done.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 21 2023 11:16 utc | 159

5 @ Sam | Jul 20 2023 15:37 utc |
I thought Baghdad Bob had passed away.

Posted by: Chicago Bob | Jul 21 2023 11:40 utc | 160

Strelkov under arrest.
https://t.me/s/intelslava/50089
Putin supporting the command of the SMO.
https://t.me/vladimirtupin/32971

Posted by: libegafra | Jul 21 2023 13:48 utc | 161

Do you really care?
Answer: Not really.
Posted by: John2007 | Jul 20 2023 21:10 utc | 102
A succinct summary.
___________
TO PeterAU1:
Thanks and Godspeed.

Posted by: osi | Jul 21 2023 13:49 utc | 162

So, where are the supporters of Prigozhin asking for the removal of Shoigu?

Posted by: libegafra | Jul 21 2023 13:56 utc | 163

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 21 2023 10:58 utc | 154
Excellent summation of the field.
1. Fat, lazy, belligerent Uncle Sam, laying on his back, on the sidelines, barking “wait til I catch my breath” and I’ll win the Marathon.
2. Russia, briskly, methodically, keeping the pace, set, certain, eyes looking carefully around, for surprises.
3. Europe, out of breath, no water left, thirsty, but in denial.
4. Perfidious Albion, nipping at Russia’s heels, carelessly ignoring the shotgun pointed at her head.
I have no doubt that Russia would have preferred a working relationship with Europe. But Europe chose sparkles and glitter. What a heavy price will be paid.

Posted by: kupkee | Jul 21 2023 14:02 utc | 164

gottlieb, thank you. I do agree too. I was just trying to reassure you from fear. Yes, they are insane and reckless. But the wonderful thing is because of the SMO and the brinksmanship stakes they are also now cornered, impotent.
Posted by: titmouse | Jul 21 2023 7:41 utc | 140
Agree on cornered, respectfully disagree on impotent. When cornered is when one is likely to lash out and likely the most dangerous.

Posted by: Phil R | Jul 21 2023 14:28 utc | 165

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 21 2023 11:15 utc | 158
Probably easier to transition from left-wing to liberal (though today these distinctions are largely granular) than straight across the divide to the lefty hell of the Righto-sphere. A more likely scenario is that populist conservatives, having now become aware (Red-pilled) of their democratic representative’s ideological betrayal, are attracting left-wing viewers, eager to listen to their vocal criticisms of the increasing corporatisation of society. The more they hear the more they contrast it favourably to the pap they get from their traditional ‘supporters’. Trans supporters and their increasingly vicious conflict with traditional feminist and gay movements and the disappearance of the anti-war coalition, regarding Ukraine, are just the peripheral indicators of the tectonic shifts happening in non-ersatz politics. A shift that their traditional ideological enemies of the Right seem solely to comment on, offering a voice to an increasingly de-platformed Left. I believe Tucker Carlton’s show on Fox had a million+ leftists amongst its viewing figures, they disliked medium but we’re receptive to the message, as it had been historically theirs.
Enemies becoming allies to fight a common enemy is a time-honoured tradition and with both ideological sides feeling a sense of betrayal, this particular alliance has a convenience charged with potent, political, potential energy. Involvement in Ukraine could very well become a litmus test for voters, regarding American political candidates in 2024, especially if the conflict continues it current trajectory.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 21 2023 14:33 utc | 166

Posted by: Roger | Jul 20 2023 15:41 utc | 9
Simplicius has a very interesting new piece out….
===================================================
You are right to address the larger picture. One aspect of which, seems to me, has been there from the get-go which is that one of the reasons for the West’s bravado here was to forestall Germany blending in with the SCO matrix. Mercedes already makes more profit in China than Europe and US. The pipeline was about to settle their expanding partnership. It’s not an accident that they got blown up, it’s a necessary part of the entire purpose which is to prevent Germany and Europe from joining Eurasia.
That will remain key as things get worse over time, whether from escalation of the SMO into Poland, Estonia, Syria or whatever, or whether even if the SMO is pacified somehow there will still be substantive geopolitical tectonics ongoing.
The West leadership will continue to prevent Europe doing what is clearly in its interest and joining in with the emergent Eurasian Civilization. And Eurasia will continue to develop whether they join in or not.
There are higher issues as well. How much do we really know of how the internal Russian and Chinese polities function? Are they as noble and trustworthy as they project and/or will they remain that way if they begin to lead the world forward without having to tangle with the Atlanticists every step of the way as is currently the case?
Meanwhile, I continue to smell a rat, and Kissinger might have been carrying it in his pocket somehow. That story with Farage and him not being able to get an account from 12 different banks in UK, and now expanding to involve tens of thousands of other people similarly treated is part of a general trend in which the corporate sector, which really runs Western polities, is becoming increasingly Orwellian and increasingly overt about it. This is going to be increasing as a factor in our societies not decreasing. The US Army is being cleansed of traditional Christian Red State types and filled with gays and transexuals, with male Colonels and Generals posing in stockings and lipstick – pure psyop stuff. So I guess we can expect a hollowing out of the West from the inside to continue. What that means geopolitically remains to be seen, but my guess is that the Great Reset will mean that a reconfigured post-sovereignty West will join the Global Community led from China and Russia, but they may also have their gnomes from Zurich and the City running the systems deep within the bowels, the CBDC mechanisms and suchlike. The corporatocracy doesn’t really want free, open and independent individuals or nation states, they want free rein monopolistic skeins with occasional tussles over who gets how much of what territory to monopolize. Something like that. Western common law based polities have got to go, which is also part of the racism-sexism-empire propaganda making absolutely everything ever done by any Westerner look bad, going back since Adam and Eve. We are a scourge to the planet that need to be vernichted, and if they can’t poison or sicken us out, they will breed us out. (And of course, any time one objects to this narrative some worthy will chime in accusing one of being a ‘white supremacist’ or some other such drivel.)
In other words, the hidden leadership class in the West may be changing horses in mid-stream. It has happened before…. And perhaps Kissinger’s visit had something to do with managing this transition. I wonder: did he offer a climb-down on Taiwan in return for giving Eurasia a fully subdued and helpless West, which clearly our elites have the power to effect? Something like that?

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 21 2023 15:23 utc | 167

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 21 2023 10:19 utc | 152
How propaganda works …..
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You nailed it. Thxs.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 21 2023 15:35 utc | 168

Scorpion | Jul 21 2023 15:23 utc | 168
In other words, the hidden leadership class in the West may be changing horses in mid-stream. It has happened before…. And perhaps Kissinger’s visit had something to do with managing this transition. I wonder: did he offer a climb-down on Taiwan in return for giving Eurasia a fully subdued and helpless West, which clearly our elites have the power to effect? Something like that
A subdued and helpless west is pretty much a given. Anyway, all they ever really need is a collaborative class, and after the mass psychosis of the last few years we know they can count on us!

Posted by: john | Jul 21 2023 16:44 utc | 169

Re: . . . yellow ribbon tape in support . . .
” ” ” susan @ 49
I have been marching against US wars all my life this war by the US of Assholes has blown me away. All the anti war people I knew with the exception of 2 bought the anti Russia anti China hook line and sinker. They will all march behind Biden to WW3 it is just nuts. I really do not know what is wrong with americans.
. . . .
I’m not being facetious either, it was like all at once, in one instance, no deliberation, and not just in yellow ribbon support the troops USA but across “skeptical” and “educated” Europe.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 20 2023 19:11 utc | 83 ” ” ”
. . . = = =
When it was? 1990, 1991 the preparation and the 1st war with Iraq, the liberation of Kuweit (stealing oil/gas with specialty diagonal-horizontal drilling, into Iraq’s resources. Later proved as factual). Anyway, in Elmhurst, IL, I saw lots of trees wrapped with yellow tape, bonnets, enhusiasm, support, “we will beat those Iraqi rag heads – (maybe I am a little exaggerating of what was the patriotic message of those Yellow Taping). But I felt the strange aura as surreal. Early on.
Several months later, I saw the same Surplus! yellow tape used for tying rows of black garbage bags, for remowal, as the side of streets . . . Federico Fellini, where are you?
I regret of not having the instinct to photograph these views.
The film cost than several dollars . . .
Think that this is a good idea for a movie scene.

Posted by: LogosApplied | Jul 21 2023 17:08 utc | 170

Posted by: john | Jul 21 2023 16:44 utc | 170
Terrific video. Makes more sense than most have heard or read in quite a while. Thank you.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 21 2023 18:12 utc | 171

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 20 2023 23:30 utc | 116
Google and Facebook were funded and set up by the CIA/NSA/State Dept. from the very start.

Posted by: Mike | Jul 21 2023 21:24 utc | 172

@ Milites | Jul 21 2023 14:33 utc | 167
This is a most valuable observation, my compliments. It really does seem that a realignment is underway: instead f left vs. right it’s now free thinkers vs. sheeple. The only problem is that there are so few of the latter, and they are by definition a disparate and fractious group — defined primarily by what they are not — and include groups that despise each other.
I’m reminded of the situation in Austria in early 1938, when the Socialists threw in their lot with the Austrofascists just to counter the Nazis. But by then it was much too late.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 22 2023 1:19 utc | 173

They don’t tell you that it is the same hundreds of meters. The Ukrainians move forward a hundred meters, the Russians counterattack and push them back, the Ukrainians reprovision and then capture the same hundred meters again, the Russians counterattack and push them back again, rinse and repeat repeatedly. Add it all up, and you have the absurdity of the claimed gains the Ukrainians are making.

Posted by: tballard | Jul 22 2023 4:14 utc | 174

Google and Facebook were funded and set up by the CIA/NSA/State Dept. from the very start.
Posted by: Mike | Jul 21 2023 21:24 utc | 173
The day project lifelog was canceled, Facebook launched.
And In-Q-Tel, a CIA investment company, was over 20% of facebooks start up investment funds.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 22 2023 6:36 utc | 175

This S–t show is nearing its conclusion with Ukraine being defeated and Z boy hiding in the west. Z has been in Ukraine only 3 days in the last 4 months. Today he is in Aspen Colorado while his soldiers die!
Ukraine is losing terribly. Only positive outcome is a ton of Ukrainian prostitutes in the west. Just dont marry or date one they feel like the world owes them!
Z will disappear or die soon.

Posted by: Peace | Jul 22 2023 12:10 utc | 176

▫️According to confirmed information, on 6 July, as a result of a group strike with long-range, sea-based precision weapons on the territory of the National Army Academy in Lvov, a large number of Polish and German mercenaries stationed there have been destroyed. RF MOD not long ago. Bit more specific than the international legion to name the exact nationalitites. Or am i overthinking this

Posted by: hankster | Jul 22 2023 12:34 utc | 177

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 20 2023 23:39 utc | 118
«mediocrities like Jens Stoltenberg and Ursula von der Leyen who would also swallow Syrskyi and Urshalovych’s baloney hook, line and sinker»
Those two are just bureaucrats now, they are are just the heads of the NATO and EU civil services, not principals, but still they are probably as well briefed as national leaders and know very well what is going on in reality, so I guess that they don’t believe a word of what the ukrainians are saying.
“The Saker” was just a swiss intelligence officer, and yet he could see the real news, which is what the leaders are told in their briefings:
http://thesaker.is/book-excerpt-how-i-became-a-kremlin-troll-by-the-saker/
“my military career took me from a basic training in electronic warfare, to a special unit of linguists for the General Staff of the Swiss military, to becoming a military analyst for the strategic intelligence service of Switzerland. […] By the time the war against the Serbian nation in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo broke out, I was in a unique situation: all day long I could read classified UNPROFOR and military reports about what was taking place in that region […] I was horrified to see that literally everything the media was saying was a total lie.”
Nothing new there.

Posted by: Blissex | Jul 22 2023 13:17 utc | 178

«“The Saker” was just a swiss intelligence officer, and yet he could see the real news, which is what the leaders are told in their briefings:»
Another example from another swiss military officer on a more recent topic:
https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/
“we were trying to detect Russian arms deliveries to the rebels, to see if Moscow was involved. The information we received then came almost entirely from Polish intelligence services and did not “fit” with the information coming from the OSCE — despite rather crude allegations, there were no deliveries of weapons and military equipment from Russia. The rebels were armed thanks to the defection of Russian-speaking Ukrainian units that went over to the rebel side.”

Posted by: Blissex | Jul 22 2023 13:28 utc | 179

— despite rather crude allegations, there were no deliveries of weapons and military equipment from Russia. The rebels were armed thanks to the defection of Russian-speaking Ukrainian units that went over to the rebel side.”
Posted by: Blissex | Jul 22 2023 13:28 utc | 179

This basically corresponds to Strelkov’s statements in an interview from 2014.

Igor Strelkov At first, no one wanted to fight. The first two weeks passed under the flag that both sides wanted to convince each other. During the first days in Slavyansk, both we and they approached the use of weapons with extreme caution. The first skirmish was with the SBU officers, who tried to clear us out, but were ambushed. Not even quite for an ambush, but for a head-on collision, for which they were not ready. They suffered losses and left. After that, there was calm. The Ukrainian side began to set up checkpoints, and the airmobile 25th brigade appeared in our vicinity. But she was not eager to fight. We managed to disarm first a reconnaissance platoon, then a column. It was precisely disarmament – under the barrels of machine guns, under the threat of burning equipment, they did not dare to join the battle and were disarmed by us.

But still, for a long time we did not touch their checkpoints, and they did not show aggression. These are the first steps.
Then the “Right Sector” began to throw sabotage groups towards us – skirmishes began. There was no National Guard yet – only the “Right Sector”. The Ukrainian side behaved very carefully, step by step probing how Russia would behave. The first month there was no shelling of the city. The first shelling of Slavyansk was at the end of May. Before that, they shelled villages, but Slavyansk itself was not touched. But as they realized that Russia would not react, the shelling became more and more intense, the actions of armored vehicles and aircraft – more and more massive. In early June, they finally became convinced that Russia would not interfere directly, and went into all serious trouble. The first massive attack on Slavyansk was on the second of May. The next – with the use of all forces and means of weapons – armored vehicles and tanks – they carried out on June 3. Between these attacks there were battles, local skirmishes.

Battalions of the National Guard began to arrive on the battlefield. They were initially motivated: they considered the enemy, that is, us, as Moscow mercenaries. They were sure. that we are all sent from Russia. And the fact that 90% of us in Slavyansk were local, Donbass people, did not even want to believe.
In June-July, when there was extremely little help, the enemy brought up huge forces. In general, the increase in strength was incomparable. For example, during this time 40 volunteers came to us, and 80 vehicles came to the enemy. What is in them is another question. But in each car – at least one person.
In August, at the height of the crisis, we fought in conditions of almost agony. They were just feverishly patching up holes, plugging up some breakthroughs. We were in full operational encirclement. And they couldn’t break it. In addition, they have already begun to cut us into smaller boilers, like a classic cauldron. Gorlovka was gradually cut off…

Full interview for those interested.
https://www-russiapost-su.translate.goog/archives/37405?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Posted by: Nobody | Jul 23 2023 4:59 utc | 180

— despite rather crude allegations, there were no deliveries of weapons and military equipment from Russia. The rebels were armed thanks to the defection of Russian-speaking Ukrainian units that went over to the rebel side.”
Posted by: Blissex | Jul 22 2023 13:28 utc | 179

This basically corresponds to Strelkov’s statements in an interview from 2014.

Igor Strelkov At first, no one wanted to fight. The first two weeks passed under the flag that both sides wanted to convince each other. During the first days in Slavyansk, both we and they approached the use of weapons with extreme caution. The first skirmish was with the SBU officers, who tried to clear us out, but were ambushed. Not even quite for an ambush, but for a head-on collision, for which they were not ready. They suffered losses and left. After that, there was calm. The Ukrainian side began to set up checkpoints, and the airmobile 25th brigade appeared in our vicinity. But she was not eager to fight. We managed to disarm first a reconnaissance platoon, then a column. It was precisely disarmament – under the barrels of machine guns, under the threat of burning equipment, they did not dare to join the battle and were disarmed by us.

But still, for a long time we did not touch their checkpoints, and they did not show aggression. These are the first steps.
Then the “Right Sector” began to throw sabotage groups towards us – skirmishes began. There was no National Guard yet – only the “Right Sector”. The Ukrainian side behaved very carefully, step by step probing how Russia would behave. The first month there was no shelling of the city. The first shelling of Slavyansk was at the end of May. Before that, they shelled villages, but Slavyansk itself was not touched. But as they realized that Russia would not react, the shelling became more and more intense, the actions of armored vehicles and aircraft – more and more massive. In early June, they finally became convinced that Russia would not interfere directly, and went into all serious trouble. The first massive attack on Slavyansk was on the second of May. The next – with the use of all forces and means of weapons – armored vehicles and tanks – they carried out on June 3. Between these attacks there were battles, local skirmishes.

Battalions of the National Guard began to arrive on the battlefield. They were initially motivated: they considered the enemy, that is, us, as Moscow mercenaries. They were sure. that we are all sent from Russia. And the fact that 90% of us in Slavyansk were local, Donbass people, did not even want to believe.
In June-July, when there was extremely little help, the enemy brought up huge forces. In general, the increase in strength was incomparable. For example, during this time 40 volunteers came to us, and 80 vehicles came to the enemy. What is in them is another question. But in each car – at least one person.
In August, at the height of the crisis, we fought in conditions of almost agony. They were just feverishly patching up holes, plugging up some breakthroughs. We were in full operational encirclement. And they couldn’t break it. In addition, they have already begun to cut us into smaller boilers, like a classic cauldron. Gorlovka was gradually cut off…

Full interview for those interested.
https://www-russiapost-su.translate.goog/archives/37405?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Posted by: Nobody | Jul 23 2023 4:59 utc | 181

The best security guarantee for Ukraine is a complete destruction of fascist RuZZia…problem solved!

Posted by: Geoff Harland | Jul 27 2023 10:29 utc | 182