Washington Post Still Covers Up U.S. War Crimes And Use Of Biological Weapons
The Washington Post is still covering up U.S. war crimes.
Seiichi Morimura, who exposed Japanese atrocities in WWII, dies at 90
His book about Unit 731, a secret biological warfare branch of the Imperial Army, helped force Japan to confront its wartime past
The obituary says:
Seiichi Morimura, a Japanese writer who helped force a reckoning upon his country with his 1981 exposé of Unit 731, a secret biological warfare branch of the Imperial Army that subjected thousands of people in occupied China to sadistic medical experiments during World War II, died July 24 at a hospital in Tokyo. He was 90.
Morimura's book sold astonishingly well even when it was unusual to confronted people in Japan with the imperial crimes of their nation.
Unit 731 was at its time only comparable to some Nazi doctors who widely experimented on humans:
At a time when Japanese textbooks often minimized atrocities committed by Japan during the war, Mr. Morimura interviewed dozens of veterans of Unit 731 and documented in harrowing detail the conduct of the operation, which was established in 1938 near the Chinese city of Harbin by Japanese medical officer Shiro Ishii.Disguised as an epidemic prevention and water purification department, the unit functioned through the end of the war as a testing ground for agents of biological warfare. Mr. Morimura’s work helped prompt more investigations in the 1980s and 1990s, which in turn led to a court case that further revealed the extent of the atrocities.
The perpetrators included many respected Japanese physicians. Thousands of people — mainly Chinese, but also Koreans, Russians and prisoners of eight total nationalities, according to Mr. Morimura — endured medical experiments that have been compared to those of Nazi doctor Josef Mengele.
Victims, referred to in Japanese as “marutas,” or wooden logs, were infected with typhus, typhoid, cholera, anthrax and the plague with the goal of perfecting biological weapons. Some prisoners were then vivisected without anesthetic so that researchers could observe the effects of the disease on the human body.
“I cut him open from the chest to the stomach, and he screamed terribly, and his face was all twisted in agony. He made this unimaginable sound, he was screaming so horribly. But then finally he stopped,” one unnamed member of the unit told the New York Times in 1995, recalling a victim who had been infected with the plague. “This was all in a day’s work for the surgeons, but it really left an impression on me because it was my first time.”
Several thousand people, and maybe many more, were experimented to death by the unit.
When the second world war was over Unit 731 members were supposed to be put on trial for the war crimes they had committed. The U.S. military stopped that as it had planned to use what Unit 731 had learned for its own wars:
The same year that Mr. Morimura’s book was released, an American journalist, John W. Powell, wrote in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists that the U.S. government had granted immunity to members of Unit 731 in exchange for the laboratory records from their research. Mr. Morimura alleged the same. For years, the United States dismissed reports of the unit’s experiments as Cold War propaganda.
There is no further mentioning of this in the rest of the Washington Post obit.
The reader is left hanging without learning if those U.S. government claims of 'Cold War propaganda' were true or false.
The U.S. did of course do what had been alleged. Documents were released that proved it. The U.S. had done much more.
The Post also repeats false U.S. claims that the Japanese government had hindered war crime trials against the units members:
However, according to U.S. officials, the Japanese government continued to decline to assist American efforts to place perpetrators on a list of war criminals prohibited from entering the United States. Ishii lived in freedom until he died of throat cancer in 1959. The Times reported that other Unit 731 veterans became governor of Tokyo, president of the Japan Medical Association and chief of the Japanese Olympic Committee.
It was the U.S. government, not the Japanese one, which gave immunity to Unit 731 members. It even paid them high amounts for their knowledge:
The US government offered full political immunity to high-ranking officials who were instrumental in perpetrating crimes against humanity, in exchange of the data about their experiments. Among those was Shiro Ishii, the commander of Unit 731. During the cover-up operation, the U.S. government paid money to obtain data on human experiments conducted in China, according to two declassified U.S. government documents.The total amount paid to unnamed former members of the infamous unit was somewhere between 150,000 yen to 200,000 yen. An amount of 200,000 yen at that time is the equivalent of 20 million yen to 40 million yen today.
40 million yen today are the equivalent of $284,000. Nicer to have than not to have ...
The U.S. military used the knowledge gained from Unit 731 to developed a number of biological weapons and to test them, allegedly also on humans. It even used those weapons, like Unit 731, during the war against North Korea and China.
As Jeffrey Kaye, who has long studied the case, writes:
A preponderance of the evidence over the past couple of years has established that the U.S. used biological weapons in its war with North Korea and China in the early 1950s. This is based on CIA, Department of Defense and other government documents, as well as a close reading of the confessions of twenty-five U.S. airmen. It is time now to move on to an examination of how the U.S. pulled off the operation.
The story that follows documents what seems like an unsuccessful attempt by Air Force flyers to tip off the press and government officials to the secret U.S germ warfare campaign then underway in Korea and Northeast China. This attempt at military whistleblowing allows for a wider consideration today of the evidence surrounding the germ warfare charges, especially how the bioattacks were organized.
By repeating the U.S. government false claims of 'Cold War propaganda', by not correcting it and by repeating false U.S. statements which accuse the Japanese government of hindering the war crime trials, the Washington Post is covering up the U.S. war crimes that were based on the experiments Unit 731 had made.
Posted by b on July 28, 2023 at 16:45 UTC | Permalink
next page »I'm puzzled by the way Bezos runs the Washington Post.
When he used to run Amazon he drove a pathological dedication to "the facts" and decisions made on a brutal acceptance of "the truth".
Even if "facts" and "truth" meant that warehouse workers had to be shipped out to mobile hospitals at regular intervals.
New Business, New Profit Model, I suppose ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 28 2023 16:58 utc | 2
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 28 2023 16:57 utc | 1
Basically, the Washington Post is committing a crime against humanity by aiding and abetting those that committed war crimes.
The goyim do not matter.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 28 2023 17:00 utc | 3
Funny, b expects the Washington Post not to cover up the U.S war crime.
Posted by: Steve | Jul 28 2023 17:02 utc | 4
Several thousand people, and maybe many more, were experimented to death by the unit.... and it wasn't the last time something like that happened.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 28 2023 17:05 utc | 5
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 28 2023 16:58 utc | 2
I believe one of his side businesses is cloud services for CIA. Talk about union of state and corporate power.
Bezo bought pravda on the potomac...
to ingratiate himself with the 'commanders' in the district(isn't most of his corps money made via gov contracts?)and have a tax write off etc....
Posted by: Pooblius | Jul 28 2023 17:12 utc | 7
Joseph Needham showed not long after the events had occurred that the US engaged in biowarfare attacks in the Korean War. Which is to say 'as part of the UN mission.'
Nobody seriously doubts that they did. Just as they used bio weapons in Vietnam and, possibly, through British allies in Malaya too.
The US government and media have always denied it.
It is in the light of this history that Russians look at the denial of the current development of bio warfare in Ukraine. And the apparent use of the chemical sarin gas in Syria.
It is also understood that the US used biowarfare attacks against Cuba.
When the Washington Post starts telling the truth about its imperial master that will be headline news.
Posted by: bevin | Jul 28 2023 17:12 utc | 8
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 28 2023 17:08 utc | 6
I believe one of his side businesses is cloud services for CIA.
I can confirm it is, having once been a serf ploughing particular feudal lord's pastures ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 28 2023 17:13 utc | 9
The Government pays a foreign country to engage in biological warfare research then covers it up, then the whole thing is covered up by the Washington Post. I seem to remember something similar happening recently, but just can't seem to put my finger on it.
History doesn't repeat itself or even rhyme. It continues unchanging on its merry way.
Posted by: Phil R | Jul 28 2023 17:21 utc | 10
We know now that the US funded and outsourced ‘gain-of-function’ research on the SARS virus to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, in China. We also know that the manipulated virus, Covid 19, escaped from the lab, likely due to poor safety protocols. As a result, 7 million people worldwide have died from this virus. We also know that the US continues to fund dozens of similar bio labs around the world including over two dozen labs alone in the Ukraine, one the most corrupt governments on the planet that is infested with neo-Nazi elements. The US Congress and its regime-media are silent about this.
Posted by: Foghorn | Jul 28 2023 17:25 utc | 11
How many are still at Gitmo?
What about the torture shit in Iraq?
What about Assange?
What about Covid?
The shit show of Western social organization with Hand, The Invisible moving the levers is quite the statement about our species "evolution" or lack thereof.
The West needs to admit it has a global private finance problem and then seek to rectify it.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 28 2023 17:26 utc | 12
fully agree with you b - last paragraph... that summarizes it exactly.. more bullshit from wapo... oh well.. what else is new??
Posted by: james | Jul 28 2023 17:40 utc | 13
It's frustrating how many people still express surprise at these types of activities by the US Government or it's Ministry of Truth. It's who they are, it's what they do, and it's been that way for a long damn time.
Posted by: JustAMaverick | Jul 28 2023 18:02 utc | 14
The WaPo loses money, so no worries there...the profits come from CIA and other Deep State tentacles...Victoria Nuland testified before Congress that the US had 46 bio-labs in the Ukraine, a number of which have been captured by Russia...Those labs had been using Ukrainian citizens as test subjects....
Posted by: pyrrhus | Jul 28 2023 18:03 utc | 15
The US medical research in the field of cardiac surgery also has used the results of the German experiments on Russian POWs; I refer to the infamous experiments when the men were submerged in ice cold water, in full gear, until they became unconscious, the were than resuscitated, put in bed with naked women, to warm them up, than they were again put back in the ice water until they died. The results of these experiments were taken by the Univ. of Minnesota, if I remember correctly, and they were than applied to the method of paralyzing the heart for the purpose of cardiac surgery. There was disagreement at that time if the university was doing something unethical by using the resaults of these (in)human experiments. This episode of medical history has not been publicized much.
Posted by: fanto | Jul 28 2023 18:03 utc | 16
My father-in-law was captured on Corregidor island, Philippines on April 23, 1941. From there he was sent to Manchuria where he worked in a POW camp building machine tools for the Japanese until August 1945.
He and the other POWs were used as experiments for multiple biological agents. Few, if any, died from the really nasty stuff the Japanese were brewing. He showed me how they faked taking in deep breaths when the Japanese were subjecting them to some really nasty biologicals.
Even with their trickery, I wondered for many years why the "weakened" POWs did not die in massive numbers from the biological experiments of the Japanese.
The best answer I could come up with was the POWs were pretty much starved. In the state of low food input, this actually strengthened their immune system so they were able to kill off their exposure to these biologicals before they killed them.
Of course my father-in-law survived the war and had one daughter. We married in 1979.
He was the best friend I ever had in this life. Sure do miss both him and his wonderful daughter who passed in 2007.
Note: He told me a lot of interesting things about WWII. I have a first person collection of his experiences in WWII. He was one tough dude. He easily could put me to the ground by gripping my hand tightly. I don't know how many times he did that and I almost cried. He got a real kick in doing that.
Posted by: young | Jul 28 2023 18:07 utc | 17
LOL this is going great, Russia proper attacked once again
Ukraine targeted Russian city with missile – Moscow
The Russian military condemns the incident in Taganrog as a “terrorist attack” on civilians
on RT
Russia=Always 1 step behind
Posted by: Guest of Arch Bungle | Jul 28 2023 18:09 utc | 18
put in bed with naked women, to warm them up...
Posted by: fanto | Jul 28 2023 18:03 utc | 16
That doesn't sound too bad. The rest of it is a little extreme...
Posted by: Phil R | Jul 28 2023 18:10 utc | 19
Here is a pdf from archive.org of book which goes into the gruesome deeds of Unit 731.
It is disgusting that the USA brought these monsters here, and that our news outlets don't tell the truth about these Japanese paperclips.
Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 28 2023 18:11 utc | 20
Then there were the Tuskegee experiment after the second world war. The US had a lot in common with Mengele, et. al. A win, win for fascism.
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 28 2023 18:18 utc | 21
The US had a lot in common with Mengele, et. al.
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 28 2023 18:18 utc | 21
Well, yeah
US: run by jews
Mengele: jew
Posted by: Mike | Jul 28 2023 18:36 utc | 23
The things that the Seppoe state gets up to gives Attila the Hun a good name.
Posted by: Squeeth | Jul 28 2023 18:38 utc | 24
The US voter has elected the same warmongers to Congress over and over and over again. Congress, the MSM, DARPA,CIA, Pentagon, NSA, Homeland Security, AIPAC,TSA,are all criminal branches of the criminal US government. We are talking about the nastiest, most murdering regime in world history. The evidence is in front of your face. Yet the US elector sustains thie regime.
Posted by: Johnj | Jul 28 2023 18:51 utc | 25
Mao is often quoted to say: Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
Propagandists in the West twist is to mean Mao has no legitimacy; he forces his power among the masses - unlike the civilized, democratic West.
Reading stories like this make one understand why Mai is right. Talk all you want. Righteousness - Polirucal Power - flows out of the barrel of gun. It’s an unfortunate world, but one in which we live.
Posted by: Allen | Jul 28 2023 18:57 utc | 26
The British experimeted on Australian army volunteers in 1944 qld with mustard gas. They wanted to see how long a fighting force could operate in the tropics. Everywhere that sweated and the gas in the fabric touched the skin was horrible burns. Guys had crothes and armpits burnt beyond recognition. Never volunteer in the army was my grandfathers advice.
Posted by: hankster | Jul 28 2023 18:58 utc | 27
US troops in Ukraine can now earn hazard pay
Service members in Ukraine can now earn an extra $7.50 per day, capped at $225 per month, in addition to their base salary and other bonuses. Troops who qualify will get back pay dating as far back as April 24, 2022, the official said.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 28 2023 19:07 utc | 28
Aspen Security Conference, Bioweapons from your DNA
Here we have a higher tier member of the US empire, Jason Crow, projecting onto other nations what his empire has been doing for years if not decades: collecting DNA from adversaries so they can be targeted with various kinds of genetically modified bio weapons like viruses and bacteria. I'm fairly certain that Chavez was assasinated by such an engineered bio weapon.
It also shouldn't come as a surprise that when the US bio weapons program that started in 1943 and went underground in 1969 (ostensibly it was stopped), that slightly more than a decade later we see a particular virus surfacing which if you'd look at the demographics that became the main victims, the pace and area of spreading coincides with the bio weapons program going underground.
Posted by: xor | Jul 28 2023 19:15 utc | 29
Posted by: fanto | Jul 28 2023 18:03 utc | 16Posted by: fanto | Jul 28 2023 18:03 utc | 16
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I saw the actual records of ice water experiments on display in Dachau in the early seventies. The purpose was to understand the survival period of shot down German pilots in cold Northern waters.
The most chilling annotation was the sign of a cross next to date and time of death.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 28 2023 19:16 utc | 30
Of course, why wouldn't we consider releasing medication that is neither proven safe nor effective and provide near-total immunity for the producers? It's endemic in the culture. The world is my lab.
Posted by: Stumpy | Jul 28 2023 19:24 utc | 31
Recall our gov‘t had a series of secret Germ warfare trials over San Francisco in the early 1960s. When the story was finally exposed a few decades later - our gov‘t said it-wasn’t-Bad-germ-warfare-stuff honest injun.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 28 2023 19:54 utc | 32
Jeffrey Kaye has wealth of information on biological warfare, with emphasis on the Korean conflict.
https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54
Posted by: Thurl | Jul 28 2023 20:06 utc | 33
Sorry for being off-topic, but it's been a while since the last Ukraine O/T and this is more related to Russia anyway.
What does the bar think about the alleged imprisonment of Boris Kagarlitsky by the RF?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 28 2023 20:06 utc | 34
" We know now that the US funded and outsourced ‘gain-of-function’ research on the SARS virus to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, in China. "
Yet China allowed it
" We also know that the manipulated virus, Covid 19, escaped from the lab, likely due to poor safety protocols. As a result, 7 million people worldwide have died from this virus. "
The lab was staffed by Chinese.
" We also know that the US continues to fund dozens of similar bio labs around the world including over two dozen labs alone in the Ukraine, one the most corrupt governments on the planet that is infested with neo-Nazi elements. "
Yet China, Russia and others dont file formal " crimes against humanity " charges against the US while simultaneously presenting all the evidence to the world.
" The US Congress and its regime-media are silent about this. "
But so is China, Russia and everyone else.
" Posted by: Foghorn | Jul 28 2023 17:25 utc | 11 "
Posted by: Shocked | Jul 28 2023 20:16 utc | 35
The us govt is a criminal enterprise now and has been for centuries, to state the obvious. Small pox on blankets given to the Indians, indeed.
Posted by: Taras 77 | Jul 28 2023 20:24 utc | 36
the pentagon's darpa contracted with moderna in 2013 to participate in the "pandemic prevention program", the idea was fool the human cell to react to a pathogen, establish and immunity and go into battle where exposure would be a threat.
so they were ready in 2020!
wonder why darpa did not advance the 2013 effort?
Posted by: paddy | Jul 28 2023 20:30 utc | 37
On this topic, two disturbing films from RT-Documentary channel:
Biological Warfare Department (50 min)
https://rumble.com/v31zl9i-biological-warfare-department-rt-documentary.html
About the US biolabs across Eurasia; strange deaths in Ukraine; flocks of migratory birds washing up dead on Crimean shores; resurgence of anthrax in Georgia (after SU had eradicated it); murky origins of bird flu in Indonesia; interview with survivor of Harbin Japanese occupation
Ukraine: Drug Testing Ground (25 min)
(blood warning)
https://rumble.com/v30194s-ukraine-drug-testing-ground-rt-documentary.html
About wide drug use in Ukraine; origins in MKUltra 'super soldier' program; 'drugged tea' causing 2014 Maidan frenzy; drug use in AFU; trenches filled with syringes; abnormal cruelty and endurance of AFU; interview with AFU prisoner
Posted by: Browser | Jul 28 2023 20:53 utc | 38
Perhaps I've missed this point but I can't find it fleshed out anywhere - why hasn't the US pushed hard to blame China for lab leak Covid? It would seem like a no brainer. They hate China and want to do anything to harm them, so why not say they created Covid in a lab?
Unless........ the US had hired China to investigate Covid and the US paid to have it done.
Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 28 2023 20:54 utc | 39
Biological warfare during the Korean War was thoroughly documented at time it happened and vehemently denied ever since by the U.S. If you're suffering from insomnia, you can tackle the 700+ pages of the International Scientific Commission report on the subject. Particularly interesting are the hand-written confessions by U.S. military personnel contained in later appendices.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4334133-ISC-Full-Report-Pub-Copy.html
Posted by: Olly Garch | Jul 28 2023 21:03 utc | 40
Biological warfare during the Korean War was thoroughly documented at time it happened and vehemently denied ever since by the U.S. If you're suffering from insomnia, you can tackle the 700+ pages of the International Scientific Commission report on the subject. Particularly interesting are the hand-written confessions by U.S. military personnel contained in later appendices.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4334133-ISC-Full-Report-Pub-Copy.html
Posted by: Olly Garch | Jul 28 2023 21:03 utc | 41
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 28 2023 18:18 utc | 21
Read Harriet Washington, Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present, if you dare. It's illustrated.
RT's documentary Death Factories (rumble.com) copy is also available at the channel.
Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 28 2023 21:12 utc | 42
In the Stephen Kinzer book Sidney Gottlieb: Poisoner-in-Chief, the author details the horrors inflicted on unwitting civilian victims by the secret CIA mind control research lab headed by Gottlieb.
Going by recollection only, some of the gems including setting up a brothel in which victims were given LSD without their knowledge in unimaginably enormous doses, people were rounded up across the world post WWII when’s there were many homeless and otherwise disaffected, and brought to the US as guinea pigs in terrible CIA experiments. In one chapter it is told how orphans are given cereal laced with radioactive substances so researchers could observe how they were affected.
The lab experimented with poisons both man made and those extracted from nature such as poison toads and snakes and plants. Researchers performed vivisections to visually observe the internal organs at the time of death.
America the Good.
Posted by: nwwoods | Jul 28 2023 21:29 utc | 43
USA has used nuclear, biological and chemical weapons in war. The only country to use all of them. Now uses banned cluster munitions too. If not for the SMO USA would have unleashed biological weapons on Russian civilians from Ukraine.
Russia and China must recognize these facts and have their own biological and chemical weapons ready.
The Americas are isolated geographically from the rest of the world and house not even 10 percent of world population. A perfect target for biological weapons in a war. The opposite is not so. A biological attack on Russia or China will spillover to US friendly countries too unless it can be contained which is very difficult as the COVID pandemic showed.
This gives Russia and China a competitive advantage in biological and chemical weapons use against USA and are guarded against retaliatory biochemical attacks.
This competitive advantage must be exploited to have the means ready.
Posted by: Jason | Jul 28 2023 21:31 utc | 44
#11
"We also know that the manipulated virus, Covid 19, escaped from the lab, likely due to poor safety protocols."
No, sorry, we do not know how the virus was dispersed. The yankees knew already in November, that is before the Chinese, that an epidemy will occur in China.
Events201 started the same day as the military games in Wuhan, where several athletes became ill.
Posted by: libegafra | Jul 28 2023 21:31 utc | 45
Some high lights from a Caitlin Johnstone article on Consortium News about the premotion of the cookie lady, with a nod to "b" and MoA.
"The Biden administration looks set to become even more warlike if you can imagine that, with virulent Russia hawk Victoria Nuland and virulent China hawk Charles Q. Brown now being elevated to lofty positions by the White House."
"Nuland, the wife of alpha neocon Robert Kagan, has been named acting deputy secretary of state by President Joe Biden, at least until a new deputy secretary has been named. This places her as second-in-command within the State Department, right behind Tony Blinken."
"In a 2015 Consortium News article headlined “The Mess That Nuland Made,” the late Robert Parry singled out Nuland as the primary architect of the 2014 regime change operation in Ukraine, which, as Aaron Maté explained last year, paved the way to the war we’re seeing there today. Hopefully her position winds up being temporary...."
"In other news, the Senate Arms Services Committee has voted to confirm Biden’s selection of Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr. as the next chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, replacing Mark Milley. A full senate vote will now take place on whether to confirm Brown — currently the Air Force Chief of Staff — for the nation’s highest military office. Brown is unambiguous about his belief that the U.S. must hasten to militarize against China in the so-called Indo-Pacific to prepare for confrontation between the two powers, calling for more U.S. bases in the region and increased efforts to arm Taiwan during his hearing before the Senate Arms Services Committee earlier this month."
[and finally, this nod to "b" ]
"Back in May, Moon of Alabama flagged Brown’s nomination in an article which also noted that several advocates of military restraint had been resigning from their positions within the administration, including Wendy Sherman, the deputy secretary of state replaced by Nuland."
"It’s too soon to draw any firm conclusions, but to see voices of restraint stepping down and proponents of escalation stepping up could be a bad portent of things to come."
Caitlin Johnstone’s
Posted by: Ed | Jul 28 2023 21:35 utc | 46
This gives Russia and China a competitive advantage in biological and chemical weapons use against USA and are guarded against retaliatory biochemical attacks.
This competitive advantage must be exploited to have the means ready.
Posted by: Jason | Jul 28 2023 21:31 utc | 44
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Jason! Jason! Calm down guy. Stop and think about what you are saying. Are you calling for a first strike of biological and chemical weapons? Once those weapons are used, the nukes will come next; don't you think?
Posted by: Ed | Jul 28 2023 21:48 utc | 47
I'll again provide the connection with RT Documentaries recent film, "Biological Warfare Department:
The Alarming Truth About Pentagon's Secret Worldwide Biolab Network".
nwwoods | Jul 28 2023 21:29 utc | 43
In one chapter it is told how orphans are given cereal laced with radioactive substances so researchers could observe how they were affected.
Close.
1944-1956 The Fernald School for retarded children in Massachusetts were the victims of Harvard university, MIT and the Quaker Oats company who feed radioactive substances to children without their or their parents knowledge for ten years. I met them when they were in their thirties and forties and were dying. The courts set up The Fernald Colony a large organic farm where they supplied the milk for all Massachusetts institutions. All done with horse and ox.
Posted by: Dodgy Bodger | Jul 28 2023 22:03 utc | 49
Acco @30
you wrote:
I saw the actual records of ice water experiments on display in Dachau in the early seventies. The purpose was to understand the survival period of shot down German pilots in cold Northern waters.
Thanks for confirmation of this story; I had the source for it but can not find it quickly. I do remember that this was to help understand how long the German pilots can survive in the North Sea, after being shot down. And the story of controversy in the USA - whether to use the data is not my imagination either.
Posted by: fanto | Jul 28 2023 22:07 utc | 50
"It’s too soon to draw any firm conclusions, but to see voices of restraint stepping down and proponents of escalation stepping up could be a bad portent of things to come." Ed@46
Craig Murray, who seems to be recovering slowly from his Russophobia. has an interesting column today:
"The Guardian has been publishing calls for NATO to declare war on Russia. Twitter is awash with fanatic “liberals” arguing there can be no negotiated settlement to the war in Ukraine, and the war must only end with Ukraine recovering all territory including Crimea.
"The most crazed sometimes go further and suggest the war may only end with regime change in Russia.
"It does not require any special degree of intelligence to see the dangers of insisting on the unconditional surrender, and the personal incarceration or death, of those with their finger on the big red button, in a war against a nuclear power..."
More interesting perhaps are the comments, most of which show a far deeper understanding of the causes of the situation in Ukraine than the Foreign Office schooled Murray.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/07/beware-the-righteous/
Posted by: bevin | Jul 28 2023 22:26 utc | 51
@Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 28 2023 20:06 utc | 34
Just a quick take on Boris Kagarlitsky:
Kagarlitsky maybe had some merit as a leftist, possibly even marxist critic of corruption in Russia and of autocratic elements in the Russian politican system and in Russian society. But since Russian troops marched into Ukraine his posts seem to be mostly about how shit everything is in Russia. Russia is corrupt, Russia is losing the war, the political elite is just a bunch of irreconcibably incompetent wankers, etc. You know the drill.
More concretely apparently it's posts like this one about the first attack on the Kerch Bridge that prosecutors might focus on.
https://t.me/kagarlitsky/1010
Very many in Russia see the attack on the Kerch bridge as an act of terrorism as does the legal system there, whereas Kagarlitsky just rambles on about how the bridge is just a stupid prestige project for Putin, how insanely overpriced the bridge is because of corruption, and more like this.
The ongoing investigation apparently happens in regard to article 205 of the Russian Criminal Code ("support for terrorism"). I'm leaning towards being critical of said article. It's far too broadly applicable and might shut down necessary critique of actual problems in Russia. But at the same time, man, somebody needs to tell Kagarlitsky that there is a time and a place for that, any maybe also a proper tone for it. Western liberals are incapable of getting this point, but generally speaking every society needs to have some sort of answer to these elements of abject shit slinging and national demoralisation, especially in times of existential crises. But then again, maybe this is just a warning shot to him, where he kisses the ring again, accepts a moderate penalty and life goes on. Wouldn't bet on it though, guy seems to be a stubborn one.
Posted by: Roland | Jul 28 2023 22:45 utc | 52
Nobody takes the biological or neurological poisoning of normal human beings to turn them into proxy terrorists seriously.
Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were encarcersted after 9/ 11 in prisons
across the world. This was the perfect crime because once these normal people had been brainwashed into incandescent rage they could be portrayed by MSM as fanatics, a word used by the British in India for anybody who refused to work for them.
There's a taboo about turning peaceful Muslims into proxy fighters for USUKIS, or peaceful Ukranians into proxy fighters against Russia for USUKIS.
Personally I find it astonishing that military men and women who discuss the chard realities of war on MoA refuse to address the question of how proxy
terrorists were created. All Armies toughen their soldiers with severe physical and mental stress to make them more ruthless. That's well documented, British soldiers being water-boarded during training. But because of the label Muslim or Nazi , prejudice sets in ,they were asking for that.
Most Muslims were brought up in the bosom of adoring families, not like us neglected Brits, or those like me who were sent to boarding schools between 5 or 8 , indefinitely. I am certain that jihadists and Banderites have been chemically brainwashed from.being normal into being extremist.
But I am also totally resigned to the fact that nobody will face up to this taboo. Does nobody think that the same Usukis that experiments on pathogens is capable of brainwashing normal people into terrorism. The perfect crime, a taboo.
Posted by: Giyane | Jul 28 2023 23:12 utc | 53
Oh, there is already another discussion going on Kagarlitsky on the other thread. Oh well, I blame it on Tom. ;)
This Draitser guy though, bleh:
"Boris’s detention is also a reminder of the cancerous politics of the utterly discredited and morally bankrupt sections of the Left that have downplayed Russian crimes, tacitly or overtly justified Russian aggression under the false banner of “anti-imperialism,” and otherwise provided left-wing cover for this war of imperial revanchism."
I'd bet that none of these talking people actually read Lenin or Stalin or Losurdo on this point. It's just a childish "NO, YOU!" tantrum.
Posted by: Roland | Jul 28 2023 23:12 utc | 54
Sorry for being off-topic, but it's been a while since the last Ukraine O/T and this is more related to Russia anyway.
What does the bar think about the alleged imprisonment of Boris Kagarlitsky by the RF?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 28 2023 20:06 utc | 34
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Well Tom. if you read my comment about Boris Kagarlitsky and Eric Draitser’s move to the dark side of US imperialism. Never the less, before the SMO I might well have agreed with much what Boris had to say, even criticism of President Putin: after all, he does claim to be a "Marxist-Leninist" doesn't he? Well today, I know a number of so called "Marxist-Leninist" who have moved to the Darkside. And I think Boris is just another one.
It is my understanding that the second largest party in Russia: The Communist Party of the Russian Federation (CPRF), supports the war and Putin's prosecution of it. What is Boris's problem, I suspect a western connection.
Posted by: Ed | Jul 28 2023 23:40 utc | 55
@Tom_Q_Collins #34
@Roland #52
The blog’s author has repeatedly asked not to post off-topic comments. Kagarlitsky’s arrest can be discussed in the latest non-Ukraine open thread. Just because that thread was created yesterday, doesn’t mean that it’s somehow invalid.
Posted by: S | Jul 28 2023 23:53 utc | 56
I have collected sources on the US bioweapons program on these two pages:
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 29 2023 0:03 utc | 57
Posted by: Giyane | Jul 28 2023 23:12 utc | 53
If you're interested in this topic, I would highly suggest reading Programmed to Kill by David McGowan.
It's a stomach-turning read and I have my doubts about some things in the book, but it is abundantly clear that the intelligence behemoth has been focusing for decades on ways to transform people into mindless killers on behalf of empire, even at the margins.
Posted by: warxism | Jul 29 2023 0:03 utc | 58
Did Canada supply “infected insects” to U.S. Military during the Korean War? (The Canada Files, Jeffrey S. Kaye, March 14, 2023)
Posted by: S | Jul 29 2023 0:12 utc | 60
Unit 731's crimes had absolutely no similarity with those if Mengele. Mengele has been made a post WWII scapegoat for all nazi medical experimenters basically because he got away. Most of the crimes ascribed to him either were committed by one of the many other nazi doctors at Auschwitz, where he was a relatively minor member of the medical department, or did not occur at all. Even the 2020 biography Mengele: Unmasking The Angel Of Death by Jewish author David Marwell acknowledges this. Ironically, the crimes of nazi experimenters like Sigmund Rascher are never mentioned the days...probably because most of them were committed not against Jews, but on Soviet prisoners of war.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 29 2023 0:33 utc | 61
Kissinger goes to China and then Victoria biolabs Nuland gets promoted and the China hawk she replaced gets demoted.
Just saying.
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jul 29 2023 0:56 utc | 62
Eighthman | Jul 28 2023 20:54 utc | 39:
"...why hasn't the US pushed hard to blame China for lab leak Covid? It would seem like a no brainer. They hate China and want to do anything to harm them, so why not say they created Covid in a lab?Unless........ the US had hired China to investigate Covid and the US paid to have it done.
It is worse than that. Much worse.
You see, the lab that actually leaked COVID was the US bioweapons headquarters in Fort Detrick, Maryland in 2019. The Wuhan Institute of Virology was just cataloging and sequencing wild viruses for the University of North Carolina (Chapel Hill). No "gain of function" research was being conducted there at all.
But it gets worse.
COVID was deliberately seeded in Wuhan in the hope that would muddy the trail and obscure where the disease really came from. The plan was to use Wuhan's status as China's transportation crossroads to assure the COVID would spread widely during China's massive New Years holiday travel season, economically crippling China and delaying tracking the source of the outbreak. This makes the SARS-COV MKII outbreak in China a deliberate biological weapon attack by the US on China.
You are correct to realize that if China were actually responsible for the COVID outbreak then the US government and mass media would be all over it. The fact they have constantly tried to blow smoke about the origins of COVID is part of the proof it was an American bioweapon attack on China (and a lab leak in the US).
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 29 2023 1:04 utc | 63
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 28 2023 17:00 utc | 3
Yes, when you're the chosen people the humanity of all others is erased. You take a pre-modern symbolic and religious belief and mix in some Enlightenment science and theory. A good exploration is Enzo Traverso's The Origins of Nazi Violence.
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 29 2023 1:20 utc | 64
I'm beginning to believe that all the key media narratives are manufactured by people who simply copy and paste from obscure science fiction books and pretty up the story a little:
Chapter OneMR. RABBIT VISITS BARCELONA
Within the intelligence services of the Indo-European Alliance, there were a handful of bureaucratic superstars, people such as Gunberk Braun of the EUIB. Hopefully, their identities were unknown - or a mass of contradictions - to the general public. The superstars had their own heroes. In particular, when people like Gunberk Braun were confronted with the most desperate problems, there was a place to get help. ...
Braun took his terrifying discovery to Vaz. At first, the older man was as taken aback as Braun himself had been. But Vaz was a fixer. "With the proper human resources, you can solve almost any problem," he said. "Give me a few days. Let's see what I can dig up."
In downtown Barcelona, three days later:
The rabbit hopped onto the unoccupied wicker chair and thence to the middle of the table, between the teacups and the condiments. It tipped its top hat first at Alfred Vaz and then at Gunberk Braun and Keiko Mitsuri. "Have I got a deal for you!" it said. Altogether, it was an unremarkable example of its type.
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"We have needs that are more basic than picking the brains of a few thousand analysts. Our questions require serious, um, experimentation. Some of that has already been done. Much remains. All together, our project is the size you might imagine for a government crash research program."The rabbit grinned, revealing ivory incisors. "Heh. A government crash program? That's twentieth-century foolishness. Market demands are always more effective. You just have to fool the market into cooperating."
"Maybe. But what we want to do is..." The hell of it was, even the cover story was extreme. "What we want is, um, administrative authority at a large physical laboratory."The rabbit froze, and for an instant it looked like a real herbivore, one suddenly caught in a bright light. "Oh? What kind of physical lab?"
"Globally integrated life sciences."
"Well, well, well." Rabbit sat back, communing with itself - hopefully with itself alone. EU Intelligence set a sixty-five percent probability that Rabbit was not sharing the big picture with others, ninety-five percent that it was not a tool of China or the U.S.A. Alfred's own organization in India was even more confident of these assumptions.
The rabbit set down his teacup. "I'm intrigued. So this is not an information-provision job. You really want me to subvert a major installation."
"Just for a short time," said Gunberk.
"Whatever. You've come to the right fellow." Its nose quivered. "I'm sure you know the possibilities. In Europe there are a scattering of top institutions, but none is totally integrated - and for now they remain in the backwash of sites in China and the U.S.A."
Vaz didn't nod, but the rabbit was right. There were brilliant researchers the world over, but only a few data-intensive labs. In the twentieth century, technical superiority of major labs might last thirty years. Nowadays, things changed faster, but Europe was a little behind. The Bhopal complex in India was more integrated, but lagging in micro-automation. It might be several years before China and the U.S.A. lost their current edge.
The rabbit was chuckling to itself: "Hm, hm. So it must be either the labs in Wuhan or those in Southern California. I could work my miracles with either, of course." That was a lie, or else Alfred's people had totally misjudged this fine furry friend.
Keiko said, "We'd prefer the biotech complex in San Diego, California."
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.Keiko: "We don't know it's the Americans, Gunberk. The San Diego labs support researchers all over the world."
"That is so. And a week ago I was as dubious as you. But now... consider: The weapons test was a masterpiece of cloaking. We were incredibly lucky to notice it. The test was a work of patience and professionalism, at the level of a Great Power. Great Powers have their own inertia and bureaucratic caution. Field testing must necessarily be done in the outside world, but they do not run their weapons development in labs they do not own."
Keiko made a sound like faraway chimes. "But why would a Great Power plot a revolution in plague delivery? What profit is there in that?"
Gunberk nodded. "Yes, such destruction would make sense for a cult, but not for a superpower. At first, my conclusion was a nightmare without logic. But my analysts have been over this again and again. They've concluded that the ‘honeyed-nougat symptom' was not simply a stand-in for lethal disease. In fact, it was an essential feature of the test. This enemy is aiming at something greater than instant biowarfare strikes. This enemy is close to having an effective YGBM technology."
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Poor Gunberk. He had the truth exactly backwards. Effective YGBM would not be the end of everything. In the right hands, YGBM technology was the one thing that could solve the modern paradox, harnessing the creativity of humankind without destroying the world in the process. In fact, it was humankind's only hope for surviving the twenty-first century. And in San Diego, I am so close to success. He had insinuated his project into the bio labs three years earlier. The great breakthrough had come less than a year ago. His test at the soccer match had proven the delivery system. In another year or so, he'd have developed higher semantic controls. With that, he could reliably control those immediately around him. Much more important, he could spread the new infection across whole populations and engineer a few universally viewed transmissions. Then he would be in control. For the first time in history, the world would be under adult supervision.
Vernor Vinge. Rainbow's end.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2023 1:37 utc | 65
@ William Gruff | Jul 29 2023 1:04 utc | 63 with the Covid timeline as empire bio-weapon...thanks
Us barflies that have lived through that experience at the MoA bar know that history you write of as knowledge of it evolved here.
Just because we live in a MAD world does not mean that empire stops searching for barbaric "Might-Makes-Right" ways to pursue the same goals. The bio-chemical genie, IMO, is just as dangerous as the nuclear genie and humanity needs to understand the mentality that pursues those methods of control as anti-humanistic behavior.
That mentality exudes from the God Of Mammon cult and we are seeing it challenged by the China/Russia axis. IMO, we should know how successful that challenge is fairly soon given the rate of crazy desperation all over our globe we are witnessing........to be a full three-ring circus, the aliens have to come on soon....grin
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 29 2023 1:55 utc | 66
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 29 2023 1:20 utc | 64
A good exploration is Enzo Traverso's The Origins of Nazi Violence.
Never heard of this. Picking it up, thank you.
Posted by: warxism | Jul 29 2023 2:03 utc | 67
Posted by: warxism | Jul 29 2023 2:03 utc | 67
https://www.amazon.com/Fuhrer-Konrad-Heiden/dp/0785815511
Truly the best book on that odd fellow and fascism, generally. Excellent!
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 29 2023 4:00 utc | 68
The UNIT 731 issue and America's embrace of Japanese war criminals after World War 2 is the equivalent of America's Operation Paper Clip, where the "Land of the Free" embraced Nazi war criminals and brought them to the USA to become part of the American military-intelligence apparatus.
Beyond these issues, it raises another explosive topic that most Americans--including many "alternative" media commentators--don't want to admit:
America is by far the world's leading terrorist nation--even as it claims to be "fighting terrorism" around the world.
American State Terrorism includes not only supporting and arming jihadist groups throughout Eurasia and the Middle East for decades including "former" CIA asset Usama Bin Laden but also staging terrorist attacks like the Nordstream 2 Pipeline attack--or likely the September 11th attacks and even COVID-19 itself.
Implicitly relevant to UNIT 731 biowarfare, this last issue is the 1000 pound gorilla-in-the-living room topic that America in general doesn't want to admit, as it has tried to push other explanations like the natural origin of Covid thesis; the "China/CCP Virus" allegation; or most recently the Wuhan "Lab Leak" line in both mainstream media and supposed alternative media. Even the American establishment mouthpiece Washington Post, for instance, has embraced the Wuhan Lab Leak psyops.
What the Wuhan Lab Leakers avoid addressing is the origin of the Lab Leak allegation itself--namely the American state sponsored mouthpiece Radio Free Asia, which released this assertion in January 2020--curiously even before Covid-19 was deemed such a horrific health threat and was treated by some people as a glorified flu.
U.S. Government Identified as Original Source of Lab Leak Theory. What’s Really Going On?
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/10/u-s-government-identified-as-original-source-of-lab-leak-theory-whats-really-going-on/
Even more interesting is the research by a few Covid skeptics suggesting not only that the Wuhan Lab Leak hypothesis is false but also that this allegation has been deployed by the USA as a red herring to preemptively divert suspicion away from circumstantial evidence suggesting that Covid-19 was an American biowarfare attack against China.
Why the Lab Leak Theory is Almost Certainly False
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/25/why-the-lab-leak-theory-is-almost-certainly-false/
Ron Unz: COVID-19 Was an 'Anti-Economy' Bioweapon by the U.S. Against China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUDS7HVBNAA
COVID-19 Bio-Attack Smoking Gun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIz8IGXxdXI
Posted by: ak74 | Jul 29 2023 4:05 utc | 69
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 29 2023 1:04 utc | 63
Interesting. I don't doubt it at all, but not worth much in my 'circles' without some decent links that can at least paint a vague picture or timeline. Do you have any to share? I've always been willing to believe that the US dropped it during the Military Games, intentionally or accidentally.
That said, it doesn't really matter if there was GoF going on at all - the Wuhan lab (and Chinese labs in general) did have lax safety standards. Take note of the date of this guy's (excellent, IMO) hypothesis and he's not some nasty Trumper trying to blame China. He lays out a very convincing points (from January of 2020!!).
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 29 2023 4:10 utc | 70
ahh BBC was still shilling saying USA funded bioweapons labs in ukraine "total nonsense. march 15 2022
https://www.bbc.com/news/60711705
march 8th Nuland stated there was in a stunning admission after questioning by mark Rubio in congress.
march 11 they both held a presser and admitted they worried RF will grab the now existing biolabs and do a false flag bioweapkns attack.
march 25 NPR is still shilling that its russian disinfo
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1087910880/biological-weapons-far-right-russia-ukraine
Posted by: hankster | Jul 29 2023 4:14 utc | 71
Posted by: S | Jul 28 2023 23:53 utc | 56
Please calm down. I understand that you're probably genuine in the desire to keep topics separate, but there has to be some gray area involved. To wit, this thread still isn't even at 75 posts, and going on recent history that means it will probably top off at 100-120 given the rather obscure subject matter. Trust me; I always check the most recent 'topical' or 'nominal' thread before posting anything somewhat off-topic and there hadn't been much activity on the O/T thread since the meltdown where I ended up getting into it with Exile over his/her/its refusal to debate/discuss the temperature where he/she/it lives in good faith. So rather than put my SHORT post with a SIMPLE question in the Ukraine thread (where it'd have been off topic) or in the O/T (which was kind of dying off) I put it here. FFS, please relax.
Oh, and what about the time you went off on me about the Wagner "mutiny" and how I was questioning the veracity of 7-8 Russian planes/helicopters being shot down and upwards of 20 pilots/crew being killed with zero repercussions for Priggo or any of his top lieutenants? Have you changed your mind on that at all since then? Because I haven't seen an iota of additional "evidence" other than the VERY vague statement by Putin and the TWO still photos and ONE video of an (IIRC) Su-27 going down with its wing on fire.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 29 2023 4:16 utc | 72
S,
Also just FYE (edification) the thread to which you linked and which b labeled "Not Ukraine" is actually titled thusly:
« Battle For Robotyne - Ukraine Open Thread 2023-178 | Main | Ukraine Open Thread 2023-180 »
That seems Ukraine related and therefore I didn't want to post there. I'll allow for the very possible, er, possibility that I read the "topic" wrong or that the blog platform MoA is using makes the thread headlines confusing. That is all.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 29 2023 4:22 utc | 73
William Gruff is correct - You see, the lab that actually leaked COVID was the US bioweapons headquarters in Fort Detrick, Maryland in 2019.
Fort Detrick was also the bioweapons lab that sent out the Anthrax letters in 2001/02.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 29 2023 4:46 utc | 74
It's well and good to discuss the US development and deployment of biological weapons in Korea - the potential revelation of which led to the assassination of a US citizen on US soil (Frank Olson - whose story is partially explored in the mini-series "Wormwood").
As I say - well and good.
People forget or ignore the fact that the 'major powers' dumped hundreds of thousands of tons of blister and nerve agents off the coast of Europe after WWI, and throughout the Pacific after WWII.
If wishes were horses - i.e., if I was in charge - the families of everyone involved in political life would be expropriated unto the seventh generation - i.e., every one of their descendants, down to their great-great-great-great grandchildren would not be permitted to hold assets apart from 'transactional' cash balances.
This would be similar to the ramifications of the Norse concept of "full outlaw" (skóggangur) - permanent loss of all social position and property.
Skóggangur could be killed on sight without ramification - in fact those subject to lesser outlawry (fjörbaugsgarður) could shorten their sentence by killing 3 'full' outlaws.
It took 4 generations to wash off the stain. The 4th generation of descendants were permitted to become friálsgiafi - roughly equal status to a 'newly-freed slave'.
It took a further 4 generations for the descendants of friálsgiafi to become frjálsi ('kin of free men').
And after another 4 generations, they could become karl - property owners.
Think on that: that as a result of your actions, your great-great-grandchildren would still have no right to own property. Still, at least they were a member of society who could not be killed without repercussion.
==
Posted by: Kratoklastes | Jul 29 2023 4:57 utc | 75
Posted by: warxism | Jul 29 2023 2:03 utc | 67
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 29 2023 4:00 utc | 68
This is an interesting read, too. The Occult Roots of Nazism - from archive.org
I hadn't heard of Enzo Traverso's The Origins of Nazi Violence, either. I don't think I have the energy to read it anymore.
Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 29 2023 5:32 utc | 76
On the morning news in the United States, and on a regular basis, for the last three decades, "Here we have an infectious disease expert, a real actual doctor by the way, to tell you about our brand spanking new scary virus...",... "And now a word from our sponsors,... Phizer, who just so happen to have a handy dandy vaccine for that exact kind of thing,...".
So, yeah, there is a distinct possibility that those idiots may have somehow or other been involved in the whole thing.
WRT Kratoklastes | Jul 29 2023 4:57 utc | 75...
Only problem with this proposal is that the really
dangerous sorts don't give a shit about children at
all... yours, mine, theirs...
Fubar
Posted by: Fubar El Haq | Jul 29 2023 6:58 utc | 79
Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 29 2023 4:10 utc | #70
That said, it doesn't really matter if there was GoF going on at all - the Wuhan lab ...
There are GoF and there are GoF: they are very different. Wuhan Lab was NOT doing anything related to Covid-19. The Chinese had plenty of papers published and international scientists working with them before Dec 2019. They were very opened before and shortly after the outbreak. It was only after all the wide accusations started that they decided enough is enough.
... the Wuhan lab (and Chinese labs in general) did have lax safety standards.
This is another anti-Chinese propaganda. The Chinese labs was built with France, and plenty of scientists from the world (e.g. US, Canada, Singapore, Australia, EU, Russia, Japan, and many more) worked along side in the labs. None of them noticed about the "lax safety standards" before the Covid-19 outbreak. The complaints of "lax safety standards" only suddenly came out in MSM after Trump started the "China virus" rants.
Posted by: d dan | Jul 29 2023 7:13 utc | 80
By the time I have read all the posts it will be Tuesday and events will have moved on. Therefore apologies if this is a duplicate, but in the 1950s the CIA drugged an entire French village with lsd just to see what would happen.
https://www.voltairenet.org/article164447.html
When I discussed the FBI memoranda with former Fort Detrick biochemists they confidentially informed me that the New York City experiments “were delayed until after the experiment was conducted in France.” Said one former Special Operations Division scientist, “The overall results of the experiment in southern France were good, but there was also an adverse effect or what would now be called a ‘black swan’ reaction. That several people died was unexpected, completely unexpected. It wasn’t supposed to turn out that way, so it was back to the drawing boards.”
I have always been struck by the fact that they chose a French village for the experiment - were the French in 1950s US minds irrelevant and of no value other than as test subjects? Still occupied and therefore convenient?
Posted by: Occasional poster | Jul 29 2023 7:23 utc | 81
Informative post as usual.
US utilization of bio warfare developed at Manchukuo is an established fact. A less known fact is the installation of the no-less criminal administration of Manchukuo to run post-war Japan, which was effectively transformed into the Kishi-fiefdom.
Posted by: Fadi | Jul 29 2023 7:57 utc | 82
the Wuhan lab (and Chinese labs in general) did have lax safety standards.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 29 2023 4:10 utc | 70
If the work in the lab was paid for by the US. If the US decided what to do, and who works on the projects. If the US chose to do the work in a specific lab: shouldn't we stop talking about Wuhan, and " China virus", and place the credit where it belongs? Call the lab "Fauci labs" and the virus "Donald"? Or Trump- Virus?
Besides reflecting reality much better than the smoke bombs dropped by the US government, using correct names will also conclude the discussion much faster...
As a PS: With all the WHO investigations in China: why don't international WHO experts not request and get access to the project documents in the US?
Posted by: Marvin | Jul 29 2023 8:09 utc | 83
@Tom_Q_Collins #72:
Please calm down.
Where did you get the idea that I am agitated? I am calm.
I understand that you're probably genuine in the desire to keep topics separate, but there has to be some gray area involved.
First of all, I’m not “probably” genuine. I am genuine, period. Secondly, it’s not about my “desire.” As I said, the author of this blog has repeatedly (four times in my memory) asked the commenters not to post off-topic comments. The Ukraine open threads and non-Ukraine open threads are there for a reason.
To wit, this thread still isn't even at 75 posts, and going on recent history that means it will probably top off at 100-120 given the rather obscure subject matter.
Yes, and?
Trust me; I always check the most recent 'topical' or 'nominal' thread before posting anything somewhat off-topic and there hadn't been much activity on the O/T thread since the meltdown where I ended up getting into it with Exile over his/her/its refusal to debate/discuss the temperature where he/she/it lives in good faith.
Whether there has been any activity or not is irrelevant. If your comment does not fit the Ukraine open thread or other posts, it should go into the non-Ukraine open thread.
So rather than put my SHORT post with a SIMPLE question in the Ukraine thread (where it'd have been off topic) or in the O/T (which was kind of dying off) I put it here. FFS, please relax.
Again, I am calm. Nothing in my comment shows agitation or anything like that. For example, I did not use all caps or swearing like you’re doing here. Perhaps, you’re the one who needs to calm down?
Whether your question is short or long, simple or complex is irrelevant. Comments on Kagarlitskiy should go into the non-Ukraine open thread.
Oh, and what about the time you went off on me about the Wagner "mutiny" and how I was questioning the veracity of 7-8 Russian planes/helicopters being shot down and upwards of 20 pilots/crew being killed with zero repercussions for Priggo or any of his top lieutenants? Have you changed your mind on that at all since then? Because I haven't seen an iota of additional "evidence" other than the VERY vague statement by Putin and the TWO still photos and ONE video of an (IIRC) Su-27 going down with its wing on fire.
I “went off” on you and others not for questioning that “7-8 Russian planes/helicopters” were downed, but for questioning that any planes/helicopters were downed—a risible position in the face of the evidence that was already available at the time. I have collected the available evidence in my comments #444, #445 and #456 in Ukraine Open Thread 2023-155.
@Tom_Q_Collins #73:
Also just FYE (edification) the thread to which you linked and which b labeled "Not Ukraine" is actually titled thusly:« Battle For Robotyne - Ukraine Open Thread 2023-178 | Main | Ukraine Open Thread 2023-180 »
No. That’s not the title. These are the navigation links to the preceding thread, the home page and the subsequent thread respectively, displayed in white on dark blue background above the post. The title of the post I linked to is “Open (Not Ukraine) Thread 2023-179,” displayed in black on light blue background.
Posted by: S | Jul 29 2023 8:33 utc | 84
Posted by: Occasional poster | Jul 29 2023 7:23 utc | 81
but in the 1950s the CIA drugged an entire French village with lsd just to see what would happen.
One of the only times the CIA could be accused of having a benign influence.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2023 9:05 utc | 85
Posted by: Occasional poster | Jul 29 2023 7:23 utc | 81
but in the 1950s the CIA drugged an entire French village with lsd just to see what would happen.
One of the only times the CIA could be accused of having a benign influence.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2023 9:05 utc | 86
Finally someone is acknowledging MoAs blog entry on the change of WH staff from May.
"Why Are These Biden Officials Leaving Their Top Posts?"
25/5/23
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/05/why-are-these-top-biden-officials-stepping-down.html
THAT had gone by almost unnoticed.
Caitlin Johnstone yesterday:
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/07/28/caitlin-johnstone-biden-promotes-hardliners/
"Back in May, Moon of Alabama flagged Brown’s nomination in an article which also noted that several advocates of military restraint had been resigning from their positions within the administration, including Wendy Sherman, the deputy secretary of state replaced by Nuland.
It’s too soon to draw any firm conclusions, but to see voices of restraint stepping down and proponents of escalation stepping up could be a bad portent of things to come."
Posted by: AG | Jul 29 2023 9:09 utc | 87
There is also a book that was written by the late California State University professor Sheldon Harris - "Factories of Death, Japanese Biological Warfare, 1932 - 45, and the American Cover-up" that should be required reading on the history of Unit 731.
Posted by: Gerald | Jul 29 2023 9:17 utc | 89
Shouldn't we stop talking about Wuhan, and " China virus", and place the credit where it belongs? Call the lab "Fauci labs" and the virus "Donald"? Or Trump- Virus?
Posted by: Marvin | Jul 29 2023 8:09 utc | 83
Exactly. Same goes for "CCP". American career liars like fat face infowars and head-in-ass-tucker carlson love calling it the "CCP virus". There's no Chinese Communist Party, only a Communist Party of China, but american losers can't have that, because "CPC" doesn't look like the cyrillic letters СССР and doesn't have any fear/brainwashing/slander impact.
"Russian roulette" is also just a figment of american lies and slander. No such thing ever existed. I suggest a new name actually based in reality: American vaccine. Hey bro, that's dangerous. That's a game of American vaccine. In a pack of six, there's unlikely to be even one "politician"-grade shot, they're all genuine pfizer.
Posted by: Mike | Jul 29 2023 9:50 utc | 90
The Japanese not only had Unit 731 in northeast China (what was then Manchukuo, under the nominal rule of the Chinese emperor Puyi), they had a similar facility in Nanjing. Possibly called Unit 101 but I may be wrong.
I read somewhere years ago that a third such facility in the Philippines had been established by the Japanese during World War II but since then I haven't seen or heard any more about this lab, so it is possible the available evidence is not enough to prove its past existence.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 29 2023 10:14 utc | 91
As things remain the same. 2013/15 University of North Carolina Gain Of Function Coronavirus between Doctor Baric and Wuhan Scientists. Funded by the Pentagon and transfer to Wuhan after Trump lifted the ban on Gain Of Function research. So, let's call it, what it is, The Trump Virus!
Posted by: Donald W. | Jul 29 2023 10:55 utc | 92
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Posted by: Bart Hansen | Jul 29 2023 12:24 utc | 93
Gee some awkward misdirections released btl - some nerves must have been jingled.
Let’s see - the Japanese research of WW2! Hmm it does seem that they were already at it well before WW2 in China and other parts. This is not a surprise as the Japanese had been long time inveigled into the Great Gamers plans to take the World Island.
Hell, even the British Imperial Cultural Propaganda machinery of Ponsonby, had been churning out the Japanese as ‘much like us’, monarch lovers, martial arlsto , Samurai etc and Madam Butterfly musicals to promote to the wider public. That lasted until the failure of their proxy campaigns and they were turned for the next couple of generations into evil Japs that had tortured our lads in Chengai and were beaten into building the railways and the bridge over the river Kwai in Thailand. The wrath of the thwarted imperial masters. Then they were turned again, firstly through the ‘creators of nice monster Godzilla and fluffy kitty lovers’ and comical ‘masochists’ of tv entertainment and then trough low to high culture of ninjas and crazy spiritual cartoons back to ‘our allies’ .. the wheel turned a complete circle over the century and we the commoners were manipulated and
Couple of final thoughts on that subject of the intentionally catalogue named ‘SARS CoV 19’ and all the various theories wild or otherwise to make it a ‘out-of- China’ infection.
First, Ivermectin was ‘born’ , miraculously, out of research by a Japanese professor - wonder how he spent his war time.
Second one of the wildest theories that I caught during 2020 which came from the persistent rumour mills of actual virologists ‘scientists’ (they were shadowy then and have stayed obscure since, these fellows) was to cover the fact of why they couldn’t specify a ‘patient zero’, or in fact patients zero to a dozen or so; Hoping it would have been obscured , as mentioned by a barfly somewhere above, by the rapid internal spread during the Chinese new year when a couple of billion journeys are undertaken; a prospect that was instantly squashed by that traditional method - quarantine! Gosh didn’t that make our western media hopping mad , ‘how dare they ruin our well laid plan?’ How are we going to deal with the fact that they won’t be able to find patient zero to dozen?
So there was amongst the various theories the following :
It was the fault of the Chinese Super fast trains!
Yup, it was speculated by some scientist, that some Bat hunter had become infected in the bat caves of the south as he collected the delicacy and he had boarded the train with his live goods to take a thousand miles north to the Wuhan wet market the same day, before he displayed any symptoms or had become infectious to these around him, hence there was nobody else on the same super high tech super fast train who became infected during these hours of transit, which apparently allows livestock to be carried in its carriages!
This wonderous gatherer of bats had dismounted in Wuhan centre and ambled into the wet market where the traders welcomed his fresh from the cave alive and kicking bats to sell to their grateful customers … after which at some point people started to get ill and start dying with the novel symptoms… what happened to that Patient Zero , or who the other primary infected by him, was not speculated on by that scientist.
That flimflam got mixed in with , ‘well there was a pangolin involved’ And ‘there was a species jump within the market’ etc. and ‘it’s completely coincidental’ that the conveniently named Wuhan Covid Virus Research lab happened to be nearby to the market as did the Hotel that the US military game’s participants occupied, with an entourage much much bigger than any other participant countries, instead of using the brand new facilities in the Games Village that all other military participants used … and there was some rumour that some of these soldier ‘athletes’ were evacuated because they had become unwell !
I’d guess that would have been about a dozen or so…!
Oh what tangled webs are made once they set out to deceive.
A multipolar world order with genuine laws that can be brought to bear upon the individuals who made such psychopathic designs upon the world and innocents is the only way of finally addressing all these crimes and lies and their cruel inhumanity.
Let it roll on.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 29 2023 12:35 utc | 94
Hubertus Strughold, the father of space medicine for nasa, was a nazi
Posted by: Hank Stumper | Jul 29 2023 12:44 utc | 95
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We now know .. that the Chinese government knew about gain of function research.
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Yes, because the gain of function research which was illegal was going to assist them in the study of deadly pathogens.
But it's a long leap from that fact to then claim that the leak came about from weak security at Wuhan. The US took the material it had funded, infected their military sports team or used them to release the virus.
The leap you tried to make was plotted by the US to blame China's Wuhan Lab for the release of the virus into humanity.
China got caught in the headlights which taught China never ever to trust the US again. The result of that moment of US arrogance, lawlessness and stupidity has cemented the adults in the room, Putin and Xi, together against the US Nazi criminals.
The rest will be history as this information gets to be known around the diplomatic world and the US Nazi criminals lose their nasty empire.
Bye bye. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of aresholes.
Posted by: Giyane | Jul 29 2023 12:52 utc | 96
There are strong indications that Covid-19 was in the wild well before the "release" in China. Three coroners in different Alabama counties had reported a disease whose symptoms and course matched Covid-19 was killing hospice and home healthcare paitents. Three European countries have reported that stored wastewater samples contained the virus from 2019, well before Covid-19 is currently believed to have been in the wild. Three countries on the Northern side of South America have reported that labratory samples stored from corpse during that same 2019 timeframe have the virus.
Alabama was issued three of the initial tests, but could only use them on a symptomatic person with known contact traced to a known infected person, so they were never used. The day that the new test became available, which was widely used, Alabama suddenly had "a massive outbreak" because prople were finally being tested.
Covid 19 was in the wild long before the Wuhan "outbreak." US government has worked to cover that fact up, exerting preasure on other countries to hide it.
The "superspreader" church choir paper was an attempt at obfuscating how it spread to justify the "sudden spread" in the US. It assumed that no members of a church with a choir with 200 members ever had contact with each other outside of choir practice. It even ignored the Sunday Morning, Sunday Evening, and Wednesday night performances. It tied everything to the single person who had had some "known contact" with somebody who had who had some contact, .... The paper even assumed that nobody had touched anybody at that practice because, on the phone calls used for the study a month later, nobody could remember touching anybody else. Of course not, because everybody was regularly touching many other people, like they did at every church event.
The "researchers" declared the snack area to have been a major area of transmission based on the phone interviews; the "researchers" never visited the church or any members.
The only "evidence" that we have of Chinese involvement in creating or the initial spread of Covid-19 is the picture with the Obama gang visiting the lab in Wuhan that they were funding. That gang included Fauchi.
Posted by: barstool | Jul 29 2023 13:20 utc | 97
China got caught in the headlights which taught China never ever to trust the US again. The result of that moment of US arrogance, lawlessness and stupidity has cemented the adults in the room, Putin and Xi, together against the US Nazi criminals.
The rest will be history as this information gets to be known around the diplomatic world and the US Nazi criminals lose their nasty empire.
Bye bye. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of aresholes.
Posted by: Giyane | Jul 29 2023 12:52 utc | 96
Well, it was the stupidity that did it, I think. You notice that the virus did far more political and economic damage to Uncle Sugar ands his friends than anybody they were trying to attack. Kind of like the various other wars of the last 30 years. Aside from the massive grifting opportunities for a few, they have done the country USA no good.
It is one thing to know your enemy is a jerk, and another to know he is a stupid, dangerous jerk. In the latter case you have to start thinking about how to protect yourself.
I think in the end that will be why they have to get rid of the Neocons and War party, to stanch the bleeding here.
And WMD make crappy weapons, all of them. But boy do we love that violent illusion.
Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 29 2023 13:25 utc | 98
The real superpower of the US is its ability to pretend like history never happened. Especially Al the parts of history where the US did bad things. If it admits those things they’re always excused by the fact that they were done with good intentions or necessary because of some amorphous evil. The US is immaculate in its own mind (that’s not uncommon for national mythology but the US takes it to the extreme).
Posted by: Lex | Jul 29 2023 14:30 utc | 100
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Basically, the Washington Post is committing a crime against humanity by aiding and abetting those that committed war crimes. Par for the course in the Western media.
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